Etheria Meetup was a HUGE L

[hard eagle]

spicy

[gleaming hedge]

you cant escape me toasty

[brisk night]

time to transfer to CLS

gotta g

go

[gleaming hedge]

do they even want u

broke ass

[brisk night]

wtf

im not broke

im just lack of resource

🙂

[gleaming hedge]

[brisk night]

its not the sameeeee

[hardy sigil]

paragraph incoming

[gleaming hedge]

oh

[hardy sigil]

😞

[gleaming hedge]

lemme show usomething real quick

[hardy sigil]

gothy just dont send it

I promise you it's not worth it

[hardy sigil]

youve been typing for forever

[coral finch]

All I'm gonna say @hardy sigil is, what was said was not meant to be seen as a attack towards you, not was I denouncing what you were saying. But in a turn of hand you could also see how it felt that way by saying it's all been seen before.

Regardless of different standpoints of the debate/arguement. I do not hold any ill will towards you are see you in a bad light and honestly don't wish to continue a pointless arguement as you have said it to be.

[hardy sigil]

we clearly wont align here so best to let it be

[coral finch]

Maybe give someone a bit of good faith

[hardy sigil]

saying it's all been seen before and directing you to my direct response towards all of that

and then you still come at me

😞

that's why it felt pointless

anyways lets just drop it here

[coral finch]

People have different perspectives C, all I will say

[fallen veldt]

who did yall use for dahlia in ethernet rally

i cant do it without heinrich

wait

wrong thread sry

[brisk night]

[coral finch]

Pfft

[brisk night]

awkward

[gleaming hedge]

uhhh they dont let me redo anisync/ethernet

hey

[coral finch]

God damn it. @fallen veldt

[gleaming hedge]

put that in the feedback

let me redo 1 time fights for fun/to help others??

[hardy sigil]

guys how obtain valearina bigger boobs skin i saw someone with it

how get it

[brisk night]

HUH

[hard eagle]

what the

[brisk night]

[hardy sigil]

rare skin.

how get

[hardy sigil]

wrong thread?

[gleaming hedge]

just keeping this

[coral finch]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[hard eagle]

correct thread

[brisk night]

pin

someone pin

@ mod

actually don't pin cuz then people will flame c for being unprofessional

[coral finch]

That it I'm calling the police.

[brisk night]

[gleaming yoke]

Plz don't let them nerf val after this season 😭

[coral finch]

https://tenor.com/view/catpopo-gif-14363104828101683866

[cold fable]

lol lets not turn into Outerplane or the game really will EOS XD

[hardy sigil]

can u blame a man

[brisk night]

yes

i blame jack

for making me go to pity

[brisk night]

on yeli banner

.>

[gleaming yoke]

Not the hero we deserve

[brisk night]

wat da fuk

[coral finch]

Thicc Latina Animus when?

[brisk night]

LOL i thought this was photo shop

[brisk night]

[open saddle]

nono

[coral finch]

https://tenor.com/view/guard-help-omg-gif-9859748

[brisk night]

why are we arguing about things c didn't say

when we can just be cancelling him for things

he DID say

smh

[cold fable]

isn't that practically DokiDoki tho?

[hard eagle]

kinda

[brisk night]

[coral finch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-think-thinking-hmm-gif-11570469479394618754

Idk

[gleaming hedge]

thicc? are you sure

[hard eagle]

doki is a baddie that's for sure

[cold fable]

i mean even Tia is thicc

[hardy sigil]

thank u for keeping it real

[gleaming hedge]

i cant get a single 3 spd eff% any subs

im gonna lose it

[hardy sigil]

I would break his other arm too

[gleaming hedge]

woahh violence

report c

[open saddle]

xd

[cold fable]

Respect

[brisk night]

wait

u can't ban people?

[gleaming hedge]

oh no wonder

[brisk night]

no wonder im still here

[gleaming hedge]

i take back what i said

[cold fable]

i'm sure he can, but people would probably complain about "abuse of power" or some shit like that

[gleaming hedge]

hes just a nikki mod with a muzzle on

[coral finch]

Ya know what....

#GiveCPower

Give him power to lock and close threads! I support it.

[brisk night]

[open saddle]

@hardy sigil is fame

[brisk night]

yunno

[coral finch]

You know you made it when you are in a Stix video

[brisk night]

i just wanted to mention

i think its funny

how everyone typing here rn

[open saddle]

[brisk night]

is fucking part of LC

[valid terrace]

oh damn, that guy is covering etheria?

[brisk night]

why are we here

[hardy sigil]

this

i can do as I please

[brisk night]

and not in LC discord

[gleaming hedge]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[coral finch]

Lmfao

[open saddle]

he did and flamed it as a shit game cause of the many ways this game is wrong atm

[brisk night]

nothing new

[open saddle]

yeah

[coral finch]

@brisk night you don't gotta call us out like this

[valid terrace]

Interesting

[hard eagle]

Oh hell nah stix

That guy literally doom posts everything

[brisk night]

[hardy sigil]

i shouldnt have talked at all that week and just let people hate me for not interacting bc it would have been easier than hating me over stuff taken out of context

[coral finch]

Stix is worse then all of us combined

[hard eagle]

true

[open saddle]

i love u

[coral finch]

You're honor?!

[open saddle]

u the best funny etc but sad u get flamed for things u cant change

[hardy sigil]

at the time it was also pre-inferno hp buffs that didn't really ruin the experience for the average person entirely

[open saddle]

[hardy sigil]

💀

so it aged even worse

[cold fable]

since i can't type it i'll copy, pasta it

[open saddle]

true words

[brisk night]

for some reason

you can't say the b word in this discord

[open saddle]

[brisk night]

but you can fuck fuckity fuck as much as u want

[open saddle]

@hardy sigil

[coral finch]

Brother, he made 2-3 videos shitting on Silver and Blood.... then takes a sponsor from them.....

[hardy sigil]

at least my colleagues in china found that one funny

[open saddle]

[hardy sigil]

put me on blast in the gc for it but they all laughed

big bosses saw it too

💀

[open saddle]

💀

[brisk night]

LOL

[hardy sigil]

I was trying to figure out if they were upset with me for it or not bc

they sent it in the chat during a big meeting

[hardy sigil]

i was like oh shit im losing my job

[brisk night]

[hardy sigil]

😭

but then found out they were laughing at it

[open saddle]

bullying on the job place noice

[coral finch]

I feel like everytime we see a screenshot of C it needs an audio track of Rolf from Ed, Edd, and Eddy in the back.

[gleaming hedge]

any cc that started from a hoyo game is trash

[cold fable]

i support this 10/10

[gleaming hedge]

the only content they bring is yapping

[open saddle]

11/10

[coral finch]

So Braxophone

[gleaming hedge]

no builds no stats no strats

[hardy sigil]

😭

[gleaming hedge]

nothing

dont even know the mechanics just skimming discords and repeating

[hardy sigil]

who's that one guy zweebo zai or whatever he's goated

[cold fable]

bring back 1990's era bullying. that'll put some hair on your chest lol

you ever been hit with a Nokia Brick....that shit hurts.

