inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[tribal osprey]

oh geez

[scarlet quartz]

doesnt help that my niconana is only like 60-70ish success rate

[pure junco]

You could say, you are just getting "Etheria" Started

[scarlet quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bubble-sad-gif-9840505378859916279

[gilded mirage]

Beautiful piece

[scarlet quartz]

not as beautiful as you

[crude sparrow]

Anyone on global with spare green 3?

[tall flame]

OMG FINALLY

DURING YELI PULLS

[young zealot]

The goat

[gilded mason]

You know for sure devs are just plain incompetent when they can mess up their PACKS lol

[regal path]

i finally cleared inferno terror and got the #7 clear

[agile lodge]

Team?

[regal path]

hoyan diting beyo dinah hein

[agile lodge]

Ahh hoyan ditting build

That's strong

What's the % wr ?

[regal path]

yea, i was using it back when she first dropped bit with a sustain so it was buns, no sustain its fire

and like deadass 1% wr lmfao, but its only bc my beyo is too slow to buff first hoyan ult

i have to land every debuff and i barely clear it rn bc im missing that extra like 50k

[agile lodge]

Can fine tune. The good thing is we can clear now 🍻

[regal path]

yep yep, all i need is like a 260 spd beyo and i could auto it

im running literal golds on beyo rn tho smh

[stable dagger]

i feel at peace here 😇

no gen chat chaos

[warped stump]

264 is the speed to beat

[pure junco]

Packs? Try programming

[regal path]

bet tyty

[pure junco]

This game is missing some common features

[warped stump]

i feel like the game is improving at a relatively steady rate

they're just fumbling a fair bit in the process lmao

[pure junco]

Understandable. 🤣 It turned into a venting/comp help thread

[harsh zephyr]

Anyone got shadowflame hoyan inferno without ssania/lily/celince?

[warped stump]

i think celince is like near mandatory for it at this point

hard to deal with the adds otherwise and celince also offers a shield for safety

[harsh zephyr]

I see then I'm fucked, thank you

[pale jetty]

They vibe coding

AI forward programmer fresh of the streets

[pure junco]

Feels that way yeah

[gilded mason]

They should change their name to Fumble Games

[ornate moth]

maybe like obol kazuyo sania lingluo or something

[charred minnow]

XD games is perfect

Is the game offline for all of you

[regal path]

nah i just got #7 clear earlier with bum speed

[gilded mason]

They been fumbling their game since launch lmao

Theres more drama here than fkin netflix

[turbid ridge]

im convinced now that you guys suck at the game if you still cant make terror work

skill issue

[regal path]

they're fumbling bc they're listening to us when we're wrong half the time

[pure junco]

You'll be called a doomposter saying that

[ornate moth]

terror nerf was enough for me to be able to clear

with 5 star 0 lattice holden lol so the consistency isn’t amazing

[regal path]

everyone freaked out about the ssania nerf just to scream for more nerfs literal days later

[harsh zephyr]

I could clear with obol and stall, but it's not autoable and too much rng

[regal path]

my clear used like 2 red tuning i think

[ornate moth]

only thing left for me is hoyan

[pure junco]

You're at the place to spam your concern

[ornate moth]

I only had a low roll gold speed passive, had to steal a bunch of lily & other ppls gear and run everyone on weird scuffed sets just to get the tuning right

[warped stump]

lol what were you running for rengo inferno

slash are u consistently farming it or was it a one time

[hexed jay]

they want to be able to auto it in 10 seconds with level 1 non-invested units

[stable dagger]

atp I won't take the vocal majority of this community seriously

[warped stump]

yea terror is fine now but people want things to literally die by breathing on it

[ornate moth]

diting/lily/kloss/valerian, manual runs cause it fails for most of the elements the boss can start on lol

[warped stump]

oh thats fucked lol

[regal path]

yea, i cant even lie they had me convinced too, thought ssania was cooked then 2 days later shes the best unit in the game

[hexed jay]

and at the same time that will kill the game because there will be no challenge and no reason to login everyday

[stable dagger]

most of them haven't tried Ssania on beta and they think she only works on Aurora

[hexed jay]

Other pvp gacha have farming centered around it as well.

[clever hull]

People login to e7 every day for 7 years and the farming equivalent in that game (hunts) are literally 10-30 seconds auto runs

[ornate moth]

the issue is boss + adds starts a random element, so what unit the add will target with a silence is unpredictable and if u get hit with 2 turn silence on dps or important support it’s kinda cooked. Feels like lingluo/bulwark/cachi would be needed for reliable auto

[regal path]

real

[ornate moth]

or purifier like sania

[clever hull]

My issue with inferno Rengo as well lol

[hexed jay]

Yes, that's after they farmed gear for years. Definitely not on launch.

game is up btw

[ornate moth]

tbh even if they make farming not such a chore, the pvp focus will still have issues because it’s so expensive to build any new units to broaden your PVP roster or try weird strategies lol

[hexed jay]

But farming for gear has always been the end game for every gacha?

Look at genshin

Look at HSR

they're not even pvp games

but you login everyday to farm to get better gear

Yes and its the same thing here

[ornate moth]

yeah and it takes like 5-10 minutes to burn the entire days stamina and you don’t need some hyper specific units to beat the farming stage

[hexed jay]

you don't need perfect pieces

[clever hull]

What all have you cleared Dimi

[ornate moth]

plus those games being pvp kinda hurts your point. In this game the pvp is the endgame, that couldn’t be the endgame for a non-pvp game obviously

[hexed jay]

on what game

[clever hull]

E:R

[warped stump]

[languid basalt]

Money is so scarce

Upgrades are dumb expensive

Lets riot

[pure junco]

The more you argue, the more they'll tell you guys to git gud, just walk away

[warped stump]

indeed, post terror nerf it is completely reasonable content

[hexed jay]

My holden without S1 maxed for speed. All gear was from x2 event farming Hell 4 doki

[warped stump]

especially if you pulled for holden like a lot of people did just cause he was shiny and new lol

[scarlet quartz]

eh I still feel it's a bit of a unit check

[ornate moth]

I think there’s only 1 piece with more than 10 speed, the +13 speed effect res evolguard piece lol. It’s just random stuff with like +7/+9, gold speed codex, 12 swiftrush

[warped stump]

yea early game is gonna be like this unfortunately until they expand the roster enough to give us overlap of roles

[scarlet quartz]

just run lily so holden gets the speed buff to outspeed boss

[quick sapphire]

AI dev team, it is what it is

I've never seen a game managed so poorly

[ornate moth]

well if u don’t have lily I don’t know if diting burst strat with codex holden works. May still need to do mia/cachi the guard/holden defense and artisan stacking strats

[quick sapphire]

A gacha that can't even take your money properly, like what.

[pure junco]

Nice Holden

[warped stump]

you'd need to run khloros or another giga nuker instead

but it's still doable

[hexed jay]

yeah that is very sus good thing I don't swipe

[quick sapphire]

At least I got a 26 second niconana clear before all this went down

[graceful juniper]

Wdym you cant outspeed the boss guys? Just spend those lattice for speed stats,we have lot of them
-dev

[scarlet quartz]

if u only have solo diting its kinda cooked

i would assume

[ornate moth]

no she still cards diting but if holden gets a speed buff halfway thru his turn meter, he is 1.3x speed for rest of turn progress and can get enough to move in front of the boss

[pure junco]

Maybe in two months

[quick sapphire]

I swipe a little, definitely not in this game anymore though, spent about 50 so far but yeah nah, they don't deserve any money for now

[warped stump]

like the old speed clear team of diting khloros dinah veronika freya is probably still decent

i'm thinking nowadays though it's probably doable with diting khloros dinah holden valerian

[hexed jay]

ye seeing thouse double chargebacks is pretty scary

[scarlet quartz]

I dont like Khloros cause people were coming in with the expectation of Lian being sufficient

[ornate moth]

holding off on swiping much unless I see some improvement with the direction of things

[warped stump]

especially if you go codex holden and dinah you should be able to just force khloros to s3 3 times and just exodia obliterate the boss

[ornate moth]

devs communicating more and caring more about player feedback etc.

