inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[warped kestrel]

Jack showing up at XD office, demanding Inferno nerfs:

[drowsy gust]

They definitely need to take another look at hyperlink charter

[warped stump]

dont say that or they'll fix the bug where you dont actually need to max a unit to get the lattice

[drowsy gust]

Having inferno clears be on the same tier as hitting level 51 - 53 makes it feel like a wall

[nova island]

good job c if u are the one who got jack in here 🙂

[loud locust]

you and doe kept slandering me when your comments are exactly the reason I avoid the thread and have continued to help monitor the situation silently

I had already stated the situation was being monitored carefully each day and devs were aware

[warped kestrel]

They need to take a very long look at Lian's situation. Lian was clearly meant to be the character that you build and use all the way into Inferno Terro. Something went wrong for that character along the way.

[loud locust]

you guys can't expect full changes to happen in a week just because you complained

these things take time and are huge decisions

even if youre upset

[ornate moth]

no definitely not. First ever clear of each of those didn’t have lily

[loud locust]

and you can't just slander me constantly blaming me for "not doing my job"

[drowsy gust]

Because of a lack of a "we're internally discussing this" statement what we're we supposed to think especially after those initial patch notes dropped?

Jack literally came in and dropped something akin to that and now I'm satisfied

[loud locust]

it takes time

[nova island]

there was no statement and there was no mention in the patch notes... this has been fixed now (maybe because of you)...

[drowsy gust]

The response takes time, but letting us know we've been heard but they're trying to figure out how they were gonna fix this would've gone a long way

[loud locust]

already did that

said in here multiple times devs were in the thread reading the thread and I had also shared a report with them

and to be patient and that these things take time

[nova island]

monitoring isnt the same as gonna change anything, or have a plan to make things better.... thats what we needed to hear (which we did now, which is great)

[loud locust]

and expecting an immediate announcement about it

isn't realistic

[drowsy gust]

The devs didn't. Riddle me this why Jack coming in and giving us a "we're working on it" was enough to satisfy me and actually make me optimistic for the game

[loud locust]

this is a huge game with millions of people involved

[nova island]

after the patch notes came out without an acknolwedge of inferno stuff, thats when it blew up in here again

[sour lotus]

with all due respect I think that's not an argument c

[nova island]

most people did wait for patch notes

[sour lotus]

other games can do it too and they do it better

[nova island]

but thanks C and Jack for making us feel heard now

[sour lotus]

communication is really not that hard but it seems to be a herculian task for XD

[drowsy gust]

Day after day of radio silence but the moment Jack comes in and says "we're working on it" I felt so much better about the situation

[sour lotus]

to the point we literally had to meme communication into existence

like that's a bit of a bad look

especially after they already said they would communicate better

they still don't

[drowsy gust]

You should be the one with the most beef since the radio silence from the people behind the scenes made it look like nothing was happening even with you passing on our feedback

[sour lotus]

no dev thoughts, vague patchnotes, no roadmap we still got nothin

[left snow]

btw can you give the following feedback to the devs

dont release new characters too fast

[loud locust]

yes so slander and blame me even though I stated personally they were aware and were monitoring it (apparently doe and steven think this means im not doing my job)
of course jack isn't going to get in here instantly because it takes a few days to analyze the situation and people will create crazy expectations if he says one thing wrong

[sour lotus]

again not trying to be combatitive here but it is what it is

[left snow]

3 new characters already and we are not even 28 days in

[drowsy gust]

Trust me. Guaranteed. If Jack had done an everyone ping like 2 - 3 days into this saying he's working on it even if he was lying, so many people would've been so much happier

[loud locust]

so once jack had the situation confirmed he came in and could say something

[warped kestrel]

Btw, do we know what the next RGB banner coming in like a day and a half is? or is there going to be no RGB banner?

[left snow]

i heard a rumor about it being tiamat but it felt totally baseless

could be totally BS

[sour lotus]

seems to be only LD

[warped stump]

i'm 99% certain if he said that then internal decisions said dont touch it then the community would literally explode into flames and brimstone

[nova island]

once u said that, i didnt say anything negative UNTIL after the patch notes launched with no mention of the situation AND no statement acknowledging the situation other than being "monitored"

[warped kestrel]

I'm praying for Kloss

[left snow]

i think if we get an rgb banner it will be b

we already had green and red banners

im counting for blue banner or no rgb banner at all

[sour lotus]

like see this here is another thing

[drowsy gust]

Jack is the game director

[sour lotus]

people don't even know what the banner schedule is or what's coming

[loud locust]

yep

lol

[nova island]

i assume C is a big part of why Jack was in here (bring the feedback to the devs) and getting inferno nerfed a bit... which i appreciate .. but i had no way of knowing this UNTIL it happened

[sour lotus]

because we have no info until 2 days before a banner ends

[drowsy gust]

There's a reason a lot of people were satisfied once Jack came in here and said "we're working on it"

[loud locust]

this is alr received feedback dw

[left snow]

this is my biggest gripe with this game

[warped stump]

idk, corporate life has taught me directors can't make unilateral decisions especially if a higher level individual determines it's bad for profits lol

[left snow]

in wuwa for example i know banner order several months before

here we are randomly told about a new character 48 hours before it

and no kit info

[sour lotus]

Again C if I ever offended you I'm really not trying to, but this really is frustrating

[left snow]

outside of a very TLDR information

[drowsy gust]

Also c buddy I even defended you on occasion but because the radio silence had gone on for so long frustrations brewed

[loud locust]

it's pretty clear why we can't jump here and say exactly what is being done or what we're making a decision on without being very patient and careful about it

[nova island]

i do defend c sometimes too 🙂

[loud locust]

there's a lot of moving parts

it's not easy

[left snow]

can we not turn this thread into defending/attacking c again

its not why we are here

[loud locust]

im sure theyll continue to monitor these changes

and if it needs to be done in other ways

or if it helps things find better balance

[left snow]

thats good news

[nova island]

definately gonna help... less geared players can get into inferno...

[left snow]

would appreciate some old characters reruns instead of pumping out new characters constantly

[sour lotus]

but why is it so easy for literally any other game

[nova island]

i hope we start seeing other builds in recent clears in the higher stages too... if not than thats a problem for later

[loud locust]

well ken you should go ask them

[sour lotus]

I would love to ask them

[pearl knot]

you should tell them to nerf all the hell stages too it really jarring going from autoing to suddenly having to manual everything as you rank up

[royal otter]

This i can 100% get behind. Feels weird not knowing what banner is coming until 48hs before the banner drops

[loud locust]

this situation is a bit more complex lol expecting changes within a week is just asking for way too much

it's endgame content difficulty

[left snow]

totally

[quick sapphire]

Jack going radio silent until today was the strangest thing, even just what he said today lifted so many peoples spirits

[sour lotus]

again I think it's not just about changes it's about talking to us

[left snow]

this is my #1 problem with the game rn

[quick sapphire]

It's not exactly difficult to let us know we are being heard

[drowsy gust]

I wasn't even asking for inferno nerfs immediately I just wanted some communication

[nova island]

i think most ppl wanted more communication, "monitoring" and: hey we know you guys dont like this, we will do something is 100% different

[drowsy gust]

There's a reason Jack coming in and dropping "we're working on it" has satisfied it

[loud locust]

communication was that it was being monitored and that it was going to take time and people needed to be patient during temporary frustration that wouldnt be said if there were never any plans to comment on it or change things once the situation was properly analyzed

[sour lotus]

What are they looking at, what content is coming, why are they making the decision they're making, telling us about what they want the game to be like and why certain changes had to happen etc etc

This is standard expected procedure for any live service game not called Etheria Restart, including other gachas

[left snow]

100% agreed

[drowsy gust]

The reason I'm having such a high bar is because it feels like I'm a whole new world compared to before launch

[glass vale]

I can’t think of another game in the world where the head game dev just pops up on discord and tells you stuff 🤣

[left snow]

imo this problem is bigger than inferno problem atm

[loud locust]

please show me some examples since every other gacha in the market does that and I will relay the constructive criticism

[sour lotus]

May I introduce you to Digital Extremes

[left snow]

like the lack of communcation is unheard of

are they sending letters with pigeons to each other

[nova island]

there is alot of PR speak, sometimes companies say monitoring but literally do nothing, if u wanted us to assume more, u needed to say more.... OBVIOUSLY now we know that isnt the case here... but i didnt know at the time

[left snow]

it shouldnt be hard to give us information

[loud locust]

it actually is very hard

it's a very sensitive time

it's endgame content adjustment that is suppsoed to be difficult

u can't create expectations or risk saying something that will just make people more upset

[quick sapphire]

The game needs a lot of work but as long as we know the devs care then I'm sure the vast majority is willing to see it through

[left snow]

okay i get that

[loud locust]

there's two sides to the coin

[left snow]

but informing playerbase way before 48 hours of a character release

that shouldnt be hard

[loud locust]

thats a separate issue

I think a week in advance is a lot better

and I think the teams have been talking about that

[left snow]

thats good to hear

[nova island]

yup, i was originally complaining, heard c say they were monitoring it and he was sending feedback, waited till patch notes, no mention so i came back and complained... then it was all fixed by jack coming in and patch notes being updated... its not like people didnt give any time to a statement

maybe some didnt

but i did

[sour lotus]

I think the time the game has been live has served as proof that people get more upset when they say nothing

[royal otter]

I thinks that where the devs and players dont see eye to eye. Players see it like a farming stage since it drops gear needed to build characters for pvp endgame and consider ethernet rally and ember trek to be the pve endgame since is coincides with most other gachas where they reset biweekly.

