#Buff Yeli

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flint canyon
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and then youve got mr prdywen himself over here lol

silver lynx
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you can maybe argue that she's top 3 not top 1, but BAD? I'm sorry, no way.

shadow sage
dusky scroll
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unfortunately: i lack 12 lattices to actively try her right now

the solution: I have a friend with good modules and shells trying her and telling me that she's quite strong, and then other people who've tried her also saying the same

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it's mixed though because some people try her and don't like her, some try her and go apeshit

flint canyon
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hasnt built the character

wind oasis
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forget that def break and steal that wont come into play on hard pve content and pvp her kit isnt great at all. Best she can do is like rosa cleave in pvp

flint canyon
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lectures on how good it is

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lmfao

dusky scroll
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lol

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unfortunately I don't have her ready to go yet xdx

flint canyon
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literal clownshow in here

silver lynx
wind oasis
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if she would cleanse hersefl ina passiv it would be rly good for pvp

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to get rid of stuns etc

spare drift
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hey but she still has the highest dmg ceiling, the dev’s intention is for you to manually reset inferno stages until you hit at .001%

silver lynx
dusky scroll
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if she could cleanse herself as a passive how in the hell could you potentially stop her from killing someone the moment she gets a turn lol

flint canyon
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2 people without the character built - shes amazing, 3 people with the character - meh

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LOL

silver lynx
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She has like 40% chance to steal buffs EVERY TURN at 0% accuracy

wind oasis
dusky scroll
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all research must be done yourself or it is useless information

flint canyon
dusky scroll
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nobody has ever learned from someone else

flint canyon
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this entire thread started as whales saying she wasnt that good

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and people without her

wind oasis
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shes not usless dont get me wrong shes jsut mid for a product that cost 3X more that needs 11 lattice to be on paar with SR or SRR rgb units that can do the job better on specific content. She might be better in sharon thou which is at least smt.

dusky scroll
flint canyon
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yeah shes amazing

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lmfao

dusky scroll
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u know the op said that this thread was a troll thread right

flint canyon
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lmfao

silver lynx
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She does 2.85 hits on average. 1 - (0.85)^(2.85) = 40%ish iirc

dusky scroll
valid belfry
wind oasis
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we can still talk about it its not like we lie XD she is indeed mid

dusky scroll
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ok so noted if you can money spread harder than someone else your opinion is automatically more correct

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👍

wind oasis
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but i wouldnt force for changes just heads up for anyone who want to pull her

little cliff
flint canyon
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good rebuttal nuparu

valid belfry
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Oh, this thread. No, Yeli doesn't need a buff. She's already versatile and strong enough - anything more and she would be powercreeping stuff.

Her only issue is that people try her without leveled skills, because then yes, she is kinda bad. She's basically Rosa pro max - wants all your Lattice.

flint canyon
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about as braindead as it gets lol

valid belfry
silver lynx
wind oasis
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well than you msut have the msot broken gear

dusky scroll
flint canyon
wind oasis
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w.e it is shes mid i would say dont pull her if you are on the fence.

valid belfry
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And we did calcs and compared her to others. She deals a bit less damage on average than Rosa, but she's Yellow so you can use her anywhere.

I actually like the devs giving us another option instead of releasing a new shiny DPS that deals 30% more damage than older DPS.

silver lynx
valid belfry
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Also, test server is not a thing anymore.

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We do live testing like everyone else.

flint canyon
valid belfry
flint canyon
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ok...so again, how are you comparing the units lol

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as it stands now, it is just arbitray meaningless numbers

signal minnow
valid belfry
flint canyon
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so you dont actually have a structured benchmark lmao

valid belfry
flint canyon
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jesus i already thought the site was a joke

silver lynx
flint canyon
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now i know it is lol

valid belfry
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Check tier list criteria maybe. Should help with understanding how things are done.

silver lynx
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@valid belfry how do you calc massiahs def bypass btw? Cause I'm 99% sure its very different from def break

valid belfry
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1000 def x 70% shred x 30% shred
1000 x (1-70%) x (1-30%)
210

silver lynx
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hmmmmmmm, I got very different results

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like very very different

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but they're homemade tests

valid belfry
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That's why we were doing like 300-400 sample sizes when testing the formula.

