Terrormaton Inferno Auto time: ~1:20 100% wr

[main tundra]

E7 need to pay to win

Fr

[royal forge]

Fr

Honestly tho

I think issue is either gear or shell

She'll passive

And gear subs

[main tundra]

Yah idk about shells

Okay imma be right back after i have breakfirst

Stuck here at nightmare 1 for like days

It hits me so hard bruh

[royal forge]

Shells give so much stay

Stat

800 attack 30 crit damage 8% total damage

Plus passive

[main tundra]

I have some lv30 shells

So idk

Wait i have her can i use her for atk buffer

[royal forge]

bro she is best buffer in game

[main tundra]

The cd looks pretty long so ig this is for pvp

[royal forge]

[main tundra]

Huh

Damn okay

[royal forge]

its okay, you get lingluo at 7 day

[main tundra]

Got her out of nowhere

Me 10 days

[royal forge]

lingluo expends all your buffs

where your lingluo

[main tundra]

Havent done her quests

[royal forge]

bro

she cleanse

she gives team immunity

she heals based on max hp

she gives continuous heal

she extends all the buffs on you

[main tundra]

Day 5,6,7 not done

[royal forge]

get bonked

[main tundra]

I just play blindlessly for 10 days

[royal forge]

she is sania but better lol

a lot better

[lavish bough]

Lili replacement?

[royal forge]

#1384714748712583168

[main tundra]

okay got him very close to his strongest form

how do i tuning my team @royal forge

[royal forge]

buff debuff dps

healer as faster as possible

i just think that sania doesnt have enoiugh aoe heal lol

[mild junco]

Does formation lock also lock the gear?

[royal forge]

yes

it takes a snap shot of your gear before you start auto

and you gears remain the same with in the 10 auto, until it finishes

[mild junco]

But if I change gear and then start auto again, does the gear the refresh?

Do you have any skill up besides ril s3?

[royal forge]

then yes

[royal forge]

yes, i did s2, for the crit rate

no need if you have dmage

[low cairn]

is there any way we can guarantee dot hit on inferno or there is a fixed amount of resist that boss had whatever it is? cos i keep gettting 1 or 2 times resist on either sania or fungus

[royal forge]

There’s a base 10% resist no matter how much acc you have

On top of that you need 180 eff, if you have Holden 150

You still take the acc stacking shell passive that is

[royal forge]

.

[low cairn]

im at 180 and have holden but still man @.@
tbf my holden sometime doesnt land lmao, hes at 140ish .
i still use triple eff acc on him right? or do i need to change to smth right crit or smth?

[royal forge]

he needs some crit lol

1 crit 2 acc

and perferably

2 levels into his s3

to get that sweet 100%]

[low cairn]

ahhh i see so thats why, i think i have some acc swap up and might try it later. i cant up his s3 to since im short on lattice (currently building xiada for my doki)

[royal forge]

same lol

i just use his s3 level

1

and went with 60 runs no fail

maybe lucky but

70% 3 time check is good enough for me

[low cairn]

damm mine still need tuning i guess since all my clear are all manual and its making me crazy @.@

i still cant land the speed rng stacks

[grim sigil]

can u send a video of ur run danbanba

[royal forge]

I’ve now almost fully pivoted to doki inferno lol

I’ll try after event

But the speed tune and gear will be different

[haughty thunder]

Last day for reset event. Should i reset mass and use rilmocha or any other suggestions?

I dont think i can make a mass teaam with 100 wr is that normal

[royal forge]

#1386207053877346344

ive finished the guide!

there is a damage spread you can calculate yourself to see if you mocha can reach those nembers

[sacred plover]

@royal forgedid u max any skill on ling luo for inferno?

[royal forge]

for which inferno?

[royal forge]

.

terrormaton doesnt need lingluo

doki you should, i didnt

[fickle roost]

Could you send me back to the top

[royal forge]

check ping

[royal forge]

.

[main tundra]

who should i get from here ?

helkid, beyontin, borgne, rilmocha, rahu are what i have

[low cairn]

this is depends on what u want to achieve, what u have , and what stages are u on..

[main tundra]

i want to clear hell mode for terror, doki

[royal forge]

i really like kloss

for rilmocha

[main tundra]

also im not even at nightmare 1 yet

[main tundra]

okay

do i continue to pull on permanent or focus on this banner

[royal forge]

how many pulls you done

[main tundra]

i feel like i should still do permanent cuz me no valerian yet

[royal forge]

normally its 350 normal before stopping lol

[main tundra]

i think i did like 330

[royal forge]

ya then definitly normal

valerian too big

[main tundra]

354

so now i do targeted ?

[royal forge]

i mean

its a personal choice

[main tundra]

cuz targeted will always be there

im kinda tempting not to do that for now

[royal forge]

right

where to you see that lo

i want to check mine

[main tundra]

achievement -> development

[royal forge]

ok ya i capped it at 450

[main tundra]

[royal forge]

GOD DAMN

[main tundra]

who this

[royal forge]

in standard we believe

[main tundra]

yea

standard pull

not targeted

me not into lolis

[royal forge]

light pvp cc unit

highest base speed in game if im not wrong

she is like

[main tundra]

oh then she wont be used for a while

[royal forge]

rinak speed if you know what i mean

[main tundra]

u mean ran speed

[royal forge]

ran who

[main tundra]

my dude

also kloss is cute

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-santa-gif-78923470987598656

[low cairn]

my permanent banner adventure stops when i get dupes before

[royal forge]

i have a dupe in lily lol...

and like 5 pulls later i got khlorors

cant complain

[low cairn]

my first is a double shadow shania so i guess its telling me smth lmao

then i go for tager rilmo but i never use it till now

i stillnuse xiada till helliv ,havent clear infernonyet on that comp

my xiada always ded before the boss died like 20% more

[royal forge]

lmao

xiada is werid

but i mean mocha is even harder to build s

so

[twilit wigeon]

Clearing inferno with this , it's manual and around 30% wr if Holden dispel but I won't complain

[main tundra]

should i build holden @royal forge

[royal forge]

before inferno no

[main tundra]

okay

the guy is for inferno ?

