inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[mental mural]

Says the guy stuck on hell 3

[brave heath]

theres people who have used all possible resources, even tho its a bad long term decision, and spent thousands on this game

[ornate moth]

from who? If you’re referring to my post saying people have found SR units to do the job, I was not talking about every fight

[brave heath]

they still cant clear the majority of inferno content

but the level 40 h3 hardstuck noob is saying its good 🤣

laughable

[mental mural]

I'm using Sania for that right now lol

[ornate moth]

evi is the only person I ever saw clear it without ssania and he used Lily

[ocean bay]

hoyan clear be like

[brave heath]

and it was prob manual with super low success

[ornate moth]

yeah he said it was manual and giga rng with a lot of resets and he wasn’t going to attempt it again after the first clear because of how inconsistent it would be

and not auto viable

[mental mural]

EtherLily Reroll

[wheat elk]

does Hell3 on auto as f2p without wasting gems on refills or having any LD SSR or Kloss etc, I'm more than happy with that, if anything I was expecting to auto Hell3 in like a week+ lol, but seems this game is much easier than E7 even when Im very unlucky on pulls as well

[brave heath]

if we had our resident level 40 able to enter hoyan inferno tho he'd clear it with his 7 years of top 20% e7 rta experience f2p god

[ornate moth]

too true

[tired socket]

or he just wanted to show off ssania teams CAN JUST DO THAT

[mental mural]

We could do that as f2p two weeks ago lil bro
You are cooking

[tired socket]

[mental mural]

Show team
I'm curious about something

[brave heath]

i was doing hell 4 as soon as i hit level 35 but good shit lil bro you're only 5 levels ahead and 1 stage behind

[wheat elk]

what is top 20%? I said I was max rank, I was rank 1 in Arena and top 100 RTA, rank 23 to be more precise, as F2p, including having my own guild in top 3 GW ranks

[ornate moth]

behind in some other ways but I shouldn’t go there

[brave heath]

top 20% means you were top 20% in the world in e7

[mental mural]

Fried that arrogant prick 😂

[brave heath]

congratulations on being top 20%

[mental mural]

"I was"
"Epic 7"
"Top top top"
"Arena"
Brother we don't care about your epic 7 experience

[wheat elk]

Being rank 23 on RTA as F2P while theres 100k+ players playing it, if you think thats nothing, then ur delusional, on best PvP gacha game too

[brave heath]

if you rounded up 100 players that play e7 randomly, you would be better than at least 80 of them on average after 7 years of f2pgod experience congrats @wheat elk

i am proud for you

[mental mural]

Dragon ball legends is the best pvp gacha game and im top 100 in pvp
Useless argument

[wheat elk]

I was always highest rank in E7, not just after 7 years, literally from first year I was always Legend rank on every PvP mode

[brave heath]

what rank are you in dragon ball legends @wheat elk

[distant wedge]

i have 50 million power in rise of kingdoms

[ornate moth]

this is like if someone was talking about elden ring boss difficulty, and someone came in and said “well I just cleared the tutorial on elden ring, but I played a lot of dark souls 1, so I can confidently tell you that boss you’re talking about is designed perfectly. Have I ever faced him? No”

[wheat elk]

Ok, best is subjective, I mean most pupular, how many players play in DB RTA?

[mental mural]

How this guy is feeling himself up right now

[brave heath]

like 8 million active rta players on db legends right? @mental mural

and you're top 100 so if you do the math

[mental mural]

Omg im dead

[brave heath]

you are like INFINITELY better than he is as top 20% e7

[ornate moth]

I was rank 23 on bloons tower defense 5 pvp leaderboard

[ocean bay]

ok not to be that guy lovely but unless this aint ur channel

im looking at a lot of champ frames

[mental mural]

I'm actually top 0.001%

What about you @wheat elk

[brave heath]

4 0's actually

hes top 20% out of 100k so he would be approximately top 20%

[mental mural]

He's acting like he's some generational football talent while in reality he's just a kid getting shipped out to saudi

[ocean bay]

well he's also just blatantly lying

which is kinda hilarious

[wheat elk]

Thats, me and I sold my acc, I was top 30 RTA when it got released and everyone was playing it beside that I dont really grind it since it give you 0 rewards just like most players, but I still ocasionally push top 100 when I was streaming for few days in a row, beside that I didnt had time to play enough games to push top 100, thats why I also quit the game, coz is very grindy in RTA and you have to play it everyday to keep ur rank. Anyway you can see my account that it clearly has Top lvl gear and all the chars beside very few I didnt need

[mental mural]

@wheat elk as a top 100 in Dblegends and you being whatever you are in epic 7
Who do you think has the more impressive record?

