inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[gilded mason]

My verdict is she is really strong

Definitely gonna be used everywhere

[carmine palm]

depending on how the follow-up is calc'd for time it would make for some funny speed clears when fishing for RNG

[graceful juniper]

Isnt she awful on aurora? Her multihit is not guarantee after 2nd...even with me using xiada full stack sometimes i cant clear the boss stack fast enough

[outer falcon]

Ydcb is going to have an aneurysm. They made Randy into a bow girl LD SSR

[stable dagger]

Yeli ez skip, btw who's planning on pulling her?

[small knot]

Eff acc main on a dps

[gilded mason]

Dunno man got to test her out

If she can reliably steal without acc then more damage better

[orchid needle]

won't need a stripper for inferno terror either

[small knot]

She’s not rosa she doesn’t need to apply her own debuffs it would be nice to apply them but atp the dps loss isn’t worth it

Just run a dedicated debuffer

[orchid needle]

terror comp might be yeli lily kloss/healer cachiTG valerian

[small knot]

Focusing on her buff steal is hella niche tho

Low chance

It wasn’t a major factor of xiada kit so it shouldn’t be a major factor in yeli kit

[orchid needle]

i think the difference tho is that xiada just spams ult, which doesn't steal, whereas yeli spams s1, which has the steal

golden lion seems really good for her, can also run that one line on the right with ramping effect accuracy or go constant dmg

[small knot]

Will need testing

I think rev would still be better tho

[gilded mason]

Lily + her would be really good

And battlewill

[clever tapir]

Her max dupe ult is 3 turns cd

Lily + her + doki doki (speed, final dmg perm buff + cd reduction for mia + mia(cd reduction)+ tsukiomi(atk def buff and cd reduction)

Gggzz

[jolly marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FymhnJ_B6kk My non-dot solution to auto Inferno Terrormaton with Lily and diting.. before hp nerf if it helps anyone after hp nerf

[fickle hare]

does anyone know the veronika khloros comp for terror?

[surreal bobcat]

very nice

relatable gear too, what a beast

[jolly marlin]

yeah I have triple matrix on diting but i used my old set I had on khloros to try and be realistic, hope it helps you guys draft your comp! ultimately its fury momentum requirement and have a lot of effectiveness to land + speed.. Codex too

still a bit tough without lily because of tempo boss will recast, ill find a solution, cause i know not everyone has her

[shadow sage]

Kloss XD should add another targeted banner for her

[jolly marlin]

true, im not sure if dinah can do the same i had to use a lot of resources for other things so i reset my dinah can't test maybe someone else can!

[charred minnow]

damn yeli looking good

nice revelation user too

[shadow sage]

she's really good since she has spd - def debuffs and dmg reduction on her S3 lol. Didn't regret using my target banner for Rilmocha though, since my account has bad luck for DPS

[jolly marlin]

I had to select rosa and ran hell 4 DokiDoki with her, until a few days ago right before 2x i got rilmocha lol. I understand the pain

[brave heath]

ngl yeli looks way less op than i thought they'd make her

looks kinda meh

thought they actually were gonna make her the solution to dungeons rofl

[foggy reef]

Guys as you know, White fang can be found with fury kneeye and furyedge? Because i have spent over 40.000 stamina only on niconana inferno and never seen a fking Fury kneeye and furyedge

[brave heath]

40k is a gross overexaggeration

[foggy reef]

But its the reality

[brave heath]

yes and i've spend 200k on doki

[foggy reef]

I spent over 2k a day since 2 weeks

[pure junco]

So for Yang, you need spd and crit% right?

[brave heath]

even if you did 2k every day for 2 weeks, thats still not 40k, and i guarantee you didnt do 2k in nico inferno only for 2 weeks

if you farmed shells during 2x lol

[foggy reef]

I did, and well its not 40k but something about that

[brave heath]

skill issue shoulda done something else during 2x

[foggy reef]

X2 last for Just 2 days , but i used all the refill potion before that

I saved Just 5 pot for the x2

And found nothing good , shit event

X2 Need on shells

Its the most important thing

But well, someone know if Is possibile tò found White fang with Fury kneeye and furyfkingedge?

Or im Just throwing the fking stamina for nothing

[dreamy cliff]

It is. I'm actively looking for that one too lol

[sour lotus]

Lion with Gaze

[sour lotus]

Golden Lion + Focus + Gaze = 128% ACC for Yeli for free without using ACC Module pieces so you can build DPS

[gilded mason]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-sign-of-the-cross-praying-hoping-asustado-gif-5713430573120071025

[brave heath]

her activation rates too low baseline i feel like you're kinda just building her for dps or as a heinrich 2.0

inferno resist is too high to half ass and get to like 120 accuracy and think its gonna do well

at her rates

[rocky garden]

🧢

[sour lotus]

It's not too low

30% with every follow up is high

you're going to do 30% atleast 3 times every turn

[brave heath]

30% when you have only 120% accuracy vs inferno resists is pretty low if you wanted something consistent

[sour lotus]

multi hit is a factor

[brave heath]

yes but its still inconsistent

you would need high accuracy for it to be consistent vs inferno stuff

this has 2x the activation rate and always hits 4x, guess how often this shit lands in dokidoki 🤣

altho not actually sure if the multihit part is supposed to def break actually

[errant dome]

just did a 10 pull before quitting for good and got mio

i cant quit now

[charred minnow]

my first white fang in inferno had those 3 idk

[pure junco]

Lol so mio changed your mind

Farming 100 White Fangs should be an achievement

[errant dome]

top tier rta character

[jolly relic]

mio is cute

[charred minnow]

I wish all of you who were almost able to kill Niconana and Terrormaton on inferno goodluck with the nerfs after the maint

[keen salmon]

Just really wanna see Inferno be clearable without needing DoT teams haha

Something gotta be wrong if you gotta abuse DoT to clear content

[charred minnow]

it's not really abuse, but yeah I get you

[errant dome]

now we need an inferno hoyan nerf and game is good

[indigo oyster]

clearable but you need RNG hoyan with almost max skill

[errant dome]

how am i gonna farm BiS revelation for yeli without a consistent inferno hoyan team

[surreal bobcat]

we need more than that, but its a start

[errant dome]

also gold lattice is becoming a problem since new characters are all wanting max skills to be effective

[pure junco]

Cute is impossible to beat

[errant dome]

the rate of release of new characters far outpaces gold lattice distribution, even if u buy packs

[charred minnow]

better release a reconfig with every new character release hahah

[errant dome]

should make reconfig permanent

just make it cost like a fixed 500 gems or sumthing

[finite palm]

Does anybody have a good Sharon team without Lily?

[charred minnow]

I'll yeet in that little ratmocha in there so quick

[charred minnow]

it's like the devs don't want our money

[pure junco]

I don't think I faced her on inferno yet, truth be told she hasn't encountered my newly built SS

[twilit vault]

at least until the PVE meta is solved, the summit arena season is 100 days too so you could keep the reset period up for 30 days or even longer

[keen salmon]

Was able to clear Ember Trek Hard 42, but can't do Inferno.

[pure junco]

I've seen people say this a lot

[true trench]

i saw astarte in hard mode and dipped lol

my massiah E did like 20% of the ads hp in p1

bye bye

[pure junco]

RIP

[keen salmon]

but the rewards

[charred minnow]

because 1 is balanced around difficult mechanics, the other is balanced around full RNG and difficult mechanics

I have to clear all of Ethernet Rally today

[pure junco]

Good luck

[keen salmon]

I gave up on that. Tiamat one shotting my team

[twilit vault]

evi posted some teams earlier for those, they might help

[charred minnow]

nice to know I'll see what I can do on myself first tho

[scarlet quartz]

me and you both

[charred minnow]

OMG ITS AI(ns) JACKKKK

[scarlet quartz]

LOL

[scarlet quartz]

Ains? no rumors please.

