#Buff Yeli
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you can maybe argue that she's top 3 not top 1, but BAD? I'm sorry, no way.
@valid belfry's here?
unfortunately: i lack 12 lattices to actively try her right now
the solution: I have a friend with good modules and shells trying her and telling me that she's quite strong, and then other people who've tried her also saying the same
it's mixed though because some people try her and don't like her, some try her and go apeshit
hasnt built the character
forget that def break and steal that wont come into play on hard pve content and pvp her kit isnt great at all. Best she can do is like rosa cleave in pvp
literal clownshow in here
ad hominem for the 15th time this thread, sigh
if she would cleanse hersefl ina passiv it would be rly good for pvp
to get rid of stuns etc
hey but she still has the highest dmg ceiling, the dev’s intention is for you to manually reset inferno stages until you hit at .001%
why doesnt it come into play in pve? half chance is still huge
if she could cleanse herself as a passive how in the hell could you potentially stop her from killing someone the moment she gets a turn lol
2 people without the character built - shes amazing, 3 people with the character - meh
LOL
She has like 40% chance to steal buffs EVERY TURN at 0% accuracy
the def you can get from other sources if you play her as your dps. And the steal is 20/30% in inferno you need over 100% acc to havea sniff
my fault i forgot that having my friend tell me that she's doing quite well isn't useful either
all research must be done yourself or it is useless information
you mean while the whales are saying shes lackluster?
nobody has ever learned from someone else
this entire thread started as whales saying she wasnt that good
and people without her
shes not usless dont get me wrong shes jsut mid for a product that cost 3X more that needs 11 lattice to be on paar with SR or SRR rgb units that can do the job better on specific content. She might be better in sharon thou which is at least smt.
just because you spend money doesn't make you an amazing player?
i've met people who spent 20k in summoners war who were absolute buffoons who owned a lot of units what does money spreading have to do with it
it's 30% at max
u know the op said that this thread was a troll thread right
op isnt a whale
lmfao
She does 2.85 hits on average. 1 - (0.85)^(2.85) = 40%ish iirc
What's up
we can still talk about it its not like we lie XD she is indeed mid
ok so noted if you can money spread harder than someone else your opinion is automatically more correct
👍
but i wouldnt force for changes just heads up for anyone who want to pull her
People unironically have opinions like that sadly
ok so 2 people without the character built are saying its good, while 20+ ive met say shes mid 👍
good rebuttal nuparu
Oh, this thread. No, Yeli doesn't need a buff. She's already versatile and strong enough - anything more and she would be powercreeping stuff.
Her only issue is that people try her without leveled skills, because then yes, she is kinda bad. She's basically Rosa pro max - wants all your Lattice.
about as braindead as it gets lol
we have her max buddy
Same.
Can I take the opportunity and ask you something random about prydwen calcs?
well than you msut have the msot broken gear
okay so she was tested early, a bunch of people have already stated that they don't have max skilled when i ask and then complain that she's not great not to mention featuring amazing things like keeneye on a multi hitter
👍
they have test server gear lmao
w.e it is shes mid i would say dont pull her if you are on the fence.
And we did calcs and compared her to others. She deals a bit less damage on average than Rosa, but she's Yellow so you can use her anywhere.
I actually like the devs giving us another option instead of releasing a new shiny DPS that deals 30% more damage than older DPS.
doesnt chance calcs as much as you think
so then how are you comparing units you wrote a dps tier list on that started in test servers to live ones?
Hmm? The tier list was updated like 10 times already since launch. To adjust things to release meta.
ok...so again, how are you comparing the units lol
as it stands now, it is just arbitray meaningless numbers
how about her overall performance in inferno as a solo dps? wdyt
I am a whale. I have all units (but Heinrich) and Prydwen has 3-4 more whales, so we can easily compare stuff.
so you dont actually have a structured benchmark lmao
Still being tested.
jesus i already thought the site was a joke
Have you ever calced anything yourself? its all multipliers in most cases, you dont even need the units. only tough part is optimizing gear
now i know it is lol

Check tier list criteria maybe. Should help with understanding how things are done.
@valid belfry how do you calc massiahs def bypass btw? Cause I'm 99% sure its very different from def break
Def shred and ignore work the same in this game. As in they fit in the same place in the formula - the enemy DEF part.