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As in every interaction.

silver lynx
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is it automated?

valid belfry
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nope

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it took us like 2 weeks to find the damage formula

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with 4 people working on it

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and gathering data

silver lynx
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Daaamn, thats sick. Good shit

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I'll test again to see if Im crazy, I might have used wrong multipliers of maxed massiah by accident

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Thanks for the info

valid belfry
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Damage calculator is also in the works, so you can just pick a character, change the stats, pick enemy stats etc

young nymph
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I have the guy you're all arguing with blocked because he's a boring simp for this game's bullshit RNG event design so this whole argument looks very funny on my screen

silver lynx
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Are you guys ever gonna publish the formulas publicly btw?

valid belfry
shadow sage
silver lynx
silver lynx
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So S1 dmg with def break * 1.4545 = s3 dmg (per hit)

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But in my tests s3 was hitting for MUCH less. Like way past variance range

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70% of the value it should be with this calc on a random anysinc boss

valid belfry
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I will talk with my calc guy

silver lynx
shadow sage
peak spear
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dorodoro high of an expectation for L/D SSR

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but agreed, i like the approach though not powercreeping

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but i still hold strong. i think that buff steal chance on s1 need to be buffed

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30% is kinda too small on a dps char that cant rly buildup acc well

flint canyon
peak spear
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gotta have a functional / decently reliable side utility, instead of just dmg dealer. FrogeCryWorry

dusky scroll
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so she kind of suffers from 'i cant unlock all my potential due to the fact that im shoehorned into this specific shell because it's just way stronger than the rest'

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same logic with rosa lmao, she'd probably benefit just as much from it but revelation exists so that's not an option

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(although 10% more on the steal couldn't hurt anyone... or maybe 20%...)

peak spear
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i think her strip works decently on some other contents with golden lion and yea the extra stats from shell.

its just that

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inferno crazy effect resist

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with that 100% accuracy buildup

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its not significant at all 😄

dusky scroll
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yeah, for inferno i'd imagine you'd take her in specifically because her burst damage is very good

peak spear
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yea i think so

dusky scroll
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and then in other content, maybe play around the ramping stats and such

peak spear
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it will be cool if she can perform some utility at it

valid belfry
silver lynx
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On the S3 turns its less, but anyway

peak spear
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wanna move 3 times with s1 starter to steal "a" buff 😮

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unless, i guess as nuparu mentioned. on inferno. she just act as pure dps. with probably def break as some utility when its available.

next bay
pale viper
peak spear
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from pyrdwen 😮

valid belfry
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Basically Yeli is a slightly 'worse' Rosa DPS wise, but she makes up for it being Constant, so you can use where where you want.

peak spear
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im scared of her unstable RNG on inferno K9_Kitchen_A8_Doge_Hehe

valid belfry
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Both have the same issue though - they want to eat all your lattices.

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If you have an invested Rosa already, you don't need Yeli.

pale viper
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Would be nice if they had units we could get hype for, maybe the next one 😦

valid belfry
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Like they had two options:

  • Devs make Yeli OP and everyone cries that the first new LD is stronger than other DPS,
  • Devs make Yeli balanced and some people cry that she should be stronger.

Literally no win scenario here for them. Still, they did say that future banner/characters will be made with horizontal investment in mind and not just numbers go brr where new DPS is old DPS with +20% more DPS.

next bay
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Thats pretty good tbh if power creep is slowed down for a ibt

pale viper
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I don't envy them. Kinda hard when stupid shit like shadow sania exists and it was obvious diting was mega overtuned early on and they would either have to powercreep like crazy or take it kind of chill

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But still, LDs should outperform standard units for sure

dusky scroll
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imo since ALL rosa can do is deal damage, i feel like she should be pretty strong at it esp since she has the crippling weakness of 'if you take her into wind you will get your cheeks clapped'

i think yeli being just a bit under in sustained while being strong st burst and playable everywhere is already pretty nice to have

young nymph
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I think if she released into a healthier overall game state the banner would be a bullseye

urban stirrup
dusky scroll
urban stirrup
dusky scroll
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i'm going to use yeli personally (12 lattices later deadge ) with khloros and dinah to absolutely murder hobo terrormatron inferno

