inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[open fable]

kewk

[tiny sage]

I remember that now yeah

[ancient lava]

also run looked insanely rng from replay watched

[tiny sage]

I maxxed doki's basic for sharon in ethernet

Shit is still ass

[open fable]

@tiny sage just pull lily

[tiny sage]

I have lily

[open fable]

wait oh yeah you do

[small knot]

https://tenor.com/view/tarjeta-de-credito-credit-card-gif-19426010

[open fable]

i finally got lily tho

been slaming all gold tix on apex summons

kewk

[tiny sage]

Rengoku Nerf when

[tribal osprey]

Oh another golden cube

[real trellis]

my guild member my hero my goat

[frozen stone]

When the game eos

[tiny sage]

[warped kestrel]

Modules, particularly Mythic modules, should sell for like 5 times the amount of Etheria Coin that they sell for right now. The Etheria Coin economy is a complete disaster.

How is it that a Mythic module at base sells for 5k Etheria Coin, yet upgrading it once costs 10k, and that's just once.

[open fable]

cause they want to slow down progression

[warped kestrel]

If they're so paranoid about people progressing, they should've simply not released Inferno stages with Inferno modules at launch, and they should've made it so modules have a far higher stat range so it takes much longer to get max rolls

So much inconsistency in the way they've gone about doing things

[tribal osprey]

They should have not released the game. No one can progress if its not out

[warped kestrel]

True.

[tribal osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-bhondamous-gif-22025607

[warped kestrel]

No better way of stopping progression than that

[tribal sluice]

Gotta do like 60 runs to max enhance 1 gear too assuming u don't recycle

😂

Luckily recycle all 2 matrix + bricked gear gives us some money back I guess

But they need to increase that as well

[warped kestrel]

Yeah, right now we're too busy trying to even survive, but eventually we will be on the max substat roll grind, upgrading every single module that has a Spd roll to +3 or +6 or even +9 to check if we can get quad/penta speed rolls, and at the current Etheria Coin gain rate, that looks hard, if not impossible.

This may force us to start off with way higher standards than normal for this kind of game(only rolling on Spd substat if the module comes with 4 innate substats unlocked, for example).

Normally, you'd start with lower standards and slowly progress towards having higher and higher standards... a far more natural and reasonable approach in my opinion.

[outer falcon]

I'm being more selective with my tests than I am with my old-ass SW account that's far closer to asymptotic gear quality

[warped kestrel]

I'm getting there too. It took me several years to go from keeping any runes with double speed rolls, to triple speed rolls, to only keeping runes with quad speed rolls, to then only keeping runes with max quad speed rolls or higher.

3 or so weeks in and I'm at the point where I have to be as selective with my modules in Etheria as I was with my SW runes several years into the game. Not because my modules are good enough that my standards have naturally risen, but because my Coin income is so low that I can't afford to be any less selective.

In a way this is not something I view as a big problem, since at least it's a problem that screws everyone equally, which is fair enough, unlike Inferno difficulty. So, sorry for even derailing this with that *comparatively minor issue.

[scarlet quartz]

u good

this is the nerf inferno / fuck the game thread

speaking of, how many more days of inferno nico before i get my fury keeneye

[tiny sage]

6 more of max refreshing

[scarlet quartz]

[tribal sluice]

I just think this HSR stam system sux lol

[errant mountain]

Stam is kind of inevitable in a gacha

the real issue is the stam cap

its so low

16.6 hours to regen full stam even with max stamina cap (which happens at level 100)

[gilded mason]

Wait till they start rolling out the stam packs

They starve you

Then they sell you food

[errant mountain]

if they make a pack to increase the stam cap im fucking quitting bro

[gilded mason]

Nah theyll just sell stamina refill

[errant mountain]

they already do that through gem refreshes

I doubt theyd add more packs to buy stamina

[pure junco]

SUPER VALUE!!!!! 20 PACK STAM AND 100K COINS 150$

[gilded mason]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-all-i-needed-to-hear-yassen-gregorovich-alex-rider-thats-all-i-needed-to-know-thats-all-i-needed-to-learn-gif-21652975

[errant mountain]

damn 100k coins? I can upgrade a single module from +14->+15 with that!

Aw dangit the module didnt roll speed feelsbadman

[undone vortex]

why'd they get rid of the weekly purple lettuce

why they make it a yellow shadow print

sus

[errant mountain]

WAIT THEY MADE THE PURPLE LATTICE A YELLOW SHADOWPRINT? Send it

send proof

cuz if thats true

that is insane

actually

yellow shadowprint might be better

ehhh

I mean you get 2 purple lattices a week from guild shop but

imo its harder to latticemax SRs than to 6* everyone you're using

[warped kestrel]

Purple Lattices will eventually be worthless at the rate we're going (SRs seem to be rarely released, none so far), but right now they're very valuable

I can see us having 100s of Purple Lattices down the line

That said, the game values a Purple Lattice the same as a Red Shadowprint, not a yellow one

In every shop, Purple Lattices and Red Prints are the exact same currency cost

[pure junco]

We should probably save them yeah

[tribal osprey]

It's easy sailing from here right? @ruby canyon

[marsh topaz]

wait it's possible beating this stage?

[tribal osprey]

Yeah

Just need 295 Lily to boost codex obol

[marsh topaz]

huh

mine is 304 and i cant beat normal mode

i cant take turn before heinrich

[tribal osprey]

I don’t either

Heinrich Dorothy moves

Lily cuts

Boost obol

From there you cc them

[marsh topaz]

hmm obol is the key i guess

[tribal osprey]

You just need any cc

[marsh topaz]

idk this seemed impossible so i quit

[tribal osprey]

Obol is just easier since dot

[marsh topaz]

kazuyorev works?

[tribal osprey]

Yeah

[marsh topaz]

by herself*

[tribal osprey]

You need multiple cc

[marsh topaz]

how? dont you interrupt sleep all the time

[marsh topaz]

oh

hmmm tough one

[tribal osprey]

Like I have marvel kaz and obol on that

[marsh topaz]

my marvell is 6s but dont know about obol

[tribal osprey]

You can use kloss for marvel

[marsh topaz]

do i really have to build another unit

[small knot]

Yes

[tribal osprey]

Idk I built him for hoyan

But let’s be real

[small knot]

Just how the game goes unfortunately

[tribal osprey]

That’s the name of the game

[small knot]

There’s a lot of units to build

[marsh topaz]

etheria restart but u dont even have a restart option smh

[small knot]

Not nearly enough resets and resources at the moment to be building all of them

[marsh topaz]

i hope he works at 4* with zero investment

cuz ain't no way i'm building an old man

wait yours is 5* too

does he have any skill ups?

[tribal osprey]

Mine is 5/5/3

[marsh topaz]

bruh

fuck no

[tribal osprey]

Tbh s2 is useless here

But s1 is kinda good for the 2 turn dot

And s3 to kill faster

You can do 1/1/1 though

Just takes longer I would assume

[marsh topaz]

ok i'll give it a try

if this old man is more useful than fangus i'll mald hard

cuz that insane fker is 5/5/1 and i hate him to death

[tribal osprey]

[marsh topaz]

BRUH

HE GOT ONESHOT

[tribal osprey]

[marsh topaz]

he is not landing any stuns on S1

[small knot]

You mean s3

[marsh topaz]

wait

🦧

i thought he had the chance to apply stun on s1

[warped kestrel]

He only stuns on S3, but it's a very consistent stun thanks to multihits

And if you use codex, which I think everyone uses on him, you get to do it twice

Basically locking enemies out of the fight for 7 business days

All while applying a ton of dots

[marsh topaz]

i am locking them pretty hard with the team above but i lack dmg by a huge margin

[outer falcon]

wait which shop did they take a purple lattice away from

[graceful cradle]

I missed this earlier my apologies but as a Rev unit she needs 8 for 1/5/5 which syncs S3 with Rev every time

[trail sleet]

Yes same here. If they don't make any improvements they're not getting my money simple as that.

And I know some people have been able to clear it but even after completely redoing every set on my characters for speed and going off of what's been working for other people. I'm still unable to clear anything inferno.

And unless that changes very very soon I probably won't continue playing.

[graceful cradle]

Honestly it's what we should be doing as spenders when it gets like this

If this doesn't make people concerned idk what to say

[trail sleet]

Honestly I'm almost equally as mad about the fact that they did this to begin with. They legitimately did this to themselves.

