List of changes we won't get (pls prove me wrong)

[grave crag]

by far the easiest inferno atm

so nerfing it even further will really help

and then niconana inferno should be super easy now

[spiral stirrup]

sir, I am not blind & thankfully, I can read. But when the very first balance adjustments - slap in the face, it's a dissapointment. Waiting for weeks to get something real - no thank you. They had more than enough time to fix REAL problems.

[grave crag]

so you can then get swiftraid on a lot of characters

[keen egret]

i can udnerstand u and i dont want to shild this notes but just be a bit more patient maybe 1-2 weeks

[spiral stirrup]

They had 3 betas & almost a month since release -> that's more than enough time

[noble osprey]

It's less about the patience and more about how they took the feed back and released this as the "temporary/1st wave solution"

It's demonstrating they don't understand the core issues

[honest oak]

think objectively for a second what happens when you guys stuck at sharon rengo and aurora are no longer walled AND they do the qol changes and increase the currency gained before they let all the people who can't even get into inferno get a chance to farm up

[keen egret]

yeah sure but wait till enxt week maybe they do more nerfs

[prime rivet]

simple solution guys.

just dont play until they actually make changes. why play a game thats NOT fun.

[grave crag]

I think these changes are pretty big

[keen egret]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1389586089135706132

[grave crag]

am I missing something here

[honest oak]

i disagree it shows they understand them very well. if that did what you all are saying the entire casual playerbase would quit

[sonic kite]

I would agree but for me I passed hell quite easily without the need for any ld units but I can see why he’ll might be an issue for other people

[keen egret]

they want more

[honest oak]

the people already in inferno would get so far ahead game balance would be fucked for so long

[grave crag]

we already got told that they would be rolling out changes in multiple patches

[honest oak]

^

[grave crag]

and the first issue of inferno being too hard got addressed

in a big way

so now we see what they have for QoL / shells / resources income

[sonic kite]

I don’t think there were any big complainers about hell being too hard

If there were they never made a thread for it

[queen osprey]

The more time they take the smaller the community gets

[honest oak]

they obviously are aware of rengo and they know the economy issues for sure it was even confirmed as such last night that there was an issue with the game currency

[spiral stirrup]

Ok, I am gonna leave you guys to this pointless discussion where you try to defend this hilarious patch note.

[noble osprey]

Thing is they already nerfed niconana and lot of people felt that she was in good place. More nerfs are fine, but they are clearly ignoring nerfing everything in general (sharon and rengokutsu are the biggest complaints probably). Especially rengokutsu which whales are even complaining so F2P would have an even worse time for this fight

[grave crag]

I agree

they need to move fast still

[queen osprey]

And taking that much time for just a bunch of number changes is quite laughable tbh

[sonic kite]

It’s a step in the right direction even if it is a baby step

[lilac epoch]

The changes are good, unfortunately all this waiting got me bitter and I’m not even that happy about it.

[grave crag]

and not wait a week

[honest oak]

yeah but there's less of you then there are casual players they are doing what keeps the most players longterm

i'm not saying it's a perfect fix this situation never should have happened to begin with

but what yall want would kill the game

[olive flame]

what

[spiral stirrup]

you truly believe these are the most important changes casual players need right now???

that they drop on us today

[sonic kite]

Casual players won’t be making up the player base

[honest oak]

you cant just blow open the floodgates when most of the playerbase cant even start the race

[wild canopy]

No nerf for Rengo?

[sonic kite]

Hardcore players who love rta will be the intended audience

[grave crag]

this is the biggest complaint from the community

[maiden spindle]

In longterm they will nerf all the other stuff anyway though?

[noble osprey]

If they did resource acquisition buffs (etheria coin, training data, exp books) i think the patch notes would be a LOT better

[grave crag]

everyone was mad about inferno first and foremost

so they addressed it first

[queen osprey]

If the matchmaking is made of 1k people it won’t be that fun

[sonic kite]

And most of these hardcore players are either stuck on inferno or trying to make it more consistent

[honest oak]

put it this way if the currency issue is fixed how far ahead are the people with 1500+ pieces from inferno compared to people stuck in hell 3/4 rn

[magic path]

I think the changes should be on drop rates, with better shells/modules you could attempt to clear everything even really hard probelm is being 4 days max refresh for a shell or a reroll on a shell

[grave crag]

100%, I think they need to release their resource income changes very quickly after this patch

they cannot wait around for a week

[honest oak]

i think it'll be short term just not tomorrow they are likely trying to give people a chance to catch up somewhat

[maiden spindle]

The people stuck in hell 3/4 have the same currency issues

[magic path]

Fixing drop rates would fix inferno and he'll same time

[grave crag]

like they have been

[sonic kite]

So you would rather fight casuals who don’t have as much game knowledge and don’t have accounts as built?

[noble osprey]

But that's the thing it would allow the people stuck to get better shells/modules themselves it aint a "this affects the people currently farming inferno" it helps progression for the lower spender as well

[sonic kite]

To begin with

[maiden spindle]

Catch up on what though? They’d dint address the fundamental issues

[sonic kite]

It was the casuals who were saying that it’s a marathon not a sprint

[clever wraith]

I like how devs dropped the changes quickly just before HSR’s massive collab patch. They know what they’re doing and who their competition is.

[noble osprey]

You can argue it helps the whales more, but nerfing/buffing anything would so that isn't really a great argument

[sonic kite]

These people were the same people who didn’t care about how long it took them to progress

[honest oak]

not as much as it helps people in inferno though

[sonic kite]

It’s in the name

CASUAL

[queen osprey]

Nah, my reasonning is that we try harders are staying becazse we played beta and know the pvp can be really fun. The problem is that rn newcomers can’t even experiment pvp since it’s a pve hell

[honest oak]

saying differently is disingenuous

[noble osprey]

Again that's not a real argument any change would help the whales whether that be making them clear faster or them being able to spend the resources on inferno pieces

[honest oak]

you think it's no coincidence they didn't nerf the 3 inferno bosses that most people deep into inferno are stuck on? it's obvious they want to close the gap some

[magic path]

I'm clearing renfo like with a 40% success so I kinda understand about nerfing everything in a sequence that's why I thinking changing the drop rates of next tier shell/modules would help progression from hello and from infernos, not really need to be hard nerfing bosses

[honest oak]

you can't even pretend you can't see the logic

[maiden spindle]

But then why didn’t they nerf the hell stages casual people are actually stuck on?

Instead of inferno

[noble osprey]

If they wanted to "close the gap some" then why nerf only dokidoki? Why not nerf aurora or tera even further or heck just remove the damage amp on opposite element so the people who don't have as many heroes can try out other team compositions

???????????

[honest oak]

they should address them but they have the data maybe not as many people are stuck on hell as it would seem

[spiral stirrup]

@honest oak @grave crag , I am not saying that inferno nerfs they're gonna release are useless. No! It's needed.

But why the f... I see these:

• Lowered difficulty for [Ember Trek] <Sharon>: Boss HP reduced by 25% in all three battle phases
• Lowered difficulty for [Ember Trek] <Astarte>: Monster [Alpha - Disorder] Effect ACC reduced by 50%; All enemy Attack in the second phase reduced by 20%
• Lowered difficulty for [Anisync Echoes] <Heinrich>: Normal level - Enemy [Marvell] Speed reduced by 5%; Normal/Hard/Nightmare levels - Enemy [Heinrich] Speed reduced by 7%

Why do they put in 0.00001% effort?

What's the issue of adjusting other Infernos?
What's the issue of excluding useless drops?

Does not seem hard to me when you're dealing with your own product.

[noble osprey]

There are more obvious changes they couldve made to "help close the gap"

[odd wagon]

Fix the damned economy.

