#inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

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scarlet quartz
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valerian seems bad

ruby canyon
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terror 263 doki 287 aurora ~310, nico 220ish, sharon 239

scarlet quartz
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terror is 310 if u wanna outspeed the left arm

pure junco
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So real dude

fluid parcel
ruby canyon
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you cant

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ppl tested it

valid zephyr
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So the speed tune for a reliable DoT clear is 245-250,

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245 guarantees you go before Hoyan

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So Obol > Fangus > SSania

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Valerian is just there for Hoyan to smack with a higher probability

ruby canyon
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@glass skiff did you look at this?

valid zephyr
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Cause she is counter element

glass skiff
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All units at that speed?

valid zephyr
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All units in that range

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Obol must be fastest

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You cannot be faster because you will lap the mobs due to speed debuff from Fangus

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You can fit in bramble wherever you can

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If you can’t it’s fine

scarlet quartz
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or battlewill

glass skiff
scarlet quartz
pure junco
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At some point you're gonna want to spend time your line up against some bosses

valid zephyr
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I can send screenshots when I’m home but it’s about 90% clear rate

glass skiff
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Ok I slowly till then, need skill up for obel?

valid zephyr
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Because you extend the DoTs that Obol applies on Hoyan with SSania

glass skiff
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Mine 111

valid zephyr
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Before SSania goes

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S3 is a must

glass skiff
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Ok no wonder

pure junco
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Yeah you need to max his S3

glass skiff
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No more purple lattice

valid zephyr
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It’s 80% overall chance to stun at max vs 60% overall chance

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It’s a very big difference

pure junco
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Do you have Union shop open?

valid zephyr
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Also Ember Trek reset

pure junco
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Oh yeah

valid zephyr
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There’s like 1 there

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Or 2

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Can’t rmb the amount

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But it gives some

pure junco
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Ember Trek is also easier now

valid zephyr
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astarte is fucking easy now on difficulty 1

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Since you actually have a chance to not get stunned

glass skiff
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Oh I go farm then...already used up shop lattice on other units

valid zephyr
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Difficulty 2 is a different story

pure junco
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And we know how these enemies like stun locking you 😅

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Anyway you got this Hoshizora

valid zephyr
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Yea but Obol S3 not maxed is probably why your clears are not reliable

glass skiff
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Thanks

valid zephyr
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Fangus also needs S2 and S1 maxed

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For reliability

glass skiff
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Ya my fangus is max

valid zephyr
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SSania needs S1

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Valerian is whatever

pure junco
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Oooooh a maxed Fangus

valid zephyr
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she is just there to be a target so the others don’t get hit

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My Fangus is also maxed

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I have extra purple stuff anyways

glass skiff
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I tried lily her auto w dots is a joke

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N give up

pure junco
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You could also do Ani for Lattices

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If you're desperate

glass skiff
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Ok I go farm then

valid zephyr
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But Valerian is useful for bringing Artisan and being a target

glass skiff
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Lily spam skill 3 n make Sonia spam skill 3 n i lose more

valid zephyr
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Lily isn’t that useful cause you just end up randomly dying

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You need Codex if you want to use Lily

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Or S2 max on SSania

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Cause SSania skill prio is S2> 3

glass skiff
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Oic ok, any recommendations for doki doki if no kloss, Rosa, xiada?

valid zephyr
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So either Lily self resets for S2

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Or S2 cooldown is such that Lily resets it instead of S3

pure junco
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You can still use Obol for her

glass skiff
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My inferno doki doki also inconsistent despite nerf

valid zephyr
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No Rosa Xiada or Rilmocha?

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who are you using as DPS?

glass skiff
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Got rimocha

pure junco
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Nice

valid zephyr
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You don’t need Rilmocha

glass skiff
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No kloss, Rosa, xiada

valid zephyr
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I mean

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You don’t need Kloss

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You have Lily

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i don’t use Kloss either

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Cause until I max her S3 the debuff landing or not is too RNG

pure junco
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The Doki spam will be televized

glass skiff
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What team u used?

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No Rosa or xiada also

valid zephyr
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You don’t need those

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you have the best DPS which is Rilmocha

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You literally go in

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Buff

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Sleep the mobs

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Rilmocha moves one shot the wave and repeat

pure junco
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What is your overall team you've been using

valid zephyr
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You need Kazuyo and her S3 maxed

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You can just run Lily Rilmocha Buffer/Debuffer Kazuyo Valerian

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I run Freya cause I use Xiada so I prefer buffs

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But Tsukiyomi

graceful juniper
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Nooo why hp bonus you fk

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glass skiff
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Ya xiada is the only one I know ok without kloss

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Cos she can def break

valid zephyr
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I don’t rely on the def break

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Xiada is good not cause of def break

glass skiff
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N her revelation stack is op

valid zephyr
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It’s cause of revelation abuse + AOE

devout crag
valid zephyr
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The def break doesn’t land 90% of the time

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The mobs have 120% eff res

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On top of whatever they already have

glass skiff
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Failure rate very high

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N she cant abuse revelation

valid zephyr
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She can but then you don’t run one shot comps

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You will still kill it but the then the over damage won’t pop the others

glass skiff
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I used rilmocha, grey, lily, kazuyo, valerian

indigo oyster
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garrrrrrr

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glass skiff
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Success rare quite low

vague violet
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Weapon in 2 pulls

graceful juniper
valid zephyr
indigo oyster
glass skiff
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Grey, lily, kazuyo, rilmocha, val

valid zephyr
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Why is your Lily slower than Grey

glass skiff
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My rilmocha quite far from 1shot anything