1000 def x 70% shred x 30% shred
1000 x (1-70%) x (1-30%)
210
hmmmmmmm, I got very different results
like very very different
but they're homemade tests
There's 5% dmg variance in this game so keep that in mind.
That's why we were doing like 300-400 sample sizes when testing the formula.
As in every interaction.
what the fuck LMAO
is it automated?
nope
it took us like 2 weeks to find the damage formula
with 4 people working on it
and gathering data
Daaamn, thats sick. Good shit
I'll test again to see if Im crazy, I might have used wrong multipliers of maxed massiah by accident
Thanks for the info
Damage calculator is also in the works, so you can just pick a character, change the stats, pick enemy stats etc
ooooooooooo neat
I have the guy you're all arguing with blocked because he's a boring simp for this game's bullshit RNG event design so this whole argument looks very funny on my screen
Are you guys ever gonna publish the formulas publicly btw?
After we release the damage calculator, yeah
If any of you wanna see some witchhunting and crying, https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1387117415313444874
Huge for the community! Thanks for all the hard work! 🙏
Great to know, thanks!
Sorry, just going back to this point for a sec, Massiahs S1 hitting for 110% with def break, scaled to 160%, compared to s3 hitting for 160% with 60% shred should lead to the same dmg, correct?
So S1 dmg with def break * 1.4545 = s3 dmg (per hit)
But in my tests s3 was hitting for MUCH less. Like way past variance range
70% of the value it should be with this calc on a random anysinc boss

I will talk with my calc guy
Thanks! Sorry if I'm missing something stupid and wasting your time lmao
It's pretty funny that everything in the thread stopped when the man with the receipts showed up 🤣
high of an expectation for L/D SSR
but agreed, i like the approach though not powercreeping
but i still hold strong. i think that buff steal chance on s1 need to be buffed
30% is kinda too small on a dps char that cant rly buildup acc well
it stopped because this just made it meaningless information lol
gotta have a functional / decently reliable side utility, instead of just dmg dealer. 
i think the intention is for yeli to use golden lion and then if you need more acc, use the right side passive from shell - but it's hard to really do this right now because revelation is just insanely mega overpowered right now lol
so she kind of suffers from 'i cant unlock all my potential due to the fact that im shoehorned into this specific shell because it's just way stronger than the rest'
same logic with rosa lmao, she'd probably benefit just as much from it but revelation exists so that's not an option
(although 10% more on the steal couldn't hurt anyone... or maybe 20%...)
i think her strip works decently on some other contents with golden lion and yea the extra stats from shell.
its just that
inferno crazy effect resist
with that 100% accuracy buildup
its not significant at all 😄
yeah, for inferno i'd imagine you'd take her in specifically because her burst damage is very good
yea i think so
and then in other content, maybe play around the ramping stats and such
it will be cool if she can perform some utility at it
I actually am curious, why do you think that? Like really. We're the only ones who tested the damage formula and know how the damage works, and we test characters manually on top of that to verify the calculations - and apparently that's not enough to be able to compare characters 
Keep what I said earlier in mind:
She has like 40% chance to steal a buff EVERY TURN at 0% accuracy
She does 2.85 hits on average. 1 - (0.85)^(2.85) = 40%ish iirc
On the S3 turns its less, but anyway
yep its in my mind and i already mentioned that too taking in average 2-3shots / action. and my feedback is its not reliable enough even with that accumulated percentage.
wanna move 3 times with s1 starter to steal "a" buff 😮
unless, i guess as nuparu mentioned. on inferno. she just act as pure dps. with probably def break as some utility when its available.
Wait she actually OutDPS Rosa? She was the highest before this right?
I respect that you guys calc everything. But Rosa is a standard unit, Yeli costs an arm, both in pulls and in resources needed to build, she needs to be that "shiny dps" because she's an LD
from pyrdwen 😮
She doesn't - Rosa's DPS is higher in sustained ST and sustained AOE. The only place where Yeli is better when you 2-3 Arrow FUA in single target Burst.
Basically Yeli is a slightly 'worse' Rosa DPS wise, but she makes up for it being Constant, so you can use where where you want.
im scared of her unstable RNG on inferno 
Overall we didn't rate her yet and we value Rosa higher overall. She's basically a solid unit who has her niche that allows her to fish for RNG with the FUA and you can use her anywhere, not caring about the elements.
Both have the same issue though - they want to eat all your lattices.