[gleaming hedge]

if ur a cc and u dont show me actual units with builds and talk about how this team even clears the fight what CONTENT are you bringing

[hardy sigil]

getting hair on my chest is a double edged sword bro

[open saddle]

@hardy sigil make it clap

[hardy sigil]

im prone to dht driven hair loss like crazy so I start losing my hair once i start working out for a while

😭

[coral finch]

Guys you don't understand, C is litterally sitting like this guy right now.

[hardy sigil]

need more soy so i dont go bald

[gleaming hedge]

nah

[hardy sigil]

I AM

[gleaming hedge]

hes probably a hunched over shrimp in his chair

[hardy sigil]

MY LEG IS CROSSED OVER

[cold fable]

doesn't Lelouch die though?

o.O

[open saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

[hardy sigil]

i dont even understand how that is funny

[coral finch]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-5765281

[open saddle]

[hardy sigil]

i was just talking for real

[open saddle]

like this?

[hardy sigil]

if i was bald people would hate me even more

[dusty maple]

||He gets better ||

[cold fable]

"Memoirs of C: Why I hate gacha gamers", just throw all the screen shots in a book and sell it

[open saddle]

dont edge @trim lotus @hardy sigil

[coral finch]

Yall Don't understand, C bout to be like this when they give him power to shut down threads

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/383808046394245120/1362545935829307554/GMP_U2F2ZUdIMDE.gif

[hardy sigil]

i have all power

[open saddle]

break @tender peak arms

[gleaming hedge]

no you dont you cant even ban nobody

[hardy sigil]

I just cant silence anybody without hate threads spawning or people harrassing my personal life

so

I rarely lock threads

[open saddle]

like u promised

[coral finch]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-at-you-gif-15677477317679001616

[hardy sigil]

redacteddd

as well

[open saddle]

@hardy sigil make inferno great again

[hardy sigil]

😭

[coral finch]

C said, "have all the power"
Yet the safety has a lock on it from Jack

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-5765281

[hardy sigil]

they need to give me firearms that work through discord

:herat

❤️

:smil

😄

[coral finch]

Please

[open saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/846897875790462996/1387388652174180352/haha-no.gif

[coral finch]

Be my 13th reason

[hardy sigil]

I encourage everyone to live no matter what struggle they may be going through

[open saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/london-crab-gif-18733951

[hardy sigil]

they will never know what opportunity exists in the future otherwise..

[coral finch]

What about all the people still struggling with no lily?

[hardy sigil]

well...

erm

https://tenor.com/view/oye-dou-dou-yuri-cat-meme-cute-cat-gif-9629613601312012905

no comment

if I said my real comment

[open saddle]

like me have every shit unit except of lily and tsukiyo mi

[hardy sigil]

it wouldnt go well.

lol

[coral finch]

Say it

[hardy sigil]

tsukiyo so baddie

#needthat

[open saddle]

bro lit u cant play the game without them

i paid close to 2k

in this shit

and dont egt them yet

[hardy sigil]

she was my first ssr

😍

[open saddle]

[coral finch]

Hold on lemme go revive the

"We need a Lily Banner" Thread

[hardy sigil]

i knew she had potential so i bricked my account early by investing in her with lattices before i could even use her

but she was a baddie so i didnt care

[cold fable]

so how many people we thinking gonna stick around after this month

[open saddle]

@hardy sigil i liked u know i like u a bit less

[gleaming hedge]

do it

we wont snitch

[hardy sigil]

yes you woulud

awesome

@open saddle

[coral finch]

Nah it would just end up in another stix video

[open saddle]

my 4k folder is rdy dew it

[cold fable]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[hardy sigil]

tagged some random oops

[open saddle]

[gleaming hedge]

that blonde hair got a lot of people down bad huh

[open saddle]

im behave trust me

source trust me bro

[gleaming hedge]

wait

[hardy sigil]

tsukiyo mi blonde hair

😍 t

[gleaming hedge]

c can i can your honest opinion on something

[hardy sigil]

can i can your honest

[coral finch]

https://tenor.com/view/my-source-is-when-the-source-is-reliable-reliable-senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-gif-27116155

[gleaming hedge]

like 80% of our "skins" are UGLY

[hardy sigil]

yeah they suck

[gleaming hedge]

lian should have had red hair skin

[hardy sigil]

I told the team if u want to make money just make good skins

theyre trash

[gleaming hedge]

they lazy

[stuck eagle]

how is it going c

😄

[gleaming hedge]

its ai art fr isnt it

[hardy sigil]

hi brother im doing well

[coral finch]

All they did was change the colors

[open saddle]

i found u i guess not my words

[hardy sigil]

hope same for you

[gleaming hedge]

its like the pokemon shinies

ctrl+whatever for that inverseish effect

[stuck eagle]

yeah grinding hard Scarlet has me on ropes

:/

[hardy sigil]

the skins are actually lazy trash afterthought when they coulda been a huge highlight and money sink

im not afraid to say that lol

already told the devs that

[gleaming hedge]

just wait till we get a skin where nothing changes but the hair is 2 shades lighter

[stuck eagle]

its so true

[open saddle]

its just lazy ai recolor

[stuck eagle]

so why would you be afraid lol

[cold fable]

agreed! like it's pretty much a chroma. If i wanted chromas i'd launch League lol

[hardy sigil]

ok not everything is ai guys

[lethal swift]

and what was their answer ?

[hardy sigil]

gotta stop throwing those words around

[open saddle]

sry the devs are ai

[gleaming hedge]

that new healers art really is sus though

[hardy sigil]

well i passed it on to the PM team to pass it on to the devs so idk what the devs said

💀

[gleaming hedge]

i dont think all the art is but i def think they are using it as a bandaid for some parts

[hardy sigil]

just because sthe devs are made out of ai doesnt mean their work is ai.

they are ai robots but the work is real.

the strokes.. the paint..

[stuck eagle]

i mean cant your dev team see some figures from other games, how much skins make money

[hardy sigil]

the life..

[stuck eagle]

😄

[hardy sigil]

it's real.

[valid terrace]

So you're generally not in direct contact with jack?