[sour lotus]

A simple "We're looking at Inferno and trying to figure out how to handle it" would insta kill anything going on in here since the last week

[drowsy gust]

Are you seriously deflecting by now saying because Jack comes here that makes you better than all other games? Jack coming here is a bonus and indepdenent of the bad communication that has been happening.

Making changes to the game and not putting it in the patch notes leading to the aurora hotfix misinformation
Releasing the Hoyan video like 2 - 3 days before her release and not giving us a headsup the kit would be different on release
Long patches of radio silence without even the boilerplate "we're discussing this internally"

I can go on

[left snow]

100% agreed

[drowsy gust]

I am literally satisfied now that Jack came in and dropped that

[left snow]

making inferno easy but ember trek & ethernet hard is a good idea

[loud locust]

what..

[left snow]

if devs want hard pve content present

[loud locust]

😭

bro stop putting crazy words and accusations in my mouth

you guys never quit that

[drowsy gust]

My bad I misread this

[ornate moth]

Personally I am happy that some changes have been made, and even though I think some other inferno fights (hoyan especially) are deserving of nerfs but at least a lot more people should now have an entry point into inferno fights and have SOME inferno shells they can farm.

In terms of communication I’m sure there are a ton of difficulties and things behind the scenes we don’t understand, and devs cannot say anything too specific or players will take it as a promise etc.
But I think they should try to improve any way that they can with communication because it’s one of the top 5 complaints I’m seeing with the game, people just wanting a better idea of what the dev plans are or if they even are aware of feedback points. So c coming here to say the feedback has reached the devs is good but some kind of dev blog of what they’re hearing from the community would be more ideal IMO

[sour lotus]

Like I think this in itself is something the players had no idea about

Is Inferno considered an endgame content by the Devs instead of a daily gear farm?

[drowsy gust]

I thought you were trying to deflect and say show me other gacha games that have their directors come in

[quick sapphire]

Poor c

[drowsy gust]

This, literally a simple "we're working on it" hs me hopeful and optimistic now

[quick sapphire]

It's okay buddy, thanks for communicating with us

[loud locust]

it's the last content u unlock for gear farming I'd expect it to be pretty hard in general at first but then once u get a few strides in u get better gear and things get easier then it becomes easy daily gear farm

that's normal

but yes it was too strong

so they've been monitoring seeing how people are handling it

throughout the week

[sour lotus]

Like can we make Hypertalks I dunno, a weekly or biweekly thing? A line of communication with what the devs are thinking and working on? Something like that?

[loud locust]

and determining if a major decision like that needs to be made

[left snow]

i usually agree with what you are saying but you and i dont see eye to eye here

[sour lotus]

Literally any way to improve communication would be welcome

[loud locust]

and if they say anything too early it will just make people more upset if people create greater expectations before things are approached carefully

[ornate moth]

I am glad terror was the first module boss nerfed because it felt like the one that required the absolute most scuffed ridiculous strategies if you didn’t have the perfect SSRs for it

[left snow]

to me, gear farming should be easy. This is a pvp game after all, if you guys want hard pve content ramp the difficulty in ember trek & ethernet.

maybe im the only on here but i would prefer easy and consistent inferno farm with hard ember trek & ethernet over what we have rn any day

[loud locust]

agreed rath

nico as well helping with no ssania teams

[glass void]

nico is the easiest shell boss though

[clever tapir]

ethernet rally is already hard u want it harder? 😭

[vestal silo]

I just don't understand if this was monitored for a whole week then why they only nerfed the easiest grim pursuit boss that could be easily cleared without Ssania or Lily.

The other 3 is way harder and can be only cleared if you have a very specific SSR team.

[nova island]

you NEED inferno gear to complete in pvp... and there is some bosses (hoyon/sharon/reng) where u pretty much need specific chars to clear currently (lily/ssania etc) hopefully this gear from nico/terror will help, hopefully the new char will help... we will see if this is a problem going forward

[loud locust]

gear farming does get easy though

[ornate moth]

I beat sharon before I beat nico inferno lol, but maybe

[loud locust]

once you have some builds and gear you're set for the rest of the game life cycle

lol

[glass vale]

Let’s not do that 🤣

[loud locust]

it's the endgame farm

takes some time to get the right gear to make it easy and auto every day consistently

ur not gonna have that in 2 weeks from launch

[glass void]

i think they specifically nerfed nico to give you an even easier start without having to pivot into budget dot or something

[loud locust]

yes

[ornate moth]

unless u pull the dynamic duo 😭

[loud locust]

same w terror

[nova island]

some people do have inferno on farm with lily etc... thts the issue

others cant

no matter their gear

[drowsy gust]

I've defended you several times @loud locust but the long periods of radio silence from anyone behind the scenes often frustrate me

[nova island]

cause of their luck

[left snow]

the other 3 shell farms are very restrictive still

[clever tapir]

fixx the gear rng drops im gated by gear rng rn 😭

[sour lotus]

See I get the idea here but there's such a massive discrepancy with how other games do it as it's usually more akin to scaling the farm with player level, you're ment to increase the farms level along with your own

However in this, player power is not level attributed, but gear, which you need from the same modes who are hard and need gear so it becomes a loop of hard content needing to farm the same hard content to clear the hard content

It's not a progression loop it's a farming prep loop

[glass void]

easy to beat with obol/fangus which everyone has, but annoying to inves tin them

[left snow]

especially hoyan

[quick sapphire]

I think another issue is that you need all this investment to clear inferno, but you want to invest in PVP units which you can't do, unless you have SSania. The amount of lattice we get is definitely too little to be needing to spend it on PVE units while other people who say pulled SSania can just not invest much at all in their teams and have an even bigger advantage in PVP with the characters they can build.

[pearl knot]

why does it unlock at lvl 50 if we need a ton of gear to farm it man that makes no sense

[clever tapir]

i agree, need more lattice

[loud locust]

terror and nico being nerfed help with no ssania and getting an entry to farming more content and getting more gear

[ocean bay]

my only real gripe with shell farming is seeing 3man dot teams clear hoyan in 20s, its a completely different experience from how hard tht stage actually is without dots or a proper celince team

[clever tapir]

otherwise u gated for a week till u can get more lattice

[glass void]

been farming nico yesterday and today all day with 3 SRs and a free SSR, she's easy

[quick sapphire]

Yeah I agree with this of course

[nova island]

definately, and the new char might help too.. please keep watiching, i really want to see other units on the recent clears of the higher bosses

[sour lotus]

this I agree on, but I want to say again, if the devs added a comment here, people would appreciated it

[left snow]

agreed, idk why people are pretending like nico was extremely hard or something

feels like too much complaining brainrotted this thread

[timber mica]

If someone figured a way to beat Sharon inferno without lily pls lmk.. dokidoki in theory should be better but it never worked for me, stupid game design, they stacked dots too fast and too much.

[loud locust]

that was the core issue I communicated that the barrier to entry and disparity between ssania and no ssania on terror/nico were a huge gate for people getting into endgame farming

now itl continue to be monitored

[ornate moth]

Yeah I’ve been farming all day yesterday too but it took me a while to get the right characters invested. I’m saying lily/ssania or even ssania alone could clear like 2 weeks in fresh lv 50 basically

[loud locust]

to see if more needs to be adjusted in other bosses

[sour lotus]

"We changed Terror and Nico so people have an easier progression line into more Inferno content"

stuff like that is what we'd like to hear from them

[nova island]

good change to get started

[quick sapphire]

Yeah it's a great change

[nova island]

c just said that 🙂

[glass vale]

You need to be using the little king Cachi

[clever tapir]

terror gear drops arent really good tho

[sour lotus]

Well yes but that's what I ment c said it, but the devs didn't

[nova island]

c is staff, it counts

[ocean bay]

state of hoyan

[ornate moth]

I have a feeling hoyan will need a bit of nerfing too lol

[ocean bay]

bruh rath we the same cell LMAO

[sour lotus]

so far the patchnotes are just factual they don't share the vision or thought process of anything that's being looked at

[timber mica]

I used cachi dokidoki khloros val , onnly took him down to 30-40% hp. Every single team had lily and i cant do it without her.

[loud locust]

well ken I hope you continue to enjoy our game regardless

[nova island]

i agree with nerfing 1 thing at a time and seeing what happens

[left snow]

hoyan is the most problematic fight in the game atm

it needs some attention

[ocean bay]

it is by a landslide

[nova island]

right now we r in a good spot until we can see what effect the terror/nico nerfs have

and the new char

[sour lotus]

I aint leaving anytime soon so long as they keep trying to improve

[stray saffron]

Can we do something about how costly it is to even try to see how mods roll? It really feels like each time a mod rolls bad you just lost a significant % of your capped and limited resources

[left snow]

hoyan is more problematic than the 3 other shell farm combined

[sour lotus]

so yea I'll enjoy it

[drowsy gust]

I'm still here because I enjoy the game and a step in the right direction has been made

[glass vale]

Did the drop rates get buffed? 🤣

[ornate moth]

first clear was diting/doki/chiaki echo/chiaki normal (they were high invested tho prob not the best strat)

[sour lotus]

now buff Perfect Lattice aquisition thx

[left snow]

bruh

[clever tapir]

rng

[ocean bay]

celince is a great answer to hoyan for what its worth, but rather specific if you dont have it or ssania dots for auto

[quick sapphire]

The drop rates are a whole other issue lol

[royal otter]

Terror lets you 3 matrix your dps (alongside nico) which is not the best dps set but the next best thing is aurora which based on the lvl unlock should be much harder than teror. This allows a more step by step upgrade process.