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Cos grey got swiftraid

graceful juniper
valid zephyr
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Send builds for Grey Kazuyo and Rilmocha

glass skiff
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Ok

valid zephyr
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Lily too I guess

glass skiff
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My kazuyo still move before rimol

graceful juniper
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I guess your support are quite fast

valid zephyr
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Also if you can record a video of your run so I can see what’s wrong

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With S2 maxed on Lily you need about 50-60 more speed on your supports to not get lapped if your Lily is about 300 speed

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Based on my own testing

graceful juniper
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My unit speed kinda awful....i prefer 12 timeswift rather than 12 swiftrush

Well its currently working now

valid zephyr
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TImeweave you mean?

graceful juniper
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Oh yea timeweave....kazuyo 12 timeweave + cdr pet is really helpful on inferno dokidoki...xiada deal pitiful dmg without revelation/defbreak/no cc applied lol

valid zephyr
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I mean everyone does pitful damage with no CC

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It’s 90% damage res

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On top of def and other stuff

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But a 260 speed Kazuyo on Gigabyte will always cleanse off the damage reduction if she has speed buff from some other person

graceful juniper
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Ahahaha my speed set kinda awful thats why i go timeweave instead....praying oneday i got those swiftrush+timeweave bear

valid zephyr
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Just keep farming I guess

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I really like gigabyte for PVE

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Cause there’s no way you’re gonna one shot the content all the time

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So if you can’t oneshot

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They will take turns

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And gigabyte has no cooldown

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So essentially you get free turn meter everytime the enemies move

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It doesn’t matter if you CC them

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As long as it’s their turn it adds to the count

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I like it more than Jackal if you have speed buffer in your team

glass skiff
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I adjust my rune now grey is slightly slower than rilmocha...now grey 2 module 0speed

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Rip

valid zephyr
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That’s a very shit Rilmocha

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Tbh

glass skiff
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Well guess just farm hell i guess

valid zephyr
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And Grey is meh

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Grey must be run as a subDPS for inferno imo

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Otherwise he doesn’t contribute enough

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He also doesn’t have enough eff acc for inferno

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you need at LEAST 200

royal furnace
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Your gray needs crit

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Not acc

valid zephyr
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Otherwise you miss your def break eitherways

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And he’s useless

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Either build him as a DPS

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Or if you want to use him as def break he needs 200% eff acc

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But I would still recommend building him as DPS

glass skiff
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If dps then I might as well just bring another dps?

valid zephyr
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Otherwise you might as well bring someone like Freya if you have

glass skiff
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Better than grey

valid zephyr
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12% damage debuff

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atk buff to Rilmocha

glass skiff
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I got other dps honestly...

valid zephyr
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Do you have Freya?

pure junco
royal furnace
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If your gray is skilled up and you got decent swiftrush dps gear

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He is great

glass skiff
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Not decent swift rush...my only swiftrush module is from the free hp% one that first clear give

valid zephyr
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Yea no then don’t use him

glass skiff
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Which is why grey half ass build...1hp%

valid zephyr
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That Grey is completely useless

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You don’t need the crit rate buff

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He can’t apply def break reliably

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He doesn’t do damage

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He’s just deadweight

glass skiff
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I see i try 2 dps then

main elm
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Is it just me or Doki nerf didn't really do shit

royal furnace
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You dont have dinah or kloss?

valid zephyr
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Oh oops

glass skiff
valid zephyr
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Wrong ping sorry

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@glass skiff do you have Freya

glass skiff
main elm
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Yes why

inland warren
valid zephyr
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It doesn’t help cause you guys aren’t building the team properly to clear

inland warren
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If you couldnt clear before, this hardly do nothing

valid zephyr
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It’s a nerf not a free pass to clear

glass skiff
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Got dinah but red in doki with my rimolcha....I dont think she survive wave 2

valid zephyr
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Like I said if you think the nerf makes farming hitting a training dummy then no

glass skiff
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Ya I couldn't clear before...now maybe 20% chance

valid zephyr
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Yea cause your team is shit ngl

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Do you have Freya?

main elm
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Yesterday

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valid zephyr
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I keep asking if he has Freya

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And he doesn’t answer

main elm
valid zephyr
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Not you

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Hoshizora

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Cause if you running one shot Rilmocha with those crit stats Freya will do more

glass skiff
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I tried double dps i got yeli

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So far seem better

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Here suggesting why not trying dps 2...I trying sub grey with yeli now

valid zephyr
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Cause double DPS runs are susceptible to the middle mob OHKOing them

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It’s not reliable unless you can oneshot both waves

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Which with your stats you can’t

glass skiff
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I see so bring freya?

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Freya with yeli or rimocha better?

plush salmon
valid zephyr
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Is your Yeli max skilled?

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Yeli is trash until you max skill her

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4/5/5

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Just use your Rilmocha

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The thing is the nerf doesn’t make Doki easier in the sense that if you couldn’t already clear you won’t be clearing it

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They didn’t remove the gimmick

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You still have to CC and do the damage

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But runs will be more reliable when you can clear it

glass skiff
valid zephyr
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Okay then you can TRY her

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But she needs revelation

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Which I doubt you have based on your gear

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So just use Rilmocha

glass skiff
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I have

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My revelation was better...I use count on rimolcha which is much harder to farm

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Can't clear that inferior for count

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Got triple set for revelation

valid zephyr
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Can try

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Yeli is just revelation abuse

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And she can self cleanse + def break

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But then it won’t be one shot comp

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I still recommend bringing Freya

glass skiff
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Can I swap out the thrash rat for freya

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Rat i guess op after i get op gear

valid zephyr
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Yes

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Also

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If you revelation abusing

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Drop the crit damage and put atk bonus if you can

glass skiff
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Oh ok

valid zephyr
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That build is okay for general content