[ocean bay]

yes but you cant claim to be top 100 in rta if u dont have legend frames

not how tht works

ive also been in legend for half a season

[wheat elk]

go ask google whats most pupular RTA game lol

[ocean bay]

but if you dont finish legend its not top 100

[ornate moth]

make your own thread called "hey guys I was really good at epic 7" then this is for lv 50+ players to talk about inferno

[ocean bay]

hitting and actually finishing legend are a completely different thing

[mental mural]

Nah
The difference in downloads is enough for me

[wheat elk]

I was holding top 30 all the time when I was playing it daily on stream lol, I just couldnt do it all the time coz this is just a side game for me lol?

[ornate moth]

damn put in a coffin

[wheat elk]

what is this lol? clearly thats not me?

[mental mural]

Omg im dead
This is too funny

[wheat elk]

Nice try

[brave heath]

you just sent the mesasge?

message*

[mental mural]

When's the last time epic 7 was trending on X?
Curious

[split halo]

I can’t get any good rolls

[mental mural]

https://tenor.com/view/mati-bodoh-bangang-keranda-menari-gif-16794411

[wheat elk]

Everyone knows that every game gacha that is made from an anime is trash, no offense to DB players

[ocean bay]

e7 is objectively the most popular rta game alongside sw

its also a pretty nonexistent genre

[distant wedge]

[mental mural]

Which is why it's doing 10X better than epic mid 7 right?

[ocean bay]

he's talking about rta games tho

not general gachas

look at love and deepspace 💀

[mental mural]

Show your hell 3 team lil bro

[ocean bay]

we way off topic tho

[wheat elk]

In what is doing better? like everyone knows E7 is best and most pupular gacha game, I quit it and I still can admit that lol

[carmine palm]

can't be off topic, the topic finished conclusively after top 70% puzzle and dragons player MyLovelyForm chimed in

[brave heath]

na hes top 20% in e7 rta

[ocean bay]

Yea I mean i get you have experience lovelyform, but tbf its hard to explain till you actually hit inferno

[brave heath]

7 years f2p god

[mental mural]

Then why is way less played?
Has way less downloads?
Has way less content?
Doesn't trend like legends?
Can't even make 10% of what legends makes
Explain yourself

[ocean bay]

its just generally overtuned, but rather its overtuned compared to how piss easy dottable stages are

[ornate moth]

everyone knows [completely false thing]

[thick arch]

would anyone use this in inf. I know revelation is better but I'm not getting any useable sets

[mental mural]

Terrormaton

[brave heath]

i dont even know what most of these are

and they pop up before e7

🤣

[wheat elk]

rank 19 in a ladder where theres 160k+ players, why you keep saying top 20%? you know how percentages works ?

[mental mural]

@wheat elk the god of all free 2 players and master of epic 7

[brave heath]

thats in the top 20%

[ornate moth]

momentum fury is probably the more minmax combo but diting, khloros, massiah (outside of dokidoki) would like that

[brave heath]

do you know how percentages work?

[ornate moth]

mods please rename this thread it is now an epic 7 flex thread

[mental mural]

Legends has over 1 million players lil bro
It's time to concede

[wheat elk]

Tbh i didnt even know DB is even a big game, I just cant take gacha games made as bait from animes seriously, I know 99,99% of them are just milking machines

[mental mural]

They make like 15 million from new releases in a month

And the game is actually peak

[wheat elk]

does DB have all servers connected like in E7?

[mental mural]

Way better than epic 7
How do i know?
I played both

[mental mural]

Yes

[crude sparrow]

[wheat elk]

Sure you prob like the DB anime, so yeah ofc as DB enjoyer you prob like that more

[mental mural]

I've never seen epic 7 trending on X

[mental mural]

Denial and cope

[wheat elk]

Sorry I dont use X

[mental mural]

When was the last time it was trending on Facebook then?

