inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[charred minnow]

lies

[surreal bobcat]

i have 3 non hollow units, 2 odd and 1 disorder

[charred minnow]

my Ril has been targeted while having 2x odd 1x light unit

[minor rover]

Nope, it’s true, u can check CC videos too

[charred minnow]

bro

I can see my own fights wdym

[minor rover]

It’s already statistically proven, my 2 non hollow units are the targetted ones

[minor rover]

So can I

[charred minnow]

so explain to me why my Ril gets targeted above my 3 non-hollow units??

[pure junco]

You honestly would be lucky if most of your farming runs yielded great modules you needed every time

Because you have to factor sub stat

[surreal bobcat]

i have 3 non hollow units, 2 odd and 1 disorder. So how is that caculated then?

[minor rover]

Because that’s how rng works? And survivorship bias, take a bigger amount of fights and then u can see

Law of large numbers

[neon hollow]

Im not talking most of my runs.. im talking literally none lol

[charred minnow]

so it does not priotises it

it's rng

it's either RNG or it uses Priorities

[minor rover]

I bring 3 hollow, 2 non hollow, my 2 non hollow gets targetted every time

[charred minnow]

it's not both lmfao

[minor rover]

That is why

Valerian is the best pick

Because she’s non hollow and she soaks up dmg

[neon hollow]

I can't even get to the substat part . right sides are just not usable so far for days now

[minor rover]

U know about odds?

[surreal bobcat]

i bring 2 hollow, 2 odd and 1 disorder. ONLY my xiada gets targeted when i lose

[minor rover]

70% 30% sort of thing?

[pure junco]

I feel you man

[charred minnow]

ok bro go keep moving the goalpoast lmfao

[minor rover]

But that’s survivorship bias, the runs where u lose is when the AI decide to randomly target ur xiada

[charred minnow]

can't decide if it's either Prio or Rng

if it's RNG it's 70/30 sure

[abstract pier]

I think reducing the boss speed in all inferno alone should solve the problem. we will get more turns to do damage and sustain the team before the boss ramps up and wipes everyone > lower gear requirements. It might also allow f2p dot teams(without ssania) to be viable since they will have more time to apply dots.

[charred minnow]

if it's prio that would mean it would always follow that prio

[minor rover]

I think u are moving ur own goal post and refusing to accept the truth

[charred minnow]

ok

[minor rover]

Go take another run over 20 fights and u can see it

[charred minnow]

go back to your cc fantasy land

[surreal bobcat]

when is it not bias and when is it fact? because it is fairly common and the success rates fluctuates based on that one sole determining factor

[pure junco]

That's a very fair assessment

[minor rover]

Wdym

It’s simply just odds

They have a higher chance of targeting ur non hollow units

And in the off chance they target ur hollow units

[charred minnow]

it's no use, his statistics are CC's that don't know crap about the game themselves

[minor rover]

That’s when u get ur losses

[minor rover]

Okay platinum rank!

[charred minnow]

who's platinum rank?

[pure junco]

Probability has a way to slap you in the face whenever farming comes your farm, especially in this game

[minor rover]

It’s just basic stats

[minor rover]

I’m on ur side btw, I hate that the AI does some crazy Shet sometimes but in doki that’s how it works

[pure junco]

Yep

[minor rover]

Anyways u have Xiada! U are already ahead of many ppl

[charred minnow]

the problem is the following:
You claim they work in priorities: Meaning they will focus the non-hollow units over hollow units -> this means it would always follow this rules as it is a PRIORITY

but then you say it's odds are 70/30 that it focusses a non-hollow unit over a hollow unit

so it's not priority, it's RNG

[minor rover]

Wot

By priorities I mean, they have a higher odd of targeting non hollow units, so my bad for the bad phrasing ig

[surreal bobcat]

ok 60% of my team is non hollow. Xiada has a 1/3 chance to be targeted which is my lose condition. 3/3, 4/8,5/3, 6/2, 2/6 were my last few results. 15/35 is my success rate, which is 42%, is this not more of a coinflip?

[pure junco]

I still wish there were ways to record and determine damage calculation more properly in this game. Like add a result report when you clear a stage

[minor rover]

Still within probability, play it out over 100 times and it evens out

[surreal bobcat]

right now im 2/0 and i have screenshots of AI literally not touching anyone else in back to back to back fights

[minor rover]

So did my hollow units

[warped kestrel]

There are other factors to target priority, it seems that they target: Lowest affinity disadvantage, DEF broken characters, low HP characters, *and then there's also RNG

[charred minnow]

so there's no priority

there can't be priority when there is RNG

because RNG would cancel out priorities

[warped kestrel]

But there's some semblance of... priority, just not so clear

Like

[charred minnow]

I get what you mean

[minor rover]

zolri, record ur team gg into doki and see how many times ur non hollow units get hit

[surreal bobcat]

ive tried to solve for def broken/low hp through immunity etc. Low hp well, everyone is 20khp and above, unless you mean lowest in team

[warped kestrel]

But yeah, there's randomness to it either way even if everything else is perfect, which is very weird design

[pure junco]

Doesn't the AI also frequently targets a unit with lower value? Haven't tested it out myself, but feels like they do.

[surreal bobcat]

also this is my run rn, coinflip gaming

[pure junco]

Oof

At least you got something

[minor rover]

It’s auto brother, having the luxury to auto doki is a great thing already

[warped kestrel]

I mean lowest current HP condition, so, if a character is half HP and everyone else is full HP, that character has an increased chance of being hit

[charred minnow]

"the luxury" bruh

[warped kestrel]

Or at least it feels that way

[pure junco]

Right

[surreal bobcat]

i can see that but if you start the fight as the auto target then its kinda bad

[pure junco]

I get better results doing this to Niconana

[minor rover]

My Nico targets my 1st and 3rd unit Lol

[pure junco]

Wow

[minor rover]

Not sure what the conditions are

[pure junco]

I'm not even surprised xD

[surreal bobcat]

its still random. Before this happened xiada was 77% HP

lingluo went from 80 to 15%, xiada was attacked then ling healed

[sly ravine]

Found a gamebreaking Rilmocha bug thanks to 2x, I have already opened a ticket. If you wonder why sometimes your runs fail, here might be one of the reasons
https://youtu.be/EAZQFcv9qa8

[charred minnow]

LOL what

0 splash dmg

[graceful juniper]

lol

[surreal bobcat]

you should get better inferno gear to help that

or try a different team comp

[charred minnow]

it's your own fault

[pure junco]

Perfectly normal gameplay

[surreal bobcat]

for clarity, i was being sarcacstic. That is some really bad coding

[sly ravine]

oh i know sarcasm when I see it, don't worry, and I thoroughly enjoy it xD

[pure junco]

😅 I've been saying this since day 1... Someone needs to clean their code lines

[charred minnow]

bruh they created most of their code with AI

[pure junco]

Must be the case

[sly ravine]

it doesn't happen all the time, but freauently enough, and should happen 0 times

[pure junco]

how you explain the ridiculously out of nowhere coding when characters use each other's ults?

[charred minnow]

they used deepseek, Chinese are not allowed to support American companies like Claude

[shadow sage]

If i want to work on my Inferno team, which units should i prioritize that could be used for several contents? I don't want to hyperinvest just for 1 specific content

[minor rover]

Lily messiah brings u almost everywhere

No Ssania feels bad tho

[minor rover]

And up ur Holden for terror inferno

[shadow sage]

yeah, no Kloss also, i really want her

[shadow sage]

what's the priority for skillup?

