inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[twilit vault]

basically they're asking new players to sacrifice or give up a piece of entertainment they were previously occupied with in order to full time Etheria, but as it turns out the juice isn't worth the squeeze

there's a reason why E7 implemented a clear progression path for farming and basically gives the players everything they need for it for free

lowering the barrier of entry into PVP and preventing more casual players from feelings of getting hardstuck on progression

PVP games live and die by a healthy PVP player population or lack thereof and so every design decision has to be subordinate to that goal

if that means you have to compromise a bit on your vision of Rengokutsu being extremely hihg difficulty content then so be it

[sour oracle]

it’s not even that imo

it’s like the game goes out of the way to not give you a means to beat him

[wet vault]

shhh if u say it out loud i fear that they gonna take away the only lattice in weekly events

[sour oracle]

niconana tells you you need to slow it, and outspeed and the game gives you a character that boosts spd and can slow

Hoyan they tell you to stun/cc the minions, and they give you a character for that

sharon is bad because there’s legit no way you’re beating that with lian or anything else they give you

goku just has 0 they give you to clear him. And there’s no clear sense of what they expect you to do even without explicitly giving you the tools

[twilit vault]

agreed there are no handholding or tools given for those 2 especially

[wet vault]

goku u need better rng :)

or just cry and pull for new animus that can easily “crush” him

[sour oracle]

i think goku hp should decrease by 20% and he should ONLY cycle between rgb

at least that way it’s cleaer to build a ld team, and there’s more ld free units youll get access to that are good and viable

[twilit vault]

you either meticulously jump through hoops with your early game progression rerolling & target summoning & leveling PVE-viable characters optimally and all that or you easily end up in a situation where you're stuck on someone like Sharon or Rengo without the tools to beat either, because you dont have the prints / lattices to level new characters

[twilit vault]

Niconana has also been downtuned so much as the first inferno dungeon that she's rather simple to deal with

[gilded mason]

Thats how it should be

[sour oracle]

Niconana and hoyan are well-designed

[wet vault]

everyone has been saying this but do devs even recognize? nope

[sour oracle]

theyre the amount of difficulty id expect from a 4-man inferno dungeon

[wet vault]

instead of tune down the boss they give us false advertisement

[sour oracle]

lots of different teams for them, accesible design, still requires spd tuning and decent stats to clear

[wet vault]

lol idk why are they so stubborn

at this point rengo isnt a problem anymore

economy in this game is the real problem

[twilit vault]

that's one of my favorite Barcode talking points: "this would be fine if you let us use 5 characters"

when discussing some of the shell bosses

[sour oracle]

Man rengo is 1000% still a problem. Idk why everyone is saying he isnt now lmao

[wet vault]

they expect us to use new animuses that they sell but they lock their full potential behind the lattices

[twilit vault]

they keep adding new problems like with this Module crafting event replacing Chaku Ring so people have their attention diverted elsewhere for a bit

but then players come back to Rengo and remember oh yeah, crap as always

[wet vault]

if you look at the bigger picture u can clearly see that lattice shortage, expensive module upgrade and lack of chip configs are more serious than rengo

but yes, rengo is a big problem after all

[outer falcon]

chips just need to be deleted

all other solutions look like some kind of advanced neurological disorder

you can't possibly balance them without full parity with data and that's asinine

[twilit vault]

bro just 2 weeks more of data collecting bro

trust

chip issue solved 100 %

[outer falcon]

ooo i'm reseaaaarching ooo i'm running querieeeeeees

i'm about to conCLUUUUUUUUUDE

[wet vault]

whales are leaving better hustle

[outer falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-gif-7310242

[twilit vault]

you just dont understand the magnitude of the economy calculations their bitcoin miner shelf size quantum computer is making right now

they projecting that stuff 550 parsecs into another galaxy

[glacial zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-optimus-prime-bumblebee-there-there-hugs-gif-23671927

[outer falcon]

time to find out what this fucker is all about eh

[twilit vault]

i tend to agree

[wet vault]

cant believe they nerf kururu before rengo

letscry and ask for reset events

[twilit vault]

the most annoying part of lack of chips is not being able to roll at least some decent passives on a shell

when a good one happens to drop and it's leveled to max

could at least give the ability to roll up to gold or something without chips

purple minimum

and i absolutely detest having to do the "level shell up to 10 to unlock first passive" because it's cheaper on chips that way

[outer falcon]

What's the big deal

Woulda been twice as fast if my middle cachi didn't randomly eat shit

time for the obol cheese

[sour oracle]

economy wouldnt be a big deal if pve wasnt so ssr-gated

like if you could clear most stuff with gray, lian, vice etc etc, it would be more reasonable to invest for specific pvp chars

[outer falcon]

tbh I don't think this team cared about the hp of those little bastards one way or the other but it is absolutely insane to nerf a true endgame pve boss before rengo who is harder than any of his endgame versions lmao

[wet vault]

im not saying about the yellow tofus alone man… upgrading modules price and reconfig chips are what i added

[gilded mason]

its ok for ethernet rally to be hard

not rengo lol

devs dont get this

[sour oracle]

yea again it wouldnt be so bad if the threshold is lower

Instead of having to roll max reds or yellows etc on everything to clear, it’d lower the pressure if you could use cheaper units and gear set-ups

but you gotta roll for multiple situations and it’s gotta be red or bust to function

[graceful cradle]

yup 2 days and i'm free

$3k deep

[glacial zinc]

what is r cachi doing? doesnt he just stun?

[orchid needle]

why 2 days

[twilit vault]

finishing gvg then quitting

[glass ruin]

what game yall moving to

[orchid needle]

o

[graceful cradle]

i never quit it, it's e7

just gonna stop wasting my time and money here

@orchid needle yup what anak said, just finishing out gw first cuz it's a thing in TL to not quit middle of a gw and wait til the weekend

[orchid needle]

[orchid needle]

star savior and czn

[wet vault]

Talentless?

[graceful cradle]

yuppers

[gilded mason]

yeah im also done i think

gonna hand in my resignation

[graceful cradle]

i was initially playing to give me more alternative to E7 while being similar and also being able to be there from the start but the time investment is still way too high

the packs still suck

and dev choices show that they will abuse loopholes to "keep promises" instead of just actually balancing which is a shame, i'm fine with nerfs personally but not the bullshit games

[outer falcon]

big pp pushback

[graceful cradle]

and once more @loud locust i appreciate all you do for the game and don't let the doomers get to you man, you're easily one of the best CMs i've seen in a gacha. It reminds me of like the old days with mmos where you built up a personal rapport with the CM team in the forums and such. It's just a shame that all these small things are marring the big efforts you're putting in - cuz for me, that patch was a huge W besides the Rengo thing and the Tia bugfix. Maybe in the future when things are a lot more fleshed out and it doesn't take so long to do literally anything i'll come back but the only way the team behind you will listen is when spenders like me leave cuz they are dissatisfied so hope this helps

[wet vault]

another whale leaving

o7

[glacial zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/funeral-salute-without-remorse-gun-salute-funeral-ceremony-prime-video-gif-20616247

[outer falcon]

why is someone cleaving me with a 250 speed mass

why the fuck is every single person cleaving and why do they all outgear me lmao

i don't know why i still play this either, i should have quit week 2 after not rolling Lily but oh well

[glacial zinc]

You dont have lily?
I thought you just disliked her

(Like me and ssania)

[outer falcon]

i dislike her fundamentally, whoever designed her should be fired

but i never got her either

[glacial zinc]

Ah

[glacial zinc]

Lot of that going on

[outer falcon]

not enough of it!

it's just all focused too much on Chris and not on the actual perpetrators

[glacial zinc]

Maybe if we had pictures and names we could give the hungry hounds their actual target

[gilded mason]

Cn people.will handle it

When game launches

Assuming anyone plays it

[glacial zinc]

[graceful cradle]

like i said i always felt chris does a great job

but at the end of the day he's not one of the devs or a shareholder so his opinion barely matters more than ours

[tiny sage]

They cant

SoC is making less in CN then global and they have whale events.