[honest oak]

because they clearly want players to catch up, that much is obvious if they keep nerfing the entry bosses

holy shit this isn't rocket science

[odd wagon]

Harder content is bottom of the pile when it comes to the fact that it takes an entire day worth of grinding and stamina to upgrade one piece of gear to +15

[tardy maple]

It’s hard to converse with this community lol

[odd wagon]

And let’s not forget that most gear in these games is absolute rubbish because it rolls substats you don’t want, which are probably heavily waited to be there in the first place just to annoy you and to get you to spend more money or time.

[honest oak]

yeah no kidding

[sonic kite]

Cus people stuck on hell honestly just need to fix their comp…. Can we be real? Lian can clear hell 4 and diting is a very accessible sr that is good for aurora and you can guarantee a freya for a starter acc for doki along with an accessible green kazuyo

While most doki dps are ssr it’s still the easiest stage

[grave crag]

I mean those are just changes for the BS ember trek and anisync fights

[honest oak]

yall was a dead game in 2 months as opposed to this game maybe actually recovering with a decent playerbase

[sonic kite]

Hell 4 guides are even posted on twitter by official Etheria account

[grave crag]

but the main reason why I think these changes are pretty good is beacuse you actually have a progression path for people to break into inferno now

[maiden spindle]

“Diting is a very accessible sr” who’s gonna tell him

[grave crag]

you can easily get into nico inferno

[odd wagon]

It’s not as if people here and the devs themselves have not played dozens if not hundreds of gachas. We know what is bad in these games. So do they.

[grave crag]

and you can now get into the easiest module inferno boss, doki doki, even easier now

[odd wagon]

There’s no excuse for this kind of design in 2025

[grave crag]

and then you get swiftraid, and inferno gear, and then you can tackle the other infernos

[honest oak]

i gave a good suggestion last night for people to get an SR selector box like we got at the start with Kazu in it. one with val/diting/cachi

[maiden spindle]

That’s why I don’t understand why people are defending this, we’ve seen this in other games before

[grave crag]

I still wholeheartedly agree that they should just go back to beta difficulty

they never needed to change it

[honest oak]

that way people who are walled by not having access to an LD SR can get the one to help their prog

c liked it too

[sonic kite]

Is he not I pulled more than 10 of him already sure you could argue luck but the chances of someone not owning diting are one in a krillion. My condolences that you don’t have diting

[honest oak]

you're right i saw what happened in other games when they did what you guys want

the game speedran eos

if the casual playerbase feels like they can never close the gap they'll leave

they aren't like us who will sit here and argue for changes they'll just go back to daily logging in HSR or some shit

[honest oak]

@grave crag behold someone who was not so lucky lol

[sonic kite]

Idk I would donate a diting if I could

I’ve gotten so many

They need to expand sr to have much more accessible pure dps instead of utility units

[grave crag]

I got max dupes of every other LD SR

...no diting

[honest oak]

this is probably the best way to keep the most players long term, i expect we'll get qol stuff soon

[grave crag]

and no Lily

[coarse juniper]

i guess it depends on how they do forward on the next patch

[honest oak]

yeah if they pull some clown shit we call them on it

[coarse juniper]

it depends unless its a nerf a week then they prob playing with fire

[rustic knoll]

I feel like a small dupe protection for just SR units until you unlock the whole pool would do the game alot of good. It wouldnt hurt the whales, and just gives every account a nice amount of units to pick from

[coarse juniper]

changes has to be 2 patch this week

[sonic kite]

I’d be fine with a nerf a week as long as the upcoming patches are filled with qol

[honest oak]

but overall the goal is for this game to navigate through all this with a healthy playerbase still

[coarse juniper]

they are already fighthing with alot of upcoming games and new collabs etc

[frank siren]

i expect another silent QoL to all the shell/coin to be at most by the end of this week

[spiral stirrup]

List of changes we won't get

[coarse juniper]

prob is will the casuals be fine

they have been walled for a month now? or 2 weeks

[keen egret]

#1388869968476504114 message touch grass holy

[warped obsidian]

It might be too little too late but who knows

[honest oak]

that's why i'm saying like what good is better economy going to do for players who at best have outstanding gear vs people with 1500 pieces to check from inferno

like yall actually high af if you think the two are even remotely comparable

[warped obsidian]

I've been sitting in a pretty casual union that still clears boss, wins front, etc. but we've had literally open enrollment for the last 2 weeks (min level 45) and have had like 3 people join

[frank siren]

yeah u dont see people saying hell is hard in here because most of them post in
https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1356518920743424131
and they not complaining that it's hard they are asking what to do instead

heck i can tell u i was stuck in hell3 terror for like a week

[honest oak]

sadly yeah i'm worried about the same

[sonic kite]

Most high level casuals prolly quit

Newer casuals are lower level

And it makes sense that they’re walled at hell

I was too

But because I max refresh

[warped obsidian]

I've got some guy in the subreddit telling me refreshing is pointless because he can only do hell 2 in thresholds after spending weeks shell farming. Someone convinced these people they don't need modules

[sonic kite]

It’s really a mix of both

I switch up every now and then

[warped obsidian]

I mean yeah

But once you approach a reasonable limit for quality in terms of what you can get out of shells you move back to mods

Then you go back to higher shells

[sonic kite]

And let’s be real

Casuals are probably running a much more scuffed team than people who are at inferno

[warped obsidian]

This guy has Lily

[sonic kite]

If you have lily and are stuck at hell 2

Idk what to say

[frank siren]

who

[sonic kite]

.

[honest oak]

did he just not build diting lol even my alt is doing hell 4 no lily

[warped obsidian]

Lily overcomes a lot of gear issues but she can't overcome having no modules

[warped obsidian]

Yep that's something he's still working on too

[honest oak]

ahh thats why

[solemn fiber]

Yea if you have lily and not reach hell 4 and complain its kinda skill issue tbh

[honest oak]

diting + val is literally a hall pass through the early game

[warped obsidian]

That's my whole point though, people are out there dealing with massive skill issues lol

And bouncing off hard

[honest oak]

but not all of it is skill issues there is a legit high wall from hell 4 to inferno

hell 2 to hell 3 is mostly a hey are you using real gear and the right units check

[solemn fiber]

Its not even lily....ssania is the same tier as lily,especially if you build obol and fangus,like how do they still stuck is beyond me

[honest oak]

idk how anyone who has SSania isn't steam rolling inferno

[keen egret]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/s/78OvOklQ9N

[honest oak]

with or without lily

[void lotus]

yeah except hell i not hard at all imo just need to have properly upgraded gear imo

[warped obsidian]

It's interesting that they're not touching any of the soft enrage bullshit

[honest oak]

what? this doesn't even make sense to what you responded to

[coarse juniper]

means its still a dmg check

kewk

[warped obsidian]

The way things are going I'll soon have been in Aurora for an entire week without cr cd atk% momentum dropping

[sonic kite]

Technically the atk nerds on the inferno bosses kinda serves to lower the effects of ramping enrage

Nerfs

Like

Indirectly

Yk

[fair shell]

Why didnt they nerf sharon inferno smh

[warped obsidian]

Yeah, for the stages they touched at least

[grave ingot]

Let me guess, u cant clear it?

[harsh dagger]

probably some youtube vid

[lilac epoch]

Yeah, most ccs basically said you need to farm shells because that’s where most of your power comes (dumb)

[void lotus]

Sharon is easy try Rengokutsu. Its FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR worse

[fair shell]

I can, with perfect rng and 1 run out of 50 lol

[fair shell]

Nah i found rengo way easier, hes less rng based and way more sustainability based

[void lotus]

On inferno ? And you have 100% stable team and cant do Sharon ?