[gleaming hedge]

[open saddle]

real used ai work @hardy sigil

[coral finch]

You need art like this

[hardy sigil]

jack is the director not the dev team

I talk to jack a lot

[gleaming hedge]

im a little tempted to go try silver n blood

[coral finch]

Good game

[gleaming hedge]

i just want hot guys that are actually not trash in meta

[hardy sigil]

if jack considers an idea or feedback he bring to dev team

[gleaming hedge]

how is it over there

[hardy sigil]

etc

[stuck eagle]

go harass jack more about skins

we can do it

[hardy sigil]

good idea

[stuck eagle]

team effort

[valid terrace]

Ohh ok, that's very different from what I thought 😮

[open saddle]

"we dont nerf inferno" good idea

[gleaming hedge]

can you poke them about some rerun banners

[hardy sigil]

ill bring it up again directly to him this time

[lethal swift]

so it all depends on ensuring Jack actually spoke about the feedback to the team

[acoustic thistle]

Before that, they need to nerf inferno

[hardy sigil]

skins > inferno changes or any qol

🙏

is what i will say

[acoustic thistle]

no

Lol

[open saddle]

i saw the hidden part from seanb i dont think he nerf he want to lose more palyers

[hardy sigil]

im sure jack cares more than the devs themselves bc it's not like he has to do the hours of work to implement everything

🤣

dont twist that statement to be deeper than it is

thank you

[gleaming hedge]

ok doomposting and shitposting aside

[cold fable]

@hardy sigil lol tell Jack i need to match my League skin collection and I won't take no for an answer 😅

[stuck eagle]

doesnt jack just sit on chair and fumble is thumbs

[hardy sigil]

just joking around

[stuck eagle]

like most ceos

😄

[open saddle]

it was like a big dck slap in the face sry my friend

[hardy sigil]

not at all

[gleaming hedge]

i really have seen a lot of players leave or are only hanging around as hopeful holdouts

myself included

[hardy sigil]

he is under so much stress LOL

[coral finch]

Hot guy ✅️
Used in the meta ✅️
Easy ti obtain ✅️

[tender peak]

He can't cuz I'll take his knees first

[gleaming hedge]

very in deep players too

[hardy sigil]

bro wakes up at 5am and deals with pain

[lethal swift]

https://tenor.com/view/live-live-live-die-vive-vive-vive-muere-malcolminthemiddle-malcolm-dewey-gif-19535220

[stuck eagle]

it was joke 😄

[lethal swift]

jack right now

[open saddle]

yeah dew it pls

[hardy sigil]

holy shit, you need more.

[tender peak]

Tell Jack to stop making recolors

[cold fable]

"Gotta catch 'em all"

[gleaming hedge]

ssssssssshiiiiii when did it launch

[coral finch]

The 26th

[hardy sigil]

deadass

[gleaming hedge]

did i miss out any early rewards already

[tender peak]

[coral finch]

Nope still going on now

[hardy sigil]

gonna make jack design the skins himself whether he likes it or not.

[valid terrace]

Kinda confused what Jack being a director means, I thought that meant he was like lead game designer?

[hardy sigil]

heh.

[acoustic thistle]

We do too when we fail inferno runs because of rng

[hardy sigil]

he is @valid terrace

this game is all his project basically

[lethal swift]

yep you're bricked, if you did not pull the Lily char of that game on day 1 don't bother

[vivid grove]

etheria skins

[valid terrace]

Ohhhh I see, thats awesome then

[hardy sigil]

but obv many teams are involved, shareholders, etc

[stuck eagle]

ahaahahha

[hardy sigil]

so he's under stress between all parties and players and game quality n everything

[stuck eagle]

we need this 👍

[tender peak]

We all are pawns to the great Jack overlord, he is god and we are but his mere servants

[hardy sigil]

it's a battle and hell of a stressful position to be in

[gleaming hedge]

etheria skins

[open saddle]

and by the sake of god tell hiom why the fck we dont have a rerun banner paralel to this banner atm????

[stuck eagle]

yeah you gotta please everyone

[hardy sigil]

people would then complain about too many banners

[gleaming hedge]

god do i have time to try this

[stuck eagle]

which is effing hard

[tender peak]

It's impossible

Not just hard

[acoustic thistle]

Just give a lily banner so that I can clear pve

[coral finch]

https://tenor.com/view/falinks-pokemon-wild-encounter-gif-15656825

[cold fable]

i'm gonna take a wild guess and say Tencent is one of those shareholder huh?

[open saddle]

this a joke right? to many banners and tmr comes 2 at the same time bro u shitting on me?

[coral finch]

It is easy to main tain

[hardy sigil]

@cold fable tencent owns everything in china let's be real so probably involved somehow

[cold fable]

i knew it XD

[tender peak]

Every move that's beneficial to the company, the players are against and every move that's too beneficial to the players the shareholders are against cuz profit margins

[vivid grove]

its ok game will get better or eos depending of chinese market :((

[cold fable]

i can't stand tencent

[gleaming hedge]

this is a game where most units are obtainable but at rng, i think even just knowing the kloss or lily that you dont have will eventually be guaranteeable will reduce a lot of anxiety and fomo

[stuck eagle]

you dont do anything on china without tencent

[coral finch]

So tencent is the chinese version of Disney.

[lethal swift]

they probably have 10 more ready to be shipped

[stuck eagle]

they own goverment too probs

[gleaming hedge]

this is a game where most players will own well more than half of units easily

[valid terrace]

I can only imagine, I'm sure he's the one under the most stress. It's funny seeing a lot of peoples opinions of the game's difficulty acting as if he's an evil guy destroying the game... when I'm sure he's worrying the entire day trying to parse player feedback to make the best product he can

[gleaming hedge]

we are already getting double new banners at a time

[open saddle]

yeah thats a joke answer ngl from him

[hardy sigil]

I believe this is being considered (don't quote me 100), but prob wont be as soon as the peopel asking want it

i can follow up with jack ab it

[tender peak]

I like Jack, Jack is a homie, Jack is a bro, Jack is for the boys

[open saddle]

@hardy sigil

[hardy sigil]

see if they can do it sooner

[gleaming hedge]

i had a player leave the competitive guild im in today and i asked him why

[coral finch]

We invite Jack to the family cookout

[hardy sigil]

what

[gleaming hedge]

not having lily is literally the top reason

[hardy sigil]

jesus

[cold fable]

Jack secretly Unc?

[stuck eagle]

i mean there is been lot of clears without lily

alrdy

[gleaming hedge]

i also was thinking about dipping before i rolled lily

it is just so inefficient

and i play this kind of game bc i love minmaxing

[hardy sigil]

this is true

[gleaming hedge]

i spent a good amount of money too

[open saddle]

read it again cause i guess "to many banners" isnt a good answer when we get again 2 new banners at the same time

[cold fable]

i disagree. I didn't have Lily for 24 days and i was able to clear Inferno content without her.

[gleaming hedge]

and i just didnt have lily so im paying for negative progress is what it felt like

[stuck eagle]

you had same stuff in e7 if you didnt have arby

[tender peak]

Lily is only needed when ur gear isn't good enough on its own, once you breach that point you don't have to use her. It just takes longer

[gleaming hedge]

pre or post nerf?