[charred minnow]

I like your pronouns ngl

[scarlet quartz]

[charred minnow]

very curious to see if the next United Front will be unbalanced or not

[scarlet quartz]

We got shitters

highest guy is lvl 46

i think

LOL

[charred minnow]

oof

[scarlet quartz]

they will NOT get run over by 300 speed units

surely

[charred minnow]

[scarlet quartz]

Man having lattices to max my kazuyo S1 would be hella good rn

[charred minnow]

need to rng 9 more inferno rengokutsu wins for a gold lattice

[scarlet quartz]

may god bless you

You have lily diting? that's what's prevelant there right?

but i think furyedge diting

Kloss Valerian Diting Lily is what i saw i think?

maybe I'm crazy

[charred minnow]

I have that all

keeneye fury furyedge diting, kloss lv3 s3, lily 5/5/1, valerian

[scarlet quartz]

uhhh skill issue farm niconana terror first?

[charred minnow]

will that solve my rng problems 😮

[scarlet quartz]

yes. no rumors

[charred minnow]

thanks jainsck

[surreal bobcat]

we got an even match union level wise (lvl20 union) so we will see how that goes

[scarlet quartz]

I think u can check them out somehow

someone scouted ours but no idea where

[charred minnow]

what's your union level?

[scarlet quartz]

if he says even match i would assume 20

but everyone is 20

so

[charred minnow]

that's why I asked

maybe not 20

[twilit vault]

is silence the biggest issue in Rengoku?

haven't touched that boss yet

[surreal bobcat]

20

[charred minnow]

silence is annoying, but his dmg is the problem mostly

his adds do too much imho

[left snow]

do we even know hoew many attacks does yeli does ?

to say rev is bis on her ?

i might have missed it but for all we know she is a single attacker no ?

[charred minnow]

3

on ult

[lyric wasp]

Imagine the answer by dev to the comment about "pls adjust inferno" is by getting yeli

[left snow]

[charred minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNK9VFDtpI

[left snow]

i must have missed it then

[turbid ridge]

3 ult + 1 gurantee single target follow + potentially more

[twilit vault]

tempted to get her just to have a goto bossing option for Ethernet Rally tbh

[upbeat breach]

can be infinite

[lean vector]

need lilly banner

[upbeat breach]

Well, she can one shot any boss, just need to be lucky 🤣

[sly ravine]

honestly, I think she is the missing link for my sharon stage 2 green+yellow ethernet rally team

[small knot]

Rta characters in the pve oriented game

Lilyeli: restart is not a pvp turn based gacha game

[ashen blade]

Yeli is just a Lily buff fr

[lyric wasp]

Lmao yeah, imagine the followup proc 10 times because blessed with rng 😂

[upbeat breach]

imagine losing to that in RTA 🤣

[twilit vault]

also, would finally have a use for Battlewill pieces lol

not using Fangus atm so they're just sitting in storage currently

[lyric wasp]

Gonna be tilt af. Like stacked tiamat / holden shred by revelation + follow up yeli 🤣

[upbeat breach]

Yep will be even more annoying than rosa

[warped dune]

Yeli is like raoq from sw no

[lyric wasp]

Like raoq yeah, but with impactful multiplier. Raoq in sw dont get access to revelation. Because such rune never exist.

[vague violet]

We have a solution to the Inferno issues: her banner drops today. You’re welcome.

[warped dune]

I personally dont see how she changes anything

the only good thing is that we now have a elemental neutral aoe defense down

but if it comes down to damage

shes just worse than xiada

[lyric wasp]

How's she worse than xiada when her s1 can proc 3 times? That's alrdy 240 x 3 = 720% . @warped dune

[graceful juniper]

Isnt her ST is better...since its 720 multiplier if proc 3 times

[charred minnow]

idk 3x 120 + follow ups (that can steal buffs btw)

[lyric wasp]

Xiada not even close than 720% per s3 at max evolve

[charred minnow]

Xiada can't self cleanse

atk- on Yeli? who cares

[surreal bobcat]

the only thing that stops yeli is hard cc or silence

[turbid ridge]

im not even sure xiada can deal more dmg on the long run even with 0 cd on ult. Depends all on how often yeli can proc it in practice

[warped dune]

I dont understand, if it comes down to aoe shes worse than xiada and if we talk about single target shes just worse than rosa

[charred minnow]

Xiada also doesn't self crit rate buff

[turbid ridge]

on single target boss shes better for sure

[surreal bobcat]

also this

[open fable]

So battlewill momentum/keeneye for yeli

[lyric wasp]

Worst than rosa? Rosa just can followup 1 per turn. Not every turn of her

[open fable]

On revelation

Rosa debuffs needs to be 2 turns

[turbid ridge]

lets see if reve stayd the same ....

[graceful juniper]

Well if its multiple enemies.....xiada do more

[marsh topaz]

what's the maintenance for? have they finally listened?

[charred minnow]

Rosa: needs debuff to apply and stick for long enough to do significant follow ups
Yeli: goes brrr

[turbid ridge]

yeli is jsut 3-4 units combined in 1 with neutral element

[graceful juniper]

She doesnt need to land debuff to do follow up attack....thats kinda trade off

[turbid ridge]

like massa good in verything but not the best

on paper at least

[charred minnow]

hell yeli needs the same kind of investment like Rosa/Xiada

[lyric wasp]

If we put into situation, where 4 units oer team, like inferno shell farming. So... Yeah. How she gonna keep proc ?

Like.. u gonna carry val. And val do nothing

[turbid ridge]

but the vid was weird bc they fought nighmare stages with 6 piece battlewill but max dupe. very weird

[lyric wasp]

Then left lily and another one. So the other 2 will also build with crit?

[charred minnow]

she's going to be decently balanced as an LD unit
has good utility, will do nice? dmg in aoe

[warped dune]

Bro yeli has a chance to follow up on her own abilities. So even if we assume that she s3 into s1 twice, it still doesnt compare to rosa who follow ups 4 times if she is the sec unit in line in a 5 man team and i didnt even mention how broken revelation is.

[muted kraken]

was doing some math and yeli seems kinda crazy. anyone else look take a look at it?

[lyric wasp]

There, thanks

[charred minnow]

first follow up chance is 100% maxed S2 or 75% on base stats

[graceful juniper]

You mean battlewill increase her follow attack up chance every time it try to roll?

[lyric wasp]

S3 > 100% s1 > 60 s1 > 36 s1

[warped dune]

battlewill doesnt work like that

[turbid ridge]

i think it counts seperate from passiv (battlewill) so not higher % just throw a dice one more time

everytime she triggers passiv you got 20% battlewill thats how i would udnerstand it

[graceful juniper]

So every her follow up attack it will roll battlewill,then after battlewill it will roll her passive again?

[muted kraken]

I assumed everytime her passive triggers her basic atk you get a 20% chance to trigger battlewill

[turbid ridge]

possible

[lyric wasp]

Or battlewill not really working. Look at lily. U slap battlewill on her, and it will never work

[warped dune]

battle will gives you only 20% chance to follow up for the first follow up. The moment you get the follow up, battle will is offline, so you cant follow up back to back with battle will

[graceful juniper]

Now does it reset or nah? Like imagine after battlewill her passive follow up reset

[upbeat breach]

isnt battlewill just on the basic hit?

