inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[uncut mica]

that enough for 1 (one) yellow DPS passive on a support shell

[scarlet quartz]

Are u just out of touch?

U are not making sense

[ornate moth]

would be nice but I highly doubt they'd add that, would reduce the grinding too much. Maybe as some kind of limited item u get from events or something

[warped stump]

you're the one not making any sense to me

[ornate moth]

like in wuwa they added a main stat modifier tool for echoes but it's limited in how many you can get per month

[upbeat breach]

If you are lucky! I spent 3m on a rev pet just to finish with a yellow passive

[paper dagger]

@ornate moth i wouldn't mind if it cost a ridiculous amount of the second currency like 500 or 1k of those things. like i said the problem is you'd never run out of those

[warped stump]

it took me a whole week of farming shells with max refreshes to max out a white fang for massiah

[scarlet quartz]

"Just use the revelation SSRs instead of ril" tell me how the underlying assumption that that can be a solution for people is not crazy talk

[ornate moth]

I have nearly run out of the 2nd currency before LOL idk what I'm doing wrong

[warped stump]

to realize i wanted revelation instead

[ornate moth]

maybe hoarding too many shells instead of mass recycling mythics idk

[left snow]

anybody who is using mocha team for inferno without mio-kazuyo package ?

[upbeat breach]

Yep, pet rerolling is a nightmare. It is soo RNG. I got a +16 gigabyte the moment I hit lv 35 and it has been carrying me hard

[carmine palm]

I spent like 2 weeks in shell mines, so I didn't need all the extra mythics

1 matrix? to the recycling factory

[upbeat breach]

After that I got a +18 white fang, it was sad 🤣

[paper dagger]

recycling factory i like that lol

[scarlet quartz]

yeah its useless talking to you

[surreal bobcat]

this was a full auto run yesterday when i was testing

[warped stump]

i think we can mutually agree on that fact ains

[ornate moth]

dang u beat my best auto time by 3 seconds 😭 I knew chiaki the echo would be better than freya

[upbeat breach]

I wish I had lily, it is so much worse without her. I could just run rosa+lily and that would be it

[ornate moth]

do you tune chiaki fastest or lily?

[left snow]

anybody ?

really curious the win rate of that team on auto

[charred minnow]

I love how this is basically just become my general chat 😂

[ornate moth]

lol true

[warped stump]

yea xiada seems so nice for this

[surreal bobcat]

take a closer look, my chiaki is 4 star and no prowess

[warped kestrel]

If that team can be made to work without Lily it'll be a very acceptably f2p/new player friendly team comp, since the only SSR in it can be selected.

[warped stump]

it wont be f2p with valerian in it

but it'll be new player friendly lol

[surreal bobcat]

actually

[uncut mica]

like 80% with current gear for my team. biggest point of failure is not having the speed to push everyone ahead of the attack down Andrew and if that lands on Rilmocha it's a dead run

[ornate moth]

tsukiyo or dokidoki work but still RNG to have more than one specific SSR I guess

[upbeat breach]

valerian is f2p...

[surreal bobcat]

i swapped the team to: freya, lingluo, lilly, xiada, kazuyo

[warped stump]

doesnt she require you to spend a dollar to guarantee it

not f2p

:p

[left snow]

would you mind sharing a screenshot of your team ?

[upbeat breach]

or you just pull her 🤣

[warped stump]

also ld4s have much worse rates than regular 4s so idk

[paper dagger]

well in that case chiaki the echo isn't f2p either

[tardy ridge]

nothing is f2p

[ornate moth]

lol I mean any SR is probably considered f2p friendly even if it's possible to not get them after 500 pulls, just cause it's fairly likely to get them

[upbeat breach]

Unless you have shitty luck like me with diting it is ok

[warped stump]

when im used to discussing f2p vs p2w teams usually the distinction is free nat5s (SSRs) and elemental 4* (SR) are f2p, but everything else is suspicious

[upbeat breach]

even if the SR is max skilled it is still f2p

[ornate moth]

any team not using lian/gray/sybil/cachi is p2w whale team

[tardy ridge]

andrew = p2w have to pull for them

[warped kestrel]

Yeah my phrasing for "f2p" was maybe bad, the only truly "f2p" characterss are the ones the game gives you, so... the starter ones and Lian. But SRs are easy enough to pull that you're very likely to get them in your 600 free pulls

[tardy ridge]

ggs

[royal otter]

Can you clear any other inferno with xiada? curious since i got her and thinking of resetting my rilmocha since she only good for doki for a dps that can clear a few infernos, at least aurora or niconana

[ornate moth]

do you notice that doing any better than val variant?

[scarlet quartz]

SSRs can not be assumed to be F2P with 1 selector

[carmine palm]

I think giving out 1-2 SR selectors (maybe one RGB only, and one with everything) would go a long way for unlucky players.

[ornate moth]

she can clear aurora and nico inferno yeah

[surreal bobcat]

you could probably make a team of: kazami, freya, kazuyo, lingluo and xiada work.

Or change freya for yang. I swapped valerian recently for lingluo

[ornate moth]

with certain units

[uncut mica]

Lily is literally just being used as a speed booster so Rilmocha gets to wave 2 on time to hit before sleep wears off

[warped stump]

i've heard lingluo is really good for consistency here but needs skillups to be super consistent

[royal otter]

Nice think she is better than messiah or rosa? I torn between those 3

[warped stump]

i do not have skillups so can't confirm or deny it

[surreal bobcat]

i did aurora but manual for now. Will build a dorothy and vice, should fix the auto issues and healing issues

[left snow]

that was the team i was considering to run, i also have xiada but dont want to reset my mocha for her lol

[warped kestrel]

As long as Freya remains the first banner for every new account for posterity, I guess that'd be acceptable too.

[left snow]

can you show me your gear ?

shells & speed specifically

[surreal bobcat]

yeah, the biggest thing is freya+lingluo provides immunity or debuff cleansing so it stops a good layer of rng, i found it very helpful. But obviously it can work without that combo

[warped stump]

i've seen this specific team with valerian in place of lily as well and it works too

[ornate moth]

massiah needs dokidoki or lily I think to be good in doki dungeon. Cause otherwise he doesn't get to spam his s3 enough and wastes time single target. Xiada > Rosa for doki and general aoe stuff like anisync/ember trek etc., but worse than rosa for aurora/nico. Massiah can do all but yeah I think he's reliant on lily/doki to do good AOE

[warped stump]

i think that one requires codex kazuyo and kloss though

[uncut mica]

So does mine

Codex on Freya, Kloss, Kazuyo

Count on Rilmocha

[royal otter]

Yeah ive got lily luckily

[warped stump]

oh

the standard oneshot build got it

[upbeat breach]

I think most people are used to massiah when paired with lily, because without lily he is a turtle

But his invulnerability is great to deal with rng

[uncut mica]

Codex Lily makes wave 2 slightly better too tbh since she'll crit buff rilmocha for extra pop

[ornate moth]

if u have lily & massiah early on, I think u can kinda use those 2 for everything in the game basically

[uncut mica]

but I don't have a 4th built codex

[true trench]

dont disrespect massiah 😭 he comfortably clears doki in 5 minutes on his own..most of the time 😭

[surreal bobcat]

massiah doesnt need doki, he needs lilly. even then you dont really need her. With all the dps options, your goal is to kill in one, max 2 s3s

[upbeat breach]

not sure they can be used on terror and aurora inferno

[left snow]

codex boosts the win rate in auto by a lot right ?

[surreal bobcat]

my first doki inferno clear was with massiah 😉

[left snow]

cause i dont have as many build codexs with same team and my win rate is a lot lower than yours on auto

[ornate moth]

just added doki cause I did see a massiah doki clear with dokidoki and no lily

[left snow]

[ornate moth]

terror idk. Aurora definitely

[uncut mica]

Yes since it's how you get def breaks and sleeps on everyone turn 2

[ornate moth]

several have used massiah lily to clear aurora inferno

[true trench]

massiah is so helpless i maxed valerian s1 for a chance to not get 1v9'd by the 2nd wave middle mob

[upbeat breach]

I cleared with a no skill massiah instead of a maxed rosa because of rng bullshit 🤣

[uncut mica]

my Rilmocha is something like 2700 attack 305 CD 85% CC

[surreal bobcat]

massiah can be used and has been used to clear all 3

[left snow]

gotcha, guess i will have to build more codex and manual for now

[uncut mica]

190 something speed

[upbeat breach]

5/5 massiah or normal massiah, because that is a big difference

[royal otter]

Yeah got lily early and got messiah on day 14. So prob gonna reset rilmocha for him. Thanks

[ornate moth]

auto doki is so frustrating cause I can never reach 90%+ success, there is just too high a chance mobs stun or focus & kill xiada and ruin it

[left snow]

fury + momentum or ?

doesnt matter ?

