inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[chrome meteor]

my rilmocha

barely does any damage tbh

so i swapped to this

[minor rover]

you need count on her for inferno

[chrome meteor]

i mean

that was inferno

[minor rover]

[gilded mason]

bruh why are there so many 2 matrix in inferno

its like the same as hell 4

[pure junco]

yeah it’s genuinely horrible…

[gilded mason]

did they just copy hell 4 drop rate and just add 2 sets

[pure junco]

most definitely lol

also so freaking dumb that inferno terromaton has immunity… take that shit out

[minor rover]

and the constant purify of one debuff xD

[gilded mason]

terro is seriously overtuned tbh

been trying to do the veronika team but the speed tuning has to be on point, and even then the run isnt stable

[pure junco]

yeah the whole gimmick of the boss that has been the same from normal to hell 4 is the same and then it’s suddenly a completely other boss on inferno wtf

[gilded mason]

They added the 30% turn meter push resist

and buffed its hp

Then nerfed the best turn meter push units as well

[minor rover]

veronika has to be +146 above speed

[pure junco]

like my +10 skilled up dinah can just go die now since you have to bring a stripper + valerian

[gilded mason]

That's why all you see is DOT

[gilded mason]

yeah mine is

im having issue with diting not being fast enough to move before the arm gives def buff

[minor rover]

oh u using diting

[gilded mason]

so im farming terro hell 4 for spd lol

[gilded mason]

is there an alternative?

[minor rover]

i mean the best would be dot

[pure junco]

dot team

[gilded mason]

oh yea i dont have ssania

[minor rover]

next best is diting/ khloross/ massiah/ holden

[gilded mason]

so i dont have a choice

[minor rover]

gonna be rough

[gilded mason]

yea wygd

great balance devs

[minor rover]

yea lmao

[pure junco]

sooo 100 runs on inferno niconana and 0 triple matrice shell.. what a joke

[gilded mason]

99% of terro inferno clears = ssania dot team

devs: "we dont see the problem"

[gilded mason]

i heard inferno shell boss still drops epic shells

[minor rover]

do u have lily

[gilded mason]

me? yeah

[pure junco]

Yeah, too much epic shells still

[minor rover]

hmm, u could run a tanky dot team without ssania

[minor rover]

not sure if anyone has tried it, but i think it might work with lily fangus

[pure junco]

I’m sorry but inferno should ONLY drop mythics, it’s already rng enough to not get triple matrices

[gilded mason]

im out of purple lattice

[minor rover]

run artisans, and cachi the guard

[minor rover]

oh right another core issue of the game

[gilded mason]

yeah seriously

they just copy paste hell mode drop rate and added triple matrice

[pure junco]

literally

[gilded mason]

The special modules from inferno boss also have garbage drop rate

F2P or low spender can only refresh maybe 3-4 times a day

with so much rng and shit to farm with garbage drop rate

[pure junco]

so many 2x matrices only still bro

[gilded mason]

progress is slow like snail

[gilded mason]

yup same for me on doki2 lol

half of the module are 2 matrix

[pure junco]

I’ve been no failing doki 4 and trust me half of them are still 2 matrices

yeah lol

[gilded mason]

so not only is inferno overtuned

the drop rate is shit and there are still 2 matrix set

💀

[undone vortex]

u should tag jack and let em know

[gilded mason]

bruh that dude

prolly already ran off to the caribbean for holiday

[jolly relic]

nerf the farm bosses pls omfg

[undone vortex]

yea hes currently on yacht #5 paid for by taketsumi's whaling

[jolly relic]

[gilded mason]

the only remotely doable inferno is doki2 tbh

the other 2 are just

https://tenor.com/view/mane-im-dead-gif-6502286207230651503

[undone vortex]

tell them to whack green kururu

[pure junco]

Let's just hire Kururu

30k Gems

[uncut blade]

[cerulean bison]

hi guys , do we know drop rates of hell 4 and inferno

[prisma scarab]

bruh this game is supposed to be a marathon not a sprint, why are you all acting like everyone should be able to clear inferno, the last stage, in 3 weeks. It‘s not that inferno is unbeatable, it‘s just very difficult as it should be. So just play the game and make your teams better.

[charred minnow]

Imho another 2x will be an even playing field for all most ppl burning all now

[minor rover]

ppl are having issues with the hassle of farming infernos, not clearing, most people have cleared infernos

[frozen stone]

Did someone drop you when u were a kid

[charred minnow]

^

Ohwell I will never understand why ppl have to glaze companies and defend them without even knowing/earning their trust first

Same is gonna happen with chrono odyssey ppl will defend the state of that game while it's half baked

Btw @prisma scarab I can clear dokidoki very easy as in I one shot the 2 waves back to back... My team is clearly strong enough, but then I am gated behind; innate 10% effect res, rng targetting of the enemy stunning my important units while having off-affinity units, rng of debuffs hitting

[lethal matrix]

you guys wull go beyoned 20k messages

[prisma scarab]

Imagine insulting someone just because don‘t agree with him on an opinion in a videogame. Guess someone really got dropped as a kid.

[lethal matrix]

lol

[surreal bobcat]

dont worry to combat ALL that rng you just have to win the speed rng and then get an even stronger one shot team

[charred minnow]

And the only way to do that is farm inferno for the swiftraid or aurora for the swiftsmite set

[surreal bobcat]

actually you can just min max your gear with all the modules you are getting from 2x, see you in 6 years for that one. ggs

[frozen stone]

Marathon guy if it was hard for everyone it’s fine but people with 2 specific ld characters can clear it with lower investment

[charred minnow]

Thx for tip I'll go do that rn

[minor rover]

just buy from the shop if you lack yellow and purple lattice just that easy

[surreal bobcat]

no worries, also remember if you dont have lilly or Ssania, you can always buy more summons and lattices

[prisma scarab]

Uhm yeah since all charackters are infact different to each other, some are very good in specific content and others not. Isn’t that normal in gacha game hahaha

[charred minnow]

I got all characters and all lattices 😭

[minor rover]

also rmb its a marathon not a sprint

[charred minnow]

Not sure if youre being sarcastic or if you're just a whole ass clown

[frozen stone]

Marathon guy those ld 2 units can clear everything infenro except one

[minor rover]

ofc im being sarcastic

[charred minnow]

Okay then I take the second part back lmao

[minor rover]

its just this der echte mofo keeps spaming the same line

[charred minnow]

[prisma scarab]

Sania in dokidoki or aurora ? Wouldn‘t think she works outside of terror in the thresholds hahaha

[charred minnow]

Did you clear inferno yet?

[frozen stone]

Yeah someone dropped you

[prisma scarab]

Obviously yes

[charred minnow]

What teams?

[upbeat breach]

You can run dot in doki too 🤣

[prisma scarab]

How?

[upbeat breach]

Not sure anyone did in this version, but it was working before, just not as efficient

[minor rover]

he's avoiding to say lily

[surreal bobcat]

then read all the teams in the pins, man its so easy

[gilded mason]

its a marathon thru a forest full of traps, wild animals, and bandits

[charred minnow]

I honestly think he didnt clear at all

[prisma scarab]

Not using Lily for Aurora and dokidoki, just for terror

[upbeat breach]

why you wouldnt run lily for aurora or doki when she is broken there?

[minor rover]

its a marathon that spans 2 days of 2x drop, just take ur time!

[charred minnow]

Only people defending inferno rn are ppl who didnt clear inferno

[gilded mason]

yeah i thought inferno drop rate was gonna be better

i was wrong

[charred minnow]

I am just auto farming hell 4

[gilded mason]

its basically hell 5

[prisma scarab]

messes up speeds in the teams

[gilded mason]

or hell 4.9

LOL

[charred minnow]

Need good 3x matrix pieces anyways for non-infernon sets

[upbeat breach]

Not when you fix her speed...

[surreal bobcat]

they should add full immunity to all threshold and shell bosses, with a 90% dmg reduction and 100% chance to dispell all buffs at the end of every turn

[pure junco]

Now that I have Lily.... What is this madness?

[prisma scarab]

Yeah but maybe my lily is in a Arena defense

[upbeat breach]

So? Are you top 20 in the arena defense?

[surreal bobcat]

refund

[pure junco]

Delete Account

Game too easy now

[charred minnow]

show your profile with clears?

[surreal bobcat]

still doesnt clear inferno

[prisma scarab]

Top 250 but obviously aiming higher

[upbeat breach]

Arena position will only matter next sunday and only for top 100, until then you only need to be mythic and that is it

[pure junco]

😭 Let me dream Astrial!!!!

[prisma scarab]

I can show you, but you will only see the fastest clears with lily

[finite palm]

I can clear Nico inferno consistently now but I still need to figure out how to clear any of the inferno module stages to even use the 6pc (when I get one)

[surreal bobcat]

DoT

[finite palm]

😭

Even f2p dot?