[muted kraken]

I'm hoping they intended for it to work since they show it off in the trailer as well

[turbid ridge]

her follow up is basic hit

[upbeat breach]

not even sure if they will trigger battle will and follow up as different triggers

[lyric wasp]

Can proc after skill cast.my fangus and sania keep procing it

[turbid ridge]

well it needs some testing for sure it could be any of these ideas

[upbeat breach]

Yes, but on the first hit right? It cant proc from follow up atacks

[lyric wasp]

Ah yes that's true

[turbid ridge]

After the Animus uses an attack skill, there is a 20% chance to launch Follow-up Attack on the main target. (Battlewill)

dosnt say anything about limits

[lyric wasp]

Only once afaik, my sania and fangus never proc more than 1 follow up from battlewill

[turbid ridge]

i mean its 20%

1/5

[warped dune]

Also it depends on the coding, because battle will could actually be terrible for yeli

[turbid ridge]

i would wait and let ppl test before pulling to get a better idea

[native echo]

I was on hell1 5 days ago i manage my resources wisely now i auto farm hell4 dont blame game blame your own mind and decisions.

[left snow]

what does that have to do with anything

are you on the wrong channel

[vague violet]

Her being neutral element automatically makes her more valuable than Rosa

[warped dune]

shes literally only more valuable than rosa into green units

[turbid ridge]

she got the same problems in pvp as rosa. I dont even think she will be good in pvp

if the cleanse was a passiv she would be good

[left snow]

was her kit officially and fully released ?

[vague violet]

You might want to wait till you see her multipliers and how she performs.

[left snow]

outside of the TLDR

[vague violet]

I’m guessing she’s busted af

Once ppl gear her

[warped dune]

I mean like i said, i assume shes good but nothing outstanding and battle will is probably terrible on her, but that depends on the coding.

[fickle hare]

boutta drop 10k on her, jk

[lyric wasp]

Well, if it ever proc more than once, i alrdy can see it. But it never happened. Been using for a week for both. Never once i saw it proc more than one time.

[left snow]

it does seem to be hard coded to not fua more than once

[eager vector]

just wait to see how unit is before going ham on yeli

[turbid ridge]

maybe it cant proc from battelwill itself but it could be reset if she follow upo with her passiv

[warped dune]

I am only waiting for the next shitstorm, where people assume shes broken because of battle will, but then realize that the effect overlaps which means its actually terrible for her. Then people want to get their money back, because they feel misslead because of the Yeli video where they used battle will on her. I am telling you guys, just wait.

[lyric wasp]

Yeah, and also.will.not proc when unit do follow up. Like fangus, or when sania assist.( Lily twin trick )

[left snow]

yep

[turbid ridge]

they had 6 piece battlewill on the vid

XD

[pure junco]

How many units do follow-ups

[eager vector]

still gonna try to summon for her with my measly 46 LD tickets

[lyric wasp]

And idk why in video the dev put battlewill, like somehow, redundant build lmao.

[eager vector]

but not too fond on the thought of using gems to summon for her

[left snow]

i think this is just related to translation team not doing a good job

[lyric wasp]

It comes to the question, do they really play / understand their game lmao

[left snow]

like they are translating the exact same mechanic differently for different characters

[upbeat breach]

Can Rosa proc both battle will and follow up atack?

[left snow]

for whatever the reason

[pure junco]

No

[upbeat breach]

It can be a good reference for her

[pure junco]

They just want 💳

[distant wedge]

these mfs posting it on twitter after 24m lmao

[eager vector]

yea play testing doesn't seem like a thing in this game lol

[warped dune]

it doesnt work on fangus, so it shouldnt work on rosa, which means it probably wont work for yeli neither

[eager vector]

hench a bunch of "patch notes" in the beginning

[left snow]

ive never heard anybody say this tbh

[warped dune]

thats why i am telling you guys, battle will is probably aweful on yeli

[left snow]

not sure where you saw people saying that

[pure junco]

I wonder why their PR team is slow sometimes

[left snow]

also heinrich being up there with lily & ssania for pve is diablolical

[distant wedge]

probably just one guy

[lyric wasp]

Or the one that work behind the codes and the mechanic, dont really communicate with marketing / multimedia department lmao

[distant wedge]

[warped dune]

because of the time difference

[eager vector]

thats even worse

[arctic plover]

my best guess is to try to do nerfed terrormaton with khloros veronika diting valerian dinah.

but yeah...

[upbeat breach]

It is all up to the coding gods. If they have common sense it is good, if it they are lazy it is crap

[pure junco]

😅 Ugh... Hope he's paid enough for that man

[eager vector]

imagine working in a company that doesn't communicate

[stable dagger]

should throw him to the dumpster

[eager vector]

[left snow]

honestly for pve i cant think of a single reason to use him over viper or holden

[upbeat breach]

No idea why they would code two different triggers in the same way

[left snow]

🤷‍♂️

[arctic plover]

wait we didn't bring holden and you don't have him in the list -- it's joever

[turbid ridge]

do they nerf ethernet nico/tiamat with this patch?

[arctic plover]

they asked chargpt what sets to use

[turbid ridge]

before reset

[stable dagger]

if you can survive yes, he's my first 6 star with max s3 now he's still waiting on the bench

[upbeat breach]

tiamat was bugged too?

[finite palm]

Can't Rosa proc battlewill when she ults for 9 hits of revelation? Iirc some people were using that or am I misunderstanding the argument? (Or lied to)

[turbid ridge]

she was busted

[warped dune]

doesnt have anything to do with common sense or lazy work. Its just how they intented it. I mean battle will literally doesnt work on any follow up unit, so i dont know why people should start hating it now. Maybe because they think LD's should be treated differently.

[young zealot]

Wasn’t it with Yang’s S3?

[turbid ridge]

bramble time

[upbeat breach]

more like all units should be able to use it

[left snow]

probably because as a revelation user she values atk more than crit but even then just use harvest instead of battlewill

[warped dune]

battle will cant proc from a follow up

[eager vector]

Etheria: LDs or Restart

[pure junco]

Speaking of Rev? Wasn't there supposed to be a change for it too

[upbeat breach]

Just a correction to the ingame buff

[ashen blade]

Battle will on khloros with maxed S1 is a legit build no cap

[left snow]

they were gonna nerf it but they realized its not sustainable to nerf things during season

[eager vector]

lets see if yeli S1 has other effects first

[left snow]

im assuming they will nerf revelation after RTA season ends in 100 days

[eager vector]

we still dunno her kit really

only like a light desciption

[warped dune]

I mean we know it doesnt, so they intented it that way. If it should or shouldnt work in a specific way is just a subjective take, imo i dont care.

[errant dome]

BW only procs after a character gets its turn and does an attack

[lyric wasp]

At least change for pvp. Stick the samw for pve. That's xiada last lifeline lmao. Revel nerf on pve, then she's also gets the same impact.

[warped dune]

Not sure if thats optimal tho xD

[errant dome]

but even without BW yeli is broken af

[eager vector]

tbh what is optimal anymore

[pure junco]

Lol they really love making things harder

[eager vector]

its all determined by the shell we farm anyways

rngesus got us by the balls in this game man

[clear gulch]

Why does yeli has so boring kit? Shes literally light rosa

[ashen blade]

Yeli is just a Lily buff in disguise

[charred minnow]

any of you know what this bug is referring to

[lyric wasp]

And the power of max dupe. That 10% extra damage, is like 10% increase of final damage. The add or increment is no joke. Like that extra 12% coming from freya nightmare. It looks little, but damn, it's impactful as heck.