[ornate moth]

u sure on terror? I haven't seen any massiah inferno terror clears

[surreal bobcat]

terror one was 1/5

[upbeat breach]

80 is already really really good, it is a 2.5% loss

[left snow]

isnt the terror mass clear more of mia clear ?

since you can replace mass with literally anybody else

[upbeat breach]

O really? So yeah, he can be used

[left snow]

or do you mean a different mass clear

[ornate moth]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-watching-binoculars-looking-gif-15052848

[left snow]

oh thats a new team i havent seen before

[ornate moth]

I can't see shit in the pic but I'll trust u

[surreal bobcat]

mass, dorothy, cachi, chiaki and lilly

[ornate moth]

ah ok

seeing ppl used maxed dorothy is kinda cool lol

[surreal bobcat]

mass is 5/5/5 but 1 dupe. I doubt you need the 5/5/5, mainly just the 1-1-5

the massiah aurora is on eu, i forgot what they used

[ornate moth]

I think u would prob need 1/5/5 at least

[left snow]

i mean instead of that team, mia team looks better to me tbh

you also need 0 lattice for that team

[ornate moth]

there's massiah aurora ones rn on global

[left snow]

0 dupe

mass can clear all 3 infernoes around 5 minute mark

[ornate moth]

yeah was about to post same one, 0 dupe 4/1/5 massiah

[left snow]

at 0 dupe

[surreal bobcat]

ive never skilled his s2

[ornate moth]

idk I'm not a massiah player so could be wrong but heard the s2 is important for single target dps

[upbeat breach]

that is aurora?

[left snow]

yes

[upbeat breach]

lily op wtf

[carmine palm]

yea it's % based, like most things that are good

[ornate moth]

hmm only thing is he's on a 3 matrix revelation which u can only get with shadow sania pretty much

with 6 furyedge

but maybe not necessary

[left snow]

there are other mass clears but yeah

[surreal bobcat]

i used him alot in beta and regrettably rage pulled for him. I was the first to clear Doki Inferno with Mass on EU, so at least there is that.

[ornate moth]

yeah but all the ones that don't have furyedge are 5/5 dupe haha

[left snow]

you are right lol

[surreal bobcat]

but s2 on mass, is a trap. I'll stand by that

[ornate moth]

oh u would def know better than me then LOL

good to know

I pulled him like 2 days ago after already 8 lattices in xiada lol

[surreal bobcat]

i swapped to xiada

[upbeat breach]

even considering the stats?

[surreal bobcat]

her damage is undeniable

[left snow]

isnt mass win rate on auto kinda sus ?

for doki

[carmine palm]

I swapped Mass into Rosa but debated heavily Xiada. Will probably regret soon enough lol

[true trench]

you need s2 if you dont have lily. yes people like that exist 😭

[ornate moth]

I would describe my xiada doki winrate on auto as sus rn too lol

I do know of ppl with very high consistency tho

[left snow]

yeah somebody in my union has around 90% wr

[upbeat breach]

I have Rosa built and Doki with her is not fun at all

[left snow]

sometimes he doesnt lose after doing 10

[ornate moth]

I think if I figure out better speed tune and max s1 and s2 kaz skills winrate will go up

[surreal bobcat]

if you have the lattice to burn sure but s1 vulnerable is just a nice QoL considering he will be spamming that more in auto rotations on tankier enemies

[left snow]

i have been thinking of resetting my mocha for xiada

for the last few days

[carmine palm]

mocha is way less flexible

[upbeat breach]

Problem with Rosa in inferno is that it is a pain to proc that debuff that let you follow up on crit

[surreal bobcat]

they are all comparable, damage wise i would say its rilmo, xiada then mass for inferno doki

[ocean pulsar]

What skill prio for xiada?

[left snow]

feels like mocha gearing requirement is way too high tho, i can't auto with her atm

[surreal bobcat]

i only just fixed mine today, maybe

[upbeat breach]

from what I understood S2->S3->S1

[true trench]

astrial do you have any input on xiada vs massiah on doki without a lily booster?

[brave heath]

xiada > massiah for doki with or without a booster

[true trench]

thinkin about resetting massiah but im afraid xiada will just die way more and tank the winrate

[ocean pulsar]

does she need s3 to max as well to clear inferno?

[brave heath]

but massiah is just overall more useful

[true trench]

even if the run would be faster

[upbeat breach]

They said it is more stable

[left snow]

no

but it will boost your win rate

[surreal bobcat]

pretty sure its just count and s3 maxed? dont think its anything wild

[left snow]

dont you need bunch of codex ?

[ocean pulsar]

Oh okay cause im thinking of not upgrading it since the dmg usually comes from revelation

[left snow]

or mio + kazuyo for double cc team

yeah i only have 1 codex atm

need 2 more lol

[surreal bobcat]

s3, s2. s1 not needed

[warped kestrel]

Just broke the 17k mark, folks.

[brave heath]

xiada s2 > s3

you get way too much off s2 maxing

[ornate moth]

anything u noticed as a game changer?

[scarlet quartz]

surely we get a response soon

[tardy ridge]

Are we back to helper thread

[surreal bobcat]

if you have consistency why change it? massiah is great everywhere but rarely the best anywhere

[ornate moth]

[scarlet quartz]

some content creators are gonna hop on this as well I've gotten confirmation

so at least then a response is coming surely

[ornate moth]

well seanb did address it and is one of the larger CCs, community manager said he watched the seanb vid and talked to sean about it + included his feedback in the feedback sent to devs

[carmine palm]

well it's the weekend there now, so days away most likely

[ocean pulsar]

What are your skill ups for this run? is this max xiada chiaki and kazuyo?

[scarlet quartz]

some intern will cook something on the weekend

im sure

[surreal bobcat]

out of everything i tried, probably the lingluo+freya combo. As damage isnt really an issue with a xiada s3+ rev you do 50% damage anyway on wave 2

[ornate moth]

yeah it seems unlikely they adjust mid 2x weekend but hopefully we at least get some kind of acknowledgement that they're looking into it or whatever. And maybe changes next week

[true trench]

the runs are like 4.5-5min and xia would prolly be 1.5-2min faster? thats it really

[warped kestrel]

Dangerous overdose levels of cope

[turbid ridge]

well they had time for this

[wary fractal]

any news dearest of chatters

[ornate moth]

whats ur shell setup?

[turbid ridge]

not sure if thats good or bad XD

[ornate moth]

no...

[upbeat breach]

wait they actually added stamina packs? for fuck sake

[carmine palm]

ya for the 2x event specifically

[turbid ridge]

seems to be in asia

[wary fractal]

then x2 weekend struggling into quitting the following week it is

https://tenor.com/view/scrubs-all-aboard-choo-choo-train-leaving-gif-5547862

[upbeat breach]

From having no stamina packs, to adding stamina to level packs and now directly selling stamina packs....

[brave heath]

no changes to inferno difficulty shells by the end of 2x weekend = quit

[true trench]

you HAVE to buy them or you will be permanently behind. BUY NOW

[surreal bobcat]

xiada: 1-5-5, lilly: 5-1-1, chiaki (1-1-1), kazuyo (4-1-5).

These test runs i did with chiaki were 50% win rate, it highly depended on IF chiaki gave the buff to xiada but thats expected considering she has 0 investment

[carmine palm]

200 blue prowess boxes also helps with the whole "getting too many purple/yellow tier prowess mats" thing instead of fixing ratios lol

[true trench]

yes

[upbeat breach]

If the 2x is already online in asia they wont change anything about it at all

[turbid ridge]

ups wrong reply

[brave heath]

by the end lil bro

[left snow]

wait is that an auto team ?

[brave heath]

i personalyl dont care if it happens during 2x weekend cuz im prob only doing doki

[turbid ridge]

asia alrdy have 2X or not?

[brave heath]

but if by the time its over tehres nothing about it

[carmine palm]

yes

[brave heath]

then i'm having a massive issue with it

[upbeat breach]

I think they will do an announcement on monday saying that they will go over it in the following days

[ocean pulsar]

So freya is replaceable by chiaki cause i dont have Freya Do you think it'd be a more stable run if chiaki has investment?

[brave heath]

what any of us think doesnt matter lol matters what they DO

[ornate moth]

probably, I saw ppl using chiaki over freya early on with 1/5/5 chiaki

feel like alicorn chiaki could be good for purifying stun too but idk

cachi the guard or lingluo might be better for that purpose

[upbeat breach]

Unless you are from the future you cant know what they will do or not

[surreal bobcat]

my team i was testing today was:

Freya 1-1-1: gigabyte ( full timeweave)
Lingluo 1-1-1: gigabyte
Xiada 1-5-5: revelation
Kazuyo 4-1-5: Halloween
Lilly 5-1-1: Artisan - opener at 288

Had 100% success rate even with some weird Xiada AI (using s1 with rev when s3 was available and some bad sleep rng). I would imagine success rate is closer to 80%

[true trench]

is something wrong with just using valerian? 🤔

[warped kestrel]

Are the ratios bad...? I always find myself converting normals into purples/yellows

[upbeat breach]

halloween+timeweave on kaz or just hall?