[royal forge]

yep

[main tundra]

so before it just lian/dinah

[royal forge]

you can still use dot before that

diting also probably better

[main tundra]

but diting cd is huge

even tho i maxed his s3

[royal forge]

whish is why lily lol

[main tundra]

fuck me

[royal forge]

and timeweave

[main tundra]

no lily

[royal forge]

is so huge

[main tundra]

can i use this

on diting

[royal forge]

bro thats too cope

just

[main tundra]

[royal forge]

do more damage lol

[twilit wigeon]

Beyontin ?

[main tundra]

i do have her

[royal forge]

oh ya beyontin works

best buffer

[main tundra]

i found this

sania best in slot ?

[twilit wigeon]

Yes just change that attack passive

Don't waste too much on reconfiguration tho just once or twice if you don't get hp then skip

[main tundra]

after my team fully 5 star-ed

finally

[gleaming briar]

my val gives holden atk buff then lily s2 holden

Hmm~1

[royal forge]

Right

Which is why

And Holden fangus all on level 1 helmet

[royal forge]

.

[gleaming briar]

ahaa. nice

[low cairn]

guys how does lily give buff to? biggest atk? how does she keeps giving my holden the buff @.@

[limber idol]

lovely

[low cairn]

atk wise sania still have the bigger attak with like 200ish differences

[pseudo wraith]

I dont know why my sania higher attack then holden

but the lily still buff holden

anyone can help me

[gleaming briar]

Also what is up terror resisting. its so cancer.
similar to e7 15%

[low cairn]

i solve it by rerolling the pet 1st ability to atk

[pseudo wraith]

u mean sania pet

[past lark]

Who could I replace Dark Lily with?

[grim sigil]

it's because valerian gives holden a 40% atk buff when in hazy dream

your sania's attack needs to be more than holden atk + 40% of it

[drifting wyvern]

Flat or % based

[grim sigil]

high atk% is best

[gleaming briar]

is it possible to do it without bramble on sania?
i was running on different builds im trying to fix it bit by bit but not sure where to start

[royal forge]

Valerian gives attack buff

[royal forge]

Valerian gives attack buff

[royal forge]

10% I think

[royal forge]

No need for bramble if not codex

[low cairn]

ahhh that slip my mind no wonder

[gleaming briar]

changed sania to bramble unbreakable. happy with the outcome

[royal forge]

lmao

alr, as long as it works

[gleaming briar]

aiming for 200 eff on all units. want to minimize "resist"

[royal forge]

if you have holden res down and then the stacking acc passive on shell its not that bad

since the base 10% you cant get rid off

[grim sigil]

50 crit rate holden with 144 eff acc enough?

or should i jus run triple eff acc

[royal forge]

you need about 180 eff acc with some crit...

as well as speed

its a mega stat check

[grim sigil]

for super consistent right

[gleaming briar]

im not sure what the boss's eff res is, so ig im just going for the placebo - diminishing return extra eff acc but oh well

[grim sigil]

i seeeee hmm

[royal forge]

for super consistent right

[royal forge]

180

with holden res down 150

[gleaming briar]

ahh 180 is the cap?

kk

[grim sigil]

is 180 cap for every inferno

does that mean it useless to go over 180 eff 😮

[royal forge]

idk every but doki and terror is 180

i think so

[gleaming briar]

pvp

Hmm~1

[royal forge]

right pvp

[grim sigil]

pvp i be running 80 eff acc

[royal forge]

but pvp has immunity

[grim sigil]

and it still hits xD

[gleaming briar]

ah

[royal forge]

#1386207053877346344 my doki team if you need

[gleaming briar]

my acc no kloss+diting

bricked

OkShark

[royal forge]

kloss is fine but diting

real stumper

[weak kettle]

Can someone share their consistent Ssania setup without lily

[royal forge]

#1384714748712583168

50% wr is not bad

11 energy per run rather than 10

its a 3 star clear too so you can do 10 autos at once

[gleaming briar]

can a really good massiah clear aurora?

[limber fable]

@royal forge hey, u know much acc u need for nico infernal? . Thanks in advance

[royal forge]

grandy did it with a 5/5 massiah

[royal forge]

i run my terror ssania and it works fine

[limber fable]

that stun mobs really fck up the rotation lol

[sharp field]

That's why you don't rely on rotations for auto farm

You want reliability not speed

[lunar prawn]

can freya substitute for lily?

[sharp field]

For which comp?

For SSania? No

[lunar prawn]

damn

[sharp field]

Unless you get another unit that spd ups and 100% follow ups ally on basic attack

No

[lunar prawn]

i guess imma have to try running the khloros diting veronika comp then

[sharp field]

Lily basically makes your SSania do 2-3 more basic attacks per cycle

Depending on how fast your Lily is

Whether she is using gigabyte

That's 2-4 stacks of DoT extra

[lunar prawn]

damn im cooked

guess imma have to reroll my level 75 acc

[sharp field]

That comp works

It's abit slower but it works

I mean the DoT comp without Lily supposedly works still but on manual

[lunar prawn]

i see

i dont wanna manual tho

so i guess imma try the other comp

[sharp field]

The thing is from my testing DoT comps are pretty fixed on how they can clear

Once you get it working, any further changes don't really improve the comp

Since enemies got a fixed chance to resist all debuffs and dispels

Sometimes RNG says fuck you and you don't land anything and your run just fails

The DPS comps maybe slower now but once you built your units they can get faster

[lunar prawn]

just found the veronika comp

gonna try building around this

[sharp field]

Do you have a better quality image for this?

[lunar prawn]

unfortunately not

[limber fable]

but u cant really out sustain nico right?

[sharp field]

Not without some maxed sustain

Like Lingluo

My friend 5/5/5 his Lingluo and he can sustain it LOL

But the thing is Niconana really doesn't have that much HP

[limber fable]

yeah that's why im thinking switching to burst team

[steep cape]

Rng finally swung my way!