[stuck eagle]

or sw if you didnt have verad

you struggled

[gleaming hedge]

i was heading into inferno with recent buffs and 0 nerfs hit yet

[hardy sigil]

@open saddle and yes people are complaining about that

[cold fable]

pre

[gleaming hedge]

also

please note my point

is not that its impossible without lily

[open saddle]

yeah dont do rerun but put 2 new ones out nice logic from the devs ngl they stupid

[hardy sigil]

so having even more parallel banners 🤣

[gleaming hedge]

its just incredibly inefficient in a game that is incredibly strict and punishing on resource allocation

you are not rewarded for finding the solution to the lack of lily

you are punished for it in resources that you barely have already

[stuck eagle]

you are

since you are clearing same content

[open saddle]

it isnt but me as example i can clear all ifnernos with notr good winrates except of terror and sharon

[stuck eagle]

than rest of ppl

[cold fable]

i agree. same can be said about not having Kloss honestly

[gleaming hedge]

no you spend so much more to do it

it feels like shit

[stuck eagle]

i mean lets say you level up tsuki bcs of it

she is insane unit

[valid terrace]

Honestly, SW was MUCH worse than Etheria in all the points people complain about

[hardy sigil]

reliance on lily seems like it has sweet spots that really progress u and then other units are just better the rest of the time

[stuck eagle]

even if you get lily later

[gleaming hedge]

it really isnt the same

[acoustic thistle]

Obviously the company objective is for the game to be successful, however there are definitely some things that need quick response. Tbf the complaints about inferno, even if there were a couple of rounds of nerfs, should have been included into the meetup and talked about a bit, so that people that complain about it, know that it's been looked at. Not everyone is in this discord

[open saddle]

example i dont have 2 ssrs not rest i have and i suffer like shit

[tender peak]

Honestly, tsuki is bomb, she pushes tm way more than lily does

[valid terrace]

Lily is literally tsukiyomi for f2p players

[stuck eagle]

yeah but ppl dont wanna compare games 😄

[gleaming hedge]

again

im not saying without lily its impossible

but the issue is not having her puts you behind

in a game thats already had so many walls

[hardy sigil]

my pin response addresses this

[gleaming hedge]

people just leave

[hardy sigil]

its just a difficult situation

[open saddle]

yeah cause no lily u need to build more units

[gleaming hedge]

with what resources

[open saddle]

exactly the devs atm jsut clowns in my eyes

[gleaming hedge]

being 2 weeks behind in a month old game isnt a "sure whatever" moment

[stuck eagle]

and this is pure gacha mechanic

[cold fable]

facts. like as popular as E7 is, there are still a ton of units that are practically dead. like wtf am i supposed to do with the other 300 units i don't use XD

[stuck eagle]

nothing else

[acoustic thistle]

Yeah I know. But as i said, not everyone is in here reading this conversation

[gleaming hedge]

ur better off literally rolling a new account with lily lmao

so

[tender peak]

I think seanb also made a video covering some of the stuff that wasn't in the final video

[gleaming hedge]

the guy gave me more feedback than i put here

[hardy sigil]

yeah manko I wish I could have slapped it on the video

[open saddle]

yeah no before i do this i refund all my money and move on xd

[gleaming hedge]

but he didnt reroll, he just buys small packs and plays what he gets

and that feels like how devs intended you to play

but he is instead screwed over by exactly that

[lethal swift]

honestly the issue is that this difficulty wasn't intented from the start, but when they saw that inferno was consistantly cleared from the beta they just buffed all bosses without re adjusting lvl requirement, so on release, player thought they could tackle inferno at lvl 50

[hardy sigil]

im not even gonna lie i havent even opened the video or hypertalk bc i dont want to see the comment sections

[tender peak]

Lmaooo

[gleaming hedge]

its not pretty

[open saddle]

i ask why

[gleaming hedge]

u already seen it all on here anyway

[cold fable]

agreed. if inferno was locked until about level 60 or 70, most of these problems would buff itself out

[open saddle]

u know it yourselfe

[hardy sigil]

I just read everyone's summaries so I knew what they put in it and cut out

[gleaming hedge]

but its too late for that

[tender peak]

For the record I thought some of the solutions proposed were really good

[gleaming hedge]

whats been done is done they shouldnt be so reluctant to fix it

[open saddle]

yeah and the response of the devs is like yeah no xd

[gleaming hedge]

it shouldnt taken over a month to adjust it

[hardy sigil]

there was a lot of good talk that was cut out but as mentioned my pinned response is why it cant be included and just sucks all around

[stuck eagle]

i mean even if its unlocked at 50 do you have to clear it at 50

[tender peak]

No but ppl want to and that's the problem, they get mad when they cant

[acoustic thistle]

Obviously it's not your role, i get that. I do get some peace of mind knowing it's being looked at/evaluated. I just would like the general population of the game to know it so that they might give the week more time before possibly quitting for good.

[gleaming hedge]

I do get that they cant give us details until thigns are concrete cuz that can go south real fast if they need to correct anythign that was said

[open saddle]

counter question why u need to "overtune" it from beta to live?

[gleaming hedge]

however what actually was said is pretty concerning in tone

[stuck eagle]

pretty sure not a single person cleared at level 40 ethernet

[stuck eagle]

that i dont know, but even on beta not that many cleared infernos

[lethal swift]

there should've been 2 video, 1 full version and one summary, or atleast a live of that talk, so people that are interested can listen to the full talk

[stuck eagle]

😄

[open saddle]

exactly

[gleaming hedge]

in the same breath that they said they heard us that we think the economy is terrible, they also seemed to double down that its supposed to be this way

they will give us some bandaids just wait for it

[open saddle]

jsut a dumb thing to milk more money

[gleaming hedge]

but all month we have been just waiting for it

[hardy sigil]

again read my pinned and understand why the full talk cant be released

[cold fable]

the only reason that makes sense to me on why people are trying to rush it is for PvP content. Inferno shells already grant extra stats alone. On top of United Front requiring multiple geared units, definitely makes a difference.

[gleaming hedge]

meanwhile we just keep losing people

[tender peak]

It's more the difference between beta, in beta you kind of could or at least that's the narrative that was pushed, and ppl got upset when that changed

[acoustic thistle]

Obviously

[cold fable]

especially if some guilds hold stupid requirements for their members

[hardy sigil]

yeah guild requirements are tough to keep up with if you cant nolife the game

[stuck eagle]

true, but i go back to the first point of beta everything is subject to change 😄

[hardy sigil]

a lot of people in the community create artificial pressure that scares everyone as well

like sure if u miss a few days ur gonna be pretty far behind on progression but this is a game to play for years

itsn ot the end of the world

it's a rough situation

[stuck eagle]

yeah

you missing few days is nothing on average player

ofc if you wanna be top of leaderboard its different

[gleaming hedge]

i dont think its artificial pressure when we keep losing players

high level ones too

[stuck eagle]

but its the same on all high level sports

[hardy sigil]

there's a narrative that if u miss a few days or didnt take advantage of the 2x event ur just bricked forever and will never be able to enjoy the game