[pure junco]

Lmao I can feel your pain

[finite palm]

I don't have LIly or SSania

[charred minnow]

devs hate you, you've not been chosen to be part of the inferno clearing group

[minor rover]

tat is major cooked ngl

[surreal bobcat]

i mean yeah, you can obol/fangus hoyan

terror, solo fangus maybe abit weird

[pure junco]

F2P dot is mostly wound as far as a chunk of SRs go.

[pure junco]

Manual Required Each sold separately.

[finite palm]

I've been building the wall comp which is what I'm using in Nico (Kaz Cachi Mia + Rosa) right now so hopefully I can clear terror with it but I don't think my gear is good enough

Ngl I'm just holding out right now but if they don't adress this I don't know how long I can keep myself playing this game

[frozen stone]

Don’t do it without lily it sucks

Save your resources

[charred minnow]

ye best thing to do, just keep farming the previous difficulty on auto

if they don't do anything you won't have that much time invested cuz you auto'd everything, or if they do adress anything you'll still have a good chunk of gear

[finite palm]

Atleast my Nico clear is ~3 min on auto and like 80-90% consistent

[pure junco]

Day 4 of me cursing Sharon

[pure junco]

Well, there's a few days left for this month. It's either wait longer, or stop then

[charred minnow]

I'll just keep auto'ing until I get bored to death

[stable dagger]

the pain

[minor rover]

[upbeat breach]

That is a fat khloros

[stable dagger]

he's ma boy I'm still fishing for 1 cdmg module i think that's the only boost that I'll need to beat inferno

[pure junco]

That checks out

[undone vortex]

boutta be etheria stopped with the content I'm seeing CCs make

[finite palm]

I heard about the brax video, who else is quitting?

[undone vortex]

idk most gacha CCs that talk give me hives

[pure junco]

Back to Epic Seven

[undone vortex]

I'm sure a good chunk of the sponsored CCs dipped after cashing the check lol

[jolly relic]

E7 genuinely has better farming

[charred minnow]

tbf brax has some half baked opinions in there hahah

the best kind of auto farming

[pure junco]

Well yeah, only the unsponsored CCs are speaking out

[arctic plover]

brax hasn't experienced old games, his perception is how most newcomers will see things

[undone vortex]

the farming in ER is like mostly manual ubless u hit the jackpot but u have to sit through the dumb loading screen cuz there's no play again

[vast dust]

I get that it's supposed to be hard but like damn don't limit me with team building. I have a life. Not even Dislyte and their greedy ass is like this.

[arctic plover]

just because you ate shit 8y ago in summoner's war doesn't mean it's what new people will compare it to

[charred minnow]

not even required to have PvP esque speed stats to clear Hell stages

[winged ocean]

brax opened reddit and feedback thread and decided to make a video, he hasn't even played the game more than 2 days

[pure junco]

Brax also spends most of his time playing wuwa these days

[finite palm]

Doesn't surprise me, coming from playing hoyo games (and wuwa) this game is really different so I had to let go of a lot of preconceptions

[undone vortex]

but yea farming mostly manual on h4 and getting fantastic double matrix pieces or epic shells 🤪

[finite palm]

I can farm one inferno stage on auto and can't farm any other inferno

[undone vortex]

and there's no play again button

why is there no play again button

[pure junco]

🤣 One of the many many many things missing

[arctic plover]

it's easier to outspeed master arena players than to outspeed pve

[undone vortex]

still can't farm auto in hell 4 😔

[charred minnow]

game has too many small issues piled up making the hard difficulty even harder

[gilded mason]

Because they didnt expect you to do 1 battle at a time

[undone vortex]

my issue is it's mostly manual farming unless u get lucky

u can spend 1k and not get Lily as that other dude did

[winged ocean]

even if you get lucky you have to manual terror inferno unless you get 4 codexes and decent gear

[pure junco]

That 7 losses 3 wins to 9 wins 1 lose ratio is wild huh? 🤣

[gilded mason]

Nah devs just have no clue how to balance their game. They tried to introduce too many shells and sets with op effects, and the characters are also overtuned. So all they can do is buff the bosses

[upbeat breach]

you dont need to manual with lily+sania at all

[charred minnow]

with decent succes rate?

maybe my build is lacking for auto atm, but could you share your stats?

[winged ocean]

you do unless you have at least 2 decently rolled codexes and i would say 3+

[upbeat breach]

I can auto terror without lily for example

[charred minnow]

is it in pins or?

[winged ocean]

yes but what is your success rate?

[pure junco]

Also.... They'd assume if you're able to obtain prior shells, that'll automatically help you win the current stage

[winged ocean]

i can auto it too but 2-8 is not good

[upbeat breach]

Sania, Fangus, Holden, Valerian and Hellkid

[charred minnow]

hellkid very fast?

and codex on hellkid?

[upbeat breach]

Nope, had no gear left 🤣

[pure junco]

😭 I want Helkid

[upbeat breach]

He is just there to cast shield 2 times and give me time to rotate with Sania's dumb AI

[undone vortex]

I want an ssr that isn't a dupe

[charred minnow]

so hellkid with codex?

can you show me some stats if you wouldn't mind

[upbeat breach]

Yeah codex

[charred minnow]

would love to try it out

[upbeat breach]

just need to finish tournament

[charred minnow]

better win that

[upbeat breach]

Builds are shit because i am farming🤣

[charred minnow]

hahaha

[upbeat breach]

kaz starter

[charred minnow]

I like seeing all these modules tho

decent chunk of them are 3x matrix

[upbeat breach]

Hell kid build

a full mess of leftover gear

yellow one is the one that I use for terror

[charred minnow]

is crit dmg important?

[upbeat breach]

Fangus, Sania and holden all have 265+ speed

[upbeat breach]

nope, I just wanted speed and atack

[charred minnow]

ight

[upbeat breach]

mostly atack

[charred minnow]

so basically Hellkids job is doing ult 2x

[upbeat breach]

exactly

[charred minnow]

I suppose Holden first, into Sania, fangus?

not faster than main body or are they

[upbeat breach]

fangus before sania

all faster than main body

[charred minnow]

thanks for the tips

should be able to build something like that

[upbeat breach]

Only way I could make valerian work, otherwise someone would get snipped, she would leave the dream and no one would get shielded

Is also also important to hit the speed down from fangus as soon as possible

My sania is also on speed+bramble to help a bit with counter atack

[wary fractal]

any news dearest of chatters?

[gilded mason]

News of what

[tiny sage]

Response to the feedback thread they received 6 days ago

[gilded mason]

💀

[tiny sage]

Farmable around level 55 or should be but nah just manual it because we decided we didn't want the great game from beta.

The beta game Catfished a lot of people.

[stable dagger]

wtf is that quest

[arctic plover]

similar one in shells

reach player 50
defeat inferno sharon

????

[gilded mason]

yeah baited

devs even communicated directly with ccs

sounded too good to be true

[tiny sage]

yuh

[gilded mason]

sadly it was

[turbid ridge]

they should have adjusted the mats income to upgrade units. Even if you find new strats for most ppl its impossible to pivot to new characters due to lack of shadowprints/lattice.

[gilded mason]

gated on purpose imo

[stable dagger]

players enjoy the beta for a reason idk what's going on with the devs head

[finite palm]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

Feels like the devs are this meme right now ngl

[upbeat breach]

At this point we need a permanent reset event that let us reset units for free....

[gaunt owl]

I could see them returning the reset event everytime a new hero drops.

[arctic plover]

could you? I mean it makes sense, but could you see them actually doing that

[turbid ridge]

nah only on rebalance. they lose money with resets

[upbeat breach]

So like weelky?🤣

[gaunt owl]

Yes, from a financial standpoint it convinces the spenders that the new hero they acquire won't stay on the bench and can be used if desired.

[frozen stone]

It’s a marathon not a run

[upbeat breach]

They wont do that at all, it makes no sense for them

[gaunt owl]

What does make sense for them?

[frozen stone]

https://tenor.com/view/tihi-pepega-silly-meme-gif-16389694

[turbid ridge]

if you can recall your lattice everytime a new hero drops they lose the fomo for the 30$ packs

[upbeat breach]

money

[gilded mason]

Limiting your daily stamina -> encourage you to use gems or stamina pots (which they are likely going to sell more of in future). Gems are limited and will run out, thus only whales can max refresh. Also can buy exp packs and shadowprint for real $$ from shop.

Low amount of drops/drop rate in investigation, gp outpost, rng shell, rng module, lack of gold/purple lattice and shadowprints -> encourages more stamina refresh and buying packs to supplement.