[brave heath]

i've unironically seen more people talk about db legends than e7 outside of this discord no1 talking about e7 ever

the games very niche bro lol

[ornate moth]

I had never heard of epic 7 until I started watching videos about etheria

[wheat elk]

I mean DB is like one of the most pupular anime IP, so I would be suprise if they wouldnt

[brave heath]

i only know of e7 because of sw

outside of sw and this discord

[mental mural]

Epic 7 is for the old no life gooners who want to slave the game for 7 years like Mr @wheat elk here

[brave heath]

nobody has every talked about e7

rofl

[crude sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p8wTOr8AbU&ab_channel=GlennDirkx

[wheat elk]

No offence but people in gachas that hide behind popular anime IPs, they get most of their players from the IP fanbase

[thick arch]

SPD > crit for diting? both max rolls

[mental mural]

Everyone calls it the epic 7 and summoners war killer
Which is evident of how shit those games are

[brave heath]

ye and most people who get into e7 randomly downloaded a game off the app store lol

[wheat elk]

Like same thing happened with Solo Leveling gacha

[ornate moth]

I'd take the crit tbh, idk speed might be better in some situations or for PVP but in my experience makes speed tuning a pain in PVE

[mental mural]

@wheat elk which game is doing better and is more popular?
Easiest question of your life

[wheat elk]

You know a gacha is good when is very pupular without having a IP behind it or a big gacha company

[brave heath]

i wouldnt call e7 very popular

the games been out for 7 years and nobody mentions it ever

besides people playing a similar niche gacha game

[ornate moth]

genshin is popular, therefore it's a good game. Interesting take lol

[wheat elk]

Popular? DB for sure lol

[mental mural]

Isn't it like one of 3 rta gacha games?

[thick arch]

I've never heard of db legends bro

[mental mural]

And which is doing better?

[brave heath]

summoners war is really good bro i promise 🤣

[crude sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Er-jNHWFfMY?feature=share

[wheat elk]

I dont think if more players play a game that it means is better, Genshin have more players than Wuwa but Wuwa is clearly a better game

[mental mural]

And that's fine

[torpid willow]

We can use this thread to talk about the problems in Inferno. You can use the general one for off-topic 💀

[thick arch]

the only db I've seen in the last decade are console fighters and shitty idle mobile ads

[mental mural]

I had never heard of epic 7 until I researched it

[wheat elk]

If you never heard of E7 but you start this game, something si wrong with you

[ornate moth]

LOOOL

[brave heath]

pick one

[mental mural]

But never the top grossing gacha in Japan and the US
Fairs

[ornate moth]

dang promote this guy to XD's chief of marketing

[mental mural]

Lacking reading comprehension skills as well?

[wheat elk]

Both are pupular, but E7 is not caried by a big IP like DB lol, which is much more impressive, no offence but DB gacha would be a dead game if they didnt had the big IP and random characters nobody knows

[ornate moth]

very clearly

[mental mural]

I don't feel very humble right now cuz of you @wheat elk

[brave heath]

you didnt pick which statement you agreed with after contradicting yourself

[ornate moth]

top 20% epic 7, bottom 20% reading comprehension skill

[mental mural]

I've tried epic 7 and db legends
Legends is way better

[thick arch]

I gotta try it out while farming outpost and shadow prints

[wheat elk]

cool, ur a DB fan, also what try means? how far you got into E7?

[mental mural]

You should if you are you get tons of summons currently

[brave heath]

"ur game is only higher rated and more popular than my dead game cuz people like dragon ball"

[wheat elk]

Trying means nothing lol, I head people saying I tried BDO but I didnt like it, im lvl 25 btw

[ornate moth]

how far you get into etheria restart before commenting on the state of lv 50 mode difficulty? Oh yeah, level 40

[mental mural]

Played it for 2 weeks and I dropped it

[clever tapir]

Yo.... its still going on? Its been 3 hrs😭

[mental mural]

It's an extreme difficulty pvp game

[clever tapir]

U all have too much time...

[mental mural]

You need all your senses to win

[ornate moth]

lmao, unstoppable force meets immovable object situation

[wheat elk]

OK, please tell me, how much pupular would DB gacha game be if they didnt had DB IP and random characters? lets see if ur smart or not

[brave heath]

i got to rank 15 on the e7 rta ladder, which is at least top 18%, and i didnt really like the game in the end only played for 2 years f2p it's pretty stale in comparison to sw and db legends

[thick arch]

is there not something like playstore db that steamdb has to see actual current players instead of some download count

[mental mural]

Also I am not biased
I tried both
One was better
That's all

[wheat elk]

2 weeks* oh yeah so you did like nothing, cool, you didnt even played most fun contents, ofc you wont like it

[brave heath]

there would be at least 1 less player due to it not being dragon ball based

[ornate moth]

this is me but like unironically

[mental mural]

Still better than epic 7

[mental mural]

I learned mostly every content it had in those 2 weeks

Mid game

[wheat elk]

You can say what you want, DB is clearly just IP caried and yeah is more pupular, doesnt make it the better game though

[clever tapir]

Store ratings are untrustable tbh and doesnt reflect the activity of a game

[ornate moth]

do you see the irony in you telling someone they didn't get far enough into epic 7 to have a real opinion on it, while also giving your opinions about etheria's inferno mode while not being even close to level 50 yet

[brave heath]

honestly the fact that epic seven requires an "install" while db legends just lets you hit play speaks volumes for how bad e7 must be since you've already gave it a try

db legends might just be the goat

[wheat elk]

Every gacha player know IP caried gacha games are bad and just made to milk their players

[mental mural]

Okay how much worse would it be without the ip?