[mental mural]

On its second attack maybe

[minor rover]

Holden zero skill investment

[shadow sage]

damn, that's neat

ok then

any other versatile units that i should build?

i want to make sure i invest in the right units

[minor rover]

Most likely ling and freya, and invest in more sr units like valerian

[mental mural]

Way WAY too overturned

[minor rover]

Damn bro went way back to reply

[charred minnow]

+1

I have a fresh new tank of Copium to hear something after the weekend from the devs

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[pure junco]

Lily, Massiah, Tiamat, Holden, Rilmocha, Freya, Celince, Lingluo and maybe Rahu(even though you'll be investing in Celince)

[minor rover]

$500 in other gachas gets u a solid account, in etheria restart $500 with no lily gets u locked up in the chair farming manual Inferno runs for 10 hrs straight

[charred minnow]

true lmao

[tribal osprey]

To be fair, guys with Lily but no ssania aren’t even attempting this stage

[pure junco]

500$ in this just gets you a headstart

[mental mural]

Didn't need to i was just there

[pure junco]

Like a smallish big leap

[shadow sage]

that's me

[minor rover]

Exactly, the gatekeep is too huge

[charred minnow]

lilyless players rn now manualling Inferno

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-sweat-heat-hot-wipe-sweat-gif-17716050

[shadow sage]

i can do hell IV, and then suddenly i got mauled on Inferno

[pure junco]

XD this is so real haha

[charred minnow]

like the snack you are 😉

[minor rover]

Even lily alternative teams does not come anywhere close to the efficiency of a lily team

[charred minnow]

atleast we have eachother in this thread

[minor rover]

That’s literally what I imagine all lilyless players go through everyday

[shadow sage]

[tribal osprey]

Lily less and ssania less players joining forces

[pure junco]

You know what?

Just send Andrew

He's the only hope

[charred minnow]

countering Andrew with Andrew

[shadow sage]

worst thing is, i spent for rebate thinking nothing bad could happen

should've went F2P and reroll

[pure junco]

This just reminds me of the double charging incident

[charred minnow]

union member has 1k+ pulls and no diting still and no lily

[shadow sage]

ok no Diting is legit insane, i would understand if he crashed out really hard

[minor rover]

Bro they double charged my animus reconfigure so I had to pay 400 gems on the 2nd and final configure

[pure junco]

......

Wow

Lol that sucks dude

[charred minnow]

so if you put everything in the law of big numbers it's normal

[minor rover]

Hard to defend this game sometimes

[minor rover]

0.00001% chance of happening

[shadow sage]

which skill to prioritize for Massiah?

[warped kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[minor rover]

Happened to me

[pure junco]

💳 New Solution! Drop 12k into the Gacha, trust me

[minor rover]

Imagine 12k and no lily

[pure junco]

I remember someone here spending around 6k just to get her but didn't

[minor rover]

Looking at volkin reroll that seems highly possible

[minor rover]

wtf

[pure junco]

There's also a lot who has most of the characters but not her

My Sherlock Holmes is kicking in

[charred minnow]

my last one was Heinrich at 640 pulls

and had a shitload of dupes

[pure junco]

After 600 pulls

😅 Geez

[charred minnow]

ye but as in I have all characters after 640 pulls

[warped kestrel]

Would drag my balls through a mile of broken glass just to see a "D" in my pulls.

[charred minnow]

you see the "D" and get hit by this

now you got your balls shaved and a dokidoki

[warped kestrel]

And a dokidoki dupe, because I already have her

[charred minnow]

[warped kestrel]

[minor rover]

I would take this anyday over my 3rd dupe on 5 of my heroes

[charred minnow]

I would love a Rilmocha dupe atp

12% crit dmg look fine as hell

[minor rover]

U can exchange for dupes in the shop

[charred minnow]

ye but not rn

I bought the first ril dupe from shop

[minor rover]

Yea just gotta wait ig

[frozen stone]

Obal is such a cope

[minor rover]

I goon to Obol

Esp when he hits 3 dots in his S3

[charred minnow]

lmao

[pure junco]

I finished building Xiada and finally understood the power

[true trench]

no lily?

[charred minnow]

find the bug

[minor rover]

Inferno?

[dreamy cliff]

Queue action

[charred minnow]

yes and party list and the next battle the characters became the wrong characters but were doing the original character ults

Kloss doing Holden ult was cool

[pure junco]

I wish.

[pure junco]

They also do each other's ults sometimes 😅

[mental mural]

Posting my hell 4 terrormaton 70% clearate on manual here
With shadow sania ofc

Need to edit first

[pure junco]

Welcome to the ever growing brotherhood of manual runs

[minor rover]

Painful ain’t it, tied to the chair 24/7

[mental mural]

The tragic thing is.
You unlock it at level 35
But you need level 50 gear to auto it

If I had codex of magic I might be able to auto it
Might

[pure junco]

even with Shadow Sania I find this chair to be my only way out

[mental mural]

I use helkid to prevent push back

[pure junco]

Man I wish had Helkid

[mental mural]

I just found out black clover mobile is getting terminated next month

[mental mural]

He's like the light in the darkness for me

[pure junco]

I bet dude

[minor rover]

Wait do u have lily

[mental mural]

Without him I wouldn't be able to clear hell 4

[pure junco]

I.... No......

[minor rover]

A road of misery lies ahead

[mental mural]

No sound for good reasons

Should I 5 star fangus?

[graceful juniper]

Y

[pure junco]

Showing us why you're the ultimate Chad

[crude sparrow]

do you think it´s worth starting over with lily+SAnia?

[minor rover]

i have come to peace looking at 1%hp

[minor rover]

but yes absolutely even now i feel like creating an alt just for lily

[mental mural]

Show team

[upbeat breach]

Anyone has a decent xiada team for doki without lily?

I am trying some combinations here but they are just all horrible

[mental mural]

We need a test server

[minor rover]

i suggest going double cc with halloween

[upbeat breach]

i am trying mio+kaz but it is not working

[minor rover]

whats their eff acc

[valid zephyr]

Mio works but you need to be able to one shot first wave

[upbeat breach]

impossible to one shot first wave with xiada

[upbeat breach]

220+

[valid zephyr]

Its possible

[minor rover]

oh, then you need to tune it such that ur cc enters first during wave 2

[upbeat breach]

At this point I dont even need a fast run, just a stable one

[valid zephyr]

I mean yea but otherwise just try Kloss Freya Kazuyo Valerian but you need them to be fast

[minor rover]

and i assume ur xiada is on rev?

[upbeat breach]

yes

as bizarre as it sound the team that works better is with a rosa as support

but I only have one fully build rev

[crude sparrow]

is it worth starting over with lily+Sania account?
can do doki hell 4 but I feel it will be too much resources for inferno elsewhre

[valid zephyr]

Wait what difficulty are you asking about?