[quick sapphire]

They just had people whale for a character thinking their packs weren't gonna refresh and then fucking refreshed them and there's no way they refund the difference

[graceful juniper]

Tbh as kinda f2p guy....i only have like 12 golden lattice from when the game open until now,kinda sad number if you think about how much ssr they pump each month

[quick sapphire]

And Yeli as a whole, showed her with wrong stats, wrong modules, wrong shell and the character doesn't work how her kit even says

I didn't pull her but what even is that

[pure junco]

By a year you should have maybe 15 Maxed characters

[ornate moth]

hmm yeah I farmed a lot of inferno doki in 2x so that probably helped me meet the gear requirements

[pure junco]

There's already like 6 coming out this week

[graceful juniper]

Hello they pump atleast 4/5 character a month

[glass vale]

Are you playing the game? I've had double that since launch 😅

There's a lot locked away in stuff like Anisynch Echoes etc

[pure junco]

Ani is also a sufficient way to get prints

[ornate moth]

it sucks this game has a ton of potential IMO the gameplay is good characters are good I just want it to succeed but more and more issues are popping up with mostly radio silence from devs

[small knot]

P5X is out on global already

No need to wait cus it just came out today

[ornate moth]

there’s a few perfect lattices in ani I think, at least 2. And some in ember trek

[quick sapphire]

The devs have no idea what they are doing, it's not even silence, they just do not know what's going on around them

[glass vale]

I've got 4 from Anisync so far

[scarlet quartz]

big ip gachas also kinda sus

[pure junco]

This is a pretty good game, it does many things wrong yet right. I hope it improves further

[scarlet quartz]

pc client btw?

[glass vale]

Is that a beta? I thought it was full release?

[glass vale]

You can play on steam

[scarlet quartz]

I do

[warped stump]

big ip gachas tend to eos pretty fast once they've smash and grabbed a ton of money

[scarlet quartz]

I also like seven deadly sins, solo leveling, dragonball and all of their gachas are terrible

[warped stump]

it's an extremely common trend unfortunately

[scarlet quartz]

big IPs should stick to collabs

maybe persona will be the one

[charred minnow]

way too lucky lmao

5 pulls for yeli

[scarlet quartz]

got her 3 pulls in as well

now she will sit on bench forever

cause she eats lattices

and i aint a chef

[charred minnow]

imma test her

[small knot]

P5X isn’t a game based off of an anime tho

[charred minnow]

think she mostly needs s1 max, s3 lv3, s2 can stay base

[scarlet quartz]

well, technically solo leveling's gacha wasnt either

[pure junco]

Do you have the lattices Zolri?

[ornate moth]

like 10 pulls or literally 3

[scarlet quartz]

1 ten pull

got her on the third

so 7 into pity

[ornate moth]

lucksackers in the chat, smh

i’m sick to my stomach

[charred minnow]

euh 1

LOL

[charred minnow]

I did single pulls

[pure junco]

F

[charred minnow]

cuz I had an odd number of pulls

[scarlet quartz]

i was at 0

it was either a free yeli or pity building

wasnt too hot about her

[glass vale]

Got her in 20. 10 left to save for whoever's next 💪

[scarlet quartz]

in what she can do for my account especially without lattices

[charred minnow]

just another light aoe dps

;-;

[pure junco]

Whoever is coming in a week half 🤡

[charred minnow]

if it was dark she would've been more useful

[warped stump]

i got lucky and pulled her in 3, went for prowesses and ended up summoning like 150 pulls to get 2 prowesses total

[scarlet quartz]

aoe...

i have bad news

[warped stump]

[scarlet quartz]

for u

[ornate moth]

that’s my problem with pulling new units that aren’t like a freya type character

lattices are so scarce it only really benefits my account to pull supports that don’t need them lol

[glass vale]

The banner lengths are so weird in this game 😅

[charred minnow]

how so

[scarlet quartz]

she is a single target dps

heavely so

[charred minnow]

3 hits to all enemies?

counts for me

[scarlet quartz]

well

[charred minnow]

: (

[scarlet quartz]

if u count rosa as an aoe dps

sure

[charred minnow]

with revelation even freya is an aoe dps

[glass vale]

You only need to AoE once if that's all it takes to kill them

[scarlet quartz]

real and true

[warped stump]

i'd imagine yeli with cd cycling would be rather nasty lol

[scarlet quartz]

as a single target dps fully latticed yeli does look crazy

on paper

[pure junco]

Purifies 2 Debuffs on self is such an odd thing to add in. Couldn't they just grant her immunity for two turns 😅

[scarlet quartz]

nah bro u stun u lose

[charred minnow]

purify is more balanced than immunity

[scarlet quartz]

balance would be a funny thing for them

[charred minnow]

can still be hard cc'd

[scarlet quartz]

to think about

lowkey

[charred minnow]

true

[warped stump]

i think it's designed so you cant be attack broken before the s3 lol

[pure junco]

Balance? In my Etheria Restart?? Wow

[scarlet quartz]

they just sat 5 monkeys in the dev studio until this game came out

sorry jack

[pure junco]

Hmmm makes sense

[small knot]

What major attack broken debuffers do we have

[warped stump]

dokidoki adds
holden
viper
kazuyo (reverie)

also allows you to shake defbreak and slows too which i guess is nice for survivability

[graceful juniper]

Yea thats the problem....like some stuff are one time like the async,and the other are hard enough(ember treck tower)

The only stuff easy to get is guild union and arena

[pure junco]

That also assumes you're in a good guild

[graceful juniper]

Disagea is the same too...based from game IP,its EoS anyway

[pure junco]

This must be a MOBA 🤣

[graceful juniper]

Yea they put weird difficulty curve on some progression

[ornate moth]

I watched a replay of someone who already lv 50 her with like 9 lattices vs inferno aurora with solid gear and it looked a bit underwhelming. But I’d need to see more cause they may have set things up badly like not removing curse shield quick enough

[pure junco]

That's probably what the code was for

[shadow sage]

they would if they feel satisfied enough lol, the thing with this game, the difficulty spikes are too early. Not to mention those previous questionable events like Infinity Train.

[pure junco]

Yep 💳

CODE: ETHERIADC100K

[fickle hare]

the code is for reaching 100k members on discord

[pure junco]

Yes

Yes it is

[warped kestrel]

They will never be satisfied enough, it's a company, a company's goal is to maximize profits at any cost, and there is no point at which they have enough money. If they make good money, they'll just see it as an indicator that everything is good and they should continue in the same path they've taken.

[old zephyr]

Let's hope they don't lose half of d player base before that

[shadow sage]

no i meant the players lol, if they made the early impression good enough. People will be more than willing to spend compared to current "fck you" treatment on most contents

[warped kestrel]

Ahh, yeah

[pure junco]

There's people who are currently satisfied with this

[warped kestrel]

Yeah, most of the people who either

1. Don't care about PvP/have no competitive interest in this game
2. Have Lily + SSania and several other key characters
   Probably don't care

[pure junco]

True

[shadow sage]

well, probably because most people who only play turn based pvp gacha tends to be more hardcore compared to people who only play the game like 30 mins a day.

[pure junco]

But you'll be called a doomposter for this take 🤷‍♂️ so eh, live and let live I suppose

[warped kestrel]

There's also some of those people who do care about PvP and want things to remain the way they are as to gatekeep PvP so they and their Unions can maintain high ranks

And I have no doubt that's the people that come here to say that Inferno is alright

[shadow sage]

i guess it depends on the devs, do they want to cater to the niche playerbase or try to earn more from mainstream gacha players

personally i always play halfheartedly until i got invested in the game

[graceful juniper]

As someone who has both but only getting them later after taste hell 3 difficulty,yes i care with the stupid difficulty curve.

The one who dont care usually are the one who doesnt get affected at all

[old zephyr]

Dare I say the only reason this game got a bit popular it's because a lot of cc were glazing it because of sponsorship?

[pure junco]

Mihoyo could do something like that easily considering Genshin made them rich. Honkai is their beginning, GGZ and HI3 has niche player base right? Kinda risky on XD's part.

[scarlet quartz]

It looked like a good competitor to SW and E7

[shadow sage]

yeah the ads are everywhere, considering some of my friends who dn't really play gacha games knew about this game

[scarlet quartz]

with how things are going

E7 looking mighty good rn

[shadow sage]

Dragon Bride Senya finally on galaxy shop

[graceful juniper]

Tbh pvp turn base game kinda dry....like new player doesnt feel like to jump to SW or E7 and waiting new stuff

[scarlet quartz]

ah mint picker

[shadow sage]

or they could go Kuro route, where their responsiveness and eagerness to improve the game stole the heart of many people

[scarlet quartz]

[pure junco]

Yeah I'd say Genshin and Tears of Themis are the most casual, which sells heavily if you wanna go global and appeal to most ages

[shadow sage]

imagine if Kuro went radio silent like Jack during early launch

WuWa will probably EoS already

[pure junco]

I can see that

I kinda feel that way about Starrail

[graceful juniper]

Wuwa probably wont see 2.0 if they do that lol

[pure junco]

Especially when you have people gasing it up before launch

[shadow sage]

i kinda dislike Star Rail now, since they got no creativity in term of gameplay mechanics. Like it's just overglorified DPS Simulator.