[mental mural]

I've been trying to quit legends for 3 FUCKING YEARS
Every game has failed

[wheat elk]

First off it would not last that many years, I watched it, most people that play it play it coz they fans of DB lol

[mental mural]

When legends is trending on X you know it's active lol

[wheat elk]

What even new characters you get in DB gacha btw? 20 variants of Goku or what lol

[mental mural]

How is legends bad?

[outer falcon]

You're all so passionate about inferno difficulty. Wow!

[brave heath]

wow epic seven is really popular

[mental mural]

So they are no dragon ball fans that play epic 7?
Garbage argument as always

[wheat elk]

Thanks for proving my point, that being popular doesnt mean better with Genshin Impact

[brave heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384230665461170346/1385412802554101771/image.png?ex=6855f9b7&is=6854a837&hm=9ca13f82c36e35b81d0004a5ae15e461493523728cf11d5bf28f4a70d9bd5953&

your point was infact the opposite

but ok

[mental mural]

Yes
And they all make $5million minimum

[mental mural]

Wevaint even talking about that anymore

[brave heath]

be me, somebody proves my point wrong, instantly agree that my point was wrong but say "thats what i was saying bro!"

[outer falcon]

I can tell you're the sharpest one here fr

[mental mural]

Of course
I am humble honest and insightful

[wheat elk]

E7 didnt get their players coz they used a big anime IP, they get their players because game is very good, is a PvP gacha released 7+ years ago that is still very popular without getting caried by any big IP behind it

[mental mural]

And I dont rage bait for fun

[brave heath]

neither did sw so why does epic seven struggle?

[ornate moth]

this is a thread for talking about what rank we are in epic 7 pvp leaderboards now

[wheat elk]

very original, clearly not just Goku fans

[mental mural]

They gained their players cuz people like pvp gacha games

[outer falcon]

Oh cool. I'm looks at 3 used wings this season top 120,000 in summoners war

[wheat elk]

SW is like Genshin is, they were first, Genshin was first but WUwa is better, same as SW was first but E7 is better

[mental mural]

Yes
Clearly not just people enjoying the game and summoning for new units like in every gacha game
Very original indeed

[brave heath]

why so little e7 players tho and so many sw

you said more popular if ur game is better?

[wheat elk]

Ok show me last 3 characters released in DB gacha

[brave heath]

so sw must be better than e7, even after e7 copied it

[wheat elk]

Why theres more players in Genshin than WUwa?

[brave heath]

by your logic, cuz genshin is better

[ornate moth]

nice, we will have to wait and see whether this boomer deems that good or not tho

[mental mural]

We just had 4

They released 4 units yesterday

[wheat elk]

How this make any sense? why would a copy get more players than original?

[wheat elk]

show them to me

[brave heath]

well, db legends "copied" e7

and it has way more players

so idk why would it

[mental mural]

The designs?

[brave heath]

probably cuz if its a better game they would get more players

[wheat elk]

Ye how they look

[outer falcon]

Honestly for a decade old game I think 120k+ accounts not just being active but being active enough to participate in live PvP is pretty damn strong

[ornate moth]

fortnite "copied" pubg and got way more popular lol

[mental mural]

Peak screen btw

Beautiful

[outer falcon]

You should look up how Microsoft succeeded

[brave heath]

the craziest part is theres a LOT of people who play actively and do 0 rta games every season

[wheat elk]

Im sorry but as a non DB fan , that does nothing to me

[mental mural]

We actually get live combat animation in legends between
Like in the anime

[mental mural]

It looks better than the ones in epic 7

[brave heath]

so many people in sw are scared of doing rta cuz they think they're gonna queue into some gigawhale at fighter 2

[wheat elk]

See as I was saying, most DB gacha players are the DB anime enjoyers, thats why we cant compare

[brave heath]

(they might tbh)

[wheat elk]

DB looks very outdated if ur not a fan or nostalgia baited btw

[mental mural]

@wheat elk beautifully designed as well

[brave heath]

this guys so mad db legends cooks e7 lol

[mental mural]

Another braindead argument

[outer falcon]