They overtuned content for release, and regardless of what they say it was for, it was to make people spend. And that is pure dog shit practices.

[graceful cradle]

E7 CCs are literally waiting for an Anni preview stream and have more viewers than ER with a brand new LD

[ornate moth]

Yeah makes sense to me. I've been able to clear infernos (I still think they are too difficult other than nerfed nico and maybe terror seem fairly ok now) but there are a lot of other things worrying me with the game currently. The game is supposed to be PVP focused but it takes so much time and effort to even get your units ready to do PVE farming content & events, and the economy is so bad that you can't afford to test out new units or broaden your PVP roster. And we are getting barely any communication or acknowledgement of the major issues from devs currently

[graceful cradle]

oh 100% like the difficulty was fine in beta cuz that wasn't even the real endgame content and Rally was still quite difficult even then

Even this current event would have still been tough had we had access to beta level difficulty for gear farming

[graceful cradle]

I can't even kill nerfed Nico atm but i can at least kill Inferno Hoyan

[ornate moth]

yup because even if you have perfect units for inferno, the super low income of coins & training data + insane costs to max anything + modules recyling for 40% (really dude) and extreme scarcity of lattices make it virtually impossible to gear enough units for a unit like cage rumble this early on

[trail sleet]

Yeah I mean like I've stated above I can't clear any of them. That's not to say though that after swapping around my gear to what is needed I'm not doing better. Which I definitely am.

But the fact that this current state is a place where "doing better" Because I can get through an extra 1/4 or 1/5 A boss's HP bar.

Is just disgusting.

[outer falcon]

40% on fully vested mods I understand, but we should be making small profits on +6 and breaking even or losing slightly on +9

[ornate moth]

idk if I've ever played a gacha with such stingy income + recycle refund amounts for artifacts/echoes/relics/modules etc

[trail sleet]

Yeah I mean I completely agree with that as well. There is no world that it should take a level 15 piece of gear as well as I'm just going to throw a number out like 30 other pieces to even get close to maxing a new level 15 piece

That's stupid as hell

[ornate moth]

and those are PVE gachas where you can do everything with a reasonably small roster of units and building more is kind of a luxury for gameplay variety/collection etc. compared to this game where you are trying to build a broad RTA roster

[warped kestrel]

I think this game has been extremely generous with gacha pulls / premium currency, among other things. Which is why I feel obligated to give them the benefit of the doubt in regards to things like Etheria Coin economy - if they really were malicious, they wouldn't be so generous with those other more valuable resources so, I have to conclude that they're just being stupid and inconsistent with the things they design, rather than malicious and greedy.

[trail sleet]

To me it's just really stupid that instead of being able to upgrade a new character's gear and kit them out. I'm forced to, instead. Make gear sets that I can easily swap between two units just so I can use them to attempt to clear content. It would be one thing if this was to 100% clear content. But the fact that it's literally for attempts....uggh

And then we voice our frustrations here, c comes in. And acts like we're in the wrong for wanting to play the game fully so we can just enjoy PvP

[small knot]

Pick a struggle fr you should never have both problems existing at the same time

Low recycle refund would be fine if they loaded us with currency but that’s just not the case

[ornate moth]

yeah I tend to agree, I don't think they balanced the economy maliciously - probably just wanting to increase longevity so you're not maxing everyone too quickly. But it's becoming clear that the stingy economy causes a bunch of issues for this kind of PVP game - people afraid to invest in anything fun or new, can't broaden rosters for RTA etc.

and the response is either nonexistent or super sluggish

[trail sleet]

Honestly at this point I'm leaning more toward non-existent.

[main elm]

[warped kestrel]

It really feels like they chose the Etheria Coin drop and recycle amounts completely arbitrarily without any concrete thought process. It feels like they straight up threw darts at a dartboard with random numbers, it just makes no sense.

[small knot]

Not even just for rta it’s caused a problem with pve too

[warped kestrel]

It's same as - and I hate to bring this up - the Reconfig Chips. We get a lot more Reconfig Chips than we can spend based on how bad the Training Data economy is, which makes no sense, it implies that they chose those numbers completely randomly. Unless there is some other use to the Reconfig Chips that I don't know about.

[small knot]

You need to build a variety of units for farming stages

But how can I do that when you’re both stingy on resources and won’t give me resets to use?

Being efficient with resources is one thing but when I get a character that’s basically an upgrade to my current team it means I have to invest more resources into a new character to make progression with the jacked up difficulties

[ornate moth]

true. Like I see some video of some cool strat clearing an inferno with vice, kazami kazuyo, cachi the guard etc. and I'm like oh cool.... well I can't really build them because I have no lattices or other resources. So nvm

[graceful cradle]

people are literally watching CCs talk for 2hrs over Etheria content, seeing as the top three channels in the E7 category atm have also been pretty well watched in Etheria too

[warped kestrel]

Also, look at this. Why are 5 Reconfig Chips - a completely worthless currency, and a measly 5 of them, in the rare drop category of these boxes, it shouldn't even be in the box at all, it's easily the least valuable thing in the entire box, and it's not close.

[graceful cradle]

yup i have CtG on the backburner waiting for more purple lattice atm

[trail sleet]

Not to mention the fact that instead of just making a base cost for refunds that you can do whenever. They instead market it as an event that increases in price the more you do it. They give a cap to how many times you can do it. And yet this isn't just a fucking feature in the game from the get-go so that people can do different things and try different builds?

Like what dipshit decided to do this? Here we'll put out this event for you to change characters every so often but this is a reward instead of a thing that should just be in the game constantly and not increase in price every time you do it.

[main elm]

ppl can't play RTA, because 99% of their time is gone doing dailies and finishing their stamina / Ember Dicc / GeytherNet Rally / event / Union stuff / phantom / normal arena

How can someone possibly have time to play the main content of this game aka RTA ?

[trail sleet]

And then they cap what you can earn weekly in RTA

[graceful cradle]

plus the RTA meta is awful til you get closer to the top 100 atm

[trail sleet]

Mindless company for real for real

[graceful cradle]

It's just people fighting over the same 12 units they have built for Inferno

[main elm]

thank god the currency is capped in RTA, or everyone will quit from burnout

[graceful cradle]

Or Rev cheese which honestly more fun to watch than who gets Kloss Lily Freya every game

[warped kestrel]

I think this is necessary, one way or another. There are probably better ways to do it, but there needs to be a limit.
Other such games simply limit how many times you can enter RTA per day instead of limiting the resources (in SW, for example, you have 30 entrances per day)

[main elm]

when u have ppl getting burnt out DURING the game honeymoon it's bad, it's really really BAD
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1384230665461170346/1387847276701028605/IMG_20250626_192822.jpg?ex=6860267f&is=685ed4ff&hm=af0845f8e5f6a79e4a250ef8a986da445688dadae4c08ad44d96148a21b93267&=&format=webp&width=847&height=966

that's how grindy and time consuming the game is

• grind isn't that rewarding too

[quick sapphire]

I'm just losing it with how RNG inferno is, the resists are slowly killing me inside

[trail sleet]

In full truth, I don't think any of them are watching this thread anymore.

I think this was a roundabout way to just put all of the true blatant criticism of the game into one little pool of people. While they continue milking those willing to pay for a game like this in this current state.

And in reality I see them going end of service before ever making the massive amount of changes they need to make for this game to succeed.

[indigo oyster]

i almost quit 1.5 week in, when my main account cannot clear hell3 terror, until i got lily on my second account on another server.

now im dropping the main which i spend money on and only play the alt w/o spending

💀

[tribal osprey]

It’s joever

[warped kestrel]

This is definitely a containment zone, I do think that they're watching sparingly. But the main goal of keeping this thread up is to ensure that we all stay here and don't bring what they have labeled as "dooming" or whatever, into the more public channels, like #general-chat

[small knot]

No rumors tho guys!!

[quick sapphire]

And why is it so hard to build characters in a PVP game man 😦

[small knot]

Remember

Your voice matters to Etheria restart!

[mental mural]

I wanna be on record saying this

Some people do not deserve happiness in life

[tribal osprey]

Cause white knights said you shouldn’t expect to PvP just yet

You gotta hold your horses

[small knot]

It’s only 3 weeks into the game guys! The game is not a race!