[fair shell]

I can almost beat Inferno rengokutsu not quite yet,

But i found him to be a lot less frustrating when i did my attempts

[void lotus]

So its bs basically.

[fair shell]

Huh?

[void lotus]

Trust me its far worse. I beat everything on inferno, ember trak hard, echoes. Rengokutsu is impossible to be 100% stable because way to much rng and enrage mechanics.

Atm im about 50% stable and thats with godlike gear for it.

Im 100% stable on every inferno atm

other than this

[fair shell]

I didnt disagree about him needing a nerf, i just found Sharon to be one of the most annoying bosses in grim pursuit, her rng of removing your immunity is just stupid

[void lotus]

If you dont have dot team then yeah

[fair shell]

Im sure with maxed skills maxed everything she might not be as bad but thats a crazy thing compared to the bosses after her like hoyan and shit

[void lotus]

Trick for me was building obol and skilling hes S3

can be done w/o shadow sania

with propertuning

if you use pure dot

[fair shell]

Can you even apply dots to sharon?

I thought we couldnt

[void lotus]

ohh weit let me double check

[fair shell]

I dont think u can in inferno

[mystic wind]

Yeah you can’t

[fair shell]

If youre mentioning Obol, youre probably talking about Hoyan

[tame stump]

you cant

[fair shell]

Hoyan is not as bad as sharon

[void lotus]

Sorry my bad this is what i use Key was getting catchi 1/5/5 and fast enough to go before boss

and 3 piece set on ditting

@fair shell

Its 100% stable

[mystic wind]

Yeah that’s the team I’m rocking for Sharon

[void lotus]

Also need timeweave/speed 12/12 on catchi

its main req.

[fair shell]

I used the same team, 3/3/3 on ditting, i just dont have Cachi’s Skills leveled up but with lots of eff acc it doesnt make much of a difference,

How much speed you need on cachi to go before the boss?

[void lotus]

w/o that you cant do it

[fair shell]

Wait no i did go before the boss nvm

And i do use 12/12 on cachi,

Its the rng of sharon removing your immunity thats the most shit part about her

[mystic wind]

Lily s1 and s2 maxed makes that fight trivial

[void lotus]

Basically dont matter how you do it you need 100% uptime on immunity nearly and need to go first. Dont remmember speed as you prob need more than 250-260 my catchi is 300 speed

[fair shell]

U cant do anything about it

[fair shell]

But sharon can remove immunity

If she does my runs die automatic

[mystic wind]

Also dragon shell on cachi

[void lotus]

never had any issues with it

it just works

catchi spams it so much even if she removes it its not big deal

[keen egret]

astarte need nerfs btw (hard)

legit tutorial boss

[mystic wind]

I think they are nerfing?

[keen egret]

[keen egret]

they do and that was sarcasm

she dont need tbh

[mystic wind]

Aaah

[fair shell]

Idk man unless i can end Sharon with 3 S3 from ditting its never gonna be consistent for me and i found the requirements to be stupid rn for Sharon,

Her whole mechanic is based on applying debuffs/dots, so youd expect to clear this boss to counter their mechanic, but then she can counter your counter by removing your immunity,

To me this is badly design so

[keen egret]

she is easy she never move when she moves she is taunted anyways

[void lotus]

i think they are nerfing her a bit

[keen egret]

yeah the second phase

but when u know how to play vvs her they dont need

[mystic wind]

Vice op op

[keen egret]

he is ngl

[fair shell]

They need to fix the whole “30% chance to stun” from the dark elements adds,

This shit is 70% not 30%

[keen egret]

xd

[void lotus]

Its still rng filledd even if you know it so nerf will lessed rng a bit

Its not imposible boss its just hard to get good rng in it

[keen egret]

i dont feel it adds cant kill u with stun and dmg (my team)

[keen egret]

its the hard stage atm and i dont need a second try

im rng blessed or its easy in this setup

[void lotus]

well a lot of ppl got good rng on 1st run

[tender relic]

The patch note looking good

[void lotus]

unlike everyone else

[fair shell]

Bro most of the time as soon as i enter second phase my characters gets stunned for 3-4 turns in a row its stupid

[void lotus]

i was like that to

[mystic wind]

Hmmm maybe your diting damage needs a bit of work. Since you can’t debuff her i rock fury keeneye on him for that fight

[keen egret]

i got stunned like 3 turns

[void lotus]

and then you are surprised 16h trying to get a good rng next time

[keen egret]

vice and sania healing up and u are good to go

[tender relic]

I done it a 100 times for blue prints it’s a incredible experience

[fair shell]

Yeah i need fury cus rn this my ditting

[void lotus]

well this time around with new seasonal mechanic its a lot easier the stun was anoying when doubled with the stun from dark adds that could stun you 3 tuns in a row

whole team

[keen egret]

true

[grave ingot]

Once i had gachi the g at 200 acc and s3 max i 100% auto sharon

[fair shell]

Prayge the new Dark unit coming after Yeli is a massive support and not a dps

Maybe that will shift the difficulty of endgame

My man looks great too

[rain wagon]

Same happened to tribe nine when they fixed there was none left to play

[mystic wind]

Probs will be. Looks like disorders are mega support units

[keen egret]

lily the wisher new unit trust

[rain wagon]

What is yeli role even

[fair shell]

I doubt hes gonna be a lily-like, he looks more like a bruiser / shielder

[rain wagon]

I call her rng sub dps

[keen egret]

u have leaks dont saw it? and the lily thing was a jk ^^

[fair shell]

Am i even allowed to share it here? Idk if this discord is against leaks

[keen egret]

send dm

then its safer

[fair shell]

Ayyt its sending

[keen egret]

[honest oak]

we know the kit it's a bleed unit

[fair shell]

It also maybe shows a pattern where we get

2 elements
1 dark
1 light
2 elements
Etc

[fair shell]

Whered u find the kit? I only found his pic

Also bleed mechanic? Like in darksouls or? Cus if so, thats like Dots 2.0 basically

[honest oak]

it was posted in here a bunch today

@sonic kite

[keen egret]

i hope not dont want to spend like 500 euros in 1 month only for 2 units xd

[warped obsidian]

Bleed is based on unit atk so it can't scale like dots

[dreamy lodge]

Did they even commit to a patch this week? It seems like c is mostly saying "hopefully something happens soon"

[sonic kite]

Kit was ai generated

That’s prolly why it hadn’t been struck down

[severe copper]

over night patch

for the nerfs

[fair shell]

I decide to skip yeli midway for this boy he better be good

[warped obsidian]

Wait so there are kit leaks or nah?