They actually added the ability to see people's highest ever finish rank in a recent qol update so you get to claim with evidence when that does happen now

[mental mural]

He's in denial

[outer falcon]

Really funny

[brave heath]

LMFAO no shot thats so dumb

[mental mural]

If I actually show the legends gameplay he will cry

[brave heath]

i havent played in a year or 2 but

[outer falcon]

It saves a lot of time because of you're legit silver 2 you can just exit from a g2 match immediately

[ornate moth]

the stubbornness is kind of remarkable

[brave heath]

i guess ye

[wheat elk]

I mean arent they just basic DB characters, I really cant see how non DB anime fans would like this tbh, this is a 20+ old artstyle, looks very oudated without having any nostalgia for it

[brave heath]

if i dont play the season i want to smurf on fighter 3s tho

[mental mural]

Hrs like that Japanese soldier meme who kept fighting 20 years after ww2 was over

[brave heath]

how can you mess with meme units if they leave..

[outer falcon]

The hallmark of an underdeveloped sense of aesthetics is a marked concern with the age of a given style over its merits on their own terms...

[mental mural]

Cry
This looks better than anything in epic 7
Enjoy your pixels

[brave heath]

but tbh if i played rn just cuz power creep fighter 3s might somehow win idk how bad its been

was c3 like 2 years ago

[ornate moth]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[outer falcon]

Nah you'd definitely still get at least C1

The issue would just be drafting sense

[brave heath]

probably but either way no plan on going back to sw atm

[wheat elk]

Art and anime was good for its time, but things evolved, thats why I cant get into OnePiece too, people dont understand how outdated this things looks if you dont have any nostalgia for them

[brave heath]

i just get mad rofl

[mental mural]

@wheat elk you've slaved epic 7 for 7 years
I understand you not wanting to concede to facts but learn when to sit down and accept your L homie

[outer falcon]

I feel it

[mental mural]

Ok

[ornate moth]

less talking about DB Legends art style, more leveling up to 50 so you can try inferno

chop chop

[wheat elk]

I mean you still slave for a 20+ anime, DBZ ended bro, let it go

[brave heath]

last time i played besides on my main i was jus tplaying a lucifer alt and didnt get leo after a LOT of scam stone summons on his rotation

close the game and havent been on since

[outer falcon]

My young niece has begged her mom to watch 1998 edition pokemon every day this month

[mental mural]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-instinct-dodge-dragon-ball-legends-goku-mui-gif-26164943

[outer falcon]

My vision turns red when I read scam stones

[mental mural]

Bait

[brave heath]

i have no attachment to old anime, and i watched akira and can still appreciate it

you're just delusional coping lol

[mental mural]

I dont slave unlike you btw

[brave heath]

1988 btw

[ornate moth]

I bet her rank in epic 7 is laughable tho

[mental mural]

He needs to grind up fr
He's not ready to face me in arena

[wheat elk]

U are still stuck with DBZ IP, dont lie

[brave heath]

wow evangelion also looks good and its 1997

[outer falcon]

This guy is like r slash gacha gaming posters talking about a game having outdated models because you can't see the dimples on your waifu's ass. I just like how my Doki's wheels spin bro it's not that deep

[wheat elk]

I am stuck to nothing

[brave heath]

you are stuck to e7 pretending its not turbogapped by db legends

(it is)

[mental mural]

If epic 7 was a good game I would be playing it instead of dragon ball legends

[outer falcon]

She sucks at Mario but I'll never tell her

[wheat elk]

I quit E7 when it wasnt fun for me anymore, meanwhile you sitll stuck with DBZ after 30 years

[pastel inlet]

When is this going back to inferno megathread?

[ornate moth]

so peak man

[brave heath]

never.

[brave heath]

na bro cgi looks so much better nowadays shows are the goat!!

[wheat elk]

If E7 would have DBZ characters,you would play it 100%

[mental mural]

Says the guy still slaving epic mid 7 in big 25

[ornate moth]

yeah I want every animated show character to look like the grubhub ads

[mental mural]

It wasn't fun anymore meanwhile legends is always fun
We have a winner

[wheat elk]

First of all I quit E7, im not stuck to anything, sold my f2p acc for 2.2k

[mental mural]

Not with how shit it is

[outer falcon]

I was about to defend your right to play what makes you happy, but now I find out you're a mercenary charlatan

Get the hell out of here

[wheat elk]

lol?

[outer falcon]

Should've known from the wuwa tag...