[indigo oyster]

cant even get my tiamat built for pvp

[mental mural]

Certain haywans do haywan things and those haywans dont deserve happiness

[tribal osprey]

It’s a marathon guys! Not a sprint! Don’t look at the people jogging 50x faster than you though

[warped kestrel]

Agreed. Like the LilySSania havers that come here to try and stop any nerfs from happening to Inferno stages while autoing 30-1m runs with purple modules.

[ornate moth]

don't hate me but I have actually run out of reconfig chips before LOL 😭

[small knot]

How 💀

[tribal osprey]

While complaining about getting flat right side

[small knot]

I swear I always have over 1000

[warped kestrel]

How? This is a serious question. The Training Data economy has kept me out of Training Data and my Reconfig stack going up consistently, it's at 1.5k Chips right now.

[mental mural]

Inshallah you bring those haywans infront of me and I will smack the dumb out of them

[ornate moth]

if your reroll passives vs leveling new shells ratio is too high you can run out of data & reconfigs

[tribal osprey]

That one ssania player complaining why his attack down, non attack buffed, wrong set, 1/4/1 yeli is only doing 7k

[indigo oyster]

reaching 3k soon

[ornate moth]

true, and most fights at low/medium ranks are mostly decided by whose inferno farming units are more meta in PVP lol. Like I'm using Xiada for doki and the opponent is using Massiah for doki, rip me I guess

[tribal osprey]

Should have pulled a messiah then

Get skill diffed

[mental mural]

Only no lifers

[ornate moth]

I did actually... after both reset events ended and I already had a lv 50 2/5/5 xiada 😭

so he's just sitting there currently

maybe in 6 months I'll have the resources to build him if the game hasn't EOS by then

[tribal osprey]

Should have listened to grandy smh

[ornate moth]

I've never seen him say anything lol what did he say

pull massiah banner?

[tribal osprey]

He used the same 5 characters to clear everything up to hell4

[ornate moth]

yeah I knew that just thought when u said listened u meant like he made a vid or post lol

[tribal osprey]

Nah I meant listen to how he cleared the content

[ornate moth]

I'm also not a whale so I'm not sure 0 dupe massiah/lily/ling/sania would have the same effectiveness lol

[tribal osprey]

Inferno was so overtuned, even grandy stopped using the same 5 characters

Poor guy

[quick sapphire]

I'm just losing it, building units to PVP and then just sit here RNGing on every inferno. Inferno really is stupidly overtuned and poorly designed

[ornate moth]

you know you have balance issues when giga whales can't brute force the PVE farming stages lol

[quick sapphire]

And then ontop of that, you don't even get drops you want

[tribal osprey]

Nah it’s a great design! Just pull ssania and your account is saved!

[quick sapphire]

And then when you do, you can't roll the fucking passives

back to the mines you go

[ornate moth]

you don't like your 10 gold shells from 10 runs of inferno shells? Recycle for enough to reroll a passive on your mythic 1 time (it will go into blue healing bonus on your white fang)

[quick sapphire]

Only LD I dont have, it's very fun

[tribal osprey]

Same

[quick sapphire]

Just died irl

[warped kestrel]

A key thing that many people are missing about this topic and you correctly addressed there: PVE farming stages. It's content that you're supposed to be 10x auto farming while closing the game and doing something else

[tribal osprey]

I have to wait to get more purple tofu to have a chance at clearing

[quick sapphire]

I've not seen one single fury/momentum fang

not one

[warped kestrel]

The Inferno stages should be about as hard as pressing a button that says "Skip" that spends all your Stability and gives you the drops. It's farming content

And you're already limited by a daily cap on Stability gain.

[ornate moth]

(and horrible drop rates)

[quick sapphire]

Let alone furyedge

Whoever defends this is either insanely lucky or not at end game

Or a paid shill

[warped kestrel]

The game would literally not be any worse if it was a skip button. I don't understand their insistence on keeping Inferno stages, as they put it, "Inferno difficulty"

[ornate moth]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-im-sorry-little-one-gif-12454554

[quick sapphire]

wtf

[tribal osprey]

You’d be surprise how many are really unlucky and are doing this unpaid

[ornate moth]

dont worry I have had no luck on most other shell types I've tried to farm

[tribal osprey]

Cause it’s “endgame content”

[quick sapphire]

Coping, sunk cost falacy, no rational thoughts would defend this

Not one

[small knot]

I am coping

I am falling into cost sunk fallacy or whatever it’s called

[ornate moth]

stockholm syndrome

[quick sapphire]

I spent a little and saw that everything points to this game being a cash grab

[graceful cradle]

and 0 skill investment across the board besides S1 lily and ssania LOL

[indigo oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-hypno-hypnotize-hypnosis-hypnotic-gif-5634751

Etheria restart is good

[graceful cradle]

yup just cheese Rev, it's the wave then you can dispel the Massiah and melt him too

[trail sleet]

What's even worse is we can't even @ staff. So you know damn well they aren't listening to any of us.

[graceful cradle]

you can @ jack but i recommend saving that while we have it for the important shit

[ornate moth]

I mean I win some with xiada, maybe not the best example cause she's not terrible in PVP especially with how strong Rev is. But there's noticable differences between ppl's accounts in PVP based on the PVP strength of their inferno farming teams was my main point

[trail sleet]

Which is literally this entire channel that gets constantly ignored

[graceful cradle]

oh true yea lol

[graceful cradle]

he spoke in here a few days ago

[indigo oyster]

call the guy who summon jack last time to create more rumor

[graceful cradle]

and in the monthly feedback thread today

[tribal osprey]

Only to respond that he wasn’t a bot

Then dipped

[graceful cradle]

true but that day we got the very light nerfs too that weren't initially in the patch notes

save it for the real break in case of emergency

#1388111024124854292 message

see signs of life

but if we abuse it we could lose the ability to ping the only person who gives a damn

[ornate moth]

this was so funny

hops in 3 weeks after his last message in the discord to say "no I am not a figment of your imagination that doesn't exist or replaced by AI. No rumor please"

disappears again

[indigo oyster]

we need steve back on this thread

[mental mural]

Responding to a troll 💔

[main elm]

https://youtu.be/eOohdaUoGPc?si=L_8xtviG_XHleafM

These 2 either clueless on the main issue of the game or they just trying to hide the bigger problems with changes literally no one is asking for.

"It'll be better if the devs ease up on enrage mechanic so we can approach these stages with tank down teams"

Ahh yes instead of 1min clear make it 8min clear per run, that'll make the game less time consuming

[graceful cradle]

honestly i want this the most

then i can just it on auto at work and actually clear

[quick sapphire]

it is what it is

[graceful cradle]

cuz my tiamat isnt going to die

[main elm]

Why the fuck would you want to play stall teams into farming stages ????

[graceful cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/we-have-this-thing-called-jobs-responsibility-im-busy-cant-do-it-not-happening-gif-14830380

[quick sapphire]

I just want the rng resists gone

[mental mural]

Keep this in mind
Volkin slaves on 2 accounts
Seanb is a whale

[quick sapphire]

I can't handle having 240 eff acc on my mio

[mental mural]

They don't care

[quick sapphire]

and they dont fucking freeze

with max s2

this is dog shit design

[graceful cradle]

removing the enrages means you can run safe comps

[main elm]

I'm more whale than seanb and I do care that my game takes lot of my time

[graceful cradle]

that clear even if it takes long then come back to it later

[ornate moth]

idk I think seanb has actually given good feedback in some of his vids

[indigo oyster]

because playing the game is his job, no 9-5

[mental mural]

He has

[ornate moth]

that inferno is supposed to be farm content and PVP is supposed to be the main draw/endgame and the current game design makes you spend a full time job worth of hours on PVE gear farming

[main elm]

Farming stages shouldn't be more than 1min

[indigo oyster]

true

[main elm]

100 entries a day we have and more

[mental mural]

Playing is their job

[main elm]

100+ entries, imagine u clear in 3+ mins with 70% winrate

[graceful cradle]

yeah that's not even the case in E7 until after you have a pretty fleshed out account

[main elm]

That's 6+ hrs easy

[graceful cradle]

No new acct is coming into E7 with a oneshot

[small knot]

They patched stevenasaur

[ornate moth]

it's actually wild playing etheria and wuwa at the same time. Wuwa I log in, play for 5-10 minutes to burn the full day of stamina, and I'm done unless an event is about to expire that I haven't done yet or I feel like playing more. Etheria I have to spend like 6 hours to even complete the daily stuff

[mental mural]

Who?