[charred minnow]

as in what is the burn stack bug

[left snow]

they should just take their time off when making new characters

instead of pumping out them constantly every 2 weeks

they probably got lazy and copy pasted 2 different kits and called it a day

[pure junco]

Then they won't get 💳

[eager vector]

yea ppl were smoking crack when they said dupes don't matter in week 1

[warped dune]

i personaly would take lily over yeli kek

[clear gulch]

No care if they pump out chars like that, they are easy optainable if you save pulls. They need to fix their shit game together thats the issue

[errant dome]

someone earlier said it best, LD combines regular SSR +SR kits into one char

[thin crystal]

are we happy with the inferno changes

[eager vector]

every dupe was basically a +9 triple roll of a sub stat in gear

dunno how they thought it was nothing

[distant wedge]

yes

[warped dune]

il be honest they probably killed terror and nino xD

[thin crystal]

why killed ?

[left snow]

nico nerfs are pretty big

[distant wedge]

especially niconana

[left snow]

and she was already the easiest shell farm

[pure junco]

Mixed. I'm okay with it(even though I didn't struggle with Niconana)

[true trench]

whales are always gonna downplay their advantage

[warped dune]

because these nerfs are insane, especially the niconana one

[left snow]

but i think its a good change, allows peopel to get into inferno easier

[errant dome]

they made auto more consistent with these nerfs

[left snow]

meanwhile hoyan is still a menace

[thin crystal]

just use dot team bro /s

[distant wedge]

do you guys want another difficulty where it drops only mythics shells or modules with 3 matrixes only?

[errant dome]

no

[left snow]

i think they should just remove gold shell drops from inferno

make it like 10-20%/80-90% red shells

3 matrix vs 2 matrix

[clear gulch]

No just ger rid of 2 matrix in inferno

[eager vector]

exactly like why would the devs add an animus shop in the damn game if dupes didn't matter? lol

[distant wedge]

[distant wedge]

so f2p doesnt get left in the dust?

it is a good shop

[errant dome]

in other gacha key mechanics were often paywalled behind 3 dupe bonuses

at least here its just a stat buff

[distant wedge]

yep

[left snow]

i remember the old gacha days where you couldnt level a character if you didnt have dupes

needed dupes to actually level a certain point

[errant dome]

which doesnt impact a units usefullness at 1 star vs max dupe

sure u do less damage but at least your stuns /cc / skills work the same as 6 star

[eager vector]

feels like it does matter especially in pvp since there are eff acc and resists in some dupes

[charred minnow]

atleast dupes only affect 1 character unlike e7 where dupes can give teamwide benefits (although the benefits aren't that insane like all the effects from dupes in ER)

[errant dome]

barely, its like 8% per line

[left snow]

i dont think i would have won many that i lost, or any of the matches i lost if i had max dupes

[errant dome]

i think base stat and final dmg are what makes dupes strong

[charred minnow]

10% dmg increase + reduction on 5th dupe is wild tho

[pure junco]

Dupes are just small bonuses

[left snow]

yeah 5th dupe is the wild one others are kinda whatever

[distant wedge]

it is what it is, there r no other gaxha do dupe system like this, it is good

[errant dome]

but if they spend that much let them have it idc

[charred minnow]

yeah it's fine

[eager vector]

thing is it makes me wonder what they cooking for max duped units

[true trench]

there's no speed stat in there so its fine

[charred minnow]

especially since eventually you'll get characters duped out even as f2p from pulling on perm banner

[eager vector]

cuz they really want us to max dupe lian for sure

[pure junco]

What is F2P? 🤡

[eager vector]

or atleast thats what the summon shop and hyperlink mission is leading me to think

[true trench]

f2p is when you get the monthly and only buy the double topups

[upbeat breach]

Are we even pulling on perm banner? I am not sure we will have enough tickets for both unit banner and perma banner

[lyric wasp]

True, like come on. Everyone has access to ladderboard now right, to check the team and the strat.

Now look at inferno rengo and inferno sharon. Dude.. it's like MAJORITY running max dupe diting.

And i just got my max dupe diting yesterday. Bro. The dmg between 1 copy and max dupe, just like night and day, for diting case.

[true trench]

if you want to get a bit extra you turn into a f2p with QoL

[charred minnow]

if you pull on unit banner as f2p without waiting you're trolling yourself

you let whales see if the unit is game changing if not save pulls or pull on perm banner

[left snow]

not really, there are times where its a good idea

if you already have good SSR's from perma, pulling on holden is a good idea

[charred minnow]

I was still typing >: (

[upbeat breach]

Holden was a good idea for example

[charred minnow]

no

[charred minnow]

yes but Hoyan less so

[eager vector]

tbh f2p can barely build a SSR with skill ups per month

its like 1 max skill a month

[upbeat breach]

I think it is under one SSR per month

[true trench]

and how many new SSRs can they pull a month?

[weak meteor]

u cant say that or those ppl will say u just need to invest wisely lmaooo

[upbeat breach]

But whales are not that much better either, they have 1.5 instead of 1 SSR per month

[left snow]

yeah well i agree that they should either increase lattice income

[eager vector]

most already got like 10-12 SSRs by now

[left snow]

or slow out on new character releases so you need less lattice

22 days into a game but 3 new characters being released is unheard of

[charred minnow]

ye

[left snow]

some gachas dont release a single character 22 days in lol

[pure junco]

💳 💳 💳

[true trench]

as long as you get more lattice than units per month you'll eventually max them all. just keep on grinding 😹

[charred minnow]

not even

[eager vector]

grinding but lattice is time gated lol

[left snow]

i think its just terrible policy choices from devs

[eager vector]

or paywalled

[pure junco]

Do it. Take out that card

[charred minnow]

they would make so much more money if they would release Yeli limited banner AND a targeted LD banner (without Yeli as an option)

[true trench]

fine. keep on waiting

[charred minnow]

I did already wdymmm

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[upbeat breach]

dont give them ideas

[left snow]

also they should just rerun some of the old characters instead

[charred minnow]

why not?

[pure junco]

Drop 90k

Trust

[charred minnow]

for ppl who want Lily

[lyric wasp]

THIS THISSSS THISSSSS

[charred minnow]

I mean ye 100%

[left snow]

like 2 weeks of new character banner > 2 weeks of already existing characters rerun etc

[true trench]

we already ragepulled all of our currency in perma banner so that wont help much

[left snow]

imagine instead of yeli tomorrow it was a lily banner

[errant dome]

LMAO

true

[charred minnow]

but I like how E7 has selector banners for their Moonlight characters inbetween limited moonlight releases @left snow

[eager vector]

i feel like we should get lattice pieces from weekly etherena rewards

[pure junco]

Lol so many wished that

[left snow]

yes they need to like actually touch grass and chill with new releases

[eager vector]

like 10 week won't kill them

[pure junco]

Lily Restart give everyone

[eager vector]

10 a week

[pure junco]

Lily

[charred minnow]

let's find some more shadow nerfs!

[left snow]

oh no

my stamina got overcapped due to long maintenance

am i bricked

[charred minnow]

💀

50 coins

[eager vector]

bricked from what tho

[left snow]

LMFAO

[clear gulch]

Not nerfing every inferno stage nor handing out a lily banner after almost month, tells you how greedy this company is.

[eager vector]

losing 1 stamina from failing inferno cuz of rng lol

[true trench]

less than me. did a 10 refresh a few mins before that maintenance happened and now i need to manual 1.1k stam

😹

[left snow]

game hates you

i got 1 yeli in my mail

bro was given 50 coins

[charred minnow]

I had 300 maint comp aswll lmao

[left snow]

🤣

[left snow]

oh nvm lol

cant read

[charred minnow]

it's ight lmao

[left snow]

insert gacha players cant read moment

[eager vector]

tarrif cuts even in maintenance compensation

[pure junco]

Is the banner gonna be like ten days?