[nova island]

i dont have the dmg wtihout lily

[ornate moth]

obol kazuyo is prob the best bet in that case

[ocean bay]

yea

you do kinda need lily for tht without ssania

[vestal silo]

No amount of gear will make you auto Hoyan without Lily/Sania or Celince. I can easily farm Nico on inferno. I have to manual every Hoyan runs and it's still hard. It's not even close on auto. All my heroes, shells are fully invested and skilled up.

[timber mica]

Yeah i have no purple lattice left, idk what to do cant really clear sharon, so back to auto nico and hoyan for me. gated by lily 😦

[ocean bay]

im prob gonna just obol kaz rope it, but with lily

[left snow]

this is probably very unpopular opinion but

[ocean bay]

just idk how thtll be on auto, prob shit

compared to nico thats easy to auto, but still with lily so w/e

[left snow]

i prefer keeneye over momentum and find onslaught very underrated considering the sheer amount of extremely strong rev abusers

[drowsy gust]

Yeah kinda funny a lot of the "you don't have a full team of 6 stars and +15 mythics yet" people have been quiet lately

[ornate moth]

I agree tbh

[royal otter]

Yeah, onslaught is slept on because most use ditting

[ruby canyon]

I don't think it's unpopular, momentum is pretty niche and not even usable on bosses immune to debuffs

[ornate moth]

like I think onslaught is generally xiada's best 12 piece

[left snow]

also ive been running into a lot of people with immunity comps or bullwark users in pvp

doesnt even feel great in pvp either imo

[frozen stone]

Why this “endgame content “ is cleared by level 50 players with 2 ld characters while the level 60-70 can’t clear it

[glass vale]

From my testing raw attack has more impact than boosting crit damage. So onslaught really shouldn’t be overlooked

[nova island]

i am 75 and cant clear it

[left snow]

perhaps, i was just disagreeing with the statement terror doesnt have good dps gear

[drowsy gust]

To piggyback why does hyperlink charter expect me to clear infernos where I am right now

[ornate moth]

sharon is really tough, I can't even rly auto it yet only manual. It feels like you need furyedge on your diting or something

[left snow]

i think it has the best ones

imo

[drowsy gust]

If hyperlink charter is asking me to clear infernos where I am right now I should expect to clear it right?

[frozen stone]

Yeah they have the stats but they refuse to look at it

I’m sure he’s not gonna answer

[nova island]

he did

he said the gap between lily ssana and non lily ssania was too big... thats y they released these nerfs and they are still monitoring it

i am happy for now

[glass vale]

Your account level doesn’t really matter much there. You could have just been farming 20 levels worth of exp lol

[ornate moth]

might be worth pinning this?

[timber mica]

Another problem is i dont have diting built but my chloros is maxed on s3.. weird how a 4 star is better than 5 star but its fine cause everyone has diting lol, i just needed a few more turns to survive to down sharon, its just that dokidoki cant replace lily because of weird reasons,, she's suppose to be the cleanser but game says no i still need lily lol. i saw someone clear with chloros but just with lily , she helps so much

[loud locust]

i guess

[nova island]

if after more gear and characters, lily/ssania is still needed then there is an issue, and i will complain agian then 🙂

[nova island]

good pin

[crystal chasm]

what comp can i run for ember treck 42

[timber mica]

nice to see u here from Soc, watched ur videos on clearing ToA

[ornate moth]

khloros is better vs terrormaton than diting at least, like even diting + lily was not as good for clearing inferno terror as khloros. Sharon I'm not rly sure if I have seen a solo khloros no lily clear but it should be possible. Diting is just valued cause he does so much burst and sharon soft enrages SO fast

[frozen stone]

Yeah, just farming XP and skill levels. Hell 4 doesn’t matter when little Timmy has two LD units and clears it as soon as he opens it

[timber mica]

Yeah i saw a solo chloros did it and immediately copied it just without lily and used dokidoki, i understand why he can clear it cause of the speed buff and follow up attack which dokidoki doesnt have.

[crystal chasm]

any advice

[stray saffron]

I get that they want SR and SSR to compete and let SSR out scale eventually but it really feels like tons of SSR have insane stat requirements while SR can get by on a lot less and it should be the other way around

[left snow]

tbh i disagrew with the notion that SSRs have to better than SR's

[loud locust]

this is a new style of complaint for me

🤣

lol.

[left snow]

i love having SR's like diting, viper, valerian in this game

[loud locust]

people really will complain about anything u will never please everybody lesson learned here (RESPONDING TO THE GUY COMPLAINING SRS ARE BETTER EARLY ON WITH EASIER INVESTMENT THAN SSRS WHICH REQUIRE MORE TIME AND RESOURCES TO SCALE) holy so someone doesnt take this out of context

[crystal chasm]

why is it that 'endgame' content can be cleared by people with significantly lower playtime just because they have lily and sania

[loud locust]

holy pins

[stray saffron]

Reread I’m not saying they have to be better just shouldn’t require more stats and better mods to be on equal footing with some SR

[ornate moth]

he has already acknowledged that being an issue so many times 😭

[loud locust]

good idea pinning that rath

[crystal chasm]

o shi mb

[nova island]

can never please everyone, but you can please the majority (which i believe u have for now)

[left snow]

btw do you have viper raised ?

he helps a lot in 42 trek

[loud locust]

now yall see why being in these threads are bad for my mental health after a certain point

🤣

[crystal chasm]

what team comp can i run

[elfin trout]

Tbh these threads should be closed once the issue is acknowledged.

[loud locust]

sometimes gotta take a step back after spending 76hrs straight in this thread last week

[timber mica]

I dont want to be pleased.. i just want to farm sharon damn

[drowsy gust]

I was pleased the moment we got some communication

[timber mica]

[left snow]

you could chip at it slowly with viper-mass-freya-linglou-valerian

[quick sapphire]

Thanks for what you do though man

[left snow]

will take a while tho like 10minute fight

[quick sapphire]

[left snow]

if you dont have viper raised i would still recommend raising him tho

he is very strong in shell farms without ssania, aurora and pvp

[crystal chasm]

i have sania

[left snow]

i meant ssania

[crystal chasm]

oh

i have her

too

[left snow]

oh lol

[ornate moth]

lmao

[sour lotus]

despite everything, it does feel good to have you back atleast

[quick sapphire]

I just raised Viper, what team would you suggest for 42?

[crystal chasm]

i have shadow sania messiah and heinrich all with.a dupe

[left snow]

well still helps in aurora and pvp

[crystal chasm]

but no lily

imagine i got dupes on 3 lds but no lily

gg

[left snow]

any dps with linglou-valerian-viper package can do it

and flex

[elfin trout]

First gacha?

[quick sapphire]

Good to know, thanks 😄

[left snow]

diting, mass, xiada etc

[sour lotus]

honestly I wonder if Lily is just gonna get crept

Yeli proves that certain kit designs aren't considered unique

[tired socket]

inevitably

[sour lotus]

like Rosas crit follow up, she straight up has that

[orchid needle]

has anyone cooked a rin the unvowed build for inferno terror?

or would diting/khloros be a better chance

[ornate moth]

She's the wrong element

[sour lotus]

so Lily's thing isn't really Lily herself it's the twin trick mechanic and the CD reduction

[orchid needle]

oop

[sour lotus]

which could totally just be given to an even better unit eventually

[orchid needle]

i thought she was L/D whoops

[ornate moth]

Lily might get crept eventually but I highly doubt it would be anytime soon

[sour lotus]

It really depends

[crystal chasm]

if lily gets powercrept

im worried for this game

[quick sapphire]

Even if she gets crept, you always need multiple units anyway

[crystal chasm]

cause too powercreep a character like lily

[sour lotus]

People seem to judge Yeli as an "Inferno creep" unit

[tribal osprey]

why do people still think that the inferno stages are endgame content? Its midgame

[quick sapphire]

and she'll need to get crept like 3 times

[crystal chasm]

u gotta release some disgustingly broken new units

[sour lotus]

we don't but the devs do apparantly

[orchid needle]

damn i never left early game

[left snow]

how though, like we dont even have her kit available yet. All we have is a TLDR on her lol

[sour lotus]

I didn't know either

[nova island]

devs/c said or implied this

[tribal osprey]

yep

[sour lotus]

AOE def down, crit buff, crits cause follow ups, cleansing debuffs on self

[left snow]

do we know its aoe def down or just def down ?

[quick sapphire]

think it said aoe

[left snow]

also do we know if its crit rate buff or crit damage buff

[sour lotus]

AOE

[quick sapphire]

and it said crit rate

[sour lotus]

like gray

[left snow]

[tribal osprey]

we will know in a few hours

[devout geyser]

This gives the impression that we were given something and are ungrateful for it. I think the issue is that we were given nothing. We had no communication, we had no confirmation that this was actually being looked into, it was a ghost town where we were just talking to a brick wall for over a week. Even CCs were saying they were left in the dark. It's not a matter of not being able to please everyone in this scenario, it's that nothing was being done at all and felt like it was just being swept under the rug.

[orchid needle]

rosa yeli seems interesting

[scarlet quartz]

did u specifically tell them terror and nico?