[tiny sage]

AtM its a Marathon you have to be Sprinting for the duration with no water.

[upbeat breach]

They want the skill ups to be stuck forever

[frozen stone]

Lmao

[gilded mason]

No shoes either

and road is full of shit and sharp rocks

[tiny sage]

"Just Manual Inferno for 6 hours a Day "

[frozen stone]

“ just 2 weeks why are you guys crying “

[gaunt owl]

I don't spend so haven't looked at the packs, what do these offer?

[frozen stone]

Meanwhile people with ld units are auto farming

[tiny sage]

"Just on Day 140 Stamina Wise Why Yall Crying"

[frozen stone]

Week one

[turbid ridge]

1 ssr lattice 30$

[polar musk]

[turbid ridge]

all whales buy that

[gilded mason]

Honestly i can see them selling character reset token in packs lmao

[gaunt owl]

How often?

[turbid ridge]

every week 1 and every event one aswell.

[gaunt owl]

oh wow, yeah thats heavy p2w over time

[turbid ridge]

so every month they sell like 6-8 of those 30$ packs

[frozen stone]

Btw where did the pins went

remember they are making teams with fully duped, fully skilled up units, and instead of 2 LD units, only one is needed

“f2p friendly”

[arctic plover]

f2p friendly because if a whale didn't pull lily/sania they are just as much in the shitter

[gaunt owl]

reroll friendly

[tiny sage]

imagine dropping 5k and being behind a SSania Lily haver

[gilded mason]

When 99% of teams are the same in a lot of the content

= sign of poor balance

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-argue-with-that-blair-underwood-charles-james-walker-self-made-inspired-by-the-life-of-madam-cj-walker-smiling-gif-16892003

[tiny sage]

Never Forget what they took from us...

[gilded mason]

Why the boss even have damage scaling as time goes on

doesnt encourage variance in team building

[gaunt owl]

Almost all bosses do ^^

[stable dagger]

finding a none Ssania clears is like finding a needle in a haystack

[gilded mason]

In other games as long as you can tank and outheal the damage, you can clear

[stable dagger]

the rage mechanics is straight up BS

[gilded mason]

yup

[frozen stone]

Yeah even the Chinese brothers are struggling

[gaunt owl]

10k what? 0.0

[frozen stone]

He spent but still behind f2p players

[gilded mason]

maybe RMB

which is like 1.4k usd

[gaunt owl]

I see

[gilded mason]

thats a lot

not as much as leviathans but

lmao

[arctic plover]

it's called inferno, not heaven -- you are not supposed to enjoy it

[gaunt owl]

Purgatory

[stable dagger]

they prolly expect everyone to reroll on Lily while designing the game

[gilded mason]

in beta she wasnt even needed tbh

[stable dagger]

fr

[gilded mason]

just that they nerfed every sr into the ground

and buffed the bosses

without lily OP bs

cant win

[gaunt owl]

New Change: "After careful consideration, we now consider Lily to be required, thus all new accounts will now have Lily granted as their first character rather than Lian"

90% of the player base: "Welp time to start over"

[gilded mason]

yeah with terro getting the 30% turn meter buff

lian pretty much useless

poor lian

[gaunt owl]

How much harder is inferno than hell IV? scale of 1 to 10

[stable dagger]

100

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[gilded mason]

which boss lol

[gaunt owl]

terror

[gilded mason]

doki2 probably easiest

[gilded mason]

about 2.5 to 3x

[stable dagger]

Doki is prolly the only reasonable one well it's mostly because how OP Revelation is

[gilded mason]

if you dont have valerian or veronika or something

you'll wipe in 1 turn

doki2 is reasonable

[wary fractal]

clown

[gilded mason]

but i gave up on my rilmocha and just used massiah with revelation

[gaunt owl]

do you know the speed required to go first in inferno, is it even possible?

[stable dagger]

263

[gilded mason]

i dunno if you can outspeed the arm but you can outspeed terro itself

[gaunt owl]

Gotcha

[gilded mason]

but the veronika team needs precise speedtuning

[stable dagger]

my Holden is outspeeding him with that speed, i heard 262 is not possible to outspeed him

[gaunt owl]

you go attack down first on holden?

[stable dagger]

yup strip

[gilded mason]

264 veronika outspeeds terro

[gaunt owl]

effect acc on holden?

[stable dagger]

around 90%

[floral shuttle]

Tsukoyo Mi better than Lily as an opener. And I regret not getting her on the selector..

[stable dagger]

with 2 crit rate main stats

[gaunt owl]

how do you deal with the lower base speed though?

[gilded mason]

get more speed lol

thats the only way

[stable dagger]

just get lucky

[arctic plover]

I was told steal still works at full efficiency and only turn meter delay is resisted.

So mio works, but marvel doesn't.

Haven't tried myself.

[gaunt owl]

well ofc, but end game when most top players will be properly speed tuned you will always be outsped?

[stable dagger]

and upgrade the skills with speed stats on it

[gilded mason]

pretty much yeah

unless they release a char that is similar to e7's Zio, or harsetti lol

[gaunt owl]

told by who?

[arctic plover]

guildmate

[floral shuttle]

Ember Trek being hard is understood, Anisync Echoes as well.. Even Ethernet Rally can be conquered once we get units geared up. Those contents can be hard, but overtuning farmable stages is ehh atm

[gilded mason]

dev expect you to clear terro inferno before doki2

[upbeat breach]

I think I tried with mio but she was still quite bad there

[stable dagger]

my steal on Kloss is sometimes being resisted prolly becuz of low acc

[gilded mason]

aside from her s3 she useless tbh

[upbeat breach]

Yep

Tried running codex on her for double turn meter but nor worth the slot

[gilded mason]

she seem more like pvp char

[gaunt owl]

mio = doki and pvp

[charred minnow]

@upbeat breach I replaced hellkid with lily and tried auto, can't get all units at 260+ spd ;-; but I let it do auto came back to a victory screen

didn't expect seeing that lmao

[gaunt owl]

Lily the GOAT

[jolly relic]

Lily Impact

[upbeat breach]

If you have lily it is a lot easier as long as she is targetting sania

Hellkid is just for the peasants

[charred minnow]

yeah my issue was never getting Holden quicker than Lily + having both moving infront of main body

but it's still an RNG fest

[upbeat breach]

holden has to always move before boss, so that you get the atk down

[charred minnow]

if most dots don't apply it's still a mess

[upbeat breach]

I think the speed is 263 for that

[upbeat breach]

Gotta run 200+ acc and that is it

[charred minnow]

lmao

[upbeat breach]

Most likely overkill, but since we dont have the stats it is hard to know the correct acc for it

[gaunt owl]

someone mentioned 90 for holden earlier

[upbeat breach]

Only if holden has 85% crit, otherwise 90 is too low

[gaunt owl]

yeah they ran double crit modules

[charred minnow]

well I can't really chose between so many modules if I want them at 263+ speed

[upbeat breach]

And you need at 263 in a specific order 🤣

[charred minnow]

LOL

it's such a mess

just saw Lily do twin trick on holden

but my first auto went flawless ;-;

[upbeat breach]

You need to be careful with atk and with atk up from valerian

[pure junco]

What are we waiting for! Let's do it..... Oof.

[charred minnow]

any good rewards from Module King III and IV?

[gilded mason]

same reward for iv as well

[charred minnow]

does V have a perfect lattice

[gilded mason]

Yea

[charred minnow]

thanks

[tacit spoke]

so this is what u get when u finally take the boss down

[random falcon]

[uncut mica]

could still be a 15 speeder but still OOF

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-so-funny-gif-27253208

[tardy blade]

finally aurora down

[charred minnow]

I should make an aurora and rengokutsu team and get the last 2 inferno clears done ;-;

[finite palm]

Now I only need to beat inferno terror to use this piece

😭

Recent clear for Niconana is literally only filled with SSania + Lily

Can the devs get their head out of their asses already? Wouldn't surprise if there's some higher up in XD who is forcing these decisions when they're obviously horrible

[warped kestrel]

Another day of inefficiently autoing Hell 4 or manualing Inferno for 10 hours in my PvP x10 autobattle gacha game.
https://tenor.com/view/my-pain-naruto-pain-meme-funny-gif-19233231

[mental mural]

Auto hell 4 terrormaton...
Success

[mental mural]

I used to think doing coop for hours for max rewards was bad until I experienced EtheLily Reroll

[mental mural]

Can't have that many 6 stats yet 💔

[warped kestrel]

This game is a war crime.

[mental mural]

This game is ruining my day to day life

I'm experiencing a drastic decline in my footballing abilities

[uncut blade]

Ikr

[pure junco]

On another episode of Lily Restart......

