inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[upbeat breach]

the bosses are a real pain in the ass

[uncut mica]

they were pretty balanced when you could buff them with gobs of crit damage/crit rate/hp/followup rate etc

and some interesting effects like "When your immunity expires eff res +40% for 1 turn"

[frigid dune]

Less then 24 hours till double event and nothing from the devs. : ]

[charred minnow]

I mean tbf it's 6 AM or something for them no

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[surreal bobcat]

its not gonna happen

[frigid dune]

True. I wonder if Asian servers are alright with the state of the game so they don't care : ]

[thin crystal]

what are we expecting here

[frigid dune]

Me? Nothing. And I can't even leave 1 star review cause mine is already there.

I just finished farm on main account and have nothing to do till my second blesses one will have it's day reset

[thin crystal]

meh, not like leaving 1star review is gonna do anyhing

if the game is good, people will play. if not, people will leave

simple as that

[frigid dune]

It would, actually. It actually lowers the conversion into players from organic traffic. : ]

And this decrease is pretty noticable. But devs still may not care. : ]

[torpid willow]

Another day and we still haven't gotten a response about the x2 for tomorrow — is this a joke?

[upbeat breach]

I dont think they will change anything before 2x

[young zealot]

They’ll probably give us an update for the 2x event on Monday

[thin crystal]

no but putting expectation on the dev to fix their game is.

[upbeat breach]

They are most likely going to use the data from 2x to decide if they need to change anything at all or not

[young zealot]

What do you mean by that ? How can data from this week end help with this?

[upbeat breach]

There will be a shitload of people farming modules this week. This is the best time for them to see what is reasonable or not at different account levels

Units used, time it took, number of failed runs, how many are doing hell4, how many are doing inferno and etc

[young zealot]

I see, well I think more people will be able to beat inferno since people will probably start to build other units and farm more modules, helping them clearing inferno. doesn’t change the fact that there is a problem with the inferno difficulty though

[upbeat breach]

Absolutely, but I think it will be more in the sense that they can check what are the real requirements for inferno, both unit wise, gear wise, account level and etc

I am not saying that they should wait, just that I am not that optimist

[charred minnow]

Bro

Imagine they hit us with a we gonna postphone the 2x event 1-2 weeks

So more people can catch up

[upbeat breach]

People are already saving refills and etc, that would be a shitstorm

[charred minnow]

I know

Some have capped stamina

[upbeat breach]

I would be pissed as hell too

[charred minnow]

But just imagine 😂

[upbeat breach]

And there are ppl going for 10k+

[charred minnow]

I wouldnt even be surprised if they would do that

[upbeat breach]

I dont think they want to eos that fast

[charred minnow]

Hahaha

Critical bugfix: we had a typo on our event page, sorry 2x is from 28th to 30th

[upbeat breach]

Havent been able to play this game for the whole week because of the 2x

[charred minnow]

That was your choice tho

[upbeat breach]

with the announced 2x...

[charred minnow]

Was still your choice nobody forced you to overcap and not play 😅

But they wont do that ofc

Would really be asking for eos

Cant wait for more shitstorms tomorrow about all ppl that saved so much and wont be able to do any inferno stages 😂

[formal snow]

Yea most people will just be spamming XP and gp

[charred minnow]

I think setting up a team with max 1-2 characters that one shot and then fill other slots with characters you want to level will be very beneficial too

More exp while farming

[upbeat breach]

At least on my side, I will farm mostly gp and exp

After I finish everything that I need, I will go back to modules

[charred minnow]

I have everything I need written out for GP and EXP

Rest will go in modules

[upbeat breach]

I should do that for the GP. Also need to actually decide on who I will run on doki

[charred minnow]

You have my cheatsheet

?

[upbeat breach]

dont think so

[upbeat breach]

That is soo nice

[charred minnow]

All info you need might add other level breakpoints too for 5* 45/45

[upbeat breach]

Do you know if you can still one shot inferno doki with Rilmocha but without kloss?

[charred minnow]

Who would be your replacement

Need some kind of def break that doesnt die at the start of both wave 1 and 2

[upbeat breach]

I have maxed Rosa, but it is a bit annoying with the resist over there. Also have Rilmocha, Xiada or Massiah to run. Just trying to decide on who to go for

[upbeat breach]

been running gray for that job

[charred minnow]

Ah fair

[royal furnace]

Tbh bur you need to manual

Which is pain

[charred minnow]

Oof but wait

[upbeat breach]

But for one shot comps I would need someone that can def down with codex

[charred minnow]

Gray wont work as good because codex wont reset S3

[upbeat breach]

Either Dinah or Rc

[uncut mica]

with inferno modules? sure. Without need certain comps

[charred minnow]

What affinity is rc?

[upbeat breach]

blue

on that part he is kinda safe

[upbeat breach]

Having no luck with kloss is sad 😦

[royal furnace]

Tbh if i had codex messiah i would oneshot with rill doki

[charred minnow]

Could do rc77 codex, kazuyo codex, rilmocha Count, Freya revelation, yang or gray for crite rate up

[royal furnace]

Im like 15% off

[uncut mica]

you need either a super speed Grey who can lap the Rilmocha on wave 2 which is possible to do with Jackal Guard to apply the def down, codex RC-77

[upbeat breach]

So I guess for now the best bet would be Xiada right?

[royal furnace]

Yea

[upbeat breach]

That is what I thought too

[royal furnace]

Since she just ramps

[upbeat breach]

Can reset massiah and just go xiada

[royal furnace]

And just hallowen kazyo

[upbeat breach]

As far as I remember we only need s2 for xiada right?

I have been really stingy with skill ups, so still got 14 or 15 left

[uncut mica]

S3 is just damage up and def break chance up

can't remember what her prowess nodes are though

[royal furnace]

S2 is crit s3 is spd

Like all strikers

[upbeat breach]

So I guess S2 is the most important

I will try it first with just S2 to see how it is. Rosa is really unstable for inferno, it is a pain in the ass

I had more luck with an unskilled Massiah than with a maxed Rosa

[royal furnace]

XD

Yeah Rosa is way better on aurora tho

[upbeat breach]

Yep, this is why I am keeping her

Rosa is also amazing in pvp

[charred minnow]

It was a hard choice for me between Rosa and Xiada

So I built Rilmocha instead

[upbeat breach]

🤣

I got both xiada and rilmocha after I had everything already running, so I was kinda stuck

[surreal bobcat]

s3 then s2

[timber mica]

Sorry if i missed it, but is there a way to manual or auto shadowflame hoyan inferno without Lily? i have ssania.

[uncut mica]

Fangus, SSania, Obol, Chiaki the echo or Green Sania depending on what gear you've farmed up. Toss everyone on Codexes

[graceful juniper]

Have you trt kill 1 of his side minion first? Its really helpful

[wary fractal]

i have a fully stacked perfect teamcomp for everything niconana inferno and i still cant fkin smell the guy, actualy piped out devs

https://tenor.com/view/fun-pet-pet-fun-high-tired-so-tired-gif-24511981

[surreal bobcat]

dont they have an insane amount of health for inferno?

[mental mural]

Won't be able fo do that

Average whale flexing his account

This guy here
Never listen to him

Inferno nico nana?

[night kraken]

Nerfing lily kills inferno runs. The problem is inferno is overturned. Why in the world would you kill the unit that gives people a chance to clear it?

[fickle hare]

would xiada be more consistent then rilmocha in doki2?

[night kraken]

Mocha is best for doki. You just need to build her right. This is coming from someone who uses Rosa for doki inferno

[mental mural]

On day 3 I thought my account was bricked when I summoned shadow with no dps but the rilmocha I got from the selector banner
Little did I know she would be my savior
I love my shadow Sania
She's the life of this game
A goddess with thorns

[fickle hare]

ah i have a fully invested rosa, what team do you run for doki inferno? , may i ask

[warped kestrel]

Because it's an LD SSR that 90%> of people who don't reroll for her won't have, and game content shouldn't be gated behind having that one super rare unit. That said, I don't think the solution is to nerf units, the solution is to lower Inferno difficulty so everyone can farm them reliably with easy to obtain units that are properly invested.

[night kraken]

Rosa, kloss, freya, lily and kazu

[mental mural]

Most people would buy this account for $2k

[fickle hare]

would valerian or ling be a substitute for lily, cause i dont have her :/

[wary fractal]

Day is 234, a full year of devs fent stack not running out, sania is still the only unit that allows you to play the game

[night kraken]

I 100% agree with you on the fix.

[thin crystal]

yups

[night kraken]

Honestly I tried with sustain units and I just couldn’t beat it. You need to time your debuffs properly. Rosa HAS to kill the first set of mobs on her second skill 3 and you must have the rest of your skill 3’s up by the time the second set of mobs come out. I still can’t auto inferno only manual but my manual is 100%

[fickle hare]

ah i see

[warped kestrel]

There's one unit that's being used alongside her in virtually all those runs, don't forget that

[night kraken]

Mio might work if you have her in place of lily

[wary fractal]

i love this game so much but if they ever, god forbid, EOS, i will be thrilled as fuck, what a shit company

[graceful juniper]

I heard he play DoT? So it doesnt matter

[fickle hare]

i was trying to auto the runs, but then again i did try manual and the closest i ever gotten was when the boss was only one remaining

lets just say he soloed my whole team after that

[fickle hare]

hmm i might just try her

[night kraken]

You running rev shell on Rosa right?