@upbeat breach ^

[minor rover]

build 2 revs and go xiada rosa/freya as sub dps

[upbeat breach]

inferno

[valid zephyr]

Okay so

My personal opinion

Dont bother with inferno doki

Its not worth it

[upbeat breach]

I think that is what I will have to do

[valid zephyr]

The point of Doki is the swiftrush and timeweave drops

Which Hell IV and Inferno basically are the same

[minor rover]

swiftraid tho

[upbeat breach]

only place I can get inferno modules

[minor rover]

gives u speed advantage if u are speed heavy

[valid zephyr]

Yea but its not worth it if you cant reliable farm it

I rather have 8/8 clears with chance of rolling the swiftrush mainstat and speed subs

Than 3-4 pieces of inferno sets from 50 runs

And that 50 runs is ass

Because they have base 120% eff ass

[upbeat breach]

I would take 50/50 over 100% in hell4 any day

[minor rover]

i mean, its 2x now, no btr time to farm it then now

[tribal osprey]

0-1***

[upbeat breach]

problem is taht i dont even have that

[valid zephyr]

I mean if you are unlucky

The thing is that everything else

Drops the same

So you want to maximise runs of drops

[minor rover]

damn u are unlucky

[valid zephyr]

Not have a higher chance of getting gear you cannot use

You cant use swift raid until you can clear Hoyan or Rengoku Inferno

But those juicy swiftrush sets now with speed rolls

Will be universally usable

[tribal osprey]

Yeah I’m just autoing hell4 rn

[valid zephyr]

15% speed is about 16 speed ish

[tribal osprey]

Can’t be bothered to manual for trash drop

[valid zephyr]

Its not impossible to catch up with good speed rolls

If you cant reliably farm inferno

Youre just gonna end 2x with nothing to show for it

I already went back to farm Hell IV

But like I said

This is personal opinion

Its up to you what you want to do

[minor rover]

im not even there for the swiftraid tbh, im just farming the coins if they even give more

[valid zephyr]

They dont

[tribal osprey]

Damn

[valid zephyr]

Thats the thing

[minor rover]

[valid zephyr]

Its the exact same drop

With extra inferno matrix in drop tables

It still drops 2 matrix slots btw

I had a 8 clear run where it was ALL 2 matrix pieces in inferno

Like what the fuck

I take 1.5mins longer to get the same shitty drop

[tribal osprey]

Back to hell 4

[minor rover]

thats true, was farming inferno hoyan yst and got 2 3 matrix shells in 500 stamina

[frozen stone]

I believe they will have response soon

[true trench]

no lily wheelchair team signing in 😭

[crystal chasm]

what can i run for inferno terrormaton

(autoable preferabbly)

[mental mural]

Day 9 of pushing for an onslaught crit damage piece
We keep it pushing!

[valid zephyr]

Also one more thing is

Swiftraid doesn't help with speed advantage

Because you're contesting supports

Not contesting DPS

Swiftraid doesn't drop on ANY of the supporting shells other than codex

[minor rover]

hey thats rlly good for auto doki non lily! ;D

[valid zephyr]

It doesn't matter that my DPSes have 15 more speed when their Marvell outspeeds my entire team and pushes me back to hell

[minor rover]

it gives u speed advantage either ways esp early on, if you slap swift raid rn and u go to arena then check the rankings of who has cleared inferno doki, u atk those who have not and u instantly win

[minor rover]

u can still slap it on an advancer, advancers dont rlly care abt anyth other than speed esp for etherena

[valid zephyr]

I'm am not going to build a white fang for my advancer just for PVP

Not when I'll eventually build something else

It costs way too much to roll the passive stats

[minor rover]

XD

[valid zephyr]

And if you're not rolling a red stat speed

You might as well use a random support 333 shell instead

Cause those have 5 higher max speed

40 instead of 35

[minor rover]

for me rn i have a rev with swift raid and 14 speed and i just put it on my tsuki

[valid zephyr]

Correct but the thing is I'm not gonna go build one just for it

So realistically speaking

It's still not worth

[minor rover]

true

[valid zephyr]

Unless you're a whale

[minor rover]

its just that i already have and imprinted

[valid zephyr]

Yeap

[minor rover]

the matrixes were just right

[valid zephyr]

If you do then it's not bad

But it don't then it's eg

[minor rover]

also i think the strat is to save stamina pots

[valid zephyr]

Also

[minor rover]

for next round

[valid zephyr]

Revenant Freya splash

I met one just now

[minor rover]

LOL how did it go

[valid zephyr]

I lost

LOL

Cause I wasn't expecting it and I didn't bring a defensive support

[minor rover]

alil too broken in pvp

[valid zephyr]

I nuked their DPS instead

[minor rover]

it limits the game backk into the speed game

[valid zephyr]

I should have check

I could have killed her before she moved

[minor rover]

[valid zephyr]

But I didn't so I killed the DPS instead

[minor rover]

havent went back into pvp in awhile but im sure tanky comps stocks are gonna fall cos of rev

[upbeat breach]

That is not how game works at all

I have been close to top 100 in arena with the gear from first week, so no inferno at all

[minor rover]

wdym, 2 days back i just went into arena to see top 100 and checked for those that havent cleared doki inferno which is like 80% of them and i outspeed them xD

[minor rover]

except those with 14 speed substats

[upbeat breach]

I am running a speed comp on defense that is entirely based on winning the speed check and I am above 50% on def

[minor rover]

gigabyte right

[upbeat breach]

No I mean having the highest speed in the starter and that is it

[frozen stone]

Bro you don’t have lily might as well wait the devs

[minor rover]

oh oh, i mean i def cant outspeed u, my tsuki s1 is not even maxed

[naive sluice]

no lily = no pandemonium

[clever tapir]

Remove flat main stat from right side modules plsssssss 5 of these are flat main stats.....

[crystal chasm]

ye no lily is literally bricked bruh

worst part is

i have shadow sania messiah and heinrich all s1

lol

3x ld dupes

instead of giving me a single lily

and now my account is bricked

crazy work

[warped kestrel]

That will never happen, and it should never happen. The point is to keep you farming for years to come.

[clever tapir]

sighhh

[sly ravine]

you will farm for years anyway to get that perfect module

idk why but sw also does this shit and it's annoying af, if you played sw, you know how much you need to farm to get the right runes etc even if you take out the flats

and the difference here is that you can't infinite farm either, you are limited/day even if you whale your brains out

[royal otter]

Dude complains about not getting BIS gear 2 weeks after release while telling people who dont have Ssania to not want BIS gear and clear endgame in only 2 weeks. Cant get more hypocritical than that lmao.

[sly ravine]

my case is today, played all day to get some swift modules, got only one piece of swift that rolled blue in speed.....

[normal lichen]

was anyone able to figure out how to auto inferno aurora? i m so close (usually around 10-15% left before my rosa dies) i feel like a couple tweaks could do the trick

[glass vale]

everytime 🤣

lets ban 2 lines on endgame gear please 🤣

[tardy ridge]

at least the main stat is good to use for now

[tribal osprey]

[tribal osprey]

Hp% and def flat incoming

[glass vale]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-gif-3479536

[dreamy cliff]

Terrormaton was nerfed

It wasnt announced but I can def tell it was, dmg is way lower now

Usually turn1 one of my units procced val passive 100% of the time, now it never procs and alll my units are still about half health

[normal lichen]

now they need to nerf inferno aurora

[crude sparrow]

I don´t think so

[true trench]

did you accidently go to hell4

[zenith copper]

sure feels good to spread misinformation

[jolly relic]

Brax was right

[mental mural]

Despite that he's still hiting the sukuna domain expansion on me

Look at the hp 😂

[dreamy cliff]

Damn thats close 😂😂

[mental mural]

"Resist"

[coarse granite]

have they still said nothing about up coming changes/ideas

or is this thread for nothin

[carmine palm]

both. no announcements and CM said they're ignoring this thread from now on, just open to vent

[coarse granite]

CM?