Compared to early days when my units were weak. Memory of Xianzhou was fun

[old zephyr]

This game didn't particularly did anything ground breaking to put it to the top when I saw this game I didn't want to play it because there wasn't any wow factor in it but due to a lot of cc speaking on it I decided to give it a try but the events and Inferno dungeons and the overall quality of this game isn't even good

[pure junco]

Just like og AK fans doing for End field

[graceful juniper]

Its the same...i only got bait because 80 pull and carry over pity for both rgb and l/d

[old zephyr]

At least they still have story and quality delivery just compare it with what this game is doing

[shadow sage]

their story and lore are good, but too much yapping for my taste lol. But i agree it's much better compared to whatever they were trying to do in this game

i can imagine them not updating the story after this

with e7 they always release side story for new units

[pure junco]

Honkai Lore generally requires a PhD.

[pure junco]

Good thing you aren't playing the other Honkai games because this is easier reading if your attention span isn't the best

[shadow sage]

i played Hi3 until HoS iirc, but back then Mihoyo wasn't a multibillion company

so i kinda accept the VN formula

[gilded mirage]

Dude I did 200 pulls and NO DITING

[shadow sage]

with HSR they were based on Trails Series, so i compare between those 2 right off the bat

[old zephyr]

This game said they were pvp but they are dragging us into pve hell with the difficulty of inferno dungeons and their 0 drops when u actually do clear it plus the insane scarcity of resources to build units

[pure junco]

Yeah they really loved meeting trails devs

[shadow sage]

I'm waiting for Trails Beyond The Horizon

2026

[old zephyr]

Like people had to talk about 2× event for them to actually bring it in

[pure junco]

🤷‍♂️ it'll probably improve in a few months or within that time frame

Not sure who will wait this long

[old zephyr]

Exactly!! 😭 🤣

[shadow sage]

Astarte on stage 42 for example, it took me countless restart due to rng. And that's only normal

[pure junco]

Me too. I'm also waiting for P4 Remake since it's my favorite one

[shadow sage]

like wtf?

now that you mentioned P4

[old zephyr]

Bruh

[shadow sage]

i'll just wait for P5X

[supple lichen]

Inferno terror on auto now doable

[shadow sage]

SEA server early next month

[pure junco]

That's in like two hours

[old zephyr]

U have Lily invalid

[supple lichen]

Still better than dot teams

[pure junco]

Congratulations

[old zephyr]

True m just sad I didn't reroll for Lily

If I knew how horrible inferno would be I would have just rerolled

[pure junco]

20% HP decrease only helps a little bit, but should be good enough depending on comp+skill levels

The problem is that Terro hits like a truck

[old zephyr]

I can clear terro but I need to build red kaz and 6star my Holden but m out of resources I don't want to even build the kaz

[shadow sage]

yeah resources is the main problem lol. If you bricked your units, It will take a while to gather more resources, especially Lattices

[supple lichen]

True

[pure junco]

Yep. Just gotta wait

[young zealot]

Im seeing more and more people clearing inferno Terro, but with lily.. I never reroll in gachas and it’s definitely the first time i regret not re rolling 🥲

[pure junco]

You still can

We're only three weeks in right? Surely reroll will help ya keep up eventually

[foggy reef]

Gg they nerfed niconana drops , now its 7/10 Yellow Shell

🤡

[pure junco]

🤡 Because that's the entry way into what's important! That's why we did it!

[young zealot]

Nah I invested so much time and suffering in this account already I can’t reroll 🤣

[neon hollow]

This has been my experience from the start lol no nerf needed

[pure junco]

Quick! Hit the "Restart" button

[foggy reef]

Mmh no i Always dropped many Red in 2 weeks, also many White fang, today 800 stamina and i got only 1 White fang and Total of 10 Red shells

They nerfed It 100/100 because now Is easyer

[left snow]

no they didnt

you just got unlucky

there are people who got 9 red shells out of 10

stop with these dumb takes

rng exists

[foggy reef]

Lol i asked in guild and they had same problem as me

They nerfed It i feel It. Its silent nerf

[tribal osprey]

[left snow]

damn

[foggy reef]

Gg good One

[foggy reef]

I Just got the same lol

[graceful juniper]

Welcome to the yellow club

[graceful juniper]

Those last 3 sub is overkill lmao

[neon hollow]

its called RNG and luck... i have been doing inferno for a week and have always got more Yellow than Red

[foggy reef]

320 Speed 😭 had to use White fang cause no good support shells xD

[young zealot]

Yo anyone got a consistent auto clear for shadow flame hoyan without lily/ssania ? I use obol/cachi/celince/lingluo but my autos are way too trash and I kinda don’t want to manu this sht

[warped kestrel]

All turn-based PvP gachas are about speed, since buffing/debuffing/cleaving to death is the highest value play in any of these games. Only reason SPD is so unimportant in Mihoyo games is because there's no PvP

(And it's not that it's not important there, but rather that reaching the SPD threshold to outspeed PvE content is easy, and SPD becomes irrelevant after that point)

[frigid dune]

Any tips for consistent Rengu Inferno for auto?

[graceful juniper]

Did you max* all of them yet? Tbh when i see clear with a max star char,they look tankier

[young zealot]

Nah, theyre all 5stars lv 45. Lingluo 5/1/1, obol 5/5/5, Céline 1/1/1, cacho 1/5/5. Im kinda reluctant about 6 starting a cheese comp honestly ^^’

[vague violet]

Mistyped

[pure junco]

All I could tell you is good luck lol

[frigid dune]

LOL : ]

[frigid dune]

Appreciate it : ]

[foggy reef]

Did anyone built yeli? With s2/1 at 5

If yes how Is?

In inferno like aurora

[spiral musk]

finally, some progression

[next thicket]

does anyone think revelation sybil could work as a budget rosa/xiada for aurora inferno, or is it too copium? I would be sad if I build her and it doesnt

[graceful juniper]

Who sybil?

[next thicket]

blue r unit from the tutorial

she has higher base atk than rosa, you can max skill her fairly easily, her kit has a bunch of multi hits, brings armor break

but my fear is that she is paper and dies

[spiral musk]

i think with mia and some bear shell she gonna be ok

[old zephyr]

This is the reason they should have added 30days reset unlimited

So people can see what works and not

[next thicket]

yeah if we get another reset event, I def wanna try it

[neon hollow]

its not even in the same realm of possibility

[old zephyr]

Not if u try now and it doesn't work your acc is bricked

[next thicket]

what makes you say that?

[neon hollow]

Their Kits are not even close to the same?

[next thicket]

I'm not saying they are the same

[neon hollow]

Both Rosa and Xiada are Aoe Units... 1 with a buff strip and 1 with turn meter reduction

[next thicket]

what does aoe do in aurora inferno for you?

I understand that they are much better units

[neon hollow]

Im retarded im not sure why i thought you said Doki lol.. carry on

[next thicket]

I also think sybils kit is almost tailor made for aurora

all good

[neon hollow]

Can we get Reset event Once a Month on a schedule how bout that...

Let us play around with units and comps

[crimson scroll]

how to pass sharon inferno without lily ?

[gilded mason]

Shadow sania

[finite palm]

Why do my shell clears never show up in recent clears?

I got this 1 minute clear just now but it won't show up in recent clears

[young zealot]

Which game does that?

[crimson scroll]

up

[main elm]

This is the 1st PvP game ever where I see the dev release a premium unit for PvE.

It means 1 thing and 1 thing only, they for damn sure know their PvE is that hard and they taking advantage of it by giving us premium unit that is OP in PvE.

PvP competitive game by the way

Yeah don't nerf, don't fix, don't adjust, just sell solutions with high price

Unit feels like awakened Rosa lol

[ruby canyon]

Uhh E7? lol also yeli is good in pvp too

[main elm]

Rosa is good in PvP too, there isn't alot of DPS atm so u use what u have, there is only 1 real PvP DPS which is Messiah

[finite palm]

@main elm Btw I'm beating Hoyan consistently now, had to swap out Celince and Mia

[main elm]

Her extra attack procs is clearly meant for shredding thru bosses

Damn, Koloros pog

[main elm]

Give me 1 ML unit in E7 that was released for PvE and not PvP, don't tell me straze he was broken in PvP on release that made him 1 shotter in PvE aswell

[finite palm]

I won 7/10 of my first 10 auto battles, now I am 1/5 so far on my next 10, seems like this is also quite rng

Obol missing a stun or Kloss missing the def down seems to be the main cause for losses

[main elm]

Why obol over Celince?

