List of changes we won't get (pls prove me wrong)

[spare fiber]

Not worth it, gap between players who farmed inferno during 2x event is immeasurable. On top of that the lack of resources without reset events makes it even worst for f2p.

[solemn fiber]

funny enough after 3 month this comment is not revelant anymore...but who know what happen after 3 month

[crimson sandal]

Not many people will play this game in 3 months if they don't fix things asap...

Only whales will be left, and even they will be disincentivized to continue playing because there is no one else to play with except other whales...

[sonic kite]

There won’t be ANYONE playing this game in 3 months because the game will eos

[deep silo]

You won’t compete with whales anyway. See it like this: it’s two completely different worlds. You’ll feel at peace.

[crimson sandal]

Exactly. One world will still play the game because they already spent thousands while the other world will already move on to other more player-friendly games....

[sonic kite]

It’s time to play sw

I love sw

[crimson sandal]

Star wars?

[sonic kite]

Summoners war

[crimson sandal]

Ah okies

[worldly maple]

People say that for every game tbh

I still see alot of them surviving for longer than that

Like game has problems yes, but it definitely won't EoS in 3 months at least

Maybe a year

[crimson sandal]

Umm, I didn't say the game will eos. Where did you read that??

[worldly maple]

Oh wait

Wrong ping

It was Xyvdum

[honest oak]

This isn't true during 2x people farmed the equivalent of 4 months in 2 days. You're not going to simply just make up that gap as f2p

We never should have gotten a 2x that early

Granted whales were always going to have more opportunities to see better gear than you. But that's also probably why they're only nerfing the entry level infernos rn and not hitting the ones people are stuck at

As well as why they haven't reduced economy costs and buffed the inferno drops because if they do it now before people who we're walled in hell have a chance to actually get some inferno gear the gap would never lessen

[solemn fiber]

yea i mean since the gap is already here.....either they care about it now or in the future it doesnt matter anymore

[honest oak]

That i somewhat disagree with i think if they just buffed all drop rates in inferno and fixed currency issue now which gap is smaller. People who farmed 1000+ modules since 2x in Inferno vs the f2p who were stuck in Hell 2-4

[rain wagon]

Zaee is back

[honest oak]

Or people who might be at like 1500+ Inferno drops while now some f2p have at least some Inferno drops

They are upsetting people stuck at endgame right now at the risk of a few of them leaving to have the least amount of people likely quit in the longterm otherwise if they just opened the floodgates then yeah the game would be extremely inaccessible to f2p

[honest oak]

Yo yo

[crimson sandal]

Don't see the logic here ngl. Reduce the difficulty so more people can clear and increase the inferno drops. Make it accessible more accessible to f2p. Problem solved.

[honest oak]

Can you already clear inferno now?

[tame stump]

they should nerf inferno more and get it to a reasonable place before buffing drop rates

[crimson sandal]

Don't know what that have got to do with anything. Just trying to divert from my points I guess...

[honest oak]

No you said you don't see the logic

I'm showing you the logic

[crimson sandal]

Just do both together. Clock is ticking and people are leaving

[tame stump]

cause if they buffed drop rates now it would increase the gap between people who can clear and who can't clear

[honest oak]

^

[tame stump]

how would they know if its enough

[honest oak]

He gets it

[tame stump]

the nerfs are enough i mean

without giving it time and seeing

if people can clear

like rengo needs so many nerfs before he is autoable by most of the playerbase

[crimson sandal]

They have beta difficulty as baseline, people didn't complain about it then. That's a good start...

Sure, you guys want the developers want to take their own sweet time

Whatever, let the game bleed

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-1750056094467610487

[honest oak]

Unfortunately some people did which is why we're here

[honest oak]

It's not that I want it but it probably has the lowest possible amount of people leaving longterm of all options avaliable

Do you know how much f2p players outnumber whales? If the gap blew wide open how many more players do you think would leave

Why would people stay in a game where they could never hope to catch up

This at least is giving them a chance to at the expense of pissing off people currently stuck at Rengo Sharon and Aurora

[tame stump]

if they do some good nerfs on rengo sharon and aurora this monday

they can buff the drop rates i think

[honest oak]

I can't kill Rengo myself but I dont think that I should come first

At least not on auto anyway and I won't manual beyond the first clear

[crimson sandal]

Yeah, good luck with that. A lot of people already left and the developers taking their own sweet time isn't going to fix it. Some small changes to the boss every week isn't going to do anything. If most people already left, a small number of players remaining isn't going to matter long term...