[carmine palm]

community manager

[coarse granite]

no shot they said that

wtf

[carmine palm]

You can look through his posts from the 18th, hasn't said anything in this thread since then and not much overall since the 19th. I'd post a screenshot but people always get in trouble for quoting him.

[finite palm]

What do you want him to say? He can't do anything more than relay the feedback (which he has already done)

[carmine palm]

Not sure why you're asking me that, I'm just responding to the guy asking if there have been announcements.

[glass vale]

You kind of missed the key piece of information that the CMs have sent a LOT of feedback about all this to the devs so we're just waiting on them lol

[fast marlin]

If you are failing your runs just because of a little bit of rng use another artisian and you'll never lose

[carmine palm]

I told him to look at the CM's statements first hand? How is that missing anything?

[fast marlin]

That's the only change I did to have 100% runs on doki

[thin crystal]

More like 1/10 cause 10% guarantee resist

[pearl knot]

thats not how math works

[drowsy gust]

How is he being a hypocrite? Make the inferno reasonable and keep us farming it for years to chase perfect gear no matter if you own sania or not. It's what e7 does. Before rift came out, I got my wyvern 13 set up and farmed it for years and with over 300 units in e7, I'm still chasing gear in e7

[pearl knot]

its 10% resist for all your moves

[thin crystal]

It's just one move, you strip or not in your first move

[minor rover]

by the power of money i can now auto inferno terror, thank you game ..

uping veronika s1 to lvl 4 made me cry alil inside but worth

[mental mural]

Just reached lvl 50

Now I get it

[finite palm]

The person they were responding to was previously defending the difficulty saying it's only 2 weeks in iirc, and now they are complaining about flat main stats on right side gear

[drowsy gust]

Oh sorry I mistook him replying to Flamel as directly replying to Flamel not trying to talk about the other guy my bad @royal otter

[mental mural]

Depression?

[warped kestrel]

The more artisans I add the more consistent my runs become, but I'm starting to get worried about making more of them, because I doubt they're supposed to stack the way they do

[fast marlin]

Until it's working I'm just abusing it

[warped kestrel]

The paranoia of these devs just messing countless of my resources up with a patch is something I've never felt before in a gacha game

It's preventing me from investing into more Revelations, Artisans, etc

[drowsy gust]

Don't worry the single pull will make up for losing your entire investment

[outer falcon]

If you don't also paste 8 pages of context before each screenshot you're griefing and trolling the devs

[outer falcon]

I've never felt anything besides excitement at max skilling someone until I finished off Xiada's passive lmao. Not what you want in a game where the guaranteed wins are supposed to buttress against the misery of the RNG

[charred minnow]

well my dokidoki inferno runs in manual go very fast hehe, but so much small rng else I could run on auto ;-;

[sacred mirage]

this is real. i pulled ssania and while i still dont agree this cheese is reasonable, i dont want to put 4 lattices in her and have her screwed either

the longer they wait, the more people are committing resources to shit

more resets wont fix anything regarding shells :/

[drowsy gust]

I'm so cooked if artisan is a critical bug

[sacred mirage]

me with revelation

until i just got ssania literally an hour ago

and i dont like that being the only reason i wouldnt be screwed

[charred minnow]

I can't fit more artisans ;-; I need my 2x codex

[gilded mirage]

Inferno runs so far. Take note I count the new modules as part of 3-matrix drops

As of 42 runs the equivalent of 84 normal runs, 3* modules have an advantage of 7 extra drops. Or 15 if new modules are included

[ember fern]

can xiada team auto inferno doki?

[brave heath]

yes

especially if u have lily

[ember fern]

thanks

[past geyser]

finally beat inf hoyan without ssania or lily xD

[brave heath]

now do it on auto

[past geyser]

damn that was hard to do

I'd probably need to spend lattices on them for auto :(

[civic relic]

Apparently this is possible. Was watching a run lol

[minor rover]

nice team!

is that a first

[glacial magnet]

How consistent is it?

[past geyser]

was my first, idk if others used something similar

[minor rover]

sickk, i def havent seen this team before

[gilded mirage]

Updated Inferno drops, new sets are counted in 3-lines column as well

[past geyser]

for those without a maxed lattice doki

got this to work too

no ssr lattices

no inferno gear

[civic relic]

No clue, was a replay not mine

It does seem full auto though

[royal otter]

What skill ups on obol and chiaki?

[past geyser]

505 both

[sly ravine]

i'm thinking of a terra inferno team pade up of cachi the G, valerian, mia, ditting, would holden be best suited for that spot?

[quick sapphire]

Cachi just carried me through Doki inferno

W character

[sly ravine]

i wanted to get him from standard banner, but farmed doki all day and only got unbreakable and bramble gear, istg not a single swiftrush above +9 speed

[sly ravine]

yeah, love the little bastard, his immunity and def up are top notch

[charred minnow]

love how there's coming up more and more threads

just like it was expected... people got into 2x event, more ppl got lv50, more ppl are met with a hard wall

[crude sparrow]

alright guys

got a lily + SSania reroll

let´s bet which account gets farther, main acc or alt

[upbeat breach]

lily alone already does every single thing in the game

[crude sparrow]

it will depend on if we get inferno nerf or not I´d say

main can do hell 4s just fine

[upbeat breach]

Problem is that you basically cant touch inferno without lily

Instead of doing 1.5min auto runs, I have to do 4min manual runs because I dont have her

[crude sparrow]

do you have SSania?

[upbeat breach]

yes

[crude sparrow]

damn, even with her

I mean, doki doki maybe doable

[upbeat breach]

lily is the one carrying eveything, not sania

[upbeat breach]

doki is horrible without lily, unless you have the full one shot comp

[crude sparrow]

I have the combo

hehe

I can auto doki hell 4

[upbeat breach]

for combo I meant the rilmocha one, with kloss+beyontin

[crude sparrow]

the thing is terror and aurora are far from there

we´ll see, main account has lattice advantage

and 2 weeks

[upbeat breach]

It is tiring seeing people asking for inferno nerf but they dont say shit about how cancerous lily is

[crude sparrow]

she is

[upbeat breach]

I have to run double DPS combo just because I dont have her

also take 4 times longer to do the same thing

[tiny sage]

can't deal with Lily Cancer if you spend 10 hour in PvE Farming dungeons instead of PvP

[upbeat breach]

I am talking about lily in pve not pvp

Lily S1 shouldnt exist at all

[tiny sage]

Thats the thing even with Lily its cancer

[upbeat breach]

It is not cancer at all lol

[tiny sage]

nah it is

[upbeat breach]

It is a freaking walk in the park compared to not having lily

[tiny sage]

Its just without Lily you already 6 feet under.

[upbeat breach]

And I have no idea who said Xiada is good for doki, because she is just as bad as Rosa wtf

[nova island]

shes good with revelation

not otherwise

[upbeat breach]

I am running her with revelation

She is goood with lily and that is it

[nova island]

should be fine without, from my understnd got to get her up to lvl 3 quick and have near 100% crit chance

[upbeat breach]

I am doing that, she still cant kill fast enough

Unless you have to run in speed gear instead of dps gear...

[tribal osprey]

You just run full atk with hp and spam revelations every 3 turns

[upbeat breach]

And how are you supposed to stay alive if you need that many full rotations to kill a wave?