[fickle hare]

yup

[night kraken]

As long as your mio is fast you should be good.

[fickle hare]

my builds not the best

[night kraken]

You wanna run momentum when you get the chance. That makes it so you get 35% more CD on skill 3 with all your debuffs on.

[fickle hare]

yup im working on it, just haven't been farming aurora much

[night kraken]

My build can be a lot better but I need to beat aurora inferno first

[fickle hare]

oof yea you can definetly shave some cr off

[fickle hare]

yooo i beat it!

on manual tho

[night kraken]

Haha hell yeah! Just took some motivation 😂😂

[fickle hare]

xDD

[night kraken]

Damn I’m surprised you 6* kazu. My freya and kazu still arnt 6* yet 😭😭

[fickle hare]

yea

just wanted to beef her up abit

even tho it aint necessary

[night kraken]

Yea I’ll be getting her to 6* tomorrow during 2x event. Hoping to have at minimum 10 6* units

[fickle hare]

noice, im on 8 6* units rn

[civic relic]

What are the meaningful breakpoints on the rimolcha codex doki clear? Is it even worth using rimolcha if she doesn't one-shot?

[night kraken]

Don’t think so. From what I’ve heard you need mocha to 1 shot the mobs

That’s why I reset my Mocha and went all in on Rosa. My mocha was not one shotting for the life of her

[fickle hare]

i might just reset my rilmocha and get back the 4 lattices

haha

considering rosa's all i need

hehe

[civic relic]

Tempted to pick up xiada or Rosa from the shop and attempt the same lol

[fickle hare]

if you're talking about the animus shop , it doesn't gurantee the hero but the dupe

[civic relic]

Oh what

That doesn't actually give you the char?

[fickle hare]

yea

[civic relic]

♿

Lmao

Guess I'm hosed

[fast marlin]

I don't have kloss so I was farming hell 4 with double DPS, Rosa and Ril. Do you think it's possible to farm inferno with the same team?

My Rosa is fully maxed and my Ril only s3

[night kraken]

Brother I WISH it was like that lol only character I’m missing is mio. $2.6k in and I’ve maxed my lily and tsukiyo before I have even smelled a mio

[night kraken]

Can’t lie I’ve never seen a double DPS team. I’ll be very surprised if you have enough damage to clear the mobs on inferno without that extra debuff

[fast marlin]

On hell 4 Rosa damage is enough for Ril to one shot but I haven't tried inferno yet

I'll give it a shot and see how much more hp the waves have

My modules are also garbage because I'm waiting for the 2x so I think that it may be possible

[night kraken]

That 90% defense buff on the mobs is no joke brother.

[fast marlin]

Isn't that until you cc them?

Or is it permanent?

[topaz nimbus]

Ill trade u one of my 4 mios for a lily 🥲🥲

Actually so tilting, I've gotten 10 total LDs and all of them have been the light units except 1 s.sania

[night kraken]

Until you cc. But I’m saying having 2 dps will be hard to keep that cc in rotation no?

[fast marlin]

I use my kazuyo with codex

So if I can one shot the wave I can use the same rotation on the second

If not I'm fucked

[night kraken]

😭😭 I feel that pain. I didn’t get kloss until 2 days ago. Was such a struggle

[scarlet quartz]

Freya -> def break codex -> Kazuyo codex -> AoE DPS codex-> Rilmocha Count should work

if that enables your rilmocha to get the oneshot

on both waves

[mental mural]

Still looking for a no lily aurora team

[civic relic]

Is prowess spd added to the base and then modified by %spd boosts from matrices? Or is it just a flat addition on top

[mental mural]

Refine your sentence

[ocean bay]

no its not added to base

[frozen stone]

15 k messages and still radio silent

[mental mural]

Wdym?

[fallen rune]

I've given up hope and will just play the game very casually if at all, they'll never get another cent from me

[torpid willow]

If they don't say anything today, it's simply a disgrace.

[mental mural]

We just need something helpful before the galore event

[clever tapir]

Man... people are so impatient

[warped kestrel]

Today is the last day they have before The Great Divide occurs.

[mental mural]

With how much prep time they had this is fair

[clever tapir]

Inferno came out 4 days ago tho not even a week

[mental mural]

A week
2 weeks
Doesn't matter
It's still clearable regardless

[frozen stone]

He’s rage baiting ignore him

[upbeat breach]

People have been farming inferno for 7 days

[clever tapir]

Its been 10 days already?

[upbeat breach]

Ops it was 7 not 10

But yeah, it has been a while

[clever tapir]

Ah

[upbeat breach]

I think first clear was last friday or saturday

[clever tapir]

Get a life

[clever tapir]

I see

So most max refreshers reached it a day or 2 behind

5-6 days inferno has been out

[upbeat breach]

Using the video that I know as reference, but cant remember if it was posted in the same day or not

[clever tapir]

Ehh

Most people just dont bother to farm hell 4, so makes sense why inferno is hard

Hell 4 and inferno drop same stuff except the special inferno module

[sick crater]

Still arrogant and elitist while spamming Ssanya, I see

[clever tapir]

Doki doki?

Aurora?

Sharon?

Rosa for niconana?

[sick crater]

Inferno shells

Inferno dps gear

[clever tapir]

Sorry i forgot u cant think foryourself

[sick crater]

Stop pretending theyre not a thing

[clever tapir]

Rosa niconana

[sick crater]

Fully geared rosa with Ssania

Youre so dishonest its simply insane

[clever tapir]

U know what, just check the damn pins

Fully geared rosa with stuff farmed from hell 4

[clever tapir]

Dumbass

[sick crater]

0 reading comprehension.

Wont bother with you

Keep licking the boot

[clever tapir]

Lol cant wait for people like you to leave the game

[fallen rune]

I had to block this fool days ago

[clever tapir]

Complaing but dont even bother thinking forthemselves

[fallen rune]

If you're typing at me all I see is "1 blocked message"

[clever tapir]

Ur also blocked bud

So idc

[torpid willow]

How is it possible that we don't have a response with more than 15k messages, surreal

[vestal silo]

Kraken, Tsuki, Rosa and Dinah can clear Nico inferno on auto. My issue is Hoyan. No matter the amount of gear I will farm. That's just simply impossible without Sania or Lily.

[distant wedge]

maybe it’s not smth easy to fix?

[turbid ridge]

because they wont change the core game for a couple of ppl who cant cope

[distant wedge]

well they could’ve maybe at least told us if they were discussing it

[warped kestrel]

No one will be farming shells for the next 2 days, they'll be farming Inferno modules.

[clever tapir]

I cant wait for the crybabies to leave

[turbid ridge]

and yes ur 0.01% of the playerbase

[royal otter]

Couple people meaning everyone that doesnt have Ssani?

[turbid ridge]

how many downloads we had? how many wrote in this channel?

[clever tapir]

Only 109 people typed in here

Kek out of 90k people in the discord

Wait nvm 109 online

150 offline

Still tho

[distant wedge]

[royal otter]

Regardless of who types here the inferno difficulty affects everyone that doesnt not have Ssania. Not really hard to understand

[clever tapir]

259 out of 90k

[turbid ridge]

maybe the adults dont care as much as you do

[royal otter]

Meanwhile you have the Ssania defenders like Rockuidiot everyday here squenching his ass that ssania doesnt get a nerf

[clever tapir]

Maybe they are smart knowing they need to farm hell 4 first before inferno

[clever tapir]

Look at the damn pins

[turbid ridge]

and stop use the word everyone. You dont talk for everyone

[clever tapir]

Theres a whole list of teams in the pins

Without sania

[royal otter]

Yeah cause Ssania team farm hell iv lmao. There are clears with 5 star ssania and 4 star fangus. Get a grip

[clever tapir]

If u need sania for hell 4

Thats a skill issue

Khloros diting works just fine

Messiah 2 healers too

[royal otter]

Those teams need 10x more investment. How disingenouos can you be

[clever tapir]

Hell, even my guildmember did messiah without lily or sania

[royal otter]

Im talking about inferno. That ssania doesnt need to farm hell to do inferno

[clever tapir]

Then just slowly build them out?

[royal otter]

Does Ssania teams need to slowly build them out?

[clever tapir]

What are you even hoarding your skill ups for

[warped kestrel]

We are the most hardcore players who max refreshed every day (including spending 5-10 hours a day spending all that stability), the average player will eventually reach Inferno and be hit much harder than anyone who has typed here, as they don't have the dedication that any of us have.

[clever tapir]

Fubgus max s1 and s2, sania max s1， lily max s1, valerian max s3

[royal otter]

Lmaoooo

Only 4 gold lattice investment

[clever tapir]

U blind

Its 8

[clever tapir]

I see

[turbid ridge]

the avrage player doesnt have a fragile ego like the main characters here who complain. The fact that they dont refresh tell you alrdy they dont give a fuck. They treat this as a game and nothing more.