[sour lotus]

she literally has Gray+Rosa kit

[ornate moth]

nah it said "critical hit buffs"

which could be rate or damage tbh

[quick sapphire]

Maybe both o.o

[orchid needle]

people just want communication

[left snow]

lets wait and see her multipliers first

[quick sapphire]

But yeah you're right mb

[left snow]

she might have way lower multi than rosa

[loud locust]

yeah at the start those were the two

[sour lotus]

"critical hit" is the wording used in the Fury set

[loud locust]

and seem to be the entry points of inferno with doki

[loud locust]

what

[orchid needle]

inferno difficulty being a problem is one thing, but it's massively exacerbated by limited to no communication until a day or two before patch

[sour lotus]

so it might actually be about buffing crit dmg itself

[loud locust]

this was responding to the guy complaining that srs were better early game scaling than ssr which required more resources

[orchid needle]

and that's a main driver behind player frustration

[loud locust]

🤦‍♂️

[tribal osprey]

also doesnt help that they release a note, then a few hours later goes "In addition"

[left snow]

well thankfully c did say devs got a feedback

[nova island]

jack came in here, then released the in addition

i think thats a good thing

[orchid needle]

[nova island]

they responeded

[orchid needle]

we need more of that

[quick sapphire]

More jack!

[sour lotus]

I really personally just want dev thoughts
I don't want the chatgpt patchnotes I want to hear what they're thinking and why they're doing the things they're doing so we can understand their vision

[ornate moth]

well that's just like, your opinion of what you meant /j

[devout geyser]

This is why you should reply to what you're referencing then :p no way to know that context

[loud locust]

or just read the two messages above

😭

[nova island]

the first hypertalk was awesome

[loud locust]

man

[glass vale]

Bold of you to assume people can read 🤣

[sour lotus]

Both Hypertalks were awesome

[loud locust]

ppl say no way to know context but dont bother reading to figure out context

[sour lotus]

may we have more?

[loud locust]

before making a dogpile statement

we will have more yes

[sour lotus]

will they be a re occuring thing once per season or can we expect them more frequently?

[orchid needle]

I really hope we can get more information ahead of time instead of getitng it through patch notes

[left snow]

btw, c

[loud locust]

god i swear if that statement goes on reddit

out of context

before the edit

🤦‍♂️

im quitting

😂

😂

(jk if i say that someone who hates me will do it)

[left snow]

was the feedback about getting new units less often only or did it also include getting patch notes and info earlier than 48 hours. For example like a week ?

[devout geyser]

Well you're the one who has had their comments taken out of context multiple times on reddit, I'm just saying if you replied and didn't assume everyone read the entire thread to figure out what you're talking about that would probably happen less 🤷‍♂️

[left snow]

that sentence is hard to read

[loud locust]

I feel like people should have more courtesy to understand context before putting me on blast just as a human

but

people don't really care

and that's whatever

comes with the job

[carmine palm]

So we're not going to see any difficulty adjustments to the other 5/7 inferno stages this patch?

[loud locust]

nothing immediate

will have to continue being monitored but

[quick sapphire]

@loud locust You'll drive yourself mad caring about what everyone thinks on here and the internet in general

[devout geyser]

I'm not putting you on blast, I'm just saying I made the mistake of taking that out of context and it's very easy to do without a reply to reference with a thread this busy.

[loud locust]

the entry gear and shell stages are easier

[scarlet quartz]

I would just like to have our time respect and not have us run 3 minute runs with non SSania units

[ornate moth]

I mean some people will like freak out at retail workers as if they are the ones creating the store policies so..

[loud locust]

lol

[left snow]

i thought you were a dev

with that name

[nova island]

ppl having more gear from terror/nico and a new char might change things, i am OK with changing a few things at a time and seeing

[scarlet quartz]

go translate it its funny

[loud locust]

yeah I was more talking about the reddit people than your case

but still

would have taken reading 3 or 4 sentences above to understand

:p

[quick sapphire]

The whole time respected argument is always so funny to me, you play to burn some free time lol

[pearl knot]

nerf it into the ground its farm content

[left snow]

okay can we go back to constructive critisim

[loud locust]

yeah

[left snow]

before it becomes a shitshow again

[loud locust]

LOL

sorry

[left snow]

was the feedback about getting new units less often only or did it also include getting patch notes and info earlier than 48 hours. For example like a week ?

[loud locust]

and sivren no big deal

[sour lotus]

c gimme a nugget pls

[loud locust]

we good

I get what u mean regardless

just hope my perspective is also recognized

[devout geyser]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I usually have this open on the side while I'm working. So it's super easy to miss context if it's not replied to etc. And I think that's probably how a lot of stuff gets taken out of context. Not trying to dog on you at all lol.

[nova island]

c did say earlier that were discussing that internally

[loud locust]

mhm

[left snow]

i missed it if he did

[sour lotus]

hope we good

[charred minnow]

damn c is back alive in the thread

[scarlet quartz]

And I'd enjoy it if they wouldn't drag things out for fun

[left snow]

i only saw the part of releasing units less often

[loud locust]

we all good just gotta get all the bitter hating out of the way so we can all understand eachother's situations more even if things didnt go perfectly

[tall flame]

The main issue I have with how the inferno situation, and the other drama like Ssania shadow nerf, was handled is that there's no announcements being sent out prior to the decision to let people know that change is coming. "We're monitoring the situation" is not want people want. We need to hear that "yes, inferno difficulty will be reduced and the exact changes will be coming on wednesday with the new patch".

I completely agree that the exact changes need to be carefully planned out, but letting us know what's going on doesn't. We also have zero insight on why changes are made, there's no dev comments or anything on patch notes. If a decision has been reached internally that something will happen to inferno, then let us know rather than keeping us in the dark for a week while people lose their minds running up into the gigantic wall that is inferno.

[loud locust]

oh boy

[charred minnow]

@loud locust had a question not regarding inferno tho, but what's the purpose of #suggestion ? they're not relayed from #1379680012940083220 ?

[left snow]

just wanted to say that dividing paragraphs like that would make it easier to read but i agree with you

[quick sapphire]

It all comes down to their communication is trash, they are obviously overwhelmed with launch, it is improving and that's all we can ask for really.

[scarlet quartz]

like non ssania clears taking forever and having a low success rate when this resists on hoyan is ridiculous

[nova island]

i think it was a bad look that the patch notes came out with no mention of the inferno situation BUT then the fixed it, and we will have to see if the other inferno situations change now

[drowsy gust]

I'm satisfied with a "we're working on it" for now. I recognize these things take time but we need to know they know

[left snow]

especially after the nerf announcement

[quick sapphire]

I don't have SSania so I feel the pain man

[elfin trout]

But we have to move the goal post to continue being mad

[quick sapphire]

I feel mega gimped because I don't have her lol

[scarlet quartz]

You are

[left snow]

but @loud locust you gotta tell them about the hoyan problem

[ornate moth]

can u not rage bait lol

[tall flame]

same yeah. I just need to know that they know.

[glass vale]

They don’t auto like that FYI

[left snow]

i would say it is the most problematic farm in the game by a landslide atm

[elfin trout]

some of em make it too easy

[ocean bay]

those are full auto

its just codex auto

[quick sapphire]

I was scared Jack was replaced with AI

[left snow]

and useful shells are walled behind hoyan

[quick sapphire]

Long live Jack

[tall flame]

and letting us know that they know accouncement can be made way earlier

[nova island]

farm terror/nico until the next patch if u have no ssania/lily... then if by then u still cant claer and its all ssania/lily in the recent clears, come back and complain 🙂 easy

[sour lotus]

speaking of auto I recall the devs know about auto complaints with people wanting to choose the ai skills

[scarlet quartz]

wiht obol and sania on codex? what are they doing not pressing fangus s3?

[loud locust]

it takes a ton of layers and ton of analyzing to ensure the internal decision is going to be made and what is going to be made and commenting early about it saying anything other than we're monitoring it and trying to decide if something needs to be done puts us at severe risk of upsetting people to the point of quitting because many are VERY quick to create expectations in their head and as soon as we don't align perfectly with those made up expectations the rage gets worse.

I get some other parts of it but you gotta understand that as well, esp for something that is very complex and affects the endgame even if people have different ideas on what endgame should be or feel like

[quick sapphire]

That's the plan, and Doki

[left snow]

i think i am close to cooking a team that doesnt use lily for sharon

[scarlet quartz]

did it also take tons of layers and analyzing to decide to buff inferno through the roof?

[nova island]

what is it!

[glass vale]

Sure they play on auto but they don’t work for a ten run unless you’re okay with wasting a ton of stamina. You need the 4th slot to have some form of sustain or it’s not going to be consistent

[loud locust]

so the only thing we can say until we have more confirmation is that we're analyzing it and that people need to be patient because it takes some time and may not happen within a week of the complaint

[left snow]

but uh im also not motivated to continue working on it since i actually have lily

🤣

[scarlet quartz]

if we buff inferno for fun surely we can nerf it for fun as well

[ocean bay]

its pretty consistent, but yea the 3mans are probably just time pushing leaderboards, and some ppl just not caring

can just easily add a 4th and clear in sub 30 anyways still

or around 30~ so doesnt rly matter

[quick sapphire]

I'll be real, the thing that made me want to quit the most was hearing how amazing the devs communicate with the community and then I start playing the game and it's radio silence. I think that is what upset people the most, the rest were just people raging because that's just what gamers do, of course a fair amount of it was justified but nothing that couldn't be solved with proper communication and compensation.

[ocean bay]

the fact that it even works is comedy

[devout geyser]

I think the part about this that's frustrating is that they're being so cautious / careful to nerf inferno but where was that caution when they buffed it with no testing? I think that's where a lot of the frustration is stemming from from players currently.