[orchid drift]

this loops all the way back to the fact that these changes were excluded from the patchnotes, there’s no point revisiting this convo

[cold fable]

exactly. it's the pressure to catch up and be on par with everyone. like i gripe with everyone on the economy situation. but then you have people who are +15 all of their gear for no reason. kinda adding to the problem lol

[hardy sigil]

there's real pressure but also artificial pressure

it's a wide web of issues

[gritty maple]

.kek. has been warned

Reason: Spam

[hardy sigil]

lol

[tender peak]

The fomo is huge I agree

[gleaming hedge]

ask something about if 2x events can be not always weekend

[hardy sigil]

FR

[tender peak]

I've fallen victim to it myself, hell I almost quit because of how behind I felt

[hardy sigil]

weekends are for going outside and being with friends

😭

but unfortunately playercounts are probably highest then

bc not everyone goes outside

[gleaming hedge]

i literally couldnt stand this in e7 they always run unequp and buff on weekend, exactly when im NOT FREE TO FARMMM

[hardy sigil]

yeah I bet

[lethal swift]

nobody left the game because of that tho, the main reason is the lack of feeling to make progress in the game (layer of rng through shell/modules) and being stuck at specific stages for days/weeks

[hardy sigil]

it's a bad feeling

[stuck eagle]

yes outside is scary

😄

[cold fable]

ok as the old guy i'll be the first to ask, wtf is "fomo"

[tender peak]

Fear of missing out

[cold fable]

thank you lol

[tender peak]

When you feel like if you can't do something you're bricked

[hardy sigil]

i mean its a general fomo not just that situation but combination of all of it that creates artificial pressure to make people leave

but yes the feeling of progression is the real pressure and frustration

that isnt artificial

if ur getting stuck a lot

but the ppl who say if u get stuck for a day or two or miss a few days of playing its not even worth playing the game anymore bc ur so far behind

or getting kicked from ur guild etc

it's artificial pressure that all creates a big web of issues

[gleaming hedge]

maybe something like a rotating different mode on 2x per day of week and then all open on weekend? also gives ppl less stress about maximizing their stamina usage over only 2 days. bc the amount of stamina everyone has is limited bc we are capped on refreshes, this reduces the pressure and fomo over not having a speed clear team

and makes slow stable 3min teams less shitty

[stuck eagle]

this actually wouldnt be that bad

[gleaming hedge]

i dont really see why it has to be funneled into 2 days only when we dont have infinite stamina to use anyway

[hardy sigil]

that's a good idea

[gleaming hedge]

ah yes im remembering 100k skystones in a weekend on e7 to get...nothing over 17 speed

good times NOTTTTTT

[hardy sigil]

idk though i just feel like spending and player engagement will always be highest on weekends

[tender peak]

That'd also create a defined guideline of what you should be farming each day, helps people who feel like they don't know what to farm

[hardy sigil]

so they want to prioritize those days

[cold fable]

at least you had resources tho

[gleaming hedge]

theres nothing to spend on

[valid terrace]

That increases the amount of refreshes people can do though, so it's a buff (=bad)

[gleaming hedge]

ive put ~800 in for reference

[lethal swift]

agreed, give 6 items of 8 hours of x2 that can be activated anytime a player wants to hard farm instead of 1 fixed days during the week end

[hardy sigil]

we talked about that in the call

[gleaming hedge]

none of these packs even feel worth it its all junk

[hardy sigil]

making 2x event a consumable

[gleaming hedge]

also...i only bought like 1 skin or something

[hardy sigil]

that lasts for 8 hrs or something

[gleaming hedge]

theyre all SO UGLY WTF

[hardy sigil]

as long as ur active and obtain it that weekend

u can use it sometime during the week when ur available

[tender peak]

That'd be awesome

[gleaming hedge]

i buy every skin in a game im comitted to whether i use the unit or not normally

[stuck eagle]

that would be nice

[hardy sigil]

but yeah we cant put that convo in the video because if we dont do it

ppl will be mad

and say we ignored it and didnt care

uphill battle

[gleaming hedge]

okay wait but this makes the issue of clear teams even worse

[stuck eagle]

yes

thats what some people dont get

[gleaming hedge]

your f2p 5 minute team is trash

[stuck eagle]

honestly

[gleaming hedge]

you need that exact 1 shot 1 minute or under comp or you get fk

[lethal swift]

tho if you talked about it and end up not doing it, you don't really care xD

[tender peak]

Or instead of a 2x event even you could make it a separate event with some of the rewards being 2x drops to use whenever, makes it more fun than just oop double drops today

[hardy sigil]

a 2 min clear vs 5 min auto clear on 2x event isnt gonna make or break ur experience with a game ur gonna be playing for months or years though

[stuck eagle]

i mean what if they hit problems with it

[hardy sigil]

eventually u will catch up and have that 2 min clear

[stuck eagle]

or get no from somewhere else

it might not be bcs they dont care

[gleaming hedge]

that is literally twice less efficient

its also putting ppl who are behind

further behind

[hardy sigil]

not true, just means different solutions may be considered or there are reasons for it being that way that help more people

[gleaming hedge]

not giving a window for them to catch up

[silver phoenix]

i mean you can get higher and more consistent spending/engagement through more thought out event calenders and content releases. People will hate this comparison but look at hoyo, the cadence they have with banners/events keep engagement and spending extremely high

[gleaming hedge]

bc they cant take advantage of anything without pressure that theyre behind looming on them

[lethal swift]

yeah my bad, i meant not doing it completely, there can be more workarround than a single consumable solution i agree

[stuck eagle]

also chris I wish we get new banner info earlier 😄

[gleaming hedge]

i think that will just increase pressure by further rubbing it in their face

[brisk night]

btw

[hardy sigil]

yea I could say this all day but unfortunately i dont have that impact to suggest this

[stuck eagle]

im hoping atleast week or 2 before

😄

[brisk night]

max s1 or s2 first on massiah?

[gleaming hedge]

that not only do they not have the premium units, their subsittute team is just that much worse

doubling down on the feelsbad

i dont understand why the devs want everything to feel so anxiety inducing

[hardy sigil]

too many funnels and teams to deal with i dont think telling them to restructure their entire content release schedule and banner schedule to match hoyo cadence will go very far for me xd

[tender peak]

If it's a consumable you can also just make it a consumable that eats stamina and refunds twice the amount back as a special currency that can be used to run those modes

[gleaming hedge]

is it really that bad to give players some breathing room? the walls are closing in on every direction in every content

[hardy sigil]

theyre trying to kek

[silver phoenix]

i mean i didnt say to match it but i mean to actually look and see how clear it is for players to follow

[brisk night]

OK i do i have a question for c that i think would help bring some clarity

[hardy sigil]

just gotta find the right solutions

[brisk night]

whoever made the comment about diting nerfs, was that part of a script or personal wording choice?