[finite palm]

My inferno Niconana team is not consistent, should help a lot if Gachi s3 was maxed I think

[upbeat breach]

because I dont have any halloween at all

[surreal bobcat]

probably, the core doesnt really change much of: Kazuyo, lilly, xiada+ healer. Your last slot is a flex, i was using a 3 star yang earlier instead of freya/chiaki and it was still fine

[left snow]

yo thanks for this

what was your clear time ?

[surreal bobcat]

just halloween, i dont have the gear for full timeweave/speed on kazuyo

[clever tapir]

O.o they added stam packs?

[upbeat breach]

So I guess it should work here

[warped kestrel]

Do you think this could work just as well with Mio instead of Lily?

[ocean pulsar]

Kaz lily xiada and valerian right then flex? cause valerian also gives buff for xiada

[turbid ridge]

cant confirm dont have asia server account but seems to be live in asia

[ocean pulsar]

I dont know if these are new or not

[clever tapir]

cant believe they added stam packs 😭

[ornate moth]

nice tyvm for breakdown. I have Lily 5/5/1 I wonder if it needs different speed tuning cause of her boosting xiada further

[surreal bobcat]

around 3mins, so much slower but safer

[clever tapir]

combat supply pack is new

[unborn kindle]

Anyone used Celince in doki inferno?

[ornate moth]

saw someone earlier who did but with 9 lattices in celince

[tardy ridge]

Thank the heavens they added stamina packs

Idk what we would've done

[turbid ridge]

oh lol man if you buy lettice you never stop 30$ a pop accumulate fast

[unborn kindle]

Not the low investment I was hoping 😔

[surreal bobcat]

uhh, you kinda need lilly here to feed xiada buffs. If you were to use mio, i would use ril or massiah and go way more aggressive

[ornate moth]

1 star clear

[surreal bobcat]

probably not

[tardy ridge]

Ld

[hollow basin]

This build is sweet. What shell are you using?

[ocean pulsar]

Wow after 1k stam i finally got tickets

The rate is actually low

[ornate moth]

I tried celince up til hell, it was rough. Swapped her to kazuyo and instantly jumped 2 difficulty levels lol

[ocean pulsar]

btw xiada team dont work without lily right?

[surreal bobcat]

yeah basically

[ornate moth]

can work without lily just not as fast/smooth

[surreal bobcat]

it can, wave 1 will just get weird if you dont ramp up quick enough for 3 soul flames

[warped kestrel]

Sounds like a 1% drop rate

[ornate moth]

ppl have used dokidoki or tsukiyomi over xiada to clear. Maybe others

[unborn kindle]

Can rilmocha work without kloss in inferno? I have been running lily/Freya/valerian/rilmocha/kazuyo but I don't think it will work anymorem don't have xiada. Or should I try with Rosa?

[wary fractal]

no

[clever tapir]

who said it wouldnt be lol

[ornate moth]

saw a clear with gray over kloss but it was manual battle

[unborn kindle]

damn I am cooked

[wary fractal]

alongside everything kloss does, she adds 3 freaking stacks of dbuffs for rilmocha momentum set

[ocean pulsar]

who do you think is better to invest in? cachi the guard or chiaki for doki inferno? since I only have enough for 1 investment rn

[wary fractal]

ye i did this too, manual is duable

i had mio tho so ur might vary

[surreal bobcat]

for doki specifically i would say chiaki? but overall cachi

[left snow]

cachi feels mandatory for sharon

is there an alternative to him actually ?

[ornate moth]

mia

[left snow]

hm i guess she could work as well yeah

[surreal bobcat]

kazuyo

you can sleep the plants

[ornate moth]

ppl have used her for it. I tried both but preferred cachi, maybe mia is fine with enough invest

[hollow basin]

Did you have to skill up Mio? I just am not ready to dump lattices into her yet :/

[main elm]

Mia but I'd hard lean on Gachi

SR + does a better job + no need skill up for Sharon

[wary fractal]

i did but her skillups werent that relevant for clearing doki, its just % chances, so just restarts till it works

[main elm]

Just codex

[hollow basin]

Who the heck is gachi haha

[left snow]

gachi the gacha player

[main elm]

[hollow basin]

Fair, if it’s just going for first clear that’s a good idea

[left snow]

btw, is the 2x drops having a limit a confirmed or just rumor ?

have seen a lot of people repeating it

[wary fractal]

shes my main for pvp since i got 300speed so shes kinda my main char of acc

[hollow basin]

In game chat people are saying they are checking their alt Asia accounts and it’s Infinite

For whatever that’s worth

[left snow]

oh thats great

thanks !

[main elm]

It's rumor made by those sorry ass ppl that couldn't hold their pp from using all their stamina pots, and they they don't want other players to use them properly coz they fucked up

[wary fractal]

fax

[main elm]

Pathetic

[left snow]

i can believe that LOL

🤣

[ornate moth]

hmm I tried this altho freya on artisan and lily 5/5/1 and it failed horribly 😭

[left snow]

auto right ?

[ocean pulsar]

btw what is your dps set here?

[ornate moth]

xiada

[ornate moth]

yea

[left snow]

hm

maybe just bad rng

did kazuyo miss sleep ?

[ornate moth]

yeah... with 230% eff acc lol

then they focused down kaz immediately wave 2

[left snow]

i mean thats just unluck lol

[main elm]

Doki inferno will still be RNG even if u have the gear required or more

[wary fractal]

i got a full best inferno auto team

[craggy gale]

It’s funny how my P2W account getting gapped by my F2P account just because I got Shadow Sania and Lilly the other day😂best move would be to just chargeback and keep F2P account at this point. Devs and their unbalanced game are silly.

[wary fractal]

ye im chargebacking errything next week, wanna squeeze out a tiny bit more fun

[main elm]

SSania owners are gear gapping us with their DPS units indeed

And shells

[surreal bobcat]

nothing too crazy just yet

[surreal bobcat]

freya if 1-1-1 needs gigabyte to cycle faster the point is to have her keep applying dreamweave, def up etc

[main elm]

Idk why games keep letting through %hp dot damage debuffs into their games, it will always gets cheesy unless u prevent it

[upbeat breach]

sometimes it is even worse when you have better gear

[craggy gale]

My P2W account got ever LD and multiple dupes on each of them but no SSania and just because of that one unit, it’s getting gapped by my F2P account who has half the roster and 2 LD but it’s the LD the devs wants you to have I guess. Game is so balanced! Maybe buff inferno more.

[wary fractal]

buff ionferno to 100000000000hp, they still 20 sec run it

10/10 game

and the game, with that aside, is genuine 11/10

[main elm]

Yeah, it got worse for me when my lingluo and Valeri got huge gear upgrade for some reason

[wary fractal]

so just some random idiot, a tiny part of the whole team, ripped the game

[ornate moth]

I hate doki inferno tbh theres so much rng

I want consistency

[wary fractal]

u get consistently 80% clears

[main elm]

It was 5 loss 5 wins on auto
After gear upgrade it went to 2-3 win 7-8 loss
Like bruh

[ornate moth]

I don't

[wary fractal]

xD

[ornate moth]

I had 70% ish at one point now it's dropped lower after gear upgrades and idk why

[carmine palm]

30% of the time, it works every time

[upbeat breach]

Yep, it will screw something on the rotation and just make life miserable

[craggy gale]

I have experienced both side with Lily and SSania and an account whiteout SSania and if theres anyone who doesn’t see the issue then they either haven’t hit Inferno wall or has both duo and trying to gate keep by saying “oh but the content shouldn’t be cleared on second week”. Yeah they gatekeeping hard so they can keep having the advantage. Selfish greedy piece of shi.

[main elm]

Wave 1 getting killed faster, it makes wave 2 1st turn mega deadly coz CDs need 1 more turn

[upbeat breach]

Yep, kaz will have full CD and screw the whole thing

[main elm]

The main issue are the SSania owners who doesn't want to admit there is something wrong, just because they will progress faster than most, big win for them

[upbeat breach]

Same can be said for lily

[ornate moth]

not really

[craggy gale]

Yep! They’re the biggest piece oh shi. They know there’s an issue but since it’s not their problem and they have advantage in a PvP game, ofc they will be against others without it.