[glass vale]

I’ve put a bit of time into figuring out consistent runs on Hoyan lol

[loud locust]

and to say there's zero insight on why these changes were made like this thread doesnt have over 20k comments 😭 idk I feel like it might be a little common sense but I guess people just want a clear answer so check pins for that

[scarlet quartz]

Wouldnt u feel better using 15 minutes for 5

we have over 20k comments for 2/7 infernos get buffed into another week or two of waiting

[ornate moth]

u kind of have a point lol. The fact that poster child free SSR the game guides you to build Lian couldn't clear inferno Terrormaton or niconana after the post-beta inferno buffs and unit balance patch just makes it seem like they buffed inferno like crazy without careful analysis/testing. And then in order to nerf it at all we need to deliberate and analyze the problem like 20x more than was put into buffing it

[ocean bay]

lvl wise one of the funnier ones

[loud locust]

beta players are still a small minority of the millions of ppl playing, so their bias has to be considered carefully too while analyzing everything

[left snow]

ive done about 80 hoyan runs today and got only got 2 triple matrix

[loud locust]

it could have been tested and balanced better though

have said that from the start

[drowsy gust]

Could they tell us they're analyzing it though? Like straight up I'm not taking legat's side I'm satisfied with Jack's brief return. I don't need the inferno nerfs to happen immediately but I'd like to know something is happening behind the scenes even if it takes weeks

[loud locust]

not excusing that

but

I did that

and you

still

[quick sapphire]

MAN I DONT WANT TO LOOK AT THIS, WHY WAS I FORSAKEN WITH NO SSANIA

[loud locust]

got mad because I didnt follow up every day about it (I can't )

[glass vale]

I’ve got more than that today but none were actually what I was after 😭

[nova island]

monitoring and analzying is pretty much the same

[timber mica]

heyyy thats me lol

[left snow]

i got a very solid rev

[elfin trout]

Again, moving the goal post

[left snow]

Onslaught/battlewill/furyedge

[ocean bay]

wassup gang

[left snow]

wanted swiftraid but i will take that

[nova island]

i would have liked: we know that players dont like this and we are looking how to best make a change. rathen than "monitoring" tho

[quick sapphire]

Gamers are legit done with PR speak

[nova island]

yea

[loud locust]

creates risk and expectation that isn't worth it

I can see why they had to be patient

[glass vale]

That’s legit! I think Onslaught Battlewill is actually top DPS assuming the Battlewill procs even once

[trail sleet]

"monitoring" = "actively and intentionally ignoring"

Is legitimately how this feels.

[loud locust]

even if it would have felt better

[nova island]

get so mch pr speak, even when devs (of other games) seem to intend to do nothing

[scarlet quartz]

I mean surely the devs know all we want to be able to do is click x10 and let it run in the background with the units we pulled

[left snow]

for rev i think so as well

it is very good

happy with that

[loud locust]

was in here for half of last week grinding my ass off hours a day in this thread showing quite a bit more than that and had communicated plentifully that they were monitoring, analyzing, and trying to figure out what to do about the situation

but yeah sorry jack didnt say it

[scarlet quartz]

The random buffs after beta are surely to fulfill some kind of personal vision for how the game should go, which has killed many

[tall flame]

I totally agree that there's many layers to this, but the reason why people have these expectations is because of the open beta. There was nothing said to the playerbase that inferno was going to be become 10 times harder, and thus players went in with a mismatched expectiation to what the devs were intending inferno to be.

But imagine if the devs let us know what they were thinking about inferno. "we actually want inferno to not be farmed straight away, we're going to increase the difficulty, and this is how you should view inferno, etc." we could then allign our expectations. Same with these inferno nerfs. You say that if you make a rash announcement then players will get these expectations in their head, but that's already what's happening (to a much worse degree) when you tell us nothing. The community then gets even more upset and it becomes impossible for the devs to appease them.

Speaking of expectations, we expect insight and communication because of how insightful and based the devs were before the game got released, and especially during the beta. But now it feels like something just...changed. All the doors were shut and we no longer have Jack spitting straight heat on livestreams.

[loud locust]

after a certain point though people would beg me for updates every day and I had to take a step back becauses my mental health and physical health were taking a huge toll

from the stress and rudeness of people

[ornate moth]

yeah, although for an AOE situation where you want mobs dying at the same time like dokidoki I'd rather have fury. But definitely better for aurora

[nova island]

i know you defaintely reported it to the devs... but we never got any awknowledment that devs thought it was an issue or if it was just supposed to be like this

[left snow]

good for you honestly

[nova island]

we do now have statements and patch notes so everything is good for now for me

btw

[left snow]

ngl i agree there are major problems with the game rn such as lack of getting info from devs, 48 hour releases etc

but this thread is often just awful

[nova island]

i dont feel like i have been awful or overall negative but i got called out...

[scarlet quartz]

it's not like what the people in this thread want is outrageous

[sour lotus]

I think the disconnect is that some players just don't consider a CM relaying feedback as "something happening" as they could easily ignore what they're being told and nobody would know unless they say so

[strong ferry]

this. 100x this. to add on to this - making inferno 100x harder from beta (while imo the beta difficulty was exactly what we needed) was an incredibly dumb move regardless

[scarlet quartz]

it's just out of touch

[sour lotus]

Like theoritically we have no confirmation of anything actually happening until it's changed/added because they don't ever tell us their thoughts

"Hey guys we're looking into XYZ and here's our idea on this content"

[loud locust]

still biased. Core issue for majority of people is no ssania lily gap vs those with them. The change from beta is a secondary thing that wasn't as big of a deal as beta players are a minority out of millions enjoying the game and launch is never expected to be the same. It's still an issue because it was overtuned and poorly balanced, but the core issue was the ld unit gap not the difficulty

[nova island]

i think they understand where we are coming from, hopefully they take it into account for the future

[sour lotus]

very simply additions that would go a long way

[left snow]

btw a friend of mine dropped from top 3 rta to top 30 rta after 2x event because he didnt have ssania

[sour lotus]

Like just have Jack explain the devs thought process in certain matters

[drowsy gust]

Here's my two cents, the initial patch notes drop felt like a massive disconnect which is why a lot of people are losing faith and why only Jack's rebirth was enough to quell a lot of people (myself included). We kept hearing our feedback is being passed along and this thread is being monitored and then the patch notes drop and to some people it felt like being ignored

[left snow]

i dont think you can say that he suddenly lost his skills

[nova island]

100% agree...

[scarlet quartz]

I would assume the beta 2 weeks before launch isnt drastically different in core aspects of the game

[glass vale]

Where’s that guy from the other day who admitted he sent in feedback to the devs saying beta Inferno was too easy 🤣

[left snow]

and played bad

he just got outgeared

[loud locust]

doesn't mean thats the issue for 90% of people though

is what im saying

[ornate moth]

It's @tall flame lol

[trail sleet]

So answer me this, if you guys are actively trying to figure out how to fix this predicament. Why is it so very difficult to just simply tone back the content to how it was, from everybody's perspective, of where it was in beta?

How is this a constant clusterfuck instead of just a simple patch day of rolling inferno back so people who don't have insane amounts of luck or a deep deep bank account, can actually play the rest of the game?

I came here for PVP, and so far I've been roughly at minimum 6 to 12 hours a day just clicking to AutoFarm. And maybe maybe spending 20 minutes to test and see if what I've upgraded and all of that are my characters has pushed me ever so slightly forward to be able to do the next tier of content. Which for me would be inferno.

This shouldn't be the issue that it seems to be turning into for the developers. The game is going to EOS if something isn't done. And the amount of backlash now that they're releasing a new light dark unit, is going to push it directly off a cliff. And I hate that because I like this game.

[loud locust]

so core issue more important to address

[scarlet quartz]

The difficulty is tho? that's the main thing that was changed

[nova island]

makes me think c knows how we feel, good cm 🙂

[strong ferry]

90% of the people rnt even playing on hell i recon so these issue dont even affect them

[scarlet quartz]

even if u dont have ssania lily u get checked by different units on other infernos

[tall flame]

the reason why there's a ssania, Lily versus no sannia Lily gap is BECAUSE of the difficulty though. The ssania lily gap didn't exist in beta. You could clear terror with Lian, gray and it was great. This seems like a focusing on the symptoms, and not the cause take.

Why treat the symptoms when you can treat the cause?

[scarlet quartz]

there is no good answer for a majority of the players for every inferno anymore

[glass vale]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-aukerman-comedy-fist-in-air-shaking-gif-5620082

[upbeat breach]

The thing is if inferno wasnt buffed by that much, the lily/sania gap wouldnt be even close to that. Until yesterday, you either had lily or sania or you couldnt play the game at all, everyone was frustrated. It is not just unit gap, is not even being able to do anything at all without them.

[left snow]

#1384230665461170346 message

i think this singlehandedly proves what you are saying is correct

if he had ssania he still would have been top 3

[tall flame]

😭 I didn't know any better

[left snow]

but due to not having her he got outgeared heavily after 2x ended

[sudden wedge]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1375509005878952048

Always the downvoted posts that receive attention

[left snow]

i dont see how devs can look at that example and say its totally fine

[nova island]

i think everyone understands including c... the gap was cause the chaange in difficulty, the gap is the issue... why is everyone kinda argue agreeing

[scarlet quartz]

there are already so many opportunities to get unit checked and lose in PvP why make it a thing in PvE with the after beta buffs?