[rigid drift]

What are the requirements for Mio to be able to clear Doki on Auto? do i need s3 max as well? i just cracked the speed threshhold with 287

[bleak citrus]

she needs the effect acc to hit the S3 as well

[rigid drift]

thanks!

[rigid drift]

is 150 effect acc enough? the S3 Nodes do not seem to have any

[upbeat breach]

having a lily

[royal tulip]

So I understand that after clearing hell 4 you want inferno to be doable immediately?

[arctic plover]

hell 4 is unclocked 15 levels earlier

[limpid reef]

Nah, but the difference between hell 4 and inferno is HUGE. teams that 3 star terror hell 4 get 3 starred by the boss the next level down

[arctic plover]

I think 15 levels is a fairly large gap, don't you think?

[rigid drift]

not having one

[upbeat breach]

So go back to hell 4 🤣

[rigid drift]

I see most teams on doki not even requiring lily in inferno

[upbeat breach]

you are running the rilmocha comp?

This one?

[rigid drift]

yes thats the plan to get it to work since i have no lily

[royal tulip]

there are many CN games I played, you just need more time before doing the last stage on auto. This game is the same format

[upbeat breach]

I guess you just need codex, enough speed to go first and 200+ acc

[limpid reef]

i think i saw ONE diting team on recent clears, and none on clear time clears

thats terror btw

[rigid drift]

Thanks! but will level 1 on Mio s3 be enough or is level 3 required? do you know that?

[limpid reef]

It's all shadow sania

[upbeat breach]

I think that will depend on the gear of the rest of the team, it is easier to just try it

[rigid drift]

alright thank you!

[warped kestrel]

There are people who have been running the hardest stages in 30s-1 min timers with a combination of 2 very specific 5star*, trash gear LD SSR units.
Which one of this game's competitors allows such a disgusting thing to go on with the most basic content that you need to tackle in order to start playing the game - the generic equipment dungeons that are meant to be autoed?

[mental mural]

Will the dev send out a message before the end of week? Will the players get what they deserve and rejoice? Or will the nightmare continue?
Find out on the next episode of EtheLily Reroll

[mental mural]

You should be over 200

[mental mural]

If you dont spend gems in this game you can be up to 40 days behind

[royal tulip]

Agree on the gems you mentioned. But I still think the inferno should not be able to do auto until 1 month passed. If normal players can do inferno auto, pvp is not gonna be leaning to p2w players anymore

[true trench]

every time you mention the need of a lily you summon a lily player coming in with the comment "you just need more time mate." its like a rule of nature

[mental mural]

Is there a difference in drop rate from GP outpost hell 3 and 1?

[warped kestrel]

P2W players still have max dupe characters, fuller character rosters, and many other advantages. PvP games shouldn't have their PvP be insanely P2W, otherwise absolutely no one who is not a whale will even participate in it, or even play the game.

There is a balance to be struck here in terms of giving whales an advantage - and gatekeeping the average player out of the most basic content, the equipment dungeons, is just not the way to do it.

[random falcon]

when is inferno getting nerfed

[finite palm]

Is it even about p2w or not when the a f2p/low-spender with Lily SSania is doing better than a whale without?

[finite palm]

When the game EOS

[random falcon]

so around 30 days

[warped kestrel]

It's not even about P2W, I'm just entertaining that person's logic because I think it's deeply flawed. You can of course get the combination of the 2 game-breaking LD SSR units and win the game within your first 10 pulls, or you can spend $1000 and not get both of them, there are no guarantees that you'll be able to even do the equipment dungeons no matter how much you pay.

[random falcon]

i wonder what gear/shell investement would be needed to not brute force infernoi

[finite palm]

Yeah I really regret spending money and not just rerolling, had no clue how bad it would get

[rigid drift]

same.. too deep in to restart but i wish i could

[frozen stone]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-great-wall-og-china-land-mark-keep-out-walk-gif-5702060

No one shall farm inferno

[feral comet]

I dont get the inferno difficulty spike in comparison to the reward, you still get pieces with 2 sets in threshold and you still get epic shells in inferno grim pursuit. All it gives is a very small chance to get 3 3 3 shells, for a very big difficulty spike. Not to mention even if you can clear one of the threshold or one of the grim pursuit, you need the shells and the piece from threshhold, basically meaning even if you can clear one of them you dont really get a power increase until you beat the other content.

[stable dagger]

question is, will it gonna be nerfed?

[random falcon]

they will announce double LD banner with ssania and lily to solve the problem

[stable dagger]

atp DoT users are already far ahead

[random falcon]

[stable dagger]

we're stuck using swords while they're already using guns

[feral comet]

Yeah it sucks being able to clear doki doki but cant really use the 6 inferno piece without the shells

[stable dagger]

Vice solve the problem

atleast at Nico idk about other stages

[feral comet]

Yeah im farming nico now with that, but all im getting are epic shells

[stable dagger]

those gold drops are really a pain

[bleak citrus]

pretty sure others have gotten to you but i do think 200 is the target. mine is 185 rn and still not quite reliable. S2 has the effect acc passives, S3 just has the activation rate bump

[west latch]

anyone can help me finding most stable niconana inferno team with my units? got lilly, but no s-sania

[feral comet]

Lily obol cachi the guard and lingluo

Stable but not fast

[west latch]

tym dewaa.. u got any info regarding skillups, shell and star level for me?

[feral comet]

All should be above 200 speed, while lily being your fastest, cachi and obol at leadt 200 eff accuracy

Skill upd are, lily s1 max, cachi s3 max, obol s1 max( or 2 lattice first) and s3 2 lattice

About 90% wr for me simce im lacking eff accuracy pn obol

[lavish needle]

What’s a good 4th unit to pair with xiada lingluo and lily for niconana inferno? Is holden or viper a good stripper?

[west latch]

ah ty so much!! and i guess u attack order boss first right? ... then ill also upgrade cachi and obol now

[west latch]

i saw xiada, ling and lily paired with viper in a yt video

[lavish needle]

Do u know where I can find the video for the build

[feral comet]

Yep

[feral comet]

I wouldnot use xiada unless you can go fast enough

Like rosa is good enough

But if you want a 4th you need a speed debuffer

[rigid drift]

alright thank you very much. i managed to pump it to 191 now However i am not sure if i want to invest into the s2 of Mio.
My Problem is: i only crit with a 77% chance on Wave 1 with Rilmocha... if i crit I win. if i miss.. i usually lose right now

[west latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjdARBkJ22o&t=472s

[carmine palm]

Tsukiyo Mi acquired, only missing one unit now...

[patent raven]

That luck though

Devs aren’t responding, inferno is trash at the moment, rates suck, people the true answer is stop spending don’t spend a single dollar til they fix this game. If player rates drop and money stops coming in then they have to engage and try to figure out what’s going or do something to bring people back. Beta was really good what they are doing now is just greedy and senseless. You had something good why screw it up?

[carmine palm]

Dunno, they COULD do that if numbers drop. Or they could go the other route and try to squeeze the remaining whales harder. I've seen devs go both ways.

[patent raven]

They could but whales won’t whale if there isn’t plankton to feed on

[upbeat breach]

At this point they either nerf inferno or game will EOS, everyone is complaining, including the whales

Just the fact that they didnt say anything this whole weekend is already bad enough

[bleak citrus]

tbh idk why the thread is still open, doesn't really matter if you think it should be nerfed or not, it will be nerfed in some capacity. nothing really to discuss until an official statement

[tall saddle]

how are you so sure it will be nerfed

[upbeat breach]

You do know that people used the thread to get teams that work in this bullshit thing right?

[carmine palm]

If they close it, people will just complain somewhere else. It's a containment zone

[boreal sentinel]

They could at least give us a heads up announcement that they are looking into a fix. It's as if they dont grasp how much of a dumpster fire launch has been - every single cc, even sponsored ones, are flaming the game

[bleak citrus]

is that still happening? other than the 1 genuine question i answered slightly higher, whenever i open the thread there's a new doomer comment

[upbeat breach]

It is a mix of everything

[bleak citrus]

fair enough then

[patent raven]

By most accounts I would be a whale or dolphin like to say the least and I can clear inferno and 90% of the top content but the rng of inferno just makes it frustrating due to the difficulty even with pretty solid mythic shells. I am not spending another dollar til this dumpster fire starts getting better

[bleak citrus]

because i feel, the level of investment to clear from the highest spenders is indicative that the difficulty is too high. i don't think it's an issue solved with time, and i don't see a change to resources to allow people to build more things quicker happening. the only thing left is some nerf to difficulty to allow for more flexibility for the things people have invested in already

[scarlet quartz]

real and true

It's inferno nerf soon or deadge game this x2 event is mental torture

they are mindbreaking their community for fun

[tall saddle]

You're right but I wish I shared your optimism. There's very likely scenario devs just wanted to make it much more harder to artifically make the process to get to endgame longer.