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But Doki mobs have so much HP you want more attack to get higher revelation damage

glass skiff
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I didn't think of this, tot stack crit damage since yeli 100% crit

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Will swap when get something suitable

valid zephyr
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Yeap but you can try Yeli for now

glass skiff
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Ok thanks for the tips

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Was following random youtube guide recommending rimocha with count...guess it is just pure stats issue

valid zephyr
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Like Doki with the nerf is alot easier IF you have a built team

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Aka max levelled units and proper sets and gear

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You don’t need the 6pc set to clear

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I cleared it without

upbeat breach
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Problem with doki is the stupid rng with stuns and etc

valid zephyr
glass skiff
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I can 6star 2 more unit but when resources r so rare

valid zephyr
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I’m using Xiada

glass skiff
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I dont dare till I totally sure who to 6star to help progression

valid zephyr
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DPSes must be 6* max levelled if you want to use them for inferno

upbeat breach
torpid willow
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It was hard, but in the end it seems like PvE is starting to make sense and is much better balanced — good job

valid zephyr
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It’s not but it’s slow

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If you didn’t farm during 2x or didn’t get to farm it’s quite hard actually

upbeat breach
valid zephyr
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Your Valerian needs to be built for the stun lock

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And you can target focus

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It’s in the auto repeat settings

upbeat breach
valid zephyr
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Because the cooldowns are staggered

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Sometimes RNG is bad and you just suck thumb and move on

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But you need to be able to tank the stun

glass skiff
valid zephyr
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Left to right

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Avoid hitting the middle mob

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Cause unless you one shot him

glass skiff
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Wave 2?

valid zephyr
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he will gain stacking attack/damage buff

glass skiff
valid zephyr
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My Valerian gives the team a 5k shield

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  • artisan
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There’s no way to avoid the stun

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But you want to get stunned and then not die

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Valerian helps you to not die

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Timeweaver on Valerian helps alot too

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Valerian doesn’t need to be fast

valid zephyr
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If they all power up before you kill wave 1

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You don’t have enough damage

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Kazuyo S1 level 2 or 3 the one that gives the sleep chance is good to level up too

upbeat breach
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Yeah that is what I was running 50k+ valerian with timeweave

glass skiff
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Em so it is just wave 2 avoid the middle mob n kill other mob first?

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Got it

upbeat breach
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it is just that sometimes I get rng locked and that is it

valid zephyr
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Yea I mean when RNG says no

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RNG says no

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But that’s gonna be the case whenever it has to do with debuffs

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Oh yea another reason why I like to bring Freya

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She has a 2 turn debuff cleanse thingy on her S2

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Which is useful for the stuns as well

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Just more things to tweak in your favour

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I like her better than Kloss tbh

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As long as you have enough damage

valid zephyr
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Can you kill left mob before he powers up?

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If you can then target left

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If not target right first

glass skiff
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Ok I go check

valid zephyr
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Cause they power up the left one first then right

tribal osprey
glass skiff
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Would u recommend to 6star freya n lily?

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I still wondering who is next to 6star.... seem like this team comp i can finally farm doki doki...just that sometimes my dps died n fail

gilded mason
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i like how hoyan is just "throw everything you got at it and hope it dies"

tribal osprey
gilded mason
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so it hasnt reached perfection then

tribal osprey
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I don’t have inferno gear so

pure junco
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8x Hell is what we all deserve ladies and gentlemen

tribal osprey
pure junco
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Moon Knight?

gilded mason
pure junco
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Is that how you reached perfection

gilded mason
pure junco
small knot
# pure junco

dorodoro dw we can tell with how slow these nerfs and qol roll out

pure junco
valid zephyr
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As long as he stuns one you can clear

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Aka run 2 artisans

inland warren
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Another two rounds of nerfs and then we might be able to start farming 🤣

valid zephyr
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My SHoyan clear is 90% clear rate rn

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Im using Artisan instead of Codex on SSania

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Because if you follow my speed tune

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Its 245-250

main elm
valid zephyr
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Obol Fangus SSania

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All goes before SHoyan

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Which means you will definitely get at least 5-6 detonate stacks

inland warren
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Bro you play dot. Not really in the position to give advices tbh lmao

valid zephyr
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People play DoT and still cant get reliable clears

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Ive also helped my guild mate built non DoT comps that are about 60-70% clear rate

small knot
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10% innate ruining dot is my favorite thing in the world

inland warren
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Imagine playing dot and telling other people that if you cant clear inferno is skill issue

valid zephyr
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DoT is cheap

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Not reliable

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Because Ive failed 10 runs in a row cause no DoTa landed or stuns landed at all

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Which is fucking stupid

inland warren
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You think that "normal" team comps are more reliable?

valid zephyr
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With the nerfs yes cause everyone in my guild that Ive helped said their runs are more reliable now

marsh topaz
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yeah they want me to quit

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over 20m shell exp only 1 red spd roll

valid zephyr
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My highest speed piece is 10

gilded mason
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I dont even have 1 red spd roll

marsh topaz
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good lord...

inland warren
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Same lmao

small knot
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Deserved for dot users tbh

gilded mason
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I only have yellow one, 12 spd or smth

small knot
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Dw I will support you when I get SSania dorodoro

carmine palm
valid zephyr
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Although Im gonna be honest

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Ive just been farming shells

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The last time I farmed Doki was last week

small knot
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Ihatedotfanpage

marsh topaz
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not module rolls

valid zephyr
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Oh

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I thought you meant module rolls

marsh topaz
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my highest module is 14 FrogCoolCry

valid zephyr
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My highest shell is 20

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On a fucking revelation

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Maybe someday I play Freya revelation for PVP

small knot
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10 spd on module roll dorodoro