[scarlet quartz]

I do not understand having to monitor this issue for so long and then only adjusting 2/7 infernos

[tall flame]

yeah but what if the difficulty was what was in beta....that's what I'm saying. You wouldn't need ssania and Lily to clear

[clear gulch]

The best people are still the ones who have either lily or ssania or both and say oh yea there are some f2p option etc. yea... let me quick reevaluate my entire sr roster for specific xyz content, should have saved 20 purple lattice or some potential golden lattice, cuz guess what you cant shift them around lol mb

[scarlet quartz]

Maybe i am room temperature iq but that just doesnt make sense to me

[left snow]

yep

imagine if the dificulty was the same as in beta and he didnt need ssania

[ornate moth]

Yeah. DoT damage was an option but not dominant in beta because it wasn't needed and plenty of other strategies could clear without ridiculous investment. With boss health and damage cranked way up, most viable strategies from beta became either completely unviable or required insanely high investment, except DoT cheese

[timber mica]

money my friend, revenue

[left snow]

he could have been pushing for r1 atm or would have been r1

[tall flame]

100%

[nova island]

c said there were alot of ppl involved and it takes time to make a change, this sint the only change its the fastest they could make, and they will see what happens

[left snow]

but now he needs compete with 340 speed monsters

[scarlet quartz]

ctrl+z on the inferno stats

[sudden wedge]

no one uses 340 in rta

[scarlet quartz]

take a vote for it

done

[loud locust]

because the intention is for the content to be difficult and they're making the entry level stages easier and more accessible without ssania so people can progress and not be hardstuck if they dont have those units. Now they have a start where they can get into the inferno phase better and we'll see how these changes affect this

[glass vale]

The most constructive feedback post ever just started 😩

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1387168402803785839

id just ban people like this tbh. Not worth the time

[loud locust]

it's clear the intention is for inferno to be difficult and even if people don't agree with that because they want it easier like beta it doesn't mean it ruins the game and it's going to eos

[scarlet quartz]

eh

[ocean bay]

the thing is you cant claim its meant to be difficult when one side of it is the absolute opposite of difficult

[loud locust]

but just bc the intention is to be difficult doesnt mean it wasn't overtuned

as mentioned 100000 times

[nova island]

the issue isnt inferno difficulty itself, its the lily/ssania gap, which they will monitor after this change...

[ocean bay]

its just poorly balanced at its core

[left snow]

what content ?

[loud locust]

core issue, but will continue to analyze everything in general

if things balance out well

likely no other changes

[nova island]

makes sense

[scarlet quartz]

This variety/unit issue isnt just limited to ssania and lily due to the difficulty tho

[loud locust]

if people are still getting stuck without those units even after having easier entry between doki, terror, and nico

then the others will be looked at for what changes make sense

[sour lotus]

Nico still blows me up on turn 1 Inferno

[timber mica]

Look into dokidoki first, should be doable with Rilmocha, kloss or Rosa or messiah

[left snow]

would highly recommend viper-lingluo-valerian package

[scarlet quartz]

What do the devs consider stuck? Is spending 12 minutes on a 5 time clear alright for them if u are missing the units? cause that's the reality for most of us

[nova island]

please keep an eye on recent clears... i personally just want to see enough usage of non lily teams

[craggy gale]

Is this enough?

[loud locust]

we shall see sobola

[scarlet quartz]

for niconana definitely

[loud locust]

they probably spent a few days testing it

[scarlet quartz]

terror is to be seen

[trail sleet]

I can't speak on behalf of the other people here. But the problem is with this being a gotcha game. Overtuning the content like it has and not doing anything about it for as long as the developers have. Comes off to the players as this game is turning into a quick cash grab before closing the door real quick and disappearing.

And I say that as somebody who's unfortunately fallen into that trap before.

Making the content difficult is one thing, making the content unplayable and unbeatable without specific units that cost 3x what other units cost makes it feel extremely greedy.

[ornate moth]

I think nerfing terror & nico was the best place to start if they weren't willing to nerf every shell boss + terror at the same time, to give an easier entry into terror/nico.

I still foresee a persistent gap between ssania owners and those without her though, since even with easier access to gear the non-ssania havers will still have to invest lattices/resources into like 6 different SRs while the SSania owners can focus their lattices and resources into PVP units

[scarlet quartz]

somehow i dont believe the testing part after making lian completely useless

[upbeat breach]

We are already kinda stuck in doki without lily, that didnt change at all. There is just one comp without lily in the whole game

[nova island]

no idea if this is enough without it going live for a bit

[solemn swallow]

I'm ain't blaming you or any one here.
But tbh, if you are saying: "those changes are big and take time". Why then devs choose to buff the sh*t out of ALL PvE pre-release after beta finished unannounced. I can't get that part ngl.

[timber mica]

I have been scrolling recent clears of Sharon hoping for a non lily setup, found one but with 10 lattices investment and 10 min clear lol

[loud locust]

please look at my pins and countless other comments for why these changes were directly to help with this issue

[pure junco]

😅 Must be rough to constantly repeat yourself, like nobody is reading....

[loud locust]

about to take a break again from the thread

[snow gust]

vice is love

[loud locust]

mental health important

[nova island]

we need a check pins guy

like there was in general

[gilded mirage]

You just got back , rip bro

[pure junco]

Yeah take care

[loud locust]

yeah we'll have to see how it balances out

[elfin trout]

https://tenor.com/view/satox-check-pins-gif-15132658171494998908

[carmine palm]

So how long are we going to need to monitor fights like Sharon and Rengokutsu after the patch to know they're overtuned even with solid gear? Another 11-12 days? Probably no further inferno balance change until the next banner patch at earliest?

[strong ferry]

hard disagree. gating farming stages for a PVP based game which is required for u to compete in the first place is dumb and the game will lose players cause of that once the actual majority gets to play these stages.

let me be a prophet once again like i did in my 2-3 downvoted posts weeks ago that turned out to be true:
XD will nerf inferno further or provide massive powerupgrades to casuals in whatever form down the the line and it is a goddamn shame that till that point many will get alienated cause of the stance of "inferno needing to be difficult"

[nova island]

dont disappear forever c, its nice to hear from you!

[gilded mirage]

Tbf the difficult stages will be easier as they add more power crept units

[loud locust]

I think many of us agree with this sentiment and ive talked about it in here many times that I think they might have not had the perfect philosophy, but I also dont think their decision means the game is doomed and that it will still be fun especially once we all have some decent gear and progress

[scarlet quartz]

dragging this out with unnecessary monitoring is just bleeding players in the most crucial stage of the game

[nova island]

this is the change they could make quickly and tested... this may workout or not, but we gotta let us test it for a bit

they said they will make more changes if needed

[scarlet quartz]

it doesnt take 2 weeks of monitoring to figure out the other infernos have to be adjusted and eventually they will

[upbeat breach]

if you need a specific unit to play a content the game is doomed...

[loud locust]

if you want to make money and have a successful game there's a sweet spot between things being too easy and people getting bored especially in the early game when we only have so many characters and content

but finding that sweet spot is hard

game will eos if you are too far in either direction for different reasons

[nova island]

change in difficulty, new character, more lattice/resources... things MIGHT change

[tiny sage]

They Found the Sweet Spot then threw it away

[scarlet quartz]

yeah eventually

is that what they should aim for?

that's stupid

[drowsy gust]

I wouldn't be so bored if I was playing a lot of rta just like a lot of my e7 guildies who came over who quit already

[turbid ridge]

how was beta sweetspot? Boss couldnt even move in beta bc of turn meter -

[stray saffron]

This sounds like balancing around whales and sweaty min max players and I know several big games that made this same mistake

[loud locust]

you really dont know that. There werent many characters and rta still needs to continue developing with more character releases and strategies so risking having people get bored before more stuff exists is risky

[carmine palm]

So instead of boredom -> playing pvp we're just burnt out instead.

[strong ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[upbeat breach]

beta wasnt the sweet spot at all

[outer falcon]

I mean he's a pvp psychopath

[loud locust]

not at all

[scarlet quartz]

the normal player is not clearing the other infernos after these changes

and its not rocket science to figure that out

[loud locust]

this is just very important for release when you have so many people coming to the game at once.
doesn't mean they didn't do it poorly though and miss the sweet spot

[main elm]

Event gave me so many upgrade worthy modules that it will take me 26 business days to upgrade half of them only.

Devs gotta gives more money income

[patent raven]

Yeah I quit and went back to E7 today myself I still want this game to get better but I’ve been stuck for a minute drops suck I can’t build and skill new units it’s overall just lame at this point.

[clear gulch]

also how stupid is the idea to only nerf 2 inferno instances

[loud locust]

thats the intention, but it is still being found

[left snow]

off topic question but, is the distance between characters in the turn bar below an indication of their speed difference ? like if its just 1 speed difference would it be closer than if it was 20 speed difference ?

[scarlet quartz]

E7 do be looking mighty attractive now with anni coming too

[upbeat breach]

why use a horrible game as reference?lol

[nova island]

if this is all they could do/test fast and get out to us... its fine for now

[drowsy gust]

I shilled this game so hard to my e7 guild and most of them are gone. And now I'm getting clowned on for it

[clear gulch]

No its not stop sugar coating it

[scarlet quartz]

LMAO you couldnt have know but fair enough

[stray saffron]

I mean you can say no all you want but anyone here on discord talking about game balance is far from casual and it really feels like you don’t appreciate how meta gaming has to be done to succeed in this game. You cannot just experiment or try to figure things out or you’ll brick your account

[loud locust]

game thats been out for how many years

[outer falcon]

It's not, because their speeds tick their turn meters up at different rates, which is why some units lap others despite being behind sometimes

[loud locust]

🤣

[patent raven]

Absolutely great timing

[upbeat breach]

well to be hoenst they are cry babies if they ar elike that

[sour lotus]

c are the devs looking into making perfect lattice more widely avaible?