[hardy sigil]

can u give me a few examples that I can relay to team as reference

[brisk night]

The "diting will not be nerfed this season"

Comment

[gleaming hedge]

that tilted me

[brisk night]

Cuz that shit bugs alot of people, myself included

[gleaming hedge]

BADLY

[brisk night]

like GENUINELY

[stuck eagle]

that was peak

[brisk night]

I'm so happy about everything else

[hardy sigil]

well it doesnt mean diting will be nerfed at all, but it's also to cover us if there's something game breaking about him that has to be nerfed that we discover later on

[brisk night]

but that one thing

[gleaming hedge]

i think that had everyone collectively spiralling who tf even thinks diting is op outside of idiots who dont play

[lethal swift]

and 2 days later they announced the end of the season on the 27th of july xD

[brisk night]

holy fuck it drives me nuts

[gleaming hedge]

its like when ppl took that meme movie seriously and sony thought we actually wanted to watch it

[brisk night]

thats fair but like, i feel like maybe some awareness about the sensitivity of this kind of topic is maybe needed hahaha

[gleaming hedge]

the one thing holding ur pve together might get nerf get fk guys

[hardy sigil]

diting seems to be in a very healthy state so they shouldnt be changing him at all

[gleaming hedge]

pull yeli now or be bricked

[brisk night]

glad to hear that

But also i hope to hear that in the actual video

next time

[hardy sigil]

eh thats probably on me too though I was free balling the script at some points

[lethal swift]

you spelled Celince wrong

[hardy sigil]

I could have clarified

[brisk night]

instead of a dooming looming comment that almost sounds like FORESHADOWING of planned diting nerfs in the future

XD

[gleaming hedge]

if diting did get nerf literally almost all my inferno farms go from all clear to like only 4 things left farmable maybe

[hardy sigil]

I think in one of the takes I said "he wont be nerfed anytime soon"

[gleaming hedge]

w t f

[brisk night]

this exactly yea

[gleaming hedge]

you guys said "this season"

[brisk night]

i think the reason i bring this up

[gleaming hedge]

actually before even any of that was said

[tender peak]

Like imagine you use an item and it consumes 100 stamina and in return you get 100 coins or whatever that can be used to run those 3 modes instead that gives you double drop, removes the fomo from 2x by giving a currency you can stack and use whenever across all three modes

[brisk night]

is just to bring awareness to the current state of the community

[gleaming hedge]

as soon as "some of u think diting is op and he is" was brought up

[brisk night]

we, myself included, are VERY sensitivty to ANY communication from you guys

[gleaming hedge]

i was like oh they are so out of touch they have no idea whats going on

[brisk night]

i myself FIGURED u just meant that no changes are planned for him

[gleaming hedge]

out of everything that was cut how did that nothing matter make it into the vid

[hardy sigil]

yeah I can see how it was scary

[brisk night]

but at the same time i totally see the perspective of hearing "we aren't nerfing him right now, but plan to in the future"

in a way

[hardy sigil]

that's likely on me for using that take

[brisk night]

And unlike alot of brainrot delusions people have in this feedback channel

[hardy sigil]

instead of the one where I said he wont be nerfed anytime soon

[gleaming hedge]

ok

but at least now we can safely say he'll be fine

[brisk night]

i kinda understand that perspective for once

ye

[gleaming hedge]

and it was just a oops words moment

[brisk night]

^

[acoustic thistle]

Now look at diting be nerfed

[stuck eagle]

being on camera always has fumbles

[acoustic thistle]

🤣

[stuck eagle]

😄

[hardy sigil]

but again this is still important

[brisk night]

yea

[open saddle]

we will see how its age in some weeks i safe this

[brisk night]

this is fantastic

and how i believe things should be communicated

its defintely WORDY

[hardy sigil]

if he's still in a healthy state he wont be nerfed

[gleaming hedge]

im already half out the door if diting is nerf ill really be out

[brisk night]

but it doesn't leave room for people to nitpick your words

or make up random bullshit

[gleaming hedge]

messing with pve further when ppl can barely pvp

[brisk night]

yea exactly

[gleaming hedge]

you think you got the farm setup and you can move on? NO

go pull yeli

[brisk night]

its not a big deal

but really it is a big deal specifically because its diting

[hardy sigil]

yeah i think devs are aware enough to not nerf him so we're good 😭

that be insta kill game

[brisk night]

yea exactly

thats the thing that i think can be most improved

[gleaming hedge]

the shitshow would be great popcorn material

[brisk night]

you guys have done great with communication

with one fault

[gleaming hedge]

2025 is the year of seeing how bad gacha games can shoot themselves in the foot

some epic fumbles this year

[brisk night]

which is that you guys haven't communicated how deeply you understadn the community

like

idk how u would tbf

people will never be happy

[open saddle]

top 5 atm etheria

[stuck eagle]

i love how lot of games fumbled this year

[hardy sigil]

but look we want to release many SRS and R units in the future that all provide different spots in meta and use.
We dont want 400 units like E7 who all do nothing or contribute to nothing

diting already has his place

[gleaming hedge]

so yeah the dev talk honestly did make me feel like the devs just...dont agree with us that what we think are problems, are problems

[brisk night]

i just think you guys have been so much more receptive than you are letting onto

[hardy sigil]

theres no reason to nerf him

plenty of ways to implement new srs that do different things

[brisk night]

i didn't feel this way, but i totally do understand that perspective

[gleaming hedge]

ah yes e7 and their famous sell a problem then sell the solution

one of my last straws in e7 was the continous creep of artifacts that needed mlb to get 100% proc

often on limited

[lethal swift]

are you saying that i should still buy R skill up lattice even when i end up having all of them maxed up ? 👀

[hardy sigil]

cant criticize e7 for anything bc ppl will rage and say I have no right to bc their game is better

[brisk night]

And i just hope they move in a direciton in terms of communicating that acknowledges the community's EXACT concerns, gives a glimpse as to what plans they have to change things, but also add the additional step of recognizing what the community actually WANTS, and maybe why that isn't possible to promise at that point of time

[hardy sigil]

I think there will be a lot more SR units in the future compared to R units

so I wouldn't rely on that statement and stack up

[stuck eagle]

also C can you hint marketing there is collab with wuwas camellya and redmagic 10 pro phone, do this with like messiah,yeli,rosa, xiada and you print money 😄

[quartz locust]

Hi there, I have seen almost as many people who are upset as they did not target summon Kloss (due to bad advice from beta CCs). Is there any plans for a Kloss banner or a target summon reset/regret? Thanks !

[gleaming hedge]

haaaaaaahahaha u guys fell for ratmocha scam

[hardy sigil]

not sure henry ill talk about it with them

but yeah this is a huge issue with early game too

[gleaming hedge]

im sorry i shouldnt rub your faces in it its not helpful

[open saddle]

make lds included

[hardy sigil]

not being patient for targeted summon wasn't very smart 😭

i waited a while for a reason

[lethal swift]

ratmocha got me to doki doki inferno sub 50sec, idk what you're talking about

[quartz locust]

Thank you so much! Because it was kind of foolish to let newbies like me make a decision on day 1/2 that would affect the rest of my account's lifetime

[gleaming hedge]

does that use kloss

[hardy sigil]

is the game foolish or are the newbies foolish...