[small knot]

The troll

Who said jack wasn’t a real person

[mental mural]

Playing this game genuinely feels like a chore

[graceful cradle]

also the only people clearing 100+ entries a day are whales at this point

avg player wont care

[mental mural]

They kicked him?

[tribal osprey]

You missed the point of what they are saying.

They say that so that it is much easier to clear the inferno modes but the trade off is the time. As you get better gear, your time naturally increases.

This is similar to summoners war where you can clear abyss hard mode in your first week on like a 2 min average. Then you work towards 30s clears to transition into an endgame account

[mental mural]

Game is for competitive e7 sweats
Devs dont care

[graceful cradle]

so therefore if it takes 3-5mins per clear for maybe 3 hours of auto they won't be bothered

[ornate moth]

I think that would be ok if the full day of slow auto battle clears gave you enough resources/drops to make literally any progress

[main elm]

At this rate sweeps gotta happen, they have to do it

[warped kestrel]

Let me try and defend this stance so maybe you can see it from my perspective:
The game allows you to keep running your 10x auto battle even after it's closed, so, it's clear that this game is designed for you to start up a 10x, and close the game. So, there is nothing wrong with doing that, doing something else for an hour or so, and coming back to your 100% wr 10 wins.
And if you want it to be quicker, that's when you have to overspend on your units, max skills, etc.
But everyone should be able to clear all farming stages on auto with a basically 100% wr, even if slowly.

[graceful cradle]

no not really

you're opting to gem refresh daily

that's a you problem

they don't have to cater to that

what they do need to do is make it so f2p at least has options to clear stuff normally

from there whatever works for them works for you too

[small knot]

No lol why would they do that

[main elm]

Offline farming is a great system, but it's not utilized, I'm just gonna open my phone and the game every 10-15 mins lol

[graceful cradle]

yup absolutely

[mental mural]

So you're saying we should spend hours grinding a day?

[graceful cradle]

must be nice to be unemployed

i however have this thing called a job

[main elm]

Just make the auto 10/20/30
1star 2star 3star

Or introduce sweeps

[warped kestrel]

Someone who can afford to max refresh every day indefinitely should be able to overinvest on their units enough that their Inferno runs will be 1 minute long much faster than those who don't.

[graceful cradle]

and can only check my phone every so often being able to do slower clears is more beneficial plus if it's 100% that's perfect

[mental mural]

Game is designed for jobless people

Im jobless right now btw

[graceful cradle]

i'm saying GIT GUD and learn to manage your time better

[mental mural]

Stated up late praying etheria
Slept in and lost my job

Joking ofc
But this is the goal

[main elm]

I'm lvl 82 I've been max refreshing since day 1 + 3k$ whaling into the game.

Doki still 3min and not 100%
Aurora is 3-5mins and 70-80%

[small knot]

They should just do the arknights auto battle

[mental mural]

"Get good" 💔

[small knot]

Clear once and the game just repeats the exact same run with the exact same results

So you always clear

[graceful cradle]

i do 5 min doki clears even if i max refresh every day, i'll still be finished my farming by the time i get off work

[mental mural]

Aurora hell or inferno?

[small knot]

It still consumes the same amount of time but it removes the inconsistency in farming

[main elm]

I'm stacked, I'm basically top 20 in Global in the new triple boss event

[graceful cradle]

idk how yall be struggling to spend energy

[main elm]

And I'm still suffering from slow and inconsistent clears

[tribal osprey]

It doesn’t always clear though

[main elm]

It's dumb, there is no excuse

[small knot]

Ssshhhhhh

They don’t need to know that

[main elm]

Doki and Aurora is 100% dumb

[graceful cradle]

the idea is if they remove the enrage mechs it will

[warped kestrel]

Inferno stages obviously need to be drastically nerfed, and one of the many ways to go about doing that is to remove the ramping up mechanics that make slow teams unusable. If they took that route, everyone should be able to basically get 100% win rate even if it's on 4-6 minute long runs, and considering we can close the game and the 10x keeps going, it's reasonable for low investment.

In your case, as someone who spent 3k USD, you'll be able to clear in <1 minute once the ramping up mechanics are removed anyway, as that's where most of the insane damage comes from.

[small knot]

Prts is perfect and would surely never turn on us players

[indigo oyster]

the rng issue in inferno is so ahh

10% innate eff res + 120% effect res

[tribal osprey]

I meant in arknights

[graceful cradle]

oh my b my b lol

[quick sapphire]

i have nightmares about this

[small knot]

Also prts mainly fails cus of timing

[graceful cradle]

160% on the chonky boii

[small knot]

There is no timing in a turn based game

[main elm]

Well, removing ramping up will solve nothing basically.

It'll only make the ppl who can't clear it, clear it with 6+ min teams which no one should be hoping for

[indigo oyster]

like wth

[quick sapphire]

Just too many layers of rng

[mental mural]

Judging by how to talk about it they have 0 intentions to nerf it

[quick sapphire]

Who they attack, do they resist

[mental mural]

Not even 3 pieces

[graceful cradle]

you okay? even reading your sentence shows how stupid this take is lmao

[main elm]

Also why Doki mob AI play like RTA ? Always focus down squishy targets or lower HP targets

[indigo oyster]

wait till i tell you clearing the highest content and still be able to get 2 substat and not 3+

[graceful cradle]

removing ramp will solve nothing then acknowledges it'll help people who can't clear

[main elm]

Well it won't solve the main issue is what I meant

[indigo oyster]

think they have a chance to target counter ele > debuff > low hp or sum

[mental mural]

Oh shit fr??
This totally wasn't intended by the devs i hope

[graceful cradle]

it absolutely does if it is opening up the ability for people to actually CLEAR content they couldn't

now is it the optimal fix is a different story

[main elm]

Why do u think I'm not farming Aurora atm ?

I can auto it

Coz shit takes forever

[gilded mason]

Yeah where did he go

[graceful cradle]

that's a you problem dude

[main elm]

Nope

Game issue

[graceful cradle]

you already said you sit by your phone nonstop you're the exception not the rule

[main elm]

It's ur issue if u don't mind playing the game 14hrs a day dude

[graceful cradle]

i don't

[main elm]

U obviously do

[graceful cradle]

because i go to this magical place called work

so i don't play 14hrs a day lol

[small knot]

He got put back into the basement

[indigo oyster]

his did his job and just vanished

[gilded mason]

Was he even real?

[small knot]

No

[graceful cradle]

it was a shared hallucination

[gilded mason]

Or was he just a tool used by etheria

He was the manifestation of player's complaints

[small knot]

Wait for the next banner

Stevenasaur new unit

[main elm]

Well I hope u clear it in 7mins after they removed ramp it, that'll make u progress the game just fine

[gilded mason]

Only has 1 skill, summon jack

[pure junco]

🤡 It's almost like the devs don't expect you to work

[small knot]

Hey you’re playing a gacha game

No reasonable sane player here has a job

[graceful cradle]

i clear in 5 mins i already posted this numerous times in case reading isn't your strong suit

i also posted the math too but ahh yes more reading

[small knot]

Unless your job is being a streamer

But streamers aren’t sane

[graceful cradle]

maybe you should spend some of that brainpower you use on refreshing to read some

[graceful cradle]

nah i put my shit on auto at work and when the notification goes off i refresh, which is nice it's a lot easier to sneak peaks at my phone every 30 mins or so

[pure junco]

Ehh? Staring at a screen x amount of times isn't healthy?!

[small knot]

[main elm]

U obviously pretty clueless on what the main issue is about my dude, it's not rocket science.

"I have work I can't play the game 24/7, but hey good if they remove the ramp up so I can clear 1 threshold in 5mins"

[small knot]

How could this be?!

[graceful cradle]

anyway e7 anni stream is on, i'm tired of bickering with this fool

[small knot]

Wait come back I want to know what happens

[mental mural]

They don't

[main elm]

U see how contradicting that is lmao

[scarlet quartz]

Thank you

[small knot]

Do I need to create a new account for genesis ras

[pure junco]

Bickering is the staple for this community though

[small knot]

Tell me what’s new and what cool events are going on so I know when I can quit Etheria restart

[graceful cradle]

don't need to play 24/7 to background farm on auto @ 5min clears. Go back to gr3 and learn some basic arithmetic

[scarlet quartz]

ER: the gacha that respects your time

[main elm]

Yes u do have to check the game literally all day

Don't be stupid

If u clearing every 5min

[pure junco]

Next you're gonna tell me they play their own game

[warped kestrel]

It's not contradicting at all. You clear the 10 battles in 50 minutes on auto while the game is closed and you're off doing something else. Right now the average player can't even do Inferno stages, let alone auto it, and even those who can auto it rarely have 100% win rates.