If you have an invested Rosa already, you don't need Yeli.
Would be nice if they had units we could get hype for, maybe the next one 😦
Like they had two options:
- Devs make Yeli OP and everyone cries that the first new LD is stronger than other DPS,
- Devs make Yeli balanced and some people cry that she should be stronger.
Literally no win scenario here for them. Still, they did say that future banner/characters will be made with horizontal investment in mind and not just numbers go brr where new DPS is old DPS with +20% more DPS.
Thats pretty good tbh if power creep is slowed down for a ibt
I don't envy them. Kinda hard when stupid shit like shadow sania exists and it was obvious diting was mega overtuned early on and they would either have to powercreep like crazy or take it kind of chill
But still, LDs should outperform standard units for sure
imo since ALL rosa can do is deal damage, i feel like she should be pretty strong at it esp since she has the crippling weakness of 'if you take her into wind you will get your cheeks clapped'
i think yeli being just a bit under in sustained while being strong st burst and playable everywhere is already pretty nice to have
I think if she released into a healthier overall game state the banner would be a bullseye
don't forget Rosa can reduce enemy's speed and turn meter.
true, she does have a slow and an RNG turn meter down, but the turn meter reduction feels quite low (and is borderline useless in pve content sadly)
true 😦 but still wanna try both in the same team (but sad they both have a crit buff wich is useless to have twice in the same team)
i'm going to use yeli personally (12 lattices later
) with khloros and dinah to absolutely murder hobo terrormatron inferno
i will try this in aurora too but will probably fail because my modules are not quite like that yet but if it works it will be glorious
khloros is one of those few unit I dont own so I wont be able to try this out. But Im more interested into the making of a team to murder aurora as Im having trouble with that boss :p
my guildmate told me his yeli did 40% of the bosses health turn 1 with revelation lmao
that sounds hella cooked so yeah
I like that she’s balanced as a rosa enjoyer her kit just feels familiar
wich set is your guildmate using on her ?
momentum and fury I can do. For the third set I have to keep farming. Im not that far atm :p
PvP ☠️
youre having rounds go 3+ turns and she's stiill alive to use revelation again? tf is this silver? lol
guess you cant buy brains in madness 💀
so tectone?
Worse
the gacha brainrot has truly shown in this discord im ngl. people get angry that SR/R units are actually good and get angry there isnt rampant power creep. its such a refreshing experience for me cause this isnt present in most other gachas
i love the roster viability in this game
its thrown me off that people say 'but an SR unit does what they do!' like an SR unit existing and being able to at least do some parts of another unit's kit is supposed to be the mark of death
yeah its crazy. people just too brainrotted they wanna just slap 5 SSRs into a team and win
coming from summoners war i had like hundreds of nat5s and i think in guild content i mostly used natural 4*s (SR equivalents) lmao
they get angry if someone read a kit of a lower rarity unit and beat them with it
it depends on the team but thats doable 
i mean it obviously is
grandy did it
for 99% of content

imagine they block massiah and lily for some content, hes done
why does hard astarte do 40k dmg in one turn through atk down + 20% dmg mitigation

this is so fucking stupid
I dont have massiah 
i saw his kit, read "ignores 70% defense" and "ignores passives" and was like yep my time has come
Literally hardest stage in Ember Trek hard
ill never forgive
what they took from me
last night
what i said after this kept getting automodded here 
Nah she needs s3 maxed to keep up with revelation
Objectively wrong. Revelation scales off the attack of the person with the shell, and maxing her ultimate doesn't increase her attack.
Unless her ulti has the attack nodes?
even then you really dont need it to cap revelations damage
Then you need s1 max. Either way doesn’t help your case
Idk why we are so pressed about needing 12 lattice. Literally every dps in the game needs it
S1 is a good chunk of damage but its 10-15%; nice to have, but level 1 S1 rosa is still rosa
Same with yeli?