[zealous owl]

Guys this terrormaton inferno guide thread and not dokidoki

[royal forge]

doki is here #1386207053877346344

[zealous owl]

I know but people are talking about dokidoki in this thread

[terse karma]

question: why ssania not with battlewill? so 12 swift / 8 battlewill ( / 6 swiftsmite)?

why unbreakable is favored? (bramble makes sense for counterattack)

[royal forge]

i didnt have access to those back when i did this lol, this was a guide a week ago

used unbreakable for bigger artison sheild, its actually massive

[royal forge]

.

[terse karma]

nvm, im dumb xdd artisan's shield scales with def and as ssania doesnt need speed, we actually dont need swiftrush. so this is the best option for artisan strat

[royal forge]

codex better i just didnt have it lol

but either way you want ssania dirt slow

so lily can drag her to s1 more and then ssania s3 hits bigger

[terse karma]

which set you would wanna on codex then for her?

[royal forge]

bloodbath works

any defensive set really

as long as you can make them its good

[echo marsh]

So move to codex from artisan?

[grim sigil]

new updated stat check? i wanna see how slow ur ssania is compared to others D:

i assume its holden -> lily -> fangus -> ssania -> val?

[royal forge]

my vale is faster than myy ssania lol

but something like that works

[grim sigil]

is it a matter of bulk and eff acc then?

[royal forge]

after hitting speed threshold yes

[obtuse wyvern]

just got this from nico looks good to slap onto ssania for terror inferno auto?

[green fractal]

that looks sick gz!

[green fractal]

only way i see it getting better it's just if you got swift/bramble maybe

[cobalt snow]

Why 264 speed for holden and 270 speed for lily, but then say holden needs to be faster than lily?

Also how do you hit 180 acc, 264 spd and 60+ crit on holden wtf

[grim sigil]

2 eff acc pieces with a rcit rate piece o.o

and then you have speed subs with max shell and a good spd passive on shell

and then you grab spd prowess from skill 1

also could 6 star

inferno shells give more too

[cobalt snow]

Mine is 6 star, 2x eff hit but no good crit pieces that have eff acc is a 2x swift or TW and has speed. No lettuce to waste on s1 of holden. Hitting 140 eff hit, 256 spd and no crit rate

Also this game doesnt want to let me get red speed passive on my holden shell

My lily was 271 speed, but tried to pull her back cuz dude said holden has to be faster

Even though lily is listed as 270 speed

And holden listed as 264 speed

I just cant justify losing 13 speed to get a little crit rate on him

I think these dungeons are just insanely overtuned... The devs just dont want people to actually be able to play their game

The amount of resources you have to waste just to get to the point of being able to farm useful gear is ridiculous

[rare patio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owrdMRP8iik

get Hoyan & Diting XD no Lily needed

[cobalt snow]

6Ads on an 8min video, wtf is youtube anymore bro

[royal forge]

damn thats why you run ad blocker

honestly tho for dps there are other options, its just gear check

while dot teams can run on trash gear

[haughty thunder]

does this team also wrok for shell teams? so the ssania lily build

[echo marsh]

I finally tuned my Holden and lily and can auto terror/Nico inferno. Ty Dan! (Before the nerf lol)

[royal forge]

yes

[haughty thunder]

hoyan too?

if so I will copy this build. I saw other specific for shells using speed but it cant be used for terror

but if terro build can be used for shells its better

[royal forge]

hoyan you need obol

[haughty thunder]

wait I keep being told obol is needed for hoyan but I can guarantee someoen recommended me celine

is celine not usable?

[royal forge]

no idea

i dont know about who recommanded that to you lol

[haughty thunder]

like people said celine was needed to auto so I just started building him, never built obol therefore

but now I am in a dilemma what to do

[haughty thunder]

can I ask questions abut my ssania team its not working

[royal forge]

Wuts not working

[haughty thunder]

the team, is not working in hoyan

[royal forge]

What’s your team

I have no info

[haughty thunder]

celine valerian ssania lily

sorry forgot to give context

but I am thinkign to replace celine now

[royal forge]

Idk about Celine

I never used it myself and not sure about the Strat

[haughty thunder]

why did they even recommended her

[royal forge]

Idk

My recommendation

Which is obol

Will cc hoyan

So she can’t counter back

And you can freely apply dot and kill her

Idk about Celine, never built nor used her

[haughty thunder]

ssania s1 max is enough right?

[royal forge]

Yes

[haughty thunder]

hmm I do got his s1 max.
where cna I find the builds?

that may be a problem too

[royal forge]

Odol wants s3 maxed

I may do a guide on it tmr

Seems like a lot of people need it

But I’ll sleep now

[haughty thunder]

oh okay gn

[royal forge]

Gn

[haughty thunder]

I will try a differnet build and maybe it will work

[chrome pebble]

Hey. Sorry for that dumb question but what if I build sania lily and Valerian as you said, will I still be able to auto Niconana inferno?

[cobalt snow]

Those stats are not just running any old "trash gear" bro...

270+ speed 180 eff acc and 60 crit is really hard to obtain for holden.

[royal forge]

yes, although Lingluo better than valerian for niconana but yes

[royal forge]

In comparison, currently if you run dps all your substats must be perfect and your shells need 1 red 2 orange passive

While less of that in dot team, ofc there’s still some statlines to hit but less so

[cobalt snow]

Well I managed to get the team running, though not quite with the stats outlined above. Its probably 40-60% rn. A lot of units under on eff acc because of requirements on other stats. Also getting the speeds needed is a pain in the ass rn

Holdens on eff 2x and def% because I cant afford to lose the 13 speed substat on the def piece

only 19% crit rate so thats probably why its failing

[royal forge]

It’s fine, 50% wr ish still rocks

It’s only 11 energy per run instead of 10

Very acceptable

[cobalt snow]

Yeah, now im just trying to get some decent furyedge to try and push my aurora team past hardstuck h3

Also had to throw Ssania on Atk% so shes only 144% eff acc

Holden kept stealing the lily buff

Cuz of valerian atk buff

[royal forge]

Right

Try giving Holden a level 1 helmet

That’s what I have

[cobalt snow]

I was going to, but cant afford to lose the speed rolls on it

Hes only 2 speed faster than lily

[royal forge]

This also helps

[cobalt snow]

Yeah, Im thinking about that, but have no resources to reconfig rn. The silver and training mats are so rare in this game.