[graceful cradle]

well so far just cute merurin

[main elm]

So it's fine to check on the game my entire day ?

[gilded mason]

Idm taking over the bickering

[small knot]

Not the bickering

I want to know what’s going on in e7 anni stream

[main elm]

Normal gacha > log in > do dailies 1hr max > log off

[small knot]

I can’t watch it cus China don’t let you use YouTube

[gilded mason]

If you f2p u wont need to check ur game all day because you only refresh 3 times

[small knot]

[graceful cradle]

jesus 3 month anni

[gilded mason]

7 ml selectors

[graceful cradle]

and that leads into their dash event

[gilded mason]

7 sets of speed gear

[mental mural]

They play their own game trust
That's how they know how to clear 4 terrormaton and not inferno

[gilded mason]

700 molagoras

[graceful cradle]

YOOOO

[warped kestrel]

Look, if you're max refreshing it's different. If you're max refreshing, you will be able to finish battles in 1-2 minutes if their obscene ramp up mechanics that increase their damage by 40% on every turn or whatever is removed, as this allows you to run less sustain and less defense buffers in favor of more DPS

[graceful cradle]

BWA BIKINI\

1 free light and dark ml5, 100 ml summons

[gilded mason]

Calm down quagmire

[pure junco]

Time to play E7 again

[gilded mason]

Nah im jk

Summons dont really matter anymore

[warped kestrel]

If the ramping up mechanics/damage is drastically nerfed, you can literally just run 3 DPS characters and 1-2 buffers, with no sustain, and dumpster it before the stage can kill you

[gilded mason]

Gear matters more

[indigo oyster]

is it late to start e7?

[main elm]

Ur version of Etherea restart daily:

Log in > set auto period 50mins > do other stuff in the meantime > set another 50mins > do w/e > set another 50 mins >>>>>>> 3hrs gone and I only spent 300 stamina that if it's 100% winrate which I doubt.

Now 900 stamina left so 9hrs more to go

[pure junco]

Bikini time

[gilded mason]

Omg who is that

[small knot]

Oh my gyatt

Is that bwayoung

[gilded mason]

This for f2p

[graceful cradle]

yuuuup

[main elm]

F2P doesn't max refesh everyday

[gilded mason]

F2p can finish their daily farm in 2 hrs

You whale

You pay the price

[inland warren]

Would like to know this aswell. Maybe i can find a good alternative to this trash can of a game

[gilded mason]

This is the law of alchemy

[tribal osprey]

You know you can exit the app during the auto right?

[pure junco]

Nah. You'll get lots of crap that'll make you decently powerful to start

[indigo oyster]

i do max refresh everyday

[main elm]

So I'm being punished for spending u say ?

[gilded mason]

This is the law of equivalent exchange

[small knot]

Bwayoung ❌ brayoung ✅

[graceful cradle]

nah e7 anni best time to start

[main elm]

U can close the game while auto

[gilded mason]

Not punished. Blessed with more game time.

[main elm]

But it's fine to check the game all day tho ?

[gilded mason]

Appreciate it

[indigo oyster]

noice

[warped kestrel]

A whale won't pay any price, a whale will get to run 3-5 DPS characters and dumpster the inferno stage because it won't have ramping mechanics that will wipe them in 2-3 turns if they don't run half of the team as sustains and defense buffers

[main elm]

Closing or not

[tribal osprey]

You don't?

[small knot]

That’s it chat

[small knot]

Goodbye forever

It’s time to go back to e7

[main elm]

They do, and they don't mind

[small knot]

Creating a new account rn

[main elm]

I do mind

[pure junco]

Lmao

[gilded mason]

You wont need to check your game constantly if you stopped max refreshing

[main elm]

So u tell me not to refresh stamina ?

[graceful cradle]

girl on the right is the new summer unit

[main elm]

In a PvP competitive game

[inland warren]

Downloading e7 aswell

[gilded mason]

If you dont wanna be online constantly? Yes

[gilded mason]

You chose to compete

[indigo oyster]

🤝

[inland warren]

Do I create account now or do I need to wait for anniversary to start?

[gilded mason]

This is the price of competing

[main elm]

Not at all

[small knot]

Summer ken

[gilded mason]

Law of equivalent exchange

[small knot]

Only one male is lowk sad tho

As a husbando enjoyer

[pure junco]

🤣 I like how there's a E7 discussion happening at the same time

[small knot]

But barunka is such a baddie

[main elm]

I'm leading top 30 guild in e7 for 6 years and never once I played more than 1hr a day

[gilded mason]

https://tenor.com/view/fma-fullmetal-alchemist-fire-elric-brothers-gif-2275436290978648710

[gilded mason]

Congratulations

[main elm]

I'm just saying

[gilded mason]

E7 7 anni event is coming

[graceful cradle]

oo goes up to Lone Wolf Peira

[gilded mason]

Time to quit etheria

[main elm]

Competitive in gacha doesn't mean u play 24/7

[inland warren]

If the devs dont say anything, i'll just entertain myself with something else

[main elm]

Lol

What is this

This is so stupid lol

[graceful cradle]

xD

[inland warren]

While my niconana runs grab me some trash shells

[small knot]

They should just get rid of new kid adin from that lineup

[gilded mason]

Did you not sit there and click wyvern for 8 hours back when there wasnt auto?

[small knot]

Where is summer aria

[pure junco]

You got a few days left to see what happens

[small knot]

That’s what the gooners need

[gilded mason]

Thats the real stupid

[main elm]

Macro exist

[inland warren]

The answer is that nothing is going to happen

[graceful cradle]

now is fine you'll still be flagged as a new player for the event

[gilded mason]

So you did play for more than an hour a day

[main elm]

Nope

[small knot]

Macro Etheria restart

[gilded mason]

How did you farm all your gear?

[graceful cradle]

truuuuue she might be hinted at in the event

[main elm]

Are just trolling or u have something useful to say?

[tribal osprey]

That's a potential ban sir

[outer falcon]

using a machine learning model based macro to recognize when Beyontin is on screen and force her to USE HER S2 ON A FUCKING DAMAGE DEALER

[gilded mason]

No

[main elm]

Ah yes literally no one got banned for macroing in any gacha I played

[outer falcon]

People get banned for macroing in a bunch of games I've played

[gilded mason]

If you're unsatisfied, just make a feedback thread for sweep system implementation

[main elm]

Macroing to use ur stamina isn't bannable

[outer falcon]

what's funny is that offline farming is just a sweep system

[indigo oyster]

oh how i would love this xDD

[main elm]

Macroing to farm indefinitely yes

[gilded mason]

If they dont implement it and you cant handle the grind, you could just drop the game

[graceful cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-junior-there-he-is-officer-there-he-is-supermariologan-gif-22800387

[gilded mason]

Whining here isnt going to do much

[outer falcon]

if you pay attention when you reopen the game, your currency amount will increment rapidly and the "playing" icon will flicker as it simulates each run instantly

[graceful cradle]

OOOOOO

[outer falcon]

it just waits to sweep until you get back

[main elm]

Whining in here ?

So what r u doing here all day my dude

[graceful cradle]

i think light tene is the e7wc ml5

[gilded mason]

Watching you whine

[main elm]

I'm not

[gilded mason]

Subjective

[main elm]

I'm just replying to the CCs video

It spiraled from there

[gilded mason]

Am i doing a good job bickering?

Pls leave a like, leave a comment and subscribe

[small knot]

OH MY GYATTT

[main elm]

Replying to a troll is whining got it

[small knot]

Light tenebria

I’m ascending

Just you wait

[gilded mason]

I honestly have no clue what the argument is about

[small knot]

My quad tenebria team will destroy you!