[orchid needle]

dot has potentially infinite scaling because it's max hp true damage

[scarlet quartz]

no quitting the game at this stage is perfectly reasonable

[orchid needle]

there's the other dot that the one blue sword chick has

[scarlet quartz]

especially after not including any inferno notice on the initial patch notes

[strong ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[scarlet quartz]

that's a whole other issue

[nova island]

change isnt what we wanted... it is something... lets test and see if there is still a problem... their communicated has gotten better... overall a win so far

[carmine palm]

Just spend $31 per week and event, what's the problem?

[loud locust]

game still gotta make money man 🤣 f2ps gonna be expected to grind pretty hard

[sour lotus]

[tiny sage]

9 People have cleared Anisync. 10 people have cleared EmberTrek Hard. 3 People have cleared EtherNet. Yeah the Farming Dungeons were in a Sweet Spot in Beta If you wanna Leave the Turn Meter change and the Anti DoT change That is enough No Need to up the Damage or the HP. Beta Was the Sweet Spot.

[loud locust]

perf lattices are relatively cheap compared to other game stuff imo

[scarlet quartz]

so we lock f2ps out of inferno so they cant grind

[sour lotus]

can't they make money from pulls

[scarlet quartz]

[loud locust]

not really ken

u can imagine most revenue prob comes from those lattices

[upbeat breach]

doesnt change the fact that it is horrible

[stray saffron]

Are we really justifying bad monetization and unhealthy game balance because other complete cash grabs did it?

[scarlet quartz]

definitely not from the skins

2€ recolors

[loud locust]

man what I said really isn't that black and white

[scarlet quartz]

model doesnt work for pvp focused games

[turbid ridge]

yeah lets ignore the other 100X things etheria does better than genhsin

[ruby canyon]

fyi ethernet leaderboard is bugged cleared boss on hell but it's stuck at 99%

[scarlet quartz]

u have to include mint picking

[tiny sage]

Thanks for Stopping in again Btw we Appreciate you.

[turbid ridge]

lets add broken dupes and make 50/50

[scarlet quartz]

he just did

oioioi

[outer falcon]

C's situation is funny because he clearly got the job by being a Creature of Discord, but when he acts on the natural impulses that got him on board (chatting on discord) it just gets him in trouble

[turbid ridge]

pull cost 100 not 160

[scarlet quartz]

creature of discord is crazy talk LMAO

[turbid ridge]

no limited units all get into standard

[outer falcon]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

[turbid ridge]

can do this allday

[main elm]

Whales can't grind, the currency to upgrade the modules is just way too low no matter how much I spend in this game, I'm starting to recycle modules with potential coz every 50 red module u get u farm enough money to upgrade 1 of them.

This is in no way intentional, coz that's intentionally frustrate ur whole player base, whales and f2p altogether.

Yes I'm 3500$ in whale speaking here

[loud locust]

what a sentence I don't even know how to comprehend it

[scarlet quartz]

just dont

[outer falcon]

I don't mean it in a bad way, some people just are

[scarlet quartz]

LMFAO

[tiny sage]

Etheria atm. Really has one Glaring flaw in the Panther's Paw. And that is Farming dungeons. Taking way too damn long and filtering people.

[loud locust]

ive been on discord since I was a young teen and understand it well

so yes

[pearl knot]

it does nothing better atm

[loud locust]

it comes with good and bad in these scenarios

[elfin trout]

you creature for using the internet

[loud locust]

a lot of people really respect me and like me because of it

[tall flame]

It really did feel great. It was just perfect

[loud locust]

but then the angry people dont

[tiny sage]

Discord Wasn't around when i was a Teen

[turbid ridge]

well good thing you can play those hoyo games

[green spear]

[ruby canyon]

this lmao

[scarlet quartz]

homie is still fresh

[pearl knot]

great retort

[loud locust]

good feedback to know you should make a thread ab it

[ornate moth]

any skype uncs in chat

[strong ferry]

wtf discord isnt old at all. am i the old one or what

[loud locust]

that makes sense

[scarlet quartz]

hell yeah

[elfin trout]

AIM

[scarlet quartz]

i still hear that call sound in my dreams

[main elm]

Why in the world we comparing ANY hoyodog game to a PvP game ??

[loud locust]

i joined discord march 2016 i was 15, it was still pretty new then and we were all on skype before

[orchid needle]

user has joined your channel

[nova island]

ICQ

[outer falcon]

Any team speak and irc grandpas scratching the saggies with me

[tiny sage]

[ruby canyon]

ventrilo chads rise up

[main elm]

Doesn't make sense to compare PvE game to a PvP one

[ornate moth]

ok now ur getting before my time lol

[scarlet quartz]

wait whats ur birthday or does that count as a dox

[left snow]

because whenever we get constructive criticism going, this thread devolves into mindless and absolutely useless nonsense

[tiny sage]

Ventrilo Raids in FFXI

[loud locust]

i was in a skype groupchat with xxxtentacion during those time s:rof

🤣

little ole me

[scarlet quartz]

this is what we call a weird flex but i respect it

[main elm]

Sir

Don't compare hoyo

[loud locust]

it's funny

[main elm]

To a PvP game thx

[loud locust]

yeah guys again this is not a compare game to game thread

[tiny sage]

[loud locust]

xd

[pearl knot]

why its a competitor

[elfin trout]

when did genshin add pvp?

[loud locust]

i started it by saying arguably lattices are more affordable than monetization aspects of other games but i shouldnt have

[scarlet quartz]

well we are kinda getting stuck on the inferno issue since the devs are gonna take ages no matter what we do to the detrement of the game

[left snow]

okay now thats a wild take

[green spear]

comparing it to games like e7 and SW makes sense, genshin does not

[nova island]

this is an inferno difficuly thread... if you are talking about other games... should at least have something to do with that imo

[left snow]

you get so many rewards from arena

[tiny sage]

I think the Sentiment is when a Giga Whale Struggles because the game went way too far from the Beta and they don't have the right unit its going to disuade the Whale more then it being too easy.

[ruby canyon]

it's kind of weird that inferno is harder than anisync/embertrek/ethernet

[clear gulch]

Btw why are patch notes so insanely poor designed, structured and written? It feels like some AI generated post or an intern job LOL.
what is this shit? Nothing is clear, is it a nerf, does it stay the same? No numbers, values, marked phrases what is actually changing.

It takes 10 seconds too look up how good patchnotes looking like (tft test server)

[loud locust]

when giga whale who spent 5k but doesn have ssania is losing progress to a f2p who got ssania

[scarlet quartz]

have they tried spending more money

[loud locust]

u know there's an issue

😭

[orchid needle]

it does suck how low the odds are of hitting a specific L/D unit from permanent banner

[scarlet quartz]

yo double up?

[clear gulch]

im soloq only sry

[tiny sage]

yep They could spend 100k and Miss SSania and Lily and be behind a F2P.

[loud locust]

yeah not healthy

[scarlet quartz]

gorillas abuser

[loud locust]

for revenue or for anyone

[left snow]

i am 80% confident it is written by AI

[main elm]

Purple lattice acquisition is decent, yellow, no

U get more purple than yellow, but every player like to build x5 more SSRs than SRs, because that's normal in every game, SSRs are more precious by nature

[clear gulch]

what is not Ai in and outside of this game LOL 💀

[orchid needle]

I think them adding rotating target banners for perma units in general is a good idea

[loud locust]

patch notes are hand translated

not ai

[marsh topaz]

then do something

[orchid needle]

like one/two new characters, one/two permanent unit target banners

[strong ferry]

lowkey surprised an official mod isnt blindly defending dumbass decisions from devs

[devout geyser]

I've spent over $1k, LOVED the beta, I have Lily / SSania so thankfully I can actually clear. But it's still so tedious and not fun that I've completely stopped spending until it gets adjusted again. There's not even enough time to enjoy the pvp by the time you finish farming. It sucks.

[scarlet quartz]

doesnt mean they arent written by it

[left snow]

i have a hard time believing that tbh, and you know im not a blind hater

[loud locust]

we have started

[left snow]

why would a human being translate cleanse as self dispel

[loud locust]

the person who translated them is next to me in person but okay

its still translating from chinese to english though

[ruby canyon]

if i spent 5k on a game and couldn't clear i'd actually rethink my life choices

[loud locust]

xd

[pearl knot]

yes this is the main problem it takes way to long to do the farm content

[tiny sage]

Im at 550$ atm have both and yeah spending 12 hours Manual Grinding is pain.

[clear gulch]

we are not talking about translation

[orchid needle]

@loud locust sorry for the ping but is XD publishing the game themselves or is there a western company involved for the publishing?

[scarlet quartz]

@loud locust this is the main issue with inferno and its difficulty

[loud locust]

xd published and developed

[scarlet quartz]

if u miss units

u have to manual or suffer for x hours a day

running shit forever

[marsh topaz]

cool, please check all the feedback threads and make positive changes

[loud locust]

yeah im gonna take a break from the thread now instead of going in circles

but thakn u guys

[scarlet quartz]

"yay this time 3/5 succeeded in 15 minutes"

[orchid needle]

ah, then I assume there's a western department in the company that handles all communication in the west as well as receiving feedback

[left snow]

can you tell him why is he translating the same mechanic differently for different characters ?

is it a multiple person team ?

[loud locust]

also make that thread baout modules @main elm

it feels important to address

[left snow]

like we already have purify/cleanse in game

where did self dispel come from

[main elm]

Sure

[scarlet quartz]

i wish they would've launched chinese servers as well

shit would get done

[loud locust]

we are a small team over here but we work with the teams overseas with everything

[scarlet quartz]

but global as usual doesnt carry enough weight

[loud locust]

usually we're helping translate and relay feedback and doing other marketing/operational activities

[craggy gale]

I lost 3 more people in my guild today….numbers are dropping fast…game is getting repetitive already with the gear farming.