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My highest is 15 on one of my momentum pieces

scarlet quartz
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I have a couple 13s

valid zephyr
scarlet quartz
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doesnt help that lily pushes for 500 cr too

small knot
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That’s a you problem I don’t have any problem with that

scarlet quartz
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I dont even have her S2 skilled

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and she is still fucking shit up

small knot
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All my supports are like 50 spd faster than my dps

marsh topaz
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my 304 lily got outsped 3 times in a row in arena pepethinking

valid zephyr
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Why do you even want spd for DPSes for PVE

marsh topaz
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i love rilmocha havers

small knot
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I don’t it just happened to happen

scarlet quartz
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in rengoku

valid zephyr
main elm
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Tbh I never ran any DoT team and I don't think I'm behind at all, dot team kinda helped in the 1st few days in terror and couple of shells, so I skipped terror and made teams for Doki, Aurora and Nico.

All pre-nerf, farmed them enough so I had relatively better gear than most SSania owners on these bosses

small knot
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And I didn’t have any other good right side main stat for momentum

valid zephyr
marsh topaz
scarlet quartz
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It takes some yeah

marsh topaz
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they use swiftsmite etc.

valid zephyr
scarlet quartz
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speed isnt that desireable on dps u definitely wouldnt wanna chase it

warped stump
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i run dots for hoyan inferno cause my guildmates got on my case for not using them, but i don't see any stability issues once i tuned celince's speed appropriately

marsh topaz
valid zephyr
main elm
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Need is a strong word

scarlet quartz
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I mean swiftsmite is 19 speed on lily alone

marsh topaz
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no you dont or im dumn

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dumb

warped stump
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depends on the base of the unit, like lily/kloss need +192-193 which is easy

main elm
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My fastest swift piece is 6 coz my luck is shit, but my Mio speed is 330

valid zephyr
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To hit 320 you need about 70 ish speed from substats which is 10+ per piece

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Unless my math is wrong

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Which then feel free to correct me

glass skiff
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Thanks heavenz

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Way better than my previous 30% win rate run

valid zephyr
warped stump
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swiftsmite or swiftrush??

glass skiff
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Freya more useful than I expected

valid zephyr
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People run shitty af teams and be like OMG NERFS DONT MAKE A DIFFERENCE

main elm
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Blue one

warped stump
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fuckin hell

left snow
marsh topaz
left snow
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no need for swiftsmite

warped stump
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i need to take your luck and put it on my arch nemesis so he stops sacking speed rolls

glass skiff
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Well people wan the nerf to make it easier to clear

marsh topaz
glass skiff
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Not just clear more consistently

valid zephyr
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People dont

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They bring stuff like that shitty Grey you had

main elm
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Blue swift is the way to go, purple one u need to be a lucksack coz Aurora farming is too long and painful

valid zephyr
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And be like why cant I clear

scarlet quartz
valid zephyr
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Nerfs dont make a difference

main elm
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Nerf Aurora HP plz

scarlet quartz
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but 10 speed average isnt that bad to hit

left snow
warped stump
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i mean the funniest shit i read was someone complaining that they did not want to build diting or cachi and complained content that those two are good at is too hard

left snow
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who even uses swiftsmite atm

main elm
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No one coz no one farming Aurora

scarlet quartz
warped stump
marsh topaz
valid zephyr
main elm
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Bulwark? Lol
BB? Rev lol

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Aurora sets = lol

valid zephyr
main elm
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Momentum and fury though kinda great

valid zephyr
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They want to use their terrormaton team to clear both Doki and Aurora and then complain the nerf to Doki was not enough because their Diting comp for Terro cant do Aurora

main elm
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But onslaught with rev is kinda meta atm

valid zephyr
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Bruh

left snow
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for pvp

main elm
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Harvest very underrated

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My diting 1 shot better than any other 8set on harvest

valid zephyr
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Also sets dont make a that huge a difference to whether you can clear or not cause I cleared Doki Inferno back when I had no furyedge fury 8 or momentum 12

zenith wraith
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If I only knew from the start that this game has 0 strategy diversity, I never would've started. I'm new to the genre and in most MMOs, I like going tanky for my 1st toon because it's usually the newbie friendly way to play. Playing it SLOW but SAFE while I'm learning. I didn't know that in Etheria Restart, going Tanky is a death wish! The game is forcing or encouraging it's playerbase to play a specific playstyle to succeed, which is to GO FAST, HIT HARD. Going SLOW but SAFE is not viable because the boss will shit all over your face w/ it's enraged mechanic. As a tank, your wincon is to outlive the boss no matter how long it takes. This is not the ideal way to play for most players (there's always more players who prefer DPSing in most games anyway) but it should still be an available strategy for players who prefer a different approach other than hyper DPSing. This doesn't work in Ethera Restart because the bosses are designed to get stronger the longer the fight drags. They even have a way to stop your healing (LORD HELP ME). This is why everybody is just building the same team comps and pulling the same characters. Because in order to succeed in this game, you have to play it the way you need to, not the way you want to. The only way to go is to follow the meta, GO FAST, HIT HARD! NO OTHER WAY! No way tank comps can be successful in this game. I'm also fully aware that this is a mistake on my part because there's a meta to be followed for a reason but my intention for bringing this up is not ill-willed. I want the game to succeed and I strongly believe that making the strategy in this game more diverse will make it more successful.