[royal otter]

Other teams need 12 on dps, 4-8 on lily and 4 on kloos. You are so disingenuous its actually sad

[clever tapir]

Lol tf u need 8 on lily for

[charred minnow]

S2 for lily

[clever tapir]

12 is purple on diting

[charred minnow]

More speed

[clever tapir]

Speed is on s1

[charred minnow]

Or better said turn meter

[royal otter]

S1 and s2. Check the teams that people are clearing with. Not really hard

[charred minnow]

I meant the effect

[clever tapir]

I see

[royal otter]

You clearly know shit since you only ever used ssania in inferno lmao

[clever tapir]

Lily without s2 max will work imo

[charred minnow]

Ye lily s2 isnt necessary

[clever tapir]

U know shit

Reach mythic then talk to me

[charred minnow]

I mean its ai arena

[upbeat breach]

Casual player will have a bizarre wall in inferno. It can be hard, just not stupid bad

[clever tapir]

Agaisnt speed hell defense teams

[royal otter]

The fuck does pvp hace to do with inferno. You are so brainrotted holy shit

[upbeat breach]

Need to take into account they will get a lot less stuff if they are not max refreshing daily

[charred minnow]

De I know

Dw*

I have been mythic for a few days

My lily is too fast for them

[clever tapir]

Niceee

[charred minnow]

[pure junco]

Would be funny if everyone suddenly posted mythic xD

[clever tapir]

I just abuse lily + kazuyo perma sleep

[upbeat breach]

Just need 300+ speed started and you are in the top 100

[royal otter]

No wonder you here defending this shit all day everyday. Pobably want to keep using ssania farming inferno to get ahead in pvp lol

[clever tapir]

U need speed gear bruh

Thats doki

Not terror

[upbeat breach]

Unfortunately we cant get it with sania. Well you can, just not that great

[royal otter]

Also dude is flexing arena. At least flex rta

[charred minnow]

Tbf I havent farmed any modules after clearing the inferno first time

I made do with what I have

[warped kestrel]

There is 0 reason other than looking to maintain PvP superiority through an unfair advantage, for anyone to defend equipment dungeon difficulty in a 10x autobattle gacha game that is PvP-focused.

[royal otter]

And who do you think drops the shells that use the 3 matrix speed module… its not only about the thresholds

[charred minnow]

Niconana already has teams without lily and ssania

[royal otter]

Plus you think 3 matrix on dps doesnt make a difference? Damn lil bro only knows speed meta

[clever tapir]

They refuse to look at the pins and just blame sania

[turbid ridge]

here is the problem its your ego cant cope with the fact that you cant be at the top for the first weeks that dont matter at all

[charred minnow]

Atp its not just pins, look at youtube look at recent clear frequently etc

[royal otter]

Again holy shit. Have you sern the investment required to thise teams compared to ssania? Are you blind?

[pure junco]

You mean playing the game?

[clever tapir]

Damn... they really dont know how to google

[charred minnow]

Yes because I've ran teams without lily ssania for my guildies

8-12 lattice

Just like ssania teams

[clever tapir]

They would say too much investment sania is less

[upbeat breach]

Wait, how dare you ask for investment to farm inferno

[clever tapir]

Idk why they hoarding their lattice for

[vestal silo]

I can farm Doki and Nico on inferno and even with the swift raids on my heroes I still can't clear Hoyan just cos I don't have Lily and Sania. No amount of gear will fix that. That boss is locked behin like 3 heroes. I'm fine with the difficulty. I grinded out the stuff that is possible without DoT. Hoyan is not possible.

[charred minnow]

But its the same amount 😭

[upbeat breach]

Somehow it is ok to put 12 lattice on a massiah for doki, but you cant use 4 for farming

[royal otter]

Sure bud

[clever tapir]

Yea u need a lily for hoyan

[turbid ridge]

for pvp main character syndrom think they can compete with whales if it wouldnt be for the damn ssania/lily

[pure junco]

because this is the last chance we'll ever have to get lattices!

[charred minnow]

Oki buddybooooyyy

[upbeat breach]

Even with obol+fangus?

[proud tide]

So is shadow sania working as intended since no response or fixes from the dev and 2x event is tomorrow.

[uncut mica]

the F2P doT team will still work there

[upbeat breach]

shadow sania always worked as intended, she was never the issue

[uncut mica]

Obol Fangus Chiaki the Echo + Healer

[clever tapir]

Obal fungus works, need alot of purple lattice tho

[upbeat breach]

Only need 2 for obol, so it is not that bad

[clever tapir]

Oh u dont need his max? Interesting

[upbeat breach]

Unless you want to max obol s1 to be more stable

[clever tapir]

I see

Im bulding him with the 2x

[upbeat breach]

lv 5 on s3 is for stun, meanwhile for s1 it is both for stun and duration

[upbeat breach]

Sr lattice is a nightmare right now, I have way too many units that need it

[clever tapir]

Yeaaa at least 2 a week from union

[uncut mica]

maxing obol S3 and S1 just improve the run stability. 2 in S3 for the DoT chance is like the bare minimum you want

[clever tapir]

I see

Ty

[uncut mica]

Chiaki though also wants a huge amount of purples though you can use her in many places

[upbeat breach]

That is what I did for nico too. I will finish obol before going back to him

[clever tapir]

Im hoping to make my auto shells more consistent

Sharon and reng will be a pain to build for

[upbeat breach]

So far I have been doing nico by hand, so I am hoping fangus will fix it

[charred minnow]

will finally be able to build my units properly this weekend

[clever tapir]

Its like a 70% win rate

[royal otter]

Nah dude you just need to farm 1 month of hell iv, get max copies of a dps, use 16+ gold lattice pray to rng meanwhile some teams can clear without even 6 staring units.

[charred minnow]

I will be so ahead of all these f2ps here

they gonna be happy if they catch my dust

: (

[upbeat breach]

And will actually be able to play too. Havent touched any exp or gp since they announced the 2x

[charred minnow]

fr

[clever tapir]

Same i got 3.5k prestaked and 42 pots

[upbeat breach]

Hoping to get at least 5 new lv 50 6*

[clever tapir]

Damnn how much stam u got to burn

To make 5 more 6 stars

[upbeat breach]

I have mats for 3*, just need mats for another 2 and the exp for it

[clever tapir]

I see

[upbeat breach]

Only have 5 6* in the account, so you can imagine how much exp I farmed so far 🤣

[pure junco]

I've seen people at level 57 already

[uncut mica]

I'm 61 or 62 but I've spent ~50 pots

[clever tapir]

I stopped at 57, stopped potting since lvl 50

[uncut mica]

I did a big potting at rengo to grab three maxed codexes and a couple counts

then they announced 2x about 12 hours later...

[upbeat breach]

I think I am around 57 or something like that too, but got 7k saved counting pots and energy

[clever tapir]

Welp at least u got those shells

[upbeat breach]

Same here, I think I burned 15 pots

[pure junco]

Lol that must have sucked

[vestal silo]

I don't mind the grind. And I don't mind difficult content either. I don't care how much eaiser others have it. My issue is when I max out a team head to toe and people tell me "sorry bub but this content is only clearable by DoT cheesing." Im just simply not a fan of DoT so I guess if I don't wanna use DoT I can't clear Hoyan which is frankly idiotic. 🤷‍♂️

[clever tapir]

I burned like 30😭

[upbeat breach]

I meant on the day before the announcement 🤣

[clever tapir]

Yea me too

I thought it wasnt coming

Till devs caved

But i already used my pots

So.. ggz

[upbeat breach]

I dont think there is anything that is strictly sania based. Hoyan is dot based, but you should be able to do it without sania

[pure junco]

That's it

[distant wedge]

rengokutsu for those need it

[pure junco]

SS makes things easier, but isn't the only option

[clever tapir]

Tyty

[formal snow]

Inferno?

[distant wedge]

yep

[formal snow]

Damn nice. Heavy investment?

[distant wedge]

not rly lemme ss

[ruby canyon]

i dont think rengo is consitent for anyone yet

let alone auto

it's restart simulator

[pure junco]

Does Rengo have any resistances? What are they?

[distant wedge]

diting is defo strong

[ruby canyon]

control effects minus taunt and DoT

[distant wedge]

holy fk

this diting

[pure junco]

So the usual

[clever tapir]

Rengo cant be dotted

In inferno

[ruby canyon]

that's a pretty normal diting, no furyedge or anything

[formal snow]

Holy diting

[ruby canyon]

it's just you need to avoid rengo hitting diting cause he actually gets one shot

so it's suuuper rng

[pure junco]

How many taunters are currently in game? 🤔

[ruby canyon]

vice is the best one

[distant wedge]

[clever tapir]

Ik tiamat is one

[pure junco]

Rin is pretty good

[uncut mica]

red GODREW
Tiamat
red Rin
Vice

[pure junco]

I get Vietnam flashbacks of CCs recommending pull her, pull Sania, pull Rilmocha

[ornate moth]

would be red rin, no?

[uncut mica]

vice has taunt on his S1 and heals himself/others if he's full HP when he debuffs

[sly ravine]

does this team sound good for inferno aurora, would like to know before I heavily invest: Ditting, Khloros, Valerian, Mia, Lingluo. I don't care if it's slow, just want it to be 100%

[ruby canyon]

I believe vice has 2x 30% before effhit and rin has 2x 25%, vice also heals like crazy

[sour lotus]

Oh that's the LD from the Hoyan trailer lol

[ruby canyon]

I doubt it's possible without an atk down, viper and holden can both strip immunity and apply atk-

[sour lotus]

where do you get the blue lattice for R's?