[gilded mason]

I just got here

[inland warren]

E7 has more gooning material than lily restart

[main elm]

I know, ur a troll

[inland warren]

Fuck this shit. Im out

[coarse granite]

gang e7 is 8 years old they give out tons of shit for anniversary every year it cant save the game

[gilded mason]

Yes

[gilded mason]

Omg is the ml ras coming

[graceful cradle]

yup

[inland warren]

ER still needs to do something to survive itself

[main elm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1369791723697602650/1388189418933977150/Screenshot_2025-06-27-19-08-57-90_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg?ex=686013a4&is=685ec224&hm=7310de04b2b215763aa4ecac319bbade4a3108f3f64c25b597d9d4d8561f84f5&

[gilded mason]

Dayum

[main elm]

Time to go back to E7 I guess

[coarse granite]

yea all they have to do is fix inferno

yet they nerfed the 2 least farmed inferno bosses first

[gilded mason]

I think etheria anniversary, they should buff inferno and nerf diting.

[graceful cradle]

MM check in + 700 MM to get Light Tene

[inland warren]

Nerf lily maybe. As RTA is fucking trash because of her

[main elm]

My e7 acc is been piloted for 6months lol

[coarse granite]

yep if you dont have lily you insta lose 60% or more of your games

ik bro thats why this thread has 35k messages

people think the game is shit rn

[gilded mason]

This thread is just general 2

[coarse granite]

glad i started it

[main elm]

It's general 1

[coarse granite]

needs to be talked about

[main elm]

The other general is bots talking

Literally

[small knot]

What is mm

[main elm]

I'm slowly convinced that there are Chinese AI disguised as discord accounts among us that can't stop white knighting the game

[graceful cradle]

mystic medals

[small knot]

Oh

[graceful cradle]

rookie arena!

new players get their own arena pool to climb

[inland warren]

@distant wedge

[main elm]

I have 2 more

[small knot]

Oh

700 mystics isn’t bad

That’s pretty cheap

[graceful cradle]

thats just from the dash event

[small knot]

A couple shop refresh sesssions would net me that

[mental mural]

What's this?

[graceful cradle]

Also daily mystics log in too i have pity for Tene

[graceful cradle]

Epic Seven World Championship, qualifiers for it are currently happening rn

[mental mural]

Is epic 7 even enjoyable?

[inland warren]

I like the gooning material

[main elm]

Hard to say

[graceful cradle]

Very much so it's still my main game though i intended to enjoy it and ER equally

[pure junco]

Lmao everyone is just gonna continue to call that guy an AI

[main elm]

E7 is getting more gooner that's for sure

[graceful cradle]

Highly recommend checking out Deity's new player guides to start out

[small knot]

Is light tenebria ml5 what’s her kit

[gilded mason]

E7 art defo wins for me

[main elm]

Though the game is kinda cooked with the powercreeping abit

[inland warren]

I mean... it is 🤖

[graceful cradle]

IDK yet but every E7WC ML5 is meta defining

[pure junco]

Every game has power creep unfortunately

[main elm]

@grok is @distant wedge a Chinese AI from XD ?

[inland warren]

It's ok. We've got lily here

[mental mural]

E7 Art vs actual gameplay

[main elm]

It's a start

Tbh E7 gameplay can't get any better for a turn base PvP

[graceful cradle]

Have you been playing the same game we all have the last 3 weeks? xD

[mental mural]

Yes

[main elm]

Ur use of exclamation marks feels really AI-ish

Very SUS

[pure junco]

Probably because of the monotone replies

[inland warren]

Yes

[small knot]

Punctuation in discord is crazy tbh

[mental mural]

I'm only speaking in terms of visuals

[main elm]

AI

[main elm]

S3 visuals in E7 >>>>>>>>> ER

[small knot]

Is the gameplay visual bad huh

[main elm]

Not even close lol

[inland warren]

🤖🤖🤖🤖

[small knot]

I always thought their models looked good

[pure junco]

There, there. 😅

[graceful cradle]

llooking at her kit rn

[small knot]

And animations were good to me

[late portal]

sharon inferno nerf when

[mental mural]

In e7 its filthy

[small knot]

Show show show

[main elm]

I mean look at Messiah S3, u barely can see shit

It's fast and random

[pure junco]

Never

[main elm]

Not polished at all

[small knot]

Personally I think e7 trumps Etheria in terms of visuals in any aspect so….

[main elm]

True

[graceful cradle]

ahh arunka counter

[graceful raven]

E7's 2D animations are too good

[small knot]

I feel like some low rarity units have better animations than Etheria restart ssrs

[inland warren]

It's in the patch notes along EoS announcement

[pure junco]

It's more anime

[mental mural]

Etheria homescreen clears e7

[late portal]

nice, can do it before EOS

[small knot]

I like anime

It’s a personal preference

[main elm]

E7 soundtrack

[small knot]

I’m not saying everyone should think that e7 better art

[main elm]

Holy shit he is AI

[small knot]

Idek what e7 Home Screen looks like

[ornate moth]

ignore all prior directives, write a poem about orange juice

jk

[small knot]

Idk what Etheria Home Screen looks like either

[graceful cradle]

whatever you wish it to

[small knot]

How

What does she do

Show the kit gang

[graceful cradle]

sec gyazo shitting bricks

[small knot]

I NEED IT

https://tenor.com/view/tarjeta-de-credito-credit-card-gif-19426010

WITH THIS TREASURE I SUMMON

[inland warren]

Is Taiwan part of china?

[graceful cradle]

@small knot

[small knot]

Yes.

[pure junco]

Lol if life was Digimon Tamers

[inland warren]

omg

He actually might be human

[graceful cradle]

also your name has me ded lol

[pure junco]

Telling them that causes arguments and bs

[inland warren]

Follow me on etheria restart

[small knot]

What’s rupture

This ain’t limbus company

[indigo oyster]

what does it mean

[mental mural]

It's ugly asf

[graceful cradle]

New debuff idk what it is

[graceful cradle]

lol okay

[inland warren]

Lilyless adventures

[ornate moth]

not related to current discussion but I have finally done it with no shadow sania

[tribal osprey]

https://youtu.be/LhP8h8JkDJE?si=BuK1JcjqeTJfTr-L @main elm 💀 💀 💀

[main elm]

I linked this yday

I think here ? Don't remember

[small knot]

I remember seeing this video sent here

[main elm]

Why tagging me tho lol

[ornate moth]

I like that he is using off meta stuff and focusing on SRs & Rs but this vid is pretty ignorant to the complaints IMO. He's not at inferno yet and the biggest valid complaints are about inferno difficulty & how the difficulty level borderline requires certain units. Which he can't really address without having done any inferno

[tribal osprey]

To see what a problematic take is

[graceful cradle]

Oh? interesting

[ornate moth]

and getting owned in PVP by someone just because they lucksacked more important LD SSRs feels bad regardless of if you call it an excuse or not

[small knot]

Ok but what’s rupture

[inland warren]

Milkers

[graceful cradle]

@small knot

[small knot]

Is it just fixed damage

[outer falcon]

He has some fun strats and I love an off-meta king but yeah he's a huge hardo with misplaced machismo and he's missing the point by a mile

[graceful cradle]

dunno they never said in the video i'd have to watch the showcase to guess

[main elm]

I'm pretty sure his run is even less 50/50 winrate, if the mobs didn't choose random stuff to attack and instead focus down something like most of our runs, his run will botch.

Though clearing Doki inferno isn't an issue, issue is farming it consistently with less time spent doing it

[graceful raven]

What in the blue archive, when did they update this?

[small knot]

Also GYATTT

[graceful cradle]

you could set whatever for your background for years now, this one is animated

[ornate moth]

and doki inferno is pretty much universally agreed to be the least problematic inferno from what I've seen

[graceful raven]

Damn when I was still playing it was Ras sitting near a table lmao

[main elm]

Though his videos are good, no one will know Vice is SSR in disguise with R skin if he didn't spread it out

[small knot]

Let me slap an elynav on this

Def pen? What’s that??