[dreamy lodge]

Yep 100%, I was just thinking about how I'm sticking around bc of how fun the betas were. If I was a new player coming to this game today, I'd be thinking all the supporters of this game are absolutely insane and must have never played any other game ever, or this is some weird marketing campaign

[keen egret]

yeah

[keen egret]

they should jsut give us lily banner 💀

[keen egret]

@brave oak aged like milk

[fair shell]

I cant find the leaks

[keen egret]

bleed

it seems

[fair shell]

Ye i know but id like to find his kit leaks, wanna see what it says other than bleed

[warped obsidian]

Are you sure this isn't a clip of him being sarcastic

[keen egret]

ah nvm u sended it to me ignore my dumb post xd

[keen egret]

50/50 chance

cause seanb

[tender relic]

Bro ember track and rally soo boring and tedious

[dreamy lodge]

Big on the too little. Lately I'm thinking the biggest issue is really the terrible economy. I have good units, good shells, plenty of pieces to explore, I just can't upgrade enough gear near as quick as needed, so I'm stuck making 0 progress doing the same stage day after day after day

More income deals with the difficulty of stages as all levels. It benefits those lucky enough to be able to clear inferno least, so it'd helps close the gap better than anything

[honest oak]

yeah nerfs to entry inferno stuff tomorrow but idk if thats the actual notes for the week

[dreamy lodge]

Yea the fact I've been conditioned to ignore #official-news bc it's 99% absolutely pointless videos of units is another piece of the "communication failure" puzzle this company seems to want to play

[honest oak]

LOL don't blame you

[honest oak]

yeah i think probably this time next week they should start hitting some of the qol for sure

making changes for the massives to ease the barrier of entry is important but you gotta throw your whales some crumbs too

[dreamy lodge]

I saw your take on the total opposite view of the economy, and I respectfully disagree (but could be wrong). I think you're right from a "let's not ruin PVP balance" view, but I'm focused on a "let's ensure people can get to PVP" view

Plus, you know, getting to upgrade lots of gear makes dopamine go brr, which gets people hooked and keeps them around

[honest oak]

The game will never recover, the gap will become so insurmountable people will just dip and the game will hemorrhage players until EoS

Remember you're talking about players that don't have anything to upgrade lmao

[dreamy lodge]

I think the best hope is they do things so well that player acquisition goes through the roof so that new players (in a future, well balanced game) can dwarf the players who benefited from the terrible designs and those become a tiny % of the population, so the imbalance is diluted

But that's a big dream at this point, and I'm not hopeful

But would love to see it

[honest oak]

I feel the way they are doing it rn probably has the lowest amount of people quitting long run (ideally anyway)

[tame stump]

if they buff the rates now without nerfing inferno

the gap will become like a year lol

[honest oak]

^^^^

[tame stump]

between top players and average players

[honest oak]

like i said there's some streamers with 1500+ pieces of mythic gear

Game is over if things got reduced in costs to upgrade rn

[tame stump]

i think its better this way

average players still has a fighting chance

for this rta season

if they buff drop rates now

they are never competing for a few seasons

minumum

[dreamy lodge]

I didn't mean "inferno nerfs are pointless", just that "without fixes to the economy, this is half a solution"

[tawny holly]

can we fix the silver cost of upgrading module already, im tired of this shit,just burnt through 12m silver for one subpar module

[honest oak]

oh it absolutely is i think that's the entire point

lessen the gap somewhat give the players who have been starved out of inferno to get a little bit of gear then hit the costs

[tame stump]

i mean if they buff inferno drop rates tomorrow

[dreamy lodge]

I was just adding to it bc a lot of the earlier convo was focused on the difficulty, and I didn't want the economy issues to get over shadowed and kept them in the convo

[tame stump]

that is going to increase the gap

not decrease it

how many people can auto rengo inferno

[honest oak]

nah they are 100% directly aware of it

[tame stump]

or aurora inferno

[honest oak]

i was chatting with c last night

them not touching the hard hard stuff rn is just shrinking the gap a little before it's full on open season

[dreamy lodge]

Yea, if anything buff all the other stages, I'd def be like "no not like this at all" if they buffed inferno drops lmao

[grave ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/bromance-new-girl-boom-fist-bump-gif-2254331495024493821

[dreamy lodge]

Hopefully. I do think c is just as in the dark as we are. I don't think they communicate well with him either, but we'll never really know

[grave ingot]

🦮

[tender relic]

Can ember track and rally be not soo boring

[honest oak]

at the risk of pissing people off a little bit who just wanna farm inferno more efficiently this might be a good longterm solution IF the QoL actually comes through within a reasonable timeframe

now if they do this and let us stagnate for too long then they dropped the ball

[rain wagon]

Huh

Who changed the thread name

Lmao

They lost the hope

[honest oak]

he got all salty and changed it

typical me me me attitude

[rain wagon]

List of changes we won't get XD

Now devs have more reason

[tame stump]

kinda funny that

[rain wagon]

To not implement anything

[tender relic]

There eventually come but how long will we have to wait

[tame stump]

they did this despite

a very promising patch

lol

[honest oak]

yeah someone told dude to touch grass lol but nah it should still be coming at least from my impression talking with c

[rain wagon]

I think this month revenue will open the eyes anyway

To devs

Honeymoon is over

[grave ingot]

high amounts of copium for this tbh

id love it

[rain wagon]

This is their first normal month

[warped obsidian]

A lot of the changes this guy suggested suck

Resetting trek and rally would be the worst without sweep

[honest oak]

plus reducing the amount of time in the RTA season

3 months is perfect honestly

especially since they timed their RTA season to end when E7's off season ends

they change that and you'll be having to do both last week climbs in the same week

[spiral stirrup]

idiot)

[warped obsidian]

)

[spiral stirrup]

what are you gonna do in the game with swept floors or city?

[honest oak]

i definitely don't want to do 84 floors of this every 2 weeks thats for sure

[spiral stirrup]

considering 30 days reset time

[spiral stirrup]

same question

[sonic kite]

You’re going to use the saved time to play rta like you’re supposed to

[honest oak]

not be a jobless loser ig

[spiral stirrup]

ahahha)

[warped obsidian]

Farm, do PvP, or not play. I'm a neurotypical adult with a job, friends, and hobbies besides this game

[simple flame]

@spiral stirrup deleted your post ? For what purpose? actually had good changes

[honest oak]

he's crashing out like a child

[tender relic]

?

[honest oak]

typical chronically online behaviour

[spiral stirrup]

cause it's useless - nothing's gonna be implemented

[grave ingot]

[simple flame]

i also have extreme doubts in the game and the devs at this point but deleting the post does nothing

[tender relic]

A lot of people don’t have the patience to wait for the changes and fixes mostly devs the once’s to blame

[simple flame]

im giving it a month or 2 max

then this game is a wash if we're honest

hope the things previously listed are changed

and if not then unlucky and ggs

[tender relic]

From the current state it’s a gg

[honest oak]

honestly that's a far more generous time then i'd expect most to give

[simple flame]

agreed, but im gonna be a little charitable here

[honest oak]

i hope things are fixed by then, if not i'll backburner it and focus on E7

especially since that's smack in the middle of E7WC and Genesis Ras release window

[simple flame]

100%, the game is horrible right now, genuinely a bad game as it stands

but it can change

so we'll see

if it doesnt oh well

[tender relic]

As it slowly changes more and more people will dip

[honest oak]

It's okay though they don't need his actual post anyway there's a bunch of streamer videos on it plus they probably already summarized it themselves

[tender relic]

lol damn

Tbh I would drop this game along time ago

[honest oak]

and yeah but at least with how they did it today i think it has to be like this now since they also have to consider the gear gap (because like i said before too we never should have had 2x in the current gamestate)

cuz contrary to what people think, it's not just f2p walled out of inferno there's def some spenders too

[tardy maple]

with how long software development can take, it's nice to get a quick patch like this in a week tbh. things take time. work takes time

[honest oak]

now if we don't see real progress on the economy issue in 1-2 weeks

[tender relic]

I did the 2x and didn’t get anything good

[honest oak]

we got some big problems

[warped obsidian]

What we're seeing here are 5 minute changes to values in a single or a few files that they should be able to deploy basically instantly

[honest oak]

some people have 1000s of pieces of gear that they currently cannot afford to check

that is literally the only saving grace rn

[tawny holly]

nah i burnt through 12m silver for only 16 module( with good 4 starting subtats) only came out with one piece triple roll crt rate, rest either go triple flat def or other useless substats

[rain wagon]

[grave ingot]

[tender relic]

They need to fix shells

[honest oak]

not gonna lie this is awful, i don't wanna do this every month on my days off

sweep 100% is a must for trek i feel

[tender relic]

The shells are beyond crap

[tawny holly]

on that note i actually get 2 red spd passive shells today, which is my saving grace from uninstalling this game

[tender relic]

I hate doing trek and rally teddies for no reward

[honest oak]

there's way too much variance on the wheel for what is super time consuming content

[tender relic]

I wasted 1.4 m for mediocre passives

[odd wagon]

For the walking levels at least, which are clunky, no challenge whatsoever and serve no purpose but wasting time

[icy quarry]

I swear people don't even want to play the game lol, go play cookie clicker with auto clicker bro

[honest oak]

go deepthroat a cookie how about that

[tawny holly]

have you tried building another shell instead of rerolling passive, and selling the bad ones, that way you dont run out as fast

[honest oak]

game mode is unnecessarily long and people wanna do it 2x a month? nty

[icy quarry]

lool

Then dont play the game? idk man

[tawny holly]

i prefer to do it that way since i have plenty of excess shells anyway

[icy quarry]

I'm critical of the game, but saying you should be able to auto everything, then whats the point?

