inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[sacred mirage]

Submitting my doki team ive been using in case it helps somebody.

I have lily but dont use her. Tsukiyomi is on bramble to push massi turn meter and she scales with artisan better.

Lily works better with other tunings

[tidal arch]

My goat

[pure junco]

Jack must have been pissed earlier lmfao

[stable dagger]

gacha and their naming bs

[scarlet quartz]

working closely to shit on our plate

gotta eat whats on the table boys

[gilded mason]

i dont own a plate

[tidal arch]

Bro

[pure junco]

He probably didn't like the meme Steven started too

[tidal arch]

They could have ended this so easily just nerf they other shells 😭

[split halo]

lol

[gilded mason]

he had to open discord while chilling on his yacht

and type one message

[outer falcon]

I wonder if quadrupling the damage will let me cheese with my diting

[scarlet quartz]

that's too easyx

imagine just pressing ctrl + z on the boss stats

[gilded mason]

no one wants to be told they arent real

[scarlet quartz]

very intensive much monitoring

[gilded mason]

LOL

[outer falcon]

Aren't CN communities notoriously insane? Shouldn't a CN company not fuck up so hard or be surprised? I don't get it man

[arctic plover]

they just don't have backups.

arcane technology, somebody deleted the beta already

[gilded mason]

Asians dont fk around with games

[scarlet quartz]

if this was out on CN like this they would be sitting at 1/5 stars on every platform

[gilded mason]

they'll storm the game hq

[stable dagger]

so.. is there any news about the Hoyan auto team? without Celin ofc

[indigo oyster]

hench why they havent release in china yet

[tidal arch]

Bro wym without celince

[outer falcon]

I gotta respect it even if I don't respect that they do it for degenerate coomer reasons

[tidal arch]

Not even celince is gonna make me beat hoyan

[stable dagger]

my sanity can't keep up with this manualling

[gilded mason]

If something you love is being destroyed, then you should protect it

[stable dagger]

that's my only prob rn

[gilded mason]

even if you're a degenerate

[pure junco]

CN community would riot and that's the one they fear, so it's easier to make games for global audience

[gilded mason]

Yeah global dont ask for much

We jus want day 1 farm inferno

and clear with Lian

[indigo oyster]

yeah it aint that hard

[gilded mason]

BUFF LIAN

[tidal arch]

Buff Xiada

[main elm]

a unit can't get CHONKER in PvP more than this shell

[warped kestrel]

They gave us Lian with a terro quest line to her, so unironically yes, she should be a character that is tailor-made to do inferno terro

[stable dagger]

Lian is supposed to be this DPS that's tailored made for Terror

[split halo]

Love the diff between hell and inferno takes much strategy to one tap boss to boss one tapping you incredible game play

[gilded mason]

Well she's tailor made to be reset now

[pure junco]

😅 Like it's absolutely insane how many games were shut down because cn audience crushed all hopes of further development

[gilded mason]

CN have high standards

We're HELPING the devs

by complaining

[scarlet quartz]

someone go learn chinese and make videos telling the chinese not to touch this game

maybe that gets the devs moving

[split halo]

Also they shouldn’t force you to buy her 3 copies

[gilded mason]

Arent chinese players playing global

They're pissed too

[pure junco]

🤡 First Step: Calling Jack an AI
Other Steps: Other

[vestal silo]

We are just testing the game out for the CN/JP release. We are their guinea pigs to test reactions.

[indigo oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-wwe-gif-27374764

[vestal silo]

Enjoy the no wipe beta

[split halo]

I want to go back to beta

[warped kestrel]

Good devs would see it this way. Bad devs would see it as us being crazy and entitled. Let's hope they belong to the first camp.

[stable dagger]

just give them hot anime girls they'll calm down

[uncut mica]

Lol they aren't angry. At least not the Leviathan's in the guild I'm currently in give a single solitary fuck about any of this anyway

[scarlet quartz]

beta etheria was legit 10x more enjoyable

[indigo oyster]

saw a chinese player clear inferno doki w dps sania

[pure junco]

Well? That's not entirely uncommon

[split halo]

Try 100m times better

[gilded mason]

大家好。 Etheria Restart 是个垃圾游戏。 不要碰他

Here u go

[stable dagger]

[gilded mason]

You can copy paste this

[indigo oyster]

i only know hello everyone

[pure junco]

Lol CN beta probably is easier than Global Beta

[gilded mason]

put it into google translate

[tiny sage]

[split halo]

I could actually do damage in beta here I do no damage and be expected to have end game gear and max skill ups

[frozen stone]

“ guys you shouldn’t clear anything day 100”

[warped kestrel]

I recognize some of those hieroglyphs as Japanese, the first one I think means fire.

[stable dagger]

if i stare enough I'll understand it eventually...

[tidal arch]

🥀

[scarlet quartz]

Etheria Restart 不尊重玩家

[arctic plover]

fire? we don't do it out here, it's called Reason

[young zealot]

It means everyone,

[gilded mason]

save yall the trouble

LOL

[hexed jay]

🫃

[tardy ocean]

I guess none of yall checked #official-news ?

[turbid ridge]

you sure waste alot of time for a game that is a piece of crap

[tidal arch]

Bruh

[split halo]

谢谢🫡

[hexed jay]

Everyone should change their name to this

[tidal arch]

Is this ragebait

[uncut mica]

The inmates here didn't see "Gives you the ability to clear with basic prowess level 45 SRs in purple gear" so they're still just angry

[scarlet quartz]

bet

[tardy ocean]

Would have assumed yall would be talking about it more to be honest

[tiny sage]

[arctic plover]

guys be kind to him, he learnt to read a month ago so is hyped by it and haven't learnt that other people are able to do it too

[outer falcon]

Scroll up, hundreds of messages about it already

[gilded mason]

LOL

[white veldt]

well yes japanese kanji come from chinese after all

[royal otter]

It was posted in this thread at least 10 times in the last hour...

[scarlet quartz]

very true very true

[tiny sage]

...

[true trench]

uhh when is the lily banner coming

[gilded mason]

yep jp and kr people came originated from china anyway

[tidal arch]

Thats literally what ssania users are doing?

[scarlet quartz]

nah bro u can clear it stop asking for shit

[gilded mason]

somehow koreans created moonrunes

[scarlet quartz]

just waste 5 hours a day on it

[main elm]

hopefully on game release, we still in Beta

[outer falcon]

Being a masochist with no gag reflex isn't a good substitute for a personality, king

[stable dagger]

skill issue tbh do better

[scarlet quartz]

How are we not running regular SSR banners btw? XD

[outer falcon]

But I'll still buy you a drink

[vestal silo]

Just get lucky, duh? Also don't forget to build the same DoT/Lily teams like everybody else cos nothing else works. But as we heard your concerns we made sure to nerf the only grim pursuit where all kinds of teams worked. 🙏

[gilded mason]

is that doki2

[tardy ocean]

And I litterally just looked in here. Yall do realize yall chat so much that I'm not scrolling up litterally 800+ messages

[warped kestrel]

We did, it's a big step in the right direction, but not enough. They need to look into all Inferno stages' difficulties, because there's more that needs to be addressed about them than Terro and Nico.

[gilded mason]

bruh where is your kazuyo

[white veldt]

and thats not fire
its

The Japanese kanji for "big" is 大 (dai, ookii). It can be read as "dai" in compound words or "ookii" when used as an adjective meaning "big" or "large"

[true trench]

naah it was hard trek sharon

[gilded mason]

ohh

damn

20 minutes

[true trench]

doki is like 4:30

[tiny sage]

its a tiny baby step since jack got pinged here directly and he had to throw a crumb.

[stable dagger]

kanji is a headache I'd rather learn codes

[main elm]

sucks to not be able to keep up

[split halo]

Also it will be implemented till next reset or whenever so I’m pretend I never saw it till it actually gets in the game

[main elm]

https://tenor.com/view/simply-a-difference-skill-simply-a-difference-in-skill-gif-21335337

[royal otter]

Have the inferno/Ssani shills arrive yet?

[white veldt]

thats wild

[vestal silo]

Give them time.

[pure junco]

Print(Codes)

[tardy ocean]

Honestly fucking fair

[stable dagger]

atleast it's a good news that they're doing something about it 🎉

now let them monitor again

[indigo oyster]

when u reach floor 24

[royal otter]

Waiting on Roku, axion and jin to see what nonesense they spew today

[tiny sage]

Nah you don't Celebrate Baby Steps

[warped kestrel]

Ah, this is the one I was thinking about.