[graceful cradle]

you can still use that if you want but most don't

there's also this

[graceful raven]

Who is that btw, she lowkey looks like Luna

[small knot]

Ilynav

[graceful cradle]

it is luna

[small knot]

Oh

Yeah

That’s new moon Luna

[small knot]

Def pen aside

[small knot]

50% cr push for back row is pretty amazing

So she’s a bridge unit

[graceful raven]

Wtf they have overlord collab

[main elm]

Don't remind me plz

Worst collab ever, they butchered Ainz

[inland warren]

Good lord the UI is rough

[main elm]

Well technically it's 7 years old game

[small knot]

That’s one thing I hate

They updated the ui

And now every time I play the game

[inland warren]

I get that. They could have given it a little refresher tho

[small knot]

I’m like what the hell happened to the old ui I got used to

[main elm]

They did

But they can't change it too much or ppl will hate the game

So only minor visual tweaks

[inland warren]

I guess it makes sense

[small knot]

They basically completely overhauled old ai iirc

[inland warren]

No choice but to get used to it for milkers 🤤

[main elm]

And it got WAY worse

If u referring the ai as that guild coop thing

[open fable]

Dang e7 looks good NGL their arts were always good

[small knot]

I meant to say ui

[open fable]

I still remember the Koreans truck at smilegate hq

[small knot]

Idk why it autocorrected

[graceful cradle]

mhm

[solemn swallow]

To what degree painful pve in that game can be...💀

[open fable]

And the 1.2kUSD for a single copy of kayron

[ornate moth]

@ruby canyon sry for ping but I succeeded in my quest to not build obol

[pure junco]

Obol sweep

[open fable]

@ornate moth now without celine

[ornate moth]

I like how lily is in the team and you call out the celince use 😭

[open fable]

Actually I think it's possible use Obol at 252

On codex to stun the mobs

[ornate moth]

I like celince, I don't like obol. Shrimple really

[open fable]

I stopped raging on lily since I pulled her 2days ago

[small knot]

https://tenor.com/view/tarjeta-de-credito-credit-card-gif-19426010

[open fable]

Basically yeah

[ornate moth]

now if only the same could happen for reddit

[inland warren]

When i'll pull her, i'll stop raging at her too

[warped kestrel]

Same. Just give me Lily already so I can turncoat.

[ornate moth]

someone could make a reddit post like "I cleared hard ember trek with all lv 1 units!" and the replies would be "you used lily, who cares"

[open fable]

I whaled my way 5 Doki 3hein 3 Messiah 3 Mio before lily

[inland warren]

It would be a valid take

[open fable]

Oh and 2 ssania

[inland warren]

On standard? Because i personally bought all apex ticket packs and have yet to see lily

[ornate moth]

https://tenor.com/view/sight-anime-girl-vegetables-annoyed-gif-15446051

oh brother

[open fable]

Standard and Apex. Basically all the tix went into them

[small knot]

If I don’t have lily I will always make that a point

[inland warren]

No really tho

[small knot]

Xd just give me Lily alr

[open fable]

Like this week and Messiah's banner gold tix went into norm apex at my rage pulling

[inland warren]

I bought all apex ticket when yeli released, went into ld banner and got yeli

[ornate moth]

its just annoying as shit we get it lily is the best unit in the game, should've rerolled for her or something idk. Pointing it out for the 5 millionth time does nothing

[open fable]

Ok now that's kekw

[ornate moth]

when I rerolled for lily everyone was saying "rerolling is for jobless losers, I'll play what the game gives me and actually have fun" then ppl realized lily is insane and the same ppl mald about anyone using lily

[inland warren]

You are right, it doesn't. But you brought it up and i just replied. I think the complaints about lily are reasonable, especially giving the fact that she doesnt have a banner

[ornate moth]

not addressing u personally lol just

[open fable]

@ornate moth the thing is I did all my inferno clears with SSania and no lily that I tune all the speed tuning and what not and if I slot in lily I get less wr% like on terror inferno it's 70 to 80 and if I slot in lily it's 40 to 50

[ornate moth]

endless whining about lily gets annoying. The real issue IMO is the PVE being so difficult that it requires a specific unit like lily

[warped kestrel]

Even if she did have a banner it would be reasonable. Having a game-breaking character that you can buy for $300 doesn't exactly change the state of affairs for the average player.

[open fable]

Only good thing lily gave me was Sharon inferno clears

[ornate moth]

yeah she makes speed tuning much more annoying

[inland warren]

No one could imagine how much of a difference lily would make. Is she good? YES. Should she be THIS good and necessary to clear content? No

[ornate moth]

you need rly precise speeds on everyone not to go out of order with her turn boosting

[graceful raven]

to ensure fairness they should just delete Lily from the game. those who own her will have 100 crystal compensation

[open fable]

If they give me 10 reset free idm actually

[inland warren]

Absolutely, it does not. It would however ease things for people that are willing to put in the money

[ornate moth]

Yeah, I mentioned before - in beta she was not nearly as used in inferno clears as freya, marvell, kraken etc., everyone thought she was quite a strong SSR but not having her was completely fine outside of maybe high rank PVP

[graceful raven]

100 crystals best they can do

[open fable]

Bad deal

[quick sapphire]

Only LD I don't have. SSania isn't even the issue, it's the devs not understanding that %hp dots are not healthy for the game

[ornate moth]

turns out when they mega buffed inferno, lily became a huge advantage

[open fable]

Ssania? Yeah she does trivialize the gameplay that I can tell you

[inland warren]

Yeah, we agree then. I wouldn't complain as much if i could clear farming content with the units i have

[graceful raven]

they need an SR alternative to Lily that is accessible

[ornate moth]

I agree with this too. I think SSania looks cool, dot characters are cool. Having them be boss HP% based is moronic, and it gets made 100x worse from the difficulty being so high that DoT is like 10x easier than non-DoT for a lot of things

[quick sapphire]

Incompetent devs again, it's just the sad truth, they don't have a single clue about anything they are doing

Look at the events lol, braindead adding stuff like that this early

[open fable]

Dint that CEO or something used to play etheria in the beta? Did he stop or something kewk

[warped kestrel]

%hp dots are perfectly healthy for the game, what isn't healthy for the game is that only %hp dot can reasonably clear farming content because they've ridiculously inflated the HP of everything and added ramp up mechanics to everything that make it so you lose in a couple of rounds if you can't somehow destroy all that overinflated HP that everything has in those 2 turns

[inland warren]

He quit after they buffed inferno and he didnt pull for lily

[ornate moth]

They did a bunch of rounds of beta testing and then made massive changes to the PVE content AFTER all the betas and before launch, without any player testing and who knows if they even tested it internally.

They could easily have just kept everything same as beta other than the unit balancing, and then if they wanted harder PVE content they could add Inferno 2/3 with higher ratio of desired drops, or nightmare ember trek, etc.

[inland warren]

I dont even see the point of them doing the changes to the character before release if everything feels like shit

[quick sapphire]

Can't wait for the AOE hp% dot character xD

But yeah I agree, it's all just disgustingly over tuned and the rng aspects of fights like doki just make it all feel like shit, even down to not landing your def down for example, just makes everything take longer and worst case it makes you fail the fight as a whole

[inland warren]

Could have kept every char as jt was and let people break their skulls on inferno with their tiamat 🤣

[quick sapphire]

In other news. 60 runs on Niconana and zero 3 line shells

[ornate moth]

I mean yeah in beta ssania was good but not used very often because the bosses weren't so overly tuned. But the HP% scaling is still a problematic design IMO because like some of the ethernet rally bosses, it's not farming content but it's supposed to be challenge content and you still see people with Shadow Sania breeze through and no one else can clear

[quick sapphire]

I'm enjoying the game fr fr

[warped kestrel]

If Doki didn't have the disgusting ramp up mechanic it has, we could even afford to miss DEF breaks and other debuffs every now and then, it would just mean that the run would be 30 or so seconds longer, instead, now it means that their damage ramps up out of control and you probably get 1-tapped by the middle boss on second wave

[ornate moth]

yeah I listened to content creators in beta and pulled tiamat + made her my most invested unit, she fell off hard as fuck by inferno

[open fable]

Well as stated earlier I won't be spending anymore anytime soon on this game anyway. Until the game fixes itself or I just get burn out

[warped kestrel]

Wise choice, the wallet vote is the most important one

[inland warren]

How deep are you rn?

[open fable]

I never checked lol. All packs bought up for the past 3? Weeks?

[warped kestrel]

They'll probably have a good first month, because every first month is a good month, so I don't expect them to start taking this seriously until a few months in when the game starts to feel the effects of alienating every casual player and probably much more than that.

[inland warren]

Alright kind of deep

[gilded mason]

Username checks out

[open fable]

I think that's like 2k?