[tender relic]

Can’t even get a usable shell

I’m trying to get white fang momentum fury

[tawny holly]

use bad matrixes shells first tho, and later when you get the correct passive u can imprint it to good matrixes shells

[tender relic]

Can do hell 4 on all stages

If I do use viper I’m need to skill him up

[tawny holly]

surely you have purple lattice

the games pretty generous for that

[honest oak]

i've already done it, the difference is i want to 1. spend more time actually doing the things i want to do like rta and 2. feel like it doesn't add anything really of substance it's just tedious and bloated content. Rally is fine but the walking levels are tedious af and awful to do on the phone at work meaning it HAS to be when i'm home on a day off

[warped obsidian]

Do you genuinely think running around these levels adds to your experience and is a good use of your time sit the fuck down

[mystic wind]

Bro you rich? How much that cost you?

[tawny holly]

like 200k i think

i reroll shells entirely, not pasives

if i got shit passives i just sell it

and work on another one

you'd have to have stockpiles of shells though

but i find this method way way cheaper, since rerolling passives can cost you millions without even seeing red sometimes

[tender relic]

I see

[warped obsidian]

So you keep the shell with the pip lines you want and then roll other shells for passives to imprint instead of rolling passives directly?

[tawny holly]

EXACLTY

[honest oak]

its what i do too

[warped obsidian]

I can't tell if you're insane, a genius, or both

I guess I never really thought about the cost of rolling 3 new passives on a new shell vs rolling an existing shell

[tender relic]

I really can’t use fury keeneye on diting

Uhhh

I have 3 of it

[tawny holly]

i only upgrade all the way when i get a red passive, saves quite a lot

[warped obsidian]

Makes sense

[honest oak]

i'll also level a shell i want with lesser pips to start rolling the passives to xfer later

[tawny holly]

yeah, more ppl should do it that way tbh

i havent seen it being talked about by the cc i watch

[mystic wind]

👀 hmm I’ll try that out

[honest oak]

like i already have a new shell ready for my holden

just waiting for the right pips

[tawny holly]

yeah thats the bummer for many of my red passive shells, is to get the three right pips to imprint into

[tender relic]

Who should I give to my debuffers

Codex?

Isn’t Halloween better

[warped obsidian]

Depends on the debuffer

Revelation Kazuyo is very funny

[tender relic]

Woah I got this for the first time

[tawny holly]

damn ur lvl 81 already

im still 69

honestly i wouldnt want to level up anymore

[warped obsidian]

Oh hey that's my exact Valerian shell

[tender relic]

50 levels later and I think this is better

[dreamy lodge]

Bro I'm wasting 2m a day, trust 1.4 is going to feel like nothing if you start focusing on passives. I've prob done 10m in the past week

[warped obsidian]

Unquestionably

[tender relic]

1m isn’t much ik

[mystic wind]

Okay I like your method crazy man. It got me red dash on a shit piece I was able to imprint on one of my better ones far cheaper than me rerolling a passive on ones I got built

[dreamy lodge]

Uh, what? You upgrade a shell to 10, then 20 to see the passives instead of reconfiguring? Bc it's cheaper?

@tawny holly

[tawny holly]

lol good on you

[tawny holly]

yeah

[mystic wind]

Yeah it’s nice

You get a good refund back to roll on another piece

[tawny holly]

if you get bad passive you sell it

[mystic wind]

Just make sure you are doing it on your shit matrix pieces

Then imprint on the good matrix ones later if your gamba was good

[dreamy lodge]

It's 30k to reroll a passive, but 56k to take a shell to level 10, and 185k to take a shell to 20

How is that cheaper? I'm so confused @mystic wind

[mystic wind]

You sell the piece

[tawny holly]

90 k to reroll twice

[mystic wind]

Get it back

[dreamy lodge]

What do you get for selling a 20..?

[tawny holly]

or three times i forget the cost

[mystic wind]

173,000

While rolling passives its lost shell currency

[tawny holly]

just try it dude

if you haver excess shells

[dreamy lodge]

You still put in 241k, so you're down 68k to see 2 passives, right?

2 rerolls is 60k, plus the chips (which I have plenty of), so it still seems like a net loss

Am I missing anything? I trust you've done the math, just not seeing how that's better

[tame stump]

for hell shells that sounds plausible

but like

for good inferno shell matrixe

it sounds very difficult to keep selling a trio of matrixes you want to keep

[mystic wind]

That’s assuming you only did 2 rerolls on a passive

[tawny holly]

smh, use bad shells first

[mystic wind]

Which if you got what you want in two rerolls that’s good luck

[scarlet tusk]

Here's a 3 pronged approach to give more time and alleviate some tension. Premise is inferno should have come out after a few months and not so quickly.

1. Lower inferno difficulty to slightly tougher than closed beta levels.

2. Create dante's inferno difficulty, but do not put a new rarity drop. Instead make it drop ascension materials.

3. Release that new dungeon in 3 or so months. It gives yall time to actually read data while not creating a longterm issue with people having easier access to gear now.

This makes hell 4/inferno the place to farm the modules and substats then you grind the materials to upgrade it later. People wont rage since its a direct upgrade as opposed to needing to reroll entirely new substats.

Future content could be made harder but important point is it immediately lowers the pressure valve now while giving yall time to recalibrate for later.

[dreamy lodge]

Upgrading a shell to 20 only let's you see 2 passives, so you have to compare that to what it costs to see 2 passives using reconfigure

You're spending a net 68k to see 2 passives upgrading new shells, but you can see 2 passives for 60k using reconfigure

I might be missing something, but I don't think your way is optimal

[tawny holly]

if you say so

[dreamy lodge]

Lmao am I missing something? I'm looking for a better way, and I want y'all to be right, but I'm not seeing it

[scarlet tusk]

Upgrade trash ones then imprint later

I have more junk shells than anything

[mystic wind]

^

[scarlet tusk]

And sometimes you roll good stuff for something later

Shelf it and move on

[tawny holly]

but i never spent like 2 m daily rerolling passive since i did it, just today i get 2 red spd passive + 1 red crt rate passive, cost me no less than like 500k

[mystic wind]

I get more junk shells than I do currency to roll for a passive

[tawny holly]

i dont have the correct pins to imprint them though, so theyre shelved for now

[scarlet tusk]

The main issue is chasing 3rd slot on final form

[mystic wind]

That’s the part I’d roll on

[tawny holly]

yeah, thats never really a prolem like the second slot, i just get away with like acc or final damage, and would reroll them from time to time

[scarlet tusk]

I gave up on third slot after like 2m of nothing and im juat making as many useable shells as possible.