[mental mural]

Best gacha but you quit cuz it wasn't even

[ornate moth]

I think you need to use words with fewer syllables to get through to him

[outer falcon]

Ikr that's what makes it funny

[wheat elk]

I just dont understand what he means

Just confused

[ornate moth]

LOL

[brave heath]

jarvis what is 2.2k divided by 365*7

[wheat elk]

He care that I quit E7 or I sold acc?

[outer falcon]

I need a beer

[wheat elk]

having fun for 7 years for free in a game, for me thats priceless

[mental mural]

I'll be honest here @wheat elk
At this point im just clowning on you for fun so I'll just leave
Enjoy hell 3 terrormaton
I'll be trying to grind inferno mode while you do that

[brave heath]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-erase-gif-1159901542694943356

i made $0.85 a day im pretty good

[ornate moth]

how much was spent tho lol

[brave heath]

well he said f2p

[wheat elk]

Cool, this is just a gacha game, please hit me up later on in 1-2 months and lets see where we both are xD

[brave heath]

hit me up on e7 right now and lets see where your current rank is

[proven breach]

Bro
You need to either make it easier or at least make it easier to grind modules to fight Nightmare

[ornate moth]

yeah it's getting a little stale, someone ping me if you see an inferno hoyan clear without ssania or a new terrormaton strat that doesn't involve 4 artisans or having khloros/veronika

[wheat elk]

Havent even decided if Ill still play this game, I just wanna see how far F2p can get you in this game, I stick with E7 for 7 years coz it was very f2p friendly

Competing with whales as f2p was very fun and having my own guild since day 1 and made a 700+ memebers Discord community only from that, that was pretty fun to me

[mental mural]

Why should I care where you are in 2 months?

[mental mural]

Did the same with legends but I actually have over 800 members

[wheat elk]

Coz you brag to me that you grind Hell 3 now? meanwhile I do auto Hell 4 doki so

[thick arch]

so it's 4 RNG based cards you can use as a somewhat dumbed-down fighting game for mobile?

[mental mural]

It's very different from what you're thinking

[thick arch]

I was watching vids of the dragon rush thing

[mental mural]

Rising rush?

[thick arch]

yea

[wheat elk]

Also im sure DB is a much fun game for you if ur the anime fan, just know that non anime fans wont see it the way you see it as well

[brave heath]

post a result of your 10 runs for the class

[mental mural]

Then why im i playing etheria,

[mental mural]

There are a lot of mechanics in it and rng is definitely involved to some extent

[wheat elk]

coz is a new gacha game?

I assume you didnt play E7 when it got released?

[thick arch]

the only time I saw crazy stuff was for the instant choice thing where you lose or win. That looked pretty nice

[wheat elk]

Is very different yo start a gacha when it get released and play with everyone form the same start line

Comparing to start E7 now after people grind it for 7 years

Where it feels is like impossible to catch up

[thick arch]

yo I did w13 in 3 days! First PvP match vs 300 SPD ran in bronze

😭

[wheat elk]

when game released, you were a god if you could manual Golem7

xD

[mental mural]

???

[wheat elk]

for first few weeks

[thick arch]

the blue or red button you spam a few times

[mental mural]

Show screenshot

[wheat elk]

Anyway now back to the actual best gacha game atm aka Wuwa

[thick arch]

it's called overdrive attack

[wheat elk]

Crazy how better the game got in 2.2+

[mental mural]

It got introduced yesterday

[wheat elk]

And prob best character/combat design in gacha with Cartethya

[mental mural]

It's a new thing in the game

[mental mural]

#off-topic-misc

[gilded mirage]

When they have LD banners up you can buy tickets for them

[thick arch]

so any new inferno teams today

I haven't seen anything since the yvone pin

idk if there was another thread for the actual team comps

[ornate moth]

turns out shadow sania is rly good

jk but I haven't rly seen anything super new today

[thick arch]

I need a viper so bad

I got desperate and used all my pulls and gems for another 4 SSR. but I got a hein dupe

bro still oneshot in aurora with that 5% of a joke

why does hein exist

FrogeFurious

[mental mural]

Aurora inferno team without lily?

[ornate moth]

this was apparently the first clear on asia server

[clever tapir]

drama ended?

[ornate moth]

seems like it, probably was bedtime in the nursing home

[stable dagger]

you can clear with other characters but you need tons of investment but Ssania can cheese through it with minimal investment that's the problem

[stable dagger]

what's their shells?

[hollow crane]

14200

[nova cypress]

is it Andrew?