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i will try this in aurora too but will probably fail because my modules are not quite like that yet but if it works it will be glorious

urban stirrup
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khloros is one of those few unit I dont own so I wont be able to try this out. But Im more interested into the making of a team to murder aurora as Im having trouble with that boss :p

dusky scroll
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my guildmate told me his yeli did 40% of the bosses health turn 1 with revelation lmao

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that sounds hella cooked so yeah

plain quiver
urban stirrup
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wich set is your guildmate using on her ?

dusky scroll
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revelation fury swiftraid

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er

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momentum fury swiftraid

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hes a god damn sacker 🙄

urban stirrup
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momentum and fury I can do. For the third set I have to keep farming. Im not that far atm :p

mortal vault
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PvP ☠️

flint canyon
# mortal vault PvP ☠️

youre having rounds go 3+ turns and she's stiill alive to use revelation again? tf is this silver? lol

mortal vault
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Ok buddy

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☠️

flint canyon
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guess you cant buy brains in madness 💀

mortal vault
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Ya were in silver

pearl zealot
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Raz is iron

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Bro loses to bots

flint canyon
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so tectone?

pearl zealot
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Worse

winter flower
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im glad shes not op, my wallet is saved

halcyon steppe
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i love the roster viability in this game

dusky scroll
halcyon steppe
dusky scroll
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coming from summoners war i had like hundreds of nat5s and i think in guild content i mostly used natural 4*s (SR equivalents) lmao

halcyon steppe
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they get angry if someone read a kit of a lower rarity unit and beat them with it

winter flower
halcyon steppe
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grandy did it

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for 99% of content

winter flower
halcyon steppe
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but people legit get upset with SRs being good in this game

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its wild

winter flower
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imagine they block massiah and lily for some content, hes done

dusky scroll
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wait dont do that i rely on massiah for a lot since hes constant element

halcyon steppe
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why does hard astarte do 40k dmg in one turn through atk down + 20% dmg mitigation

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this is so fucking stupid

winter flower
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I dont have massiah SadgeJuice

dusky scroll
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i saw his kit, read "ignores 70% defense" and "ignores passives" and was like yep my time has come

next bay
halcyon steppe
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what they took from me

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last night

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what i said after this kept getting automodded here fist

soft dew
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Nah she needs s3 maxed to keep up with revelation

kindred zenith
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Unless her ulti has the attack nodes?

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even then you really dont need it to cap revelations damage

soft dew
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Idk why we are so pressed about needing 12 lattice. Literally every dps in the game needs it

kindred zenith
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S1 is a good chunk of damage but its 10-15%; nice to have, but level 1 S1 rosa is still rosa

kindred zenith
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I'm not sure about yeli

soft dew
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It’s barely been 14 hours

kindred zenith
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The only reason I even brought up lattice eco is because someone said both rosa and yeli needed full lattices and I said rosa didnt need all 3 skills maxxed

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anyways im gone

soft dew
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It’s not rage bait

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It’s literally the truth

young nymph
young nymph
kindred zenith
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her basic is still 3 hits on the target

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not worth 5 lattices

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also yeah its confusing me too

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because random people keep replying like 5 hours after its over

young nymph
kindred zenith
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AoE is nice but they were saying you "need" to have S3 maxed

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which is just wrong

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need would imply the unit doesn't function w/o it

young nymph
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Depends on how widely you're trying to use her and in what content I guess

minor drift
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Woahhh drama?

pearl zealot
wind sentinel
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need buff

twilit swallow
wind sentinel
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(if you have lily)

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which i feel like if you are building rosa you most likely have lily cause they're so synergized

buoyant current
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You maxed her dupes? That’s a lot of cash spent. Lol

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That’s a bit extreme, sheesh.

sour rain
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Hi everybody , i think YeLi have problem , skill 3 does not increase critical and remove debuff before attacking but the opposite

royal iris
worthy depot
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No joke, imho she actually needs it.