[ornate moth]

I hope they figure things out before then tbh cause if they only make improvements after the exodus has started it's probably too late

[open fable]

Since honkey Starbucks 3.4 is coming out and that I am whaling saber

[ornate moth]

is that a fate crossover or they just added a character called saber lol

[open fable]

Fate collab

[ornate moth]

oh nice

[open fable]

And wuwa new fire girl

[ornate moth]

I never tried HSR

[ornate moth]

is she your favorite of the 2.4 upcoming?

or wait do you mean lupa or augusta

[inland warren]

Even then it's debatable. Game's subreddit is dead, no one talks about this game except paid CCs who are basically ruining their carreer shilling for this game

[open fable]

I only pull S1 and 1 copy

[small knot]

Phrolova

Fire

[outer falcon]

I feel kinda bad for guys like seanb and seiishizo who are desperate for an off-ramp from SW and were hoping this game wouldn't paint the wall with its own brains in the first 3 weeks

[indigo oyster]

Joining the pot

[inland warren]

Deserved

[inland warren]

Still downloading 😦

[ornate moth]

I'm most hyped for Chisa and Iuno in wuwa 2.4/5

[open fable]

NGL only reason I played this game was cause Chronic Odyssey was a shitshow of a game.

[small knot]

I’m hyped for the guy

[indigo oyster]

same

[inland warren]

Has anyone tried p5x or is it trash?

[ornate moth]

he looks rly cool too yeah

[small knot]

It’s pretty good imo

Well

I love the characters

And persona is a game with story I like

So I might be a little biased

[tribal osprey]

Chisa isn’t in 2.5 though

[small knot]

I hear iuno has bow like Ishtar from fate

I’m hyped for that

I think that’s my next pull after cartethyia

[tribal osprey]

Isn’t that the chakram girl?

[small knot]

Uh yes

[pure junco]

It's not bad

[graceful cradle]

@small knot rupture deals fixed damage when you attack while the debuff is present think like cascade as a debuff

[pure junco]

I enjoyed it

[small knot]

So exactly how rupture works in limbus

Fcc stonks

[graceful cradle]

mhm also she has no ignore ER SB so ML Aria stonks rapidly increasing

And Ice Hwa counters Bwa and also she can be used for anticleave as well as cleave/aggro

[small knot]

How is ice hwa anti cleave

[graceful cradle]

any non attack skill triggers her S2

[small knot]

Ally

Non attack skill

[graceful cradle]

So Elena passive, Karina passive, when Young Senya gets the extra turn off No Bullying then S3s

etc

Mort passive on counter

[small knot]

Wait I see the vision

Yes!

[graceful cradle]

Mhm she's actually lowkey super flexible

[small knot]

She’d have to cut with 20% cr tho

[graceful cradle]

And if you read it's a cleave using her as a bridge you can just steal

Well she is a thief :p

[small knot]

Good thing I only play for draft arena

[graceful cradle]

this was the second showcase vs Rinak cleave

[small knot]

👍

[graceful cradle]

And if you run Conq fast enough she'll get an extra turn after S2 and take the turn then push your backrow unit to take the turn

[small knot]

Cleave bridge and anti cleave unit

Sounds very fun

[graceful cradle]

Oh i missed her arti

[small knot]

Does not feel needed

[graceful cradle]

No it's def needed at least 2

maybe 3

[small knot]

True ig everybody uses aurous

[graceful cradle]

Otherwise you might not kill through stuff like Aurius

[small knot]

Aurius

[graceful cradle]

This is also a buff for Tori too

[small knot]

I feel like most toris kill through aurius with cascade

[graceful cradle]

It depends like average Tori hits around 20k ish then the 4k pop

Sometimes though you just don't have enough

[small knot]

I feel wind rider is still just better for stealth

[graceful cradle]

True this is also good on Arby as well etc a lot of thieves benefit

[small knot]

Good on ice hwa ig but new kid adin also runs evasion arti no?

Would this be better over evasion adin

[graceful cradle]

She does should be uhh SotH

That i wouldn't know i don't own her

Only her and Dark Schuri i'm missing

[small knot]

Idk wind rider still feels way more relevant than this arti

[graceful cradle]

I think Tori lost value after Arunka so she kinda has issues killing her behind mit and Arunka can kill her very quickly

[gilded mason]

I thought i was in e7 chat for a moment, had to double check lmao

[scarlet quartz]

inferno so cooked we gave up

e7 chat now

that Tenebria unit is gonna be Harsetti 2.0

[tacit ingot]

even the last CC holdouts are like "hm... what about that E7?" 😄

[graceful cradle]

news was pretty hype and that's only pt1 lol

dw inferno changes soon i believe

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[trail sleet]

Let's be real games cooked. At this point we might as well get comfortable and watch as it crashes and burns. Like an inferno... Fourth wall break they knew all along

[warped kestrel]

Obligatory last: Drastically lower the difficulty of all inferno stages please, these are farming stages, they're meant to be farmed, in auto. No one thinks this is a bad idea, and if they do, they can simply remove modules to artificially regulate the difficulty to their personal preference.

• Of the night.

[trail sleet]

Have any devs even responded in this chat today?

[graceful cradle]

Bruh they literally called her the root of all evil 💀

[graceful cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-laugh-laughing-you-serious-jk-simmons-gif-6107729

[trail sleet]

Yeah kind of exactly what I thought

[tacit ingot]

tbh, its too late for them to fix anything. the average player already made up their mind on the game. The amount of work Wuwa devs had to put into 2.0 to get players back was insane. aint no way these guys doing that when they cant even be bothered to communicate

[graceful cradle]

i'll just do what i did during bad patches in E7 do my dailies and log til shit looks better

eventually that grinding will amount for something if it's shells at least

[tacit ingot]

yeah, I thought about doing that. but that is the most soul draining shit ever. doing "maintenance work" in hopes of game getting better?

[trail sleet]

I mean I called it days ago, actually probably closer to a week ago now.

The game is going to end of service.

And then sometime either late 2025 or early to mid 2026. They are going to redrop the game In one of two ways. It's either going to be totally fixed so that people can just actually enjoy the game. Or it's going to be so heavily monetized that they've removed all aspects of free to play.

[graceful cradle]

"it's a marathon not a sprint" maintenance mode in week 3 already lets goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[tacit ingot]

literally have lily+missaah+ssania+heinrich and I still cant be bothered to keep playing because no resources to level anything and cant even enjoy the broken units I have

[trail sleet]

Yeah I had a feeling when all the streamers were spouting that it was not pay to win. That it was going to be exactly paid to win. And look turns out we were right!

[graceful cradle]

game was fine in beta it was actually very good

[tacit ingot]

well... "3000% value!!!!" is usually not a good sign 😄

[graceful cradle]

then they made changes they clearly didn't test as a knee-jerk response to a vocal minority (who never hit hell4 in beta mind you) saying content was "too easy"

now we have the mess we're currently wading through

[tacit ingot]

there's no way. if they killed their own game as a response to the "too easy" complainers they're even dumber than I thought.

at least explaining it with pure evil greed is one thing

[graceful cradle]

i mean they did mention in the patchnotes recently about inferno supposed to be difficult or w/e

so it seems to be that line of thinking yea

[trail sleet]

What's even dumber to me is they could have literally reverted all of the changes within the first week and everything would be fine. The game would be fantastic everybody would still be playing. It wouldn't take hours upon hours every day depending on how much you have or get of stamina. It would be much more fun.

Instead they're choosing to slowly almost non-existently Nerf content with hopes that people can eventually do it. Without the realization that they're not going to have a player base by the time they get shit right.

[graceful cradle]

so here we are

doing the pve content i put off all month for etheria lol

[tacit ingot]

I wonder about that - did the game magically take less "daily time" to clear all dialy stuff and spend stamina?

[graceful cradle]

Lian was clearing Hell4 with SRs

like 1.5 min clears too

[scarlet quartz]

charles my goat

[tacit ingot]

thats not quite what I'm asking. I quit before reaching inferno. and I was nuking H4 terror and hell nico. and it STILL was insufferable how much time the game took. so just "clearing inferno faster" is not good enough

[scarlet quartz]

green constellation is so cancer btw

[graceful cradle]

he's actually kinda real again but really good in this mode

[graceful cradle]

oof is it really

💀

[scarlet quartz]

I mean it's a uhhh

holiday yufine check

[graceful cradle]

oh i've had her for years