[honest oak]

People are leaving absolutely it was always going to happen even if things went well. Could this have all been avoided? Yup but this is where we are now. So they'll do whatever they can to keep the most amount of players for the longterm. We don't know how many left nor how many are still here so like you can't say that most people left of there is only a small amount of players remaining

[rain wagon]

It's more about upper management stopping them

[honest oak]

If things were as dire as you said, they would have just done everything all at once even if it causes a mass exodus of the f2p

[rain wagon]

Their ceo is controlling them as much as possible to apply the changes when everyone leaves they might think after that people can comeback

[honest oak]

Since they didn't it shows that their data thinks this situation can be salavaged by doing things properly

[honest oak]

nah ceos will do whatever makes the most money, what would make the most money is letting whales get their fixes

everything they are doing currently is counter to what whales want

[rain wagon]

Then why the upper management is still making devs slack off

[honest oak]

so it's not decisions being made by money

[honest oak]

@rain wagon see here

i bet you they are watching the data as it comes in to make these decisions real time for game health as companies tend to do

also fun fact ceos almost never get directly involved in the day to day menial stuff. it would be the director of the game who's under XD

and if he fails he gets fired

[rain wagon]

He should be rn

They will fire him when game flops at this rate

[honest oak]

Are you speaking from an MBA?

[rain wagon]

Ye

Anyway if the game flops whole team gets throwed out

[honest oak]

If you have an MBA just whale your way through it then

[rain wagon]

I won't

[honest oak]

You'd make enough knowing how to run a successful company

[rain wagon]

I am more into IT

[crimson sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-1750056094467610487

[honest oak]

I never said it was fine, this is where we are

No sense crying over spilled milk, they are probably damage controlling for the best outcome long term at this point

[harsh dagger]

Poor jack

Well he can go and make a new league of angels game if he gets fired

[deep silo]

It’s the same thing in old gacha games, and it’ll be the same in future ones. Maybe this genre "gacha games" just isn’t for you.

“More player-friendly” just means: How can I build my game so free-to-play players think they can compete, while whales still end up dominating them ?

[hollow lantern]

Mobile games will NEVER be f2p friendly. Ever.

[sonic kite]

these are greedy companies why would they make a f2p friendly game

[hollow lantern]

Idk if greedy is the right word

It’s a business…. Lol

[deep silo]

It’s basically the gacha paradox :

“I want a free game with tons of content and good support…but I don’t want the people who fund the game to have any advantages.”

The reality is:

If nobody paid, the game wouldn’t exist.

If whales pay, they expect a real return on their investment (stronger characters, easier access, etc.).

[sonic kite]

Not all businesses are greedy if you really think about it

Making money to live does not equate to greed

[hollow lantern]

Correct and I would not put this game in the greedy category by any stretch of the imagination

They don’t give enough to spenders imo

[sonic kite]

Gacha games profit off fomo and the simplicity and accessibility of mobile purchases

[hollow lantern]

The inly shitty thing is the difficulty of inferno requires specific characters. Which feels bad even for spenders

[sonic kite]

They’re all pretty greedy from my pov

[hollow lantern]

Restaurants profit off hunger :/ so greedy

[sonic kite]

But you’re free to have a different opinion formed by your different experiences

[crimson sandal]

Games with gambling mechanics are always greedy. There are no two ways about it…

[crimson sandal]

Missing my point entirely. L take…

[honest oak]

this is 100% accurate

[hollow lantern]

but that is nothing but numerical changes

super easy ato fix

and they will do it

[honest oak]

There's a whale in my guild who dropped $1k in rebate, didn't get Lily or SSania and tried to prog without them, hit a wall and then dropped another $1k until he got SSania right when we had 2x announced

[hollow lantern]

it tok me 3k to get lily

now i have 13 massiah, 11 mio, 8 shadow sania

[honest oak]