[ruby canyon]

inferno aurora hurts, like a lot

[ruby canyon]

some of the shops

[sly ravine]

hmm, so then put in viper instead of valerian? she just sits on her chair anyway havinga cappuccino while everyone fights(nnot that i'm downplaying the buffs etc)

[ruby canyon]

nope you run 1 dps and both viper and valerian, no chance you live without valerian

valerian also gives atk buffs

[sly ravine]

fair, going to try with ditting only then before investing in khloros, planning to build him for terra anyway

[ruby canyon]

diting can do it, means you gotta run viper and not holden cause no rosa for spd-

[sly ravine]

perfect, I don't have holden xD

[tribal osprey]

what the

thats such a waste though 😭

just farm shells

[upbeat breach]

It is not, I am losing 288 per day to have 1.1k per day to farm under 2x

I dont really care about account exp

[arctic plover]

yeah, especially if you goofed and used stabilizers it's very much worth it

[tribal osprey]

Thats like 340k shell exp a day

[upbeat breach]

That doesnt matter, I am still getting double of the resources for every stamina that I will use during 2x

If I was only farming gear it would be a time issue, but since I will farm everything it is ok

[arctic plover]

he essentially gets 1.1 - 300 = 800 extra energy worth of stuff every day he does it

and will farm shell exp after the event is over

and only shell exp since everything else will be in abundance

[upbeat breach]

Yep, it is like free 160 runs per day, with zero opportunity cost

I did all the dailies without using stamina

[arctic plover]

level a character, level a shell, pull and do arena

[upbeat breach]

also did 30 gear per day

[tribal osprey]

I guess if youre a whale thats worth

[distant wedge]

this guy doesn't understand maths

[upbeat breach]

It is always worth, we had zero reasons to use stamina

[ruby canyon]

it has nothing to do with money tho lol

[distant wedge]

it has nothing to do with being a whale lmao

[pure junco]

best gameplay loop!

[tribal osprey]

its the gems youre spending to get that

[upbeat breach]

1.1 per day is 2.2k stamina during 2x and I sacrificed 300 stamina per day. I am literally getting 1.9k stamina per day by doing that

[distant wedge]

^

[arctic plover]

the only situation where it's not worth is if you are actually a functional human being and won't have enough time during the double drop event to sink 90 stabilizers with 9k stockpiled energy on top

[upbeat breach]

everyone had enough staminas to do that

[arctic plover]

because it will genuinely be an entire day ordeal 😄

[true trench]

does anyone know how xiada does in inferno doki compared to massiah without a lily?

[upbeat breach]

Exactly. No way in hell I would have done that if I was going to farm gear with a 3min team and for a single day

[pure junco]

If you have a life, then the event really shouldn't matter much anyway

[ruby canyon]

just dump the liquid stamina quickly into gp outpost and stabilisers on modules as needed

[arctic plover]

tbh I am not sure I will be able to spend my stabilizers + 2k stockpile 😄

[upbeat breach]

I am most likely farming a shitload of exp and gp since they take 20 seconds each

[pure junco]

I guess you can farm between work breaks if you're that busy?

Stay up a little late ig

[ruby canyon]

work from home + only autoplay stays winning

[upbeat breach]

I was supposed to go to an event this saturday, but I will need to find an excuse 🤣

[arctic plover]

day off

reasons -- family matters -- my husbando needs swiftsmite

[pure junco]

guess that works since it's common to work from home these days

Family keeping you busy? Make them farm with you!

[warped kestrel]

I did the math and it'll take me about 33-40 hours of nonstop running 10xs to use up all of my stability these 2 days. Good thing I can afford to be a dysfunctional human being this weekend, my condolences to those who can't.

[upbeat breach]

Did that during beta to check how 2x would work and it wasnt fun

At some point I was like nah, no way in hell I will do that on release

[warped kestrel]

Doing that in a beta is hardcore

[upbeat breach]

It was just to check if it was feasible or not

[crimson scroll]

serv EU, someone has info on this run ?

[upbeat breach]

lv 66?wtf

[crimson scroll]

im gonna be 66 after spending all my stam this weekend

[ruby canyon]

you're gonna see lvl 70+ tomorrow lol

[warped kestrel]

What's the level cap?

[ruby canyon]

100

[warped kestrel]

[mental mural]

Whale run isn't reliable

Who here is grinding inferno aurora?

[distant wedge]

is it auto

[upbeat breach]

That is ok, I am more amazed by the fact that the guys is just burning everything just before a 2x

[distant wedge]

can chiaki work instead of mio

[gilded mirage]

DPS Heinrich? Also that guy just didn't give a fuck about double drops day

[gilded mirage]

I find it funny people thought Diting would fall off late game when it doesn't seem the case at all

My 1/5 Diting is so gimped

[mental mural]

I just realized there's no shells involved

Humongous L

[jolly relic]

L

[sly ravine]

that was always the case

even in beta

[charred minnow]

#devslistened

They nerfing all complainers

[mental mural]

I know
But inferno shells is all i can auto 💔

[tidal arch]

Its over 🥀

[torpid willow]

Xdd

[mental mural]

Slaving hell 4 terrormaton with 60 stabilizers here we go

[torpid willow]

It's unbelievable that they still haven't said anything officially. They could simply say they need more time to reach a conclusion, but instead, nothing. I guess we'll just have to wait for a miracle

[charred minnow]

Message after 2x we saw a lot of people farm hell iv, if you cant do inferno follow their example here's 50 crystals 🙂

[clever tapir]

what if they post all the inferno clears and say "skill issue"

[torpid willow]

At the very least, that would be a response

[devout geyser]

Just pull a max dupe team like the people autoing consistently. That's the devs vision. Can't clear? spend more.

[charred minnow]

That would be wild

[split juniper]

[charred minnow]

I would be shocked and impressed at the same time

[ornate moth]

woah a heinrich use

still no word from devs huh

[delicate wedge]

hi guys has anyone tried inferno terror with mia to strip the immunity? i have ssaia, lily, freya, and fangus as my terror team but i dont have a holden to strip anything. i do have mia and im debating if shes worth the investment

[tribal osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

The devs

[arctic plover]

doesn't work on auto but should work on manual

[delicate wedge]

ya unfort she doesnt s2 first

[arctic plover]

mia is a fine unit, probably bis in aurora

[delicate wedge]

any other character that can strip on auto? other than holden

or should i just try to pull for holden

he seems so useful

[carmine palm]

hein and viper, but viper is blue

[arctic plover]

pull holden imo

[ornate moth]

Mizuki Makato

and heinrich yeah

but probably just go for holden

[sly ravine]

i just realised, if I pull for holden, I will have all red ssrs xD

[uncut mica]

Mizuki Makoto

goddamnit Rath

that's what I get for not reading everything

[ornate moth]

😁

[civic relic]

Pulled a ssania, is it worth building a dot team without lily?

[uncut mica]

Yes. Just run any turn booster

[civic relic]

👍

Does not having lily ruin any of the inferno runs or is it just a matter of needing better gear to survive more turns

[ornate moth]

well u can clear in 1 min without anyone 6 star apparently

so... I don't think u rly even need great gear lol

[robust scarab]

dot doesnt need gear, thats why its so far ahead of every other team :p thats literally the only reason its overperforming

Holden will need gear at the least for inferno to strip tho

[ornate moth]

plus u can use mostly the same characters + standard units most ppl already build for all 3 fights its used on

[surreal bobcat]

this terror?

[ornate moth]

yea

[surreal bobcat]

if Ssania s1 is max, you are 50% of the way there

[mental mural]

How to one shot with rilmocha without kloss?

[robust scarab]

better gear

[surreal bobcat]

dont use valerian

[robust scarab]

if you cant one shot with atk up/def down/nightmare then u just need gear

[mental mural]

I'm sitting at 2800 attack

80% crit damage

[mental mural]

Right
Should I use lily instead?

[warped kestrel]

Add gear to Gray, my Gray has +1400~ ATK, 120% CDmg, and White Fang, and the damage he does while def breaking (pre-sleep) is enough that Ril can 1-shot one of the corner monsters after the sleep, I don't even run Freya so Nightmare is unnecessary

[surreal bobcat]

i was thinking yang

is gray your only def break, debuffer?

[arctic plover]

put revelation on freya

[torpid willow]

This is funny — all the teams without builds or leveled-up characters clear in 1 minute, but the strongest team with the best gear and more upgraded units takes 7:28 minutes lol PvE is a joke

[jolly relic]

S-Sania diff

[torpid willow]

Skill diff

[ornate moth]

didn't pull ssania? Skill issue

[arctic plover]

should have pulled better

[mental mural]

Options?

I have Dinah as well

[fast marlin]

It's ssania lily diff

U need both or you are still fucked that the worst part

[mental mural]

Should lattice him up?

[warped kestrel]

Unfortunately yes, both S2 and S3 will drastically shorten the run, since you rely so much on the DEF break

[mental mural]

So she can deal more damage?

