#inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k
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i should've noticed she was off bw
and slower than lilith for some reason even though forgetfulness into lilith is my holden cc combo
whats your ign
Wuzzy24/7
ic
I mean it checks out. People don't like absurd powercreep when there's already issues with game balance and resources lmao
Diting is so insanely strong
ummmm
it's wuzzychan
Nah
i was scrolling through my rta history and there was a wuzzychan w marvel pfp there, funny that game so dead we all bump into each other
yis thats me uwu
did i win or lose
lose
must been a while i barely play rta and that was on my last 20 matches 
i dont even wanna do rta for shell forge zzz
but yea game is so ded lel
i see kekker etc in ethearena so often
Don't worry
U won't lose when there are less players

i love bots
pls bless me with 7 bots on fearless arena, thanks.
i pray one day we get easier fearless arena reward, before it slowly force me to quit
chg the name to happy collect reward arena thanks

me sitting on the corner and krii everyweek chasing for the champion reward.

i thought game supposed to make me happy


lmao lost the discord tag
This server did?
not showing on my profile list and some people don't have it anymore
Lmfao
As someone who has been playing since release and has every dungeon on sub 1 minute runs and is getting new players into the game, the PvE aspect of this game is very off-putting. The PvE is way overtuned and is definitely pushing people away.
@ripe kraken its funny that stella sora got cooked by kr because of this 🤏
Huh
another one
i don't think kr plays this game or they would complain about this already 
What's wrong with it
i thought u knew about the drama going on w kr that even affected czn a while ago sorry for the ping i guess
Hmm I know the czn drama
But what is wrong with that char
Like what tilted them
For sora
I mean
Oh
is the game saved
someone said that next hypertalk will save the game
They look so uncomfortable in those
their honest reaction
granted they are given a script
but it def kinda gives school presentation where the kid is reading off what's on the slideshow
word for word
Kr ppls ego must be super fragile
oh I saw the other czn drama
lmao
where the director of czn was "caught" playing wuwa
😭
How is that a bad thing?
I have no idea
ig it's seen as being lazy cuz why u playing other games instead of working on ur own?
given the controversies over owen and the story
Damn bro
It's almost like he's human or something lol
the small pp gesture is also like
so telling lol
why y'all gotta announce to the world you have a small pp and insecure
league of legends iirc also had to change an emote or skin back in the day
I wonder what made them so bitter. I guess it's a social problem I'm to stupid to figure out
they are unsuferable
it seems like the straight male krs are really just not having it ool
they should just unban p*rn already, people are so lonely and lash into the smallest things
fr
The Korean male gestalt has lost its collective mind
And they lose decades of productivity time to anxious meltdowns every time they see the 🤏 emoji
The online types, anyway
it also seems female kr are like biting back too, they don't wanna fw them
The Twitter accounts that document guys acting insane over there are really funny and vicious
Just be normal and get a wife
yep
Why is that so hard
get an egirl
I still think it's funny a shota ended up being public enemy #1 in czn
This is why we skip story
jealous that a zoomer has more rizz smh smh
Don't they have the 4b movement in Korea?
So they can't?
I'm pretty sure that's like ten people with loud twitters who nobody cares about irl
Well Korea has its lowest fertility rate in it's history rn
Sure but that doesn't mean it's a result of those people lol
Wdym. It's for gender equality or something
There's a broader group for that and then there's the 4bs who are extremists
Yeah
Mainly because its unbeliveably unattractive to have kids there
But yeah i cant grasp at all how anybody can be mad at this sign 
There isnt a kr server right?
Anyway whoever can play this past 3 months has a huge dong anyway
So.no worries
no
marathon in the desert type shit
Finally ER devs did something right. LMAO
til they censored the leopard print in maplestory cuz it looks like the gesture
😭
omg also many more
It's so pathetic
i can't mannnnnnn
Wait seriously fr??
Wtf???
I think these guys need therapy
@loud locust true?
holy
aint no way
kr community is a nightmare
erm idk!
id say theres a lot of opportunity and good changes n direction but for most people it all depends on balance patch
what
next hypertalk will save the game
that's what c gonna read out from the teleprompter
save me 
too much trouble
to preset gears again just to go pvp :c
just thinking of that i alrdy got lazy 
wish we have a whole deck preset
just noticed the bots on the new pve event
predyth catching strays
remember when general and etheria chats had slow mode
srry @predyth
P5 555
black beacon eos'd 🌅
incredible, more time for etheria for those players
game saved

global shafted for cn success, i think history will repeat itself
Last month global revenue was 400 k right
When it drops to 100 k then u should worry
For us sure
But I kinda want them to do something like tof did
Warp server mmo simulator
So rta simulator with dev accounts XD