[main elm]

No really, lily is even worse

[upbeat breach]

I am having a worse experience than everyone in my guild with lily, cant even be compared

[main elm]

If u don't have lily just delete ur account and buy one with her

[upbeat breach]

They hit every single treshhold in the game with a lot lower investment

[ornate moth]

I have lily, no ssania. Guy in another disc I'm in has ssania, no lily. He has a huge gear advantage on me

[craggy gale]

That’s why I said the Duo unit

[main elm]

Or PvE will be unprogressive

[ornate moth]

because I can only farm doki

[upbeat breach]

If you have lily you can do every single content in the game

[wary fractal]

If u dont have Lily, just delete the account. If you have Lily but no Sania, enjoy wile it lasts a short while then slowly accept and move on from the game..

[upbeat breach]

Lily should have been nerfed a lonf time ago

[craggy gale]

Seems you haven’t hit inferno

[upbeat breach]

I did dude, a long time ago

There are workarounds with lily

[ornate moth]

you have ssania though. Have you tried lily + no ssania?

[craggy gale]

So you’re clearing all inferno? Without ShadowSania?

[main elm]

I can safetly + consistently auto 2 inferno without SSania
Sharon and Niconana

Doki, nope
Aurora... Too long

[upbeat breach]

how I will try lily if I cant pull that cancer unit?

[upbeat breach]

Can also do rengo without sania, so it is just hoyan

[ornate moth]

I am experiencing the game with lily and no shadow sania and saying she does not unlock everything for you.
You have never experienced it but are telling me I'm wrong, lily unlocks everything

[upbeat breach]

because she makes your life a lot easier? lol

[ornate moth]

why give your take on how the game is with lily and no ssania when u never have played the game with that setup and don't know how it is

[upbeat breach]

Just because I dont have a lily in my acc doesnt mean I havent played with one

I know what I am missing

[ornate moth]

lily makes life easier yes. She does not "unlock content for you" like shadow sania does

[upbeat breach]

TO the point that I wish I never recharged during beta

[craggy gale]

I think devs ramped it up to make money. If people clear with F2P units then it wouldn’t incentivize spending as much for dolphins and small spenders. Whales don’t matter because they’ll spend either way. It corporate greed.

[upbeat breach]

She does, the amount of spike damage that she is providing is crazy

[main elm]

U don't understand how effective to safetly farm terror on auto in less than 1min

It will make ur DPS and Healers gear gap everything to the point where everything else becomes on farm mode

[upbeat breach]

She can even be used in aurora for a loot of healing with linglou

[ornate moth]

they kinda screwed up if that was the goal cause mega whales can't even clear inferno hoyan if they dont use shadow sania

[wary fractal]

day 934

[ornate moth]

ur literally describing the shadow sania advantage, wut

[main elm]

Yes

[frozen stone]

Such diversity look at the different positions of lily and shadow Saina

[carmine palm]

yea but 8/10 whales probably have shadow sania, 1/10 are probably still spending trying to pull her, 1/10 left. still come out ahead

[ornate moth]

yeah I'm saying shadow sania gives u a huge gear advantage. Lily is great but doesn't do that

because she doesn't do broken HP% dot damage lol

she is just overtuned for general power level

[upbeat breach]

They need to nerf inferno just as much as they need to nerf Lily's S1

[craggy gale]

But mega whales has all unit for sure. Would be rare if they didn’t. Dolphins I see not having one of the unit. But that’s why they haven’t made changes or communicated with the community. This was something they planned. Or if they didn’t, they capitalizing on it.

[frozen stone]

What do they use shadow Saina without lily

[mental mural]

Day 969 is the day to end suffering they told me
Now we just pray and wait

[main elm]

Niconana isn't that bad I have 90% winrate on less than 2 mins runs without SSania

[upbeat breach]

How it doesnt when it let you clear content with half the gear?

[clever tapir]

What happened to c

[ornate moth]

there's ssania teams with no lily for clearing terror/nico/hoyan I've posted numerous times

[craggy gale]

The Etheria experience

[mental mural]

The community manager?

[clever tapir]

ye

[ornate moth]

ur literally describing shadow sania, not lily

[frozen stone]

But it’s not as consistent

[mental mural]

Last I saw him was Wednesday in a heated discussion in this channel

[carmine palm]

CMs been on lockdown since day before yesterday

[upbeat breach]

When you only need to build a single DPS to do content it is cutting the gear requirement by half

[mental mural]

Cm?

[boreal sentinel]

C already forwarded the feedback to the devs so it’s in their hands

[carmine palm]

community manager

[ornate moth]

it's more consistent than anything non-shadow sania users have lmao. And I have seen pics of continuous battle 8 wins 0 loss with no lily, shadow sania team

[ornate moth]

again ur describing shadow sania holy shit

[upbeat breach]

Nope....

lily is used in every single team and dungeon in the game

[calm fulcrum]

While they're at it, might as well try to balance the nightmare and hell difficulties in threshold lmao

[mental mural]

Agreed

[arctic plover]

it just needs to go back to the beta level imo

[upbeat breach]

it doesnt....

[arctic plover]

let's pretend it's a bug as the buff wasn't in the patchnotes

[upbeat breach]

need in the middle

[ornate moth]

I don't have the energy to go over this for the 50th time my god u are being so dense

[main elm]

Sir we are in Alpha, beta was more than 2 weeks ago

[mental mural]

Describe it

[ornate moth]

there goes the shadow sania player saying inferno shouldn't be nerfed too much only a tiny bit lol

[clever tapir]

While they are at it they shoulda remove the stam packs cuz thats just showing thry greedy when the 2x event was a compensation

[upbeat breach]

That is because you played the game with a lily, this is why you have no idea how bad it is to play without lily

[upbeat breach]

10-15% nerf

[mental mural]

Not enough

[upbeat breach]

It is already enough

[arctic plover]

if you are forced to eat nails the whole week I don't think eating them on mondays and fridays is a good solution.

I prefer the nail-free diet personally

[mental mural]

It clearly isnt

[ornate moth]

I played beta without her dude. YOU are playing with shadow sania and claiming the inferno balance is fine

[upbeat breach]

Nico would lose 30 speed and that alone would make the fight so much easier

[main elm]

Sucks to not have money for such stuff

Let the ones with money get it

[upbeat breach]

I never said inferno balance is fine

[clever tapir]

Wdym, i have 300 vouchers still

Its judt the packs arent worth shit

[main elm]

[ocean pulsar]

brother you can actually clear pre inferno with just diting and almost 98% of the players have diting meanwhile lily alone cant clear inferno and every day there are people clearing inferno without ssania

[main elm]

Don't buy it

[mental mural]

You were a whale?

[main elm]

If it's aren't worth shit

[ornate moth]

ok my bad, u want a 10%-15% nerf only and u think it's fine for ssania to clear in 1 minute with all 5 star units, while everyone else needs to wait 2 weeks to come up with a 7 minute manual clear strategy and they are entitled if they want to farm endgame gear immediately like the shadow sania users

[main elm]

Easy

[carmine palm]

Anyone else farming free exp in ember trek and lowkey hoping you get banned so you can just put this mess behind you?

[clever tapir]

Im only getting the lattice abd gem one

[upbeat breach]

It is a 10-15% nerf to every single stat, that is already a shitload of nerf

[ocean pulsar]

i meant lily

[upbeat breach]

Rosa's teams would clap vs nico with this kind of nerf

[royal otter]

Who are you using?

[upbeat breach]

Just because you dont want to farm codex to run inferno doesnt mean that 10-15% is not enough

[ornate moth]

funny how I clearly describe the type of investment needed for non-ssania teams to clear inferno and specify the time & manual clears and u just ignore that and put words in my mouth for what my issue is with it

I can't get through to u idk this is a waste of time it's like talking to a brick wall

[arctic plover]

he is just having issues with reading comprehension

[ocean pulsar]

So I still think having ssania right now is better compared to lily because people are using obol or ashu to compensate the dot without the lily assist

[arctic plover]

what dot does to people

hp% damage to your own brain

don't do dots kids

[main elm]

What

[upbeat breach]

So fucking what? The investment changes a lot depending on what you pulled. Get used to it.

[ornate moth]

yeah. In a few months lily will be nicer to have but rn without ssania why even play

[ornate moth]

there it is lol

[arctic plover]

lily is a lot stronger in pvp so you can make an argument for her that way

[upbeat breach]

I had to deal with everyone lapping me because I had no access to lily cheesing every single content in the game

[ornate moth]

"I got shadow sania and I want to keep my gear advantage, screw everyone else"

[arctic plover]

but sania has a global passive of giving your entire roster 22 speed

[main elm]

PvP anyone faster is stronger, PvP atm is obsolete

[arctic plover]

which is a bigger problem right now

[main elm]

U get beaten by blue units

Coz they faster

[ocean pulsar]

Yes but having gear advantage to clear inferno right now with ssania is better compared to lily

[royal otter]

Just asking whats your team for niconana without Ssania. Looking for options to build

[main elm]

Lily means shit if u are outsped

[ornate moth]

yeah a unit being good in pvp isn't even that relevant rn when pvp competition is determined by who has ssania to get triple matrix shells and swiftraid lol

[main elm]

Rosa, Lily, Lingluo, Mio
Mio can be subbed for marvel

[royal otter]

I see thanks

[ornate moth]

so basically u want revenge now that you have a unit that gives you an advantage? I don't think the game should be balanced off of that kind of mentality

[upbeat breach]

But somehow it can only be done with sania lol

[upbeat breach]

If I wanted revenge I wouldnt ask for inferno nerf, what are you even talking about?