[finite palm]

Stun prevents the adds from doing any damage whatsoever and he dots a more than her

[ruby canyon]

released for pve is a subjective statement, but s.tene was goated in pve for a while

[finite palm]

I speedtune him to go again right after the adds wake up

[main elm]

A PvP premium unit that has good uses in PvE is a whole lot different case than a premium unit kit tailored towards PvE

[ruby canyon]

Well I think yeli is pretty premium in pvp, she's been out for like 7 hours like cmon

[main elm]

No one would take Yuli over Messiah in PvP lol

So what's her selling point exactly besides she is a prime PvE OP unit

[ruby canyon]

Once bulwark bloodbath takes off and massiah can't oneshot I think ppl would

[main elm]

Messiah 3 hits large hits, he can still kill u thru blood bath

[ruby canyon]

No way and it's 2 hits on the ult

Unlike rosa yeli can followup through immunity as long as she crits

Also the self purify is goated

[main elm]

Don't oversell bloodbath, my Tiamat almost got 1 shotted from diting without any debuffs lol, she on bloodbath

Diting no def penetration nor ignore passive too

[ruby canyon]

Yeli would do the same as diting there but with cleanse, aoe and buff steal

She's def not bad in pvp

[sudden wedge]

she’s not an upgrade to anything is what I think he’s saying

[ruby canyon]

She's an upgrade to rosa and diting

[sudden wedge]

that said having an alternate rev dps is always good for drafting

[main elm]

Lol yes upgrade to PvE units

See ?

[outer falcon]

Outerplane offers the ability to temporarily make some units high level with a few skillups but that's not really the same thing as resets

[main elm]

They selling PvE for us not fixing it

[outer falcon]

And it takes forever to get the feature to work at a high level

[ruby canyon]

Did you want the very next banner after massiah to powercreep him in both pve and pvp lol

[outer falcon]

Outerplane also has one of the worst p2w dupe structures in a current game

[ruby canyon]

But you were just talking about facing diting in pvp... and rosa revelation shreds in pvp too

[main elm]

Don't have the luxury to build PvP and PvE DPSs ?

Ppl use Rosa rilmocha Diting Xiada in PvP

Coz it's hard to invest on multiple stuff

They just use their Max invested DPS in PvP coz that's what they have

They need them to clear PvE to get stronger

[outer falcon]

What do you think qualifies a DPS as a PvP DPS?

[main elm]

Kit obviously

[ruby canyon]

Yeli having 120 base spd and self purify puts her a step above all of those though

[main elm]

Hoyan kit tailored toward PvP

Messiah aswell, but he is so strong that made him viable in PvE aswell though far from best in PvE

[glass ruin]

so hows yeli in pve compared to rosa?

[ruby canyon]

Massiah is overperforming cause whales pulled 5/5 dupes and use him for everything, you'll see ppl do the same with yeli now

[main elm]

More single damage + more hits + makes u don't need to get a stripper for PvE to remove bosses buffs so u could have a free spot to make it easier

If u see PvP buffs, it's like 5 or 6, what she gonna steal or strip ? Specially with no accuracy, it's very unreliable that if she even take enough turns

[outer falcon]

How are Hoyan, Fast Rin, Xiada, Borgne, or even Tsutomu or Oboro not PvP DPS in that case

[main elm]

How is Hoyan not PvP DPS

[outer falcon]

You said Massiah was the only pvp dps

So that's a question for you, not me

[main elm]

Also why do u think lot hasn't invested in her but invested in Holden instead?

[tired socket]

Any dps outside of the dot crew can Work in pvp as a dps eben supports coz revelation is funny

But not every pvp dps works in pve

[main elm]

Was speaking about premium units dude

[main elm]

This

Coz Holden much stronger in PvE lol

Why we dodging the idea that devs is selling PvE OP units and not PvP ( at the current state of the game )

Coz ppl choice on Hoyan vs Holden was the clear answer

[outer falcon]

You didn't say that, but in that case, yeah, it's just Mass

[main elm]

Coz I was speaking about premium units

[outer falcon]

[main elm]

.

[outer falcon]

.

[main elm]

I'm giving examples on why ppl use their PvE dps in PvP

[ruby canyon]

I mean I think yeli is a premium pvp unit who happens to be good in pve due to limited resources/roster, you think she's a premium pve unit who happens to be good in pvp for the same reason

[outer falcon]

Anyway, this is pointless, you're right that it's funny for them to release pve units (and she apparently isn't even good)

[ruby canyon]

We're not gonna agree on this

[main elm]

Yes I agree, she isn't THAT great in PvP which isn't exactly her selling point, whole community is frustrated with PvE and devs is banking on it, therefore Yeli banner is up

[ruby canyon]

Maybe, I haven't been online to check

Does she acrually solve pve

[pure junco]

Hardly

[ruby canyon]

Or are ppl still struggling

[outer falcon]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1387669646865334442

[main elm]

Solve ? Nah, better than any DPS u have in PvE ? I guess so

[outer falcon]

People are having a hard time getting her to hit harder than diting but also they don't seem to be investing in her S1 for some reason

[pure junco]

Yeah you're better off leaving other units

[main elm]

She needs battlewill set, ppl just blindly go for fury 8/8 set and ignore anything else

Lol

Infinite follow ups

[ruby canyon]

I will try her with onslaught battlewill furyedge revelation later, she seems strong idk I'm on to test later tonight

[outer falcon]

A lot of them also miss that the passive specified "active skill" so they're reeeeing about it not following up after a twin trick assist

[main elm]

When I was using battlewill on Rosa she seems to always have triple hits on her turn and 2 hits on Lily turn

Well almost always

But for the love of god I can't find a shell with battlewill

[finite palm]

Who the fuck designed this hoyan fight? You miss cc on a single add and your run is cooked because she gets 3 stacks per turn and needs 7 so a single counter will fuck you really hard. And when she does her "follow up" it counts as her turn which means your debuffs will be running out one turn faster as well, just so much bullshit coming from the rng of missing cc once. Then there's also the chance she resists the def down which means you won't be killing her in time either.

[ruby canyon]

Yeah I think there's a 20% per hit not skill, it seems to proc way more than every 5 turns

Which means it's great on yeli too

[outer falcon]

Probably not outerplane. Outerplane has a "room" you can upgrade that lets you select a unit and boost it to a certain level with certain skillups. It will stay that way while it's in the room, but you can swap the unit out with a time penalty between uses and you get like 5 slots to do it with. It helps, but it's also not great and not a reset really

[pure junco]

Someone with lots of spare time

[main elm]

its op in Rosa therefore it'll be even more op on yeli

[warped kestrel]

Who the fuck designed this hoyan fight?

Clearly the same person that designed every other fight in a way that makes them inconsistent despite this being a 10x autobattle gacha game.

Every inferno is like this to some degree

[main elm]

but my issue is revelation with battlewill

imagine S3 + 3 follow ups on revelation

boss will MELT

[uncut mica]

There's already been a fair number of clears using rev Yeli like that. Aurora/Sharon/Rengo are the most common

[main elm]

I've said and It'll say it again, Yeli is OP in PvE and they trying to sell that to us, coz no one care about PvP atm where the PvE is such a clownfiesta

[ruby canyon]

I think there's some mythic wow raider with a hardon for enrage mechanics and dps checks in the design team

[outer falcon]

Could be, I got no experience with it so I can't help there. And yes too true

[tribal osprey]

Idk why people are saying yeli is crap to diting. She is quite literally doing the same or more damage

[outer falcon]

Based on the numbers it seems impossible that she wouldn't yeah

[left snow]

yes she is doing more damage than my diting

[warped kestrel]

This is most likely exactly what it is - some dev that is very into a different type of game and has brought totally conflicting systems and mechanics to a game that isn't designed for that.

[vast thicket]

This update was not great, not much of a change from my old runs to this new version

[tribal osprey]

The people saying that have 0 investment into her

[outer falcon]

Or they're 1 5 5 and wondering why her main dps source isn't working it seems

[left snow]

i mean her turn 1 multiplier is anywhere from 840 to 1200

[tribal osprey]

[left snow]

thats simple logic it will be higher than diting lol

[tribal osprey]

She averages 2 shots to be fair

[ancient lava]

Ok but real question when is eff res getting cut by at least half on dokidoki its bs that a 300-320% eff hit full team can end up with 1/9 or 3/7 even on accident even tho its perfectly speed tuned

[left snow]

yeah which is like 840 multi

[main elm]

here is why the community think she sucks, if u release a premium unit, expect it to be at the TOP echelon in PvP, but what happened is that she is just another DPS that is usable in PvP, what they don't or realize is devs is selling PvE units coz she is atm the top PvE DPS

[left snow]

what rank are you ?