[royal forge]

Right

Well it’s fine lol, 50% wr ish still a lot

We take that

[cobalt snow]

I got this on her by accident, and don’t want to mess with it because it would make a good dps Holden shell for pvp

Also maxing her shell would help too

The speed sucks because shes moving faster and losing some effectivness of the lily team up and blowing her s3 too soon, but all that can be fixed in due time.

Actually now that I think about it, probably not as good as I thought for Holden.

Cuz his dps build doesnt use speed and wont be the fastest unit.

[royal forge]

Right lol

It’s still a tripple red

I’d keep it

[limber fable]

Im still at manual stage and moving turn 2 lol

[haughty thunder]

hey did u made the hoyan guide ?

if possible one for rengokutsu too please

[shy rapids]

Lily buffed my holden how to fix it

My SSania has highest attack

[blissful socket]

happened to me before means you either need less attack on holden or even more on ssania

i run a +9 mask cause of that

[royal forge]

Bc valerian buffs Holden attack

You need to be over 40%

I have my Ssania and 30% attack passive shell and gave my Holden a level 1 helmet

[shy rapids]

Turn order will be super messed if sania moved fast to gain buff

My holden needs to be with 15helm as +13 spd is only on that

[mild junco]

is rengokutsu inferno still immune to dot?

[royal forge]

Yep

[royal forge]

Right

Well, try shell passive

No matter how the main idea is

40% more attack

[royal forge]

#1387384939879596143

Here

Hoyan inferno guide

[haughty thunder]

thanks is there oen for rengo too?

[royal forge]

Nope

[mild junco]

Do you manually clear rengo atp?

[royal forge]

I auto hell

Can’t do inferno yet, no gear

Too big of a stat check for me rn

Maybe after I get more dupes into diting and better momentum gear, but that’s not my priority rn

[lunar tangle]

@royal forge a lot of people are asking auto this, manual this, could you make "progress post" and pin it?
Shell Bosses: Team Setup (auto/manual)

[steep lagoon]

is thr a replacement for liky

[royal forge]

Good call, during weekend probably

[royal forge]

You can try Freya

Or cachi

Both good

[thorny badger]

Any idea why my lily boosts Holden?

[grim sigil]

valerian atk boost on holden

since he goes first to strip

need sania to be holden atk + 40%

[thorny badger]

Ty sir

[grim sigil]

no worries! some tricks are like to equip just a level 1 helmet for holden

or to get atk% passive on shell for ssania

or just wait after nerfs to try honestly

it’s coming soon, unless it got nerfed already

[thorny badger]

I tried the lv1 but I need the speed on it

[proud lagoon]

which skill of fangus needs leveling up first?

[royal forge]

Too much attack

[royal forge]

S2

Then s3 s1 both fine

[proud lagoon]

okayy thanks

[main tundra]

@royal forge do u have niconana team ?

[limber fable]

u can use same unit from terro

[main tundra]

I dont have dot team

[lunar prawn]

any substitute for lily?

[main tundra]

Anyways tried diting and success

[limber fable]

after the nerf u can probably ditting it

[trim temple]

Hi, are the shell recommendations necessary to achieve 100% WR? Or can there be variations? Currently im using for all PvE content codex on lily, Codex on Sania, artisan on fangus and Artisan on Valerian, and I have a Gigabyte on Holden :v (just for the speed). Also, if I use Codex on my characters, what’s the best set to use with them? @royal forge

[dim hollow]

绫罗 515 值得吃金砖？

[royal forge]

绫罗需要吃砖？

不需要吧

基本上带supernova就可以了

可以511如果你需要净化

[misty mist]

Does fangus need his s3 maxed also

[royal forge]

it is perfered not needed

speed down is really good

[trim temple]

👍🏻

[wraith inlet]

how to go to top post

[low cairn]

isnt there an arrow up button? (pc)

if ur on the phone u can click the title then go to pin tab and click what the op had pin

[wraith inlet]

got it, ty

[plain niche]

the tweaking required for terramaton 100% clear is ridiculous lmao

[royal forge]

Lmao it’s for any auto team, for manual it’s fine but auto teams you need to adapt for the stupidity of ai

[royal forge]

.

[plain niche]

Yeah, hopefully in the future they'll give us more control over AI like Ssanias S3.

[vocal jolt]

My lily still buffs holden even he has less atk than ssania, can you help me?

Ah nvm, found an answer as above

[odd thistle]

Hey, which stat would make the bigger difference considering the accuracy cap is reached ? HP ? Def ? Speed ? Overall stats ?

(about winrate)

[royal forge]

speed and defense

hp is good if you dont have any, but at certain level you get diminishing return

its better to keep a balance between def and hp for more ehp, and in this case since def gives more artision sheild, its more valuable

[royal forge]

.

[odd thistle]

Thanks I'll try to increase def and speed then, I don't really have a huge issue with hp

[royal forge]

alr

[desert kiln]

is it goood to put codex of magic on some characters for terror run ?

*for this run

[royal forge]

ssania

about i t

if you have lily

[desert kiln]

on both of them it's better ?

[drifting mantle]

why up S1 holden not S3?

is this the update of the old version? cozz its bit different

[royal forge]

Nothing changed for dot team

[drifting mantle]

the stat bit different and i thought i can reach the speed in the new ver. coz old version min speed in lily was 270 and new one 250 and holden min 180 efacc and new one min 150

[spiral tartan]

If i dont have lily how can i sub her?