I'm not sure about yeli
The only reason I even brought up lattice eco is because someone said both rosa and yeli needed full lattices and I said rosa didnt need all 3 skills maxxed
anyways im gone
She does
yeah when people express anger that Vice or Cachi are actually useful I get very confused
What does this have to do with syncing her s3 to a 3 turn CD so that rev procs when her s3 is back up instead of being used with her s1, btw? Very confused by this conversation
You don't need 2 revelation buffed rosa ults
her basic is still 3 hits on the target
not worth 5 lattices
also yeah its confusing me too
because random people keep replying like 5 hours after its over
It's almost like the messages are still there and I just read them
and her s3 being AoE is definitely a consideration
AoE is nice but they were saying you "need" to have S3 maxed
which is just wrong
need would imply the unit doesn't function w/o it
Depends on how widely you're trying to use her and in what content I guess
Woahhh drama?
huge drama, Yeli garbage must buff ASAP
need buff
very easy to inferno clear doki on auto with s3 maxed
(if you have lily)
which i feel like if you are building rosa you most likely have lily cause they're so synergized
You maxed her dupes? That’s a lot of cash spent. Lol
That’s a bit extreme, sheesh.
Hi everybody , i think YeLi have problem , skill 3 does not increase critical and remove debuff before attacking but the opposite
really? what the point if she cleanse and buff after attacking lol
No joke, imho she actually needs it.
Just update some thing, did yeli got buff ?
@royal iris for example like this, when using skill 3 in case she is affected by attack reduction effect, if she increases critical and clean after attacking then the damage will be reduced
Yeli skill 3 should also purify silence right? But she doesn’t on rengo inferno.
its not a passiv
you have to use skill 3 to cleanse which is impossible if you are silenced, stunned etc.
If that’s true that’s crazy 🤣
?
It gives the crit before the damage wdym
If you have proof of otherwise then show it
upon trying her out she excels more on PVP than on PVE
should just let her FUA on any attacks and move on
She'd be the best DPS in the game if they did that
That’s why the thread exists
What’s the issue with that?

Let her proc her S1 on Lily/Battlewill like it should and let it ride
You right
massiah pullers would cry
"shes best in pve AND pvp"
That’s good for them, Massiah pullers would just spend to buy Yeli then
Grandy will just make his Yeli account
Grandy said he doesn’t care for yeli lol he’s in my union
He wants cool looking dudes haha
she is so buggy and rng i dont even know where to begin
i killed her
shes my dog now
now apates is railing me

terrorist boss
she does the 30k st dmg after fully stripping all buffs and gaining 300k hp shield
Grandy so based
does effect accuracy increase her chance to steal buffs?
it should
ty good sir
yeah she needs a little...tuning. kinda underwhelming for an Light unit
Honestly she just feels like an RGB
solid in most content, but not really notable in any one particular category
@soft dew why is my yeli like this ?
@soft dew it deals damage then increases critical?
Probably a visual glitch for you. The freya buff is also after the animation
Either way, she does have the buffs before the damage
@soft dew Freya is just like the skill description, increase attack then deal damage, only yeli is wrong, after dealing damage then increase critical
Yeli is correct
Watch my replay of how it works
It’s multiple replays from speed clears
All works as it says
You can even see yeli full critting on your replay
Mine is on 1x too. It’s his device or graphics
It pops up instantly in every replay
@soft dew maybe, it's a display error. because your video is different, she increases crit first then deals damage, my video is the opposite. about her dealing crit damage like in my video, it's still not possible to determine if she increases crit before dealing damage, because my yeli's crit is 100% basic
do we know if lily triggers yeli's FUA's?
She does not
not gonna bother pulling then, what a disappointment
Asking support rn if it’s intended since Lily pulls Rosa
its a massive L if that doesnt get changed, shes just rosa but LD and less good
Ofc it’s intended
Lily pulls yeli she just doesn’t proc her s2
I bet there’s hidden text in coding that makes it only proc on her turn
Or some wording with what qualifies as an active skill
Yeah nvm.
Their response is just "kekw"
Just summon jack bro
Nah it's fine
I'm waiting for balance patch when they buff her frfr

At this point they should just add "on her turn"
And what if they dont?