[ornate moth]

heinrich: gigabyte, 12 timeweave/8 swift, skills 1/1/1 (max dupe)
rosa: white fang, 12 onslaught 8 fury, 5/1/1 (max dupe)
kazami: halloween, 12 timeweave/8 swift, 5/5/5
mia: gigabyte, 12 swift/8 cure/6 evolguard, 1/1/5 (max dupe)
ling: gigabyte, 12 swift/12 timeweave, 5/1/1 (max dupe)

I didn't realize they were all max dupe til I checked the builds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vnaNDeYyyw

[clever tapir]

damnnn its da posiden 10k acc

[edgy wind]

Idk i just said a random letter

[pearl knot]

when inferno nerf

[white scarab]

just nerf lily a tiny bit and problem solved dont know why the community is trivializing this whole situation, probably because the community backed the devs into a corner over a few adjustments that effected virtually no one.

[frosty bluff]

when inferno nerf

[rustic sonnet]

i'm boycotting the game until inferno nerf (I have lily and S. Sania, This shit is awful)

[clever tapir]

You wont be missed

[tidal arch]

I can't believe you

You have Lily and Sania and you arent selfish like 100% of their players?

[rustic sonnet]

unlike these mouthbreathers I care about game balance to a degree. If the SR base rooster can't clear it, You've made a game inherently p2w, not f2p. These are the chores, not fkin braging rights of getting clears. Shit has to litterely be catered to worst possible luck occuring

[brave heath]

if you get bad luck, you should still be able to clear even if it takes 6 mins

[thin crystal]

tell me how is this okay, inferno btw

[blissful willow]

its called investment 😂

ur ssania doesnt have on gear anyway~

[thin crystal]

are you seeing the 4star level 1 fangus

[blissful willow]

my whole reply was a joke, im only speaking on the absurdness of this whole situation

[edgy wind]

How it feels rn

[craggy gale]

Bro for real😭😂

At this point I don’t even know how to feel anymore

Never felt so defeated😂 I’m dumb for investing in a game that lets this situation drags on

[crude sparrow]

4 star fangus and they say it´s fair

lol

[thin crystal]

Like make it make sense

[scarlet quartz]

they really need to start speaking

🗣️

[jolly relic]

[hollow crane]

Lol I can't join the dark side bc I have no golden tofu

[tidal arch]

You don't need them 🥀

[arctic plover]

Guys I have an update, you have convinced me. My lvl40 alt account just got its 2 week award.

I think I just had a skill issue, and now that I have seen the light pls buff inferno. True and real ||/j||

[hollow crane]

Damn stonk acc

[arctic plover]

but on a serious note if nothing changes in 3 weeks this account that I didn't even refresh on will be better than the one I was optimizing all this time

[hollow crane]

Lol better than 95% player account

[arctic plover]

it also has an unused selector 😄

[hollow crane]

Wtf

[crude sparrow]

rerolling

[lilac lotus]

your missing the next l/d ff EOS

😛

[distant wedge]

imagine missing out on her

[arctic plover]

I haven't used my ld pulls and gems

I have it guaranteed if I want

[lilac lotus]

then the next one

or the one after that haha

[arctic plover]

that is true, but you can always 💳

point is, everything I did on my normal account would be kind of obsolete if it were to continue

[lilac lotus]

but me f2p

yea sometimes luck be like that

[arctic plover]

like genuinely it is optimal to do a bank refund on my main account and whale on a new one instead

I understand when it's some pvp characters, one can get luckier. But not when the daily farm is heavily encouraging a few off-banner characters

anyway I have some degree of optimism while we all be farming doki

[crude sparrow]

alright first reroll got me a lilith lol

not worth it if you don´t use a multiwindow emulator

[warped kestrel]

We've lost another gladiator.

[hollow crane]

I will never reroll, to lazy for that shet and I hate tutorial in general

[hollow crane]

An alt account she said

[arctic plover]

||I obviously wasn't serious in changing my mind, I even added /j at the end. I am serious that it is indeed my alt account that would quickly catch up and exceed my normal one.||

[harsh zephyr]

Did anyone have Holden solo DPS inferno comp list?

[warped kestrel]

That account is so stacked you should consider just playing it

It has everything it needs to succeed in life

[thick arch]

not for long. already halfway to lv2!

[undone vortex]

am gon boycott you 😤

[crude sparrow]

Imma try 6 instances same time XD

[arctic plover]

whether I will play it or not it won't affect my stance. I have enjoyed this game, but I think the retention might be questionable when people get walled.

Thing is, people who bother to complain still have quite optimized accounts and probably know what they were doing. Many of them even played beta.