[left snow]

isnt it like tomorrow

[pure junco]

I mean the ending of it

[hexed jay]

they even sent me the twitch drops I never got 2 weeks ago wow

[graceful juniper]

There is a boss that get stronger everytime it got buff...so buff block is good vs it

[left snow]

i still dont have it

[pure junco]

Time to test the Nerfs

[muted kraken]

already buffed compared to the trailer?

[scarlet quartz]

lol

[pure junco]

They did it again huh

[errant mountain]

Aint no way

[graceful juniper]

No change....false alarm

[pure junco]

Nice

[tribal osprey]

Jesus she is 120 speed

[muted kraken]

they buffed that from the trailers too lol

[tribal osprey]

Yeah to 50% to def break

[left snow]

her mod seems good for a revelation user as well

just as pure dps

[fickle hare]

for anyone interested in inferno niconana, i cleared it with rosa, marvel, freya, holden

[tribal osprey]

Yeah cause she already gets at least 4 hits already on one target and 3 on the rest

[frozen stone]

Yeah nothing changed about terror

[left snow]

pretty sure it was scheduled for tomorrow no ?

or am i mixing up dates

[scarlet quartz]

was today

[left snow]

oh

[scarlet quartz]

it's out

[left snow]

[young zealot]

It was during the maintenance we got just now

[frozen stone]

• charged back good luck

[scarlet quartz]

based

[jolly marlin]

Diting after hp nerf not that he needed it lol xd

[left snow]

can i see your diting ?

[jolly marlin]

its in this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FymhnJ_B6kk&feature=youtu.be for gear / speed tune sry if im reposting lol

[charred minnow]

I mean ye it's just some hp removed

[left snow]

yeah seems about right

i prefer atk stack on my diting, since he already gets a bunch of CDMG + cr bonus

[pure junco]

Haha that HP decrease wasn't enough huh?

At least you have the fate collab coming up 👍 no worries

[solemn swallow]

Well, inferno Nico is beatable now by my setup. Invest lvl: Lingluo 1/1/1 on Artisan, Tsuki 1/1/1 on Black Flag(💀 ), Viper 1/1/5 on Artisan, Rosa 1/5/5 on Revelation.
Still need to win some rng during the fight, not consistent, probably not autoable.

[scarlet quartz]

what are the run times

[solemn swallow]

2:15

[left snow]

i dont think you should use tsukiyo mi there

[charred minnow]

niconana is a joke now lmao

[scarlet quartz]

Privet

[left snow]

cachi, valerian etc would make it autoable

[spiral musk]

i swear to god this comp will be much more easier if the AI lingluo allow to spamming skill

[solemn swallow]

Huh? She gives ATK+Speed buffs, also speed-ups the Rosa rotation by advancing her and reseting her CD on Revelation+s3

I can try it with Valerian, but not so sure about her in place of Tsuki

[scarlet quartz]

I think tsuki is pretty good for nico

[spiral musk]

i have a similiar comp but replace rosa with xiada, still runnable but so much RNG bcs of the lingluo

[solemn swallow]

Like she checks Nico's mechanics and reset Revelation + artisans + Viper s3

[scarlet quartz]

that shit

takes 50 years

that's a 5 clear per 15 minute angle

at least before the nerf

5 clears every 15 minutes with rng still to them is like putting people in guantanamo

It does however work

[stable dagger]

how much stamina can we get on daily rn? is it 50+50+stabilizer?

[scarlet quartz]

Oh i didnt mean to attack you

Just thought it's important to mention before people copy it

cause that shit will eat your soul before u get through your stamina

[trail sleet]

Did they even roll out the nerfs today? Because the bosses feel literally no different.

[scarlet quartz]

They did

niconana feels quite a bit easier

[solemn swallow]

SeiiMore used kinda same team, but with Obol in place of Fangus in his vid. Team died during auto-fight💀

[scarlet quartz]

terrormaton is still very much a unit check

[trail sleet]

All my characters are pretty much maxed in the best stuff they can get and still can't clear it.

I'm thinking it's about time to Old yeller this game.

[scarlet quartz]

You can send a ss of your units and people can try to cook for u

reality is u are etiher spending your whole day on it or u cant clear it all

most likely*

[solemn swallow]

Yes, that was my best pre-nerf result on Nico. Now i can clear it at least on manual💀
Not sure about Terror, he is still probably hard stuck for me. But gonna try it out.

[scarlet quartz]

I would recommend it yeah

the faster people try terror and call out the bs the better

[errant mountain]

Ikr

[trail sleet]

I completely agree. Why even make the PVP what it is if you're going to make everybody spend hours upon hours trying to beat high-end content

[spiral musk]

💀 faster than pre nerf about 1 minute

[errant mountain]

The insistance on overstatted gear dungeons is gonna run this game into the ground if they keep it up

[pure junco]

Money.

[spiral musk]

but still so inconsistance

[pure junco]

🤷‍♂️ Of course, how else will they sell us a solution for optimization

[scarlet quartz]

Trust they will keep monitoring and fix it next week surely

no rumors.

Shafting even some whales is a power move

gotta give em that at least ig

[solemn swallow]

Yeah, not even close. That team with Freya in place of Holden 3 stars Hell 4 on auto. He just deals too much dmg. Keep in mind, my Holden (254 speed) ain't out speeding Main-body (i just dont have gear to outspeed💀 ) but i doubt something gonna change even if i outspeed. May be i can tank 1 more hit with initial attack down from Holden. But no way in hell im gonna reach to the point of killing him.

[scarlet quartz]

Uhhh no veronika I'm guessing?

[solemn swallow]

Ofc no, why would i use Valerian if i had her lol

[scarlet quartz]

hey hey hey

[solemn swallow]

No Lily/SSania/Veronica

[scarlet quartz]

Yeah pack it up

[solemn swallow]

So no Terror for me i guess

[left snow]

main body has 262 speed so you need 263

or get to 262 and coin flip it

[scarlet quartz]

go check some speed gear with the abundance of coins u got

[winged ocean]

fastest clear in EU no lily/ssania/veronika

[scarlet quartz]

[solemn swallow]

Thats what i said, i dont have gear. Like how do i get it, paint or what?🥹
At its still ain't chaning sh*t for my comp. May be(!) i can survive 1 more rotation with initial attack-down. Its still not even close.

[distant wedge]

manual nice

[scarlet quartz]

could be auto

does require beyontin

[trail sleet]

Yeah well, the more likely thing that is to happen. Is an end of service announcement.

And then by next year they will name it something slightly different and re-release it and hopefully it will be in a much more playable state but.

At this point, the entire game feels like a quick cash grab.

[distant wedge]

s2 on diting? beyo aint doing that on auto

she too dumb

[left snow]

do you have red passive on holdens artisan ?

i mean speed

[scarlet quartz]

oh i forgot LOL

yeah that unit is horsecock

[solemn swallow]

Not yet, spend yesterday 1.5 mil currency on rerolling shell-passives. Never saw better than purple💀

[left snow]

thats rough

hm can you send your gear for holden ?

[graceful juniper]

Hey stop before they buff her again

[scarlet quartz]

yeah too much variety in niconana now for my taste

[solemn swallow]

Thats my fastest gear, so basically i tried my best to reach a speed breakpoint but rip me. Btw, he did land strip+res down+attack down in my attempt.

[scarlet quartz]

we should nerf it

[upbeat breach]

need 263 to outspeed boss

[solemn swallow]

Ik

[upbeat breach]

it is not that hard on 6* units

[scarlet quartz]

6* holden

[upbeat breach]

You just cant have all your good gear in one unit

[solemn swallow]

He is 6 star all my pieces except flat HP on left have 9 speed

flat hp have 5

I legit gave him THE BEST speed gear i have

[upbeat breach]

what is the speed in the pet passive?