Then rip bozo
Glad this isn’t my problem because I don’t have yeli
cant you just try it without crit gear? to see if the crit buff is pre or after the attack
It’s not a problem. Rn she is just very good. I want her godlike
I think it's intended to apply the crit buff after so that it's active for the follow-ups attacks and also the next 2 turns which gives 100% uptime on the crit buff at lv5
It’s before. Same with every buffer
You can see Freya’s attack buff is still 2 turns at the end of her turn
She still wont be as good as lily
gotcha, thanks for clarifying
I just tested it myself and she applied the buff before S3 so I'm not sure about the video
@tawny lynx @soft dew here is my yeli proof , increase crit and clean effect after damage
@soft dew I don't understand why your yeli video shows differently than mine
Mine is just the game replay
Just watched. Yours is showing the cleanse and buff on impact. It's not after
very easy way to test this
get a yeli that's just over 70% total cr
see if you always crit on ult shots or not

Oh god
The passive specifies "active skill"
That’s not what customer support said tho 
It is, if you parse their poor English
Actively activated = via an active skill, AKA using her 1 or 3 on her turn
i mean as if we assume her to activate s2 on her own without attacking thats jsut stupid
all her skills trigger her s2 that reply is troll
I'm not sure what any of that means
It's pretty clear from their keyword "active" that she's working as intended and not supposed to work with Lily though
Bro won the lottery
why u got max procs
does damage have RNG? why each crit deal diff damage
ofc, damage is a range. you don't just crit for the same amount every time, this ain't Battlerite or BLC.
Is 5 max
how can damage have rng. its math one output
it should be calcable
so something else is causing the damage to change
union boss gets DR with hp lost iirc
All damage has a 5% variance apparently
The formula has in-built variance
Build?
it doesnt
Than it's not good
Maybe was better fury + momentum Shell?
Why are you using keen eye
because its better than onslaught hahaa
Is it? Thought the extra damage on revelation and the other shots would be better
keeneye with atk bonus x1 and crit dmg x2 on right side, since rosa and yeli get 30% crit buff, 70% is easy to get
Isn't keeneye the crit damage? Thought momentum gives crit rate
yup! more crit dmg
onslaught is better than keeneye specifically for revelation abuse since it scales your revelation damage higher.
they are achievable ||if you had shadow sania to farm inferno modes until now||
Even then.. I'm so curious to see the sub stats on those pieces
Cuz it just looks insane
Tbf this was more from Aurora farm
I maxed Lingluo S1 early xD
I actually got to farm Terror Inferno late since I didn't have a stripper and didn't pull/build Holden til later. Niconana was a different story
Some of the nicer rolls
bro can i look your linglio modules?
I move hers around tbh.
But generally around this speed
Oh I remember too. This Shell is a good chunk of stats
When I max Yeli S1 at reset she'll be 4k atk hopefully
thanks, i got in right tracks, but my speed is very low even with 12 set speed
A good chunk of my speed is from shell but yeah I do have lots of 6-9 speed pieces around from farming Doki
Oh yea forgot shells give a crap ton when capped out
When are they gonna buff Yeli
Some of you must not be building or investing in her well. Revelation, onslaught and fury . 70% crit rate to 300 to 350 crit damage or more with a fury edge piece. There is no way she is bad. Plus in PvP she is a monster. But you must 4/5/5 her. Her rng play is THE ANNOYING PART THOUGH
Most of the people still in this thread already know she is busted. Just trying to get her buffed even more
Yeli S2 should work with Yeli S1
YELI is Waifu 🙏
Guys apparently there is a yeli bug where she is not cleanse before the attack but cleansing after attacked
I think the bug is that Yeli is even getting debuffed, she should be immune
On a serious note, I haven't seen that bug
What debuff was on her?
No it’s not the debuff. She doesn’t cleanse with her s3 before hit. So if there is buff block she won’t cleanse it. Almost making her 30% cr useless
Needs to fixed asap
Ah so it goes crit rate buff => cleanse => hit
Similar to Wound screwing over Amber because it goes Heal => Cleanse
Yeah!
They need to fix this shit. It’s ridiculous
I wonder if this is intended to make certain debuffs valuable or atleast make the order clear
Nope it wasn’t like that before
Then its probably a result of the Amber fix lmaooo
There was some bug with Amber that they fixed
And I guess it broke other things 
Bruh with the investment into yeli they must fix that shit asap
Well huge patch should be in 11 /12 day's
lets see what they cook for the community its either huge W or BigL for everyone
where
she's strong in bed, i'm telling u
We need stronger LDs 😄 buff Yeli
No, make her S2 work with Lily S1
Not enough tbh they should make her s2 work with any crit hit
Lily S3 will now reset whole team's cooldowns
D:
yeli s3 now will eos the game
did someone say lily buffs
hell nah
lily is awesome she reminds me of the sylvia i could never pull in sw 
i doubt anyone gets nerfed too harshly before bloodbath and revelation get looked at
otherwise most units seem to be relatively balanced id say