[gilded mason]

oh hell no not this bish again

[tiny sage]

You don't Celebrate Crumbs

[true trench]

hopefully im getting stuck before that cause im not gonna make it through her lol

[final gust]

You do

[young zealot]

Ain’t this on yugioh cards?🥸

[white veldt]

yeeeeee

[gilded mason]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-reddit-water-earth-fire-gif-20151913

[restive quiver]

@tribal osprey just saw your ping and read the nerfs. Good for the game and players but i’m already done with the game. Have better stuffs to do irl

[stable dagger]

alright

[split halo]

I’m stuck on 12

[main elm]

I will be stepping down from the Etherea moderation team as it as come to a point where the rumours have gone out of hand, the players aren't good enough to complete inferno without SSania, thus with this close to zero communication with the players themselves with the admin/owner/boss of the server, this has been a very tough period to implement changes to the system whatsoever, so I was here to assist the mods in hoping to make the rumours better in this community, but unfortunately with all the players against us including Terror/Aurora it cannot be so. therefore I am personally stepping away from the server and the ownership has already been passed on to Nikkimanaj to decide on the next course of action for this community. I wish you all godspeed and the best, if you're in the ER modding community, i hope you enjoy your stay there. 🙂

[indigo oyster]

the ads now hit almost as hard as the boss

[tiny sage]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

[white veldt]

"now instead of needing lily ssania, you can also clear with doki massiah"

[scarlet quartz]

xD

[vestal silo]

Why, you don't wanna manual the PvE for hours everyday?

[pure junco]

Take care

[white veldt]

I will be stepping down from the Etherea moderation team as it as come to a point where the rumours have gone out of hand, the players aren't good enough to complete inferno without SSania, thus with this close to zero communication with the players themselves with the admin/owner/boss of the server, this has been a very tough period to implement changes to the system whatsoever, so I was here to assist the mods in hoping to make the rumours better in this community, but unfortunately with all the players against us including Terror/Aurora it cannot be so. therefore I am personally stepping away from the server and the ownership has already been passed on to Nikkimanaj to decide on the next course of action for this community. I wish you all godspeed and the best, if you're in the ER modding community, i hope you enjoy your stay there. 🙂

[supple lichen]

Did they nerf it?

[arctic plover]

o7

[scarlet quartz]

I will be stepping down from the Etherea moderation team as it as come to a point where the rumours have gone out of hand, the players aren't good enough to complete inferno without SSania, thus with this close to zero communication with the players themselves with the admin/owner/boss of the server, this has been a very tough period to implement changes to the system whatsoever, so I was here to assist the mods in hoping to make the rumours better in this community, but unfortunately with all the players against us including Terror/Aurora it cannot be so. therefore I am personally stepping away from the server and the ownership has already been passed on to Nikkimanaj to decide on the next course of action for this community. I wish you all godspeed and the best, if you're in the ER modding community, i hope you enjoy your stay there. 🙂

[pure junco]

what is a job

[tiny sage]

Slight Nerf to Terror and Nico

[mental mural]

Devs doing fuck all while players are leaving

[indigo oyster]

please censor J*b

[arctic plover]

where is this copypasta from?

[tiny sage]

More Diting Teams will be able to clear Now

[scarlet quartz]

sometime after jack responded someone cooked this up

[tiny sage]

Still probably need lily

[mental mural]

@scarlet quartz change your name to EtheLily Reroll

[supple lichen]

Atleast it's something, although I was autoing nico no problem but this is good

[white veldt]

gotta love 不尊重玩家

[tiny sage]

Disagree.

[vestal silo]

Honestly yesterday when I got home after work and went to do manual Hoyan runs I realized I actually enjoy working irl than "playing" this epic "PvP focused" game.

[restive quiver]

Nah aint got the time to do all that. Have work and family to manage as well. Its fine. Players are having their feedbacks heard. Its good for the game

[scarlet quartz]

The "at least it's something" stance is a terrible stance to have

[tidal arch]

Why are hard ember trek rewards worse than normal ember trek

[restive quiver]

Thanks. You too

[white veldt]

at least its something is how the movement loses steam and nothing gets better

[pure junco]

😂

[warped stump]

...manual hoyan runs? crazy work

[mental mural]

We'll find out if it does or not very soon

[white veldt]

I mean niconana is good now but wha about hoyan, sharon, that other guy, terror?

[restive quiver]

🫡

[scarlet quartz]

Just dont think about them

[tiny sage]

why do I disagree? This would be like if your 1000$ Washing Machine broke because the delivery drivers dropped it and then them giving you a 100$ replacement Washing Machine and telling you to be happy with it.

[scarlet quartz]

surely

[tidal arch]

Do any of you have a manual hoyan without Lily or sania?

[toxic coral]

Sharon i can agree with but hoyans chill https://i.imgur.com/ySnWhoy.png

[main elm]

Hoyan kinda needs Celince

to be consistent

assuming u don't cheese it with SSania

[scarlet quartz]

or a random obol -8 lattices

[tidal arch]

Whats the team

[tiny sage]

Looks inside DoT.

[toxic coral]

don't peek

[tidal arch]

🥀

[white veldt]

we dotting?

[tidal arch]

I have her what more do i need

[main elm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1384230665461170346/1386792017274732787/image.png?ex=685ba6f6&is=685a5576&hm=d3e3cff64367d0ccf3758184e5ca269b47446d4add22349ab12616716643bbe9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1388&height=851

this is not SSania team

[tidal arch]

What's the team gang

Don't say lily

[vestal silo]

I bet no Celince or Lily either.

[inland chasm]

Lily

[young zealot]

Dorothy

[main elm]

mine has lily but @finite palm did a tweak to my team to clear it without her

[toxic coral]

https://i.imgur.com/JtBozm8.png

[stable dagger]

show us the way

[true trench]

this is anti-lily and anti-ssania zone

[tidal arch]

A tweak that involves changing lily for ssania?

[true trench]

posting teams with either is not encouraged

[main elm]

#1384230665461170346 message
my team

his team, though he says not consistent
#1384230665461170346 message

[main elm]

both

[gilded mason]

oh celince

[warped kestrel]

Even Doki should have like 10-20 speed points shaved off, and I think every Inferno should have their resist reduced to increase auto consistency. This is a x10 autobattle gacha game. It's crazy that some of us are even manualing this.

[vestal silo]

So Celince and Lily

[gilded mason]

no celince

[vestal silo]

Cool

[tidal arch]

Wtf is mia for

[tidal arch]

Not this

[toxic coral]

[main elm]

heal + CD reset + CR push back

[vestal silo]

Easy boss you just need 1 or 2 of the 3 SSRs that are must have there

[main elm]

maybe not the best option but if she works she works

[tidal arch]

Ok so

Xiada replace rosa right

[main elm]

no

[white veldt]

doki hitting you turn 1 does not matter at all my dude, you dont have to outspeed

[tidal arch]

No way

[main elm]

Rosa does alot of CR push back to the boss, and she is better than Xiada for single target by miles

[white veldt]

but yeah its all bad

[tidal arch]

No fucking way

Its over for me

[stable dagger]

the annoying thing is the resist

[main elm]

Joever Jonk

[stable dagger]

my 200acc is still being resisted sometimes

[tidal arch]

🥀

[toxic coral]

10% bb

[tidal arch]

Send Nicki Minaj before i go

[indigo oyster]

10% innate resist more like 50%

[main elm]

10% hard resist

[main elm]

godspeed

[stable dagger]

atp it's around 30%

[toxic coral]

they need to rid of skill miss showing up as a resist

[tidal arch]

😔 💔

[main elm]

but for real

[stable dagger]

based on my experience

[main elm]

how u still playing this game, no lily no rosa no SSania

[frozen stone]

I’m making fun of those people

[main elm]

just quit fr

[tidal arch]

It's so over

[main elm]

unplayable

[stable dagger]

luck issue tbh do better

[tidal arch]

Wtf i am going to do with doki doki messiah and heineich

Bro they are so useless i swear

[stable dagger]

my Doki and Hein are rotting

[toxic coral]

You'll find a use soonTM

[main elm]

ahh, that's how, u got sold the most retarded LD unit ever released in this game, aka Sir Heinrich the trashpile

most useless LD

[tidal arch]

Bro

[stable dagger]

pvp

[young zealot]

I feel like doki has potential, couldn’t find the ressources to build her up yet though

[tidal arch]

I thought Heinrich were going to be the most broken unit ever

[toxic coral]

once we get some more gear i can see hein replacing holden for the damage amp he brings

[indigo oyster]

"uhh, actually if u highly invested ur messiah to be a gigachad u will clear all threshold🤓 👆 "

[tidal arch]

I got fucking baited

[frozen stone]

Game has maximum one month

[tidal arch]

Xiada just better ✌️

[main elm]

same, turned out he is the most broken unit in a bad way, so broke that u can't use him

[frozen stone]

They gonna squeeze enough money with the ld

[vestal silo]

They are good for PvP.. too bad everybody is busy manualing their inferno runs so other than the chosen ones who pulled all the great PvE SSRs nobody plays RTA in this epic PvP focused game.