[uncut mica]

well if you get unlucky she'll be at 600 multi for turn 1 which is lower but she'll make it up with a minimum 480% on her S1 turns

[tribal osprey]

Wdym “usable” brother she is PvP

[left snow]

i saw a few yelis in high masters so far and some of them were frequent massiah cleavers

[main elm]

arena top 200, RTA in diamond with 80% WR coz game is a full time job already and spamming RTA is just no no

[ancient lava]

imo everyone who thinks yeli is bad in either pve or pvp either built her like crap or didnt invest

[left snow]

i usually play the same guys on rta all the time and know their picks

[uncut mica]

I'm struggling to think of a truly bad build for her outside of obvoius incorrect stats lol

[left snow]

2 of the frequent massiah cleavers are going for yeli atm instead of mass

[vast thicket]

needs all the lattice to be super good

[left snow]

i cant get a cleave team in tho

[vast thicket]

just build rev with the usual set and she great

[left snow]

they are pre banning my tsukiyomi

💀

[tribal osprey]

Just pick Lily

Gg ez

[ancient lava]

look around ull find em

also im p sure like at least 50% of ppl that are saying yeli is crap are the ones who paired her with lily and lily cant do the haha funny game breaking stuff

[left snow]

would be great if she was a good alt to tsukiyomi but she isnt

[tribal osprey]

Imagine if they didn’t cuck yeli by not having her passive proc on assists

[tribal osprey]

Yeah, tsuki turn 1 is really good

[left snow]

also doesnt help playing the same 3 guys for the entire day and they know my tsukiyomi opener

and just pre ban her lol

[tribal osprey]

Dwdw. Next ld will replace tsuki

[uncut mica]

Gigaspeed Doro the Wisher

[indigo oyster]

anyone know what comp to run for inferno nico
currently im running diting,lily,vice,marvel, i have like a 40% wr

should i remove marvel for kloss?

[main elm]

I'm only trying to get the weekly 2k rewards coz the game is way too time consuming, and even the 2k rewards feels such a chore to finish

[left snow]

well problem with lily is

i first pick her they ban her

if i wait for 3rd pick to ban protect her

then my opponent picks her

[tribal osprey]

Yep

[left snow]

🤣

[tribal osprey]

[main elm]

one does not simply 3rd pick lily

she either preban or 1st pick

same for mio

[lyric pumice]

why do u use vice, u need a def break

[left snow]

mio needs a dispel to go before her

which can be quite rough

[indigo oyster]

He have action+atk down+ taunt and heal the team

[left snow]

lily doesnt need that so her opener is a lot simpler

[ancient lava]

u can try this

[lyric pumice]

very slow and uneffective for diting team comp in grim shells which requires only 4 units and a burstdown

diting and slow control aint working together

[indigo oyster]

Speed check for marvel n Dinah?

[indigo oyster]

Aight I’ll replace vice w kloss then

[lyric pumice]

oh u got kloss

then fuck marvel use valerian

there, bis team

[ancient lava]

dinah +129 marvel +151 iirc somewhere close to that was a mix and match test

[indigo oyster]

I don’t have enough speed

[ancient lava]

p sure u dont need that much on marvel if u have fast lily 140 should be enough

[indigo oyster]

[ruby canyon]

diting lily valerian kloss should work

[ancient lava]

use codex on marvel for double ult and either dark moon or codex on dinah

were p safe runs for me yday

[indigo oyster]

Ima need to make my kloss a bit more tanky because I tried this comp and kloss get obliterated by the ads 1st turn

[inland chasm]

Cause she is weak against nico with her 200% dmg boost

[ruby canyon]

p sure it's ok if she dies you just need to get off def break and spd down

but this comp is very fast, like 28 sec

I think with furyedge on both rosa and diting I could get sub 20 sec, it's like 10% hp off

[indigo oyster]

No 2/4 unit

[inland chasm]

No dot team?

[indigo oyster]

Nope

[ruby canyon]

obol lily works on auto doesnt it

[indigo oyster]

I got a dupe lily instead

And obol will take so long

[ruby canyon]

just go obol lily valerian lingluo or smth

lemme test how long it takes

is it rly that bad 1:24?

faster with rc77 to extend dots

[indigo oyster]

imagine if i run obol💀

dont even have him built

[old zephyr]

Which dungeon is this?

[thick arch]

lily restart op

[upbeat breach]

but lily is clearly not a problem lol what a fucking joke

[thick arch]

it's not that she isn't a problem but she's far from the worst problem we have

I'm meming if that wasn't obious

[next thicket]

is your obol faster than lily by chance? I did that by accident when swapping gears, but I think it's what shaved off a decent amount of time for my runs, too (not as fast as yours)
that way obol s3, lily boosts, obol s3 (codex), lily reset, and then obol either strips or s3 again if skilled up lily

I've farmed a bunch of nn inferno and only today 2* it by accident, and I suspect this is why

[ruby canyon]

infenro nico

[ruby canyon]

unfortunately no, but that sounds rly good

[warped stump]

damn that is insane average time, what did you cook for the modules and such?

[ruby canyon]

nothing too crazy i think, no furyedge on rosa either

[indigo oyster]

what the helly

[indigo oyster]

is harvest better than 12 onslaught?

[left snow]

would you mind testing how much damage the first shot of your s3 does on union boss without any buffs ?

also the total damage

[ruby canyon]

sure

[left snow]

kinda curious how onslaught harvest stacks up against your keeneye harvest

[ruby canyon]

yea figured it was just for dmg calc, for this union boss you wanna use xiada obv :p

with no atk buffs/debuffs?

[left snow]

yeah, just his naked ult

first shot of his ult damage and total damage would be appreciated

[ruby canyon]

69423, 30k second shot

[left snow]

white fang right ?

[ruby canyon]

yep

[left snow]

okay thats higher than mine

[warped stump]

+3841 wtf triple atk%?

[ruby canyon]

yea it's just for revelation shenanigans

[warped stump]

makes sense makes sense

this looks doable, maybe I try it (when I have any lattices for Rosa, lmao)

[finite palm]

Okay after more testing it looks like my Hoyan team sits around 50% winrate, maybe some gear upgrades on my dps will mitigate the rng

[main elm]

how are we supposed to reach 3k here

[outer falcon]

You don't get it, the event is repeating content... When you make progress next time it comes you'll feel hella good .. don't uninstall... Come back! Stop rolling in Persona! No! Nooooooooooooooooo!

[indigo oyster]

what should i do to 100% nico xDD, shell by order is white fang,artisan,gigabyte,artisan

[main elm]

no rosa ?

[indigo oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[main elm]

[indigo oyster]

also even if i get her, no lattice

[storm fable]

any shadowflame hoyan inferno comps without shadowsania and celince?

[finite palm]

Seems to be at 50% winrate or so rn

[storm fable]

damn dont have khloros either

[tribal sluice]

Need some cracked dps gear for that setup

[ruby canyon]

making 15 full gear sets is rough

[pastel inlet]

15 gear sets. With latticed up DPS units. It's rough.

[tribal sluice]

Will be more doable on later reruns

[outer falcon]

They don't seem to realize what a honeymoon period is supposed to be

[main elm]

For sure but it's like releasing WOTLK Arthas boss while we still in Vanilla, we need 2 more expansions to gear and lvl up

[outer falcon]

Or the competitive landscape they're releasing into

Like forget new releases, they're sandwiching themselves between SW anni and E7 anni lmao

SW anni felt better than any launch has in a long time, even for new players. I'm sure E7 follows suit

[ruby canyon]

for those who've recleared ethernet how long did it take, 1-2 hours?

[chrome meteor]

evi

I'm trying ur auto hoyan team

with a bunch of guildies

none of us can make it work LOL

[ruby canyon]

😭

[chrome meteor]

u don't have any sania lattice right

iirc only obol s1 maxed

its kinda weird for auto cuz like

[ruby canyon]

I'll make a video at some point with all strats

sania is 1/1/5

[chrome meteor]

obol doesn't do any dots

ah

S1 or s3 maxed?

for sania

[ruby canyon]

s3 the res

[chrome meteor]

ic

how do u even consistently apply dots tho

cuz obol S2 doesn't do anything

it just wastes a turn

[ruby canyon]

enough effhit?

it should be 80% chance

[chrome meteor]

urs only had like

220 right

[ruby canyon]

yeaah that's enough

[chrome meteor]

feels almost like 50/50 >.>

Obol s3 not maxed right

lily just s1 maxed?