I am saying that there will always be advantages based on pulls

[main elm]

Well yes, SSania will make me not need to use my 300 speed Max skilled Mio

[tardy ridge]

Just give up buddu

[main elm]

Ur right

[ornate moth]

u consistently downplay the ssania advantage because u have her and want to retain the advantage

[ornate moth]

true lol this is pointless I'm gonna go cook food

[upbeat breach]

I am not, I am saying to nerf everything. I just said it doesnt need to go back to beta levels and that there are a lot of cancerous units that need to be nerfed

[main elm]

Cook the CMs in here aswell, add some flavor

[upbeat breach]

You still need to run the 300 speed turn controller if you dont have lily lol

[main elm]

Whole week and they don't realize inferno is overtuned, said by 3000$ spent whale like me even

[tardy ridge]

I mention 38 days of passive stam regen post 50 being unable to clear the stages and get "why no refresh?" Response

[main elm]

Nah without lily still doable, I just need 400 speed Mio

[upbeat breach]

I meant without lily but with Mio+sania

[main elm]

SSania alone will still kill Niconana faster than Lily+Rosa combined

[ocean pulsar]

I think tsukiyo mi is a budget lily

[upbeat breach]

the thing about lily is the follow up atack, not exactly the boost

[main elm]

Mio give speed boost to team, so she is redundant with lily

In that aspect

[upbeat breach]

I am running sania+obol and if my Mio didnt have enough speed to lap boss I would get destroyed there

So I am running the exact same Mio as you

[main elm]

I get smacked by him for more than 1 min, I just a healer to do it's job

SSania kill bosses so fast u don't need healers, that's the thought of using healer is alien to SSania users

[upbeat breach]

Yes, I am running Rosa instead of healer, but if I miss a CC I die and that is it

also running 3 maxed codex

[main elm]

Yeah, that's not possible for any inferno stage without SSania, it's possible coz the %hp damage is retarded, kill bosses so fast that u just need to speed run it with dots and survive 1 hit or 2

[opaque flume]

coming from gachas where dots actually scale off user atk, this hp% based dot is a crazy idea to me

[main elm]

It exists in epic seven, but they made all the meaningful boss immune to it

Coz it's cheesy and stupid

To even exist

[opaque flume]

seems like it's mainly a thing in these types of games then

in games like hsr and nikke, dots are barely any diff from other dmg, usually they can't crit or something

[upbeat breach]

no need for dots when you can just one shot farming stages in e7

[graceful juniper]

You think %hp is stupid because the boss have stupid amount of hp in the first place....lower it down then those non-%hp dps will look better while it doesnt buff the %hp dotters

[main elm]

Yeah good luck doing that in the 1st 3 months in the game lmao

[upbeat breach]

With how they buffed up starter accounts? it is not that hard at all

[main elm]

Of course they'll buff starter accounts for farming stages, game is 6+ years old duh

And still not enough coz gear gapping is huge

[upbeat breach]

E7 is a lot more toxic unit wise with all the limited banners

[cold glen]

This game gives Lian for free which is a S+ dps unit that can dps terrormaton y'all just complain too much. I already cleared nightmare 1 with her!!!

[warped kestrel]

in SW DoT is also a viable strategy as HP% damage for many bosses, but it's not the preferred strategy because at the end of the day, it's RNG (15% fixed chance to miss) and pure DPS isn't. Then again, those games have sensibly designed bosses that can be DPSed down in 30s~1min with traditional DPS characters.

[main elm]

Toxic or not, game isn't toxic to players on simple farming stages

U only need low rarity unit to consistently farm hardest farming stages

With starter gear

[tardy ridge]

for good reason it has no gameplay outside of pve

[warped kestrel]

The 10% chance to miss a dot here is insignificant comparatively to the insane difficulty of clawing through the quadrillions of HP with traditional DPS

[warped kestrel]

this while being mindful of almost everything having some sort of ramp-up mechanic that makes it so you have to end the fight in 3 turns or you insta-lose

[upbeat breach]

ramp up mechanic is just horrible

[graceful juniper]

Indeed its horrible

[main elm]

The only reason this thread exists coz this is a competitive PVP game, get ur trash PvE games outta this

[tardy ridge]

boss goes 1 time and ramps up dmg

who designed this

[graceful juniper]

Idk what they though putting ramp up mechanic on every single boss

[main elm]

Yeah imagine running stall teams to farm PvE stages

Fuckin brilliant

[carmine palm]

if the rampup could be dispelled or stolen, that'd at least make it interesting mechanically

[main elm]

10 entries will take 2 work days

Run tanks and healers and slowly kill boss

The devs care about us so they prevented us from using that method

Coz it'll take 2 working days to finish 100 stamina

[graceful juniper]

Stop exaggerating

[upbeat breach]

To be honest I did that in some of the stupid echoes fights

20min afk with 5 supports to kill it

[main elm]

I'd run stall teams in completion stages

Farm ? Fuck no

[upbeat breach]

What do you mean you dont want to farm 10 stages per hour

[warped kestrel]

This made Xiada pretty fun in Doki when she could steal the middle boss' overpowered buff

[main elm]

10 stages per business day

[gilded mirage]

Did the lattice pack have stam too?

[upbeat breach]

gold is usually the last item in the pack

[gilded mirage]

Buying all but the lattice I guess. I'll have to think about that one lol

[tribal osprey]

Dang. You used all your pots because you thought there was no 2x? Dw we got you bro

[mental mural]

Is there any point in having crit damage in diting?

[arctic plover]

yes?

more damage is more damage, there is no critdamage cap if that's what you are trying to ask

[warped kestrel]

Really? I've been hearing all over that there's a 350% CD cap, did you test and there isn't?

[mental mural]

What's the point if his crit rate is converted into crit damage?

[arctic plover]

while I did not test it, some of the brawl units (remember, the bettign event) had 400% cdam, I would imagine they wouldn't be?

I guess I will try to once I finish building diting tomorrow

[mental mural]

How do you even get 400% crit damage?

[thick arch]

hax

[torpid willow]

Where are the Discord mods who are supposed to be in contact with the designers? They've disappeared for a couple of days now and we're still not getting any answers

[arctic plover]

I am genuinely confused by your reasoning.

more damage is more damage.
200% cdamage is less damage than 250% cdamage and that's less damage than 300% cdamage

just because you got some cdamage free from conversion doesn't mean you should stop.

If I give you 200 dollars doesn't mean you should stop going to work, right?

[thick arch]

"It's being monitored"

as they post about tsuki

and making alliance a joke

[arctic plover]

I think they did their job, sent the feedback.

but what could have happened is XD told them no changes and we should f off.

[mental mural]

Instead of yapping describe excess crit rate

[mental mural]

???

[warped kestrel]

I know in E7 they show that it's limited to 350% by making it red and keeping it at 350%, but with the amount of spaghetti code and weird things here, I wouldn't be surprised if it's an internal cap with no visible indicators

[arctic plover]

? Like I genuinely don't get it.

Say your diting has 100 critrate 200 critdamage.

If you give him 20 more critrate he now gets it converted to critdamage and has 100 critrate 230 critdamage.

if you give him 30 more critdamage he now has 100 critrate 260 critdamage.

More damage is more damage so build atk and critdamage.

unless critdamage is capped of course, we can test whether it is, but I wouldn't expect it to be

[torpid willow]

Supposedly, they were waiting for everyone to reach level 50 and for a thousand viable comps for Inferno to be unlocked (a utopia we all knew was unrealistic). Nothing has changed, and now they've vanished without any response — it all seems pretty suspicious

[thick arch]

GvG buff changed after the deployment phase was over

[mental mural]

Where does the excess start?

[arctic plover]

at 100

[mental mural]

Ok 👍

[arctic plover]

after 100 critrate excess gets converted to critdamage

[warped kestrel]

Diting also gives 60% CR against his target, so it's easy to reach 400%+ CD with him, assuming that CD is not capped at 350%, which I've heard everyone say it is

[thick arch]

he gets 60% on marked target

though it needs white fang instead of reva to proc mark

unless there no mobs

[mental mural]

That's really all I needed
Thx

[arctic plover]

Oh I think I got it.