[lethal swift]

it does

[hardy sigil]

that is the question...

[gleaming hedge]

so yes ratmocha scam

kloss > mocha

[stuck eagle]

there was probs on newbies guide that hold your selector summon until atleast day 14 😄

[hardy sigil]

most newbie guides and players recommended to hold it for a while

yes

[gleaming hedge]

oh wait while you are here i got another like

[quartz locust]

LOL probably both, because you dont hand a child a gun for the same reasons

[gleaming hedge]

maybe low prio issue compared to everything else

[tender peak]

Ril is just more investment heavy than xiada, if you can't oneshot with Ril it's joever

[gleaming hedge]

can we ever get some actual formula and stat information on dmg and effect accuracy vs res

and mosnter resist/accuracy/spd?

[hardy sigil]

my child would be smart enough to hold a gun.

[lethal swift]

give me another damage dealer that can do sub 50sec run on auto

[tender peak]

Gear wise

[gleaming hedge]

i cant napkin anything without a lot of maybes

[tender peak]

Xiada takes more lattices

But Ril needs better gear

[gleaming hedge]

you are missing the point

[hardy sigil]

my child would ask me what they are holding and what to do with it before trying to do anythign with it.

[stuck eagle]

you can use dinah

[hardy sigil]

#aurablackpill #inquisitiveson #bloodlineintelligence

[acoustic thistle]

C just a question. Is there any chance that the team will put out some kind of statement as an addendum to what has been said in the meetup?
I feel like majority of the people need to read a few of the things that are being written on this discord. Just a thought

[stuck eagle]

you dont need kloss

[gleaming hedge]

ppl who targetted rilmocha based on ccs hyping her without having kloss are regretting it

i call her a scam half jokingly

i dont think shes a bad unit and i intend to give her 4 lattices in the future when i can spare it

[hardy sigil]

ehh

idk

may cause more controversy no matter what

i wasnt told to say what i said in pins in all these threads but i said it bc i undrestand how everyone feels

and felt the need to

but idk if theyd want me doing that in the big ole announcements

bc it could be take nthe wrong way by some and cause even more drama

idk

[quartz locust]

This, no one is saying that rilmocha isn't top tier but Kloss is so much better and has no close alternatives, while rilmocha has rosa and xiada who comes close to what she does. It's disingenuous to say that a Kloss-less account is less gimped than a Rilmocha-less account.

[tender peak]

You don't need any specific character to clear stuff, certain characters make certain stuff easier but there are alternatives

[hardy sigil]

consequences are hard to evaluate tbh

[stuck eagle]

what you mean has no close alternatives?

[brisk night]

Ok i just finished typing the below but i noticed chat has a different vibe so sorry for paragraph dump. I just think its really important

Like C just to give an example for clarity, it is VERY clear that the devs are aware of the resource and economy issue. However, you guys never directly acknowledged "hey, we think the amount fo resources are not ok, and we plan to change this as a long term focus." INstead, you guys talked about the upcoming dream event which is supposed to give big big rewards.

Personally, im hearing two things, 1: The dream event will supplement our currency income in the short term, allieviating some of that coin struggle, and 2: Direct coin drops from grinding aren't meant to be the only source of income. Players are expected to go thru alot of different places to scour coins and resources to progress.

The issue with this is that htis does not acknowledge just how ridiculously expensive it is to upgrade modules and such. Instead, it sounds like a bandaid solution of "we hear ur concerns, but instead of fixing it here have a nice bonus event and we hope u forget about the actual problems"

My suggestion with this is just to directly say "We have plans to increase resource acquisition for players in the long term. We need time to implement these changes to bring the best experience. This event will help blah blah blah. " TLDR its a direct reference to the problem with reference to future plans to fix, knowing that this event ISN'T enough but wanting to do something to help players in the short term

[tender peak]

I can think of at least 3

[brisk night]

sorry for paragraph dump

[hardy sigil]

holy yap but thank god it's from someone who isn't annoying

[brisk night]

[silver phoenix]

example 1) banner information release, we have so far gotten new character information a few days before banners are released this gives players 0 time to figure out if they want it or not and also doesnt give the game any time to hype the character up to drive sales. Hoyo equivalent: latest 3.4 banner character was announced over a month before release and dev stream devoted to the character, with alot of teasers in the weeks following PLUS in game news. (i saw super early numbers of $12.5mln for ios alone). Having some lead tome not only gives the studio time to test characters but also time for players to manage resources so there will be less outcry for 2x events.

2. game news and event schedules - for now as the game is new and with all the feedback it seems everything is super reactive which is ok but players in gaming are conditioned to have a patch once every [insert time frame here], in some games like hoyo its once ~2 months ish, in other games it could be longer or shorter. With pre planned events announced before patches launched, so again using hoyo as the example I have known for 2 weeks already before this new patch launched all of the upcoming events for the next couple months. This again builds hype and gives players an idea of whats to come. This is something you kinda of do in the hypertalks but the lead time is just way to short for people to even be excited about or even remember

Again longer lead times also allows players to manage their resources better.

Hope these 2 examples help, also im not saying you guys dont do this, its just done in such a last minute/rushed fashion that everything feels super reactive and short term

[brisk night]

holy double yap

[hardy sigil]

holy yap but its from someone annoying

[brisk night]

LMAOOOO

[hardy sigil]

just kidding

lemme read both

[brisk night]

the timing

[acoustic thistle]

Absolutely, i don't know how it would be taken. I just feel that some people need some reassurance on things that haven't been talked about and it's not many of us being in this discord reading. But you guys decide 👍🏻

[gleaming hedge]

you have a very limited amount of resources, so naturally units that do multiple things are more efficient than units that do only 1 thing

[silver phoenix]

actually reported to HR

[brisk night]

wait

but

he is the hr

[gleaming hedge]

you can get further with less

[brisk night]

[gleaming hedge]

thats part of the issues right now

[silver phoenix]

hsr more like

[gleaming hedge]

is that its too extreme

[tender peak]

You do have limited resources but a lot of the alternatives are SRs

[stuck eagle]

well

[tender peak]

Not ssrs

[stuck eagle]

we getting new unit now

with freeze and def break

which is like kazyo and kloss on one

happy building

[gleaming hedge]

right my worries arent appeased by the dev talk because it doesnt feel like they are on the same page with how damn broke we feel. them promising rewarding events when current events are already an issue is like

[hardy sigil]

theyre aware of resource and economy issue. Instead of changing core things that will have permanent impact and lead to crazy abundant resources once people are at endgame with nothing to use them on I think the focus is to continue releasing generous weekly events that give way more than the past ones to help with economy and continue rewarding active players. Also not releasing extremely hard events back to back and also having safe routes like on dream realm where u can get a lot of reward without having to be super strong or take risks.