[royal forge]

#1384714748712583168

[royal forge]

in the patchnote they say only thing changed is the boss hp

i have not tested those myself

[vernal citrus]

Followed the guide, I have a lot of fails maybe 70/60% wr, any idea why ? The lily buff saynia and holden moves before the boss, I have the same shells aswell

[slim sand]

Just found an issue when Lily buffs someone else but SSania on the 3rd Lily turn
40% ATK buff from Valerian is already consumed by SSania and someone else has more ATK than SSania. So in my case I need all character's ATK+40% to be less than SSania
But even with fixed ATK, the win rate is about 70% D:

[royal forge]

Just tank stat I think

You should have way more than enough dots to kill

I’m running some really decent sub stat gears for example

I’m running shells with no speed passive but rather acc passive

And then have a def bonus piece for all units

Maybe that helps

[vernal citrus]

Okay thanks !

[young siren]

Is it ok for Fangus to not use Swift Strive Alicorn

Swift Timeweave Artisan

[wraith pumice]

Should i still build holden for Inferno terror if i alrd have Hein that can do block buff and remove the buff?

[royal forge]

Holden is arguably better

For eff down and attack down

And push back

If you don't use holden you need 30 more eff acc on all your characters

And more bulk

[royal forge]

Should be fine

[haughty bane]

How do I go up to the first post

[wind ore]

the arrow up in the top right

[royal forge]

pings too

[sharp field]

Shell of choice doesnt really matter

Artisan is best imo cause of tankability

SSania wants codex but you can still clear without it

[keen karma]

Should I try for more CR or Acc on Holden? Not sure exactly how the landing debuffs, acc vs res calculations in this game work. I also have Insight for +40% acc on turn 1 on his shell passive…

He’s 111 - not sure if he deserves/needs skill ups.

[royal forge]

its normally 1 crit rate module + 2 acc module

should get you to about 180 acc and 60 ish crit rate

[keen karma]

Got it, thanks! I don’t think I have great spd subs on CR (on any matrix), and no great Timeweave or Swiftrush acc% mods, so I’ll probably have to sacrifice something… will play around with stuff, but at least have a low consistency but working auto team now.

Thanks for the guide!

[royal forge]

npnp

[main tundra]

@royal forge which set should i aim for this shell

[grim sigil]

can u explain this like im 5 with some examples

[royal forge]

🎯 RULES OF THE GAME
Effects have a base chance (like 100%) and then EFF and RES change that.

Your EFF is capped at 200% of base value(even if you have 100000%).

The lowest chance to land is 50% of base value, no matter how much RES the enemy has.

🧪 EXAMPLE 1: Buff with 100% base chance
Let’s say:

Your base effect chance is 100%

You have 100000% EFF (wow! 💪)

The enemy has 0% RES

But the game caps EFF at 200%.

So, your total chance to land = 100% base × 200% EFF = 200% max.
👉 That means it’s guaranteed to land if the base is 100%, but can’t go higher than 200%.

🧪 EXAMPLE 2: Enemy has crazy RES
Let’s say:

You have 100% base effect chance

Enemy has 100000% RES

Even though the enemy’s RES is super high, the game has a minimum land chance of 50%.

So your effect still has a 50% chance to land no matter what.
👉 That’s because the lowest it can drop to is 50%.

⚠️ So What Does This Mean?
💔 Even if the enemy is a RESISTANCE GOD, you can still land your effect 50% of the time.

💥 But if you're super powerful with EFF, it doesn’t help much past 200%—the game won’t let it go higher.

Pretend EFF is how sticky your sticker is 🎟️

Pretend RES is how slippery the enemy is 🧼

No matter how sticky or slippery things get, the sticker:

Always has at least a 50% chance to stick 🧲

Can only stick at most twice as hard (200%), even if your glue is 100x stronger 🧴

this is what chat gpt gives me

[royal forge]

.

and on top of everything there is a base 10% chance to miss no matter waht

[grim sigil]

so if holden move is like 60% chance to apply atk and res down and he has 180% eff acc what does that mean

we don’t know how much the bosses res is either right

[royal forge]

Which is why testing is important

No one knew terror was264 either

I had to test it to figure it out

[sharp field]

I think you should rephrase it

Otherwise people are gonna think debuffs have a fixed 50% chance to land

Cause someone quoted your message just now and told me that its 50% no matter what

Its 50% of your base chance

The distinction is important

Because a 30% debuff chance will drop to 15 which is basically nothing

[royal forge]

bro it aint even me

i just asked chatgpt to give me example lol

[ocean moat]

thanks for this, made my terror team go from ass to 90% WR and I can still improve skills and bulk.@royal forge

[sweet creek]

If I don't have a lily, what is good alternative option I can use :((((

[solar wigeon]

is there aurora guide?

[royal forge]

Freya

#1384714748712583168

[royal forge]

Not yet, it's just brute force rn

I can't necessarily do it on auto

Have about 5% wr

[wind ore]

For inferno ?

[royal forge]

Ye

[ashen silo]

Auora a bit more easier imo

What’s your box I can try to build you a Ez team

[slate aurora]

please me i got all the units its just the build and tuning dont know how to do it 😄

[ashen silo]

I think I can do auora with 0 skill up viper

[slate aurora]

please share your wisdom

[ashen silo]

I don’t have all the units I used xiada linguo valerian viper and Lilly
Standard team think it’s more so skill ups then the team it self

Idk if they nerfed the boss or what

[slate aurora]

lingulo s1 maxed ?

[ashen silo]

Maybe Holden be a better replacement over viper

Yeah s1 max

My Lilly s1 and s2 max

Ross might be better over xiada

[royal forge]

Inferno?

You heal enough with that?

[ashen silo]

Yeah?

You need super nova

[royal forge]

What's your lingluo skills

I'm struggling to heal enough with just lingluo as healer

Which is why I only have about 5% wr

[ashen silo]

Are you using valerian too

[royal forge]

Yes

[ashen silo]

And using viper?