Like believe me guys it's rough for everyone the inferno changes were just not tested

[hollow lantern]

but got my lily

[honest oak]

it wasn't from a place of greed just kind of incompetence as they wanted to artificially stretch the content

[hollow lantern]

which i do agree wtih

just not how they did it

[honest oak]

mhm there was definitely better ways to do it

[hollow lantern]

but yes. game is totally fine

[honest oak]

time gate inferno don't drop it on launch

[hollow lantern]

if they fix the RTA trash meta

[honest oak]

imo even rta on launch was mistake too but that's another story for another time

now all we can do is just wait for the fixes as they check the data in real time

[spiral stirrup]

List of changes we won't get (pls prove me wrong)

[spare fiber]

EoS in 7 months. EoS in 4 if it wasnt for greed.

[severe copper]

people seem to froget that 99% of the player base is playing the game and having fun while 1% are complaining in discord

[boreal lark]

Coin:
-Reduce total cost by 18%
-Change the increase cost rate to 1-9 super cheap and 9-15 super expensive
-remove 2 symbol drops in inferno
-remove 2 substat lines drops in inferno
-increase the sell amount from 45% to 60%

Shells:
-Reduce Total cost by 25%
-Reduce passive rolling cost by 33%
-Remove Blue rolls from 3 matrixes Shells
-Remove Epic Shell dropps in Inferno
-Double the drop rate for 3 matrixes Shells
-Implement a pitty system for passive rolls, so you can work towards your desired stat

My Suggestions i guess

[valid minnow]

I think the mythic rates are actually fine for shells

if we just remove yellows

[tame stump]

removing yellow drops and spreading their drop rate among hell & inferno shells would be nice

but they need to nerf rengo sharon and hoyan more before they do that

[unreal stone]

https://youtu.be/wprFc2ZBCEM?si=2v68RpnBudxgBGhy

[harsh dagger]

skill issue

[unreal stone]

lol more like economy issue I’m doing inferno and all we need more coins in this hoe

Wanna upgrade gear

[harsh dagger]

its a marathon not a sprint /s

[unreal stone]

Trust I understand lol but they did the math and everything it still isn’t justified enough even if it’s supposed to take maybe 2 months to 3 months to get gear to clear most content I still feel like things need to be adjusted that’s all

[boreal lark]

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[honest oak]

@ocean dust stop hiding like a coward

[ocean dust]

🍿

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

[honest oak]

Just quit already. Imagine having SSania and complaining for days in a row about being stuck on Terror cuz no Lily. I don't think this game is for you

[ocean dust]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-gif-10031223162004539162

[ocean dust]

Jokes on you, got over it and cleared inferno stages already 🤣 CLOWN

[honest oak]

That's a relief, it'd be embarrassing if you didn't. And you didn't really get over it, you were still crying about no Lily just last week with Hoyan (which you don't need to clear there btw). Clown.

[honest oak]

Truly parasocial behavior 😂. Keep bringing in more alts i guess

[south warren]

I have done 800 pulls and still no Lily

I don’t think Lily is coming home

[polar galleon]

Always remember....

"We understand that some of the content may seem difficult or challenging for players, but rest assured.... it was designed to be this way."

[rain wagon]

Just get good - devs

[sonic kite]

Of course! It was designed to be so frustrating that you have to hack to feel fun clearing inferno and other pve gamemodes!

[polar galleon]

What can I say except for...

https://tenor.com/view/markets-in-your-favor-gif-27376773

[boreal lark]

800 only? Weak

I am like 1.5k in and still no lily

[sonic kite]

Marathon not a sprint

[boreal lark]

But got a dupe for every ld tho

[polar galleon]

@boreal lark is like that one scene in Fairy Odd Parents with the dad and the trophy room

https://tenor.com/view/trophy-frustrated-goal-mr-turner-fairly-odd-parents-gif-8888418

Except the trophy is Lily

[boreal lark]

[keen egret]

1500? weak af 2500+ and no lily and tsukiyo mi

@polar galleon

[errant dew]

Im in the same situation but for heinrich , 2000+ pull and no heinrich

[mystic wind]

Ssanialess