novel thorn
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Just update some thing, did yeli got buff ?pepethinking

sour rain
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@royal iris for example like this, when using skill 3 in case she is affected by attack reduction effect, if she increases critical and clean after attacking then the damage will be reduced

vast folio
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Yeli skill 3 should also purify silence right? But she doesn’t on rengo inferno.

wind oasis
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its not a passiv

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you have to use skill 3 to cleanse which is impossible if you are silenced, stunned etc.

raw tide
soft dew
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It gives the crit before the damage wdym

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If you have proof of otherwise then show it

inner warren
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upon trying her out she excels more on PVP than on PVE

leaden zenith
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should just let her FUA on any attacks and move on

shadow sage
gentle linden
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That’s why the thread exists

leaden zenith
gentle linden
leaden zenith
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Let her proc her S1 on Lily/Battlewill like it should and let it ride

gentle linden
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You mean pros her s2

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Proc**

leaden zenith
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You right

flint canyon
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"shes best in pve AND pvp"

leaden zenith
flint canyon
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gotta ask grandy

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if he says hes okay with it

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theyll do it

leaden zenith
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Grandy will just make his Yeli account

clever solstice
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Grandy said he doesn’t care for yeli lol he’s in my union

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He wants cool looking dudes haha

sharp parcel
halcyon steppe
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shes my dog now

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now apates is railing me

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terrorist boss

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she does the 30k st dmg after fully stripping all buffs and gaining 300k hp shield

leaden zenith
dry frost
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does effect accuracy increase her chance to steal buffs?

dry frost
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ty good sir

hazy oracle
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Buff Yeli so she have 100% hit 4 FUA

wind eagle
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I think yeli is pretty damn good already

astral turtle
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yeah she needs a little...tuning. kinda underwhelming for an Light unit

kindred zenith
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Honestly she just feels like an RGB

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solid in most content, but not really notable in any one particular category

sour rain
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@soft dew it deals damage then increases critical?

soft dew
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Either way, she does have the buffs before the damage

gentle linden
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Maybe because you’re doing it on 1x speed

sour rain
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@soft dew Freya is just like the skill description, increase attack then deal damage, only yeli is wrong, after dealing damage then increase critical

soft dew
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Watch my replay of how it works

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It’s multiple replays from speed clears

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All works as it says

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You can even see yeli full critting on your replay

soft dew
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It pops up instantly in every replay

sour rain
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@soft dew maybe, it's a display error. because your video is different, she increases crit first then deals damage, my video is the opposite. about her dealing crit damage like in my video, it's still not possible to determine if she increases crit before dealing damage, because my yeli's crit is 100% basic

quiet yacht
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do we know if lily triggers yeli's FUA's?

soft dew
quiet yacht
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not gonna bother pulling then, what a disappointment

soft dew
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Asking support rn if it’s intended since Lily pulls Rosa

quiet yacht
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its a massive L if that doesnt get changed, shes just rosa but LD and less good

gentle linden
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Ofc it’s intended

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Lily pulls yeli she just doesn’t proc her s2

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I bet there’s hidden text in coding that makes it only proc on her turn

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Or some wording with what qualifies as an active skill

soft dew
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Their response is just "kekw"

gentle linden
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Summon jack

soft dew
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What does that even mean

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It's a passive

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How can you actively activate a passive

gentle linden
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Just summon jack bro

soft dew
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Nah it's fine

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I'm waiting for balance patch when they buff her frfr

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At this point they should just add "on her turn"

feral bane
soft dew
gentle linden
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Glad this isn’t my problem because I don’t have yeli

tawny lynx
soft dew
dry frost
soft dew
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You can see Freya’s attack buff is still 2 turns at the end of her turn

feral bane
dry frost
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I just tested it myself and she applied the buff before S3 so I'm not sure about the video

sour rain
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@soft dew I don't understand why your yeli video shows differently than mine

soft dew
polar dune
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get a yeli that's just over 70% total cr

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see if you always crit on ult shots or not

lofty swan
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Oh god

young nymph
gentle linden
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That’s not what customer support said tho dorodoro

young nymph
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It is, if you parse their poor English

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Actively activated = via an active skill, AKA using her 1 or 3 on her turn

wind oasis
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i mean as if we assume her to activate s2 on her own without attacking thats jsut stupid