After the launch i expect cn to be behind global.

Launch month*

[wicked quiver]

what happened with SoC? I played it for a bit and it was fun

[outer falcon]

The moon and the sun are married and bug and the dirt are married the sea and the sky are married and the earth and the animals are married and the icecream and sprinkles are married and the dark and the light are married

[cedar aspen]

graven.image has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[fallow hornet]

Xd ran it to the ground

[wicked quiver]

how?

bad character designs? Bad events? no content?

[fallow hornet]

Idk i never played that game but i heard it from others lol

[outer falcon]

Tons of content, can't imagine they ever let that be a problem

[fallow hornet]

That chibi art style aint for me

[outer falcon]

I quit because the banners and overall monetization were ruthless but I only played 2 months

And it just wasn't that fun F2P

I miss my Gloria though

@glass vale are you the Axiom who makes SoC content?

[gilded mason]

oh yeah she the goat

[outer falcon]

If he's that Axiom then surely he can tell us why people decided they hated it

[wicked quiver]

oh yeah I do remember the resources as F2P being rough

like really rough

[outer falcon]

50/50 banners make me feel like someone's taking a shit in my mouth, and I can get that for free in certain alleys downtown

[gilded mason]

i guess its just xd style

[main elm]

I have a friend hates XD guts before ER, idk what they did

[gaunt root]

Power creep was rampant in SoC

And game has only been out for like a year

And resources were hard to get as f2p

[main elm]

My biggest red flag is netmarble ain't touching any game they publish

[gaunt root]

At this point I trust netmarble more than XD

7DS is still going strong

And it’s been like 7 years

[outer falcon]

Remember Gamevil before it joined Scam2us?

[warped stump]

hey scam2us at least openly admits they're going to fuck you senseless

[main elm]

Well XD and netmarble now that's for sure

[warped stump]

some of these other games just pull the rug out on you

[outer falcon]

Can't say they ain't honest

[frigid shoal]

Please nerf the rengokutsu inferno, its to hard even with new character

[wet vault]

W comment we will notice and release next ld unit that can clear inferno rengo!

[zinc bronze]

Is amber tiamat supposed to take a turn into full hp into dragon form when amber is proced?

Her dragon form is so confusing, sometimes I see her take 2 turns

[wet vault]

they already fixed that bug i think?

in the previous patch note

[tall flame]

yo are the union markers bugged btw?

not working for our union leader

the initial 5 worked

and the others aren't showing up

[zinc bronze]

Oh yeah, I think so. Was just watching a vid about amber tiamat

That was pretty annoying to deal with when you play CC

[wet vault]

they said they already improved markers in the patch note too

[glass vale]

Yep, that’s me.

The games F2P friendly in the sense that nothings really very hard so you can clear it with whatever. Daily’s can be finished in 30 seconds of sweeps. That also means there’s nothing really interesting for endgame players though. There’s progression to keep increasing the stats on your characters but there’s no real need to do so to clear everything.

Getting new characters can be really rough aswell and they don’t give a lot of F2P pulls.

180 hard pity and you can fail 50/50 multiple times on your way there. F2P get about 80 - 100 pulls a month if you’re doing everything and there’s a new character every 2 weeks.

[outer falcon]

Would you say this is the basis for the common "game pissed off Asia" refrain or was there some specific event that caused people to start saying that?

[glass vale]

There was a lot of things that went into that tbh. It mainly started when they decided to add weapon banners to the game for every character and not give any extra pulls though

They later added RNG ways for F2P to get a couple of copies a month aswell but the damage had been done by that point.

[outer falcon]

Oof I see

Thanks for the rundown

[chrome meteor]

what sets do i take for Rift?

speed crit damage torrent hp or smth maybe?

[vague violet]

Evil literally says he hates the game but is playing anyway—like a lot of you here lol

[main elm]

At this point its "some" not "lot"

Half of ppl here talking long quitted the game

[gilded mason]

I quit as of today

[chrome meteor]

after seeing the e7 roadmpa

im pretty much done with ER

lol

[inland chasm]

But you attained perfection

[gilded mason]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-gif-4581743

[gilded mason]

I realized perfection is quitting

[glass vale]

I’m rerolling on E7 atm lol

Redeem code for an ML ticket and a 20 speed neck is crazy

[tribal osprey]

Hold up guys we lost 100 members

What happened

[main elm]

Perfection happened

[inland chasm]

Trash reforge event

[wet vault]

Rengo just countered those 100 members

[stray pivot]

Me in same boat as you. Can no longer tolerate the devs direction. False advertising of Ninfo being savior of Rengo. Not fixing many of the game issues esp perfect lattice. Game being such a huge time sink. It's the final straw for me.

Still need 300 speed+ Lily Kloss and Ninfo before your team can clear Rengo Inferno.. This is the reality.

[ripe kraken]

Guys this will be playerbase soon no matter what etheria (tom) tries they won't stay

@tiny sage

[ripe kraken]

Oh so ur one of us

[chrome meteor]

sheeehs, u don't have an old acc?

[chrome meteor]

its too bad

cuz honestly

going back to e7

HONESTLY

i have more fun on etheria :c

but like

i never in a MILLION years thought i would say this

but at least e7 treats me like a human being

[ripe kraken]

I am also in irons server lol

[undone vortex]

they waiting for China to implement all their planned changes

[gilded mason]

Etheria is that hot ex whos great in bed

[undone vortex]

so they look can do a devs listened

[gilded mason]

But doesnt treat you well outside of bed

[chrome meteor]

LOL

[gilded mason]

E7 is the one whos not that good in bed but she there for you

[chrome meteor]

thats so fucking true LOL

its so scary

that after playing ER

E7 looks like a good game

if only we have offline app background battle

like ER

[gilded mason]

You only appreciate her after you lose her

You shallow sob

[ripe kraken]

E7 is very casual now

[chrome meteor]

yea

[ripe kraken]

Not like grindy in old days

[chrome meteor]

i just wish playing the actualg ame

was like

more fun

but ig with new gear sets

[ripe kraken]

But it took them 7 years

[chrome meteor]

and being able to compete competitively in RTA

[gilded mason]

Sw is just that old milf

[chrome meteor]

should make it much more fun lol

SW is just a whore in that back

[gilded mason]

She hot tho

[viral dune]

E7 at least doing great with the create a problem sell the solution (like Harsetti vs Yenya or Aram).

Here? They create Rengo Inferno, and sell the solution Ninfo. But not really a solution.

[glass vale]

Nope 🥲

[ripe kraken]

Now white knights of etheria will ask we should also give etheria 7 years

[gilded mason]

[chrome meteor]

yes

and thats fine

ill quit

and come back in 7 ytears

[gilded mason]

Sw is an experienced hooker

[ripe kraken]

Yeah

Come back after 7 years

And start

Again

Etheria

[chrome meteor]

haha

[ripe kraken]

If it stays alive

[chrome meteor]

is there any point

[ripe kraken]

That is

[chrome meteor]

to restarting e7

[ripe kraken]

[chrome meteor]

or if u have some form of acc

[ripe kraken]

Yes

[chrome meteor]

just play it

[ripe kraken]

Newbie rewards are so great

[chrome meteor]

at what point is it worth to restart tho

[ripe kraken]

And oh god they finally removed the fcking

Labyrinth tickets

[chrome meteor]

lol yea

[ripe kraken]

[chrome meteor]

and removed the fucking

aza

entirely

[ripe kraken]

I am ending it before they remove it

Next week

Labyrinth will be gone

[gilded mason]

I restarted a few months ago

[ripe kraken]

U a streamer toasty?