[scarlet quartz]

that eff acc is a crazy gamble too

btw

[upbeat breach]

that crit and acc are also way too low

[scarlet quartz]

u can kinda go either or

[solemn swallow]

Already said there?

[graceful juniper]

Isnt this strart need veronica with codex?

[scarlet quartz]

well what else can he do

[upbeat breach]

even with purple you cant hit it? 😦

[solemn swallow]

Well probably yes

[solemn swallow]

As you can see?🤔

[upbeat breach]

no choice, need to go back to farming pets

[scarlet quartz]

you can go spend 8-10 sr lattices u surely have lying around and go for the 4min cachi the cumguzzler strat

[solemn swallow]

Thats what im doing

i mean, it was a brick wall for week, gonna be another week or two

🙃

[fringe delta]

Are the nerfs live

[upbeat breach]

like those?🤣

[scarlet quartz]

yeah

[scarlet quartz]

yeah

terrormaton is very easy now and you should be able to clear it

do not tell him

[graceful juniper]

If you want more sacrifice thinking more spd is helpful...holden s1 got speed increase stats if you not invest it yet

[scarlet quartz]

yo

we are not

skilling up holden s1

that shit is a warcrime

[solemn swallow]

Bro im aint spending 3 gold latices for him right now right there.

Like wtf

xD

[scarlet quartz]

i respect the cook tho

[solemn swallow]

Even if i outspeed main body

[scarlet quartz]

you are kinda cooked ye

[solemn swallow]

im not passing a dps/survive check

[graceful juniper]

I knw....must be the dev asking player to spend gold lattice for spd stats too

[upbeat breach]

It is not worthy. It is better to just farm more instead of using lattice like that

[graceful juniper]

Aint no way the spd they put on inferno are not counting thst in mind

[upbeat breach]

I have 263+ on 3 units in my team, so it is not that hard at all

[graceful juniper]

Either got lucky on spd sub or get those 12/15 spd or smth from s1

[upbeat breach]

But you do need to focus speed gear and speed rolls

[graceful juniper]

Anyway they should just nerf spd by 10% across all treshold...man so fkin bad,i though they nerf the spd too...turn out only for niconana

[upbeat breach]

they already nerfed terror hp by 20%, they dont need to nerf it even harder...

[charred minnow]

leave Cachi alone 😦 he's a nice guy

[upbeat breach]

263 is not a high speed treshhold at all

[graceful juniper]

Just the speed please 🥺 ....its only 10%

[upbeat breach]

go farm pets, simple

[charred minnow]

just let it die once hit by 1 attack ;-;

[graceful juniper]

They just give me bunch of epic too 😭

[upbeat breach]

go farm doki

[scarlet quartz]

they do

it's still a heavy unit check

[graceful juniper]

No my shell are awful....only 1 mythic for dps at 40 awaken...and its not even triple red yet

[inland warren]

I havent even tried new terror but surely wont be able to clear it. Just nerf it more. Niconana is doable now

[upbeat breach]

so why in the hell you want to farm terror?

[graceful juniper]

Nah just discussing about the new terror nerf

[solemn swallow]

Well yeah, ain't changing sh*t. Gave Holden Gigabyte with red Speed, outspeed main body, got strip+attack down. Tanked 2 hits with Holden w/o procing Valerian Cheat-death. Then tanked another Terror rotation with Valerian Cheat-Death from Hazy dream. After that put Invincibility on Diting and tanked another Terror+hand Rotation with Diting under Invincibility. Its still not enough as i thought. Its just closer now.

Like perfect rng in that fight i guess

[scarlet quartz]

how be the dps looking

[warped stump]

terror is quite clearable now, post stats

[winged ocean]

do you have 3 lines shells?

i think the point now with the giga nerf to nico are to get the shells first

[scarlet quartz]

the base stats from 3 line shells are fake af if u look at them

they are not changing anything for him there

[spiral musk]

i thought the 3 line shell only give you more 5 speed

[scarlet quartz]

every base stat gets a little boost

atk is like 60 i think

[solemn swallow]

Not omega-cracked but not the worst either i guess. Once again, the best what i have after farming Aurora and spending module-currency on DPS sets.

[scarlet quartz]

they do look fine

[solemn swallow]

I mean purple CD on Khloros, but 9% CD ain't chaning the fact i cant finish 1/4 of Terrors hp

[spiral musk]

guys its not inferno but is ther any comp for auto terror hell 4 💀 i can auto doki and aurora hell 4 but big skill issue with the terrormaton

[winged ocean]

how much atk is white fang 2 lines?
lvl 40 and awakened

[scarlet quartz]

It's about 60 difference if its for comparisons sake

[winged ocean]

this is 3 liner

[scarlet quartz]

593

so 70

mb mb

[winged ocean]

yeah not as big as i thought tbh, still base stat so it can make a difference, the important thing is that it gives a progress path, if people can't clear even with 3 lines and decent investment then it's a problem

[inland warren]

Obviously you might. Maybe with good rng runs

Still not good enough for what is supposed to be farmable content

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/naocara-gif-951861008809332010

[small knot]

How fast is your kloss

[graceful juniper]

you have lot of weird white fang there

[charred minnow]

lmao

my white fang had onslaught momentum swiftraid tho

[solemn swallow]

She was only 238💀

[scarlet quartz]

onslaught a fraud

[scarlet quartz]

what u running now

[charred minnow]

same old same old

[scarlet quartz]

cant respect it

but i respect it

[charred minnow]

lmao

[true trench]

the "you just need to farm a little more gear" starter pack

[warped kestrel]

The "don't nerf Inferno, you're not supposed to do it 3 weeks of max refreshing into the game" starter pack

[solemn swallow]

💀

[left snow]

these drop rates are depressing

[charred minnow]

yeee

but w/e better winrate

gonna see how this game will hold up with all new releases coming up soon

[left snow]

i had higher wr with cachi in fangus out

but that was before the nerf

had almost 100% wr

[charred minnow]

well I haven't failed one run yet out of 700 stamina

[left snow]

yeah now that its nerfed you shouldnt need cachi

but pre nerf i got random stuns

[charred minnow]

yee

[small knot]

That just might be a problem 💀

[pure junco]

Remember the joke about us being a test server for Asia? Here it is, Ladies and Gentlemen

[charred minnow]

how so

they added new servers to all?

[left snow]

i will go back to fangus team

this version is too slow

and seems like fangus team already has 100% or close to 100% wr

[cold glen]

Ember trek part two has been harder than farming stages

[small knot]

Well it should be

[pure junco]

I didn't mean it literally

[warped kestrel]

Ember Trek/EtherNet should be the "hard" PvE content, farming stages should be 100% wr autobattle background content

That's how it is in every one of this game's competitors

[charred minnow]

breh you got me

[left snow]

yep been saying this for a lon gtime

[scarlet quartz]

what kind of juiced fangus team is faster than 1:30

[left snow]

i meant fangus + ssania package lol

not solo fangus

[small knot]

The one with SSania in it

[scarlet quartz]

I was about to say

[small knot]

[scarlet quartz]

what are we feeding these fangussies

[cold glen]

I only said that cause someone earlier said that inferno is hardest content but it's not lol. I agree with this

[small knot]

The thing is

Ember trek and Ethernet are hard

[scarlet quartz]

terror and nico only

[small knot]

But inferno was such a big wall to overcome when it really shouldn’t have

[scarlet quartz]

you are using past tense

[small knot]

Well it’s less of a wall now

[scarlet quartz]

terror is still terrible without specific units

[small knot]

Not wrong

[scarlet quartz]

or cachi and his goon squad

but then u are not burning your daily stamina in 24 hours

From what I've seen so far it just made Diting+Lily and Diting+Khloros more consistent