warped stump
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if there is no defense break, harvest is pretty insane

valid zephyr
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Just to be clear

main elm
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If I only knew from the start that this game has 0 strategy diversity, I never would've started. I'm new to the genre and in most MMOs, I like going tanky for my 1st toon because it's usually the newbie friendly way to play. Playing it SLOW but SAFE while I'm learning. I didn't know that in Etheria Restart, going Tanky is a death wish! The game is forcing or encouraging it's playerbase to play a specific playstyle to succeed, which is to GO FAST, HIT HARD. Going SLOW but SAFE is not viable because the boss will shit all over your face w/ it's enraged mechanic. As a tank, your wincon is to outlive the boss no matter how long it takes. This is not the ideal way to play for most players (there's always more players who prefer DPSing in most games anyway) but it should still be an available strategy for players who prefer a different approach other than hyper DPSing. This doesn't work in Ethera Restart because the bosses are designed to get stronger the longer the fight drags. They even have a way to stop your healing (LORD HELP ME). This is why everybody is just building the same team comps and pulling the same characters. Because in order to succeed in this game, you have to play it the way you need to, not the way you want to. The only way to go is to follow the meta, GO FAST, HIT HARD! NO OTHER WAY! No way tank comps can be successful in this game. I'm also fully aware that this is a mistake on my part because there's a meta to be followed for a reason but my intention for bringing this up is not ill-willed. I want the game to succeed and I strongly believe that making the strategy in this game more diverse will make it more successful.

warped stump
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pvp

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(or sharon lol)

valid zephyr
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Oh you use Harvest for Sharon?

left snow
valid zephyr
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Hmm maybe I should

main elm
left snow
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unless its massiah

warped stump
left snow
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you want harvest it is way more impactful than anything else

valid zephyr
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Im running Onslaught Fury Furyedge

left snow
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yeli probably also deals way too much damage for it to matter

valid zephyr
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Yea

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So I didnt swap

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Cause Im fishing for spd roll pieces on swiftrush

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constantly out of money

warped stump
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im just perma farming shells being perpetually broke there instead and pooling money for my next dokidoki run

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its pretty lit out here ive now jumped to 5 3swift 3tw jackal guards for unit depth lmao.

valid zephyr
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Shells give money too no?

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Its not alot but its some

warped stump
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ya thats why im farming it lol

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shells give money and i can also work on trying to hit good shells in the process

valid zephyr
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Ive just been using it to fish on the three stat pieces to see if I get spd on 4th

warped stump
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would like one 3swift 3tw 3swiftsmite jackal guard plz but thats gonna be months away dejjmas

valid zephyr
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The best I got is this

left snow
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thats pretty good

valid zephyr
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Im actually building a turn 2 team for arena rn

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If Im not gonna outspeed them

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Im gonna immunity my ass and gigabyte them

undone vortex
left snow
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tank team should work in etherena since they can't ban viper

valid zephyr
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Im not running tank team

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The thing is Im only slightly slower than them

tribal osprey
valid zephyr
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Im not like 50 speed slower

warped stump
valid zephyr
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So they cannot push their DPS to overtake me if they dont meter down me

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They need to run Heinrich or Holden

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Which I can ban

main elm
valid zephyr
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So I just let their three supports move

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They dont do jack due to immunity

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I gigabyte up and knock them down

gilded mason
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Devs dont know how to balance

valid zephyr
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Cause their immunity expires if they run bulwark

gilded mason
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So they use enrage mechanic

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And cc

valid zephyr
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Since they take turn one

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I take turn 2 and make sure they never take a turn again

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I mean you cant win every fight

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You just have to win more than you lose

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And you climb

marsh topaz
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just realized i dont have a single 3 swiftrush + swiftraid white fang after dumping 3 weeks of stamina into nico

valid zephyr
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So far it works

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I just dont have enough bulwark sets for RTA

left snow
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i mean to me it sounds like you are overlooking a lot of aspects

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like cleave teams not actually running any debuffs

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just tskiyo/yang

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they are gonna still cleave your ass

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bullwark does pretty much nothing

valid zephyr
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As long as they dont push me down gigabyte will push me up

left snow
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i mean depends on the draft

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if i pick yang and 3 dps

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i will cleave you and you can't win ever

warped stump
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being tuned to yang is diabolical on a side note

valid zephyr
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Yea but thats why I said you cant win everything

main elm
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willing to pay ppl to finish embertrek for me, can't stand doing that shit every month

warped stump
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that mf has no bar boost you gotta be running a demonic draft for that

left snow
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or did i misunderstand you

warped stump
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what

left snow
warped stump
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real

valid zephyr
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Most people are just running speed to try and knockdown the opponent team in RTA

warped stump
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i thougth it was just a atk crit buff

valid zephyr
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I mean I dont know about the other servers

left snow
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rta is cross server

left snow
valid zephyr
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But thats what Im queuing into for RTA

left snow
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or are you master II in etherena

uncut mica
warped stump
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wait do you use yang s3 turn 1

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and just snipe a target

left snow
valid zephyr
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RTA Im diamond?

warped stump
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i would have thought you would go for the atk crit buff but damn i am clueless

left snow
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a sec

warped stump
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i got a lot to learn if i want to cleave like i cleaved in swar i guess

left snow
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i will record a game

uncut mica
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you run him giga fast on Revelation and delete somebody with 6 hits while pushing your entire team up

valid zephyr
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Im not master in RTA cause Im lazy so I havent tried pushing

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I rather stay low level so its easy to farm currency

left snow
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yang drafts usually look like this

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you ban protect him

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pick 2-3 dps 1/2 cc

valid zephyr
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I just want to get my 2k points and leave

left snow
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you run 3 very fast dps

valid zephyr
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How fast is very fast?