[scarlet quartz]

this thread used to he heated conversations

now everyone is just defeated

[tall saddle]

i honestly can't find any other reasonable explanation given that it was perfectly fine in betas

[upbeat breach]

you have lily right?

[tall saddle]

and now they just tuned it like this

[patent raven]

But they claimed this was a PVP game though the challenge should be building unique comps to battle other players not struggling to build a team for each pve content where even if you build the meta rng kills it half the time

[upbeat breach]

I am playing without lily and the game is pure cancer without lily

[patent raven]

I have everything most fully duped except some lds

[scarlet quartz]

this is where i post the beta terror teams for additional mental -

[bleak citrus]

respectfully, as much of a mixed bag XD titles can be, i just don't think any business works this way.

idk if beta difficulty honestly was too far the other way, but i do think the sweetspot for what it 'should' be is somewhere between beta and what we have now

[upbeat breach]

Yes, in the middle not a do you have lily+sania to progress?

[patent raven]

I liked beta difficulty it allowed unique teams to be used vs now it’s like do you have meta teams? If not your out of luck for the most part unless you have god tier modules and shells

[upbeat breach]

Do i want to farm rengo? yes, do I have lily to touch it? no

[scarlet quartz]

Yeah you could slot it any unit that did the same job while still having to respect mechanics

[upbeat breach]

Do I want to farm inferno terror/doki/aurora? yes, do I have lily for decent win rate? no

[bleak citrus]

SSania i don't have, and i do have lily, but i didn't use her for progression and only recently 6* her for aurora. i didn't even use her in ember trek until 42

[upbeat breach]

game is that bad at moment

[patent raven]

Exactly

[bleak citrus]

i did the lily progression in beta

[scarlet quartz]

Now out of 4 units of the same type only the apex works and its still inconsistent

[upbeat breach]

That is a big mistake, there is not a single team that she is not BIS

[patent raven]

I’ve been apart of two level 20 unions and the players are dropping which does happen to every game but a lot of people without Lily and SSania are just bricked

[upbeat breach]

Well, maybe rilmocha in doki, but that is it

[scarlet quartz]

Yeah we have 3 unions and player mood is not good

like at all

[upbeat breach]

Problem is that people need to spend 10 times more resources to fill the gap of those two

[bleak citrus]

why? i was no slower through difficulties of anything until hitting inferno which i hit on the first day it was available here

[clever tapir]

What happen to c

[scarlet quartz]

c left us

we are forsaken

[upbeat breach]

because she is broken, she will make you runs 10 times faster and safer

[bleak citrus]

i didn't struggle to the same degree people are describing either, my teams were thought out and planned

[clever tapir]

Anyone know how many days since c sent the report

[patent raven]

I don’t see C in the @‘s did he leave?

[upbeat breach]

In thoery he send at the start of the week...

[clever tapir]

Nah he just turned off @ constant harrasment

[scarlet quartz]

I stopped counting after day 200, food is running low and i think XD is poisoning our waters

[clever tapir]

Damn

[upbeat breach]

That is his job lol

[clever tapir]

I dont blame him, mental health first

[tall saddle]

he doesn't have to work 24/7 lol

[upbeat breach]

Doesnt need to keep discord open 24/7 either

[patent raven]

Really though but if he isn’t getting support from the dev team there really isn’t anything he can do he has tried but I think he is getting radio silence too

[scarlet quartz]

I respect it tho

[upbeat breach]

They most likely were told to not give any answers until they decide on it.

[scarlet quartz]

as if there is much deciding to do

[clever tapir]

Prob using 2x as a testing for data collection

[upbeat breach]

How much they are nerfing inferno

[rigid drift]

When is it worth to go for inferno dokidoki? It doesnt feel too good right now with a success rate of 50%

[upbeat breach]

I think so too. So after they fucked the entire player base they will change it

[patent raven]

All I’m saying is yesterday when the unions were crashing the dev team reacted within an hour and patched the issue so they can obviously hear us. With that being said we are blatantly being ignored

[scarlet quartz]

press ctrl+z until we hit beta levels

make the intern do it

done

[bleak citrus]

tbh until you've got a shell dungeon to go with it, the extra module will just dilute the pool

[upbeat breach]

Problem is that people spent 10k energy during this 2x, so it is impossible to fix the gear gap

[upbeat breach]

At this point yes

[clever tapir]

With these shitty rates? Possible lol

[bleak citrus]

i would say try again when you can make use of the set bounus to try and make it more reliable

[patent raven]

This is true this 2x event has allowed me to progress massively

[clever tapir]

Crit dmg % doko

[clever tapir]

Yea xp wise for me

[uncut blade]

Terramaton be doing too much. They should nerf the bozo

[quick sapphire]

Everyone complaining here are will just complain about there being nothing to do and the game being boring once they nerf Inferno.

I agree the devs not communicating is a bad look but why does everyone want to be done with the game already? Once they nerf Inferno everyone will realize that no matter how easily they can farm, they will never catch the whales.

They honestly shouldn't have release inferno at the start and let people farm H4 for a while.

[upbeat breach]

I havent gotten a single speed upgrade since the first week of the server. I most likely farmed over 5k energy in doki, it is bizarre

[rigid drift]

alright thanks! How to actually get the new sets onto the Shells?

[upbeat breach]

Because they fucked the game hard on release?

[wary totem]

At least if u wanna make it challenging just give “immune DOT” on all of the grim pursuit inferno

[bleak citrus]

inferno shell dungeons, and that's gonna be a pain point without SSania

thats where my focus is now

[uncut blade]

They will once enough CC cover it

[upbeat breach]

you can go rengo and sharon if you got no sania

[uncut blade]

Since they seem to always react fast when it's them

[patent raven]

I would agree but people in summoners war and epic 7 can clear end game content within a week. And to be fair they are this games competition. Even with people getting clears the vast majority still grind constantly to build new units to fight in guild wars, PvP, etc clearing endgame is not the end of the game it’s the start to playing the content we actually want to play!

[bleak citrus]

yeah rengo is what i'm starting with

[clever tapir]

Tbh tho, they always reacted fast when something in game was broken (union thing)

[upbeat breach]

It would be ok if we had to grind hell 4 to farm inferno, problem is that it is not how it works here

[pure junco]

And many people came from Epic Seven

[upbeat breach]

It is 100% based on the units that you pulled, otherwise the acc is bricked

They need to give like 2-3 selectors to keep this bullshit level of inferno

[pure junco]

Give us ten

[patent raven]

True I came from summoners war due to the fact of the greed I could spend a million dollars and not have every unit which is crazy this game you can have every unit fairly easy but you just can’t build them due to lack of resources 😂

[wary totem]

Just make s sania n lily free and everyone will be happy

[pure junco]

Until somehow they make a mode Where these two are useless

🤡 gotta make money

[torpid willow]

Just nerf fkng pve

[quick sapphire]

I never played those games. I think XD tried to do too much at the same time, like making the PVE hard and "engaging" and also putting the focus on PVP.

I feel they should've focused on one.

Maybe we are all expecting a bit much from this game this early.

My biggest issue is the fact they don't communicate, like the banners end in 4 days and we have no news on new characters.. And they seemingly went radio silent once the game launched after having such good communication pre release, that's the thing that feels really weird to me.

[pure junco]

Even Epic Seven was like this during launch

I remember that so well lol

[tall saddle]

did epic7 have multiple beta tests

like er or not

[patent raven]

That is true and it is concerning like I genuinely enjoyed beta and I thought the devs were going to be great now I’m wondering if I’m wasting my time 😂

[pure junco]

How many beta tests did XD hold?

[quick sapphire]

They really should have learned from those previous games though, I don't understand why gaming companies just repeat the same mistakes others have made

[patent raven]

Perfectly put

[quick sapphire]

Like allowing %HP dot damage, what a rookie mistake lol

[pure junco]

Too bad this is normal

[clever tapir]

Guys they busy with the tournament

[patent raven]

With all 6 units those guys were able to build

[pure junco]

Lol

[quick sapphire]

I guess we just see how the game moves forward, right now I am enjoying it but day by day it feels more like another quick cash grab

Where is that Jack guy everyone loved lol?

Wait is that him 💀

[arctic plover]

I think you missundestood what inferno is. It's a farming stage, not an endgame.

We will be doing ethernet rally, ember trek, anysinc, and -- most of all -- pvp.

[clever tapir]

Ohhh maybe their vpns stopped working

[pure junco]

Are you gonna enter

[quick sapphire]

Yeah I know that it's a farming stage, but I don't think the devs know that lol

[clever tapir]

Nah my gear luck is shit

[pure junco]

I felt that

[west latch]

btw dewa one last question, how whom is lilly triggering in ur squad with her s1 ?