[mystic wind]

But I’m new to the ad system

And sorta like it more than me rerolling on passives

On a plus note I got a shitty shell I can put on a unit for other content

If I’m waiting for a better one to imprint the passives to

[dreamy lodge]

If you're reconfiguring, the TD is the bottle neck, so you can go through tons of TD, which gives you lots of tries to find good passives

If you can only upgrade shells you have, shells are the bottleneck. Yea, you might not be able to burn millions of TD, but that's bc you're limiting your options

Do what you want, just trying to explain why I don't this is a good strat at all

[tame stump]

fair enough

[scarlet tusk]

Ive made 15 level 40 shells so far

And i still need more

I take any red until all slots full

Then I start rolling until 2/3 good

Some end up perfect quicker than others

But id rather be chasing new shells with higher odds of success than a single last slot

[tawny holly]

This guy gets it

[scarlet tusk]

Dps and opener shells are the ones where third slot matters most

[tawny holly]

Sometimes when you get a bad roll on a shells odds are that shell is going to always roll bad lol

[scarlet tusk]

I have 5 red speeds so far and 3 of them are max

But im a cleaver

So I need it

[mystic wind]

Curious the ratio of you getting more shitty shells to reroll on is vs the currency spent to reroll a passive with a full week or two of farming as the test sample farming the same stage

[tame stump]

module farming for speed rolls there is more efficient atm

[scarlet tusk]

Tbh if you have shells for all your chars then just roll passives

Til then its two birds onr stone

[dreamy lodge]

You mean 15 shells with good 3x3 or 3x3x3 sets, or "any red shell"?

[scarlet tusk]

15 shells most of which are triple red passive.

Some are 9 pip, others not. I only started doing auto hoyan this week and thats where most of my shells are from

Some rengoku

Celince has me at 90% or so on hoyan

Im gonna camp her for about 2 weeks straight then move back to doki

[tawny holly]

I only have 3 3x3x3 maxed red passive shells rn

I dont grind hard enough

[tame stump]

if you are playing a speed based team then only passive that actually matters is 2nd one for speed

others are pretty much a non factor (almost)

speed tuning your modules would be more effective

[dreamy lodge]

Yea this i agree with, but those saying upgrade every single shell to unlock passives instead of just rerolling the 9 pip pieces have not looked into what they're doing

If they can't be conviced, nbd, just don't want others getting bad advice

[scarlet tusk]

Im fairly minmax oriented but after a bad streak changed my method

[tawny holly]

Like honestly, i changed my method too after i spent millions rerolling a passive on one shell

Lol

[scarlet tusk]

Yeah you do both. Upgrading shells is only good for your first few.

I think that gets lost in translation since context matters for everything in a resource management sense

[tawny holly]

It certainly feels leaps better than what i was doing

[scarlet tusk]

This is a game that hard punishes people for taking universal advice

[grave ingot]

true

[dreamy lodge]

Upgrading every shell looking for passives does save reconfigure chips. I think it's 15 to reroll, right? So you're spending 8k TD for 30 chips, which I think is a good deal

But I don't need to trade TD for chips. If anything I'd trade chips for TD

[scarlet tusk]

The biggest value i learned was feeling behind is an illusion when its all a choice in that you get bricked by something right now, but you can choose what

[mystic wind]

That’s sorta where I’m at. Inventory stacked with shells. Currency always low cause I’m rerolling one one passive so seeing your method I was like huh.. lemme switch it up

[scarlet tusk]

My goal is to hit 330 speed on 3 openers

[mystic wind]

It also helps me clean inventory

[tawny holly]

Lmk when you hit the lucky streak to get 2+ red passive in a day

[mystic wind]

I’ll see if I can get another here in a hot minute

[tame stump]

You could also play bruiser and chill

[tawny holly]

I got two red spd, and 1 red crt rate earlier today before i log off after i burn 12m silver for nothing

[scarlet tusk]

Tbh im a cleave/offensive standard player from e7

Its familiar and I like it

I just recognize that im gonna be farming doki until end of service to keep pushing speed lol

[tame stump]

cleave options are a bit scuffed atm but by the time you reach high elo we wil probably have way more options

rc 77, yang and tsukiyomi will be your best bet for openers

yeli >= mass >>> hoyan & rosa >>>>>>> everything else for your dps

[scarlet tusk]

Reality is we are forced into pve right now anyway

By the time we can even make the comps we want a ton of stuff will be out

[tame stump]

i only play pvp pretty much

[scarlet tusk]

I legit reset away from bothering with the RTA tournament despite being top 50 cuz I didn't wanna brick myself just for one tournament

Especially given the issues that exist in it currently, glad I made that decision

[tame stump]

whats your ingame name ?

[scarlet tusk]

Articuno

I haven't bothered with rta in like two weeks

Maybe longer at this point

Getting all the auto farms going is a nightmare

[severe copper]

ssoooo uhhh

how that work with no pity to move the rates

[gray flame]

where did the list go? xD

[warped obsidian]

OP saw they didn't immediately make the reset time for Ember Slog 2 weeks and ragequit while calling everyone idiots

https://tenor.com/view/eyraud-olympique-marseille-branlette-om-gif-19538076

[spiral stirrup]

I just found it pointless to keep this post. Cause the very first nerf they've decided to implement did not even contain proper fix of Infernos. But they are nerfing Trek cause of some whiners.

[warped obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/peep-show-mark-corrigan-wank-wanking-masturbate-gif-4474547

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-salut-salute-soldat-gif-14720803

[spiral stirrup]

God my witness - hope you'd recover from brain damage)

[warped obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/jerk-off-masturbate-jack-off-beat-my-meat-hose-gif-16524449

[minor oak]

just ignore some dumbass in the thread for your own good, for now let's just wait for a week, i will stop to put money on the game until they fix some of what you've listed

[spiral stirrup]

appreciate it, mate) likewise - gonna stop spending for now

[keen egret]

@shy badger @glossy magnet seems u need to look into that i guess its a bit missleading

[honest oak]

https://www.twitch.tv/car_6/clip/SmoggyFlirtyThymeGivePLZ-2aff9ZdX0C9nxARm

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-crossed-arms-pikachu-eyes-closed-pokemon-gif-15194868

[gray flame]

same

[rain wagon]

Bro is farming febian it seems

[worldly maple]

[tender relic]

Hate the game as the days pass

[minor oak]

if devs are that stingy, at least give pity for mythic shell, 5 win should give one at minimum

[hollow lantern]

ISO update. Give us a roadmap on what to expect or your player base will grow to hate you even more. BE VOCAL.

[rain wagon]

Even in xiada event they have us 100 stab

Than pods

[south warren]

I kinda would appreciate if they added a Build Guide for players based from where you are in game

[sonic kite]

They have that tho

It’s in the bottom left side of your character page

Click the book

[worldly maple]

Sorry but I think the info in that is shit cause it composes of the random shit people throw on

Not necessarily the best and recommended gear that you can make

People follow that shit and come wondering why they cant clear Dokidoki with a harvest 8pc fury 8pc

[south warren]

Maybe they need more help ?

[worldly maple]

Yea Ive been helping whoever I see

I helped someone go from not clearing Doki inferno to getting 70% ish winratr ystd

Like they have a dogshit build DPS and shitty ass comp with a grey that had no crit no eff acc so was completely useless

And came in and complained the nerf to Doki did nothing

They still cant clear

Bro your comp sucks

You ran random sets on your DPS

[dreamy lodge]

What's wrong with the xiada example? I don't use her, but those seem like solid recommendations. It's not recommending 8/8. Idk what is so bad about what they're suggesting there

[worldly maple]

Harvest Onsalught is not great for PVE unless youre onshotting

So you need to know why each set works in which way

• if you have def break harvest gets worse

[dreamy lodge]

Fair. Yea could be better for sure

[worldly maple]

Onslaught fury should be standard if you using revelation

[dreamy lodge]

Does it? Did we ever get a damage formula?