[warped kestrel]

I don't know if Lily can make it better for you, as I don't have a Lily

[pearl knot]

mia can work yeah

[mental mural]

Nothing new

[proper palm]

Are there any auto teams for Hoyan? Or just gotta manual for now

[mental mural]

My main problem is the constant stun on the second wave

[warped kestrel]

I run Kaz, Vale, Mio, Gray, Ril

So the stun is rarely a problem

Since Mio just freezes on second wave right away

[mental mural]

F

I'm tempted to summon in hopes for kloss or beyothin

[surreal bobcat]

inferno hoyan: spd order: Obol(250)>Fangus(249)>Ssania(248)>Valerian(X)
important to not outspeed the minions on rotation 2 else obol will use s3 to stun the minions too early (they still stunned from rotation 1) the run itself is auto and 9/10 clears, how you lose is bad rng on valerian buff (SPDup) or Obol not stunning both minions.
recommended shells: codex(obol+sania) 2x artisan(fangus+val) 2x

copies this from someone here a couple days ago

[warped kestrel]

Usually still have to wait for sleep because Freeze has a terrible success rate, but the inconsistent Freezes still save me from a lot of damage and stuns

[mental mural]

Is lily a requirement?

[surreal bobcat]

there is no lilly here....

[warped kestrel]

I don't know if Beyontin is going to help you much, I have Beyontin and I haven't managed to get her to S2 anyone I want her to S2

[arctic plover]

yes she will contribute helping ril to reach the breakpoint.

You still build her on swiftrush and high speed but with revelation -- she doesn't have other good shell anyway

[ornate moth]

no you don't

[warped kestrel]

But Kloss would be very game changing for me(plus would allow me to reset Gray)

[pearl knot]

can you prob auto with lily but without her you have to manual or the auto plays s sania wrong

[ornate moth]

there's non-lily ssania teams for terror, nico and hoyan

[surreal bobcat]

whats the hoyan one?

[pearl knot]

im literally clearing hoyan without lily

[fast marlin]

I'm not talking about 5-7 minutes manual fights

[ornate moth]

idk there's a number of options

[ornate moth]

that would be non-ssania teams lol

[ornate moth]

@fast marlin 1 min clear with no lily and no 6 star characters

inferno terrormaton

[fast marlin]

"number of options" bruh it's literally only dot teams

[surreal bobcat]

nvm, i misread. I thought you said no lilly and no ssania

[uncut mica]

Hoyan is literally designed to be dotted

[ornate moth]

yeah ssania is broken asf and the bosses are overtuned

[pearl knot]

every boss needs less hp

[ornate moth]

those of us without ssania are boned

[ornate moth]

oh. Yeah no

only seen 2 ppl clear without ssania, both relied on boss RNG

[fast marlin]

Every boss should have at least a couple of different teams that can beat it not just one single thing

[ornate moth]

100%

[jolly relic]

its sucks

[fast marlin]

They are killing team building diversity like this

[ornate moth]

couple different teams that can eventually auto battle, not 6 min manual clears either. This is farming content after all

[royal otter]

There was a hoyan clear with hoyan, lingluo, celince, green sania but hoyan was 5/5 copies

[ornate moth]

let me burn 200+ stamina per day with 20x 7 minute manual battle clears lol, no thanks I'll play something else

[warped kestrel]

I refuse to keep manualing in this game. Any team comp that isn't auto is worthless to me at this point.

[ornate moth]

yeah max dupe hoyan with 5/5/5 skills, 9 lattice celince, all characters lv 50

[royal otter]

Yup

[fast marlin]

There is literally like 1 unit that absolutely destroy a boss and everyone else is just ok so you get the broken character for that specific content or u need 10 times better gear to just farm it

[ornate moth]

and that one would have failed with different RNG I'm pretty sure

[pearl knot]

my sania clears it under 1min with no 6stars

[ornate moth]

like adds proccing silence/wound at the wrong time or attaccking wrong person

[royal otter]

Yeah, meanwhile runs with 4 stared fangus and 5 star ssania clears faster on auto lol

[robust scarab]

bosses dont need to be easier imo, we just need more accessible loot, if i could gear my characters with good shells and 3 matrix modules in hell/inferno rather than getting nothing but epic shells and 2 matrix modules id be happy and have a much easier time clearing things

[warped kestrel]

What do you gain from the bosses remaining as difficult as they are right now? I don't get it, elaborate please.

[fast marlin]

We need more freedom in building our teams

[outer falcon]

You can choose which slot you want each unit to be in. That's options

[fast marlin]

Not just the same slop everywhere

[pearl knot]

No farming stages should be easy

[robust scarab]

bosses are only difficult for teams outside of dot because we cant kill them, gear enables you to do more dmg, have more sustain and beat bosses

dot skips gear requirements thats why they are good

[ornate moth]

if giga whales can't even clear the farming stages on auto battle with super maxed out units because they don't use 1 specific character, the boss needs to be easier IMO

[warped kestrel]

You are not answering my question: what do you gain from the bosses remaining with the difficulty level they have currently, what is bad about the bosses being easier than they are now?

[fast marlin]

I admit that inferno bosses during the beta were a little bit too easy but now the devs did the complete opposite

[pearl knot]

Why should farming content ever be hard there are actual end game activities

[robust scarab]

i never said i gain anything, i just seriously doubt they will nerf anything to begin with

[fast marlin]

Just do something in between

[robust scarab]

if they havent nerfed anything yet then i doubt they plan to

[royal otter]

I mean its farm content, should be easy or at the very least clearable with other teams with similar investment

[ornate moth]

like how is this acceptable lol

[fast marlin]

It's just stupid that dot with trash gear can farm a lot faster than teams completely maxed and geared for that specific dungeons

[warped kestrel]

They will do anything they have to do to ensure that their game doesn't die, they even put in the x2 event 2 weeks into the launch even though they know that's harmful to their bottom line, because the alternative is worse. The customer decides what they do.

[ornate moth]

if they don't, like half the playerbase will quit not gonna lie

[royal otter]

Just wait until the Ssania shills that live here arrive, they will find a way to defend it

[robust scarab]

the 2x event was never even confirmed to be removed lol

[warped kestrel]

If the average player reaches Inferno and the conclusion is that they're losing players because Inferno is insufferable, they will nerf Inferno difficulty.

[pearl knot]

no casual player is trying infernal without sania and staying

[ornate moth]

do u think the normies who don't do research on what units to build are gonna hit 50 and get absolute destroyed by farming dungeon bosses and not quit the game

[robust scarab]

i definitely hope so, but having easy clears just to get 7 or 8 epic shells out of 10 runs wont make me happier

ill just burn stamina quicker with the same results

[warped kestrel]

The customer is always right, their vision, if there's one, is secondary, because the customer is what allows the game to even run.

[fast marlin]

I just hope that this time they don't nerf more characters and simply nerf some bosses

[ornate moth]

they committed to not nerfing characters til end of PVP season

[fast marlin]

The problem is not only the dot units it's the stupid buff they give to a lot of bosses

[robust scarab]

fixing loot tables is a better, long term solution for everyone then just making stuff easier to kill, which i agree would be nice, but we still need obtainable loot thats useful instead of dog shit drop rates that we have

[ornate moth]

so their only options are rebalance/nerf inferno bosses, or watch the game crash and burn

[valid zephyr]

If thats the case Mihoyo would be giving us 10 free limited 5* units every year for Genshin and weapon banners wouldnt be trash

[royal otter]

Idk it would be funny if Ssania gets gutted with a nerf

[robust scarab]

i dont want to have to refresh 10x EVERY day for the rest of the game

[valid zephyr]

No sadly customers are not always right

[ornate moth]

do u have shadow sania?

[robust scarab]

nope

[fast marlin]

Only for normal nerfs and buffs, if something is not working as intended they can literally change it tomorrow without saying anything

[ornate moth]

if they buff drop rates of inferno before fixing the difficulty it just increases the gear advantage ssania spammers get

[robust scarab]

thats why i need loot lol

[valid zephyr]

And listening to customers dont always make you the most money

[fast marlin]

They've already done it

[warped kestrel]

Yeah that's the thing, to you it's just a time-saver to have weaker infernos(which is still a positive, I don't see why you'd hate that) - to many others it's outright the difference between progressing or not progressing. Absolutely no one(other than the people who are doing 40 second runs and want to maintain PvP advantage over others) has anything to gain from those bosses being difficult.

[dreamy cliff]

Tbh, I unlocked inferno shadow yesterday, spent my 10 refreshes on it, 90% of the shells were epic shells. one single tripple matrix out of 1200+ stamina which was law of silence with bramble, harvest & ether plague, hugely dissapointed by the drops but hey atleast I can farm it with about 95% success rate. only losses are boss resisting 5 dots in the fight

[royal otter]

Not a good analogy, genshin isnt pvp, all farming content is easy and they even nerfed domains in genshin so more people can farm them

[robust scarab]

i already said it'd be nice to have weaker bosses, i said it multiple times in fact, but that doesnt change the fact that killing a boss 10x that is easy OR hard is going to give me nothing that i want or need for my account to progress

[drowsy gust]

The full quote is "The customer is always right in matters of taste" which I think definitely applies here. You can't sell a customer sushi when he wants a hamburger. You can't sell super hard gear farming with mediocre rewards to people who want to just get the farming done so they can build up to actually play the game

[ornate moth]

drop rates are worth discussing in the future after they address the issue of only 10% of players being able to even farm the farming content

[valid zephyr]

Not in the first two years tho.