[left snow]

you guys gotta stay consistent with your terminology when translating kits. it is very important imo

[loud locust]

yeah

theyre working on it

[tiny sage]

Not so sure on that one... From the CN Space its not really getting traction.

[loud locust]

they recognize the issue

[orchid needle]

Yeah, then it's just a classic case of delays between communication between teams, language and culture barriers that means that responses and feedback cannot happen nearly as fast

that explains the lack of communication somewhat

[scarlet quartz]

yeah cause no cn servers

[pure junco]

You guys are walking in circles again 😅

[scarlet quartz]

if we had this issue with a cn server there would be 3 trucks in front of their HQ and maybe we wouldn't be in this spot

[orchid needle]

especially because you guys have to ask them for approval before saying anything

[ornate moth]

even if u find some auto strategy, it is painful seeing ssania user post their screenshot of their 10 autobattles complete in 1 minute each. While I can only ever hope to do 8 auto battles in a row if I'm lucky, 5 if I'm not lucky. And they're like 3 minutes each.
So even once I can also auto clear it takes me like an hour and a half to burn my day's stamina, and takes them half an hour

[tiny sage]

even the prerelease trailers we had were getting 1% of the views on billibilli.

[marsh topaz]

also please more animus resets

[ornate moth]

not as big of an issue as the overall inferno difficulty just your comment made me think of it

[scarlet quartz]

they know they cant scam and edge the chinese thus global marketing

[timber mica]

atleast u can auto clear, sharon impossible without lily.

[orchid needle]

This is probably another case of global being the beta test for cn server release in the future

[ornate moth]

I can't auto clear sharon lol. I'm giving a hypothetical

[scarlet quartz]

like there is only so much incompetence i cant take before having to assume malice

[strong ferry]

figures. w8 till majority reaches inferno. again time will prove me right. i was on multiple of these rodeos~

[scarlet quartz]

why dont they just push a survey about inferno

they'll get their monitoring soon enough

instead of the obviously bad translation/text survey they ran

[clear gulch]

why you need a survey, everything is pretty clear no

[strong ferry]

cause 90%+ rnt even clearing hell brother

[clear gulch]

they are just a greedy company

[craggy gale]

I don’t mean this in a bad way but all people got to do is give them a bad rating and review on appstore. If enough is done they’ll have to do something to turn people’s favor back.

[tiny sage]

Yeah The difficulty increase to Hell is also there but its not talked about. because the people on the discord are the hardcore players. but multiple people got filtered just because of Hell.

[scarlet quartz]

agreed

[green spear]

im still hard stuck hell 2 on terror/aurora

[tiny sage]

Yall filtered my Boy Tectone

[scarlet quartz]

terror*

[green spear]

yo chiiillll

lol

[marsh topaz]

lol im stuck on inferno and already crashing out, can't imagine hell-stuck players

[tiny sage]

He Dropped 1.5k and Felt too Weak

[scarlet quartz]

have u tried pulling more units or taking 15 minutes on a tank down strat

[main elm]

@loud locust done
#1387176276028031026 message

[carmine palm]

literally me

[craggy gale]

Nah if you stuck on hell mode it’s either you don’t max refresh or skill issue

[ashen blade]

Hell filtered tectone 💔

[green spear]

why does everyone go to skill issue lol

[strong ferry]

brother gets filtered by anything that requires some brainpower he should stick to entertainment

[tiny sage]

or spending on the wrong thing like pulls.

[main elm]

#1387176276028031026 message

Take a look at this pretty sure everyone in here is suffering with this

[green spear]

also i did max refresh up until last 2x day

but cant afford to now being f2p

[tiny sage]

The Grind on how long it took to clear stamina filtered him ||And the Sussy Baka on his Video||

[ashen blade]

It isn't really brainpower when it's a stat check.

[green spear]

^

[scarlet quartz]

and unit check

there are account that just dont clear hell inferno unless u giga invest into cachi the cumguzzler and gang

[green spear]

yea i dont own doki, lily, beyo, or tsuki so it feels omega bad

[scarlet quartz]

and who wants SR lattices for pvp right

crazy idea

[craggy gale]

Because anything below inferno is perfectly balanced in my opinion and most people agrees on this. It’s do able with F2P unit and decent gear not even maxed out gear. If you can’t clear then that’s for sure skill issue not game design issue

[clear gulch]

they know exactly what is going on, lack of resources, draining them, publish a "placebo" nerf for only 2 inferno instances. Which in the end doesnt matter since no Lily and/or ssania accounts will still struggle if they didnt save up 20 purple lattice and potential golden ones to reevaluate their entire roster / most beign niche SR.

Therefore -> you tend to shop for even more resources such as skill upgrades

[tiny sage]

it is fairly balanced.

[left snow]

100% agreed

[marsh topaz]

build vice man haha great unit 🤓

[left snow]

we should either get more resource from farming inferno or just lower the cost of upgrading gear

[tiny sage]

Doesn't mean it isn't filtering people who can't spend 6-10 Hours Per Day Spamming them.

[green spear]

who are these most people? lol also thats bullshit It absolutely can't be dont with non maxed gear for your dps and those stages are dps/unit checks

[scarlet quartz]

try running a lian hell4 terror team with 2 matrix gear

good luck

[ashen blade]

The jump from hell 4 to Inferno is insane. First hand experience. It's like you need Inferno shells and modules to clear, but you can't get them unless you clear Inferno. So basically it's a stat and character check. Because if you don't have the character that deals with the mechanics, good luck 🤞

[left snow]

why does it take me 100+ stages to max out a shell and thats without rerolling shell passives which might as well take another 100 stages

[craggy gale]

Or just use diting and farm a lil more gear maybe?

[tribal osprey]

Ain't no way

[tiny sage]

Yep you need Inferno Gear and Certain Characters.

[marsh topaz]

lmao how is that even skill issue. the pve doesn't involve skill, you literally click buttons. I was only able to beat it with khloros and lily after I farmed doki hell4 for 2 days nonstop and got 3m gears.

[orchid needle]

did he have s sania?

[tiny sage]

not built but he didn't make it to inferno.

[orchid needle]

ah

[tribal osprey]

Think he had like 5 massiahs

[green spear]

I use diting and farm what gear? I have 12 onslaught 8 harvest how am i supposed to swap to keeneye / monemtum + fury if i cant farm hell 3

[orchid needle]

[left snow]

bruh

[tiny sage]

Missing that last Massiah Dupe doomed him

[tribal osprey]

O7

[left snow]

coming up with alternatives to inferno clears because you dont have certain characters takes a certain level of skill

[tiny sage]

Also when you spend the 1.5k on pulls and not the weekly prog packs.

[tribal osprey]

You didn't warn him on time

[craggy gale]

Are you not using maxed refresh? If so then I understand but if you are, your gear should be decent enough to clear it by now.

[tall flame]

I'm almost completely done with hard Ember Trek (on floor 40 hard rn), what's supposed to be the hardest content in the game, and yet I can't clear any inferno content yet btw...

[scarlet quartz]

diting without lily is doodoo

also u cant assume for everyone to have diting either

@tall flame doesnt

[tall flame]

"yeah bro lets make Threshold and shell bosses harder than ember trek"

[tiny sage]

the weekly prog packs feel bad to buy

[craggy gale]

Especially since you have Lily

[marsh topaz]

you can just ask for help from other people. plenty are willing to help.

[left snow]

ive been saying this for the last week

[craggy gale]

An account without Lily is doodoo in general

[left snow]

but they should make farming stages easy and ember trek hard if they want hard pve

we shouldnt need to cook up teams for farming

[scarlet quartz]

and we support that why?

like what

[tribal osprey]

In another universe you saved him and he was competing against grandy for top 1 global

[craggy gale]

We don’t

[marsh topaz]

i max refreshed every single day. it just wasn't possible before i farmed doki hell4 for hours

[tiny sage]

Brax was Right "If you don't have Lily The Game is unplayable"

And he didn't even make it to inferno either.

[craggy gale]

Yes and that’s what I did to. But now you’re able to clear it right?

[tall flame]

I have almost every character besides Lily and Diting

and it's really rough

[scarlet quartz]

then why are we flaming people getting stuck in pve cause of missing units

[tribal osprey]

Damn bro. How are you even playing

[marsh topaz]

yup. because my units have 270 spd

[craggy gale]

She has Lily what are you on about

[orchid needle]

i'm so glad i rerolled for lily... though i have 2 dupes of her now and i got diting on my 670th pull 😭

[scarlet quartz]

talking about divided

[craggy gale]

The person has both Lily and Kloros 💀

[left snow]

https://tenor.com/view/my-first-girlfriend-turned-into-the-moon-thats-rough-that-rough-buddy-avatar-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-5710468

[scarlet quartz]

^

dementia kicks in early nowadays

[tall flame]

you can clear Ember Trek and ethernet rally just fine without Lily, but those threshold and shell bosses is where you really feel the Lily gap

[green spear]

He's talking about me getting flammed since people just resort to can't clear = brain dif

[tiny sage]

I do agree that it is balanced.

Doesn't mean it isn't filtering players.

[scarlet quartz]

It's still really rough if u are unlucky with the units u got

[craggy gale]

Everyone had an option to reroll no? You should be able to garanteed a lily. The issue I don’t support is lily and Sania because that’s 2 unit which is insanely hard to come by compare to just 1.

[tiny sage]

Also idk if I would be saying that if Inferno was reasonable.

[scarlet quartz]

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