My friend plays it on his 3060
Minimum vram is 6
It cant be lower than that
Lowest setting - 6gb = 60~ without dlss or fg
Dlss 80~
Fg 100~

i got 4gb
flop beacon
To be fair i was playing 1800p LMFAO
Hmm the og kenny this thread opener changed his name to cut huh
im ready to cultivate
is the game saved
Nope
he looks like a whore
so u guys have something in common
um no im not a whore
YOU
why did they make u do rta for shell forge
chopped event smh
i have to do rta without the shell i need 
how can this game surprise u at this point
AND WIN
its literally been lowering the bar for 6 months
do u think Jack gets laid
you
Ok chris would be
i wouldnt pay for your services thats for sure
um ain't nobody want u
20 usd per hour wuzzy
yeah thats right wuzzy, no one wants your services
Price
u jelly cuz u smell irl
u smell like bigfoot
bigfoot ain't reat so how would u know
oh he real
theres one right here
name wuzzy
u
U are in which irons guild
it'll end when u stop being a lil betch
i wonder what the number would be if you purged inactive members
5k tops
um excuse me
Maybe 20k
30k tops
thats optimistic
There are like 20k actives online everyday
But who knows if they still.play this
And cant be bothered to leave
Most are here to see new servers open up
Bro if you want to bring a great game to the convo, bring something else
You comparing bottom of the trash etheria with middle of the trash czn
Its a pve game so you gonna run out of content soon and the same thing you did in er you gonna do in czn
Farm resources like a slave to work

Meh it’s like a side game
This game gonna eos in global like black beacon
So it’ll be long time before I run out of stuff to do
not for long
As it should
Same revenue as low tier gooner cash grabs
Sg didn't promise to communicate but the changes they are doing feels like they are listening
meanwhile Etheria dev have promised multiple times that they will listen but they are still don't listen 
Sg have to listen cause Koreans have always been under their necks
But for XD it's different
Cn don't even know that they existed

Hyper talk more like hyper advertising
Even though nether quarry is a reskin of cage rumble people appreciate it so I think now they will just reskin their events as new stuff
Because for pvp i am having fun in er more then e7
It feels fresh
I was playing like 1000 game a season when I was 3 month into e7
and they made worse
Anymore
Now I don't play e7 rta but gw is still 100times better then etheria
Watch kloss card collection event be renamed as hell kid lab sample collection
XD
"SG DiDNt promise to communicate", blud how much cock sucking you gonna do for these gacha companies. They got to fucking communicate cause
A. They are a live service game
B. Korea is on their neck
Comparing clownass Xd with clownass SG.
Its peeps like you that accept slop and mediocrity like genshit and hoyo games.
Er will also reach same point as e7 in pvp at high roster of units
I know you hate sg
I have never heard of them posting like etheria that we will communicate for czn
That's what I am saying
Meanwhile Etheria whole selling point was Dev will listen every cc was saying that
I want Kenny to make a top 10 reasons why he hates SG list
You dont need to pat any game devs on the back for giving out basic communication
I am just saying I know every dev need to communicate
1 - 10. I play cleave and cc
And do you think i glaze er
Yes

What is there to bring about er comms
Kenny # 1 ER glazer. The tablets foretold of our ER prophet
We all know they cant speak english
Er speaks in thoughts and prayers
And copium
Ive called er devs clowns more times than any other peeps here
The mods would have banned my ass if they thought er was doing good now

I needed to refresh to get to lv50 because mf dev lock every main content behind lv50
This is what glazing sg does
damn thats a nice roster
And you all just roast the koreans for fighting against sg
Should have just used daily stam and that’s it
I got to 50 that way
its ok kenny etheria will be saved
Barely refreshed stam unless it was for zero
Its about to get black beaconed