[fast marlin]

It's really strange how they implemented dot in the game, they made it absolutely op wherever you can use it and their solution was to simply make some bosses immune

[warped kestrel]

There's a difference between giving free money to your customers and accommodating what your customers are asking that isn't even the real moneymaker in the game (PvE) content, this isn't Honkai Star Rail, this is a PvP-focused gacha, most of the money will be made from people wanting to keep up with PvP meta units.

[dreamy cliff]

Yeah. I really expect a nerf today on terror/doki/aurora so people can farm it for the x2 event tomorrow

[valid zephyr]

It may not be PVP but the point still stands that you dont always listen to the customers

[royal otter]

Again, in a pve game time it takes doesnt mean as much as a pvp game. Also even if it was hard it wasnt like onloy diluc could clear

[fast marlin]

That's their way to make you farm shells for months

[valid zephyr]

What Flamel said was that customers are ALWAYS right

[dreamy cliff]

10% hp,attack,def decrease and a bit less resistance to land debuff more consistantly would seem reasonable to me

[valid zephyr]

Im just pointing out that thats not always the case

[dreamy cliff]

Tbh i'm ok with that, make the tripple matrix too easy is not good

[warped kestrel]

.. It'll give you more free time of your day? I don't know, I value that a lot, I won't waste my life away manualing Etheria Inferno dungeons.

[dreamy cliff]

Just wished I had a better tripple roll on the law of silence as I want to use 2 in PvP

[turbid ridge]

Just show some backbone and leave if you cant cope with the state of the game thats the worst thing that can happen to the devs. This constant mimimi is getting old.

[fast marlin]

Yeah just like inferno modules ☠️

[valid zephyr]

Because based on your logic thats what Mihoyo should have done @warped kestrel

[robust scarab]

if you could finish your set in a few days of targeted farming rather than 2 months, you'd have a lot more free time

[warped kestrel]

You always listen to the customers and try to accommodate whenever it won't cost you more money than the backlash you'll get if you don't accommodate, that's what the phrase "the customer is always right" means, you may not understand the true meaning of that phrase if you have never worked for customers.

[robust scarab]

then u can just pvp like the game is supposed to be

[torpid willow]

What time do they usually make announcements? If they don’t say anything today, we can already say goodbye to any fix for the x2

[fast marlin]

I don't really understand what they wanted to accomplish by changing all endgame content all of a sudden

[drowsy gust]

Usually when someone is arguing only semantics they're on the losing side just saying

[robust scarab]

they wont nerf anything before the 2x

[royal otter]

They wont fix it before the 2x, you can forget about that honestly

[dreamy cliff]

If you look at the post they made in announcement, time seems to be random couldn't tell really

[valid zephyr]

Then dont say Customers are always right because thats just misleading. This is what leads to customers being entitled af and thinking that can demand whatever they want because “Customers are always right”

[fast marlin]

Maybe some units, goodbye diting

[valid zephyr]

Thats why you get Karens going to shops and demanding unreasonable things

[warped kestrel]

The point of PvE in these PvP gachas is to keep you farming the equipment dungeons for literally 10+ years straight trying to get 30 different sets of perfect substats, that will take several years whether they let us into Inferno dungeons easily or not, and this is something we come into these games knowing.

[royal otter]

They might nerf things next week, but no Cc is covering this issue and the discord comunity manager thats suppose to send feedback to them just says welp look up different teams with 10x more investments

[valid zephyr]

And then say IM ALWAYS RIGHT BECAUSE IM THE CUSTOMER AND THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT

[ornate moth]

the cm did send the feedback to them

devs just have been silent so far

[drowsy gust]

If wanting inferno to be reasonable makes me a karen, call me the final boss of karens

[robust scarab]

they keep you farming gear by releasing new sets, new characters, new interactions and getting perfect stats, not by making it hard to just obtain it lol

[surreal bobcat]

which makes the timing of the 2x event awkward. Imagine everyone invests into dot during the 2x and then it gets nerfed a few days later

[warped kestrel]

The customer is always right because the customer is the only reason you have a business. The customer is obviously not always right, however, you must treat the customer as if they're always right and you must accommodate everything they request as long as it won't cost you more money than refusing their request will.

This is simple and something everyone who has worked for customer service at some point in their life knows.

[fast marlin]

Am I cooked if I can only farm hell 4 during the 2x?

[ornate moth]

nah, I'll prob be focusing majority of stamina on GP outpost anyway

and u can still get endgame usable modules in hell 4

[royal otter]

I mean ive seen him defend this for days, should have been sooner if he even did it and not just start pinning gimped teams with heavy investments

[ornate moth]

just not the 6 set inferno matrix pieces

[fast marlin]

How are they gonna nerf dot again? Make every boss immune?

[valid zephyr]

I literally had a customer come up to our bakery and demand we make them a custom cake on the same day the other day because why they said the exact same thing you said. The customer is always right and “we pay for your business so you should accomodate us”

[turbid ridge]

Funny you realize your in the minority right? So following your logic ur aint right correct?

[ornate moth]

I don't think there's any risk of unit/dot nerfs before pvp season ends. It's a matter of them nerfing bosses or not

[jolly relic]

tone down the boss HP

[robust scarab]

chances are they wont nerf any dot units bc they are quite literally useless outside of PVE

[valid zephyr]

No just because you pay for the business doesnt mean we must accomodate you Im sorry

Thats not how you run a business

[fast marlin]

If they made dots scales bases on attack instead of max hp it would become literally useless

[valid zephyr]

You listen to customers yes

[warped kestrel]

Both things are true, this is not a theoretical, man, I've spent 10 years in some of these games farming perfect sets of gear to be at the top of RTA, I know what grinding in these games is all about, and making it difficult to break into the highest difficulty PvE stage is pointless for player retention, if anything, it costs them players.

[valid zephyr]

But having the customer is always right is a shit mentality

Reasonable customers are always right

Not all customers

[warped kestrel]

in what minority am I?

[ornate moth]

ngl it would be kinda funny seeing all the ssania users who say it's fine and ppl just are entitled to want endgame gear right away without maxed units would start whining about how now they need maxed units to farm their endgame gear
Not gonna happen tho

[warped kestrel]

Put a sign on your business' door stating that "the customer is not always right" - see how quickly you go out of business.

[royal otter]

Found 1 of the ssania defenders. Just missing 2 more and we get todays bingoo

[turbid ridge]

you have maybe 300 ppl in here commenting maybe 2/3 agree bc most dont give a shit. 90K discord users and 1M downloads. Apprentlly this is not a huge issue.

[true trench]

there's a lot of bars with signs like this and they do well

[robust scarab]

100% true, although i can go complete the hardest pve content in epic 7 and get 50 pieces of usable gear, albeit not perfect.. if i spent a day farming the hardest content in etheria, i would get maybe 5 if even that, nerfing bosses without fixing loot tables does nothing

[drowsy gust]

Again, the full quote is: "The customer is always right in matters of taste". Which definitely applies here. Who the hell wants to manual infernos for hours besides a super small minority

[valid zephyr]

Nice shifting of the goalpost I said dont adopt that mentality as a company policy not to go around and piss off customers

[drowsy gust]

Who the hell wants to put all this effort into infernos only to get shit drops

[valid zephyr]

You clearly have not ran a company before

[ornate moth]

if u think casual players are going to hit 50 and not immediately quit when they see the current difficulty of inferno, your head is in the clouds

[pearl knot]

infernal nerf when

[warped kestrel]

The majority of players haven't reached Inferno, the majority of players aren't playing this game 5-10 hours a day to spend their max refreshes, so obviously everyone who has even touched Inferno is the most dedicated minority. I'm not the minority of people who realize that Inferno is unreasonably difficult, and you're delusional if you think otherwise.

[ornate moth]

u can say it's a minority complaining, but it won't be when more ppl hit 50 lol

[valid zephyr]

I mean Inferno is ovetuned tho

[turbid ridge]

ah yes so those casuals care if they cant clear inferno at 50?

[valid zephyr]

I dont disagree

[turbid ridge]

you guys are full of shit

[open fable]

people will prob hit 50 tmr

[valid zephyr]

But saying that you should listen to customers just because they are paying is such a shit way of running a business

[ornate moth]

clearly your speculation of how other people will act is correct and ours is incorrect lol

[warped kestrel]

I don't care what you or your company adopt as policy, every single successful business has adopted the customer service philosophy that "the customer is always right" - which has a very specific meaning that you probably don't understand because you haven't even held a real job in your life.

[royal otter]

Casuals (Which is the majority of every gacha) dont go to send feedback on discord, they just quit. But hey looks like you want game to EOS i dont know how many games eos before people realize that casuals are very important

[turbid ridge]

Dude you say ALL WILL LEAVE thats diffrent?