[charred minnow]

[tidal arch]

😭

[toxic coral]

https://i.imgur.com/sL7mVVA.png and hes just sitting

[stable dagger]

she helps me with phantom her purify is kinda nice and the cd too

[main elm]

almost max imprint off

mine has 3 imprint

and recalled

[indigo oyster]

+celine 😂

[tidal arch]

Nah bro i gave doki doki 7 yellow thingys and she was useless for pvp is crazy

[tall flame]

FINALLY

nerfs to inferno

[main elm]

imagine viper does everything better than Heinrich KEK

[tidal arch]

And holden just better than Heinrich

[tall flame]

nico nerfs are amazing

[tidal arch]

Exactly

[tidal arch]

No way

[toxic coral]

add attack break to hein 3rd and hes the goat NGL

[tall flame]

but terror nerfs needed to include a -20% dmg nerf as well or something

[tidal arch]

Why is he 6 stars

[tall flame]

also bro where are the nerfs to the other BS shell bosses???????

[toxic coral]

i use him in pvp when i start to queue

[charred minnow]

only terror and niconana

[tall flame]

it's a great start to inferno nerfs

[stable dagger]

monitoring

[tall flame]

[main elm]

he just needs a good debuff, buff block only makes him super niche stripper

[vestal silo]

They are being monitored DW. Any months now.

[split halo]

Can I attack her?

[tidal arch]

No

[indigo oyster]

kill them ads first

[tidal arch]

Just reroll the account

[vestal silo]

Maybe once they drop the next super inferno hell they will nerf the current inferno bosses.

[split halo]

I have to keep doing it right?

[toxic coral]

you see that yellow super sayian icon?

gotta kill adds

[charred minnow]

the niconana nerf is actually decent

[toxic coral]

and then you can hit her

[tall flame]

at least nico inferno nerfs will allow us to break into inferno level gear

[outer falcon]

Literally though

[tribal osprey]

We do be monitoring

[indigo oyster]

3 undispellable buff? nah bro is cooked

[tall flame]

and then maybe the other shell bosses won't be as ridiculous

[tidal arch]

Maybe

[stable dagger]

Hoyan needs very specific characters to auto

[tidal arch]

Im gonna be a white fang slave again

[stable dagger]

I can't

[outer falcon]

Doki is a great support unironically though

[tidal arch]

😔

[indigo oyster]

nerf everything 50% across the board, dmg,speed,turn meter,hp

[outer falcon]

Just-in-time cleanse goes hard frequently

[tidal arch]

Thats what i thought but she is so random

The cleanse is goated

[main elm]

Rengo is the worst inferno boss, needs nerf the most

[mental mural]

They're actually proud of what they've done

[bleak citrus]

thats my view on it

[toxic coral]

does anybody know if i can stockpile my arena attacks or do they not carry over?

[outer falcon]

My only issue is that she doesn't work with Valerian and her cooldown reductions ruin Revelation sync with Massiah when they hit him

[vestal silo]

Ye that helped me being able to clear Hoyan on 3m manual runs. Ain't nobody gonna farm that 💩 for hours everyday. Especially cos the people with Lily, Celince and SSania can just farm it with unbuilt shit.

[tall flame]

yeah the way they announced really rubbed me the wrong way

[tidal arch]

Exactlyy

[stable dagger]

yeah but rn she's kinda useless, she's good on some pve challenge cuz i clutched with her sometimes

[outer falcon]

Valerian is anti-synergy with so many units

[tidal arch]

Her thing with valerian is what we're killing me

[charred minnow]

wait so Celince is now also hated, even tho she's a RGB

[outer falcon]

The fact that she invalidates Hoyan passive is so fucking funny

[tribal osprey]

Ever since seanB released this tech

[outer falcon]

Ngl I have her as my anchor turn buffer in RTA because Kloss is my version of the free Lily ban and she does great

[vestal silo]

She's only good for one boss really. But she's good there's nobody hates her.

[upbeat breach]

why would anyone hate celince

[charred minnow]

?

[charred minnow]

she's also good in dokidoki wdym

[arctic plover]

celince can wear revelation -- she is automatically playable

[vestal silo]

Welp I never seen her there

[indigo oyster]

i am grrrrrrrrrrrr, because i dont have her ofc

[stable dagger]

I'm using her with my Bruisers they synergize well

[vestal silo]

Only in Hoyan

[main elm]

in all fairness, I think the nerfs for only these 2 is due to the backlash + need to do something to tone down the community flame, they prob didn't have enough time to test/tweak the other bosses, so they just nerfed the 2 SSania cheesy ones and then, MAYBE then look into the others that needs more address like Aurora and Rengo

[tribal osprey]

For now

[indigo oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[arctic plover]

bold of you to assume that they tested those two

[main elm]

giving them the benefit of the doubt

[outer falcon]

These are 2 changes you can safely make without having done any work or testing in the last week, yep

[stable dagger]

wait for "hot fix"

[tidal arch]

Is Sharon fine without dots?

[vestal silo]

Nico is literally the one that is not the DoT cheese one. Nico can be cleared with all types of teams as long you have the speed and speed down for it.

[main elm]

more ppl tested lvl 50 ones, coz the ones that needs more nerf than these 2 are locked behind a lvl 55 account

[tall flame]

I think that's honestly not a terrible take

[main elm]

so less ppl tested them

[stable dagger]

yeah you just need Cachi THE GOAT

[indigo oyster]

think so? u just need to built cachi iirc

[vestal silo]

Problem they nerfed the weakest boss and now they called it a day

[tidal arch]

Mmm

[split halo]

Bro cmon

[tidal arch]

I see

[upbeat breach]

if you have lily yes

[charred minnow]

you can't use DoT in that fight lmao

[tall flame]

but with how long they go between announcements and actions, it could be a month before they touch the other inferno bosses

[split halo]

All I see and feel is pain

[tidal arch]

Sadly Sharon give trash shells

[tidal arch]

Ahhhh

[small knot]

Was it ever confirmed that she nullifies the dokidoki dmg reduction? I keep seeing people say that it does but never actually show anything so ima. Bit skeptical

[tall flame]

and then it literally doesn't matter, because people will have already overinvested into characters they never wanted to build just to clear those stages

[charred minnow]

yes

[outer falcon]

Yes

[indigo oyster]

tested, yes

[tall flame]

I can't beleive we didn't get like a real human response from the devs either

[main elm]

there are much harder bosses than nico and terror EVEN for non-SSania users, or the usage of SSania is not applicable, but they chose these 2 coz they are disgustingly being cheesed by a small portion of players

[charred minnow]

Where emergency livestream >: (

[upbeat breach]

well it is a hard debuff, it should remove it...

[tall flame]

a "hey we messed up, here's our thoughts on why we chose these nerfs, here's what we're thinking for the future, etc."

instead it got dropped in a TWEET

[small knot]

Hmmm but I feel like I still like cachi more than celince for dokidoki team comps

[indigo oyster]

@small knot #1384230665461170346 message

[tall flame]

not even a ping in the discord

no announcement

not included in the patch notes

[true trench]

dont need no useless PR talk

[tidal arch]

What is a Cachi 🥀

[true trench]

just drop a nerf and see what happens, good shit

[arctic plover]

we got a message in this thread @tall flame

[main elm]

I mean, sure Aurora and Rengo obviously harder than pretty much all other bosses, but u can't cheese these 2, so everyone is equally in the same boat, so they can take their time with these 2 since no one can cheese them with low gear JUST because they have that ONE unit

[warped kestrel]

They probably have a dartboard with all possible nerfs. Niconana's 2 darts landed on 10% HP and 10% SPD, while Terro's 2 darts landed on 10% HP twice.