[gilded mason]

New player experience is really good

[tiny sage]

This is even slightly before my time cause not in colour

[chrome meteor]

not anymore

[ripe kraken]

This was 0.1 chance btw for both of these three to happen

And I got all those three yesterday itself

[gilded mason]

Oh silver and blood

[chrome meteor]

i heard yea

but like

[gilded mason]

Decent game

[chrome meteor]

even if i restart

im probably still gonna be behind my main

[gilded mason]

Just play it for fun i guess

[ripe kraken]

Yeah

[chrome meteor]

unless its worth throwing away 15+ ML5s to restart

[ripe kraken]

But it's black and white mostly cause

It's for creating sad environment

[tame ivy]

Better than Lily-ReStart ?

[gilded mason]

I dunno whats the next big turn based gacha

Star savior?

[ripe kraken]

Always been

Star saviour is good

[chrome meteor]

is it?

it looks cheap ngl

[ripe kraken]

Ye I did cbt

Was very good

[gilded mason]

Looks better than etheria

[chrome meteor]

Really?...

[ripe kraken]

Pve in 15 mins

Everything has skip

[gilded mason]

Thats what people said about etheria beta

[ripe kraken]

And passive resource generation

[ripe kraken]

Nah

This game focuses more on story

So pve is easy

[gilded mason]

Are there gear farming stages

[ripe kraken]

And after I daily 15 mins pve is done

[gilded mason]

Like e7 sw and etheria?

[ripe kraken]

U can sweep them

[gilded mason]

Whats the pve like

[ripe kraken]

They have sweeps

For pve

Hunts

[gilded mason]

Ah

[ripe kraken]

That's why I said

[gilded mason]

Seems good

[ripe kraken]

Pve is 15 mins

[gilded mason]

But its gooner gamw

Everyone is femalw

[ripe kraken]

Most of the times u either do story or rta

[ripe kraken]

Only mc is male

And no female mc

And this mc will get more forms

Like ras

[tiny sage]

yeah

[gilded mason]

I dunno about all female characters man

I'll try it out tho

[ripe kraken]

Tq

[gilded mason]

When it comes out

[ripe kraken]

Aiazel

[gilded mason]

I may just retire from gacha

[ripe kraken]

U won't

Whel paul played for 40 years

[gilded mason]

I did for a time

[ripe kraken]

U can do for 60

[gilded mason]

For a year or two

I stopped gacha

[wet vault]

“you gotta research more”

thats what they said when releasing ninfo and batsby

[viral dune]

At least Batsby is great and doing his job vs Red. Ninfo still has that huge flaw of having low hp scaling shield and greater atk buff tied to that shield. Meanwhile a little sneeze from the inferno boss destroys her shield.

[naive wave]

Here I thought we got S12 announcement

Also why are people quitting already when the game hasn't even been released

[tiny sage]

@ripe kraken New Meme just Dropped

I am Either Gonna Get Rengo Nerfed Or Get This Stupid Healer the Liliam Treatment

[ripe kraken]

100/10

[tiny sage]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lost-mind-share-this-cat-gif-10624429942940364630

[sour oracle]

she isnt for sustain runs

devs assumed you were speed clearing goku and wanted a consistent spd clear unit lmao

but only people speed clearing are liliam + lily owners. or yeli + lily. or dokidoki + whoever

ninfo makes spd clearing consistent, but if you’re struggling to not die 1:30 into the run, she wont do much help at all

[viral dune]

Yeah. Lily is pretty much the carry there.

[wet vault]

devs doodoo

[vague violet]

E7 dailies take 5 min. ER takes 30 on average if you’re super focused.

[tiny sage]

I wish it was 30 minute...

[vague violet]

It’s closer to an hour, I know

[tiny sage]

uuh

3-4

[vague violet]

I mean I haven’t played in weeks, so you’re probably right. I just used to auto-team and check back at lunch and such.

[viral dune]

I think at most it takes you 15 mins. Theater/Union still waste so much time despite 5x speed.

Idk why they didnt implement dispatch where we can get out and do something else

While its running on background

[vague violet]

Arena takes 10-15 on it’s own, especially at higher ranks

[viral dune]

The 15 minutes doesn't include arena. I was going to say you online for 15 mins and do some stuff and then you come back again once the stamina is refreshed and do arena.

Cause we can only 10x dispatch so at times need to come back multiple times to check.

[fallow thorn]

Rta takes 15 mins per game

Solid meta

[ripe kraken]

Etherena took 1 hour for me

All bruiser defenses

[naive wave]

[coarse knoll]

You guys complain too much, ninfo helps clear rengo. Devs cooked, but this mod event is trash.

[tiny sage]

She help clear Rengo with Lattice and If you could already clear

She does not make him easier to clear for people struggling .

[coarse knoll]

Wrong helped me clear him easily

[coarse knoll]

Yes she does.

Cope

[tiny sage]

Had you cleared him before

Waht was your prior team

[coarse knoll]

No just clear him today.

Hell diff....

[tiny sage]

[coarse knoll]

🤣🤣 im trolling you

Units are ASS

Give me team shield that reflects damage

That will help

[vague violet]

Her shield is rubbish and the buff being dependent on it is problem one. HP healing based on the target is problem 2

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-morning-good-morning-gif-5903581903933326842

[charred minnow]

Cant lose what I dont already have

[ripe kraken]

Wanna join my guild later today after I create in e7?

[charred minnow]

Ye I left my guild 2d ago so no more cd for sure

Ping me or dm me whenever

[ripe kraken]

K

[ripe kraken]

@gilded mason how about a gold lattice banner which uses ld pulls

[errant ravine]

a banner that has 0.001% of dropping a golden lattice?

[ripe kraken]

Was lurking in pliyo streams he was furry for a while aiming for some tiger skin

[ripe kraken]

Yes and a chance to get triple lattice

[gilded mason]

whos coping here

[ripe kraken]

We were talking about a gold lattice banner

Which u can pull on

Using apex proto

[gilded mason]

thats insane

[ripe kraken]

[gilded mason]

it feels good not needing to login to etheria

https://tenor.com/view/nic-cage-nicolas-cage-con-air-freedom-sunshine-gif-11101284117173771733

[ripe kraken]

Fix the economy ❌ lock economy behind gacha ✅

We will also introduce

Coins and module banners

There will be rotation

[gilded mason]

so no more hero banner

[half lodge]

U uninstalled?

[gilded mason]

Ye

Well i quit

game still there so i can login and check new bs

[half lodge]

Another warrior almost lost

[gilded mason]

I just wont login daily

and left union too

[half lodge]

Its really healthy i would say

To login when you actually want to Play Smth instead of needing to daily

Great change in life

[open fable]

@indigo oyster is your ign ducky from fortissimo?

Or is it the other duck

[indigo oyster]

no xD

[fallow thorn]

Cya boys

[glacial zinc]

Can i get a discord link?

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-dog-eyes-sad-saint-innocent-shrek-gif-5956398

Is that how it works?
Lemme scour the internet

Wait
Hang on
Im in

[viral dune]

Whoa. I'm waiting for CZN and NTE as well.