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Btw

left snow
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like 270-280

valid zephyr
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Hmm

warped stump
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so are we looking at like revelation 12swiftrush 8harvest 6swraid sets here

left snow
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you need your dps to go before enemy opener

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so they can cleave before your opponent takes a turn

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if your dps is slower than enemy opener

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you lose

uncut mica
valid zephyr
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Interesting

left snow
valid zephyr
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Not like I have the reaources to build it anyways

left snow
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like if i have a 240 massiah

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would it be pushed faster than a 340 tsukiyo

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for example

uncut mica
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well a 340 Tsukiyo would take turn before the 330 yang

valid zephyr
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^

left snow
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i mean yang is faster than 330 in this scenario

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lets say yang is 341 tsukiyo is 340

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whats the math

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for yang to push dps above tsukiyo ?

uncut mica
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but yeah 240 ish should guarantee it

valid zephyr
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It depends on their DPS too no?

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Cause Tsukiyo can push their DPS up

left snow
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their dps doesnt matter

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you need to go before tsukiyo

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in this scenario

valid zephyr
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Yea Im saying that if your Yang is 330 and Tsukiyo is 340

left snow
uncut mica
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might be some wonkiness with the %s if the enemy Tsukiyo is also at 100% with your Yang taking turn 1 by like 1 speed

valid zephyr
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Theres no scenario you win

left snow
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for me yang wasnt enough when my massiah was 260 speed

valid zephyr
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Unless Im misunderstanding something

left snow
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and yang was 341

valid zephyr
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Yea but RTA takes too long

left snow
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are you sure thats how the math is @uncut mica

valid zephyr
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How much is Yangs gauge

left snow
valid zephyr
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The thing is that gauge push is relative

uncut mica
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0-30% depending on the number of crits

valid zephyr
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It depends on where on the starting line you are

warped stump
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its definitely higher than 240. when i ran lily to boost massiah in arena with max s2 (so 30% boost) 240 was not enough to stop me from getting cut

valid zephyr
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Which depends on how fast the first unit in the line up is

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Im assuming this works like every other game btw

warped stump
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i think my massiah is like 255 right now to not get cut from a 341 lily boost

valid zephyr
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Cause everyone queues up behind the lead unit

left snow
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thats almost as fast as mine

valid zephyr
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And how far away you are

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Depends on your spd

left snow
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i never paid attention to the crits

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i might have missed crits

valid zephyr
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So that means that your DPS should be within 30% of Yang on the starting line

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No?

left snow
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cause this wasnt enough for me to go before my opponents opener

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need to record it so i see if he is missing crits

warped stump
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oh yeah, yang also doesn't give speed buff which hurts even more lol

uncut mica
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yeah if your Yang missed crits on his push up hits then you'd need even more speed to make up

warped stump
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with spd buff and 30% boost its like 255, so with no spd buff its probably even higher req to tune lol

left snow
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i need to pay attention to that next time

uncut mica
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so never hit a green unit with him unless you're sitting at 130%

warped stump
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wait you're telling me the guy who is green legit everywhere on his outfit is blue type

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man...

valid zephyr
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Bro

left snow
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best cleave openers pretty much

warped stump
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smfh

valid zephyr
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The unit that is fucking green is red

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Aka holden

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The unit that is purple is fucking green

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Those two siblings are 100% bruh moment

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Choice SSR when

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I want a Tsukiyomi

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I am missing like 4 SSRs

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Tsuki Borgne Heinrich and

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Uh

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Rilmocha

graceful cradle
left snow
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holden was 275 speed, so yeli was at least 275+ here

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she barely got faster than obol sitting at 317

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although that was 5 crits total and cant tell if it was yang or his dog that missed the crit

ripe kraken
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Guys

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This thread hit 50 k messages

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Congrats

distant wedge
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let’s make it 100K by friday evening

ripe kraken
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Even then the fix will be

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Nerfing nico nana hp by 10 percent

mental mural
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Nerf aurora
NOW

ripe kraken
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Guys I think after yeli banner ends they do a big patch right

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It's like next week

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So next week might be big

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If it isn't

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That's the end most likely

gilded mirage
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#MakeCCGreatAgain

tribal osprey
gilded mirage
tribal osprey
gilded mason
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just put revelation on everything

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op shell

uncut mica
# left snow

what were the unit's %s in the buff tabs before your Yang? The turn meter bar is really bad for this thing where everyone gets piled up close to each other

glass ruin
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anyone here that cleared rengo inferno w/o kloss?

gilded mirage
glass ruin
royal badge
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how do u manual rengo

gilded mirage
gilded mirage
royal badge
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do i nuke down the boss only?

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or are the ads important

polar falcon
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I can't quite make the Yeli/Lily/Val/Kloss team work on him, still get wiped 75% on the time, he's brutal

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Wonder if Viper is more consistant than Kloss

left snow
polar falcon
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Need turn order to be Lily-Kloss-Yeli but you're still fucked if you get silenced

royal badge
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does the element rengo starts on matter at all

gilded mirage
left snow
gilded mirage
valid zephyr
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Oh wait I'm blind

gilded mirage
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XD

valid zephyr
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I thought that was Xiada

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You auto with that comp?

left snow
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whats your win rate ?

gilded mirage
left snow
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thats pretty good

valid zephyr
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Like honestly I don't really care I just want to 10 clears for the hyperlink charter cause the one last mission is triggering my OCD

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What's the speed on those units?

gilded mirage
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Viper needs to be faster than mob

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Or win rate drops

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I use a fast Lily but if solo Viper, someone said 290ish speed lol

mental mural
valid zephyr
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How do you deal with silence?

gilded mirage
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I first did this with 314 speed Lily but now she's 330+

valid zephyr
gilded mirage
valid zephyr
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I mean I know but the thing is I get silenced later on and the run just dies

gilded mirage
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No Viper gets away with 270ish cause of Lily

gilded mirage
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Silences are why my runs lose tbh

valid zephyr
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How does Viper stall because Viper doesn't push back