The extra 90 to 60% damage reduction nerf was probably a last minute intern suggestion.

[tall flame]

oh fr?

lemme go scroll up

[bleak citrus]

should be in pins

[arctic plover]

#1384230665461170346 message

[small knot]

Am I the only one who didn’t really care about the damage reduction from niconana

My xiada is at 203 spd

[outer falcon]

The fact that they drop all their notes in tweets and don't even bother making native discord post versions is so fucking annoying

Or just having a website

Like where they post the patch notes

[arctic plover]

depends if you pulled Mio, Lily or Tsuki

with either of the three it was simple to get enough speed (there are more slow options). Without those three, each of who is good in that fight the next best option is red kazuyo.

[warped kestrel]

I welcome any and ALL nerfs to all inferno stages. This is content that I intend to 10x auto tens of thousands, if not millions of runs for the next 10 or so years, it doesn't need to have any difficulty whatsoever.

[vestal silo]

Honestly I would rather have them done nothing instead of this. Up until now I had the hopes they know what they are doing and are being thoughtful, but they showed how absolutely clueless they are about fixing the PvE. they worked for a week on -10% HP and speed for Nico...

Dw we just have to wait one more week again. Next week they might nerf something meaningful. 👏

[main elm]

feedback is the following:
-SSania is cheesing the inferno
-Inferno is too hard

now pinpoint the bosses that have these 2 points combined
Result: Terror + Nico + Hoyan

Weird they didn't touch Hoyan but tbf he isn't that hard if u have lily, which prob the same problem, but obviously they aren't looking into "having lily or not" issue, having lily doesn't CHEESE the bosses, she just makes them much easier to approach, u still need considerable gear if u running lily and no SSania teams

[small knot]

I didn’t have any of those but I didn’t have many problems I just decided to use marvel instead of trying to force a spd buff into my team

[small knot]

This is true

[main elm]

that's how the dev approach the problem, therefore u got only 2 nerfs for now

[small knot]

It’s not a nerf I asked for but I sure as hell won’t ask them to take it back

[tidal arch]

No bro, something is something

I'll take that nico nerf

[tall flame]

ok at least they sent a message in this thread

nice

[tall flame]

but fr it's so easy to ping us in announcements with this stuff

or put it in the news notes channel

[glass vale]

The Nice nerf is HUGE!

very happy with that

[small knot]

Overall I think terror needed the speed nerf more than niconana but maybe that’s just me

[outer falcon]

The Nico nerf is what, 4x damage because it's a reduction of a reduction?

Plus the speed diff being reduced so more

Could be nice. Not enough to just update her though

[tall flame]

yeah the nico nerf will let actual damage dealers to kill nico

[main elm]

not really

[glass vale]

They do have a website and they post the patch notes on it before anywhere else 😅

[main elm]

he is my most consistent auto boss in all inferno, don't have SSania

[tall flame]

you'll be able to run diting's and Rosa's again to kill nico

[main elm]

Nico comes 2nd, but nico is longer than Hoyan

[viscid shard]

you can already run ditings now

[small knot]

But it’s not like niconana was dropping the most important gear in the game

I need those revelations more than I need artisans

[bleak citrus]

she does have the most generally usable shells though. actually allows you to make use of the 6pc

[main elm]

yes, but lets be honest, Celince is not LD

[outer falcon]

They don't link to it from the news tab

[tall flame]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-out-loud-laugh-ridiculous-hilarious-lolz-gif-17376550074772904877

[main elm]

• she has substitution, Obol

[small knot]

Let’s be real the most generally useful shell is revelation

[main elm]

Artisan is PvE shell

[bleak citrus]

if that changes in the future what are you gonna do? i would rather not over commit to rev

[main elm]

and doesn't help at speed maxing

[small knot]

Plus you want law for pvp and gvg

[quick sapphire]

Still haven't seen an evolguard piece 😭

[lunar aurora]

Artisan bro

[outer falcon]

Artisan is a pvp shell (the current Platinum RTA meta is just drafting your p2w Doki inferno team bc you're too lazy to reconfig)

[small knot]

And jackal for anyone without lily

[small knot]

YALL I swear artisan is not that good

[glass vale]

That's something to yell at the mods/ CMs about. Legit criticism there

[main elm]

current meta is clownfiesta coz everyone is too busy getting perfect gear to farm inferno

[tidal arch]

Jackal

[small knot]

It runs out before my dps gets hit almost half the time

[main elm]

all what we can do is SPEED SPEED SPEED and outspeed enemy

that's it

[small knot]

Wait am I stupid does jackal not drop from hoyan????

[outer falcon]

Yeah, it's also extremely polarized between Lily havers and nots because of that

In wild ways

[main elm]

now tell me, would u use Artisan over Amber in PvP ? there is really no question here lol

[small knot]

Oh ok wait they weren’t saying that jackal didn’t drop they were saying it did

[warped kestrel]

You have to understand that this is a containment zone. The main point of them leaving this thread up is that it stops us from spreading these complaints throughout the entire server. Every time they make an announcement about this, they make everyone, not just us, aware of this issue, which is understandably something they'd want to avoid doing as much as possible... because for some reason they think Inferno needs to be hard and barely unautoable, if even.

[main elm]

coz Amber sucks in PvE atm

[inland chasm]

Rip i wished they nerfed atk and spd of tera tbh but hey better something than nothing

[outer falcon]

Oh I'm not being serious

[small knot]

It’s too early in the morning for me to be talking about this

[tidal arch]

Yes 🙏

[main elm]

Jonk ur scuffed, u'd use blackflag in PvP atm coz u can't farm shit with the trash roster of units u have

[tidal arch]

😔 stop hurting me

[main elm]

truth hurts

[tidal arch]

I have a 3 dupes xiada

[tidal arch]

Its joever

[split halo]

Fk this bs

[main elm]

at least u can farm Doki with Xiada

[tidal arch]

Not even 🥀

[graceful cradle]

@tiny sage it's okay 4 days and I don't even have to care can just wait til they fix the game (or don't that's also fine)

[main elm]

[split halo]

The hp is absolutely bs

[glass vale]

Need to use the little king Cachi

[jolly relic]

[small knot]

Yes you can

[vestal silo]

Nico is a gear check. Hoyan is a character check. No amount for crazy gear gonna make Hoyan work on auto without either Lily or Celince. I would rather take the boss that's needs gear than one that's is locked behind SSRs.

[upbeat breach]

you can farm with xiada if you have lily, otherwise good luck dealing with the rng fiesta

[small knot]

My guildmates farm with xiada

[split halo]

Don’t have the skill up for him

[upbeat breach]

you dont need lily for hoyan

[jolly relic]

pretty much Celince cheese strat

[upbeat breach]

with lily

[jolly relic]

[small knot]

Uh idk

[distant wedge]

is it hard sharon?

[vestal silo]

That's why I said either.

[main elm]

Sharon is harder than Hoyan imo

more RNG

[small knot]

Let me check

[glass vale]

Why is it cheese? Her whole niche is turning off passives lol

[devout crag]

think it's ethernet sharon

[upbeat breach]

if you have sania you dont need lily or celince

[distant wedge]

i see

[upbeat breach]

Just run dots there, it is a loooot easier

[distant wedge]

some people dont know what cheese strat is

[split halo]

Amber trail

[distant wedge]

[split halo]

I only got fangus

[upbeat breach]

obol is really good in every single fight in ethernet rally

[small knot]

They said it’s dokidoki or lily preferably but works with cachi

[graceful cradle]

If only

[vestal silo]

He said I'm the initial comment that he don't have Sania either. I commented on that. You don't need Sania. But you need either Lily or Celince if you don't wanna DoT.

[upbeat breach]

obol>celince

[vestal silo]

🧢

[upbeat breach]

If you dont want to dot just because you dont like dots that is a bigger problem

[split halo]

This is Amber trail

[small knot]

What’s the duration on forgetfulness

[main elm]

obol is not > Celince for Hoyan, not even close

[upbeat breach]

O crap, it is immune to dots there?