[sacred aspen]

Please invite me for chaos zero play test I can buy a code for 5$

[half lodge]

I wish you friends a wonderfull day

[graceful cradle]

Today is the day

I do my attacks and i can taste the freedom

[vital arrow]

Careful, sayin stuff like that gets some white knights up in arms and then King C will put u on timeout bc u haven’t had time to really check the math and test all the SICK and AWESOME synergies. For instance her insane synergy w Lily

/s

Can’t be spreading lies and misinformation

[radiant jolt]

She's more of a win more unit imo.

[vital arrow]

She is. But can’t state facts around this discord or the white knights and their ringleader will put u in timeout while they talk shit about u

[indigo oyster]

nah shes godd

keep the propoganda up

[vital arrow]

If all she’s good for is pushing s3 before ur dps unit goes I could think of 6 other units that do her job only better. Tuna butt boy could be the real deal tho. I’ll let ya know in 2 months when I have the lattice to test it. That is, if the next 2 banner runs aren’t better and I need to invest there instead

[vital arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/dusty-slay-ignored-flyers-gif-13125500

[chilly iron]

I noticed now didn't they had 100k

[indigo oyster]

late to the party

[glacial zinc]

Very late

You been playing other games?

https://tenor.com/view/thats-nice-gif-18213290

[half lodge]

For me its always really funny when people try to give depth to like 6 linea of tezt

[fallow thorn]

Give me a 100% sub 1 minute Rengo team with no lattices and it’s yours

[glacial zinc]

The link is on google

[sacred aspen]

Xd

[glacial zinc]

https://discord.gg/chaoszeronightmare

[fallow hornet]

💀

This is wild lmao

[radiant jolt]

pathetic, only 13k members. their only 1/10th of etheria's power

[glacial zinc]

[fallow thorn]

Loooool

[fallow hornet]

Promoting another game discord server in er

[glacial zinc]

To be expected, ig

[gilded mason]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

[glacial zinc]

Yep, all dat booba

[gilded mason]

All the 13k are degens

Sorry 16k

Yes I'm in there too

[vital arrow]

Right? Like we’re all so incompetent we can’t read the 2 sentences of skill text and form a rational opinion w/o analyzing it for 2 weeks

[gilded mason]

C is getting demolished on reddit tho

[half lodge]

Especially that there isn't a new a mechanic/interesting gimmick tharbwe already dont have in the game

[gilded mason]

They don't like him on reddit

[half lodge]

But the problem as always is in lattices

Nahor also isn't bad

Same as Gatsby and the ri woman

[vital arrow]

Goated 🇼

[half lodge]

They are just not worth investing in over other characters

That's the problem

[vital arrow]

Deserved at this point

[half lodge]

The only bad skill in ri something skill is S1

I personally have invested hellkid and dont need another shielder

[glacial zinc]

I need all the shields

[half lodge]

No one will test these characters at max because its just not possible

[glacial zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-met-your-mother-himym-barney-stinson-neil-patrick-harris-challenge-accepted-gif-4594551

For nin at least

Gonna do another stoopid

[vital arrow]

I don’t want the kid to lose his job or anything, and I don’t say kid to be demeaning or anything, but he’s not good at it in my personal opinion. I think he means well but he isn’t looking out for the community’s best interest. From what I can tell he isn’t transferring the feedback from an unbiased perspective either. But that’s just my opinion, I could be mistaken. Idk what goes on behind the scenes. All I can do is use my eyeballs to watch this train wreck happen real time and judge based on the most common denominator. Which is him. Since he seems to be our direct line to Jack

[half lodge]

He shouldnt be looking into communitys best interest

You are mistaken

The 2 part is right

[vital arrow]

Mmmmm, is this /s or

[glacial zinc]

Please, god, let it be /s

[vital arrow]

They’ve clearly been attempting to make changes based on their own best interest (in their opinion) and let’s look where that’s gotten them….

[half lodge]

This isn't satire

That's how job in external communication work

[vital arrow]

Can u maybe explain for me, maybe im misunderstanding

[half lodge]

Can you voice

Or not rly

[vital arrow]

Na I’m at work unfortunately

[half lodge]

😭 aaa okay

[glacial zinc]

Czn server emoji game is lacking

[tacit sapphire]

Rin

[chilly iron]

Add one more member

[vital arrow]

I guess I more so meant a middle ground between communities best interest and companies best interest. Not 100-0, more of. 60-40. Company profits when community feels rewarded/respected/heard. We feel none of that rn

[half lodge]

So tldr one guy keripo wrote yesterday a passive agrresive message he is giga kid but he was overall right about his message

[half lodge]

Community in most games dont feelnrespetecbheard

[gilded mason]

I watched ydcb video again when he talked with jack, jack said he makes the final call. Does that mean jack is responsible for all this shit??

[naive wave]

Still not that many but these are all game related, at the very least

[half lodge]

And also for a reason

[vague violet]

Exactly. Loyalty of PR and HR is ENTIRELY to the company. These folks are never on your side no matter what you want to believe.

[vital arrow]

This was my understanding completely, but C claimed otherwise

[half lodge]

And its not even mockery IT is what it is

[glacial zinc]

We got darling in the franx in here
No server will ever come close

[vapid olive]

jack is the director, but there are multiple teams that have diff beliefs and arguments they put forth

[vital arrow]

Ehh, we might have to agree to disagree there. I think there’s waves of feeling one way or the other tho

[vapid olive]

and jack responds to that environment

[gilded mason]

yeah however jack said he makes the final call

[vapid olive]

yeah of course

[glacial zinc]

MONEY
i imagine is the common denominator

[vapid olive]

but it's not a dictatorship

[vital arrow]

Totally fair

[vague violet]

I’ve seen so many people in real life get backstabbed by HR after going to them for help. Same here. Same with any CCs or hypemen or anyone who’s take a dime of sponsorship from XD. It’s all fake nonsense.

[gilded mason]

as in do we implement this or not

meaning he lets this shit happen

[half lodge]

So can you give me a game like this i have some on both side of the argument

[vapid olive]

That's a way to interpret it, sure

[half lodge]

Form gacha games nikke is one of the games which was fixed a lot due to community demands and isnsuper free to Play friendly with a great communication

[gilded mason]

If the man actually wanted to make good changes, he has the power to do so

[vital arrow]

Uhhh, I guess my best comparison to this specific game would be e7, bc I’ve never played sw. But even then I can’t really speak on the community backlash or anything. I was less invested/involved in this side of games when I was younger and playing e7

[half lodge]

E7 is totally

[gilded mason]

but he did not

[half lodge]

Anti community requested

[vital arrow]

I’ve heard that before

[half lodge]

The things go really slowly

[vapid olive]

Sure? It's just such a simplistic way of understanding workplace dynamics

I'll never win this argument in this discord though so go off

[vital arrow]

But from what I understand, they go slow bc when things do come around they’re relatively good no?

[half lodge]

Recently there was a huge controversy of deleting content labirynth against community demands

[half lodge]

Yh exactly

[vital arrow]

They’ve earned the ability to take a little time w what they give their players

XD has not

[half lodge]

They have their own vision and they stick to it

[tame ivy]

what about Star Rail

[half lodge]

But qol are really really slow

[gilded mason]

What argument?

[vague violet]

To be fair and play devil’s advocate on your behalf, I’m sure there is tremendous investor pressure and influence affecting many of the monetization, and therefore development decisions in this game—important to note.

[half lodge]

This gamę was made for 5 years

Do probably a lot of moment wento into developemnt

[glacial zinc]

Warframe

[vital arrow]

If I had to say the diff between the reaction to that here vs e7 it’s that e7 has earned the ability to take their time w changes, whereas XD lost all that faith and patience w each new “change” or “patch note” or “announcement” right?