Raymerry is already them opening the flood gates
Stupid ass unit
If they dont nerf shit then they gonna have to come up with even more broken unit and its gonna be gg then
Don’t you love power creep
I have to let mummy (Tia) out of her cage because of raymerry
Thats why i quit e7
lol
Clowngate powercreeping the hell out of that game
at least e7 tourney is fun to watch
Tbh gacha games are supposed to have power creep that inevitable
Ml Yulha is waiting for you in Infermary
No spd rng here but then there is plume cr push, and all the other cutting mechanics which makes this game ass as well
Since they need to make more and more money
Theres a thing called balancing sir
can they release boss arunka on etheria already
Another one of the stupid units sg released
Looks like any other goon bait character
Nikke character design way better than this
Balancing teams don’t know how to balance properly
They go from 10 to 100

Instead of going 10 to 20
I hope people cry a lot so she gets gigs nerfed
The devs need to play their own game and problem is all of them dont play their own game
I don’t want a 60k hp genisis ras one shotting my whole team with 1 s3
Nah she is not as broken as lady and brunka
Even the mods of this game dont play er and ask video where?
So how would we expect the devs to play their own shit game
Lady is easy to beat same barunka
I let people pick them in rta cause they feel safe with them then I just clap them
Rinak and friren are way more broken than those 2
But c will say to you that they are playing everyday harcore and are even in top 100

can't blame c for the Chinese lying
beautiful head
Good thing they just fixed that today

here i refresh around 2k gems to get to lv50
And I got lv50 today
damn devs listened moment

So now 99% rta mods quit the game
Only bread still playing but even then hes addicted to czn 
Dead game
Everything's fine. They just opened new servers last week 
My number 1 status is closer and closer
Communication is not a requirement of live service games contrary to what you think
Otherwise WoW never would have made it to 20 years
It is of course appreciated but they don't have to communicate to be successful unfortunately. It certainly does help though
This whole KR has SG by the balls idea for E7 is highly overstated and inaccurate. There's way more documented instances of stuff KR was on board for that the West flat out said no to and SG backed down
Typically the stuff KR says no to, we're saying hell no to. So of course it'll look like SG backed down due to KR but name a single thing Korea hated that we weren't damn near rioting about on forums and discords here
Meanwhile ER wants units like Plume and Raymerry in a game that's not even at the point in it's life cycle to handle them. These are kits that would probably make for "decent" chars in current E7 so imagine this game in a few years after a couple more of these
Raymerry is powercrept Bystander Hwayoung we’ve skipped 7 years of build up and powercrept a modern E7 unit
WoW had devs on the forums and massive yearly conferences
And also wasn't designed to succeed solely by one-shotting people with bad brain chemistry rolls
Imagine thinking wow devs used to communicate on the forums
And it wasn't just majority of CMs flaming people
They did better than these companies
They'd post patch notes
But actually communicating nah they didn't really do that until after WoD
In case you forgot we rather you just not play Demonology as their idea of communication
I honestly still cannot believe that kit after seeing it
The ray kit?
ArenaNet was great yeah sadly another thing to add to the pile of shit mismanaged by NCSoft
Yeah Raymerry kit
It's absurd
Like i thought I was reading an E7 kit
Yup I still don't onow to this day why some resets happen in ER kits
Even as confusing as BBK 2x Immortality vs Scales Immortality procs and recognizing which is which, i still know
Just proves my point lmao
Writing an essay to prove a point, like where do these rats come out and write a long ass essay on gacha game instead of working on their college thesis.
name em
Now we need a frieren in etheria

can't wait for the skill nulify shit to hit this game
new server soon
I'm interested to see what Ethernet sweep looks like
anyone has a pic of the lily skin
Tf? When they announced that?
Last patch notes
Thanks
🫡
Makes me wonder if they taking action now cause china complained
This dumbfucks at xd could have done this shit from month 2 of the game
the terror nerf made me realize that already
november 19th is technically almost month 2 of etheria :)
100%
They know this is their last shot
If they fuck this up they're done
Idk if these companies just stupid or what.
They could have revenue from two sides global and cn
But all of them tend to only focus on cn