[royal forge]

Holden

[ashen silo]

Might wanna try viper for the slow

Wanna vc I can show my run

My modules arnt that great tbh

[royal forge]

Icic

It's fine im just wondering

Might need to build viper now

[ashen silo]

For early it’s rough but as we get more lattices it be easier

Skill ups can make or break a character or run

You could try kloros Rosa for follow up

[royal forge]

its insane lattice investments for those teams lol

i dont have lattice rn, which is the primary reason i only have 5% wr

my yeli s3 cant sync with revelation is primary reason

im trying to see if other options can work, rn only works in manual

[ashen silo]

Yeah it sucks i hate how you need lattice to make a unit viable

[solar wigeon]

this is my unit. i still cant clear inferno lol

@ashen silo

[ashen silo]

Which one

[solar wigeon]

aurora

[ashen silo]

Auora? It’s Rosa viper Lilly linguo and valerian are they skilled up

Viper s3 max Lilly s1 and s2 max linguo s1 max Valarie’s s3 max linguo needs super nova

[solar wigeon]

viper is not build yet

[ashen silo]

Idk what Rosa needs but she dps so I would max her out

[solar wigeon]

damn, we need a lot of lattice to beat it huh

[ashen silo]

Yeah not a fan of it tbh

This is my viper

He isn’t skilled up lol

I don’t have holden he might better depending on good your Rosa is

The slow and sr lattice ez

Viper a good starter

[solar wigeon]

I just built Rosa, I don’t have any lattice lol

i think i just need to build my lingluo

we desperately need a good healer in this fight

[ashen silo]

This person has there Rosa max

Yeah only her s1 is needed

[solar wigeon]

btw what's your hoyan team?

i dont have a great revelation yet for rosa

[ashen silo]

I can only do hell

[royal forge]

#1387384939879596143

[ashen silo]

You have ssania and fangus just dot hoyan @solar wigeon and have obol stun the adds

[solar wigeon]

ill give it a try

[ashen silo]

Just have Lilly as 4 but isn’t needed if your units strong and fangus need max skill up and obol s3 max

[ashen silo]

Also idk about the ai you might wanna manual with dots and you codex on that team I think or artasein for defense

[low cairn]

for hoyan u can just go what emilia said , ssania fungus obol lily. make sure obol moves before the adds and ur dots unit. and codex shell on obol

[ancient badger]

I dont have lily

Any option?

[ashen silo]

Options for what

[ancient badger]

Teror

[ashen silo]

People use fraya

What’s your box

[wind ore]

SSania is Codex
Fangus Artisan
Lily Gigabyte
Val Artisan
Holden Artisan

but i seem to be around 50-60% winrate any idea why ?

[ashen silo]

It’s a manual team tbh

@wind ore

[royal forge]

Holden issue

Your Holden is missing

Like 40 eff + 50 crit rate

So his s3 isn’t landing

Your velarian also missing like 20k hp

You seems to have like 50% more eff across the board too

Also check if your Ssania gets the Lily huff

[ashen silo]

Is s2 Lilly required? And isn’t that team a manual

Is dragging ssania better than fangus

[wind ore]

That’s a hard thing to do as I had to make him just slightly slower than lily as ssania was lapping him

[ashen silo]

I think giga better on varian and artisan on Lilly imo

[wind ore]

i actually switched them around yesterday

to make val tanky with artisan and lily to take more turns with giga

[royal forge]

No the team is a auto team, with about 95% ish wr

[ashen silo]

Oh I see

[royal forge]

Yes, like night and day dif

[ashen silo]

Doesn’t ssania derp with her ult

[royal forge]

It’s fine to lap him

[royal forge]

With codex that ult will 1 shot

[royal forge]

The only usage of Holden is s3 anyway

[ashen silo]

I see

[royal forge]

As long as he s3 first

I’d do crit rate effacc effacc

For module

With some substats should get you there

[wind ore]

But ssania wastes s2

Which feels bad

As lily pulled her up past Holden

[royal forge]

I mean

Lower Lily speed I guess

Or another thought is

Make Holden so slow that

He is the slowest member

So Lily pushes him

But then he gets the Lily buff

Just make Lily slower I guess

[wind ore]

and here i was try harding making her go brrr fast lol

[royal forge]

I mean faster the better lol, but if your Holden can’t match that it’s rough

Ssania slower also works

[wind ore]

lowered lily now gonna try it

[royal forge]

The issue isn’t Holden, it’s ssania being too fast

Your Holden still need those stats tho, the crit and eff acc

[wind ore]

yeah gonna slow ssania

[royal forge]

Else you gonna miss the dispel

[wind ore]

maybe i just battlewill bramble ssania ?

[royal forge]

That’s what I have lol

With codex you really don’t need speed

Codex and Lily

[wind ore]

changed a few things lets see how it goes

[wind ore]

got it fixed ty a bunch gatekeeper

you are the goat for this and Doki runs

[royal forge]

damn 1:04 really good time

nice

[wind ore]

Yup that’s this set

Doki is set

Now somehow to progress into inferno aurora maybe

And rengoku

[drowsy cloud]

why with about the same stats I only get 50% 60% wr

[raven cargo]

Please send your stats xD

[wind ore]

gimme like 5-10

[exotic ridge]

lily needs to give s2 buff for ssania? or doesn't matters? I heard she gives s2 to whoever has the most atk

[wind ore]

yeah you want it on ssania

https://streamable.com/tipr8v @raven cargo there ya go

[raven cargo]

Thank you very much, I will go and try it.

[wind ore]

❤️

[raven cargo]

Ty!! Perfect run

[wind ore]

lets go!

gratsy

[drowsy cloud]

Why i have 50% wr with the same stats

[wind ore]

you tell me

[drowsy cloud]

the only difference is that my lily has 3 less speed

[drowsy cloud]

Like why its doesnt work

[raven cargo]

You need to check what's wrong. You have to find the problem yourself. Don't copy the same stats 100%, find a way that works for you by using the other guy's stats as a reference.

Can you send a video of a run?

Maybe we can help you with something, but I can't guarantee that you'll have 100% / 90% WR in all runs, sometimes due to RNG resistance you can lose 3 out of 7. Sometimes you'll win all 10. There is no 100% WR, honestly.