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all her skills trigger her s2 that reply is troll

young nymph
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I'm not sure what any of that means

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It's pretty clear from their keyword "active" that she's working as intended and not supposed to work with Lily though

soft dew
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Bro won the lottery

wind eagle
hazy oracle
desert bough
next bay
wind eagle
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1+6 potential

ivory shadow
wind eagle
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so something else is causing the damage to change

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union boss gets DR with hp lost iirc

shadow sage
young nymph
manic linden
jaunty trellis
manic linden
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IDK how to see if he work with passive

jaunty trellis
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it doesnt

manic linden
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Maybe was better fury + momentum Shell?

soft dew
jaunty trellis
soft dew
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Is it? Thought the extra damage on revelation and the other shots would be better

jaunty trellis
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keeneye with atk bonus x1 and crit dmg x2 on right side, since rosa and yeli get 30% crit buff, 70% is easy to get

soft dew
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Isn't keeneye the crit damage? Thought momentum gives crit rate

jaunty trellis
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yup! more crit dmg

desert bough
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onslaught is better than keeneye specifically for revelation abuse since it scales your revelation damage higher.

next bay
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I preferred Momentum vs Keeneye tbh

muted storm
# next bay

How are those dmg stats even achievable…

winter flower
muted storm
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Cuz it just looks insane

next bay
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I actually got to farm Terror Inferno late since I didn't have a stripper and didn't pull/build Holden til later. Niconana was a different story

next bay
novel thorn
next bay
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But generally around this speed

next bay
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When I max Yeli S1 at reset she'll be 4k atk hopefully

novel thorn
next bay
novel thorn
muted storm
next bay
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When are they gonna buff Yeli

solemn bluff
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Some of you must not be building or investing in her well. Revelation, onslaught and fury . 70% crit rate to 300 to 350 crit damage or more with a fury edge piece. There is no way she is bad. Plus in PvP she is a monster. But you must 4/5/5 her. Her rng play is THE ANNOYING PART THOUGH

soft dew
spring robin
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YELI is Waifu 🙏

solemn bluff
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Guys apparently there is a yeli bug where she is not cleanse before the attack but cleansing after attacked

next bay
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On a serious note, I haven't seen that bug

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What debuff was on her?

solemn bluff
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Needs to fixed asap

next bay
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Ah so it goes crit rate buff => cleanse => hit

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Similar to Wound screwing over Amber because it goes Heal => Cleanse

solemn bluff
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They need to fix this shit. It’s ridiculous

next bay
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I wonder if this is intended to make certain debuffs valuable or atleast make the order clear

solemn bluff
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Nope it wasn’t like that before

next bay
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There was some bug with Amber that they fixed

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And I guess it broke other things Kek

solemn bluff
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Bruh with the investment into yeli they must fix that shit asap

dark radish
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Well huge patch should be in 11 /12 day's

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lets see what they cook for the community its either huge W or BigL for everyone

muted marlin
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she's strong in bed, i'm telling u

slow lily
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yall think yeli is weak???

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Yeli is OP

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pls no yeli buffs

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just keep her as she is

spring robin
tame night
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Buff her as well.

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30% steal to 50% ty

round zealot
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Need yeli s3 work with s2 😄

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No need anything else

next bay
gentle linden
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Not enough tbh they should make her s2 work with any crit hit

slow lily
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please no

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I don't want Lily is get any stronger

next bay
slow lily
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D:

twin crag
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yeli s3 now will eos the game

dusky scroll
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did someone say lily buffs

distant harness
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Lily nerf

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Viktor buff

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Yeli slight adjustment

dusky scroll
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lily is awesome she reminds me of the sylvia i could never pull in sw Copege

distant harness
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I mean

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if you look at usage in pve yeah

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pvp prob tsuki nerf

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or doki

dusky scroll
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i doubt anyone gets nerfed too harshly before bloodbath and revelation get looked at

distant harness
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nerf bb rev

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buff battlewill

dusky scroll
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otherwise most units seem to be relatively balanced id say

pearl zealot
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Why are we still in this thread?

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I made it as rage bait