[high minnow]

real time arena and fearless is just unfair lol lv 44 match lv 76???

[feral comet]

Obol

Your obol need to have higher atk than linglou and cachi

So lily twin trick him

[west latch]

yeah failed first run..then gave him more highest atk... 20 more than cachi now 😄

but nico almost oneshotting cachi or obol by time 😄

[feral comet]

Are you using 2 artisans?

[west latch]

yeah

artisan on lily and ling..gaga cachi and haloween on obol

but they are just lvl 12/45

cleared it now ty..was hoping that 3 line would be every shell lol

[feral comet]

Pog

Leveling up the unit makes it more consistent because they are more bulky

[west latch]

yeah

[west latch]

do u also use them for any other boss? cachi and/or obol?

[feral comet]

Cachi for sharon also

I havent tried hoyan or rengokutsu

And you can also use cachi for inferno terromaton on some weird tank strat with chiaki and dorothy, but its pretty hard

[tardy ocean]

I don't think anyone in the entire community is denying how powerful Lily is. Hell she just enables things.

[upbeat breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J7V3Q9SQ5M&ab_channel=LeviatraCaelum

How strong Massiah has to be to hit like this?

[outer falcon]

People drafting Lily in tournaments and having her be their only >+100 unit only to get her banned and then get stuffed is like crack to me, I hope they never change this

[mental mural]

Strongest in the game

[outer falcon]

You can just ask @fervent fox for an SS of his Mass probably

[upbeat breach]

I think he is off now

Posted here just in case someone was running a similar team

[outer falcon]

He'll reply eventually I'm sure

[bleak citrus]

it'll have terror inferno gear on it though

pretty sure levi had first clear

[mental mural]

Wtf did they just buff hell 4?
I just lost 5 times in a row after winning 8 times in a row

[upbeat breach]

That part I can do too, just unsure about the set combination on it

Well, I would need to somehow kill rengo inferno too..

[mental mural]

6 times now

[clever tapir]

rng

[clever tapir]

or u moved a module on accident

[mental mural]

Manualled it and got 4 resist in a row

My runs depend on fungus landing 5/7 of his dots

Another L

[clever tapir]

Welp time for more eff acc

[outer falcon]

Resist RNG goes insane sometimes

[mental mural]

The only way for that is to grind doki doki and hope I get swiftrush effect accuracy

[scarlet quartz]

LMAO

55 guys

i hope everyone is on track

[tall flame]

mmm hmm

literally proof that inferno is overtuned

[brave heath]

no its not you could do inferno at level like 35 or 40

given you have ssania comp anyways!

[clever tapir]

its lvl gated to 50

[scarlet quartz]

my bad actually make it harder

[brave heath]

its also a joke about how easy it is for ssania users, not literal

[scarlet quartz]

/woosh

[brave heath]

^

[clever tapir]

no clue what /woosh means

[brave heath]

ye we can tell

[clever tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-gif-20709878

[brave heath]

https://tenor.com/view/drool-patrick-star-drool-bubble-bubble-duhhh-gif-27447904

more like

[scarlet quartz]

WHAT

bro new spongebob episodes

are cursed

[orchid needle]

😭

[brave heath]

man i cant wait until after 2x is over and there to be no changes and i would be forced to run white fang on my speed contesters

surely wont quit..

[scarlet quartz]

If there is no notice early next week

its gonna be uhhh

yeah...

We should copy the chinese and send a truck

or a blimp

[boreal sentinel]

Lmao, good old e7 cn community

[clever tapir]

isnt e7 korean?

[scarlet quartz]

yeah pretty sure truck meta is chinese tho

[clever tapir]

i se

[brave heath]

truck meta is 100% chinese

just pay for some random truck you can put like a sign on and plant it outside their building

[scarlet quartz]

very based

[glacial magnet]

Nah truck meta is Korean

more prevalent there considering the kpop culture and esports teams

[glacial magnet]

this blimp is literally in Korean lol

[warped kestrel]

Start saying "Lily is overpowered and needs to be nerfed asap" and see how at least half of the community starts rabidly arguing with you.

Everyone knows she is overpowered, but not everyone is ready to lose her, and honestly, with the awful state of PvE, they really aren't ready to lose her.

People aren't ready to lose Lily in the same way that to a lesser degree they aren't ready to lose Diting, those are characters that have allowed people to get through terribly cancerous, overtuned PvE content that is meant to be 10x auto farmed.

[edgy wind]

man after they fix the inferno, the next big thread will be about how shit inferno drops are, cant wait for it

[random falcon]

valid or not

[tardy ocean]

Just because a unit is strong doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed because she enables you to progress faster.

It's the same story with how everyone went rabid because S. Sania couldn't be use in Aorura and demanded a free reconfigure....and oh wait.. people are still using the one they built.

Just like how people complained about Xiada after the fix to doki and people wanted a free reconfig because they felt they wasted investment in her.....and yet.....people are still using her.

It makes zero sense to nerf her. By your logic nerf anything that shows a hint of power.

[clever tapir]

What really needs a nerf is ethernet rally

the bosses are kinda brokenly op?

[warped kestrel]

Of course it means that. This is the logic of every game that has competition in it - strong things need to be made weaker and weaker things need to be made stronger so they can compete, because when thing A is perpetually superior to thing B, there is zero reason to ever use thing B, therefore making the existence of thing B pointless and making thing A a necessity.
I don't know what's hard to understand about this, this is not some Hoyo game where we're all playing completely single player and it doesn't matter that some characters are 10 times better than others, as people can't compete in those games in any way at all.

[tardy ocean]

Yes, this isn't a hoyo verse game... but sitting here and complaining that an LD Animus, who in any gacha game known to players, have always been stronger then RGB units...is like pointing out the obvious. Light and Dark units have ALWAYS been stronger... i don't understand what is so hard to comprehend about that.

It's like litterally the difference between going to mc donalds and getting a burger there and then complaining that it isn't a A5 wagyu steak... like what?

[mental mural]

Look at these guys

[devout geyser]

The issue isn't Lily or any unit for that matter, it's the difficulty of inferno. Lily is unchanged from beta and she was not needed in any capacity in beta (was she amazing? Yeah, obviously. But tons of comps cleared without her). Calling for more nerfs to characters and not the content that's making so many characters unplayable is a single digit IQ take.

[warped kestrel]

You're fighting a strawman in there. Lily is not only stronger than all RGB characters, she is also stronger than all LD SSRs, she is the most versatile and game-breaking character, and unless she gets powercrept in the future, she will most likely suffer a nerf eventually exactly for that reason.

On top of this, LDs are usually very powerful characters, yes, but they're usually PvP-centered characters in these types of games, because PvE farming is meant to be easy and achievable by easily obtainable characters, so, these companies create LD characters that are tailor-made for PvP(Summoners War and E7 are both examples of this, where some of their LD/ML5 are excellent at PvE, but they're mostly PvP characters, and none of them is an absolute must-have for PvE)

[tardy ocean]

The first time I agree with Sivren... which is a shocker.

[pearl knot]

she needs nerfs for pvp but thats a different discussion. Inferno 100% needs a nerf and a pretty big one

[tardy ocean]

Single question to ask. Do you have a lily?

[warped kestrel]

The biggest issue this game has is Inferno, I've never denied this. Everyone arguing with me is being extremely defensive about their Lily.

That said, Lily is also overpowered and that is also a problem, but a problem that is 1/100th of the problem that PvE difficulty is. And it's a problem that will be addressed eventually.

[outer falcon]

It's fine, there's nothing overtuned about having 66% team speed buff uptime, perm team crit DMG buff uptime, and giving your DPS 3x the turns and also like 3x the ult nukes between cooldown reduction and turn boosting combined (conservatively)

[warped kestrel]

Single question to ask. Do you have a lily?

[devout geyser]

Not being defensive about my Lily, just aware enough to know that if they were to nerf Lily before addressing the biggest issues. It would probably be the final nail in the coffin for the game.

[outer falcon]

This is very true, yeah

[warped kestrel]

These people are being extremely intellectually dishonest for no reason at all. When no one is even asking for a Lily nerf at the moment.

[clever tapir]

Where is the lvl 55, lvl 60, lvl 65, lvl 70 packs?

[tardy ocean]

Do us a favor, and I genuinely ask this. Instead of just sitting here and being a bit disingenuous with the responses. Try actually listing what makes Lily so "overpowered" in your mind. Instead of just screaming to the heavens that a unit needs a nerf.