[main elm]

obol is a weaker substitute to Celince

[small knot]

I definitely prefer a 2t forgetfulness over 1t obol stun

[upbeat breach]

It stun the adds and heal hp% based damage, why in the hell it would be weaker

[main elm]

also Celince have dot on her S1

[small knot]

And even then I would rather use Kazuyo for hoyan

[upbeat breach]

You are running codex, so that doesnt really change

[small knot]

Sure obol has dot

[main elm]

u don't need codex with Celince

it's 2 turn

[small knot]

But if I’m not running a dot team obols dot is realistically not doing all that much

[astral bridge]

uhm, can I know more about the cheese strat?

[main elm]

u can run artisan or w/e on celince

[small knot]

Kazuyo atk debuff is very helpful

[main elm]

better yet, run monkey, 3 turn forgetfullness

[upbeat breach]

I guess you cant burst that fast with non dot comps?

[small knot]

You really can’t

[upbeat breach]

rip

[small knot]

Idk maybe my stats just aren’t that good

[vestal silo]

I would rather use Kraken instead of Obol if DoT was my problem. He's miles better for CC. Obol don't came near close to Celince. People use him cos he's good in DoT burst teams not bc he's better than Celince. Im a regular direct DMG team he is 🧢 also she's a lot more rare which is another reason why hardly anybody used her.

[upbeat breach]

They work in different ways. Obol has the highest CC chance in the whole game for example.

[main elm]

Kraken is much better, freeze + CR push back

if u aren't running dot

[vestal silo]

Yes

[upbeat breach]

But yeah, I havent tried running hoyan without dot

[small knot]

Kazuyo sleeps just as much tbh

[indigo oyster]

but all those require you to manual ig?

[small knot]

Sleep and cr pushback too

[upbeat breach]

if you are dealing single target damage yes

in that case kaz is reaaally good

went with kaz + freya for the ethernet sharon and it was bizarre

[small knot]

Well

I’m running diting

Idk what other dps yall are using

Besides dot

[outer falcon]

Mass, Rosa, Xiada, maybe some crazy pervert is using Lian, Clorox,

[upbeat breach]

Same here, I barely use diting at all

[outer falcon]

Some guy who I'm half sure is trolling pops up in every thread about Doki to mention he's using Lilith,

[upbeat breach]

It is hard to use him without lily resetting S3

[small knot]

Nah

Actually lowk true I felt the difference in union bosses

The damage difference was huge

[outer falcon]

It's embarrassing matching into union with no Lily and having some lv50 do like 50% more damage lmao

[final cliff]

INFERNO GG, Yeli plus Ditting, with 20% boss nerf

[outer falcon]

The nice thing about Yeli is that by creeping Diting, they nerf his tier without making him less usable for we plebs

Assuming her follow-ups do massive ST

[bleak citrus]

very curious to know if she's the golden lion enjoyer

[indigo oyster]

please let me get her in 1 pull

let US

[small knot]

No she’s just another revelation enjoyer I bet

[tall flame]

golden lion

[final cliff]

I want her cuz she’s HOT tbh

[bleak citrus]

if she's a multi hitter like rosa yeah

[tall flame]

it's an ez pull for me cause it seems like a premium Rosa

and there's probably some good synergy between the two

[small knot]

What are the chances she doesn’t do 3 hits on her aoe def break skill

[tall flame]

plus I heavily invested into khloros

[small knot]

I would bet real money that she has a 3 hit aoe

[tall flame]

and khloros + Rosa + Yeli will probably break union boss and theather

[distant slate]

DTO SUCKS

[small knot]

But like knowing how these devs shadow nerf shit between the release day and the day they release the kit

I’m guessing yeli wont be as meta as we think she is

[outer falcon]

I can't justify pulling an LD banner when I'm still missing Mio, Lily, and Sania

Sucks

[split halo]

Dang it bro

[indigo oyster]

GG, u win bro

oh wait

[indigo oyster]

💀

[split halo]

Win where? I don’t see it in sight

[distant slate]

Bro however was the guy on the stream that played with us F You we need more communication you DEVS are trash 🚮 like all others just care about money 💰 trash DEVS

[vestal silo]

Where is the joy boy?

[arctic plover]

SADBOY

[distant slate]

Just a game bro

[split halo]

Finally get me tf out of here my god

[final cliff]

Ur Kloss need more HP less accuracy

[true trench]

now try again without lily

[split halo]

10 min more like 10 days of attempts to clear

[true trench]

😏

[split halo]

I need skill ups for her

[final cliff]

Dark Moon Kloss max S3, that debuff is permanent

[pure junco]

Spend more money

[final cliff]

But that’s Life tho

[split halo]

Doesn’t the debuff go away eventually

[clever swan]

what team r u running for hoyan inferno

[full delta]

Hoyan inferno is just typical dot team

with celince

Celince, S.Sania, Fangus, Liliy

[clever swan]

without ssania i mean

[split halo]

Amazing rewards for my struggle

[full delta]

I think thats really hard to achieve right now without s.sania

for inferno

for non inferno you just run cc like kazuyo or kraken

• rosa

for pushback

and a valerian for sustain

[tall flame]

I really think the devs need to do sweeping -20% HP and -20% atk nerfs across the board to all inferno shell bosses and threshold bosses

[royal furnace]

And spd

[tall flame]

and spd yeah

[bleak citrus]

spd's the biggest i think

[tall flame]

the spd check is absolutely insane

it's inferno gear level spd checks

[main elm]

Rosa Celince Kloss Lily

[finite palm]

What was the speed needed to go first in Dokidoki inferno now again?

[indigo oyster]

270

[royal furnace]

Nah

287+

[finite palm]

[indigo oyster]

#1386829611438051398 message

[royal furnace]

Well my lily got outspd as 282 hmm

[finite palm]

Sure would be funny if there is rng in speed..

[indigo oyster]

not really i test it 5 time

unless im super lucky

[errant mountain]

there is for doki iirc

someone mad ea thread on it

[finite palm]

Well I'll see when I reach 270+

[royal furnace]

Yeah

He is my guildie

And we talked about that

[arctic plover]

yeah, that explains why I thought you need 279

[outer falcon]

If someone who trends simp like him is saying it then it's 99% likely to be real and bad

[indigo oyster]

ok that is so stupid

[brave heath]

These devs lol. Nerfing the HP instead of damage

It's almost like they do not at all test anything

[errant mountain]

yea nerfing terror HP doesnt solve anything

the issue is he just

one taps

[tired socket]

The nconana nerf is massive

Hp solves terror sort of as well

20% hp is alot for going in for one shots

[pearl knot]

all the bosses could use the speed nerf too

[brave heath]

The issue is and never was HP, HP nerf just makes it so you have to dmg check and kill it in 1 or 2 rotations.

[warped kestrel]

-20% HP, -20% ATK, -10/20 flat SPD, and whatever amount of resist needs to be nerfed to the point that 200% effect accuracy gives a 90%(the cap) chance of landing debuffs. Every inferno farming stage needs to be nerfed to that degree. We just want to auto that slop content, as it's meant to be.

[tired socket]

Yeah thats rly helpful tho?

[brave heath]

It helps but not the right way to do it

[errant mountain]

The nerfs are gonna help yes

but its just a start tbh

[tall flame]

true the effect res needs to be dramatically reduced

[brave heath]

They nerfed wrong stat and you know they were given the actual suggestions

Too dumb ig

[tall flame]

it's insane the effect acc requirement is way too high

[inland warren]

Still to be seen if you can clear with "normal" characters and without lily

[brave heath]

Rip c tried his best

[tall flame]

doesn't allow you to run hp bonus or def bonus pieces, that would allow to live through the ridiculous dmg

[arctic plover]

yeah, also it would allow to have higher speed

as you can fit an offpiece that rolled well

[brave heath]

Requiring like 200 accuracy isn't the issue, the issue is it's not even enough 🤣

[vestal silo]

Wouldn't be an issue if the sub stats could roll better. I have quad eff gear with 17% EFF, and quad speed with 16 speed. Which one seems more useful

All the sub stats besides speed feel so weak.

[brave heath]

And there is currently no grindstone or gemstone equivalent so u basically roll speed or bust

[vestal silo]

Ye

[brave heath]

Hp% atk% def% are so little amount, all the others too, when rolled as substat

[warped kestrel]

I don't mind substats having low rolls, because that means I'll probably have to farm less in the long run. Compared to games like SW where the stat roll variation is 4% to 8% and 3 spd to 6 spd.