[ruby canyon]

well mine is by now cause i use him a lot

it waasnt when i did hoyan

did you try putting one add first in auto attack order?

[chrome meteor]

o

yea

well

not attack order but

i manually target the ad first

even without auto just pressing obol s1 s3

still not able to clear

just takes too long and eventually u get double KO'd after a res

or sania dies

[ruby canyon]

did you try kazuyo to sleep adds? and i assume no celince right

[chrome meteor]

no celince

didn't bother kazuyo cuz im looking for an auto team

and kaz requires manual

u said its a consistent auto team right

[ruby canyon]

yea the slow one is consistent af

[chrome meteor]

r u still unable to post ur characters

[ruby canyon]

tbh i think i've posted everything multiple times atp lmao

[chrome meteor]

oh lol

i can try and find it

is this it?

[ruby canyon]

yes here's the obol

[chrome meteor]

ye

what speed is the lily

[ruby canyon]

290ish

[chrome meteor]

ic

assuming maxed s1

ofc

[ruby canyon]

yup

[chrome meteor]

hmmm

is the sania maxed s3 really necessary

or should be able to at least inconsistently clear wihtout it

both healers on cure and supernova?

[ruby canyon]

i still dont have a cure set on lingluo

so just swiftrush and wellspring

[chrome meteor]

oh ok

just on sania then

[ruby canyon]

also i only have 1 supernova so sania is on gigabyte

[chrome meteor]

ic

[foggy mirage]

spent nearly 5m coins and nevee got any insight. are there any way to make this sysyem less brutal? i felt like making no progression at all. Everything this game has to offer are just rng at its core

[misty mantle]

5m? wow, that's like 2 maxed shells

[foggy mirage]

had to do this since dinah cannot consistently land her debuffs on terror, whocj causes alot of fail times

[foggy mirage]

yeah, the system in itself is just too much.

people are steugglimg getting a red spd passive(7 types), the 3rd slot has 13 different types which getting the thing u want is just too rare and absurd

i felt like making no progression this past 3 days. i felt like everything i did in those 3 days were meaningless, pointless and a complete waste of time. Its just way too brutal

[misty mantle]

honestly, I think you went way too far for that... there's always 10% to miss and I don't think that's worth 5m, specially now that Terror got nerfed

[foggy mirage]

then my runs, shouldnt be at 3-4/10 im aware of thay 10% innate thing

[main elm]

Everything u grind is thrown into a casino, u either get something or lose it all without anything to show for, and yes the worst form of it is the 30k Shell passive rerolls

[foggy mirage]

dinah is build with reva(so she can procc khloros faster) so she needs to crit, and balancing that with eff acc is just hard. but getting insight should make it a little easier at the very least

[misty mantle]

You still have a point though, sadly rngesus didn't give you his blessing and it can be brutal to lose 5M for nothing

[foggy mirage]

well rip ig. i assume it should stay this way even if players rallies

[main elm]

My members keep leaving the game and I don't blame them, grind can get pointless with the amount of RNG it has, PvE difficulty aswell

[misty mantle]

I still think we should get some numbers from devs to know how accuracy works so we can decide better what to do in these situations

[foggy mirage]

some of my friends were quitting too for samw reasons too, which most of them are actually spenders unlike me whos f2p

[misty mantle]

cause maybe all you needed was 15acc from subs and you were capped already, I don't really know how it works

[main elm]

Let's face it, the only reason CCs doing videos for this hot mess of a game because they are small timers that got paid and sponsored

[foggy mirage]

yeah, knowing how efd acc and eff res works should help alot. esp if all the bosses and enemies stats arent revealed

[foggy mirage]

yeah, and i cant blame them to be honest, they make money with itnd get engagement, whereas an average person have nothing to get back by playing the game than frustrations, thoughnot generalizing.

[quick sapphire]

How much fuckign eff acc do you need for doki doki man, 240 mio with maxed s2 and still resists 💀 💀 💀 💀

[foggy mirage]

yhwts the thing, they arent transparent about enemies stats. its pretty much their goal to be "let the players figure it oit* type shit

[quick sapphire]

there's figure it out and then having the point where it's 100% unreachable..

This is ridiculous

[left snow]

im gonna just spend my time and reverse engineer the eff acc vs res formula at this point

[main elm]

I don't mind enemies has +150 ER and 90% damage reduction if I we don't get 10%ed to our CC to bypass the 90% damage reduction

[foggy mirage]

i have never really hated RNG but this game makes me hate it so much. because Everything from its core is jist pure RNG, the shell, modules and fck it even the whole battle is way too RNG reliant.

[main elm]

But these buffs where 10% exist is retarded

U miss a debuff and it's over

[chrome meteor]

u say that but whats the alternative? go back to FUCKING e7?

fucking outerplane?

[main elm]

Or u go 3+ minute team and tank it down

[chrome meteor]

oh don't tell me u wanna go play summoners war

LOL

[foggy mirage]

it is retarted. theres not even a guaranteed anything from this game

[main elm]

Outerplane, I'd rather play this game fresh today with f2p account without lily or SSania

Than play that hotter garbage

[foggy mirage]

based but id rather not play both tbh

[main elm]

These type of games, turn based PvP is like mmorpg, we are so hungry for it yet all we get is a flop and after flop after flop, so we go back to our old mmorpg that we don't want to play anymore

[chrome meteor]

right

[main elm]

These types of games are destined to be cursed

[chrome meteor]

its rough yea

but thats the thing

i think for once

i understand the white knights to a certain extent

because i have no other option

i don't wanna go back to those steaming pile of shits

[foggy mirage]

actually trying to change irl. just realized all these games takes away your time and rewards youwith unnecessary frustrations lmao

[chrome meteor]

that are e7 or SW

[indigo oyster]

why is this still a thing

[main elm]

Who said this game wasn't pump and dump

[indigo oyster]

lattice =/= crystal

[main elm]

This game is the definition of pump and dump

[foggy mirage]

fr

[quick sapphire]

I'm tilted, 240% and maxxed skill and it hits 4 out of 5 on doki xddddd

[chrome meteor]

is it?..

idk

[quick sapphire]

You can barely get higher than that

[chrome meteor]

im so delusional because i like the game that honestly i don't feel that way lol

[quick sapphire]

unless you max roll on every sub

[chrome meteor]

like there's so much good in the game that i'm so blind to all the flaws >.>

especially coming from e7

lol

[foggy mirage]

and even if u max roll, theres always 10% u wont do shit

[chrome meteor]

like any sort of grinding rng here

[quick sapphire]

Thats a thing?

[chrome meteor]

will never be as painful as the shit we go thru in e7

[main elm]

Events are too random, just throw it without a single thought.

Everything happens in the game feels like a project made for full dumping

[chrome meteor]

LMAO

[main elm]

Look at the event today

[quick sapphire]

Oh hell no

[foggy mirage]

it is it seems

[chrome meteor]

its a thing in all of these games

[main elm]

Max reward is 3k
Reaching 2k = ur top 20 in global

[chrome meteor]

lol

[main elm]

[vagrant coyote]

Dev are not playing their game, that's why it's shitty

[main elm]

This event was the key knowledge of this game is pure pump and dump

[foggy mirage]

fr

[main elm]

Fakin Xiada event, existed just to give u more random packs

To buy

[foggy mirage]

there seems to be alot of fustrated ppl about the game. idk if the devs are in keep up with us

[main elm]

Like holy shit

[foggy mirage]

lowkey an advertising of their packs to the whales

to squeeze as much income possible

[main elm]

I'm 3000$+ and I'm as pissed as f2p

Whales hate it more than u think

[foggy mirage]

frfr

[main elm]

Lol

Because whales realized it's pump and dump crap

[foggy mirage]

yknow something is wrong if whales are pissed

[indigo oyster]

you know why they havent release in china?

because it wouldn't last as long as in global

1 week and this game prob EoS, if they dont meet the demand

[foggy mirage]

global guinea pig?

[indigo oyster]

yeah we are the guinea pig

[foggy mirage]

crazy

[main elm]

It's not released in China coz it'll have 1 month lifespan and Global will see it therefore won't play

[foggy mirage]

ngl, i think china would be more vocal and pissed than global if ever they released it on both

[indigo oyster]

they have to milk the majority first

[main elm]

Tbh China pays way more than global

In pretty much any gacha

[foggy mirage]

oh yeah, but theyre also very voxal across bilibili ans devs are likely to losten to them

it seems like a quwstion mark for now

holy spelling typos

[main elm]

Tbh, I know CC are sponsored, by u'll lose all ur credibility if u don't say anything about the current state of the game, like good luck getting more subscribers if u have 0 integrity

[young zealot]

Oh etheria hasn’t been released in China yet ?