[valid zephyr]

Ah yes now the personal attack

[ornate moth]

obviously we don't know but I am confident in my prediction that there will be mass amounts of people quitting if they dont make changes

[valid zephyr]

I mean thanks for showing such maturity

[turbid ridge]

you just cant cope with the fact that ohter ppl might have a edge thats your mindset narcistic

[ornate moth]

LOL

[royal otter]

Lfmao

[ornate moth]

grats on pulling shadow sania bro

[warped kestrel]

I mean, you're the one making it personal with your so-called "mentality" that the customer isn't always right, which really is just some Reddit-tier take from some child that has no idea what that phrase even actually means.

[royal otter]

Just pull better bro

[valid zephyr]

Ah yes more personal attacks

[turbid ridge]

here you see i can cope with it

[valid zephyr]

I am trying to have a discussion

You attack people personally

Good discussion

[ornate moth]

if u want to be able to gear your characters up for PVP in a PVP game without needing 1 specific unit, ur a coping narcissist I guess

[turbid ridge]

main character syndrom

ur not alone

[pearl knot]

wtf are you talking about

[ornate moth]

yeah that's like ur favorite phrase

[turbid ridge]

yeah bc its true

[royal otter]

No wonder you have shit takes, you havent reached the problem and just talking with 0 experience. Got it

[robust scarab]

ive lost the plot at this point, this thread just seems like people arguing now lol

[valid zephyr]

It always was tho

[warped kestrel]

What discussion? There's no discussion to be had. "The customer is always right" is the standard philosophy of every single successful business in every industry that deals with customers. The fact that "you have a different mentality" is irrelevant.

[turbid ridge]

buddy i have s.sania and lily i can clear it if i want i jsut have a diffrent gameplan like most i only farm shells and stack stamina

[valid zephyr]

Thats why I come in every few hours to join in the fun

Flamel is being real entertaining right now

Cant win argument

Proceeds to attack someone personally

If you want to prove a point

Say it

[robust scarab]

idk i was having a decent conversation with Flamel about boss nerfs/loot tables and what is more important to the game state, i wasnt really reading everything else

[turbid ridge]

you cant win bc ur in their turf here.

[valid zephyr]

Not demean people

[turbid ridge]

its like talking in reddit

[royal otter]

And? Lol you just admitted you can only clear with ssania and lily which is the whole point of the argument

How are you this dense

[valid zephyr]

If you are really mature and have a successful job like you imply, you would be using words to convince someone

Not call them a redditor

[turbid ridge]

but i dont do it even if i could i have diffrent plans

[valid zephyr]

[elfin trout]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-yes-gif-18251234252356731757

[ornate moth]

reddit was convinced ssania would be horrible and useless after the nerfs, and right now is between coping that the state of inferno is fine and complaining that Lily is gatekeeping all the content

[turbid ridge]

i dont cry here bc i cant or wont do inferno

[warped kestrel]

I don't know why I get myself baited into arguing with some literal teenager on the internet about their nonsensical philosophies, I must be actually retarded.

[drowsy gust]

Just because a business doesn't cater to karens doesn't mean they're not pursuing a customer is always right strategy. Flamel is right that complete disregard for the customer is not a way to run the business. Even in a bar that has those the customer is not always right signs they always still try to deliver excellent customer service

[royal otter]

Thats your decision. Doesnt change anything about this whole argument.

[turbid ridge]

i bet you wouldnt be here if you had the units

[valid zephyr]

I never said to complete disregard customers.

[drowsy gust]

I didn't, but the devs are the ones doing so a lot of the time

[royal otter]

I would, i have lily and i think they should nerf her

[robust scarab]

not something maomao would do

[warped kestrel]

True

[valid zephyr]

I said that you shouldnt say the customers is always right because its incomplete as a statement and easily misunderstood

[royal otter]

Im not a hypocrite like you

[turbid ridge]

so whats your gameplan if they dont change anything?

[ornate moth]

play a better game lol

[elfin trout]

I don't mind Inferno being something I have to work towards personally. I get that isn't a common perspective on it nor do I think it's right that having SSania is easy mode to clearing inferno

[outer falcon]

people were working largely off of the expectation that inferno would be the same difficulty it was in the beta

which was reasonable at the time

[ornate moth]

that doesn't require 1 hour of manual battles to use daily stamina on farming content if u dont have a specific gacha unit

[royal otter]

There wont be much gameplan. A lot of people will quit. Might be another tribe9 situation lol

[valid zephyr]

Obviously you take feedback and work on it to improve your business but using the word always is such a strong phrase that it builds entitlement

[turbid ridge]

yeah the logic "i leave the game and it will die"

[outer falcon]

anyway the reason hoyo doesn't give away a new 5 star unit every week or whatever is because the customer doesn't actually want that, or the customer would have stopped spending money until they got that

[valid zephyr]

When you use always

It means everytime, everything.

Thats what always means

[turbid ridge]

how they can cope with the 50 ppl they lsoe from this thread

[valid zephyr]

It paints an incomplete picture

[outer falcon]

the customer wants more or less what they've got now, and they're even finally getting story skip, good for those fellas

[warped kestrel]

All the billion dollar companies across every industry that deals with customers must be stupid for using a phrase that contributed to them being multi-billion dollar companies, Heavenz should teach them how to be truly successful* businesses.

[royal otter]

Not just me, if you really think casuals getting fucked in inferno wont leave i dont know what to say to you. Looks like you live in another reality. They wont be logging in after a few days of wiping

[ornate moth]

you're delusional lol

[royal otter]

Dude has to be ragebaiting at this point. He cant be this dense

[turbid ridge]

i jsut enjoy ppl who cant do math

[dreamy cliff]

NGL, the only people i've seen complaning are like 15 of the same names over and over, Everyone is just progressing while they're coping

[ornate moth]

yeah I agree. Generally I don't think farming content to gear up in a PVP focused game should be this difficult. But if it is going to be extremely hard be something to work for, everyone should have to work toward it. Things like this pic are ridiculous

[turbid ridge]

true

[outer falcon]

the Customer™ would prefer to get everything for free, but the customer is usually a decently reasonable person in aggregate and understands that a business needs to exist to provide its services to them. pretending the customer is some slobbering idiot doesn't make sense

[turbid ridge]

if they leave the revenue will be in shambles

[valid zephyr]

Exactly tho, but thats what the rage was about in 1st anniv. Online communities was up in arms about the anniv rewards but clearly Mihoyo knew that thats not what majority of people wanted. It was mostly just noise and as long as they worked on what was important people would stay. Just because something is loud nowadays doesnt mean it must necessary be the majority opinion

[elfin trout]

Agreed

[ornate moth]

u literally said u have shadow sania and are using her to farm inferno lmao

I'm progressing still, I have 2 monitors

[royal otter]

Because most people dont go on discrod to send feedback?

[outer falcon]

the customer was still right in that situation though. if enough whales pulled spending things would've changed

[turbid ridge]

you do alot of assumptions you know

[outer falcon]

people may misuse it but that doesn't mean the customer isn't always right, just that people don't always understand what the customer is

[dreamy cliff]

I farmed shadow yday, I don't think i'll invest it in for a while since regardless I can't yet farm the inferno content to go along with the shells I farm

[drowsy gust]

For every one person on this server there's probably like 50 people who just saw a cool anime phone game and wanted something to do at work

[ornate moth]

you're making a massive assumption that the only people who will have an issue with the inferno difficulty are the hardcore dedicated players currently complaining

[elfin trout]

Statistically speaking he's right. 1m downloads. 90k in disc

[royal otter]

Its not even an assumption lmao.

[dreamy cliff]

so i'm farming terror hell 4 to maximize my DPS set and eventually clear more stuff

[valid zephyr]

But they werent right though.

[warped kestrel]

Correct, the customer is always right as long as the customer is reasonable - and the customer is almost always reasonable, as expected, because people aren't total animals, and when they aren't reasonable and behave like animals, they just get banned from the business.

[turbid ridge]

i cant follow could you explain this?

[drowsy gust]

Their money is though

[valid zephyr]

Yea but they still spent despite not getting the supposed raged about free 5*

[ornate moth]

I mean ur saying we are here whining instead of progressing tho, I've cleared inferno doki & sharon, hell 4 on auto battle for terror/aurora, working on more skill ups and upgrades still

[turbid ridge]

So we have 1m downloads. 90k in disc i say the same 50 ppl who complain are nothing in the bigger picture but your argument is Everyone will leave bc reasons

[royal otter]

Lol no wonder

[ornate moth]

bro do u think ur being somehow more logical and reasonable by thinking that 50 ppl noticing an issue are only representative of themselves and no other players out of 1 million downloads will have similar issues when they get to lv 50?

[warped kestrel]

The people complaining here are the section of the very small percentage of most dedicated players who don't have Lily + SSania. The vast, vast majority of players haven't made it to Inferno yet, and once they do, they'll have a far harder time than anyone here.

[turbid ridge]

okay just for the fun how many of 1M would that be

[drowsy gust]

So if you want to use the full quote like heavenz keeps demanding or else we're just Karens then the full quote is "The customer is always right in matters of taste". Do you honestly think the majority of people think this is okay? Do you think the majority of customers for this game have a taste for manualling for long times or getting over this massive hurdle that is inferno for shit drops?