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So the mobs will still take a turn eventually

gilded mirage
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Lily/Yeli silence means there's a chance to fail lol but still makes it through usually especially if first def break lands

gilded mirage
valid zephyr
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Yea but it doesn't stop silence

gilded mirage
valid zephyr
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Huh

gilded mirage
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Since Lily is fast, Yeli hopefully landed def break

valid zephyr
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Can I see the stats on your Viper?

ruby canyon
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I've had the most success on auto with this, idk how you guys do it with yeli or viper, dmg is just nonexistent

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valid zephyr
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I don't know Yeli is super RNG for me

gilded mirage
valid zephyr
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And Xiada doesn't kill fast enough on auto

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I assume S1 maxed?

gilded mirage
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This is with Speed upgrade today but yeah you'll probably need 270 speed

valid zephyr
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Yea I'm thinking if I get that

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I'm just worried that if I do get that my Aurora Inferno breaks

gilded mirage
valid zephyr
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Like I literally gave my Xiada more damage and my Aurora Inferno runs just start failing

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???

gilded mirage
valid zephyr
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Like ALL the stats increased

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But I start failing

distant wedge
#

There are almost no units in the game that have 2 skills that are good into the threshold bosses. Since they are immune to all control effects after the tenacity implementation having CC in your kit is a downside. Nukes do damage but that damage doesn't do anything until the boss is dead. all of the def breakers in the game a goofballs (yes even kloss, her S2 just thuds into tenacity). Buff stacking is okay but your runs still take 5+ min and won't be 100% because if they brought enough utility to the boss fight as buff stacking supports they would be game breaking in PvP. The problem with the threshold dungeons is not that they have too much stats, it's that they have too much utility. Either some of the utility needs to be trimmed off the bosses or they need to lose the tenacity mechanic. The kinds of units that generate enough value to consistently auto clear these dungeons would be game breaking, and I think it's important to be able to build 95%+ auto clears that take 2 min or the game is just another waiting room for someone to make an actual good game in the genre.

azure hare
gilded mason
distant wedge
outer falcon
outer falcon
hazy kindle
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The biggest problem with DokiDoki Inferno is even with insanely high Accuracy at 100-150% I still often miss half the enemies or more with the stupid rng completely ruining runs they need their resistance nerfed.

gilded mason
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Sorry man 150% aint gonna cut it

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You need 260%

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Did you know mobs have eff accuracy %?

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That is hidden?

pastel inlet
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oh lawl good to know they start at 160%

gilded mason
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You cant see it

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Who knows how much more hidden info there is

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That they aint tellin

pastel inlet
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anyone have a HOYAN team without kloss or ssania? ive been trying lily, obol, rosa +1. super small winrate on manual like 1/15 pepesage

gilded mason
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A wut

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Shadow sania team without shadow sania? Truly perfection

pastel inlet
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XD

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i meant hoyan

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derp

gilded mason
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Do you have celinxe

pastel inlet
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yes

gilded mason
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If u have her then you can easily farm it as long as your stats are enough

sacred mirage
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Celince fangus obol

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And then support

gilded mason
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Are fucked

sacred mirage
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I 6* my celince earlier today to double dip her into doki

gilded mason
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Even if we can clear, its like 50% wr

pastel inlet
warped stump
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no sustain, doubt it - you'd have to two cycle the boss or you will die a horrible death

sacred mirage
pastel inlet
sacred mirage
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Celince fixed the consistency

pastel inlet
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COPIUM celine is my sustain right

valid zephyr
pastel inlet
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guess ill start saving up lattice for fangus and give that team a shot

valid zephyr
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If you actually bothered to read the patch notes

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You would realised that they nerf Astarte mobs eff acc

gilded mason
hazy kindle
# gilded mason

Holy crap no wonder I have some much trouble hitting my CC’s WTF if I invest any more into accuracy my characters will be a sheet of paper

young tree
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they should've nerfed the eff res of hoyan as well

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that way I can actually auto this bi

outer falcon
warped stump
outer falcon
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It's always my Xiada getting dumpstered that kills me

hazy kindle
azure hare
sacred mirage
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Ngl they genuinely seem to not give a shit about player experience and are gonna "wait and see" until people refund or mass leave

outer falcon
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Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of speed tuning such that Kaz's sleep is ever useful for DR but at least she doesn't die dv_frogKekOwO

sacred mirage
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Pavlovs dog type shit tbh

frozen stone
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When the player base decline even more

sacred mirage
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This nerf just showed they want to stress test what people will take

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Not whats helpful

pure junco
carmine palm
ripe kraken
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Imagine new server is just the lilyless people

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Going and failing again

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And waiting for another new server

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To pull for lily

carmine palm
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ya but that pads their "user" metrics, so someone gets a bonus

ripe kraken
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If the pad has no one active at a point

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Or -70 percent real players

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Then it's just padding with bots

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Like boosting ur game playability with bots

sacred mirage
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I feel like they should be more focused on retention than they are

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And it gives me concern

chilly iron
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patch notes when?

half lodge
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@left snow sory for ping but a question came to my mind would you say whaling on a unit dupe 6 does make the difference ot the difference is negligable? Mostly the 10%taken/done bcs i know you Play on high lvl rta and can answer me this question.
Have you got a situation more or less often oh he would have lived if not 6 dupes?

left snow
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Idk

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But I would have won like maybe a few more games

thick arch
valid zephyr
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That's google searches

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No?

half lodge
outer falcon
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Like pick 3 and go see what those look like and then we can start talking about that particular data a little bit but before that it doesn't mean much

outer falcon
sacred mirage
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They should have just kept inferno as it was then madr another difficulty later that let us "ascend" the same gear if they truly wanted us to not be that far in while buffing other content we didnt see yet