They were arrogant cuz global release raked a lot of money from the rebate
So they thought they could milk.more
Therefore they buff inferno
Big mistake
Now they're jumping around trying to please cn cuz if they fuck up there is no 2nd chance.
Damn i used to remember when that shit was cancer
Global is alr pretty much dead
Now its gonna be 100k at the end of the year
I dont think these guys who develop these games play it at all
If all the qol was there and inferno wasnt buffed at global release, this game would be going strong still
Ngl
Yeah
They really took the piss on this one
Its core gameplay is great considering it copied from e7 who copied from summoners war
I think the idea for the nether quarry is really cool
I hate that it became a whale check but it's gacha so
Its not a new idea
Not at all yeah
But implemented correctly it can be good
Ex e7 devs
They wait till.now to finally get their shit together
Nah its only cool if resources werent limited
Are these guys ex e7 devs or just played it
They were in testing team
Even fking p2w 7knights has half anni rewards
For units
And a lot of free shit too
Its p2w?
Yes
Nah he's just insufferable getting washed in E7 now he thinks he's hot shit in a dead game 
wdym petrify wasn't working?!? 
I seriously didnt know much about them
But i keep hearing them in many games i play now
Isnt marvel rivals netease too

Net jar

Yeah dont have any clue about these chinese companies
'all Chinese are the same'
~Kenny31

took too long to fix shit tbh, range to retain players is 1-3 months, more than that is really hard
I think its gg already
The players aint coming back
2025 Gacha players aren't the same as the ones from 2018
You need to move fast to keep them
Its clear they saw global as a quick cash grab
if people didn't came back to ld select was already a sign
No more 7 year Marathons
I ain't coming back that's for sure
Instead players compare it constantly to e7 and summoners war release
because what about give me latticed ld than a 1/1/1 shitter
We told them from the jump what were critical issues that needed to be addressed asap the fact that they are still problems now shows anything they do is just to save face and once they are "okay" again it'll be the same shit
🧘♂️ they think this is me waiting for the devs to fix their shit
^ this. Gotta compare yourself to the current market to survive these days
Yup they reap what they sow
Well its the go next meta, got their cash from global and can just shut it down and focus on cn
Less work for them

I think this is their intention yeah
Focus on making cn happy
They found out what works and doesnt work on global so now just focus on cn and make the game steady there
Dont need to worry about overseas publishers and can just focus on the chinese market since they chinese themselves
Except their domestic market hates them too
CN just praying for XD downfall with every new game
is this true?
But it's so weird that player's still defend this practice
So company get away with it
China numba wan
And take their sweet time
I'm neutral. Just vibing until I stop enjoying ER
So they don't give a fck
Hoyo is built different
XD thinking they are that standard is delusional
Just look at their comments on XD on BiliBili
It's real
they dont actually make alot from their games
They only listen during the first years of a new title then ignore you once it stabilizes
its their taptap and other bs
Remember the old days of HSR players saying 'genshin could never'?
Hoyo was listening so hard back then 
XD kinda failed in game creating
Once HSR took off they stopped listening
I was trying to search for them but whenever I use Google search it shows etheria glazing videos in cn content creators
I think that's why they got like Uzi and other big names in CN
XD should just stick to buying over platforms and maintaining them, they cant make games without fucking up stuff
lil Uzi vert
Weird that soc is good but etheria was never take care of
Cuz their previous reputation was pretty bad even chinses speakers who played global memed about it in here before
apparently soc was overbudget
and
they failed to make the money back
lots of drama in that game too
SoC nearly died
How can u call it good tho