[brave heath]

10% crit on 5x rolled crit lol

They can be higher values while also being lower rng on the value

They are not exclusive lol

[glass vale]

This is good. It makes the set bonuses more important and the rolls less so. F2P balancing in action

[warped kestrel]

Do you really trust gacha game devs to make things LESS rng? be realistic

Best we can get is low variation

[main elm]

this permastun mob was so faking cancer, thought I was done with this boss on normal mode but nooo0o0o0000oo

[brave heath]

I don't trust these devs to do anything

They get a lot of feedback and suggestions funneled to them, and don't do any of it out of idk, spite or stupidity or stubbornness or greed or all of them

[vestal silo]

The problem is that the gears simply can't roll high besides speed. I don't mind that the gear roll diff is not as crazy like in E7. There you can roll 4-8% here it's literally 2-3%... The sub stats are mostly meaningless. That's my problem make stuff at least 4-6.

[warped kestrel]

This will make getting into PvP easier though, since you don't have to fish for max 8% rolls

[vestal silo]

If we could farm stronger gear we could actually clear inferno too without all this bs that is going on

[glass vale]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-this-guy-gets-it-gif-9964726

[brave heath]

Yes the guys with quad/Penta rolled speed are definitely not still stomping those with 2/3 rolled speed

Just cuz it's lower

[finite swallow]

Speed isn't everything

[errant mountain]

it is

it literally is

revelation hard counters any bulky team in pvp

[vestal silo]

No, you just have to fish for 4 speed rolls... While all the other stats are 💩 How is that any better for getting into PvP?

[finite swallow]

maybe at low ranks lol

[arctic plover]

I thought it's intended and felt like it's a good thing.

It meant that performance of teh two characters will be close assuming they are using the same shell and set -- so the more agency is put into the player hands, instead of seeing some characters over or underperform based on the gear gap.

but it also has a downside -- you can't geargap pve either

[finite swallow]

even then

[errant mountain]

no it just is since revelation hard counters bruiser teams

[finite swallow]

a decently built unit can just get to diamond kinda fast

[brave heath]

Danehar are u diamond in rta

[finite swallow]

I'm in the EWS

[warped kestrel]

Thing is, it's easier for everyone to get a quad/penta speed roll, than it is for everyone to get a quad/penta high speed roll. Of course rolls still matter, but the difference between a penta 3 speed rolls and a penta 6 speed rolls is so big that the penta 3 speed rolls is still a trash item.

[finite swallow]

Lol

[brave heath]

So go play with all bruisers

[errant mountain]

hold on

[finite swallow]

I hit top 100 using cachi as my staple pick

[errant mountain]

lemme go find it

[brave heath]

No speed contesters

[finite swallow]

my fastest unit was 242

[brave heath]

Cap

[finite swallow]

pve units do really bad into the top meta

it's all basically viper vs turandot

in our lobbies

[brave heath]

Viper sleeper op but ye I still do not believe ur fastest unit u use is 242

[errant mountain]

yea

there it is

revelation hard countering every bulky team is fair and balanced

[glass vale]

In E7 two people can sit next to each other, both penta speed and one has an 18 and the other has a 28. That just doesn't happen here. Speed is so much easier to get it's crazy

[errant mountain]

2 supports oneshotting a bulky team

[warped kestrel]

It's the same in SW. There's of course still a shitshow of RNG involved in rolling gear here, but the less variation there is between stats, the less we will all have to farm for our 30 different sets of perfectly rolled gear.

[finite swallow]

First off the viper wouldn't have gotten cc'd in our matches lol

then once viper S3 counters

revelation only goes off of your atk

[brave heath]

I will say as poorly designed as the changes are, at least they did SOMETHING

[finite swallow]

once your atk down'd it doesn't hit as hard

[glass vale]

Getting into PvP is so much easier here and all the gear has a much more attainable ceiling. Even low spenders can compete

[finite swallow]

so then you take your next turn cause you went speed while the omega eff res gigabyte sania/linglao just push to give heal/immunity

[vestal silo]

You don't get it. I'm not saying we need higher roll disparity. I say we need better subs. Cos speed van roll 2-4 just like in E7, while atk, EFF etc can roll 2-4% which is not nearly as good.

[finite swallow]

and then you got a 6-8 min banger on your hand

[warped kestrel]

This would be true if Inferno wasn't so hellish to get into. Once they nerf it to a point that everyone can actually autofarm all inferno dungeons with 100% success rate, this game will be a lot more friendly to even casuals.

[vestal silo]

Speed is simply waaay better than all the other stats

[finite swallow]

cause that's what our matches look like

the reason why turandot is so prevelent is cause of the strip

[warped kestrel]

Whales will still have the advantage of max dupes and roster diversity, but that's inevitable and at the end of the day, the game has to make money somehow.

[finite swallow]

which is why its viper vs turandot

[abstract pier]

I feel pve is gated behind the spd substat rolls, since you can't just slap a main stat speed. You will need to get at least 2-3 rolls into speed for ALL your units which is super dumb. imo Speed should be nerfed in all pve content

[glass vale]

I still remember after the beta people telling me no one would ever build Turandot 🤣

[outer falcon]

I spent 9m yesterday and my fastest set is still like +125 after my fastest set before spending 9m being ||125||

[warped kestrel]

Thing is, why do you want higher stats? (they will make it so there's more disparity if they ever raise it btw, it's a gacha game, devs love increasing RNG) - If the issue is that PvE content is too hard for our shitty 3% rolls (it is) the solution is to nerf the PvE difficulty, not to increase the substat values (and therefore the range disparity of rolls that will inevitably come with that considering that this is a gacha game)

[finite swallow]

Honestly it was the shadow buffs that did it @glass vale

Idk at what point they decided to make turandot our third 128 speed unit and the sociopath who discovered that change

but once it crept in like a week ago

that's what our meta's evolved to

[vestal silo]

So are you ok with all the stats being useless besides speed? Why is it so bad to ask for gear that shouldn't be toasted the moment it won't roll speed 3-4 times at least. It's just dumb speed chasing with no real alternatives.

Cos that's all the end game gonna look like in a few months

Be it PvP or PvE

[glass vale]

If you think all the substats are useless other than speed I think you're too lost already 😅

[warped kestrel]

I'm just thinking about this from the perspective of "I want to farm this for 1-3 years and have enough gear to PvP for life" as someone who has spent the last 10 years autofarming in Summoners War and still doesn't have enough max speed rolled runes.

[brave heath]

Ok so apparently there must be a bug in arena or something, look at defense replays and my mio is somehow behind on first turn to my 60 speed lower tsukiyomi 🤡

[vestal silo]

What would you take? 17 eff or 16 speed. Both are quad rolls. Don't tell me you value 17 EFF as high as even 12 speed.

[finite swallow]

I'm not a tank down player, but I think the tank down would take the eff lol if they playing tank down vs tank down. Ya'll haven't been grinded down by an eff res sania lol and it shows.

[main elm]

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3 more speed + HP vs 60% more ACC

tough choice

[glass vale]

This usually happens to me when I've moved gear around for farming stuff.

Anyone in Mythic wants some free wins my whole defence team is ungeared atm while I'm farming shells 🤣

[brave heath]

For anything that isn't pvp that's easy choice lol

[main elm]

this is strictly pvp

PvE ofc I'll go more ACC

[brave heath]

Honestly it still maybe could be accuracy depends

[main elm]

I don't think anyone in PvP building EffectRes

[brave heath]

Not true

[main elm]

haven't seen any so far

in top 50 at least

[finite swallow]

You aren't really playing pvp then fam

what in top 50

[main elm]

top 50 is all speed fiesta

[brave heath]

Top 50 arena or rta

[finite swallow]

bro there's plenty of eff res healers

in RTA

[main elm]

arena, fuck RTA, time consuming

[finite swallow]

arena its just speed

[glass vale]

ERs really important in top RTA

[finite swallow]

cause its ai battling

[brave heath]

Arenas just get rank for awards not really relevant

Rewards*

[warped kestrel]

Mio doesn't need EffAcc to do her job as first turn turn meter pusher, does she? Can she miss the turn meter steal and just not boost allied turn meter? It hasn't happened to me yet.