[worldly maple]

I tested it myself momentum fury just outright does more if you bave debuffs on them including def break

Cause we dont really have multiplicative sources of damage bonus

Vs momementum harvest

I dont have onslaught fury vs harvest to test cause I dont have triple matrix revelations

However for specific scenarios

Like PVP and Sharon who you cant def break

Harvest does more

[scarlet tusk]

Thoughts on fury keen eye instead? That's what ive been going for

Since I can get atk bonus on other slots

Id rather go for the raw multipliers

But I didnt run the #s

[worldly maple]

The thing is those don't buff revelations

Basically for multi hit

Keeneye sucks

[tender relic]

Was I not suppose to go tank set on grey lol jkjkjk

Real question how good is onslaught on hein if you do build him dps

[sonic kite]

Probably decent cus you’re probably gonna run him on rev

[worldly maple]

PVP or PVE?

PVE is cope

He can't solo DPS any of the inferno farming stages

Kinda pointless

[tender relic]

Pve welp

[tender relic]

So is Heinrich mid as a debuffer

[worldly maple]

No

He's a top tier dispeller and debuff

What does him not doing damage have to do with him being a debuffer

[tender relic]

I seen people use white fang on him

[worldly maple]

Holden is top tier debuffer and he can't be DPS and dispeller at the same time

[tender relic]

Like a hybrid

[worldly maple]

Yea cause White Fang gives swift rush swiftraid

But for PVE dispeller you want them to go first

[tender relic]

Yeah

[worldly maple]

Do you want a half fuck dispeller and DPS

Or good dispeller

I mean it's up to you

Just think for abit

[tender relic]

Mine is at 150acc

I know it kinda low

[worldly maple]

I can't tell you what is the best build for you

Go test and figure it out

I've said it like 60 million times

There's no build it like this and you will clear inferno in 30s build

Kloss Rengoku builds has like 5 different shells

Whether you run Codex, Dark Moon, Alicorn Halloween

Some run Jackal with insane speeds like 330

[tender relic]

Can’t test with no stamina

[worldly maple]

Diting has different builds depending on which boss

Keeneye Harvest Keeneye Fury

Onslaught DPS has different builds whether it's Momentum Fury to focus your own damage or Onslaught to focus on revelation proc damage

I mean if you have no stamina

[tender relic]

I know what sets do don’t gotta tell me

[worldly maple]

Then just slap on a random shell on him and make him dispeller

You have better things to focus on than some cheesy niche build Heinrich

[tender relic]

You need a dispeller for terror and aoura but okay

[worldly maple]

Yea

And you need him to be 264 speed if you want to dispel before terror moves

Can you roll spd gear with those speed stats and still do decent damage?

[tender relic]

Why you trying to be a smart asa bro

[worldly maple]

I'm the smartass for trying to being some weird half fuck build for Heinrich?

I'm telling you literally how it is

You don't want to accept it then build him however you like

[tender relic]

Kid you act like I’m trying to go full on damage on a debuffer

[worldly maple]

Yea like I said

Its half fuck

Because you can't speed to dispel

You can't do damage like a full on DPS

[sonic kite]

Can’t you run 12/6/6 or is that not possible

[worldly maple]

You can but it's not enough

The thing is inferno clearly has a shit ton of eff res

So you need upwards of around 180% ish for reliably debuff landing

Then you want to be faster than your entire team

So there's that

[sonic kite]

Yeah swiftraid swiftsmite swift rush

[worldly maple]

Even with swiftrush swift raid you need still like 2-3 rolls into speed per gear

Then where is your damage coming from?

180% eff acc you need minimally 2 pieces of eff acc main

[tender relic]

It’s called chip damage

[sonic kite]

Oh the damage part I thought we were talking about dispeller

[tender relic]

Nvm talking to this dude is pointless

[sonic kite]

I fear hein was never meant to do damage that you care about

[worldly maple]

It's insignficant damage

That is not worth the resources

Like I said

[sonic kite]

Chip damage won’t change your pve runs

[worldly maple]

You can do what you want

but it's not gonna be 50% clears on inferno to 100% clears on inferno

For the amount of resources you put in

[tender relic]

Sounds like a skill issue at that point

[worldly maple]

Ah yes

The

I lost the argument so I resort to personal attacks

Classic

You were the one that came in asking for opinions on Heinrich as a DPS

People gave it to

It didn't validate your wants which was to build Heinrich as a DPS

Then now you throw a tantrum

[tender relic]

If you build a character with mediocre modules I bet it would be 50% wr

[worldly maple]

Yes

But do you have the gear to do it right now?

Are you gonna roll DPS swift gear for Heinrich over rolling to get more spd on your supports?

Or actual DPS gear for more damage on your DPS?

Like I said you can do it

It's just not worth it

[tender relic]

I’m looking for suggestions for the future when I do decide to build him

[worldly maple]

Then you go try it out

Cause most people who tried it

Came back and say it's mediocre

And they aren't gonna go and invest 20m to roll modules just for abit of increase

[tender relic]

Are they use 0 skill up if that’s the case no dirp

[worldly maple]

No

5/5/5

[tender relic]

What’s there build

[worldly maple]

Swiftrush Swiftraid Momentum

You need the speed

Otherwise he's useless as a dispeller

[tender relic]

Why you using momentum

[worldly maple]

I said it already

Why not

He applies debuffs by himself

Momentum with 3 debuffs beats all the other sets by alot

[tender relic]

You do know that you need 4-5 debuffs to out perform keeneye?

[sonic kite]

Cus you wanted him as a dps

Hein is multi hit anyways so keen isn’t even that good for him

[sonic kite]

Isn’t this impossible

[tender relic]

With momentum your only getting 12% damage

[sonic kite]

Unless you’re doing 8 swiftrush

[worldly maple]

Hein does 3 hits of 100% so Keeneye is meh

[sonic kite]

Since swiftrush and momentum is 12/12

[worldly maple]

Yea but Heinrich is not a burst DPS he's a sustained DPS

[tender relic]

Oh yeah

[worldly maple]

You only get 25% on the 100% hit

Momentum applies on all the hits

Including his S2 which is also 3 hits

He in his own kit already has 3 debuffs

Not counting extra debuffs from the team

Which you would have

Def break

If you're in a PVE setting

Momentum is superior

Cause he doesn't run revelation

Revelation doesn't have swiftrush

[worldly maple]

Yes

[sonic kite]

Don’t listen to this guy run revelation 👹👹

[worldly maple]

Because like I said if you dispeller is not going before your debuffers

He's useless

Then you just build him as DPS straight

Then his kit is useless cause he won't apply shit in inferno due to the eff res

Then as DPS you use revelation cause he's just an attack count bot

Heinrich as DPS is viable in PVP

In PVE the gear requirements are way too high for him to contibute meaninfully

You need 4 perfect stat roll gears on all pieces

Otherwise you're not hitting the speed requirement as a dispeller

[tender relic]

I might just go swift swift smite and swift raid so he goes first

[worldly maple]

Or you're not hitting the eff acc required for inferno

[sonic kite]

No dmg then but then again you wouldn’t want him for dmg anyways

Which was what I said earlier

[worldly maple]

You can't do that

That's not possible

[tender relic]

What other alternative for terror then if he’s soo bad

[worldly maple]

He's not bad

Just use him as a dispeller

[sonic kite]

Holden

[worldly maple]

FFS

[tender relic]

How is that impossible

[worldly maple]

He is amazing as a dispeller

You clearly haven't gotten inferno drops

Because

Sec

[tender relic]

Sorry I don’t have every 5 star in the game

[worldly maple]

You can only equip 1 6pc set

You can't swiftraid and swiftsmite

It's impossible

[sonic kite]

Fair

[tender relic]

I know Holden is better

[sonic kite]

It’s ok to not have Holden

[worldly maple]

Holden is better for DoT

And that's meta

[sonic kite]

I didn’t know that

[worldly maple]

That's why he is "better"

[sonic kite]

Good to know

[worldly maple]

But if you're not running DoT

Heinrich is functionally the same

Last word is a huge damage buff too

[tender relic]

Dot is meta I didn’t know dot was meta?