I see so that's why they must have made etheria more of a low budget style
Then stabilized and they've been scared ever since
It didnt even made a buzz after the game was released
It had good release
yeah i think they got scared
Later fell off
so they cut the budget
They won't do anything to risk the status quo
That style of gameplay doesnt work in 2025
SoC had the quality of a single player game but had to tack on the Gacha element last minute
Even in Shanghai interview of 50 members artist team review of etheria states that
Not built gacha-first like the other stuff
They had to work around with what they were given with
Tbh they could have devoured WotV playerbase if they actually added real pvp
Yeah should have just released it as single player
For the niche market
And just owned the tactics sphere for gachas
And I think gacha back in days didn't had this much audience
the gacha aspect saved the game apparently
cuz without it
the losses would be even bigger
Its cause it got popular cause of mobile being accessible
Everyone nowdays have mobile phones
Made sense releasing it as a Gacha since they could continue their vision and recoup costs
Instead of dying as a $30 Nintendo eShop title
Yes that's why even though games like dna aren't optimized for mobile still they release
Even 6 year old kids have phones nowdays and since mobile is used everyday gacha became popular
I mean there's actually demand for tactics like games with pvp
A lot of peeps dont have time to hop on pc anymore
The issue is the best options are FEH or was WotV
And fk Square gachas
Those shits are always cash grabs before eos
This is also a concern since recently in my country these young guns plan who to kill in their class in WhatsApp groups literally
So they at work or outside most times. And what better to spend time than playing mobile during travel
Covid gave this side effect
Gacha game cheaper and more accessible
Dont need no 1k dollar pc to play
Yes
Yeah I remember early on they had some oiler guilds join for PVP but they never really did anything with it
Actually 1k amount already exceeded now a days
With ram prices and SSD prices
On high
PVP is treated as an event or something you do with friends in your free time
and they suuuuucked
Well that type of gameplay soc has doesnt appeal to many peeps nowdays
yup it was a bad idea
devs didnt do their market research
Oh so that's the inspiration for Champs call
When i saw that gameplay i thought i was back in 2000s
bunch of dumbass corpos

that's one of looking at it
Cuz they were 5 years into development like jack team
At least SoC let you clear shops if you wanted
Yeah the gvg was whatever and they finally added an RTA mode to WotV and it was popular but the playerbase was already too small by then

Its either going the risky route and trying something new or copy old formulas
I don't even like pvp like that, but they really should have this stuff ready for launch
But I get budget concerns and execs breathing down your neck
That's why they don't try anything new so risk is out of the ball game already
Well yeah since there is more corporations now than back then
You cant afford risk since the economy isnt like back then
I think the reason etheria is in this state is also the view of how soc went but learning from previous mistakes rather than safe guarding them with low budget is like
Everything is expensive af
Why experiment when I can release genshin clone 69 in unreal engine xx?
And if you fail then its gg
I am injured I need a retired hitter in place of me to play
Hoyo copied zelda botw since their previous game wasnt doing great
I think ai will improve to a point where everyone will be able to make tons of etheria restart for themselves
And they hit the jackpot

Since the casuals just eat anything mid
like who
F2p botw game while I'm trapped inside thanks to covid? Sign me up buddy
Wuzzy
First point is casuals don't have the time to complaint
wuzzy
dam yall know a 2nd wuzzy
yeah both suck
you swallow
But 2nd wuzzy has hair
It was basically bootleg zelda that can be played on mobile
Atleast
No wonder genshit got popular
Than a fish on head
good ol Chinese tactics
The graphics at that time for a mobile game was amazing
Since most of the mobile games had ps1 graphics
It was picture perfect how everything aligned for genshin to be successful

The Japanese should be ashamed. They have some of the greatest videogame IPs and all they can make are shitty cashgrabs
Zelda botw being on the nintendo helped it a lot
Since most peeps dont have nintendo
Yes
So it was like playing bloodborne without ps4
They invented the term gacha and china and korea outdo them

Pre genshin era really was PS2/Xbox graphics or menu clicker PNG casinos
do u remember this one
Based sepia enjoyer
I actually played it
Yes thats why it made such a impact

And my account even got banned
Banger
Cause I refunded my purchases
A genshin impact 
By the time I quit I was the top player in my server
And now the gacha companies are copying genshit
So I knew where things were heading
what actual fuck
Seeing their success
Frrr bro. They're simultaneously innovative and so backwards
I personally know when I am top on the lists of my server the game died for my server
Yes even if u join now u can get easily top 1
In the game
Japan has gone down hill in terms of innovation in media
Mfers had so much creativity back then in manga and anime
Since it's like 6 players or 3 per server
And they have more than 300 servers
For a first year release
future generations of mangaka being raised on isekai slop and shitty power fantasies
But people are actually tired kinda
Naruto chasing sasuke would had made more sense if sasuke was a girl
So they give open world a go for one month
Now
And depends if they stick to it or not
I mean that what happens when you get clones and u milk the formula
The entire gacha space will either get heavily diluted like IT or a shift will happen
With stuff like dna ananta
Dna failed
U mean ai?
Ai can easily create ton of Isekai slops