[tribal osprey]

Idk there was a few replays of it

[upbeat breach]

Yes, almost everyone is running xiada with lily

Like that she can S3 with revelation two turns in a row

[nova island]

yup

i am autoing inferno without lily... but its tia/rahu

[upbeat breach]

really?wtf

[nova island]

yeah 100% success too

but tia is 5/0/5 and rahu is 4/4/4

[upbeat breach]

I am failing with xiada 155 and rosa 355...

get random stun a billion times in a row, waste a full round and that is it

[nova island]

tia is my only blue unit, so she is the main target, and i am using amber, so if she dies she just comes back (unless u kill her twice in 4 turns)

and when she comes back the injury is reset 🙂

[upbeat breach]

amber cancel injury?

[nova island]

ya

[upbeat breach]

that is so bizarre wtf

[nova island]

when its like u die then be rezed into ice

so i think its intended

[upbeat breach]

Yeah, it seems it counts as actually reviving the unit

[scarlet quartz]

surely we get a dev notice on monday right

[surreal bobcat]

yeah

[surreal bobcat]

cool team

[nova island]

i hope so

[surreal bobcat]

it is, vice taunt is insane

[carmine palm]

nah, need at least 4 days to assess after 2x event to see if new levels/gear/prowess removed the problem naturally. And by then it'll be the weekend again, so...

[scarlet quartz]

Surely they know that this is an issue that needs to be adressed quickly

I've seen people dropping the game like flies already

[surreal bobcat]

she is insane

[upbeat breach]

insane as long as you have lily

[carmine palm]

This could be intentional. Like those spam emails that go out with a ton of typos. It selectively filters out the people who aren't worth trying to appeal to.

[surreal bobcat]

this is with lilly, you can remove lilly for freya

[upbeat breach]

That is the thing, you cant remove lily with freya

I tried

Lily alone is doubling xiadas's damage, there is nothing even close to it

[surreal bobcat]

not sure what to tell you, ive done most of the combinations...

[pure junco]

The options are right there. Quit because of the many issues(probably come back after a year). Wait and see a while longer for changes. Make due with what you have patiently

[upbeat breach]

Just saying what I have been trying today. Just full bad experience with her

As bad as when I was doing with Rosa

[surreal bobcat]

unlucky i guess

[upbeat breach]

Tried combinations with the following units
Mio, Kaz, Freya, Valerian, Ling, Rosa, Xiada

Leveled up Mio's S2 and it is still the same shit. Also got Xiada's S3 to lv 5 and it is the same too

[scarlet quartz]

I dont think being unsatisfied with how the progression is rn is unreasonable

[upbeat breach]

So you filter only the people that got lily+sania in the pulls?

If I was expecting it to be that bad I wouldnt have recharged in the beta at all, it just makes no sense at all

[surreal bobcat]

here is the thing for doki: If you plan to survive in there and not go for the one shot, you need to be able to cleanse the debuffs and withstand a couple hits.

Freya+Lingluo will manage that for you fairly comfortably, you will need both on gigabyte and freya on full timeweave to cycle better. Speed wise both should be 220ish

If you are going for the full xiada one shot, you need to be able to stack alot of buffs quickly, so the likes of yang, chiaki etc will be good to enable the quick soul flames to spam rev s3.

Also Xiada at 1-1-5, its preferred that she has revelation with 100% crit+as close to 4.2k atk as possible, onslaught+ keeneye/fury/harvest is alright but fury/keeneye is probably ideal.

There will be 2 reasons you fail, one you get rng fucked by the ai and they solely target your dps, you cant change this.

2. you get attacked and you dont cleanse your debuffs and you get railed because of that

same principles apply for rosa but instead of buffers swap for one debuffer like a kloss

[upbeat breach]

I will try to modify xiada for that. I just ignore crit damage right?

Yeah I will need to farm terror for a while for that

[surreal bobcat]

thats my xiada

use 2x crit rate and 1xcdmg to start with, once you get more gear or make her 1-5-5 (if you choose to), then you can go 1x crit rate, 1xcdmg and 1x atk bonus

with the likes of xiada and rosa, damage should always be the least of your worries

[upbeat breach]

she is 155

[upbeat breach]

damage is ok as long as I can actually play 🤣

Problem is that sometimes I get stun locked until I die

[warped kestrel]

The reason for this is that half of the game rerolled for a Lily, so:

1. Half of people will deny that she's OP
2. That half of people will defend her with teeth and nails as if their lives depended on it. Thus, this makes trying to get Lily nerfed a waste of time right now, she will get nerfed eventually once people get established in RTA and start getting tired of every game having a Lily pick/ban, but that time is not now. Getting inferno difficulty nerfed is far more realistic now.

TL;DR Lily is untouchable for the time being.

[upbeat breach]

Problem is that they balanced the whole game considering how cancerous lily is

[warped kestrel]

Makes you wonder if the dev(s) that tested PvE just ran every dungeon with Lily in their teams or something

[upbeat breach]

They just checked what people ran and that was it

Since everyone is just running lily everywhere

[scarlet quartz]

I dont think Lily will get nerfed

[edgy wind]

another inferno team without lily (took me max skills on rosa, tsuki(shes insane) and cachi)

[scarlet quartz]

I dont think lily should get nerfed

She is the apex LD character it's not so terrible that she is obnoxious in PvP especially cause u can pre-ban shit

[warped kestrel]

She will either get nerfed or powercrept. There's no way the disgusting status quo of Lily being the supreme unit will last forever, it just can't be that way, they'd lose money if it was.

[scarlet quartz]

But i her being borderline required for pve is the issue

[drowsy gust]

When e7 launched in Japan they allowed ml 5s on standard and galaxies off the bat which meant people could reroll for Arbiter Vildred. Because arbiter vildred was so strong at the start both the pve and pvp of the game was based on if you had arby or not and that debacle is why e7 Japan's launch got smothered in the cradle and is pretty much a small server

[scarlet quartz]

oh she will get powercrept

I also dont think she is that broken in pvp rn

[warped kestrel]

Who crowned her the apex LD though, she's just as rare as every other SSR LD, her being so disgusting with such an overloaded kit compared to even other SSR LDs is unreasonable

[scarlet quartz]

No there is usually an outlier

[warped kestrel]

They could've designed her doing only half of the things she does and she would still be a top tier support

[fringe mesa]

i know lilly is op but nerfing her is only gonna maake things worse

[upbeat breach]

because the devs dont have the balls to do what we actually need

[fringe mesa]

they gotta just dumb down the pve lol

[scarlet quartz]

What needs to happen is not a lily nerf

lol

[upbeat breach]

it should have happened even with the old inferno

what are you even talking about

[scarlet quartz]

not at all

it just made clears faster

[upbeat breach]

She is better than every single support in all the roles

[scarlet quartz]

Beyotin would be better for rushing down shit if the bosses actually had a limited hp pool

[upbeat breach]

how it can be better than dealing double damage?

[scarlet quartz]

Chiaki is the better opener if u wanna cleave

[upbeat breach]

full reset the revelation

[scarlet quartz]

crit atk buff, still resets alot of s3's

[upbeat breach]

Her s3 literally fully reset anything

[scarlet quartz]

beyontin doesnt

lily does

[upbeat breach]

That is what I am saying, that lily double the damage

[scarlet quartz]

doesnt matter that much if its not a revelation based dps

[upbeat breach]

Since the dps can just s3 two times in a row with full rev damage

[scarlet quartz]

rev is only that broken because of the giga buffed hp pools

[scarlet quartz]

^ hence why this is wrong

revert inferno to beta and the need for lily reduces to 0

She will still be incredibly strong in pvp yes, not to the point of having to get nerfed

[upbeat breach]

lets be real, 100% on follow up doesnt make sense with a kit that strong

She could do 10 damage to herself on S1 and she would still be amazing

[scarlet quartz]

She is overloaded

i am not saying she isnt

[glass ruin]

does lingluo s1 max help a lot

[scarlet quartz]

but buffing her is worse for the game

than just leaving her be

[true trench]

just try playing without a lily lmao

this is the average experience for non lily havers

[scarlet quartz]

I dont use my lily in RTA at all

[upbeat breach]

buff? they need to nerf her hard

[scarlet quartz]

because buffed PvE is the issue

[scarlet quartz]

i meant nerf but no

a lily nerf is a bad idea

[upbeat breach]

it is not, she is not balanced, it is simple

[scarlet quartz]

if they nerf lily the death of the game is just accelerated

[upbeat breach]

they nerfed everything that was a bit over, except for the stupid LDs...