I think you should have written "when" instead of "if".

You have asked a very different question.

"What's the point when his crit rate starts being converted into crit damage?"

your question was very different, you have asked if there is any point in building critdamage

[thick arch]

usually it just ends up someone resetting diting ult with lily or beyontin

[warped kestrel]

What does this mean? You proc the mark the moment you attack the marked target, no?

[thick arch]

yes I mean on sub dps

[warped kestrel]

Oh yeah, I have my gray on white fang because otherwise the mark ends up on some random thing

[arctic plover]

I am a black moon enjoyer

[ornate moth]

I’ve heard this too but it seems really low especially if that’s including stuff like diting excess crit rate conversion, xiada s2 crit dmg per stack, crit dmg buff from beyontin/lily etc.

[arctic plover]

doesn't work in terror though (it marks the hand) 😦

[ornate moth]

[thick arch]

Nah they releasing new light char when everyone at 50. It gonna do 10s runs fr

[arctic plover]

well not on gray

[ornate moth]

I haven’t found a good use for that shell

[arctic plover]

but as a marking tool for dinah/kloss

[ornate moth]

terror would be the most useful spot and it doesn’t work there lol

[ornate moth]

maybe I just like halloween more

[thick arch]

that's 90 cdmg...

[ornate moth]

altho I guess that is RNG and can proc on the less ideal skill

[mental mural]

I was just checking to see if I should have my last module be crit rate or crit damage

Thx

[arctic plover]

either works, they both provide the same damage. Use one with better subrolls.

both give 60 critdamage

[thick arch]

I think most people do 2 cdmg 1 atk or 3 cdmg

[arctic plover]

sometimes atk% is optimal btw

[warped kestrel]

I've been using 1 ATK% right side module because of the belief that it's capped at 350%

[mental mural]

I'm already using 12 onslaught

[thick arch]

I do it cause of cdmg inflation/diminished return

[arctic plover]

yeah, atk% is unlikely to be optimal with onslaught

[warped kestrel]

This too, at some point ATK will become better than CD, but I just don't know at what point

[mental mural]

I'm using onslaught crit rate crit damage

[arctic plover]

you divide your grean atk by your white attack and multiply by 4/3.

If that's higher than your (critdamage - 100) then critdamage/crate is optimal, if not then atk%

[mental mural]

The way my diting is looking there's not much improvements to be made

Other than dupes

[warped kestrel]

Diting users:

LilySsania users:

Who gets better results though

[thick arch]

wrong. It should be mustard gas

[mental mural]

Success

[ocean pulsar]

Does anyone know if onslaught is the best for xiada since revelation caps the dmg from the atk?

[arctic plover]

if you run kloss momentum is still better

[ocean pulsar]

xiada dont need kloss right since she got def break herself?

[arctic plover]

xiada def break isn't going to land consistently

she doesn't need to, and if you don't bring kloss you would run onslaught

as her own damage gets lower

[thick arch]

Dinah looks cooler

[warped kestrel]

Fire in water dungeon sounds like a bad time

Especially since you need like 250% effacc on inferno

[thick arch]

ucxCryingKidOwO

viper

ez atk down

and d cachi for def buff

lingluo heal

the true f2p team

[arctic plover]

you are cooking so much the team is going to get pinned

[thick arch]

it has to get nerfed first so they don't get one shot

with 4 artisan and def buffs

when is tank slot going to be a thing

my diting don't like getting hit in terrormaton

[ornate moth]

I haven't tried comparing sets cause I don't have the right keen/momentum pieces rly but I swapped from Crit rate/Atk/Crit dmg to crit rate/cdmg/cdmg on xiada and doki inferno clears/damage seemed to get worse. The atk and crit dmg pieces were like exactly the same in terms of speed and substat value too

[ornate moth]

someone in a diff discord said viper was working well for him in doki inferno with xiada lol

[thick arch]

https://tenor.com/view/doc-ock-otto-octavius-samraimi-spider-man-spiderman-gif-7926970855429144984

Devs after beta

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-octopus-doc-ock-spider-man-spider-man-spiderman-gif-1328218980031935334

[ornate moth]

I think u may have saved me lol. I made some speed tune changes and put freya on gigabyte, 7-1 and the only one I failed xiada literally got stunned 3 turns in a row lol

but basically all other runs freya got up s2 or kaz slept for wave 2. Def saving all the module loadouts lol

[ocean pulsar]

So would you say onslaught or atk% is better?

[ornate moth]

well it's anecdotal & I haven't done extensive testing, just that switching from pic 1 stats to pic 2 stats seemed to make my damage worse

I think ideal might be crate/cdmg/atk with 12 keen 8 fury but not too sure

cause my keeneye pieces suck lol

[arctic plover]

I don't think keeneye is any good on her

[tribal osprey]

With messiah I think keen eye would be better but for xiada probably onslaught to get revelation damage up

[ornate moth]

yeah maybe ig keen might reduce revelation procs too much since they're same amount each hit for 4 hits

[arctic plover]

keen doesn't affect rev damage

[ornate moth]

oh rly

[ocean pulsar]

So onslaught really is the best for her then? cause of the dmg cap from revelation is based on atk

[ornate moth]

damn maybe I don't need to change my xiada gear then lol

[ornate moth]

could be. If u look at prydwen's calcs, momentum is significantly ahead but only at max or close to max debuffs. 115% from onslaught vs 119% keen or 121% for 3 debuff momentum is pretty close even before considering how much onslaught boosts rev procs

[ocean pulsar]

You cant also consistently get debuffs from a xiada comp so she wont benefit from momentum so having more atk is better overtime

[arctic plover]

if your team doesn't have kloss in it momentum is a grief tbh

[glass ruin]

is there no replacement for kloss

[tribal osprey]

Usually grey is but he would only apply 1 debuff for momentum

[sacred mirage]

do we have a massiah team for niconana yet?

[glass ruin]

pure torture without kloss

manual 4 minutes is not fun

[ornate moth]

yeah I don't run kloss with xiada currently

[ornate moth]

there was this one, idk if there's a better strat since then

[sacred mirage]

thanks!

[ornate moth]

4 min clear with 23 perfect lattices on the team seems kinda rough lol

[gilded mirage]

Yeah if I had Kloss I'd still be running RIl team tbh lol

[sacred mirage]

my lily is 5/5/5 and massi 4/5/5 so hopefully i can skip out a bit on the lingluo and just build viper. we can hope

[devout geyser]

Can someone tell the devs that there's a "critical bug" and the bosses in inferno are 2.5x stronger than in beta so something actually gets done? Maybe we just aren't using the right keywords here.

[glass ruin]

is anyone using gray in inferno doki?

[tribal osprey]

Only a critical bug if it helps the players

[tribal osprey]

I’m sure you can. Just the people running it rn already built kloss and are gonna use her

[crude sparrow]

I see lily

[glass ruin]

hmm maybe i should try and 6* then refund if not good enough

[crude sparrow]

so can´t complain bro

[glass ruin]

yea i guess

[tribal osprey]

Welp 8 gold cubes. Do I build back Rosa or go for mio/tsukiyo mi

[glass ruin]

mio s3 max is kinda nice

im also thinking whether to invest in rosa s3 for doki

[flat kayak]

ya dood the inferno loot is so crazyyy

[brave heath]

every1 knows its gonna still be ass but its only way you can get the triple matrix

😐

[ocean pulsar]

This is one of the reason why i chose kloss in selected banner then built xiada for my doki team and aurora

[glass ruin]

i think i didnt have a dps

so i picked rosa

before i realised rilmocha was a thing

[brave heath]

i wonder if they made kloss an ld and you couldnt take her from targetted banner

how much people would be mad

cuz it would basically be a 2nd lily lol

[glass ruin]

very

btw, is celince good in doki

or is it just another mio/kazuyo?

[ocean pulsar]

Either way people will still complain you cant really please everyone

[brave heath]

ye just think it'd be funny if you had to actually natty pull kloss like a lily

would be the lily gap threads and the ssania gap threads but then accompanied by the kloss gap threads

[gilded mirage]

I want to complain about no Kloss, thanks

I do wish they rerun stuff lol

[brave heath]

cant complain about kloss cuz its self inflicted

😎

[gilded mirage]

Should have chosen her for Selector, now I have no Rengoku team

Unless I want to use that one crazy Hoyan strat with Freya but even that one is better with Kloss

[brave heath]

any complaints about not having units aside from kloss is acceptable.

however any complaints about not having kloss is unacceptable

[glass ruin]

do people use viper or vice more

or do they serve different purposes

[gilded mirage]

Speed down + Def down + damage amp + reduce damage dealt. Kloss go crazy

[ornate moth]

eh

I think she's good with lattices

at base, kinda underwhelming cause her base chance to land CC is rly low and u want a ton of effect accuracy but also HP for her reflect shield + speed

I tried to use her over kaz for main doki CC for a while but when I switched to kaz I was able to clear 2 difficulties higher

[glass ruin]

i see, shall not build her for now then

[main elm]

Kaz outclass her, waste of a unit

wait for a content where u really need a passive seal

[glass ruin]

is anyone having success with heinrich in aurora btw

i feel like hes so squishy

[glass ruin]

ya kazuyo is so good

[main elm]

Hein is trash, use Viper

[glass ruin]

yeah was thinking of building a viper too

s3 max is enough?