[half lodge]

Yh

[gilded mason]

This is also true, there's defo pressure for monetization

[vague violet]

Eh, I think it had investor interest and pitching for that long. I highly doubt they spent that much time on development

[glacial zinc]

People quite like the interaction with rebecca on the short, weekly i think, streams

[gilded mason]

Where the monetization though

[glacial zinc]

You had to be there kind of experience

[gilded mason]

[half lodge]

You are right here Kongh
The only thing in gacha communities is that people overestimate how much community is not happy

[vital arrow]

That’s probably fair

[half lodge]

I guess if you are casual and dont read anything

Just Play for fun sometimes but Smth small

[gilded mason]

If casual get tired they just quit

[half lodge]

You may be satisifed with the scopebof changes

[vital arrow]

Yea, I could see that. I know when I played e7 on release I was blissfully ignorant of how angry the community was for a while

[gilded mason]

Casuals wont survive this game, they'll quit in a month or 2

[half lodge]

That's not an airport dont have to announce your departure 🤓🤓🤓🤓

[vital arrow]

But like I said I wasn’t anywhere near as involved w the community opinion

[half lodge]

Its good that you care

[vague violet]

Yup. There is a large non-vocal majority to almost any game. Dads working 5 jobs don’t go on Twitter or Discord to rant, they just swap games.

[half lodge]

I AM also here for a long run for at least a year

I Hope this gamę just wont shuf down randomlt

[gilded mason]

SoC still going so prolly no

[half lodge]

And these are also sometimes the people tharbspent the most

[tacit sapphire]

Believe or not most gachas share same comunity, i see always the same names on all diferent gachas i played raging on foruns

[vague violet]

You’re not wrong. I can’t recall where I saw the data, but the overall gacha pool of players is massive, but not really growing. So the same communities and people cycle really fast though various games.

[vital arrow]

Idk. I’ve never been in a role like CM in a professional setting, but I can only assume if I were to be in a job like that for a game like this, I would keep my mouth shut outside of announcements and maybe very subtle short hints at what’s to come and I would be SS’ing everything, good/bad and take the time to summarize/analyze most feedback and then slap it onto a PP and present that to my boss each time we met for a feedback or community opinion transfer

[twilit vault]

yeah Gacha Smack has talked about it too, the gacha market is a saturated environment

[gilded mason]

THIS

[twilit vault]

Genshin bringing new people in during covid was lightning in a bottle and is unlikely to happen again

[half lodge]

yh and thats how it works in most of the games

[gilded mason]

KEEP YO MOUTH SHUT CUZ U JUST GON GET FLAMED

[twilit vault]

so when you're pushing for a new game you're competing for the players' time cause they're usually playing other gachas already

[vague violet]

Covid overall inflated the gaming industry and now we’re seeing the crash

[gilded mason]

I try to talk as little as possible at work too

[half lodge]

I can also tell you a story i have written here a while ago

but please dont spam for a second

[vital arrow]

Brother same. Talk less listen more = better raise and less bs

[half lodge]

People dont understand competition in the makret
For me its giga funny when someone tells me that the main competetiors are only e7 or sw when i unironically never heard of sw before joining this server and that e7 is pay2win game for gooners

You know when do the airlines got the biggest crash out in history?

When microsoft populairzed skype that was in a direct competition in making meetings not mandatory to go to another country

and isntantly a lot of people higher up in corpoations shifted form going country to country to videoconferences

the transportatnio market is completly not connected to the video market and despite this was the main competetitino

[tacit sapphire]

Having read that we go to uma musume

[half lodge]

even here the comptition of any game here are both other forms of spending money/spending free time and more connected are the gacha games overall and then really speciualized are the pvp gacha games

and of course games overall

[tacit sapphire]

[half lodge]

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[gilded mason]

You got many good points

[vital arrow]

Yea agreed

[half lodge]

and thats why you design a product you make alwawys the analizys of the market

what are you main enemies on the market etc

and people usually have some budget for enternatiemnt every month so they have to choose your product over anyttother

[gilded mason]

I dont think etheria did any market research

In fact i dunno if they did any research at all

[ripe kraken]

Reddit literally calls him budget justin bieber

[vital arrow]

Sounds like, really, the only reason this game has stayed afloat after all the bs, is bc SS, CZN, etc aren’t out yet. Had they released at the same time and either of the other 2 had a few degrees less blatant player disrespect on the dev side this game woulda been hung out to pasture

[ripe kraken]

They thought marketing is enough to carry the game and cover the flaws

[half lodge]

yeah and even you know how this year a lot of mainline games delayed they relase before gta was scheudled for this year

you cannot compete with something like this

you just cannot so olny option was to delay the release into a dry period

[vital arrow]

Ahh makes sense

[half lodge]

when these game relase a customer have to make a decision right where to spend the money and where to spend the money over anotyrher game

[twilit vault]

the mass exodus can still happen

[half lodge]

and then i am worried about the overall coniditon of etheria

[tacit sapphire]

I mean the main selling point of etheria for me was being able to get all animus if u saved those sumons

But seems like they are on a road to slowly remove that

[graceful cradle]

That is why i still cannot fathom why they think players will wait for them to fix their shit while E7 and SW are having massive years atm

[tiny sage]

Joined

[half lodge]

i saw zae you were arguing with normies on general XD you have nerves for doing that respect

[radiant jolt]

i mean she definitely crushes rengo if you were already crushing rengo

[graceful cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/respect-hearties-wcth-when-calls-the-heart-sc-heart-home-gif-16952710

[radiant jolt]

The current situation with XD reminds me of this dev talk
https://youtu.be/KU6d1PL8xRQ?t=1098

[tiny sage]

Not to mention this game requires 4 - 10 hours of your time each day (even if its passive time) like bruh and you not even rewarded

[indigo oyster]

I had to optimized my liliam with hp module to have a 90% wr for rengo

[graceful cradle]

Like people operate under this misconception that you'll just be sitting on pins and needles until the game is ready

[tiny sage]

So she a Side Grade

[vital arrow]

Meanwhile in another thread.. this the thanks I get

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1408397965692895292

[graceful cradle]

Like nah bish i'm going elsewhere with my time and money

[glacial zinc]

I mean, i got into inferno rengo with her
But it takes ~100 runs to win 10

[graceful cradle]

which is absurd tbh, like i said yesterday this is still one of my major complaints and why i'm dropping the game once sunday hits

[vital arrow]

And C wonders why I act “toxic” to some ppl

[half lodge]

For me you acr normally

[glacial zinc]

The day of the lord
And the day of dropping etheria

[half lodge]

I have seen all your threads

[vital arrow]

I treat ppl the way they treat me. If im treated w respect I treat them w respect

[indigo oyster]

Is this when they nerf the loot and shit with nemesis?

[vital arrow]

Like u and I are always respectful to each other

[radiant jolt]

this is right before it lmfao

archnemesis and the VISION TM

[indigo oyster]

Lolol

[glacial zinc]

It seems devs are snipers these days
Popping the heads of their games with lethal accuracy

[gilded mason]

I think it's cuz the focus used to be on making great games, bt now it's all about the money

[graceful cradle]

thank hoyo for that shit

devs rather pump and dump for the high release numbers then create a lasting product

not that i think that's what ER is but uhh

[gilded mason]

Not just gacha, other games too

[graceful cradle]

they invented the world's first time machine clearly

yeah it's the cod model

[gilded mason]

etheria devs keep talking about future of etheria tho

[tiny sage]

they had a great game in May

[gilded mason]

well the beta was 2 weeks long

[tiny sage]

yeah

2 weeks of a great game

[gilded mason]

even if inferno wasnt touched, the other bs would have come out

[tiny sage]

nah

[graceful cradle]

mhm they really did the buffs were unnecessary

[tiny sage]

if they left inferno as it was....