[scarlet quartz]

release a unit

that punishes follow ups

done

[upbeat breach]

People want to complain about dots but lily is so much more toxic

[scarlet quartz]

but neither dots nor lily should get touched

but the pve

by alot

[upbeat breach]

because you dont like nerfs..

[civic relic]

Wait can celince revelation dps solo carry for doki

[scarlet quartz]

because nerfs are bad for the game

you dont wanna nerf shit in gachas

especially not 2 weeks after release

if this wasnt a gacha i would agree with you

but this just leads to less people staying

especially when the whole issue is the pve difficulty itself

[ember notch]

🙂

[scarlet quartz]

I'm telling u she is not that bad in pvp

[warped kestrel]

There's 0 chance the devs look at recent dungeon clears of every dungeon, see the one character that is in 99% of them, even more so than SSania, and don't think to themselves "damn, we fucked up"

[upbeat breach]

it is not bad to the game to nerf something that is unbalanced

[scarlet quartz]

if it is to an outragous degree, yeah sometimes stuff has to be touched

lily doesnt

[carmine palm]

Or they look at all the people who whaled on perm banner until they got her and think to themselves, "Damn, we're geniuses"

[upbeat breach]

SSania impact to the game cant even be compared to lily

[ember notch]

nerfing the content isnt actually the problem btw, lily shouldnt even be released on this state at the lauch of the game

[upbeat breach]

have you tried playing without lily?

[ember notch]

but now it's too late ofc

[warped kestrel]

Touche...

[true trench]

i dont really care for lily nerfs. would rather see slight adjustment to the inferno numbers and potentially removing the ramping soft enrage mechanics. hoping that theyre gonna see how/if things change a few days after the 2x is over

[upbeat breach]

I have to manual every single content in the game because I didnt get a lily, meanwhile ppl are running stuff on auto in 1min

[scarlet quartz]

I do not use Lily for RTA, PvE she makes things incredibly easy i pulled her around level 55~

but lily itself

is not the issue

inferno is

if u nerf lily and leave things as it is

[ember notch]

inferno should be hard

[scarlet quartz]

everyone is just miserable

[ember notch]

i do not agree at all

[upbeat breach]

And how do you balance inferno around a unit that let you one shot everything?

[ember notch]

but lily just makes it too easy

[scarlet quartz]

Lily will still be very prevelant in the clear time section, no issues there

whether u clear in 20s or 60s is not an issue

[upbeat breach]

It is not about clear section, it is about teams taking 4 times longer without her

[warped kestrel]

This, even if Lily got nerfed to the ground right now:

• Inferno is still insanely hard for any normal player
• At least half of the game will ragequit and make the biggest drama imaginable because their silver bullet character got nerfed
• People already took advantage of her and can snowball that advantage further even if she gets nerfed

The sensible solution at this point is to nerf Inferno to a point where everyone can reasonably do it, and wait for the right moment to nerf her months from now once everyone has settled down and everyone is ok with a nerf.

[upbeat breach]

And with an insanely bigger failure rate

[pearl knot]

when inferno nerf

[full delta]

I also don’t use Lily for RTA and am sitting comfortably in top 25.

I don’t think they should nerf Lily for PvE sake since yeah everyone is just miserable then. Just make inferno easier for comps that don’t have her

[ember notch]

yes that's why nerf isnt an option i already got it

[scarlet quartz]

two sensible people here

this chat is healing

[ember notch]

because it's just too late

[scarlet quartz]

[scarlet quartz]

If they are smart about it and just counter lily mechanics with new units

[ember notch]

almost the entire community dropped their main acc to reroll a lily or just straight cashplay to get her

[scarlet quartz]

there will be no need for a lily nerf

[ember notch]

true

[scarlet quartz]

That is how strong units should be handled

not by nerfing

there are exceptions

but lily is not in that spot

[full delta]

Introduce a speed contester with higher base speed

[ember notch]

i just blame the devs releasing lily at this state

that's fucking stupid

[scarlet quartz]

lily is already pretty bad unless your whole team is close to her speed

as an opener

if your oponent has equal gear lily is not bridging

[full delta]

Yeah I don’t run her and rather just go bruisers. Lily is usually paired with another speed contester or like a Freya to push further

or paired with a hard cc

Assuming they have no bulwark

Anyways - yeah Lily in PvE isn’t an issue. The current state of inferno is

[upbeat breach]

Tried complaining about her since first beta. Only answer I got was people saying that she was perfectly balanced lol

[full delta]

When Doki inferno requires you to cc or cycle a lot with revelation to clear but you can’t land sleep on Kazuyo even with 230% + accuracy and max skills

[warped kestrel]

I just hope it was out of ignorance and not out of greedy desire to make a quick cashgrab game that won't last. It could be either, really.

[ember notch]

they will probably release a lily banner when people will start to quit ig

[tiny sage]

Nah they just need to Nerf PvE back to beta levels

[ember notch]

that's a safe bet

[upbeat breach]

I asked for Lily nerf during beta level, that is a different thing

She shouldnt even exist. But since they were dumb enough to release her they need to fix it

[tiny sage]

Lets Address the elephant in the room first.

it isn't lily

its the overtuning of Farming PvE Stages to the point they have drained all time for fun from the game.

[upbeat breach]

Do you have lily?

[tiny sage]

yep

[upbeat breach]

....

[tiny sage]

and Ssania

[upbeat breach]

This is why you think she is not the problem

[tiny sage]

No

I know she is a problem

[scarlet quartz]

he is right tho

[tiny sage]

but she isn't the main issue

[scarlet quartz]

it's not lily

[tiny sage]

The main issue is the overtuning of Pve

[upbeat breach]

even worse that they didnt fix this shit before 2x

[scarlet quartz]

w take

based individual

[upbeat breach]

Now everyone with Lily will be miles ahead of everyone in the game

[tiny sage]

Yeah and it shoulda been fixed sooner

[ember notch]

so you just straight want mickey mouse content from pve

btw

[tiny sage]

No

[ember notch]

hard content is good

[upbeat breach]

content is basically impossible without lily

[tiny sage]

Hard Content is good

[ember notch]

inferno shouldnt be a 2 week thing

[scarlet quartz]

2 week

full refreshing

btw

[drowsy gust]

We're asking for easier farming not easier ember trek or ethernet rally

[upbeat breach]

You can give 20 weeks and it wont change anything at all, you still cant do shit without lily

[scarlet quartz]

there a plenty of areas they can have their hard pve

[tiny sage]

You can have the current Difficulty and Drop 3 Relics Per run and 1 of the Inferno Only Artifacts or you can nerf it.