[tranquil fog]

whelp, they buff it by 100% and nerf is by 20% later, still mostly unclearable without specific units. and the funny part is, this is supposed to be the easy part of the game that we farm for our pvp gears. F update devs, good job killing a perfectly good game

[distant wedge]

it wasn’t 100% buff

[scarlet quartz]

u cant just look at the hp

[distant wedge]

or was it

[scarlet quartz]

just hp it wasnt no

but speed, def, dmg

all was buffed

[distant wedge]

hmm that’s right forgot about that

[tranquil fog]

it was, some dude made a video about it, comparing the hp% he took off in beta and now

[hexed jay]

terror 99% hp reduction when

[scarlet quartz]

with the defense and hp i believe it could be 2x

[tranquil fog]

anyway, it's been fun guys, fortunately there's plenty of games out there that know what balance means, see you in the next one 👊

[tired socket]

https://tenor.com/view/kl-gif-25745415

[hexed jay]

like what exactly

[scarlet quartz]

one could say

he has never seen it coming

🥁

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-persona-5-gif-7156099863849143410

[hexed jay]

HSR but persona

[scarlet quartz]

based qol

[graceful juniper]

sounds like a game that gonna live for 1 year then goes EoS or forgotten until eos

[scarlet quartz]

at least HSR took more than 2 weeks for 100% hp creep

[hexed jay]

probably gonna get insane power creep as well

you know how they like to milk persona games

[scarlet quartz]

AAA gacha is crazy

i respect it

[graceful juniper]

from my experience for every IP game...they are all business oriented,doesnt care about the game longetivy,its all about profit

i aint even gonna play it bro 🤣

[finite palm]

I just realized how op Yeli will be with Lily (if it works like Rosa)
Everyday I get saltier for not rerolling lmfao, not sure how much more I can handle

[hexed jay]

It is. This is why IP games are generally frowned upon

but it persona and persona fans will suck up anything

Yeah so not really any different from this game then 😂

[graceful juniper]

yea cant really fail anyway....they will just get profit from launch then doesnt give care anymore,if its profitable then it stay but when its not anymore(like even if they still got profit but its low) then to the eos it goes

[left snow]

cant wait for the 50th persona game

where its another copy paste

[graceful juniper]

yup cant wait those IP gacha slop that suck all your money then run away with it 😂

[hexed jay]

I can see it lasting for for quite some time compared to others tho. The game does look good with a lot of nice systems in it. Overall just what you would expect from a gacha in 2025

[graceful juniper]

but its p5....i heard its a cursed collab that game who collab with it then goes EoS

[hexed jay]

Yeah I've seen all that lol

kinda funny

[warped kestrel]

The thing that keeps me pushing forward is the hope that one fateful day I'll see that "D" and it'll be a Lily.

[hexed jay]

I think it's gonna be more of a casual game compared to this. Different target audience

[warped stump]

yes!

i played summoners war when we didnt even have multi auto run this game is doin great so far for me

[left snow]

that mess of a sentence proves you spent too much time complaining and rotted your brain

i had an aneurysm reading it

[warped stump]

having fun with new challenges and stuff, and seems like the devs are tweaking things as time goes on, so i'm confident i'll enjoy the game in a years' time

[warped kestrel]

Summoners War as an absolute piece of shit of a game back then, but it's now 2025. This game isn't competing with 2016 Summoners War and E7, it's competing with 2025 Summoners War and E7.

[warped stump]

also i have friends playing it so that helps

[left snow]

by 2016s standarts it wasnt garbage

you guys have no idea how bad gacha was back then

[fickle hare]

anyone got a team for sharon inferno without lily?

[warped stump]

im pretty sure it wasnt until like 2020 or 2021 we got multi auto run

[hexed jay]

Yeah I think people are forgetting all the things we got that other games like SW didn't have when it released

[warped stump]

regardless, i'm having fun with it

[warped kestrel]

I know, that's why I played it back then. 2016 SW is garbage for 2025 standards.

[warped stump]

im not here to convince the people who want the game to fail, i'm just here to say that i'm having fun and occasionally poke in and give a team mention to someone who wants it

[warped kestrel]

True, but it doesn't matter if it was in 2021 or 2025, what matters is that this game has been released in 2025 and thus, it's competing in 2025.

[hexed jay]

But all the updates they got also didn't come when the game was released. It took time.

[warped stump]

i dont expect a game to implement years of quality of life and have a perfect release regardless of what year it is

[warped kestrel]

Obviously, grass is green. That doesn't change the fact that it's 2025 and this game is competing with those games in 2025, not when they released.

[warped stump]

i expect those things to be added in over time

[hexed jay]

This. It's just unrealistic expectations. It will take time to improve a game. Dubai wasn't built in a day.

[left snow]

seems like you having friends protected your brain from rotting and actually preserved your critical thinking skills in this gacha hellhole

[errant dome]

guys effect acc affect self buff % or only debuff %?

[warped kestrel]

Maybe you don't, but I think most people would, simply because if they don't get the QoL that the competition has, why should they play the less QoL version of the game?

[hexed jay]

Doesn't change the fact that it took time for them to improve in things either.

[warped stump]

idk from my experiences so far (which aren't necessarily the most expansive, to be fair) i've seen a lot of stuff start kind of rocky, they work on implementing desired stuff early and it hits a strong resurgence a bit down the line

[scarlet quartz]

And Etheria can just look at these games now and copy and improve upon them before releasing

[warped stump]

thats generally how i see most live service model games go

not even just in the gacha space

[hexed jay]

Yes, they can certainly implement all these changes withing a very short amount of time.

[warped kestrel]

Absolutely, and it took them way longer than it should have, but again, that is completely irrelevant to this game, because it's a matter of competition. This game is competing with those games in their 2025 state, not with those games in the long years of mismanagement and deleayed QoL updates.

[warped stump]

seems like only debuff%

[hexed jay]

Not to mention the money they got from players to fund the development costs

Let's ignore all that I guess

[warped kestrel]

My only significant complaint about this game is the state of Inferno stages. I don't think they're far behind their competition in any meaningful way in other regards at all.

[warped stump]

but the fact that they're already trying to work on all the things people desire from pvp gachas in terms of pvp content (adding in guild content/ai arena/pvp arena) and that they've actually been receptive to feedback and are working on things people have been asking about (even if they're not necessarily good at the whole communication aspect yet, they did tone down terror and nico so there's positive steps)

[hexed jay]

People generally don't even think about how live service model games are much different from AAA games.

[finite palm]

Is it worth to just blow all my purple tickets on standard banner? Eventually I'll have to get her right?

[hexed jay]

Everything is just different

But people expect AAA quality

and then they get disappointed

[warped kestrel]

That's what I've been doing with that hope. It hasn't worked out for me. Good luck.

[tired socket]

i meannn alot of gachas make more money than AAA titles these days

[finite palm]

Aight, I'll just win

[warped stump]

yea with a AAA game, you are expected to ship an 100% perfect model instantly since that initial release is all the game will have

ideally with live service your 1.0 is squeaky clean but that ain't realistic lol, most live service games your 1.0 is just getting desired stuff out and then tweaking it/updating it to push towards the desired adjustments

[tired socket]

but still takes time to earn money and work on imporvements

[warped kestrel]

Yeah, just win, not pulling Lily is just a skill issue, don't be a noob like me.