[graceful cradle]

honestly most of the issues have all cascaded off of the inferno buffs

[tiny sage]

less people woulda have got burnt out

[gilded mason]

but inferno left as it was would cause much less issues now

yep

[tiny sage]

and more people would be playing PvP

[graceful cradle]

rev probably wouldn't have been nerfed

[tiny sage]

you wouldn't have to burn lattice on units like SSania

[gilded mason]

but the shit drop rate and bad rng

and rng events

yeah they should have left inferno as it was

[tiny sage]

Lattice feel giga bad atm because you HAVE to waste them on PVE

when they should be about customizing your PVP Experience

[gilded mason]

their goal was prolly $$$

[tiny sage]

Short sighted

[vital arrow]

Maybe that’s part of the massive disconnect. Beta to now made everyone w the exception of Lily accts (I assume) have to dump tons of lattice into units that they shouldn’t have had to for pve, which is not supposed to be the main part of the game

[twilit vault]

not to mention the new games coming out

[gilded mason]

Also locking stats behind skillups

[vital arrow]

This right here is the real BS

[tiny sage]

even on Lily accounts you have to burn Lattice... into PVE only units.

[vital arrow]

Ahh see, that’s garbage fs

[glass void]

the only pve lattice in us efor me are ling yeli and lily and they're all still very good in pvp

[tiny sage]

If you don't have lily you are 20x more likely to quit.

[twilit vault]

imo the entire monetization approach, lattice design specifically, was dead on arrival

it was never going to work the way it's implemented right now

[fading delta]

freya is the most balanced unit

[vital arrow]

I can back that up, I’m 20x more likely every day to drop this game

[fading delta]

no need lattice for pve

[glass void]

More lattice would be good obviously but you're just plain bad if you still can't clear all infernos with all the theory crafting done on them

[vital arrow]

Or missing key units

[half lodge]

u just bad if you cannot

i am good i am in top 10 rta you cannot

[glass void]

you have to be very unlucky for that to be the case with how many summons they give you and a target and the recent box to pick up kloss or tsuki

[tiny sage]

People dropped 60k and didn't get lily

but go off bro

[glass void]

yeah and you don't need lily

[glacial zinc]

You mean as unlucky as kloss not landing rengo debuffs

[glass void]

i cleared all inferno without her

[vital arrow]

I think most endgame accts are feeling the lattice shortage so heavily bc we are unable to make any meaningful changes to our PvP roster/strategy. Testing is punished. Also, investing into something good right now is likely a bad decision bc it could get nerfed and there will not be a reset event to follow the nerf.

[twilit vault]

attribute boosts (e.g. +5 speed) should have been separated from requiring lattices and if the functionality of the characters is locked behind lattices to such a high degree, then there simply has to be more lattices in the game

[glass void]

yeah i since pulled her

genius

[fading delta]

wut

[radiant jolt]

i think this is a huge one. They should separate the lattice upgrades and the stat upgrades

[glass void]

i used chiaki the echo until i did and that was at lvl 78

[tiny sage]

should have had a fork in the road where one is more skill ups and one is stat increase after putting in 1 lattice.

[twilit vault]

to balance this the pull economy could be a bit tighter but the problem with that is if you start taking people's pulls now they're going to be pissed as hell

[fading delta]

you cleared all inferno without lily but you said this

[glass void]

is lily better, yes she is, do you need her, no you fcking don't

[half lodge]

are you top 10 in rta???

if not you cannot talk

[glacial zinc]

You pulled lily at lvl 78?

[glass void]

yes

[tiny sage]

Saying you Don't need Lily is like saying you don't need Arms and Legs.

You Technically don't

[glacial zinc]

That's early
Got her well into lvl 100

[glass void]

don't have to be to not have retarded opinions like that one

the issue is the same, you and I had to make due without her well into inferno farming. Either you worked around it or you didn't but i know from first hand experience that you can do it

[glacial zinc]

What's your sharon inferno team?

[glass void]

winrates are a little worse and or it takes longer but doable

[tacit sapphire]

Hes_LookAround

[glacial zinc]

From 3 to 4 minutes for shoyan to sub one minute
Lily is qol that the game should have inately

[tiny sage]

This is like a random Billionaire saying you don't need a home.

[half lodge]

just get a house lol

[glass void]

that one was the worst and i don't remember what i used just that i babysat it while watching movies for the little i farmed it pre lily

[half lodge]

or as some said you will own nothing and be happy

[tiny sage]

Reroll for Lily, Uninstall, or be a 1 in 10,000 Masochist.

[vital arrow]

This take is just kinda silly, no? Obviously it’s able to be done, but this being true doesn’t make Lily making everything 100x easier not true..?

[glass void]

I never said lily isn't very helpful

[glacial zinc]

Lily helps in sharon
Wouldn't farm sharon without lily

[glacial zinc]

[glass void]

i just got annoyed at people again ging on and on and on about hwo they can't do anythign with lily

*without

either fcking reroll or get gud

[tiny sage]

I believe them Don't be Dismissive.

Elitist

[twilit vault]

it just makes the gap between 1/1/1 and 5/5/5 so damn big when most of the stat upgrades are behind lattices as well

[tiny sage]

[vital arrow]

But you’re belittling ppl who got the shit end of the stick by claiming “if they don’t do it the hard way they just suck” when in reality there’s a multitude of reasons they may not be able to clear the content that ppl who have Lily are able to clear

[half lodge]

getting good means your clear times take your whole day of staying on the game

[twilit vault]

hard to try out new units when a player has to wait a month to level 1 up to even have the base stats to do anything worthwhile in a match

[tiny sage]

20 hours of MANUAL FARMING

[half lodge]

i got good

[tiny sage]

UNEMPLOYED BEHAVIOR

[glass void]

people generally speaking are retarded if i have to put money on somethign it's that, could i be wrong, sure, am I? probably not

[glacial zinc]

Im unemployed and didnt bother with manual farming even

[vital arrow]

Yikes

But hey guys, I’m sure when C comes around today I’ll be on timeout even tho this guys out here just calling everyone retards

[tiny sage]

The Statement "You Need Lily" Is closer to reality then your statement for the Vast Majority of Players.

[half lodge]

you arent top 10 rta to speak about the balance fo the game dude

[glass void]

So you agree the vast majority of players/people is retarded...

[tiny sage]

No

I think they value their Time instead of No Lifing a Shittly balanced Gacha Game's Farming Stages.

[indigo oyster]

Lets build 10 character or use 1 character

[glacial zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/office-tough-the-office-gif-23812336

[glass void]

where are you pulling that retarded take from?

[half lodge]

My takes are objectives truths send to me by the higher powers from cosmos

[gilded mason]

[half lodge]

yours are totally subjective

[gilded mason]

The gods have spoken

[vital arrow]

Where’s the mods when ya need em

[glass void]

to be fair it would be better than listening to the CCs on balance... 😄

[gilded mason]

Playing roblox

[fading delta]

soon guys soon

[glacial zinc]

In the trees, watching
Always watching

[vital arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-no-problem-here-no-problem-crossed-eyes-dont-worry-gif-16343187

[tiny sage]

not soon enough.

[glacial zinc]

Ong

[tiny sage]

?