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Like ember trek hard

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Gatekeeping farm itself is wild

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Ive been doing inferno for a couple weeks now but it still sucks

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I hate it

warped stump
valid zephyr
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For how big they are

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It's not that much different

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Sure they lasted abit longer

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This is HSR

outer falcon
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Not useful

valid zephyr
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It doesn't matter

outer falcon
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You want smaller cap healthy games that have survived a few years now

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It absolutely matters

valid zephyr
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Google search interest will drop over time

warped stump
valid zephyr
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If even your juggernauts google search interest drops

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Why wouldn't a small cap game drop?

outer falcon
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I have no idea what you people think you're saying

warped stump
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google metrics are useless unless a major update just dropped

valid zephyr
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So answer this, if even big juggernauts google search metrics falls, why would a small cap game not fall even if it's sucessful?

outer falcon
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Did you bother looking at the numbers there or did you just look at the shape of the blue line?

tribal sluice
outer falcon
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And where did I say it wouldn't fall, either

pure junco
valid zephyr
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Google search metrics are relative, it's not how many raw searches there are, HSR took one month to fall to 1/4 of the "popularity measured by google search metrics, sure Etheria dropped faster, but it's not as popular with as much advertisment as HSR, which makes sense that popularity drops faster

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I'm saying that your argument that game is slowly dying isn't true

outer falcon
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All I said was that if you want to start using trend data as a metric of a game's health, you need a big data set of comparable games to contrast against

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Holy shit you're stupid lmao

valid zephyr
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I'm just saying google metrics is a horrible evidence to use to push the point

tribal sluice
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That's just honeymoon period, every game has that

valid zephyr
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Ah yes

outer falcon
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Read this 10 more times

tribal sluice
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Big hype release then big falloff from casual

outer falcon
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Jesus

valid zephyr
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The I can't win an argument so I call someone stupid

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It is here guys

outer falcon
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Goodbye

valid zephyr
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Bye

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Good riddance

outer falcon
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There is no argument, you're just too dumb to understand that I made your point better before you even tried

valid zephyr
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I'm totally up to discuss this but instead of presenting your point logically you call someone stupid

pure junco
#

You could always walk away

outer falcon
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And I'm not wasting any more time on you

valid zephyr
outer falcon
valid zephyr
#

Classic

pure junco
half lodge
valid zephyr
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Calls people names then proceed to block them

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Just shows how mature you are

outer falcon
valid zephyr
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I lose the argument so I block them

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Classic

pure junco
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Discord Power Battle

valid zephyr
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Indeed

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The classic I lose so if I block them I win

pure junco
#

Who has the bigger gun? Ready set go 🤣

outer falcon
thick arch
outer falcon
indigo oyster
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def up and still die 😂, i love pheobe
ik its counter aff
but 60%? hello, i survive 100% but cant survive 60%?

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thick arch
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can't those chess be cc?

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I remember ccing mobs and letting my diting chip away at the boss

indigo oyster
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she still do omega dmg even with the mob cc if u dont switch

polar falcon
gilded mirage
polar falcon
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ive got a decent Codex, imma give that a shot and see if it will do

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My difficulty is getting my Viper fast enough to go before my buffed Yeli lmao

valid zephyr
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Yea the thing is

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Viper needs very good gear

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Cause his base speed is fucking dog shit

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I'm not willing to 6* him

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Cause I got other stuff I'm building for PVP and PVE

polar falcon
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Viper is 6* worth

valid zephyr
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Not more than the other units I'm building

polar falcon
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If a 6* Viper helps you clear Regno Inferno on Auto is that not worth it

valid zephyr
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Yea but I need 6* on other people for other content

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Also even with the 6* I can't

pale jetty
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Id prefer to 6* kazuyo red over viper tbh

valid zephyr
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I need better gear on top of that

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Problem is my Yeli's gear is too fast

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She's 230 speed

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So I need like a 290 Viper

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Which even with the 6* I'm not hitting

pale jetty
#

Back to the doki mines with you peasant

pure junco
#

Six Star Asshu is where you're all missing the pie

pale jetty
valid zephyr
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Nah I'm just not gonna bother with Rengoku atm

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I don't need his stuff

mental mural
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Lily users stink

valid zephyr
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I can farm everything else without the drops from Rengoku so it's fine

sacred mirage
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Im gated by yellow lattices and dislike it.

pale jetty
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Kazuyo > lily tbh

pure junco
mental mural
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No

valid zephyr
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I should really go build a red Kazuyo for the event

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But it's almost over alr right?

mental mural
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They stink worse than a pig

uncut mica
pure junco
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Ah so they're "Hot" garbage. As expected of Blaze 😤

uncut mica
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2 week long event

valid zephyr
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Oh

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Hmm then maybe I should consider Kazuyo then

pale jetty
tribal osprey
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Was intended for yeli but I guess it's Rosa's now ...

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tidal arch
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Bro why is people still talking here, this is the new general channel or what

pale jetty
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Also dispel comes in handy

pale jetty
valid zephyr
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Also what's wrong with talking here

pure junco
tribal osprey
valid zephyr
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Are you gonna start backseat modding and say we can't talk here like that other guy in another channel?

tidal arch
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No, i got lily bye

pure junco
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We're reaching for the purest of pureness perfection in unrealistic reality

pale jetty
pale jetty
tribal osprey
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Bro Yeli saved my account frfr

pale jetty
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Reroll use kazuyo and cachi instead

tidal arch
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I have lily yall dont

polar falcon
tidal arch
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Bro someone here have a good vice with fortissimo?

pure junco
tribal osprey
tidal arch
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Yall dont

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Just me

pale jetty
gilded mirage