[valid zephyr]

Exactly my point tho if you said their money does. That would mean that if they were right. MHY would have suffered a lose revenue. But they didnt. Anniv was one of the highest spending patches that year. If the customers and their money was right, they would have not spent their money and revenue would have dropped

[tardy ridge]

skill issue bro they respected the mechanics and took 7m later

[valid zephyr]

No I dont think is right tho

[dreamy cliff]

Then why are you crying? Go farm the inferno content you can right now and get upgrades so you can eventually clear the rest of the inferno content, you know some other teams will come up instead of Ssania... I can't even clear inferno sharon or doki yet, why not just go farm those until U get better modules for the rest of the content?

[valid zephyr]

But I dont think dumbing down the content so you can bullhead through it with any comp is the right idea either

[elfin trout]

Just imagine how fast that clear would be with the pre-"nerf" SSania

[dreamy cliff]

I farm what I can and do with what I got

[ornate moth]

bc I want the game to succeed and it is not going to if they dont make adjustments

[turbid ridge]

logic doesnt apply here be carefull

[upbeat breach]

You dont want to compare a team designed to do the boss vs a team that does absolutely nothing related to the boss fight right?

[drowsy gust]

Because the anni fiasco was terminally online stuff. If you don't watch content creators then you would've just been cruising along in Genshin and being surprised by some anni rewards. With inferno, you can't avoid it whether you're terminally online or not

[warped kestrel]

This image is priceless, laughed my ass off.

[ornate moth]

yeah man ur so logical

[valid zephyr]

Fair point I guess

[dreamy cliff]

They will make adjustments, they're not going to nerf every bosses to the ground just so people can farm them as soon as they hit 50... I believe they will nerf boss HP/Attack/Def pretty soon

[true trench]

you are already dumbing it down yourself by using unethical cheater units like ssania and lily

[elfin trout]

They should nerf enrage timers

[ornate moth]

I never said they should nerf bosses to the ground so everyone can farm as soon as they hit 50 lol

[tardy ridge]

can jin and bouchys go clear terror inferno with their lian already

[elfin trout]

Shit gets out of hand too fast

[tardy ridge]

oh wait

she cant

😭

[upbeat breach]

And they wont even nerf that much. People will have to accept that inferno will be hard and that is it

[royal otter]

There is an image 4 coments above this where a 3 man ssania with 5 stars are clearing in 23 seconds. What are you even on about

[scarlet quartz]

Real and true

[dreamy cliff]

By "adjustments" you clearly mean nerfs...

[drowsy gust]

It's an exagerrated example of course but even then people who aren't as hardcore as we are on this server are gonna struggle to this degree here especially if they don't own the right units

[valid zephyr]

Ah yes units that are strong are unethical. If thats the case every game would be perfectly balanced like Thanos wanted

[ornate moth]

yes. Not "nerf to the ground" or "nerf so much that ppl can immediately farm when they hit 50"

[upbeat breach]

So they will have to keep farming hell for a while and that is it

[dreamy cliff]

and so what?

[royal otter]

Ajustments not the same as nerf to the ground lmao

[turbid ridge]

Well good news for us if you 50 ppl quit soon right? show some backbone vote with your wallet

if they dont nerf it

[upbeat breach]

They need to nerf like 10-15% max, nothing more

[true trench]

what wallet? we're all f2p gods here and not some filthy paypigs

[royal otter]

you basically say omg just build your teams meanwhile shit like the picture happens. How are you this ignorant

[tardy ridge]

there are people 60+ that still cant beat inferno but go off defenders

[upbeat breach]

Every single boss can be done without sania, so what is the issue now?

[tardy ridge]

🥀

[upbeat breach]

skill issue

[royal otter]

With a 3 man team 0 investment 2 5star? Yeah sure

[scarlet quartz]

Someone call Luigi

[valid zephyr]

Find me one PVP game where the units are perfectly balanced and theres perfect counters for everything

[upbeat breach]

inferno need to be nerfed ? yes
you cant farm a single inferno boss? skill issue

[ornate moth]

inferno hoyan can't be beaten on auto battle even by lv 60 whales with crazy gear. Farming content btw

meanwhile shadow sania team with 3/4 units can clear in 23 seconds

[upbeat breach]

YOu can do with other dotters, without using sania

[tardy ridge]

like the 1 dude nicoplays whatever the fuck his dumbass name is

[valid zephyr]

You can if you have SSania

[mental mural]

How do you clear inferno terrormaton?

[drowsy gust]

And you're not getting that video game companies hire psychologists for a reason. Inferno is a massive brick wall to all the progress people were gradually making. As you unlock things, you can put your foot in the door a little if you can't clear it off the rip. For inferno it feels like you're being smothered in the cradle and to lots of people this can feel really bad which could contribute to them slowly falling out of favour with the game

[elfin trout]

Tbh discord threads are a pretty balanced pvp game

[tardy ridge]

that guy copied a team and thinks hes a genius

[upbeat breach]

veronika

[ornate moth]

ppl keep saying this but there is zero proof

[fossil flicker]

All the negativity and hate ya’ll are spreading are doing far worse for the game then inferno balancing btw

[dreamy cliff]

10% Attack/Def/HP as well as little bit less resistance for more debuff consistancy seems plenty enough tbh, while I agree they should tune down the content, They still need to monitor for a little bit to see what people comes up with... We're still testing plenty of things out there! What if your team requires a little more investment to work?

[scarlet quartz]

Or God forbid people miss units

[scarlet quartz]

Not enough

[mental mural]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeong-gif-3654754744145897317

[upbeat breach]

You are missing units for every single inferno fight? lol

[ornate moth]

a specific feedback thread on discord is not doing shit for the public perception of the game lol

[scarlet quartz]

I am not

I know people that do

[valid zephyr]

Not really some people are mods and they just ban you when they lose

[upbeat breach]

It is basically impossible to not have enough units for a single inferno fight

[royal otter]

"Nah trust me bro you can do it, meanwhile ill just clear with Ssania on auto while comenting here on discord" Thats how they sound like.

[scarlet quartz]

A single isn't helping you

[mental mural]

They better release a Veronica limited banner tomorrow then

[true trench]

just gear up bro!

you'll beat it when you gear up!

im doing hell1 on auto btw

[upbeat breach]

can also run the wall comp with shield pet

[tardy ridge]

there are for sure people missing diting/cachi/kazuyo etc

[true trench]

keep on farming bro

[tardy ridge]

even with 500+ pulls

[upbeat breach]

you farm one and build up to farm the rest.....

[mental mural]

This makes 0 sense

[fossil flicker]

Right. So I just started - every other thread on Reddit and discord is hate… sure your “feedback” is doing great 😊

[scarlet quartz]

You are either room temp iq or ragebaiting

[mental mural]

Name the units

[dreamy cliff]

You will not get every units in the game in 500 pulls, the game is not a race it's a marathon... Everyone will have the required units to farm anything in a month or so

[turbid ridge]

they cant bc those ppl cant cope that OTHER ppl can do something they cant do

[outer falcon]

they could try improving things people dislike

[scarlet quartz]

Do you get units from Doki Doki inferno?

I forgot

[ornate moth]

reddit is a toxic hellsite all the time it has nothing to do with this discord thread

[true trench]

i am making fun of people like you but im not surprised you couldnt understand the bit

[upbeat breach]

It works, not saying that is good or fast, just that it can be done

[ornate moth]

and discord has been toxic since they did a shadow nerf

before ppl even unlocked inferno

[scarlet quartz]

🤡

[tired socket]

Reality of a free market, ur product sucks word spreads

[upbeat breach]

DOT, veronika, or sustain comp for terror, you have to choose one

[tardy ridge]

those are sr units that are key to inferno for a low spender/f2p

what are yo talking about

[upbeat breach]

niconana can be done without sania too

[drowsy gust]

Yeah the devs have been fumbling a lot so of course people are upset especially since they were amazing during the betas so this complete 180 is making things even worse

[dreamy cliff]

You will get them, only not in 500 pulls

[upbeat breach]

doki can be done with multiple teams

[drowsy gust]

We have a bar to judge them by

[valid zephyr]

Also thats another thing right. Most of the people are just salty that they DONT HAVE SSANIA. I can reassure you that most of the people here if they got SSania wouldnt be complaining in this thread

[tardy ridge]

people have the craziest takes

i swear

[royal otter]

Can confirm they are roomtemp iq

[upbeat breach]

Just because inferno has to be nerfed doesnt mean it has to go back to beta levels, that was pure shit

[true trench]

i have ssania and im complaining because it quite literally is bullshit

[ornate moth]

if u have the single unit that doesn't have issues, you wouldn't notice the issues! Yeah wow

[dreamy cliff]

Like what? You're saying everyone should be guarenteed a diting/kazuyo/valerian/cachi & more within 500 pulls? NO. this is gacha game

[mental mural]

700pulls*

[valid zephyr]

I mean yea but theres no need to attack other people for having them which is what half of this chat does

[tardy ridge]

no man being locked out of farming content because you didnt pull them is the issue

like what

LMAO

[true trench]

spend all my juicy lettuce on a massiah and he does jack shit while my half naked ssania farts in a direction combined with a random SR and things fall over