[ember notch]

basically youre not playing the game if ur not refreshing anyways

[tiny sage]

[drowsy gust]

Why do people think we're just gonna be fully geared bis the day after we get our inferno

[true trench]

hard content is good but a few units triviliazing them with bad gear ruins it for everyone

[ember notch]

thats basic knowledge atp

[drowsy gust]

The grind will never end

[warped kestrel]

The hard content can be in the weekly/monthly resetting modes like Ember Trek and Ethernet, no reason to make the equipment dungeons that are meant to be 10x auto slop PvE content hard

[scarlet quartz]

okay so you are just dented

[young zealot]

I mean they are farmable stages, they are not suppsosed to be super strong end game bosses

[ember notch]

so it's not even a good point

[scarlet quartz]

perfect

[scarlet quartz]

that very easy to understand concept is lost with some people here

[drowsy gust]

I finished my w13 and rift in e7 years ago and I still farm the hell out of gear farming

I have over 1,500 pieces of +15 gear in e7 and I still farm for gear because new units keep coming out and I keep trying to get gear to push my ceilings

[young zealot]

This. The farming is infinite. People will be farming the same stages in 3, 6, 12 months.

[scarlet quartz]

I think the name "inferno" just breaks peoples brains

they should've named it hell 5

[warped kestrel]

And 10 years if the game lasts that long

[tiny sage]

Right now its looking more like Tribe 9 then E7

[scarlet quartz]

LOL

you think they got a 10 year plan as well

xD

[warped kestrel]

I was autofarming Dragon B10 in Summoners War 10 years ago, I'm now autofarming Dragon B12(new stage) 10 years later. The grind is eternal, and it's not meant to be hard

[upbeat breach]

5 freaking betas to screw the game on release, just insane

[tiny sage]

They have already had 3-4 Huge Misteps that put off a lot of the non E7 Crowd they need to branch out

[scarlet quartz]

Like what actually went wrong in their dev heads

that they test the pve for 5 betas

and then just crank the numbers

for release

[pearl knot]

idk why you would ever make farming stages hard it makes zero sense

[scarlet quartz]

a reasonable new guy

i love you

[carmine palm]

Every time they get called out about an issue they lock down communication more and more while promising the opposite.

[upbeat breach]

problem is not cranking the numbers, it is giving a bizarre boost to every single thing in the game

[warped kestrel]

Welcome to the family

[pearl knot]

like they have ember trek and the grid mode

[scarlet quartz]

yeah they crank the numbers and take our candy away

[pearl knot]

whatever its called

[scarlet quartz]

like they could've not nerfed a single unit

after beta

and we would still get cucked

[drowsy gust]

The family grows larger let's go

[warped kestrel]

We're still trying to figure out what possessed the dev that made those stages that hard to think that every run of an equipment dungeon was meant to be an epic MMORPG world raid-level fight

[scarlet quartz]

and my healer is afk

[carmine palm]

Until we hear from Jack about his reasoning behind stuff, I still believe there could have been a leadership change at the studio which caused the big balance (and communication) swing.

[tiny sage]

RTA Dupes Enabled. Cut the Playerbase. Buffs to Farming Stages. Cut the playerbase. Shadow Buffs(Xiada/SSania Weakened in Aurora/Doki) and Direct Nerfs(Veronika). Cut the Playerbase. Not announcing changes Scummy. Now Inferno Buffs from beta that Made Farming Stages a Chore which was the direct cause of at least 6 outside CC's to quit. Hurts the game.

[upbeat breach]

And also absolutely full silence

I guess they just need to wait for refund time to end before giving statements

[drowsy gust]

Jack is like that one dude in the picture with Stalin that got photoshopped out

[young zealot]

They fixed the Union bug though 🥸

[tiny sage]

probably

[pure junco]

The only thing that matters

[scarlet quartz]

LMAO

btw

my union shop refreshed

when they did that

LOL

bless em

[upbeat breach]

Can fix useless bugs but cant fix real problems

[upbeat breach]

with 2 days left, just amazing

[carmine palm]

jealous. I think the event shop refreshed for some people too, the dazzler one for whatever reason

[scarlet quartz]

they got their programming down

i like it

[tiny sage]

yeah

it did lol

[scarlet quartz]

this game is definitely "esports ready"

[warped kestrel]

How hard can it be to manage a game properly and not make the dumbest, most obvious mistakes at the worst times possible in the worst ways possible. It baffles me.

[drowsy gust]

Well the union fix shows there's at least someone at the studio lol sometimes it feels like nobody's there

[scarlet quartz]

I cry for the one intern trying to prevent this

[charred minnow]

LOL

did anyone else notice this

shell stat page:

make it make sense pls

[carmine palm]

it sounded like a server issue, so it's probably an outsourced IT guy

[charred minnow]

ATK and DEF are swapped, which one is the correct one

[drowsy gust]

At least someone was there to oncall people lol

[scarlet quartz]

they are both equally true

unlike the opinions in here

[charred minnow]

bruh how can this game even function

[drowsy gust]

bruh it's like every day we keep finding new stuff

This is the gift that keeps on giving

[scarlet quartz]

5 betas bro

for fun

[carmine palm]

Hellkid S2 will increase shield any day now

[scarlet quartz]

"yo did u read the feedback from beta?" "nah playing e7 rn"

[drowsy gust]

I'm convinced the beta and launch client are just two separate clients at this point lmao

[orchid needle]

yeah with how saturated the gacha market is, players just aren't that patient nowadays, ppl are just gonna stop playing

[scarlet quartz]

i mean terror oneshots that barrier anyway

[orchid needle]

devs are too slow and make too many big mistakes

[carmine palm]

I mean even in the beta a ton of people couldn't log in for 4 days without using a VPN, that was maybe an early indicator

[pure junco]

makes sense

[orchid needle]

and what happened to the community managers

[drowsy gust]

mfw I'm in a making mistakes competition and my opponent is Etheria Restart

💀

[young zealot]

True. Actually I keep playing cuz I like the game but definitely will slow down or stop if they don’t do anything about all of this

[orchid needle]

it's ok, china will save the game

[charred minnow]

china isn't gonna touch this game atp

[orchid needle]

i mean

they touched lost ark

and blade and soul

[charred minnow]

ngl I prefer playing Lost ark right now over this

[scarlet quartz]

lost ark is reasonable

blade and soul...

[charred minnow]

right now this is one whole ass hot mess

we went from complaining about Inferno difficulty and shadow nerfs to finding new bugs everyday

[orchid needle]

lost ark kinda has the same grind problem as this game

if we're talking difficulty actually farming

[scarlet quartz]

the issue is u kinda sign up for it

[orchid needle]

for the average player*

[warped kestrel]

I want this game to succeed so badly, since we haven't had a PvP gacha in so long, but my God are they making it hard

[charred minnow]

Lost Ark "difficulty"

[carmine palm]

Should be a lot more people hitting 50 this weekend, gunna be a brick wall for people who haven't been buying pulls or got unlucky with dupes

[scarlet quartz]

the difficult pve in lost ark was the appeal when people got into it

[charred minnow]

this shape buff move to that shape buff

[scarlet quartz]

hard raids

[warped kestrel]

They truly as snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

[drowsy gust]

I want this game to give e7 a kick in the ass to keep them on their toes but looks like e7 is gonna adopt the Valve strategy of letting their competitors bury themselves

[orchid needle]

brother do you remember the ocean abyss dungeon

people literally do not know how to count

[scarlet quartz]

BRO

The one

where u had to move

in a circle?