[viral dune]

When tho

[gilded mason]

Not anytime soon

[viral dune]

[gilded mason]

I expect next year

[fading delta]

idk, I just kept getting notification and when I open, it is just another webcomic

[gilded mason]

Baited successfully

[glass void]

sure, they can make that decision, it's probably the better one anyways, but I don't need them complaining about being bad at a game which demands time and they're not putting in the time. This is some 2020s mindset to get everything handed on a silver platter without any effort.

[viral dune]

Honestly etheria kinda leaving me a bad taste of trying out new gacha

[gilded mason]

Etheria is unique

[tiny sage]

False. Its about the Game Respecting your time and not asking you to Tryhard at farming stages....

[gilded mason]

Don't let one bad egg spoil the whole carton

[glacial zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/unique-im-unique-i-am-unique-gif-13481429

[tiny sage]

@glass void Do you feel good when you beat Investigation 25?

[glass void]

then do hell4

[fading delta]

we hav jobs now, so I expect to be handed something when i spend my money

[glass void]

no it's piss easy

[half lodge]

all gachas are bad to mid

[tiny sage]

So why do you feel a sense of "Accomplishment" Clearing Inferno Stages that are overtuned Trite Time Wasters?

[gilded mason]

I like p2w gachas

[tiny sage]

They are the Same Photo

[glacial zinc]

No life?

[glacial zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-really-seriously-chris-pratt-parks-and-recreation-gif-9666797763604047754

[glass void]

erm, no? you lot are complaining that inferno is too hard and then you try to link it to the piss easy stages?

[tiny sage]

They are both Farming Stages.

[gilded mason]

I LIKE p2w GACHAS

At least I win if I pay

[glacial zinc]

Having money?
Cant relate

[gilded mason]

Get good top10 rta

[graceful cradle]

that shit had me ready to crash out around launch like i'm sorry i work a grueling job for 8hrs but with commute + time to shower 2x a day eats at least 10hrs of my day then i don't wanna sit down and manual some BS for another 6 and call that dailies

truly people who literally do not work out here justified that crap

[gilded mason]

[glass void]

yeah and one gives you better rewards than the other I would argue for it to be a pvp gacha it would make for the inferno stages to be easier, but they keep reiterating on the fact that these stages aren't supposed to be easy. Personally I like to figure out stuff like that troubleshooting comps and working around this kinda stuff. You evidently don't and admittedly the game wasn't as having pve challanges, but it does the devs like em and some of the players like em

[tiny sage]

"I want Hard PvE Content" (Looks at Embertrek, Anisync, Ethernet.) Keep it out of Farming Stages.

[sacred aspen]

Chaos zero and star savior are the etheria saviors of this rng greedy devs hell

[tiny sage]

They are FARMING STAGES

[half lodge]

as in every turn based gacha

for me its funny maknig difficult - hp infaltion/dmg inflation

wow so difficult

[tiny sage]

True Investigation can give pulls.

[fading delta]

you are wild my guy

[sacred aspen]

Etheria is nerfing currencies rewards not point in play with this greedy move

[tacit sapphire]

ahh yes the vicemaxing gameplay

[glass void]

Let's liken it to mythic raiding or equivalents in mmos the raid is a fckign farming stage as well

[glacial zinc]

Moans, harder pls - pro gamers

[glass void]

this is just a different philosophical take on game design you can take, not a wrong one

[glacial zinc]

Not wrong
A dead one

[tiny sage]

Those are typically locked to farming once a week. LIKE ETHERNET EMBERTREK AND ANISYNC THE STAGES THAT GIVE LATTICE.

[graceful cradle]

cool story but the game is dying soooooo

https://tenor.com/view/bad-opinion-your-opinion-is-bad-and-you-should-feel-bad-zoidberg-bad-gif-1041977452711668037

[tiny sage]

I miss beta

Then again my Life would be better if I never Played beta so I coulda dropped this game like Braccs and Teccy.

[tacit sapphire]

idk i finished anisync and all other sht, my latice adquisition is like 1 per good event and maybe build 1 usable pvp character after 1 month

[gilded mason]

No way. What about EWS 2026???

[tacit sapphire]

[glass void]

false equivalance: they are limited yes, just like every farming content is due to stamina refresh cap

[graceful cradle]

[tiny sage]

not a false equivilence

[tacit sapphire]

oh yes try do inferno apate with no lily

[graceful cradle]

Fun fact, E7 reset 2 hours and 15 mins ago i finished said dailies 1hr and 55 mins ago

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-gif-7356050842235898609

[tiny sage]

im 2 hours into Etheria Dailies....

...

[graceful cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/pour-drink-pouring-alcohol-respect-gif-5359107

[glacial zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-believe-that-bill-burr-saturday-night-live-can-you-imagine-that-unbelievable-gif-18837493

Feeling good
In this gaming climate

[glass void]

do i get a reason with that or is this just supposed to stand on it's own without any counter as to why it isn't ? 😄

[graceful cradle]

it absolutely is a wrong one when you aren't even hemorrhaging players but it's like a full on exsanguination

[glacial zinc]

Calculations left as exercise to reader

[tiny sage]

you thinking the Hardest Inferno Stage aka Blackrock Depths Equivelent should be Mythic Raiding Tier is Foolish.

[viral dune]

What's this fire dude guy point even? Why are you guys arguing

[graceful cradle]

brd heroic was bussin pre nerfs

[gilded mason]

All in all, farming content should not be a pain to farm.

You wanna make embertrek hard fine

You wanna make eternet rally hard fine

But

[graceful cradle]

reminder this has been sitting done for 2 hours now

while i slog through ER dailies

[tacit sapphire]

mythic raid was like the end goal, farming gear for pvp not

[gilded mason]

Imagine in an MMO, every single mob is raid boss level.

[tacit sapphire]

9059happycat

[gilded mason]

Thats what you're saying lol

[glacial zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/furby-moan-sex-hot-sexual-gif-24307467

[glass void]

mythic raid is a farming stage, inferno rengo is a farming stage

[tiny sage]

Also remember Max level is 100.... Rengo is Supposed to be Auto Farmable at Level 55... with 3 Level 50 units...

[gilded mason]

No, mobs are farming

[graceful cradle]

it's also 2x the number of your thresholds too

[gilded mason]

How often do you do mythic raid

[glacial zinc]

Pretty sure paul did it

[tiny sage]

Paul has the Balance Patch of Max dupes... AKA 15% Global Nerf to PVE

[glass void]

not anymore because i got tired of having to deal with other players, i'm not the most conciliatory person if oyu haven't noticed 😄

[glacial zinc]

/s*

[tacit sapphire]

Btw comparing dificulties of a gacha game with mmo makes 0 sense but ok

[fading delta]

paul is not a human

[graceful cradle]

i'm surprised yall out here arguing with roomtemp iq takes

[gilded mason]

Ngl arguing about this doesnt really matter, if majority finds content too hard, they'll just leave, then game slowly dies.

[graceful cradle]

i applaud the tenacity

[tiny sage]

Got nothing better to do ....

[gilded mason]

No point discussing it

[glacial zinc]

Cracked the spine of a thesaurus for that

[tiny sage]

Im playing Etheria Restart...

[graceful cradle]

^ not even too hard too time consuming, too exhausting, too pointless etc

[spice talon]

just remember you're talking to people who want to play this game for 2 minutes a day and have everything handed to them because they don't have "time" to play while also playing 7 other gachas and spending all day moaning on discord

[tiny sage]

AKA the Idle Game that doesn't let you idle properly.

[gilded mason]

Fact is, rengo is waaaaay overtuned

[glacial zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/ive-got-it-figured-out-thinking-idea-ive-got-it-all-gif-17924943

[tiny sage]

I want to Play the fun parts of the game. not the chores for 4 hours a day...