[outer falcon]

The problem is that qualitatively, Lily can transform your account from one that can't do X into one that can, where X is basically anything difficult. If she wasn't that anymore (because external factors made it easier for other comps to compete) then she wouldn't need a touch, and that should be the first solution since it's most sustainable

[outer falcon]

@tardy ocean

[warped kestrel]

Yes, I agree, the solution to Inferno is not to nerf Lily, if anything, Lily is the main thing allowing people to play this game humanely. PvE difficulty should be fixed, and then, after a few months of PvP, we will see if Lily is enough of a problem that she needs a nerf or not. That's how any sensible company would deal with these issues.

[warped kestrel]

Lily has the most overloaded kit in the entire game, and it's not even close. Anyone arguing that Lily is not an overpowered character is tremendously intellectually dishonest.

[tardy ocean]

Speed buff and Crit Damage buff is not universal only on lily so you can take those two out.

[outer falcon]

Speed is not isolated to her and the cdmg buff goes on her twin trick target

(ideally)

[tardy ocean]

Now hold on, you are back pedeling a bit here. First you are saying Lily is so overly tuned and needs a nerf... yet now you are saying she is needed to complete inferno... so if the latter is the case why would you want the unit to be nerfed to begin with if she is arguably the gateway key to inferno? That makes zero sense.

[scarlet quartz]

she is overloaded and very strong but I do not agree that she should get nerfed, introduce a counter or a more similar support but i wouldnt touch her

[scarlet quartz]

Cause pve is also wrong at its core

u can argue both issues seperately

[outer falcon]

Before you continue arguing you should be sure you know what Lily actually does though

[tardy ridge]

🍿

love this placve

[scarlet quartz]

on god

distraction from getting dickked down by terror

[tardy ocean]

Before you continue to make assumtions you should know I own 5/6 of the LDs.

[outer falcon]

do you own hooked on phonics?

It helps you read kits

[tardy ridge]

owning a unit doesnt mean people know what they do

[drowsy gust]

Yeah I never got the impression that Flamel was arguing to nerf Lily to solve inferno

[tardy ridge]

ik its a crazy concept

[scarlet quartz]

Flamel is arguing to both nerf inferno and lily

which is a fine stance to have

[tardy ocean]

And they say i need hooked on phonics

[scarlet quartz]

some people, me included, just disagree on the nerf lily part

[drowsy gust]

My impression was that Lily is a problem of her own but he wasn't arguing that nerfing Lily is what needs to be done for inferno's overtunedness

[tardy ridge]

flamel did not say that

[devout geyser]

Yeah I think if any more meta characters get nerfed any time soon we'll see this game start actually dying. They've been a little too quick on the nerfs / indirect nerfs to be suggesting any more for right now imo.

[outer falcon]

Flamel was saying Lily making teams the equivalent of 7 units instead of 5 isn't relevant to the overall priority issue of PvE being broken

[scarlet quartz]

Lily will be fine as she is especially once more characters get released

the issue will solve it self over time

well, "issue"

[outer falcon]

The amount of creep it would add to have more units on her level atm would be kinda crazy this early

[scarlet quartz]

In a pve balanced state lily being that strong in pve is a non issue

[tardy ocean]

It's just another instance of a limited pool of units with no real creativity in team comps. People will settle down once more units enter the game. Case and point, everyone saying you needed to have Heinric, now there is a choice of him and holden.

[scarlet quartz]

Hein kinda horsecock now am i lying chat

[warped kestrel]

What? You are the one not making sense here.

Inferno should be something everyone can do with relative ease, not only Lily havers. Thus, Inferno difficulty needs to be drastically lowered to achieve that goal.
The issue of Lily being overpowered is a separate one that is only tangentially related to Inferno being overtuned, and it's related in the aspect that Lily is so disgustingly overtuned that she can actually compete with the off-the-charts overtuning of Inferno.

Nerfing Inferno is priority. After that, it won't matter whether Lily is overpowered or not in PvE. Then we can let PvP(the actual focus of the game btw) decide whether Lily deserves to stay the way she is or not.

[devout geyser]

This too, I mean look at any gacha's launch units compared to what ends up being released down the road. Counters get released, then counters to that counter. etc. We just have a limited pool rn so Lily shines a lot more than she will over time.

[outer falcon]

Hein is now severely underrated which I'm fine with because nobody bans him in RTA anymore

[pearl knot]

in pve? yeah

[tardy ocean]

Just like so many people don't ban valarian till its too late lol

[scarlet quartz]

As a rilmocha enjoyer

fuck valerian

[outer falcon]

The issue is that when superpowered counters get released they also tend to devalue every other unit in the game. A reduction in Lily's dominance via a counter would be a net negative for the game state as a whole for quite a while yet

[tardy ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-at-you-gif-15677477317679001616

[devout geyser]

that's just the nature of gachas though. I don't like it either, but that's definitely what we should probably expect.

[true trench]

oh my god i went 10-0 in inferno doki auto with my no lily massiah

i have beaten the game

[outer falcon]

Right, but the rate of that happening can be managed differently

[true trench]

now give me that broken character so i can halve my clear time

[scarlet quartz]

Right off the bat punishing follow up attack would tone lily down a ton

we just shed a tear for rosa players

and move on

[devout geyser]

agreed, but we can't even get a response from the devs rn so I'm just trying to have realistic expectations

[tardy ocean]

You mean the thing Hoyan would have done had her kit not been changed....

[outer falcon]

Very fair

[scarlet quartz]

I dont even know what she does now b*tch is useless

[tardy ocean]

My poor hoyan...

Didn't even get to fly

Smh

[scarlet quartz]

I got her on permanent banner a waste of a pity

[outer falcon]

Look in 8 months when I max invest my perm banner pull Hoyan and she has no place because she's been crept to oblivion... You'll all still be the ones laughing

[scarlet quartz]

yeah....

[tardy ocean]

She looked like such a dope unit and I was so hyped for her...

[devout geyser]

I just hope servers will still be online in 8 months

[tardy ocean]

Of course they will. We will be on Global Server 22

[outer falcon]

I'm rank 8k in pvp despite only being low Master I feel like that's a sign that there's a good core formed already as long as they can fix PvE

[tardy ocean]

Wait... eww me and Sivren are getting along...

This is disgusting

[drowsy gust]

They already have the discord server pings written for the next 50 servers

[devout geyser]

I know, what happened? Have things gotten so bad that everyone can agree on things?

[outer falcon]

Hoyan United Us

[drowsy gust]

I forgot who said it but the devs inaction has NTR mindbroken us

Make all the world leaders play Etheria Restart for 3 weeks and we will have flying cars, utopia, and world peace

[tardy ocean]

What happened was I used all my energy this weekend and didn't feel at all fulfilled with the game and I think the cracks started to form.

[warped kestrel]

That, or they'll declare a joint war on China or wherever this game is from.

[devout geyser]

Everyone called me a doom poster but I've been trying to warn people for weeks lmaoooo now we all have a common enemy: inferno

[drowsy gust]

Yup I saw this coming from a mile away

Like only the whitiest of white knights are still going

[outer falcon]

ngl double skillups and double shell currency gain feels p good

[tardy ocean]

Also the realization when I read a comment that Etheria Restart is basically the anime version of Raid Shadow Legends. Right down to the Time Gated Resources.

[outer falcon]

Err module not shell

[scarlet quartz]

it was I

[devout geyser]

Oh ew I could have died not ever having that realization, why would you put that on me

[tardy ocean]

Trust me, when I read it... i screamed in a pillow

[drowsy gust]

Unfortunately the devs are gonna see their defenders dropping like flies and instead of thinking they're going in the wrong direction they're gonna see that giving us 2x was a mistake

[scarlet quartz]

It kinda was

but kinda wasnt

they just keep creating more issues instead of fixing the core

People werent vocal enough on day 2 of this thread

i saw so many people defending inferno

[drowsy gust]

Yup now all those "you just don't have 6 stars and +15 modules yet" are kinda quiet

[scarlet quartz]

clearly havent tried it yet

[devout geyser]

I think the x2 is what finally got people pushing inferno difficulty and seeing how bad it is firsthand. I think a lot of the defenders weren't even there yet lol.

[scarlet quartz]

Not enough noise from day 1

[tardy ocean]

Brother, am I the only one who sat here today thinking..

"Man... was giving 2x this soon a mistake?"