[main elm]

mine was always 130+ and she did miss some, on fast lily even

prob the 10% shit

[warped kestrel]

Could also be that the SPD UP is pushing them anyway even when she misses

Every single time I've used her S3, my units move forward

[ornate moth]

lil bro won’t engage with arguments so he builds a straw man to fight, classic

[crude sparrow]

they listened

nico and terror nerfed

[ruby canyon]

vice is so good holy shit

[finite palm]

Almost 30k posts, we're getting there

[gilded mirage]

They also nerfing Nico and Terror so atleast the "entrance" is going to be easier

[sudden wedge]

nico was the easiest shell boss

now diting will 2 shot it

[ornate moth]

doki was also the entrance to inferno I feel like

much moreso than terror unless u had dot cheese

[split halo]

Its soo frustrating I finally can beat infirno Nico at times just to get epic shellls like wtf

[final cliff]

Inferno nerf next reset though

[vague violet]

The issue is a number of factors. One the rather steep gear checks and stat checks. Two the massive holes in progression and general lack of balance. You can see this in the recent events that horrid train thing and even the three tier PVE grid like dungeon that requires numerous teams, combinations, and again more gear in stat checks. It seems silly to release content that realistically 80 to 90% of the player base will not be able to complete or progress in for months. Spending certainly speeds things along, but you’re still at the mercy of RNG, stacked on RNG when it comes to stats and gear roles to even make it over any of these hurdles. So it’s a number of problems all leading to a rather unpleasant experience for many.

[final cliff]

Nah fam if every1 have Mythic…. Is it Really Mythical

[split halo]

Why next reset and not now like when they be nerfing units like bruh

[vague violet]

And they’re also doing that thing where they’re releasing the LD or Apex or whatever you wanna call it characters as a solution to a lot of their bad design

[final cliff]

They were watching the 2x for data and feedback I think

[split halo]

Feels like a pay wall if you don’t got ssania gg

[final cliff]

I kinda want new units to solve problems tbh, or else u get a lot of must Skip post
So YELI plus Ditting should be able to clear zinfernos

[split halo]

Not much strategy to be had you either got the unit or not

[gilded mirage]

Terror is skippable tbh. Nico though was definitely a huge gate to progression

[crimson ingot]

Some of the contents in this game are unnecessarily difficult. I don't grind as much in games, but I really went all in even as an F2P in this game and it doesn't even feel rewarding at all. I feel like I'm not even progressing anymore.

[final cliff]

Yeah Nico thankfully is nerfed

[split halo]

It hasn’t happened yet like bs we have to wait for reset for it

[warped kestrel]

Gacha units to solve PvE problems is terrible, because not everyone can or will get them. If being unlucky with which units you get means that you should uninstall the game because you quite literally cannot progress any further, it's bad game design.

[split halo]

Great game terrible devs

[twilit vault]

i used Vice today in several last third Ethernet Rally stages successfully, he's great

[final cliff]

True but unlike another games I play Raid, they have 800 units. We only have 57? So it feels like Must pulls now

But if I just relax, more units and interesting Kits will come and it’ll be aight

[ornate moth]

bro has 6/6 furyedge telling others terror is skippable 😭

[gilded mirage]

And it was never core for anything lmao

[final cliff]

Terror with 20% HP lowered should make well built Ditting viable

In UTUBE there’s already Hoyan Ditting team, should be more consistent now

[gilded mirage]

All it did is... speed things up. Core of my Xiada build is Battlewill revelation

[ornate moth]

I’m just messing with u I agree altho it is annoying for my completionism/competitiveness to still not be able to clear terrormaton

[gilded mirage]

The nerfs should help but they were milder than I thought (Where my Rengokutsu nerf)

[ornate moth]

And I really would like furyedge on my diting at least

[ruby canyon]

vice carried my garbage green team vs dahlia frfr

[twilit vault]

ye same

prevented her from using the aoe parasitic attack entirely, whittled her down over the course of 6 minutes with Massiah

[split halo]

Who do I give this to

[scarlet talon]

Me.

[mental mural]

Freya

[split halo]

Don’t have

[mental mural]

Mio

[quick sapphire]

He lives!

[nova island]

and he helped us

(thanks for the added lines to the patch notes jack)

hoyon is still ssania farm BUT maybe they have some plans for that (yeli?)

[left snow]

niconona nerf was kinda weird ngl

hoyan is wayyyyyy more problematic than anything else

[nova island]

yeah, but get people into inferno easier, i get the idea

either they have a plan for hoyon already or somehting i would think

maybe a new char made for it

[left snow]

thats just gonna make people doompost harder imo lol

"cashgrab game makes a character to clear a stupid boss"

i can already see this channel going wild

[nova island]

at least it wouldnt be all ssania in recents

[rustic sonnet]

only option is nerfing all inferno HP pools hard, Otherwise EoS

[nova island]

and i think all reng clears have lily too?

[left snow]

no

[drowsy gust]

Afternoon my lovelies I see they got some inferno nerfs cooking. I am happy to have Jack come out of slumber and finally an announcement after so much radio silence. Obviously I'm not switching sides to the white knights or anything but I do recognize objectively that a step in the right direction has been made. That being said 2/7 inferno bosses nerfed is weird but hopefully that just means they wanna get some nerfs out now while looking at the other ones and if Jack not only gets some momentum going but improves on it then I have much hope for the future

[nova island]

i like it

get people INTO inferno

assuming they have something planned for non lily clears of sharon/reg and non ssania clears of hoyon 🙂

[left snow]

i think terror nerf is good, but i honestly feel weird about nico nerf. she feels the easiest shell farm already

[nova island]

undergreared ppl can now start farming inferno shells for sure

i like it

[left snow]

i guess you are right

all of niconana shells are good

others have some very niche shells

[nova island]

just need the theorycraffters to find non-lily/ssania comps for sharon/hoyon/reng

or new chars to help

[left snow]

sharon already has a very f2p friendly team

[drowsy gust]

I guess if the devs really don't wanna nerf all of them then I can take several inferno nerfs as a compromise the base stat increases from inferno shells will really help in other aspects of the game

[nova island]

i wonder if yeli is a main single target dps, support, aoe deps etc

[left snow]

actually wait it has lily

nvm lol

[royal furnace]

You can't ssania sharon or rengo anyways

[left snow]

no you cant

they are both dot immune

[nova island]

yeah u use lily there

i think all cleras have lilies

[left snow]

kazuyo red should work

i can test in a bit

same team except lily out kazami in

[nova island]

you dont have enough dps that way

[left snow]

i survive for a very long time, but i guess i have high end gear after 2x

also my diting already has furyedge white fang

so ig not a good comparison

[nova island]

i really hope yeli will help

[left snow]

same

her kit does seem pretty loaded by the sound of it

but you never know before actually reading the kit

[nova island]

i cant even tell her role by the description, a bit of everything 🙂

[royal furnace]

Dps

[nova island]

i was thinking more a sub-dps/support

cant be debuffed, defense down

hard to say

[left snow]

translation felt a bit off

[royal furnace]

We dont know yet what she dispels and how often

[left snow]

i remember something about self dispel

that sounds like cleanse to me

or just bad translation ?

[royal furnace]

Yes

Its self cleanse

[nova island]

cant wait to see her kit

[left snow]

gotcha

[outer falcon]

she sounds a little bit like an amalgam of the boomerang twins from summoners war but self-contained

[left snow]

at first i thought she was like holden but L/D unit

with defense down + dispel

[outer falcon]

in the same way that lilith is a combination of an SW oracle and an SW occult girl

[drowsy gust]

Would be nice to have a kit preview video but apparently they like to just save those for the absolute last second

[left snow]

but self dispel being cleanse makes sense

[nova island]

dont other gachas release previews like at least a week in advance, or am i remembering wrong?

[left snow]

in wuwa if you follow leaks you would know before a month lol

[outer falcon]

they'll do teaser stills, then trailers, then kit previews, or do kit previews in the trailers, but they'll give people like a week or more of hype yes

[drowsy gust]

Epic Seven gives us 2 weeks notice

[nova island]

maybe because this game is so new, they want u still purchasing the existing chars for as long as possible 🙂

[left snow]

christian really should give this feedback to devs

48 hours before release is not sustainable long term

[nova island]

someone gotta make a feedback thread for that 🙂

[drowsy gust]

Just gotta hope this time around the kit in the video is what we get on release and if they are gonna change it maybe give people a headsup

[left snow]

btw what was the drama about kit in the video and release thing ?