[drowsy cloud]

i dont tank ig is thats

[raven cargo]

That's probably it xD

[ashen silo]

Most likely your Holden wasn’t landing dispell and could be other factors

[drowsy cloud]

he never miss i just dont tank

[royal forge]

If your wr is really really really low

With seemingly no problem

It’s probably Holden missing dispels

Make sure to have 1 crit 2 eff right side module on Holden

Then is making sure your Ssania is slow enough

And Lily having decent speed

[paper plume]

@raven cargo Can you help with my issue pls?

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1391520809910272041

Posted 8h ago and no one saw >.<

[paper plume]

Im done with this, 8/10 only 2 wins, and last 10 runs 0 /10

[ashen silo]

What’s your team stats

I can try

[ashen silo]

Is Holden landing the debuff?

Might wanna try to get your fangus and ssania faster?

[paper plume]

Holden do not miss landing debuffs

Team dies randomly at mid rotation

I mean, after Sania S3 and etc

[ashen silo]

Is your Lilly dragging your ssania?

You would have to show me a run @paper plume

[ashen silo]

Maybe Lilly s2 max might help

Unless I see the run idk how to help

@paper plume might wanna try giga shell on Holden maybe he isn’t stripping fast enough

[lunar prawn]

@ashen silo he posted the run here

[ashen silo]

The pic they just showed versus the versus the video a bit different

[ashen silo]

That shows Lilly and Holden moving first then the head

[lunar prawn]

hmm strange

[lunar prawn]

apparently the recently pic he took here shows lily has 262 spd

but the one in the post says lily has 236 spd

🤔

[ashen silo]

I mean people update there gear

[lunar prawn]

true

oh well just gotta wait until he posts an updated run

[ashen silo]

Maybe have everyone on artasin

[ashen silo]

I’m no expert or have the dot team but I’m trying my best to help the person you know

[lunar prawn]

haha all goods , im no expert too and to be honest idk if i can help cause i don't even have lily myself so i don't really know her moveset lmao

[ashen silo]

All you need to know she drags people on s1 always when max out and s2 advance a unit sometimes instant takes a turn proovide speed to all and crit damage buff to the single unit s3 reduce all cooldown and shell of select unit most likely dps

[ashen silo]

I don’t have ssania or fangus even tho I want dot team

[lunar prawn]

ty for the explanation :)\

[lunar prawn]

yea dot team is absolutely cracked

you basically stack up the dots and then ssania s3's and its over

[ashen silo]

Increase in. Hp doesn’t effect dot team it’s incredible to witness the struggles for non dot teams

[paper plume]

I did some changes but... still missing a lot of runs, https://youtu.be/RGrCPgOtuJ4 (lily 264spd Holden 268)

[paper plume]

Yeah, im over 5-6h swapping gear and Pets

[ashen silo]

It processing? I can’t play video

I sss it now

[paper plume]

yes

3min

[ashen silo]

@paper plume try giga on Holden so he can cut in between and do things

And might want your fangus to move ahead of ssania I think so he provide dots

[paper plume]

but Ssania moves bc of Lily S2, cannot afford another Spd 265+ gear to move before Lily

[ashen silo]

@paper plume maybe try to look at someone else’s run and try to copy it

[paper plume]

The thing is that I can do it in Manual is 100% winrate, I just can't afford to be spending stamina manually, so I try to find the auto
But when I leave the game in auto it creates chaos xD

[ashen silo]

Maybe give fangus codex too

You know the goal is to have your units provide lots of dots then have Sania detonate the dots

Maybe have Sania move slower so your fangus can do more dots

[ashen silo]

Think people say it’s RNG

@paper plume giving everyone artesin might make run more safer

[paper plume]

will try this, I have to farm another codex

[ashen silo]

Or have codex on both fangus and ssania and Holden with giga to cut in between to strip

More dots the better

Also maybe 6 star everyone for the extra stats

[royal forge]

It’s better to put fangus on artison for survival

Also the issue is that your Ssania is too fast

So fast too the point that Lily only lapped her once

Your idea is to keep her slow so Lily can drag her for more s1, and kill boss on the third turn with s3

Also you have no bulk somehow

Like you units have 18k hp with 1.3k defense

Working in bulk isn’t a bad idea

[ashen silo]

Can someone help build me a team

[raven cargo]

hablas español?

[paper plume]

Ambos, digame

[paper plume]

I would have to look for a completely new set, because each item has spd

[ashen silo]

If your Sania fast speed up your other units

[ashen silo]

Just try to make your other units faster

[paper plume]

I have only been playing for 1-2 weeks, I think Speed Check is going to be more difficult, I will find another set for Ssania to slow her down with more bulk

i will also get codex for fangus

[ashen silo]

Everyone gonna farm doki doki anyways

Eventually your get better speed

I finaly got my Lilly to 300

[paper plume]

I have to improve DokiDoki's team, it also fails a lot because Rilmocha is not well equipped

(only 1 lattice left)

[royal forge]

#1386207053877346344

[royal forge]

at that point just dont run codex, run something like a artison

it is slower, a bit less reliable, but its still like 80% wr ish

[weary sparrow]

Oh wow just another SSania + Lily comp, what a fucking treat. This game is a fucking joke.

[royal forge]

i mean if you look at the guide, i have a freya ssania guide too

ssania is definitely the easist team, but not the only team, particularly now after people cooked a little bit

[rigid vector]

Does anyone have a budget team for nightmare 3?

Im still lvl30 don't have any better modules

I been running ditting, massiah, lily, valerian and Dinah, im stuck on nightmare 3

[paper plume]

tbh, I am looking for a team that can do it in Auto (with at least 50% or + of WR) because in 3-4 days they put x2 again and I want to take advantage of the 60 stamina pots while I work

[paper plume]

Better now?

[paper plume]

https://youtu.be/GdtivqypDrU

[slow onyx]

Hello can we remplace holden ? i don't have him

[royal forge]

Any dispel works

I really like viper and veronika

But stuff like Heinrich doesn’t sound bad either

[royal forge]

.

[slow onyx]

I have mia too so whats the best between them ?

I don't have enough ressources for all of them

[slow onyx]

.