[foggy mirage]

good thing manority of ppl tbh holds these ccs and devs accountable

[main elm]

100 issues and all they talk about is how to build a dogshit new release unit aka Yeli

[foggy mirage]

im glad global is on the harsher side when it comes to these stuff

[foggy mirage]

they cannot get away from these too much since most of their audience are just as fustrated as most ppl playing the game lmao

[warped kestrel]

All they have to do is severely reduce the difficulty of all Inferno stages to a point where we can reliably 10x auto them with 90-100% wr if we have correct affinity, correct buff/debuff/mechanic characters, and +15 mythic gears.

This alone would do so much for the game and the player experience, and I simply cannot wrap my head around why they want to make this something so difficult to achieve, when our progress is already being limited by daily stability.

Why do Inferno farming stages need to be, as they put it, "Inferno difficulty"? This is so frustrating that it's ridiculous.

[foggy mirage]

theyre catering too much to those "who stays" which wouldnt be alot since most ofthe playerbase f2ps and even whales are frustrated about the current state of the game. I dont know how it makes more money for them if players who spend themselves arent happy (some even considering or have already quit).

[warped kestrel]

I consider myself a pretty hardcore player, and even I'm unbelievably frustrated with the state of these stages. And sure, if I had a Lily I would be dumpstering most of these stages, but making accessibility to the game dependent on LD SSRs is incredibly unhealthy for the game.

[foggy mirage]

yeah, theres alot of things for them to add, remove and revamp, from the meta, inferno difficulty to shell passive ridiculous rng and fhat stupid 10% innate res that will fuck up runs no matter how godly ur accuracy is

[main elm]

#1387842553587568720 message
Someone had to say it sry

[warped kestrel]

I won't even get into anything else, because the Inferno difficulty is such a big problem that I don't think they should be doing anything before they address that.

But there's obviously a lot of things that need to be tweaked.

[foggy mirage]

it must have been hard without lily

[warped kestrel]

This game is borderline unplayable without Lily once you get to a certain point.

[foggy mirage]

devs sets the bar too high for a game not even a month old where players are just figuring things and tryna focus on the "meta" because of materials being limited

[main elm]

I know why they are doing this

[young zealot]

Without lily you either hyper invest into units hoping it’s the right ones, or wait for someone to do it so you can (maybe) replicate it

[main elm]

So whales get more frustrated and pay more to finish

[foggy mirage]

oh maybe its a month old now isnt it?

[main elm]

But even that isn't not possible

[finite palm]

You just have skill issue 😎

[warped kestrel]

The skill is called Lily, and the issue is called not rerolling for her. Massive fucking skill issue.

[finite palm]

Just build 400 speed 600% effect acc 4k attack 400% cdmg and you will clear all content

[foggy mirage]

allat for rmg to fuck u up and trigger the 10% innate res so u cant land debuff and die

[jolly relic]

Inferno stages shouldnt drop any single epic shell pieces ever

just mythic shells & only mythic

[warped kestrel]

The kind of investment you have to put into your units to overcome obstacles that Lily can auto through is insulting, actually insulting.

[finite palm]

10% innate doesn't matter when enemy has 5000% effect res

[foggy mirage]

real cuz its 0% for u anding anything at all

man my keyboard fucks me in the anus so hard

fuckass phone

[main elm]

[warped kestrel]

They've given enough resist to Inferno stages that it's extremely hard to get consistent auto going, and seemingly impossible for many stages unless you have a specific LD SSR, and what for, what is the point of doing that for content that is meant to be auto farmed tens if not hundreds of times every day.

[foggy mirage]

cant they atleast disclose bosses stats?

[quick sapphire]

The amount of investment to auto inferno is kinda crazy, I like it in a way because it gives you something to work towards. Even after the nerf nico auto is still like 90% for me with really built units. The eff res thing though, that needs to fuck off

[main elm]

No, because it's as sensitive as assassin's creed shadows players numbers

Hide the truth so u can stretch it as far as u want

[foggy mirage]

does thos game even have any wiki?

most games have wiki where all the informstion about the game is there

[warped kestrel]

You will spend the next 10 years auto farming these stages to get substat rolls, that's if you aspire to be competitive in PvP. That's enough pending work for me, I don't need the farming stages to also be ridiculous and inconsistent on top of that.

[young zealot]

Didn’t they partner with a prydwen-like website ?

[quick sapphire]

Wellspring swift evolguard gigabyte, kinda massive for lingluo right? sorry off topic, just dropped lol

[tacit ingot]

just curious - how much dialy time does this game take from you? have any of you tried to measure it?

[past cloak]

Hell Hades

[finite palm]

Looking at aurora recent clears is just depressing, majority who are clearing go 4+ minutes

[foggy mirage]

they did? i thought prydwen is independent

[main elm]

Why u have to say something that we don't want to hear, game is fucking our time alright

[quick sapphire]

Alot of time, multiple multiple hours

[young zealot]

2 days ago was the last time I max refreshed, I spammed niconana inferno with a 50/70% wr I literally played from morning to night. While at work I logged in, launched the auto, came back 30mins later to do the same etc.. I’ve never spent this much time in a gacha game 🤣

[foggy mirage]

most of my daily hours. its dropping by 30-40% every passing 2-3 days cuz of all the shit

[tacit ingot]

I mean... if even the question itself is painful... yeah, that aligns with my experience

[warped kestrel]

It was taking 10 hours of my day every day when I was taking it seriously. I just stopped taking this game seriously a while ago, I refuse to give this much of my time and effort to an autobattle gacha game that I started playing because it was supposedly PvP-focused.

[main elm]

6hrs daily game, I PLAYED LESS IN THE 1ST WEEK OF WoW LEGION EXPANSION RELEASE

[warped stump]

10000000% agree

[quick sapphire]

6 hours of clearing, 6 hours of trying to min max your gear to auto 💀

[tacit ingot]

holy jesus. at least thank you for the honesty and not the "I just log in, auto and leave, ez bro" cap

[main elm]

I'm sorry I don't talk to retards therefore I never heard of that

[tacit ingot]

I had the bright idea to read some reddit replies

[young zealot]

Honestly I think nobody can afford to do that on this thread

[main elm]

Arguing for the sake of arguing

Basically

Passing time

[warped stump]

damn ive been having fun logging in for six hours a day 😭

i wish i could play more this game is fun!

[main elm]

While they doing their 12hrs daily game

[warped kestrel]

Make more accounts.

[main elm]

I'm bleeding members coz of this retarded game time consumption

[warped stump]

i have considered an alt, i feel like thats going pretty far....

[warped kestrel]

Personally, I want to get my dailies over with, my stability emptied, and LEAVE. I have better things to do than manualing a shitty gacha for hours.

[warped stump]

wait why do you manual content what the hell

when I couldn't do inferno I just did the hardest hell I needed for more stats then called it a day

manualing content sounds like such an insane burnout recipe

[warped kestrel]

Until very recently there was no Inferno stage that I could auto. So my options were to manual or auto Hell.

[warped stump]

oh yeah i autoed h4 doki and terror quite a bit

[warped kestrel]

And even the ones that I can auto now are just inconsistent.

[outer falcon]

I haven't seen anyone mention it in a few days, but let's not forget the absolutely batshit enemy AI targeting

Why is everyone trying to nuke down my Sania when there are 3 element neutral characters with worse HP status to hit in Doki

[tacit ingot]

oh my god! I almost forgot that. that has to be on purpose to make the AI as stupid as possible on auto

[warped stump]

this is kinda nice and kinda batshit stupid at the same time - i think doki would be so, so much harder if the adds just dogpiled one defbroken unit

[warped kestrel]

The AI just targets anything, when it should be targeting the thing it's strong against every time. This game has added bullshit RNG to everything to make the experience as frustrating and inconsistent as possible. It actually makes me livid.

[young zealot]

Reminds me of a hell 4 dokidoki run last week where they were focusing my xiada, left her with 3% hp and switched to a max hp lingluo, makes no sense 🤣

[outer falcon]

But it would also be manipulable

[warped stump]

yeah, I do wish it was manipulatable. I was originally going to try and do the 4wind doki inferno with valerian to tank, just to figure out it didn't work like that and was kind of sad.

[outer falcon]

We should be getting rewarded for investigating mechanics and manipulating the enemy with intelligent build choices if they really want to create a challenging PvE environment that actually respects the user

[outer falcon]

Straight up exactly my pain

[warped kestrel]

And just why, why are they doing these things? Do they hate the players? Do they have a complete buffoon with no understanding of the genre or game balance in charge? What is going on, I just don't get it.