[crude sparrow]

the funny thing is that before release he was overhyped

[main elm]

yeah, worst marketed unit

[main elm]

depends on what content really

[crude sparrow]

I even rerolled for that mf

no lily

[main elm]

idk how hein is an LD SSR

dude kit is ass imo

[crude sparrow]

he´s good in pvp

very good imo

[main elm]

not atm

maybe he is good if pvp turns to buff stacking

right now is he useless in PvP

[crude sparrow]

I mean 2 turn buff block if played well can counter a lot of comps

[main elm]

yeah these combs doesn't exist atm

[crude sparrow]

they will eventually

[main elm]

beta was all tiamat and linglou, not sure he do much against linglou with the constant dispelling

[craggy gale]

Wow…still words from devs is crazy

[main elm]

event is out in Asia, doubt they'll cherry pick global and do anything this event

[tribal osprey]

I remember a thread during beta where someone was complaining about Heinrich being the only must pull ld

[tribal osprey]

Dw they gave new packs with stamina pots instead

[glass ruin]

yea i feel like refunding my 6* heinrich

does anyone know if any perfect lattices come after this?

[mental mural]

Why does this boss always aim for helkid?

Is he gay?

[mental mural]

I'm still stuck on animus fate 2 lololololol

[crude sparrow]

as expected

[gilded mirage]

Shadowflame Hoyan basically

[gilded mirage]

The problem is they gave Aurora a cleanser

If Block also blocked cleanse, you'd see Heinrich back up there

[pure junco]

Guess I should finally face Sharon

[gilded mirage]

Goodluck, it's pain unless 5/5 Diting

Well, even then, it's pain

[pure junco]

Someone tell Sharon to surrender

[mental mural]

Fungus
Obol
Lily
Valerian/Celine might clear shadow flame Hogan

[mental mural]

Not if he's the fastest

Just dot it like me

[main elm]

fastest as 1 of the slowest openers

he loses the speed competition, can only be drafted against snails

even if he go 1st, what's he gonna do against speed/control team ?

few debuffs while other team bombard u with CC and CR fukery lol

[mental mural]

Have bullwalk

[main elm]

if u come to point where u bulwark whole team just go stall team like beta, that's how every top arena team is Tiamat linglou + friends

[pure junco]

You know what would be nice? If we could filter characters by abilities and traits, that way you could build teams faster, plan your investments and manage resources better

[valid zephyr]

You get one on the last stage iirc

[carmine palm]

yep last stage. red shadowprint on the one before

[mental mural]

Bro I already did all that but im stuck on Fate 2

[little elbow]

Lowest HP maybe, he targets them

[ornate moth]

wow all skills of an SSR to max

[charred minnow]

huh I just noticed that too, but I didn't do that lmao

none of my SSRs are 5/5/5

[ornate moth]

I guess I can do xiada 5/5/5 I was already somewhat working on it just not much of a prio

[surreal bobcat]

you dont need to 5/5/5 to get that

[ornate moth]

level up all skills of an SSR animus to max? why not xiada, I already have 2/5/5

not a high prio just eventually for hyperlink

[surreal bobcat]

none of my ssr's are 5-5-5 and i have completed it

[pure junco]

🫡 My new goal is leveling Xiada during the 2x event

[harsh zephyr]

12/8 momentum fury or 12/12 momentum onslaught on rilmocha?

[upbeat breach]

I think it is fury, but I am not sure if you need to hit a certain threshold for it

[arctic plover]

Assuming modules have the equal substats equip your fury set, then divide your green attack by your white attack on rilmocha.

If the result is larger than 1.92 fury is better, if it's less then onslaught is better.

Alternatively equip your onslaught set and evaluate
atk*critdamage

then equip your fury set and evaluate
atk*critdamage*1.12

pick the one with higher number

fury will usually be veeery slightly better. Close enough that if one of the two sets has a red module instead of pink it will be prefered

[wary fractal]

day 930

[arctic plover]

hydra crystals o7

[upbeat breach]

rip 2x

[sacred oar]

i feel like prywden tier list is a bait, do u have a more reliant one?

[warped kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnCGwr5_2lU

Some very valid complaints in here.

[minor rover]

is this the official thread for the overall feedback of inferno?

[wary fractal]

meh i dont care about complaints anymore, they fall on deaf ears - ill just rock out the x2 event and quit

[warped kestrel]

This is the containment zone to try and keep complaints on the state of PvE out of #general-chat - to be precise. This thread already served its purpose and the devs are supposedly aware of our complaints in regards to PvE. Now, whether they care is a different thing.

[turbid ridge]

lol whats the point of playing 2X if you quit anyway

[upbeat breach]

This is pure click bait....

[minor rover]

got it, because as a semi big spender, i have crashed out officially today

[minor rover]

i dont know if i shud post my message here or create a new post

[wary fractal]

same as writing it on a tissue and throwing in bin

suit urself

[turbid ridge]

They know about the issues its jsut they dont rly answer

[minor rover]

nah i still gotta get it out somewhere

[warped kestrel]

At this point I doubt anything said here matters at all, so anything else you can do besides typing here will do more than typing here.

[turbid ridge]

best shot is next week patch but for some ppl thats alrdy to late

bc of 2X

[minor rover]

not being heard doesnt mean we shud stop, because smth has to be done

im someone who has cleared 4 inferno stages but its ridiculous how hard it is to farm inferno

[warped kestrel]

I don't worry, because I have conviction on my opinion that PvE is too overtuned for a PvP game, they will be forced to do something once they start bleeding average players, so, this is a problem that will solve itself sooner or later.

[warped kestrel]

Yeah, manualing Inferno stages is still unacceptable, this is an auto gacha game, this isn't a MMORPG.

[minor rover]

exactly, and i know of people who have spent ard $500 like myself still struggling because of 1 missing unit (we all know who) trying to manual an inferno run that averages 30 MINS PER RUN. mind u thats 2 successful runs in 1 HOUR. Like why are we getting punished this bad for playing and paying

[wary fractal]

lily sania acc 20 bucks btw

[minor rover]

thats good, in no way do i blame luck, but comeon, 200% effect accuracy on dot units which averages 2 successful run per hour? simply cos of the lack of lily

[upbeat breach]

what you cant do without lily? I am lost

[wary fractal]

game is cooked, they dont work on weekend too, so rip

[minor rover]

wdym

[upbeat breach]

you are having issues in which stage?

terror?

[minor rover]

yes, i have already cleared inferno terror

but guess what, it takes me 1 hour to get 2 successful runs

[upbeat breach]

Even with fangus in lily's slot?

[minor rover]

can u just imagine sitting on a chair suffering because u do not have a lily?

while having paid 500 dollars

into the game

[upbeat breach]

A friend is doing it with s sania, fangus, holden, valerian and freya

[crude sparrow]

are you using SSania + lily team?

[minor rover]

no lily i already mentioned

[crude sparrow]

but SSania?

[minor rover]

this is the team

its the only

non lily dot that can work

[crude sparrow]

have you tried going with a more tanky aproach?

[upbeat breach]

How are you expecting to farm it well with that team?

[minor rover]

guess what, no lily?

[upbeat breach]

s sania, fangus, holden, valerian and freya = insta farm

[minor rover]

are u dense or

[upbeat breach]

Just because you dont have lily doesnt mean you should try a bad team for it lol

[minor rover]

send the team then

[upbeat breach]

I just did, 2 times

[minor rover]

like where??

[upbeat breach]

Dude I answered your question 2 times by marking it lol

[minor rover]

yea show a pictorial proof?

with the stats?

[upbeat breach]

I wont go over hundreds of image to look for one pic

[minor rover]

nah fam

if u havent cleared it

pls dont say

[upbeat breach]

S sania had s1 maxed, fangus s1 and s2, holden no skill, freya no skill and valerian s3

I am farming the skill ups to do it today

[minor rover]

so u havent done it

[upbeat breach]

Nope, a guild mate did and posted everything on our group

[minor rover]

good lord

[upbeat breach]

because he was also stuck without lily

[minor rover]

if u have not done it, pls do not tell other ppl what to do

[upbeat breach]

Ok, so keep trying with that shit team instead of going for the one that actually works

Keep crying because you burned 500 bucks but cant clear a content

[minor rover]

already cleared

unlike u

[upbeat breach]

🤣

[minor rover]

try that freya team that no one has ever used

i gurantee it does not work

[upbeat breach]

need proof that it works?