[royal forge]

Mia is a no for auto

[slow onyx]

And you say unbreakable bramble for ssania but if i run codex i don't have the bonus

[royal forge]

She doesn’t dispel first turn

Right if you run codex just make her slow and hit all the eff acc checks with bulk

Very simple build

[slow onyx]

So viper seems to be the good choice

i can use him in aurora too

[royal forge]

Sure

[slow onyx]

I don't understand the word bulk

What do you mean ?

[royal forge]

Like

Hp and defense

Defensive stats

It’s basically ehp

Effective hp

[slow onyx]

On Ssania i run x3 %acc

[royal forge]

Normally it’s def*hp

Eh slam in some bulk if you can

It’s kinda needed, the more bulk the better the run

[slow onyx]

Well i need to wait for that lol

[royal forge]

I’d try for a bloodbath if you can lol

lol I mean that’s the Etheria being Etheria

Take your time

[slow onyx]

Yea and thanks for your advice

[slow onyx]

Btw do you have a guide for doki without mocha ?

Or you can just put xiada with the same stats check

[royal forge]

xiada works

its a lot less consistent and takes a lot longer

and you no longer runs 4 codex

but run artison and the normal artis

[slow onyx]

yea sadly i don't have macha/holden and dokidoki

[royal forge]

xiada works tho

its less investment as well

[outer hollow]

How important is maxing all of fangus skills?

[royal forge]

its alr, s2 s3 super important s1 is good to have

more dots and more chances to land dot always perfered

[distant pike]

Apologies for the ping,I am a noob when it comes to all this I like the dot team and the idea of it. Just hard stuck nightmare 3 😅 if I follow pinned comment you think I could beat nightmare 3 for terromat? I realized I messed up fangus modules went the purple ones. But everyone else I’m okay so I just gotta rework that. Then work on shells

[wind ore]

Hein is good as well if you level up his s3 since it has 2 turn block

[royal forge]

Should work

It’s max hp damage anyway

[distant pike]

Meaning damage scaled off Hp?

I see people use I think he called Holden is he worth?

[royal forge]

yes

you can use viper as well

[slow onyx]

Btw i've checked on google but viper in terror is tier 5, so idk

[royal forge]

but with a lot more effacc on other units

[royal forge]

doesnt he dispel?

[slow onyx]

Yea

[royal forge]

OHHH bc he is green

mbmb

i mean boss is green

and he is blue

so he gets 1 tapped

ya use holden veronika heinrich

[slow onyx]

oh thats why

[royal forge]

mbmb

[slow onyx]

Well i will go for heinrich i think veronika is not used in other content no ?

[royal forge]

any dispel works just as long as they dont die immediatelt

[slow onyx]

Atleast heinrich is usable

[royal forge]

sure, veronika gives cheat death and sheild too

heinrich is more offensive

[sage nacelle]

holden or heinrich better

[royal forge]

holden

[ashen silo]

Cachi the guard can work

[paper plume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693812838149652510/1383847716752326778/Jammies-1x.gif

[royal forge]

being fast hurts lol

[paper plume]

the problem was that it was too fast, Lily didn't have time to put dots with the FollowUp, I also put Codex to Sania and Fangus, although I have to change them, to lower their spd

And I'm afraid to upgrade to Ssania 6*, because it will have more base spd

[ashen silo]

Doubt it be that
Much increase but more stats for survival

I’m struggling to outspeed kloss with Heinrich

[paper plume]

[royal forge]

if it works it work

[distant pike]

What modules would you use on fangus or does it matter how much hp in get only

[royal forge]

Speed strive works

[distant pike]

Much appreciated

[frigid niche]

what's the minimum spd for dispeller? if i have lily and doesnt have lily

[paper plume]

Terrormaton moves at 262, so, minimum lily 263 and Holden/Dispeller 264

[frigid niche]

thanks

[ocean ginkgo]

Any replacement for holden?

[royal forge]

any dispel works

[spring jacinth]

Wtf is bulk

[wind ore]

Tankiness

[spiral light]

I appreciate this OP, I really needed some kinda minimum requirements. Fortunately I can run this. Thanks again!

[ocean ginkgo]

Tyy

[jovial shell]

I am so cooked if its the speed req i have like 210 speed on my lily rn

[wind ore]

then you are very far off inferno

[haughty thunder]

I am being told dot tema cant achieve 100 wr in terror, is that true? it still rlies on rng

[umbral oar]

False

[haughty thunder]

but how can it achieve 100 wr if it relies on holden dispel etc anyting can happen

[royal forge]

Only rng is holden dispel

And holden dispel is once in 30 runs to miss

The chance is small enough that you can basically ignore it

[haughty thunder]

so I feel like u should upgrade holden s3 till lvl 3 then right

[royal forge]

right

[cloud estuary]

Still 100% wr?

[echo jasper]

seems like holden is mandatory for this comp. ended up getting ssania over the weekend, and tried to make it work with veronika, but it feels very inconsistent without holden s2 sadly ):

[umbral oar]

More of an issue of Veronika being too slow and relying on her turn meter push, I haven’t lost when she’s went first even with terrible dot rng but I run codex

If u meet speed req + run coded you should be fine

[umbral oar]

^ 1-1-1 veronika 4 star no investment

[steel bluff]

this lily fast enough?

[echo jasper]

oh that's kinda relieving to find out! what's your veronika's speed? are you cutting before both the attacking arm and the main body or just the main body?

[fierce ledge]

I run 265 veronika to cut the main body without push, she becomes a holden x valerian due to the cheat death buff to team, just need to make sure your other units are slower than main body. I kept them around 230 (except dps due to lily push)

[echo jasper]

sounds good thanks for the input!

[royal forge]

you ask me

[serene hare]

i have all characters except holden.... is there a good dispeller...

SR Dispeller*

[fierce ledge]

Mizuki Makoto
You can use red kazami too but dispel only on s2

[serene hare]

I see ill use mizuki then thx a lot !

[forest pendant]

F2p but no Holden only then what to do?

[dense yarrow]

Vigor? On any other strip + atk break first turn

[forest pendant]

I have Heinrich, how about him?

[ocean ginkgo]

can fangus change shell?