[sonic kite]

I like Holden better cus he’s tanker but yeah Heinrich buffs dmg a lot more

[tender relic]

That’s crazy

[worldly maple]

DoT is the lowest gear requirement inferno farming comp

You just need eff acc and tankiness

[sonic kite]

They’re being sarcastic

[tender relic]

Holden has better debufffs

[sonic kite]

Ehhhh

[worldly maple]

Not necessarily

[sonic kite]

They are nice debuffs tho

[worldly maple]

Heinrich dispels on every hit

So he can always strip the def buff

Holden strips once every 4 turns which I guarantee you will be longer than it takes for the right arm to reapply the def buff

I tested it myself

[tender relic]

Holden seems more safer

[worldly maple]

My Holden is 270 spd

[sonic kite]

If you don’t like running Heinrich as a pure dispeller I suppose you could use red Kazuyo

[worldly maple]

You don't have Holden

So suck it up and use Heinrich

Otherwise do whatever you want I guess

I don't get why you shill Holden when you don't have it

You need a dispeller

You have Heinrich

Use him

You other option is Mizuki Makoto

[tender relic]

I was already planning on using Heinrich from the start of conversation?

[worldly maple]

And unless you want to build her

[sonic kite]

If you want you can also use mia

[worldly maple]

Mia is not a turn 1 dispeller

[sonic kite]

True

[tender relic]

Was looking for sr alternatives for terror

[worldly maple]

Your only options for Terror not off element

[tender relic]

I know viper is good for auora

[worldly maple]

Is Holden Heinrich Mizuki Makoto

Cause the others are blue

And you have eff acc down

[sonic kite]

Sr dispellers are

[worldly maple]

So it becomes iffy

[sonic kite]

Not that great for terror

[tender relic]

What about Veronica is she meh

I’m lacking in lattices

[worldly maple]

Why

Just Heinrich

[tender relic]

Wym

[worldly maple]

As in for Terror right?

Hein is just superior

[tender relic]

Doesn’t he need skill ups

[worldly maple]

No

Skill up for what

[sonic kite]

Veronika works too from what I hear

[worldly maple]

His dispel works on every hit he does

[sonic kite]

You run her in the diting khloros comp

[worldly maple]

It's a passive

[tender relic]

Don’t got kloros

Yeah

[sonic kite]

If you have Heinrich you don’t really need any other dispeller

[worldly maple]

He has a super high chance to dispel cause multi hit and every hit can dispel

[tender relic]

I have kloss and after I skill up Lilly I skill her up

Yeah

[worldly maple]

Kloss is low priority to skill

But you do you

[tender relic]

What shell do you suggestion codex white feng or jackal on him and should I go triple acc or crit rate 2x acc I kinda like 1 crit rate on him

[sonic kite]

Minimum 2 eff acc

[tender relic]

Who is priority

[worldly maple]

Your DPS

[sonic kite]

Otherwise expect not to dispel buffs in inferno

[tender relic]

Xiada max already

[worldly maple]

DPS for Terror?

[tender relic]

Bessie’s her I got hoyan

[worldly maple]

Lingluo

Cause you need her S1 max for Inferno Aurora

[tender relic]

My diting is max

Linguo s1 done

[worldly maple]

Which other units do you have?

[tender relic]

Lilly s1 and s2 done

[worldly maple]

I guess Kloss is fine then

[tender relic]

There kinda ehh

[worldly maple]

Alternatively

Save it until you need it

Cause Kloss doesn't need skill ups

Farming cooldown issues you can solve with Timeweaver Halloween or Codex for double ult in Rengoku

Or Darkmoon for longer debuffs

[tender relic]

I’m trying to farm codex for kazuyo and kloss

[worldly maple]

Lattice is rare enough that I would always keep 4 on spare

[tender relic]

Makes sense

[worldly maple]

Kazuyo doesn't need codex

Unless you sure you can 100% one shot every wave

Because Kazuyo with codex

If you miss the one shot

[tender relic]

I have jackal on her

[worldly maple]

The run is fucked

Since you need to wait 3 turns for ult on wave 2

[tender relic]

I use xiada for doki doki

[worldly maple]

That's alot of chances to get stunned or oneshot

I personally prefer Jackal or gigabyte

For Kazuyo in Doki

[tender relic]

Problem is with Lilly she already gives speed buff

[worldly maple]

Yea but there's a downtime

[sonic kite]

Halloween timeweave

[worldly maple]

Jackal is 100% up

[worldly maple]

This has same problem with Jackal

You reset too much

You end up not having it on wave 2

Xiada comps more often than not cannot oneshot the wave

[tender relic]

I can 2 or 3 shot wave

[worldly maple]

Yea then you don't run codex on Kazuyo

Cause 2-3 shot is perfect for Kazuyo's cooldown to enter wave 2 with ult

[tender relic]

Idk how consistent it is

Sometimes she will ult a enemy with no hp

[sonic kite]

I’ll eventually switch to jackal when I get a 3/3 swift timeweave

[worldly maple]

Yea but codex means you will always ult twice on wave 1

Then your ult goes on cooldown

It depends you need to check how much DPS you have

You can build one and test it out

[tender relic]

For who kazu?

[worldly maple]

You need to build at least 2 copies of codex anyways

[tender relic]

Yeah

[worldly maple]

Yes

Codex is just good

[tender relic]

It only 3 turns her cooldown low

[worldly maple]

Yea but thats three turns to be stunned and def down and chain comboed on wave 2

[tender relic]

I think I should be able to 2 turn first wave

Don’t forget kloss s2 knocks people back

I’m using momentum on xiada

I just seen a lot of people use it

If it doesn’t work I could just switch back

Also this is my hein on jackal

Swift time reave

Should I swap jackal for white fang?

[worldly maple]

I mean do you have a swiftraid module?

With eff acc

[tender relic]

I can just farm it

Eventually I’ll get it

[worldly maple]

Yea but then

Why change now

Change when you get it

[tender relic]

I mean for later

Of course not now I don’t have the white fang levels up lol

[south warren]

Could I get some advice for Teams and modules ?

[crimson sandal]

Ask in the main channel bro...

[broken moth]

Read through a lot of the earlier part of the thread. As a casual player that's hit numerous walls in progression and poor summon luck with roster, I've felt the realization that I'll never catch up to those players with stronger starts and thus, feel just as unmotivated to even do the other PvE content in the game, much less any form of PvP. I struggle to find a reason to not quit and keep playing the game, but seeing others in here feel the same struggles as I do feels somewhat cathartic.

Everyone else has shared their thoughts about the developer feedback, but I don't think there's a way to fix how the game was fundamentally designed to be a massive grindfest with leaderboards. If a lot more of the playerbase feels similarly to me, the game's only going to turn into whales fighting other whales. Maybe that's all XD wants but that's not for me