[graceful cradle]

fair enough lol

[spice talon]

and half these clowns dont even play anymore

[half lodge]

This is a mobile game

[graceful cradle]

looking forward to quitting you're correct

[half lodge]

And suprise suprise the market of games on pc and mobile is different

[tiny sage]

[glacial zinc]

Bro
Im still grinding til my nipples chafe and im out of breath

[glass void]

or you lack good arguments and try to make it about intelligence which i can almost guarantee you you'd loose to me on an evaluation ;D Obviously discussion on the internet rarely end with either party convincing the other but for fucks sake this cesspool needs a bit of a counter point

[graceful cradle]

and i spent a lot of money so my opinion matters more than most, isn't that how these games tend to go?

I'm special bish

[radiant jolt]

damn 220 stam

[half lodge]

,,gameplay"

[tiny sage]

🐳

[graceful cradle]

i mean if you wanna take it to personal shots lol sure lets go there

[tiny sage]

I could be Min Maxxing By Manualling

but fuck that I don't got 14 hours to farm inferno

[glacial zinc]

You also have a job

[tiny sage]

Since I need Sharon and Rengo Farms

[graceful cradle]

You're pretentious and suffer from delusions of grandeur. Thinking your importance to be more than others when in reality you've said nothing but drivel since you've been here. I most likely outearn you, i also most likely rank higher than you. I'm also far more likely more educated than you since i work in healthcare

Shall i go on?

[tiny sage]

and the Hell drops in Shell stages are basically the same.

[glacial zinc]

Yes pls

[radiant jolt]

does anyone know anyone that got banned for botting?

[glass void]

says the guy that started making it about IQ i'0m not the one that started this roll in the mud 😄

[gilded mason]

I've lost the point

what was FireSnake's point again

What was the argument about

[graceful cradle]

I mean i didn't say any names but if the shoe fits and all that

[glacial zinc]

Git gud
Dont need lily

[tiny sage]

Inferno Stages should be Difficulty for their Epeen and you don't need Lily.

[gilded mason]

you dont need her, but you REALLY SHOULD HAVE HER

[tiny sage]

You don't need a Kidney same Energy as you Don't need a Lily

[glass void]

please do continue projecting it's truly entertaining

[half lodge]

New zae lore dropped I am hyped

[graceful cradle]

me project? oh that's fancy you pick that up from a community college psych course?

[gilded mason]

Lily isnt necessary to clear content sure, but she makes everything 300% easier

[tiny sage]

hey don't dis community colleges.

[gilded mason]

Without her you need much larger investment on multiple units

[tiny sage]

No need to be Elitist about Education to someone being Elitist about unemployed Gacha Epeen

[graceful cradle]

I was chilling in here til you came with the personals but let me tell you something, i've been playing e7 for 5 years now and never in those said 5 years have i felt like E7's quick and easy dailies were boring or whatever the common argument against easily farmable stages actually is other than a strawman

I spend more time doing what i actually want to do in return like climb in RTA or finally do whatever annoying pve content i've been putting off instead of wasting time trying to farm to get gear

[glass void]

You tried to insult me first buddy, underhanded or not i don't give a fuck. At least man up and admit to that holy shit everyoen can scroll back up and read it if they cared

[graceful cradle]

okay okay i apologize our canadian universities do be a lil prestigious though

[viral dune]

Exactly lol

[graceful cradle]

sure i made an offhand remark about room temp iqs and you took offense

[tiny sage]

"Inferno being hard is good..." Loses 80-90% of the playerbase kills most Content Creation that isn't paid for. the other 9.9% that doesn't like it just waiting for other games so they can drop this game... since devs refuse to improve.

[indigo oyster]

what with people wanting farming stage to be hard

[tiny sage]

Nico Nana is the only good Inferno Stage. And hoyan if you have DoT. (MAYBE DOKI DOKI)

[graceful cradle]

therefore you FELT like your poor takes deserved it

but renzoth knows i've had him blocked for ages

so again if the shoe fits

[gilded mason]

Anyway, farming stages should not require huge investment and specific units. Look at E7 at the start, all you needed was angelica and some def break and dps

[glass void]

you know who you directed it at, i know it, everyone fcking knows it, did you cut off your balls in med school or what?

[gilded mason]

Ey chill

[glacial zinc]

Nah
Sounda like a reddit post

[radiant jolt]

remove the pve slop and give us more pvp modes. 1 union war a week is dumb

[spice talon]

is this your first time getting mobbed by these guys? lol

[gilded mason]

You're stepping out of line lol

[glass void]

"uhh if you take offense from it it must mean it's true" fcking 12 year old reasoning

[gilded mason]

calm down

[tiny sage]

When the Game was good....

[gilded mason]

Lets keep it civil

[graceful cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/check-out-the-new-merch-chat-leaks-brawl-clb-stars-gif-4975555859483563733

[viral dune]

Dokidoki is terrible too. They gated dokidoki needing aoe units. So if somehow you didnt get yeli/xiada/rilmo you're kinda doomed.

[gilded mason]

yup exactly

[radiant jolt]

i did it with rosa

[tiny sage]

don't forget Rosa/Massiah

[radiant jolt]

but we also have a target banner

[gilded mason]

Rosa got aoe tho

[tiny sage]

but yes its Either Rilmocha or Rev Spam AoE

[radiant jolt]

as sort of a safety net

[viral dune]

But everyone says get kloss in the thingy

[candid idol]

Lian was always gonna be power crept. But most of the power comes from shells and gears now because nobody really has lattices to spend.

[viral dune]

Would be great if they release green aoe dps to help doki2

[graceful cradle]

okay i am now directly talking to you, your takes are bad. You aren't as smart as you think you are. There is zero reason for their poor decisions and considering the state of the game clearly both the players leaving and their financial earnings are backing the opinions in here. There i directly said something to you? Happy?

[tiny sage]

Lian used to be viable at 1/1/1 for your main DPS in all inferno Stages Sans Doki....

[glass void]

Doesn't really feel like mobbing if someone tries to go on a personal level because he can't argue his points. More of an admiting defeat kind of thing

[graceful cradle]

I like confrontation if you want me to send you some heat just ask

[tiny sage]

Lian is no longer Viable in any Inferno Stage... because they buffed them 300% from beta and added Enrage timers.... and Made them Resist Turn Meter...

[spice talon]

why does he get to confront you and i get blocked that is so unfair

[glacial zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[gilded mason]

My opinion is as long as you have a team with sufficient stats and proper buffs/debuffs, you should not be getting 1 tapped by a farm boss

[spring yarrow]

so when do we rename this thread? nobody's reading 100k messages

[graceful cradle]

LOL look man that's just how these things go ider why i blocked you but it had to be some real annoying shit

[tiny sage]

once they Fix Inferno?

[spring yarrow]

I propose the name Serra's hub

[indigo oyster]

#MAKELILIAMTANKIER

[spring yarrow]

[tiny sage]

run bloodbath on everyone

[spring yarrow]

they'll just throw more units at it

[gilded mason]

There isnt right or wrong in this case, since people have different views on how a game should be

[glass void]

WHY are my takes bad, WHAT is bad about them. There's plenty of other reasons why players might be moving on. High RNG in events, repetitive events, they just suck at pvp and don't like pvp gacha. Spending will ofc go down after initial launch and so on.

[graceful cradle]

The enrages are honestly the most egregious to me still like who punishes safe tank down strats lol

[indigo oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/elphelt-cooked-elphelt-elphelt-valentine-elphelt-valentine-ggst-ggst-gif-10703145880638801028

[glacial zinc]

Etheria does