[tired socket]

matter of fact most gachas have to launch in unfinished states simply for financial reasons

[left snow]

yep main reason why most launches are slops

then as they get more money from monthly revenue they fix issues

[warped stump]

the wuwa catastrophe is fresh in memory lmao

[left snow]

its not like AAA budget where they can just have everything on launch

and even AAA games have sloppy launches

[warped stump]

1.0 was alright but it was incredibly rough in a lot of areas, but they spent most of 1.0-1.3 tweaking it and fixing it and by the time 2.0 came out it was like a whole new game

[left snow]

yep

[warped stump]

the characterization still sucks but they fixed most of the other issues

[hexed jay]

I'll never forget that 😂

it was sooooo bad

[left snow]

also i used to play e7 and sw and i like this games pvp more

[hexed jay]

a lot worse than this game's release tbh

[left snow]

maybe cause its a breathe of fresh air

[finite palm]

KMS KMS KMS KMS KMS KMS KMS KMS KMS KMS

[warped kestrel]

That's... almost Lily

[jolly relic]

gg

[stable dagger]

https://youtu.be/uh4KVFf4S_Y?si=VjXhTrEIgLMmgSoq

[warped kestrel]

I would trade my SSania for Lily

I'll even throw DokiDoki into the deal

[marsh topaz]

real. at least ssania is somewhat replacable now that nico inferno is nerfed

now give us the reset event and increased drop rates + currencies

[warped kestrel]

DokiDoki served me well with Xiada, she can get Xiada to max passive stacks with a single S3

But she's still no Lily

[marsh topaz]

bruh reroll

[warped kestrel]

I got C2 Borgne too

[tired socket]

?

just spend more retard

if ur a whale u can absolutely buy wins

keep spending

until the units come

[warped kestrel]

C2 Lilith, C2 Lingluo, C3 Rilmocha, C2 Borgne

So many wasted SSRs

[tired socket]

HAHAHA

aight

WHALE

[warped kestrel]

They call $100-200 a goldfish, $1000-2000 a dolphin, $3000+ a whale now

Get with the times

[tired socket]

yes yes ur handsome rich and amazing

[stable dagger]

you forgot the Poseidon and Leviathan smh

[left snow]

wdym keep up with the times

there used to be people who spent 100k+

[warped stump]

dog what the fuck is going on i thought this was the complain about the game not sit here and boost your own ego spot

[left snow]

are you actually sure you are an old gacha player

[warped kestrel]

That's for the mythical $10,000+ spender

[left snow]

back in the day spending 1k$monthly was not considered a whale in a game i played

[muted kraken]

damn, people really be clicking on everything in the shop like its a notification

[azure tundra]

Bro why are yall going nuts in the morning 😭

[left snow]

fat shields

[warped kestrel]

Those people have always been on a category of their own. The breadth of aquatic creatures can't quite describe them.

[left snow]

i remember in a game called ace defender

there was this 1 guy

who spent so much money he had his own customer support readily available 24/7

yeah that guy

[ruby canyon]

thats crazy

[warped kestrel]

There was a guy in a game called Rise of Kingdoms or something like that, who spent $1~2m. This was like 4 or so years ago, so it must be much higher by now.

[ruby canyon]

from what i've heard most whales aren't like super rich oilers they just spend money they dont rly can afford to cause of addiction

[graceful juniper]

both?

[jolly marlin]

https://youtu.be/Fl9YChwW8Uo?si=zbhX-F7wz0uWACi_ join the hoyan cheese club

[warped kestrel]

What kind of self-buff can miss for accuracy to even be applicable?

[graceful juniper]

cleanse?

[warped kestrel]

Can cleanse miss on anythiing that doesn't explicitly say "this can't be cleansed"?

[viscid shard]

linlguo has a chance to cleanse whenever she heals

[graceful juniper]

miss in a sense you dont have 100% chance to cleanse i guess?

[warped stump]

i think theres stuff like lingluo where its not 100%

yeah

[warped kestrel]

Ah

[warped stump]

also freya gets chance to add extra dreamweave stacks

[warped kestrel]

I know accuracy affects Cachi's S3 success rate, but that seems to be a special thing, since it specifies that in there

[viscid shard]

yeah would be interesting to know if lingluo is affected by eff accuracy, i doubt it tho

[errant dome]

i dont think effect acc works for self buffs, if it did then no point maxing rosa s2 no?

[left snow]

yeah her cleanse isnt guaranteed

and afaik eff acc does not help it

[frigid dune]

Is it me or Terror nerf didn't help much?

[warped stump]

it helped me a lot

[errant dome]

if u arent close to beating it already, whats a 20% hp nerf gonna do

[warped kestrel]

If you weren't capable of leaving it at under 20% before the nerf, it does nothing for you.

[tired socket]

helped me alot as well

i see a bunch of different teams in recent clears today so it def did help

[scarlet quartz]

well u dont want acc on rosa

[tired socket]

whether it helpe du eprsonally or not

[scarlet quartz]

i helped me as well but it should help the broad playerbase

[split halo]

I can do inferno Nico now yeahhh

[scarlet quartz]

I've seen enough people still stuck on terror where it's just a unit lock

[errant dome]

not the main point,

if it did apply to self buffs, then you could save a lattice by not having to max her s2, if you got random acc rolls

[left snow]

i dont think it does tho

could be wrong havent tested it

[errant dome]

no one tested it really? i thought it would be confirmed by now

[left snow]

just feelscrafting

well i didnt lol

[upbeat breach]

Now can we fix how stupid rengokutsu fight is?

[scarlet quartz]

[upbeat breach]

somehow it is more cancerous than all the other bosses combined

[warped kestrel]

Getting Lily will fix that

[upbeat breach]

need kloss too

not even lily can carry the brain dead devs that decided on that boss

[graceful juniper]

if the inferno not dot immune ssania will already wipe him out lol

[upbeat breach]

it is immune to everything in the game lol

you either burst or die

[finite palm]

Looks like I might be able to start farming inferno doki

[small knot]

I mean it’s a game that’s been out for over a year in China and I’ve heard good things about balance and story in the game so who knows

Less successful games out there haven’t gotten eos so

[graceful juniper]

here is the thing....just because its good on CN doesnt mean its good on global,only reason its even good on CN because howw much competitor there exist and the dev can literally get swated by CN player(like some CN gacha player can go so far), global will be given crumb

[frigid dune]

I wasn't able to find anything about china release, tbh

Any tier lists or comps?

[warped kestrel]

This could have been Lily...

[ruby canyon]

damn if i woke up earlier maybe could've beaten grandy

did they stealth buff drop rates or just rng

[charred minnow]

Just rng

[ruby canyon]

usually >70% epic

[charred minnow]

Ive had multiple 10 runs with only 1-2 mythics

After maint

[ruby canyon]

dang

[stable dagger]

shouldn't have slept

[indigo oyster]

We should swap

[warped kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/its-alll-so-tiresome-tired-gif-14029153

[indigo oyster]

I just got a dupe lily

[ruby canyon]

i still need to work

[stable dagger]

work did he just say work? work is forbidden here

anyways gluck you'll get it next reset

[indigo oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/kesho-pixelkesho-kimi-no-nawa-your-name-best-pixel-art-gif-18532028

[ruby canyon]

oh right forgot this is unemployed chat sorry

[tribal osprey]

Wdym? Etheria restart is your job

[ruby canyon]

rerolling is a full time job for some people

(volkin)

[tribal osprey]

Nah he’s been promoted

[stable dagger]

lmao

[ruby canyon]

ngl anisync 27 is still the hardest so once you got that done there's 3 free lattice to get

[tribal osprey]

Oh good. I’m there now

[ruby canyon]

same with ember trek this is the true final boss

[tribal osprey]

Nah, yeli clears. Trust

[warped kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/my-pain-naruto-pain-meme-funny-gif-19233231

[ruby canyon]

15 pulls and a dream

[tribal osprey]

I see 25 pulls

[warped kestrel]

26 if you're willing to go far enough.

[ruby canyon]

i am stopping with refreshes tbf

so perhaps