[tardy ridge]

whats the new bugs 🥀

[scarlet quartz]

around the crab or whatever

[orchid needle]

but that's just how it is, a lot of average players just don't really play to tryhard they just wanna have fun

[pure junco]

Many do, that's why there's so many frustrated

[carmine palm]

even early Lost Ark like that moose fight. People couldn't remember a color + a direction

[orchid needle]

so the difficulty for the average player to actually grind and get their gear, especially once the legion raids came out

also with gatekeeping and stuff

[drowsy gust]

What the hell happened to the game I enjoyed so much in the beta man

[scarlet quartz]

I think lost ark was always more catered to the "hardcore" audience

[tardy ridge]

i dont get it

[scarlet quartz]

real and true

[drowsy gust]

Look at the attack and defense of both screenshots

[charred minnow]

look at the ATK and DEF number in stat page and upgrade page

[orchid needle]

i think this game is also kind of catering to hard core players

[tardy ridge]

oh

[orchid needle]

since the focus is pvp after all

[scarlet quartz]

like all they had to do was take in the positive feedback from beta

yeah

but the issue is them making pve annoyingly hard

when catering to pvp people

[orchid needle]

[charred minnow]

this game is difficult because of all the bugs in the game

[scarlet quartz]

I just wanna do my gear farming man

[charred minnow]

[carmine palm]

This game wants to require daily MMORPG time investment

[young zealot]

The focus is pvp but for some reason I’ve been focusing on pve this all time 🥲

[orchid needle]

we already have really hard pve modes with anisync and rally idk why we have that difficulty for farming

[drowsy gust]

At this point unless Jack gives us a sign of life I'm just gonna assume he got taken out by the mafia or something

[charred minnow]

nah he's buying his yacht rn

[drowsy gust]

One of the triads got mad after his Kazuyo sleep got 10%'d

[carmine palm]

Most games on launch have some kind of celebration (number of downloads/placement on the app store charts, etc) and the director makes a thank you statement/bonus for players.

[orchid needle]

why is the 10% a thing

[tardy ridge]

need some rng

[charred minnow]

because other games have it and they copied bunch of other games 🙂

[orchid needle]

it's just yet another layer of annoying rng that makes auto farming even more inconsistent

[tardy ridge]

wheres the fun if no rng

[tiny sage]

The only thing they are fast about is fucking up the game. Only 1 positve change since beta (80 Pity on limited which lets be real is just making it more inticing to make people go to 80 pity instead of soft pity on standar)

[upbeat breach]

10% is ok, 10% on top of a billion resist on mobs isnt

[charred minnow]

I'd take 100 pity over all these bugs/changes

[orchid needle]

bruh and no soft pity on limited banner

[charred minnow]

atleast the units were usable

[carmine palm]

I was sure this would be a last minute-pre launch hype additional change.

[pearl knot]

10% resist is ass when you die with 1 resist on a CC

[warped kestrel]

The game has very sophisticated 10x auto that even allows you to leave the game and it keeps running your auto(a rarity in these kind of games) - yet the content feels like it's not meant to be autoed. It's like this game is having an identity crisis.

[orchid needle]

which company is publishing? the original dev company or a western one?

[warped kestrel]

Well... I shouldn't say very sophisticated, considering it doesn't allow for skill order assignment

[scarlet quartz]

for pvp it makes sense but 10% in pve is bs

always was and they still stick to it

for no apparent reason

[carmine palm]

XD (torchlight infinite and sword of convallaria)

[pearl knot]

love constantly reseting on Hooyan cuz an add resisted the silence

really fun

[scarlet quartz]

Cause that's how it was up until the very moment it released

[pure junco]

Etheria Restart Anniversary: Fixed the issue where drops became more frequent.

[drowsy gust]

Like there are things that give this game an advantage over its competitors like e7 we've been asking for gear loadouts for years. But we can't focus on the things that make this game good when there's so much struggling and it even seems like we find new stuff every day

[tiny sage]

When you have to spend 10 hours a day burning your stamina in the background...

You can't really play the good parts.

[drowsy gust]

Yup

[tiny sage]

"Just build better teams" With what Lattice

[scarlet quartz]

you can swap around gear all day tho at least since every piece of content needs a hyper specific comp

[tiny sage]

[upbeat breach]

That is when you can actually run shit in the background

[warped kestrel]

You're lucky enough to have the Lily privilege of burning it in the background, I have to burn it spending 10 hours a day with a large amount of it being manual

[scarlet quartz]

if they nerf pve we kinda need another reset event

or am i crazy

[orchid needle]

i really need to skill up lingluo or mia but i don't have the lattice to do so

[tiny sage]

I have to manual with lily

[drowsy gust]

Like every time I start huffing some copium to try to keep myself here I always find something new to sigh at like the guild war battle button being in chinese or the shell stats being mixed up

[tiny sage]

[tall saddle]

i have to farm terror inferno manual and i wanna kms ngl

[drowsy gust]

I'm tired boss....

[warped kestrel]

[upbeat breach]

I am in the same state, need to find a way to auto sania in a decent way without lily and without being able to block her useless S3

[scarlet quartz]

or people straight up not being able to get guild war rewards

cause only 60% of the guild needs to win their attacks

and then people cant hit for rewards

on day 2

[carmine palm]

IMO the starting roster was too big (did we really need both Rosa and Xiada on launch?). If the hyperlink missions gave like 3-5x the rewards we'd have enough to at least build up several teams to get started, and then we could ease into the post-honeymoon banner cycle of character build grind.

[drowsy gust]

Yeah that is so dumb I assume they thought people would int a lot

[scarlet quartz]

Imo the resources we get (lattices) are fine

you just need too much to clear pve

well

[upbeat breach]

They should have released the character pool from October and that is it

[scarlet quartz]

"attempt to clear"

[tiny sage]

YEP

[scarlet quartz]

like why do i need that kiddy diddler unit cachi the cuck just to clear a random shell stage

hello?

[tall saddle]

oh yeah if you don't have lily you might as well uninstall

can't imagine

[upbeat breach]

It is horrible

[tall saddle]

if an unit is necessary for almost all pve content then she should have been free

like wtf

but nah we get useless lian

[upbeat breach]

And it is not even to clear fast, it is to fucking clear the content

[scarlet quartz]

LIN

[carmine palm]

yea this game was real stingy with the free units. gunna be so many people who are bricked because they didn't reroll and got dupes during the honeymoon phase

[scarlet quartz]

actually in beta

[carmine palm]

and you don't really realize it until 2 weeks in

[scarlet quartz]

u could get by fine

with no matter what u got

from standard

so it was actually pretty decently balanced

[carmine palm]

yea cause gray and lian could clear everything lol

[scarlet quartz]

U WANNA SEE A BANGER

This is what we lost

This is what the game was supposed to be

[drowsy gust]

When was that photo taken 1923?

[warped kestrel]

All these games give you a set of free units and a set of quests that make you build them, and those free units are tailor-made to tackle the necessary PvE content. This one seemed to have the right idea with Lian, but then for some inexplicable reason decided to just make it so Lian couldn't do the Inferno farming stage of the dungeon her quests tell you to do with her, making her a nearly useless character.

[carmine palm]

lol it's like you read my message and found the perfect screenshot

[scarlet quartz]

final beta before release

[upbeat breach]

used to be chiaki instead of freya and something else in marvell's place

[orchid needle]

why did hoyan have to be useless in pve 😭

[scarlet quartz]

but both worked

is the important part

we had options