[scarlet quartz]

I hit 50 tried niconana and KNEW modules and levels are not fixing this

[old zephyr]

M sorry I should be able to clear inferno with hell IV gear and I shouldn't have to build an entire new roster just to clear it

[scarlet quartz]

and all other stages were just worse

i entered hoyan and thought my b*tches were ungeared

[drowsy gust]

It was only a mistake because it made people who didn't realize it yet that inferno is a problem

[scarlet quartz]

Its legit mindbreaking me that they could've just left the game at the beta state

and this would've been a good timeline

but apparently one of the devs gets a boner hearing "hard pve"

this shit can NOT have been tested internally

[drowsy gust]

We could be talking strats for Ember Trek, Ethernet Rally, etc or getting hyped for the upcoming esports

But nope we're all dying against the inferno wall

[scarlet quartz]

Imagine being able to spend lattices on PvP units

and not having to build cachi the cumguzzler and his gang

[outer falcon]

Very important point. I still really want to see how they test. There's no way they all have better gaming chairs than all of us

[tall saddle]

they just picked some random number (or asked AI lmao) and multiplied all stats by that

[devout geyser]

After beta I was so excited trying to think up Tiamat meta counterpicks and was wanting to build up a borgne / viper team. My boy borgne has not received a single level since launch just perma investing in niche pve units LOL

[tall saddle]

"good enough, ship it"

and here we are

[drowsy gust]

Question. Would having to buy a better gaming chair still make you f2p in etheria?

[tardy ocean]

Hollon now... put some respect on Chachi The Guards name

[scarlet quartz]

my bad

[old zephyr]

Lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣

So true

It's insane

[outer falcon]

Does having a phone or PC that can run etheria make you not f2p? That's a key ontological question actually

[drowsy gust]

Devs got us having a symposium now

[scarlet quartz]

"ontological"

sorry boss

use small word

[mental mural]

When I was a child I was advised by my grandfather to not look at people with hatred in my eyes

[tardy ocean]

You made my two braincells hurt reading this.

[scarlet quartz]

"Ontology is the philosophical study of being. It is traditionally understood as the subdiscipline of metaphysics focused on the most general features of reality. As one of the most fundamental concepts, being encompasses all of reality and every entity within it."

Didnt know i was talking to aristotle

[drowsy gust]

"I think therefore I am f2p" - René Descartes

[scarlet quartz]

LMFAO

[drowsy gust]

God now I want to spend the rest of 2x today bastardizing philosophy quotes into gacha brainrot

[scarlet quartz]

best thing that happened this weekend in etheria is my guild shop randomly refreshing pre reset

[outer falcon]

I keep getting based CD CR SPD stat lines on 3 pip Swiftrush save that for when I go back to terror please

[scarlet quartz]

terror

aurora dps set or nothing

[arctic plover]

To talk about Etheria is therefore to betray it. If the betrayal can be defended, it will be for the edification it provides, or the dignity of the conflict it resolves. For myself, I plead the goal of self-edification, and the goad of a sharp conflict in my own sensibility. I am strongly drawn to the Etheria, and almost as strongly offended by it. That is why I want to talk about it, and why I can.

[scarlet quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-forger-worried-looking-from-side-to-side-spy-x-family-anime-gif-2957421152186354845

[drowsy gust]

• Susan Sontag

[scarlet quartz]

"I am strongly drawn to the Etheria, and almost as strongly offended by it."

This line goes hard

[drowsy gust]

"Etheria will ever do the same, even though thou shouldst burst."
-Marcus Aurelius

[arctic plover]

Those who are not shocked when they first come across Inferno cannot possibly have cleared it.
-Niels Bohr

[clever tapir]

Ooo drama

[tardy ocean]

So who here saw the Brax video?

[drowsy gust]

"Etheria is a comedy to those who own Shadow Sania and Lily, and a tragedy to those who didn't reroll"

• Horace Walpole

[tiny sage]

[tiny sage]

its still ass with SSania and Lily

[tardy ocean]

I know you did Serra!! Lol

[tiny sage]

its just less ass

[tardy ocean]

True words, unfortunately

[clever tapir]

its eh, some good points but covered by alot of bad takes

[arctic plover]

"Whoever fights with Sania should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an inferno, the inferno will gaze back into you."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

[tiny sage]

Never forget what they took from us

[tardy ocean]

Cue the wolverine meme

[drowsy gust]

"If you wish to make a build from scratch, you must first create an inferno clear."

• Carl Sagan

[undone vortex]

😭

[clever tapir]

how did ur 2x go

[old zephyr]

This was inferno?

[tiny sage]

[arctic plover]

"Two things fill the mind with ever-increasing wonder and awe, the more often and the more intensely the mind of thought is drawn to them: the Shadow Sania dotting the boss and the Lily supporting her. I do not seek or conjecture either of them as if they were veiled obscurities or extravagances beyond the horizon of my vision; I see them before me and connect them immediately with the consciousness of my existence"
-- Immanuel Kant, Critique of Practical Reason

[undone vortex]

I like how the devs keep saying we gonna communicate and they didn't do none of that

[tiny sage]

yeah

[frozen stone]

The thing is farming gears is the start of pve not the endgame

[undone vortex]

only ok

also I accidentally used all my stamina pots at once

[tardy ocean]

I think I may just adopt the Barcode mentality till things get better

[undone vortex]

🤪 🤪 🤪

I have 1.8k left to burn because I'm a moron

[tiny sage]

Good thing consumers have 120 days of protections

[clever tapir]

i finally finished mine

[undone vortex]

cuz yer old

[drowsy gust]

"Our new game is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except lack of dev communication and inferno being bs."
-Benjamin Franklin

[tiny sage]

They have til the middle of august to get their shit togeter

[undone vortex]

not having shells be part of 2x smh

[tardy ocean]

Nothing will compare to miss diamond hands over here... @tiny sage

[undone vortex]

they knew

[clever tapir]

they busy with the tournament kek

[drowsy gust]

Can't even tell us that like at least make excuses damn this radio silence is maddening

[undone vortex]

the reacts on the tournament post

💀

[outer falcon]

A lot of the Brax video was him not understanding the game structure ("wasting" gems on refreshes -- the horror) but he also had points

[tardy ocean]

Girl....

[old zephyr]

Now inferno clear is just frustrating cause u have to build 300 new units just to clear

[undone vortex]

brax gives me hives

[clever tapir]

yea the radio silence is crazy

[arctic plover]

let me guess -- this is AFTER you've farmed the entire day, correct?

[outer falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

[tiny sage]

33 hours

[undone vortex]

they deleted my post awhile ago asking for more communications in ask staff

[tiny sage]

...

[undone vortex]

before the reset event

[tardy ocean]

Would you believe me if I told you that was at 100+ before the start of reset yesterday

[tiny sage]

I started farming the GP outposts for the achievements.

[clever tapir]

O.o they deleted it?

[outer falcon]

Oh it's that Serra. Ok

[tiny sage]

[undone vortex]

yea I posted like

so when does this start

and I can't find it anymore

[outer falcon]

Yes now that I recognize the avatar lmao

[tiny sage]

WAIT THEY DELETED IT????

[tardy ocean]

So, idk why... but when I heard brax's voice is sounds identical to Stix.

[idle zodiac]

Can someone summarize? 👀😂

[undone vortex]

not the reddit post just my shady ass post in ask staff lel

[clever tapir]

well they were timely when union broke. And they dont have anything yet to announce so... they havnt broke thier word yet

[outer falcon]

Idk enough YouTubers cause I mostly just watch specific people for specific videos, who's he

[undone vortex]

we should have a betting ring on what gets shadow nerfed and/or buffed bext

[tardy ocean]

Listen to a stix video and tell me that doesn't sound like Brax

[clever tapir]

maybe the radio silence is them being cauttious and deliberate with all future adjustments

[tiny sage]

they really shouldn't

They haven't made a single good decision when they have had time to think

[scarlet quartz]

there are issues where u need to act fast

[undone vortex]

he's gooning

[tiny sage]

The only good decisions were when they had to kneejerk react to the community

[tardy ocean]

So unapologetically true.

[arctic plover]

imagine if they were half as cautious when implementing the difficulty spike without having anyone test it.

[outer falcon]

You're right

[tiny sage]

[clever tapir]

but its usual beta is easier than launch for any game tho. just that they made it tooooooo difficult

[tiny sage]

even their test client didn't have the spike in it 2 days before release

[undone vortex]

their only good decision is making Holden's waist snatched

and that's only 1

[clever tapir]

are the test servers still there?

[tiny sage]

not sure.

[drowsy gust]

Guys don't worry this is all preperation for April 2026 where they announce the Etheria launch and the time until April 2026 was all one big April Fool's joke

[tardy ocean]

I forget who said it. I think it was @drowsy gust but the more the days pass the more this just feels like another live beta.

[drowsy gust]

They sure got us

[undone vortex]

taketsumi paid for Jack's Caribbean vacation with his whaling thats why he ain't here

[drowsy gust]

I don't remember saying this but I at least have pushed this sentiment a few times at the very least I don't think I pioneered it

[clever tapir]

cuz it is since cn, japan, korea region didnt come out yet

[tall saddle]

we are all betatesters for CN server

lets face it

[undone vortex]

global being beta test

as usual

the real beta test