[minor rover]

send it

i dont mind being proven wrong

just send the proof

[upbeat breach]

wrong one

[gentle plover]

I saw this one yesterday

Terrormaton Inferno

[minor rover]

okay good

[gentle plover]

but it was a manual run

[minor rover]

all lilyless teams are manual runs

[upbeat breach]

holden with 270+ speed and the rest with around 240/250 to be stable

[frozen stone]

What shills did you use and is there any investments on skills

[pure junco]

Don't say that! You'll be labeled as a complainer/doomposter

[minor rover]

btw point still stands, thrs still rng to dots

even at 200% eff accuracy

[upbeat breach]

everything has rng

[arctic plover]

nah, it's not, it's a normal culture shock for the player who got used to modern games trying etheria -- a game people genuinely compare to 6y older titles

[minor rover]

ofc

no disrespect but when u attempt terror inferno later, you'll get the pain

[upbeat breach]

Yes, because nowaday people are just used to receiving everything with 0 effort

[pure junco]

what do you mean Etheria isn't like my favorite 6 year old titles!?

[upbeat breach]

I know the pain, I am at the same state as you without lily and suffering from the same problems

Sole reason I am farming GP for fangus...

[pure junco]

Farming GP is actually a must atm

[arctic plover]

not all people, just sania players

[minor rover]

then good, we shud still have the game devs do something, i cant spend 12 hrs a day sitting just to farm, we all got real life things to do

[upbeat breach]

Yep, need to farm sooo much

[pure junco]

Get Elon to hire someone to do it for you

[warped kestrel]

If you are suffering, why are you defending the state of PvE in a PvP gacha game whose PvE content is meant to be autoed brainlessly? Are you a sadist-masochist or something?

So bizarre.

[upbeat breach]

I am not defending, I said they need to nerf, just not to beta levels

[pure junco]

Oooooh! Love this chart. We need more statistics for this game

[warped kestrel]

Why not?

Explain why not

[upbeat breach]

Someone posted it, so that you could see exactly what you need to farm to build all the units

[upbeat breach]

Just because this is a pvp game, pve shoudnt be a walk in the park day 1

[warped kestrel]

Explain why this game that has PvE content meant to be autoed brainlessly should have its equipment dungeon not be something that can be autoed in 30 seconds. I don't get it.

[warped kestrel]

It will be a walk in the park on day 100, so why do you want it to be hard on day 1, day 50, or day 99? I don't get it.

[pure junco]

PvP will be walk in the park within a few months

[warped kestrel]

We will eventually all brainlessly auto everything in this game in 30s, so, why does it need to be hard now? What is there to gain from this for you?

[pure junco]

By then you'll have many teams

[warped kestrel]

This is legitimately baffling to me.

[arctic plover]

it won't be a walk in the park on day 100 if the game goes eos on day 70

[upbeat breach]

Why even farm pve at this point instead of giving fully built units to everyone?

[true trench]

Why cant i just trade my stamina for gear straight up? why do i need to go through an useless PVE mode? what is there to gain from this?

[upbeat breach]

Why I can press skip and use 20k gems

[warped kestrel]

They need us to keep logging in for the next 10 years improving our gear so we can keep buying their newest meta-defining PvP character. This is how all these PvP gachas work, man.

[minor rover]

game is good, but they are maximising the create a problem sell a solution, watch them cheekily put the lily and xiada banner next

[warped kestrel]

The difficulty in these games doesn't come from having to manual the equipment dungeon, it comes from all the substat RNG that makes it be like a 0.5% chance that you'll get good substat rolls on a good piece, and getting that good piece is already a 0.5% drop to begin with

[minor rover]

and guess what, after pulling for lily banner our pulls are gone lol

[warped kestrel]

The PvE difficulty* that is.

[arctic plover]

right now they are maximising a create a problem -- don't sell a solution

[warped kestrel]

PvP is always challenging, because you're fighting strategical humans.

That's where the fun is.

[minor rover]

yea right after 2x when max pain has been achieved, watch them drop the solution

[arctic plover]

not if your account owns a global passive that gives you 22 speed on your units

[minor rover]

exactly, i hit top 20 rta and had to give up my entire pvp build just to transition back into pve only to get rekt

[stable dagger]

what's Cachi skill ups priority?

[pure junco]

😅 and lots of games have global passives

[pure junco]

S3

[stable dagger]

just S3? or do i want to max his S2 too?

[pure junco]

Then go for it

Overall, his skill set is pretty good

For me, S3 is the most useful

[stable dagger]

icic thanks

btw just upgrading S3 is already usable on inferno right?

i want to give my extra lattice on Kazuyo

[pure junco]

His skill is one of the skills from the entire character roster that would benefit you during inferno

[stable dagger]

aight aight thanks

[minor rover]

guys that have not farmed inferno terror without lily yet, you guys will feel the pain sooner or later when this happens 99 out of 100 times

and thats the high end of rng

[upbeat breach]

how are the skill ups on everyone?

[minor rover]

all dot required skills maxed except fangus s1 at lvl 3 but guess what? No resources!

[upbeat breach]

Including s1 on obol? Are you running codex on everyone too?

[minor rover]

even with fangus at max s1, obol at 220 % + Shell passive of 40% is so ineffective

[minor rover]

quad codex

[upbeat breach]

o fuck

what is the turn order?

And why are you running tsuki?

[minor rover]

tsuki with codex for double advance

[upbeat breach]

but do you really want double advance with the veronika? because if you move at the wrong time you die

[minor rover]

you are free to use this team to clear, its one of the only 2 not lily dot teams out there

[minor rover]

speed tune

[upbeat breach]

veronika is 270+ and the rest is moving right after boss?

[minor rover]

yes

veronika has to be hit turn 1

so thats alr a 1/5 chance of rng

[upbeat breach]

Cant you just make her at 270 to be faster than boss?

[minor rover]

on top of obol frauding later on with his s3 at 260 eff accuracy

[minor rover]

not sure what the speed threshold is

[upbeat breach]

Problem with obol is that he get a lot less acc from being the wrong element

[minor rover]

but i see veronikas at 145 not outspeeding the boss

[minor rover]

simply no choice aint it fam

thats why all this threads are created

[upbeat breach]

This is why I posted the other team to you..

Just need to max holden and I can test the team here

[minor rover]

i mean the rng hasnt been tested and since its dot and cleared at 1min 40 seconds, it means its a fast clear and not a long battle, so rng is def still a big factor there

not to mention at this stage, no one has any other resources to build any other chracters

[charred minnow]

npc AI is so garbage holy

[surreal bobcat]

it truly is

[pure junco]

The RNG factor IS Etheria

Because they like making you Restart

[charred minnow]

lmao

[surreal bobcat]

3/3, 4/8,5/3,6/2 and now 1/4 so far. Every fail was AI targeting Xiada only, cool fight honestly

[pure junco]

Hey, do you guys believe more Lattices would fix more problems this game has with combat optimization, or should the system be restructured for a PvE environment, considering you're facing AI whose only advantage is immunity, irremovable buffs, turn manipulation, hp scaling and spamming

[charred minnow]

having a well defined ai would do wonders more than anything

[surreal bobcat]

anecdoctal but sometimes adding more lattices creates more problems

[pure junco]

If anything, the battles would feel predetermined

[charred minnow]

that's the whole point of having an auto team

a team that just does what it has to do

the difficulty is getting the stats/correct speed tuning to make the team work

[surreal bobcat]

isnt that the point of auto? rather than the coin flip based approached rn?

[charred minnow]

and I'm not talking about the innate 10% effect res either

that's part of the game

[pure junco]

Unless RNG throws that off. Then you're stuck thinking about comps if character a dies, or if character b can't ult within this turn for character c.

[pure junco]

Yep

[pure junco]

Tell that to the people who aren't paying attention, I have seen res complaints

[surreal bobcat]

right now with how the rng is, you have to optimise for perfect one shots. Else you are gonna get railed

there is always that 50/50 if you miss something that will derail you

[neon hollow]

Are you guys actually getting usable gear in these runs? doing 10x refreshes a day and just perma trolled

[pure junco]

XD this is why I want more conditionals, it'll be more strategic and adds a safety net for casuals

Then again, if you are casual, maybe pvp isn't for you

[minor rover]

Understandable, I get that the AI likes to fk with u but in the case of doki doki, the AI prioritises non hollow units over hollow units, hence why they target Xiada

[pure junco]

And isn't there a rage meter?