[tardy ocean]

I think, and I could be off base here, just my experience from other gacha's of the genre talking. I think, the reason why only Terra, Doki, and Nico Nama inferno were nerfed is because they are the preverbial stepping stone that will catapult you into the much harder inferno stages. I could be wrong but that is my thought process. It kinda reminds me of Epic 7 in a way.

[left snow]

i heard this many times but not sure whats it referring to

[left snow]

this does make a lot of sense tbh

[tardy ocean]

Yeah because Doki is where you get your speed, and Harvest and stuff, Terra your attack, and health sets if you will.

[drowsy gust]

I have a feeling that is the intention as well but we'll need to do some actual testing to see

Like I want to be optimistic because if I'm not people are gonna be like oh you doomposters can never be satisfied but I'm skeptical after what caused this chaos in the first place

[left snow]

yep and nico shells are all used very often

[drowsy gust]

Hoyan's kit ingame is still different from the preview video to this day. Mostly because they just uploaded what she was like in the beta instead of how they were gonna release her. This is further evidenced in the first upload of the video before it was taken down the end of the video said January lol

Because they gave no notice her kit was going to be different on release than what was shown in the preview video that is still up btw it feels kinda icky

[left snow]

btw off topic but anybody figured out the damage formula for this game ?

[nova island]

i think prydwen has all the formulas but appear to be gatekeeping them?

[left snow]

for revelation users, would onslaught/battlewill/furyedge be the most optimal option ?

[drowsy gust]

Haven't seen any but it took awhile for the staff to drop us confirmation innate resistance is a thing

[left snow]

it doesnt wokr at all

feels like they pulled it out of their ass ngl lol

[arctic plover]

defense multiplier = (900)/(defense + 900)
all damage multipliers (shell third slot, matrix bonuses, victor passive) are multiplicative with each other.

that's all you need to know

[outer falcon]

People act like you shouldn't keep pushing after something is fixed, pretending the company isn't going to keep pushing in the other direction to always give as little as possible

[drowsy gust]

Yeah that's why I stressed I recognize objectively that steps in the right direction have been made but not only do we have to wait and see but also maybe we could have a little more

But even being as diplomatic as that I'm a doomposter for not taking it and soyfacing devs listened

[errant mountain]

They really need to nerf more than just terror/niconana though

it's not enough

[dreamy cliff]

THEY'VE HEARD OUR PRAYERS!

[grand roost]

what they really need to change is the fucking amount of time you need daily to farm like wtf is this

[drowsy gust]

Yeah a lot of my launch guildies quit because of how long it took to spend stamina

[scarlet quartz]

that is directly linked to inferno difficulty

if the non ssania runs didnt take 2-3mins each it wouldnt be an issue

[warped kestrel]

So, you feel weird about Nico being made easier, why is that? If you want her to be harder, take modules off of your character and you can make her harder than she has ever been. It's a farming stage in an autobattle gacha game.

[left snow]

you know if you took a moment to think you would realize thats not what i meant

nerfing the easiest shell farm instead of harder shell farms was what i found weird

like hoyan which is absolute aids

[warped kestrel]

They're not mutually exclusive. Just because there are harder stages that definitely should have their difficulty lowered doesn't mean Nico shouldn't also. You phrased it almost as if you were complaining that she got nerfed.

[royal otter]

Is my criticism to the game valid now? Btw not much of a flex, etherena is easy as fuck.

[drowsy gust]

Flamel I love you usually you're my goat and I'm always biased to maomao profile pics but I wasn't getting that vibe at all

[left snow]

wait did somebody really try to flex on you by sending their etherna rank ?

🤣

[royal otter]

Yeah, so cringe

[left snow]

i swear ssania players are all brainrotten

[warped kestrel]

I don't know how else to interpret "i honestly feel weird about nico nerf. she feels the easiest shell farm already" - if the issue is that others deserved it more, then just complain about the other stages not getting nerfed yet. Nico also needed to get nerfed, they all do.

[drowsy gust]

The vibe I was getting was like you're asking for one thing but then someone does something else and acts like they did you a massive favour

[warped kestrel]

Even Doki, arguably the easiest one, should be a little easier.

[left snow]

yes thank you

i even said they should have nerfed hoyan instead earlier today

when the nerfs were first announced

niconana has the most teams available for shell farming and some of them are low investment, meanwhile hoyan is locked behind ssania package

and revelation is goated

[drowsy gust]

They took a step in the right direction but there are still major glaring issues at present

[warped kestrel]

Well, I want them to nerf ALL of the Inferno stages, I have no idea why they only nerfed 2 of them as if they're the only problem, but I won't complain that they nerfed those 2.

[left snow]

because it feels like they are nerfing the already "solved" shell farm as opposed to actually problematic ones

[drowsy gust]

Yeah I'm trying to be diplomatic and recognize objectively a step in the right direction was taken since apparently I should be on my knees and offering my firstborn for 2 of the many infernos being nerfed

[left snow]

yeah

it could be that they are actually taking steps in the right direction

or its just giving us carrot for now to distract us but we still cant farm hoyan

guess im just too pessimistic

[dreamy cliff]

@drowsy gust Is extremely diplomatic. He's the only person that can make Jack talk.

[drowsy gust]

Lmao trueeeeee

true and real

[warped kestrel]

Terro and Nico were not solved before the nerfs, every team I've seen runs a bunch of at the very least gacha SSRs or is very inconsistent/has to be manualled, or both. Until every player is guaranteed to be able to beat every Inferno stage once they get a team of correct affinity, correct buffs/debuffs/mechanics, and +15 mythic gear, I won't see them as "solved."

[left snow]

there are non ssania auto teams for niconana already

[warped kestrel]

^ On auto btw, this is an autobattle gacha game.

[warped kestrel]

How many gacha SSRs are they running, how consistent are they?

[nova island]

this is a good way to get us started... i am happy they did hear us and made a decision

[left snow]

80% wr which is decent i would say and its a rosa-viper team

[warped kestrel]

1 gacha SSR is acceptable, since that's what the game guarantees through selector, beyond that, some people will just be excluded if they're unlucky enough.

[left snow]

i also saw more but thats the only one i can recall atm

[nova island]

there is f2p in my guild killing nico now with vice 🙂

[naive sluice]

full auto, 90% win rate

[warped kestrel]

2 LD SSRs

[left snow]

thats impressive actually

[drowsy gust]

Yeah I still want more from the devs but I straight up said yesterday if we continued getting radio silence by july 1st I'd quit the game so for me to not accept that Jack woke up from his slumber for a moment and them actually dropping us some inferno nerfs even if they're minor would be hypocritcal of me

[naive sluice]

still needed some Ld units

[left snow]

viper-rosa-linglou package can auto with good consistency

but it takes a while

[drowsy gust]

@warped kestrel gonna crash out if Yeli ends up solving inferno because hot damn is it a look that the new ld ssr solves inferno before true nerfs lol

[nova island]

for inferno nico pre-nerf i can clear easy with a bunch of teams including: any dps + mia + cachi + healer (ling/valerian)

[warped kestrel]

I'm happy they're doing something about it, I dunno why they're being so conservative with it, but hey, they're addressing it.

[drowsy gust]

Yeah I'm trying my absolute best to be as diplomatic as possible while still asking for more

[nova island]

its a good start

[drowsy gust]

Because apparently I'm a doomposter who wants this game to fail and not someone who spent money both during the beta and launch, shilled this game to his e7 guild, and is one of the few people in that e7 guild still playing this game

[nova island]

now its wait till next patch and complain again if all we see is ssania clears on hoyon and lily clears on sharon/reng

so they are good for a week or two 🙂

[drowsy gust]

Like Jack doesn't realize he has some major rizz

Him showing up for just a second got me all optimistic and shit man

[nova island]

he showed up, THEN fixed the patch notes after

u know he told them to

[warped stump]

because it's clear they intend inferno to not be cakewalk content

i thought this was extremely obvious with how lightly they touch the content and how hard they buffed it when people were bulldozing it in beta

[nova island]

yeah thats fine.. as long as everyone (f2p) have a CHANCE to clear it

[warped kestrel]

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