for shells they are increasing currency directly with the gold shell replacement stuff, but rng stuff still sucks regardless of the pity thing

[gleaming hedge]

o..kay...but whats ur idea of a rewarding event

[hardy sigil]

that's what we have to see

if this one is not enough

the next one will have to increase

[brisk night]

yea

[hardy sigil]

if it's good we'll keep that stability

[brisk night]

Personally thats what i understood as well

but i think

ALOT of the community

doesn't see that perspective

instead they hear devs ignoring their concerns

and hoping that this event will magically address the issues

like even me

[lethal swift]

i'm still gonna let the whale build him first, at a first glance i don't trust this 50% proc (even tho it can be doubled) to reliably land these 2 debuff on doki doki 3 billions resistance enemies

[stuck eagle]

yeah like jack said he hear the ppl having issues with resources but they wanted to make a game where you actually feel good having silver

[brisk night]

i expect the event to give me at least

3-5 million coins

[stuck eagle]

and its not wasted recourse

like most games

[brisk night]

3-5 sounds like a lot but thats realistiaclly only 5-7 +15 modules

[silver phoenix]

dont worry manage your resources carefully. 2x event every 4-6 weeks

[brisk night]

so like maybe 1 character

lol

[tender peak]

Honestly, I like the idea of a money shell better than a guaranteed red cuz like, if it was guaranteed red you'd have to recycle potentially good shells just to have any data at all

[brisk night]

the shells

was a PERFECt response imo

mentioned the issue

[hardy sigil]

the game philosophy is really good and honestly set up to last a long time which is why they designed it that way, but there should have been way more early progression bumps to help get over the hard parts such as all of the events giving greater rewards etc

[brisk night]

gave example of WIP changes

[stuck eagle]

thats why you build him and you pick either def breaker with him or another cc for more consistency

since he has both skills in one

[brisk night]

showed that it will directly impact player economy and improve their griding QOL

maybe for some players it isn't enough

but in my eyes

it is fair communication from the dev's side of thing

[silver phoenix]

literally just add a money farming stage or the usual shitty gacha dispatch system where your characters go get a small amount of random mats

[hardy sigil]

mhm it was a good play

its just finding those good plays without ruining that endgame economy etc for each issue

it's so sensitive

[brisk night]

yes

[hardy sigil]

ppl dont realize how tough it is

[brisk night]

yea...

[hardy sigil]

which sucks for all of us

[brisk night]

i definitely realize it

but its hard to say anything

without sounding like a white knight

LOL

[hardy sigil]

mhm

[open saddle]

[gleaming hedge]

for me, its because in the same breath they said "you guys feel broke? well we designed it that way"

[hardy sigil]

exactly why it sucks for all of us

[gleaming hedge]

the signaling is like uhhh

[brisk night]

true but like

think about it this way

[stuck eagle]

chris are you also 90+?

[brisk night]

why would u NOT be broke?

[stuck eagle]

and hows your silver

😄

[brisk night]

u are at the beginning of a new game

why would u have an abundance of resources?

if you are pushing content

you should be using EVERYTHING

[gleaming hedge]

theres broke and theres farming all day for peanuts

[brisk night]

thats ALOT true

but like its a gacha game

[gleaming hedge]

you can spend 3 days worth of shell farming

[brisk night]

lets be realistic

LOL

[gleaming hedge]

and 3k gems in refills

[brisk night]

ur not playing an RPG

[tender peak]

A lot of them also don't care, they want more now

[gleaming hedge]

to actually get 0 improvements

[brisk night]

yea

[gleaming hedge]

due to losing sheer rng

[brisk night]

and guess what

i also summon

80 fucking times

to get a doki dupe

[hardy sigil]

which unfortunately is understandable

[gleaming hedge]

theres PITY

[brisk night]

u think that feels good either?

[gleaming hedge]

also you got something

[brisk night]

no

ur delsional if u think

a doki dupe

[gleaming hedge]

you can actually literally vanish thousands of gems and stamina into literally nothing in shell rng

[brisk night]

is "something"

[gleaming hedge]

well doki dupe is pretty shit

[hardy sigil]

🤣

[brisk night]

it is

i COULD

have gotten ssania

[gleaming hedge]

but still its different from the literal void of shell rolling

[brisk night]

but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

FUCK ME IN THE ASS

[stuck eagle]

doki dupe is so bad 😄

[brisk night]

3 DOKI DUPES

FUCKING

[stuck eagle]

prob has worst prowess ever

[brisk night]

INCREASED HEALING RECEIVED

LIKE FUCK

[gleaming hedge]

YOU HAVE A 2ND ACCOUNT WITH LILY AND SSANIA

[brisk night]

MAN

[lethal swift]

there is still the rng issue on mythic shell tho, i'm 3 weeks into nico inferno max refreshing farming, looking for white fangfury momentum furyedge, i'll will get it but when ? so far 16k+ stamina wasted (didn't get a artisan or gigabyte i'm looking for either)

[brisk night]

YEA WELL

FUCK THE COMMUNITY

FOR SAYING SSANIA WAS BAD

DAY 1

FUCK YALl

[gleaming hedge]

thats what u get

[brisk night]

[gleaming hedge]

[brisk night]

yall fucking trolling me

T_T

[hardy sigil]

ty

[gleaming hedge]

go pull yeli

[brisk night]

could be farming terror inferno easy pz

but nooooooooooooo

[stuck eagle]

thanks for ppl who got us more resets because ssania

lot of us could build her

[brisk night]

FK

[stuck eagle]

bcs of that

😄

[halcyon jolt]

i dont have my ssania

[brisk night]

I WASTED THOSE TOO

I LITERALLY

RESET RILMOCHA

[hardy sigil]

i wasted so many resets

[halcyon jolt]

who is this we

[hardy sigil]

💀

[brisk night]

FOR XIADA

THEN RESET XIADA FOR RILMOCHA

AND THEN RESET RILMOCHA AGAIN FOR XIADA

FUCKKKKKKKKKK IM FUCKING STUPID

[stuck eagle]

xD

happens

[quartz locust]

I'd say the shell passives being pure rng is the most pressing matter regarding shells. We have a pity system for summons so having one for shell passives too would be great and not unprecedented.

[gleaming hedge]

so to me it feels like the devs are designing for late game when we arent even sure we are gonna make it through the first couple months its like also contributing to it all feeling out of touch and uh behind on the times

[silver phoenix]

true but ratio is off vs income and spend. Dont even get me started on passive rolling rng, im pretty certain the logic for that is broken because the amount of dupes i get on rolls within a single session is kinda insane

[brisk night]

yea

ok

passive rolling

is a different monster

the reason why i say

[hardy sigil]

late game feels like 2 month mark or so from what im gauging?