[tribal sluice]

It's good

They should add more rng

[outer falcon]

I played Last Cloudia for a long time and it had an extremely challenging PvE design regime that rewarded investigating and responding to mechanics, fronted by a design team that had strong dialog with the core user base. It has other problems so I bounced but I only stayed so long because they were so good on that front

They weren't afraid to put tools in the player's hands

And the rewards respected the demanded investments

[warped kestrel]

Wizardry has challenging PvE, thing is - Wizardry IS a PvE game, it advertises itself as a "very hardcore PvE game not for the faint of heart" etc. Making farming stages this challenging is terrible, nonsensical game design in a PvP gacha game.

[outer falcon]

I couldn't hack Wizardry because in my lifetime I'll never be able to tolerate the first person dungeon crawling camera but that's another great example

[warped stump]

If I had to imagine - it probably wasn't thought about on the PvE side, but moreso for the AI PvP side of the house. If the AI was easily controllable, and there are no Violent procs like there are in Summoners' War, then Guild content would be laughably easy.

[graceful cradle]

That's essentially what it was in paid beta

[warped stump]

Like I guess as an example, if your defense's core is Hoyan as a strong nuker, I could just bring a bloodbath Tiamat + Valerian and your defense would now have a 0% chance of winning, then I could use someone like Diting or Yeli to snipe the rest.

It's probably to avoid this exact situation.

[warped kestrel]

That does explain why the AI is dogwater(although I consider AI arena and AI guild wars still PvE content) - the terrible AI is the least of my complaints, though, it truly is. Everything in PvE should be easy enough that the dogwater AI shouldn't even matter.

[outer falcon]

I feel like they've done a good job already on the guild content front between the blind teams and the tower buffs without making AI stupid gamewide

I run out of units for guaranteed teams on hit 4 and 5 for now though so I'm feeling shaky from sending in a Gray against a Holden and Lian def an hour ago

[warped kestrel]

Also a good point. In SW I know exactly what my opponents have in GW, and I draft accordingly. Here, enemies aren't revealed until you've already engaged.

The AI shouldn't matter though, PvE should be easy enough that dysfunctional AI shouldn't be an obstacle.

[finite palm]

Man I just love my gear dungeon taking 5 minutes to clear and being full of rng so I lose half the time

[warped stump]

I'm thinking this go around, I'm going to use my blind hits with powerful teams first and then I'll snipe something I can see with my remaining units so I don't blindly run in and die a horrible death on my 5th hit lol

So far it's been fun though, these shadow bases are a good innovation imo

now save the damn defense formations between battles!!!\

[outer falcon]

That's the smart money, I admittedly completely forgot about them and rolled out my Mass cleave etc on complete spuds

Save formations between battles and also make them swapable and deployable by guild leaders so that I don't have to annoy the shit out of everybody every single time to get like 85% of them filled

[warped stump]

true, like central tower from sw's siege formations

[outer falcon]

Saving them also means if you have a config that you haven't managed to improve in the last gearing week, then you don't have to re-gear them back to what they were and then save it and then regear your whole PVE crew again

[outer falcon]

Exactly

[timber mica]

is there a auto sharon inferno or even manual without lily yet?

[mental mural]

Doesn't dot work on her?

[finite palm]

Nope

[warped stump]

sharon on inf difficulty is immune to ALL debuffs

[finite palm]

I'm just gonna help my guild finish this gvg then I'm out

[ornate moth]

yeah as others have said, probably more hours a week than my actual job

[tribal osprey]

Probably not without Lily yet

[timber mica]

damn.. what about rengokutsu

looking for non lily comps lol

for auto~

[tribal osprey]

Uhhhh

I don’t even think there is an auto with Lily even

Idk

[timber mica]

Okay, thx

[mental mural]

Fucking hell

[ornate moth]

yeah my auto with lily and a juiced max dupe 5/5/5 furyedge/momentum/fury diting has like a 30% winrate lol

I think a juiced yeli/lily/kloss/lingluo might do better but idk

maybe some double sustain comp with no lily could work but

boss has so much RNG it's rly hard to auto

[tribal osprey]

Everyday I regret not selecting kloss

[boreal sentinel]

The problem with rengo is that the adds silence your kloss half of the time

[timber mica]

everyday i regret not rerolling for lily and selecting kloss

spent money but 7 dupes in a row including 3 ld

lol

[ornate moth]

he and the minions starts on a random element and there is like a 290 speed minion that will target someone for silence, if the add has element advantage it is a 2 turn silence instead of 1

[timber mica]

all pityy

[ornate moth]

so starts fire -> 2 turn silence on kloss, gg. Starts light, 2 turn silence on diting, gg. If it silences lily it's winnable but not great

like most of the inferno stuff it's just way overtuned to be farming content

will prob take like 30 runs to get a single triple matrix shell, who knows how many for one with actual decent matrixes. Am I supposed to be attentively watching every run to make sure it doesn't fail due to some random bullshit?

[warped stump]

rengo is fucking evil lmao, that guy is like three steps more difficult than anything else

[ornate moth]

I cleared rengo inferno on manual before clearing terrormaton or hoyan inferno tbf

it's just very anti-auto battle

[warped stump]

yea but in terms of farming content/auto teams he's SIGNIFICANTLY harder than anything else in the game i've seen so far

[gilded mirage]

Also very RNG

[inland chasm]

I think there is a yeli auto but thats all i saw

[warped stump]

homie makes pre-nerf terror look easy lmao

[warped kestrel]

We share these 2 exact regrets. We just didn't know better, we just thought the developers of this game couldn't possibly be twisted enough to make those characters as essential as they are.

I've never played a game that did this to this degree, so I could have never guessed this.

[ornate moth]

depends on your account. If you have shadow sania, terror & hoyan will seem a lot easier than they are for anyone else

[timber mica]

+1 , hard walled by a single char lol

[warped stump]

tbh the night before the nerf to terror i was like i wonder if i can just hard force this with holden and diting now

and it was actually working fairly consistently lmao

[ornate moth]

True. I rerolled for lily but just because I really liked twin trick and her mechanics/design, in beta she was nowhere near essential and was used less than kraken/marvell/freya/lian etc. in inferno clears. Had no idea she would be so needed

[warped stump]

i made no effort to use shadow sania for terror though, i despise manual runs lmao

lily became so strong because when they obliterated attack bar manipulation, giving your own allies more turns became more valuable as a result

[timber mica]

hm? all my SS runs are auto though, no lily thats all

[warped kestrel]

I got Mio and Dokidoki with my first 40 pulls on my first account, so I ignorantly and naively thought "Heh, 2 LD SSRs, surely this is good enough that I won't need to torture myself rerolling for that Lily character everyone is talking about" - oh how wrong was I, how terribly, terribly wrong was I

[warped stump]

at the time i only knew of manual terror runs or terror runs with specific hyper investment into artisan spam

neither of which i had nor wanted to do

[timber mica]

i see

[timber mica]

i started with only heinrich cause "reroll is a waste of time" and heinrich is a top reroll char based on w/e people were saying, now i have 3 heinrich dupe and not using him in any pve loll

oh well

[warped stump]

i rolled lily in 20 summons and my roommates cursed me out

lmao

wait no it wasn't my roommates it was my guild mates but my roommates did call me a giga sacker anyways

good times

[dreamy cliff]

Lmao

[tall flame]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1387896367002943559

Bro I'm so sad

my inferno strat is now cooked cause of a bug

law of silence doesn't work in terrormaton

still targets your unit

[frozen stone]

And there’s no real strategy to defend ..it’s just a matter of either one shotting the boss before it does it to u or using dot to win
And both are dps race but dots is easier since it scales with hp

[sudden wedge]

that’s good to know, I was planning on void rosa for terror week 1

[cold glen]

Obol is a good option you need some Cdr on him though, and if no lily then must have Tsuki

You need Obol s3 max and cycle his stun on the adds

[gilded mason]

-_-

[pure junco]

Hang in there

[gilded mason]

this one hurts my soul

[ornate moth]

is obol still the move for non-ssania hoyan auto?

or has anyone found alternatives

[graceful juniper]

if there is still no unit that can land dot+cc then obol is the only one

oh wait

[young tree]

can anyone sub for kloss on this team for hoyan?

[indigo oyster]

dinah?

[young tree]

wow someone just used xiada

maybe I don't need to build obol afterall

[dreamy cliff]

100% shadow inferno 🎉

[ornate moth]

is this shadow sania

[nova island]

probably