Korean getting shamed for their stupid concern for this emote meanwhile japan embracing ntr


true
It's fine to ntr there cause of the work hours
The creators of ugly bastard
It's just insane
Time to move to Japan and find a nice housewife to NTR
And recently jp president said each person only deserves 2 hrs of sleep
Japan is speed running corpa capitalism
They already have them sleeping in pods
Gen z don't over show their skill set
Cause they might get promoted
So they do bare minimum

One of my friends going through that rn
Promoted to manager and now we never have time to cuddle and watch anime

I miss him
Like no dude should go that far for another dude like naruto did for sasuke

Depends on the guy ngl
Australians actually go that far I think
I'd go to war over Haku 
The lengths naruto went for sasuke made me think he was gay for sasuke

Thats just a girl that authors wanted to make it as a guy
Sakura was just made to be throwed in trash it's funny how there are still sakura defenders rising after they say they watched boruto
Sakura is ass

A pretty accurate description of the trap phenomenon in anime 
Draw girl
Say it's guy
Crossdressing's too ingrained in their culture to be shocking
More for comedy or fetish purposes
Tf?
yes
You not fat?


Opm was cooked the moment madhouse stepped down
they the only ones who could animate opm
Nah
Bandai only gave 6 months
For the season
Opm season 2 took 2 years
They to finish all the episodes in 6 months
Duration
Blud ufotable and madhouse the only ones that can animate opm to the level of the art the opm manga was
Madhouse is infamous for doing only 1 season
JC staff not on the same level as madhouse
I havent watched anime in a long time but madhouse was known back then as the best studio in terms of animation
7DS was animated like a PowerPoint from the start
I mean lets be honest
both of those two didnt have good animation
for konosuba it worked
cause it was goofy and its a comedy anime
So its right up your alley
um no urs
tho tbh I watched it in high school so I was like oh this is fine
but now as an adult I'm like why did I watch this 💀
tho ig it kinda works cuz it's supposed to be brainrot
It worked for fairy tail.too
Because of the power of nakama
Most shonen work cause its directed for a younger generation
aiaz is a hentai consumer most of the time
meh
i've stopped for quite a while
Yeah its all the power of friendship crap a lot of children will easily buy into
Lies
mmmhmmm
they would love etheria restart
aiaz jorkin it rn
now why am i in it
Cause you attained jackzzz
90 he 90
Wait now chris should ban you if you are 12
Chris don't know
you're crusty
More like putrid furry energy
nop
Yop
mad cuz you old
How can furry be bald?
I ain't
this is why none of y'all are invited to hypertalk
the hit web show of 2025
discussing all things ETHERIA RESTART
bruh are u invited
remember to polish your bald ass headf
Ews 2025 is right around the corner
Next month
Children aint ready for the grind
Which surprises me as to why they spend so much in marketing in global only to leave it to die

We used to make fun of every cc jumping to make thumbnail, now all the paid mfers already left the game
Cuz of soc failure
They cut r&d budget
And put it into marketing
They have though
Relly
Damn natsu be researching every chinese game devs history
etheria restart will win tga 2027
Its 2026
kenny is an ER scholar
Already won best gacha community of 2025
If im er scholar then game is already cooked
Ive talked more shit about er than anybody here
they tryna compete with hoyos animal crossing game
heartopia is gonna be the petite planet killer
Tf is this
😭
Nah kenny
that's heartopia u uncultured swine
This was back 3 months ago so the amount of shit ive given to er is huge
Money talks

Doesnt matter lol
they hired tectone
If you had 1m subs theyll be bending over backwards
who trashed the game after getting the check 💀
ud like that
So would u
um no
Um no
I bet u thinking about giving c backshots
With the amount of shit i talk about er devs you would think i dont play the game no more

He is famous
famous for trashing games 💀
And gacha companies only care about reach which peeps like tectone has
meanwhile black beacon
Whether that be famous or infamous
unknown and a flop
I didnt even know that existed before
No advertisement for that shit
yea fr
I RMB seeing it cuz I saw it on reddit
and I was interested in it
but so glad I never pursued it lol
Eos before 2026
didn't want to stay up for another launch like I did with ER
then when I saw the reviews wew
Damn u stayed up for er

I was just so done with the other crap rng game that it made me try out boot leg hsr
literally the worst decision ever
I played it for 2 days lmao
cuz that fcked up my sleep schedule for weeks

The story mode was ass but i saw some potential in the pvp
wish other devs can takeover instead