Imagine you come in, even if you watch people's guide you will see that even the guidemaker CCs actually can't clear shit. Many of them can only clear doki. Which is ok, but if you aren't crisp in what you are doing you won't even be able to do that.

pvp game with too small of a community is not worth playing to me 😦

[thick arch]

not mama mio

[crude sparrow]

I have massiah and mio on main

[thick arch]

how is bro going to RTA

[clever tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/my-dress-up-darling-sono-bisque-doll-wa-koi-wo-suru-sono-bisque-doll-marin-kitagawa-kitagawa-marin-gif-24637139

[thick arch]

it's bricked

[crude sparrow]

gonna go for lily for something like this

true reroll dream

[jolly relic]

[cold glen]

You can definitely farm hell4 for 2x days, you'll still be farming the 8 and 12 set pieces you'll be using on endgame gear, just have to wait for the 6 set

[wintry sentinel]

anybody using Mizuki?

[arctic plover]

think viper is better

[wintry sentinel]

sorry wrong thread.

[thick arch]

viper, dark chaci, and vice supremacy

[arctic plover]

this account is so stacked it literally breaks the game (sorry for offtopic, just it's funny)

[thick arch]

might need to delete that account

want to do it together? I will delete my lily alt

Lily's playstyle is so fkn stale I can't even be bothered to watch it

[crude sparrow]

now we talking

[undone vortex]

😭

[thick arch]

why is there Chinese in global

[clever tapir]

Its called didnt translate it

[thick arch]

I'm afraid of that button using 1k gems a press

like stamina

[thin crystal]

yea inferno is fair guys totally doesnt need changed

[arctic plover]

love an invested celince, happy to see it

[thin crystal]

its visual bug, it's a 6star fully maxed out skills celince

with perfect subs and everything

as @lilac lotus suggested

[lilac lotus]

yea this one RC77 is also bugged

is actually SSania

[distant wedge]

yeah they photoshopped it

[lilac lotus]

yup agreed

[charred minnow]

@torpid willow let's see if we hear anything today

[lilac lotus]

Almost like Chinese players live outside of China

[ornate moth]

lmao

clueless

[undone vortex]

bet

[ornate moth]

yup. Only reason I am still playing my account with no shadow sania is attachment to it basically. Optimal move would be ditch it if nothing changes

and yeah plenty of CCs making vids on the game, most being spenders who tried the beta or at least put some research into optimizing etc., haven’t seen any clearing inferno fights other than dokidoki unless they are doing shadow sania cheese

[brave heath]

na man there was that video of the 5 min terrormaton clear with simple srs like cachi and dorothy! (ignore the massiah and lily and the fact it does not even remotely look safe if u watch massiah hp)

go invest in cachi stocks NOW..

[lilac lotus]

Just use this team

Does inferno if Rc is 5/6 consitantly

Full auto

[brave heath]

yes for sure it does

[lilac lotus]

Requires 2x codex

[brave heath]

the pic u post insta showing all but lingluo dead...

[lilac lotus]

Yea it has a 3 star linglo so off it loses

[brave heath]

also other stuff can clear niconana

[lilac lotus]

Not my team so I can’t show a better pic

Just sharing the option that works

[brave heath]

niconana isnt one of the ssania brick walls

its close tho

[lilac lotus]

Think the guy who built this team has done rengoski and shadow hoyan

But I haven’t seen proof of those

[ornate moth]

rengo is fine cause it’s immune to dot

hoyan is probably the biggest inferno balance issue of all atm

[lilac lotus]

Sharon is immune to dot

[brave heath]

i dont see how that would make it fine

[lilac lotus]

Think diting completes it

Inferno*

[brave heath]

regardless of even the ssania clears, they're still overtuned a bit lol

[lilac lotus]

Yea agreed but we need to find solutions till they fix it all

[ornate moth]

well in terms of making normal players quit due to crazy difficulty it’s not fine. Just in terms of dot cheese being the only viable strategy I meant

[brave heath]

solution is only doing dokidoki and if its not fixed by the end of 2x not playing

which im sure it will be fixed by then

so it is what it is

[ornate moth]

yeah if u look at pins we have brainstormed and shared clears a bit. But it’s been several days and it still looks fairly hopeless for non shadow sania players

I would rather just hold off investing in random SRs for a little bit in case of adjustments, if devs never adjust anything I’ll just quit tbh along with probably half the playerbase

[brave heath]

personally i'm perfectly fine with random srs being optimal for early clears, like i think the cachi dorothy team could be cool but

the issue is 1. waste of investment if they do fix it 2. it doesnt even look good

it looks more like artisan abusing and barely living still

[ornate moth]

if everyone needed to invest in niche crazy strats and squeak by manual clears this early I’d be fine with it. Shadow sania being able to clear with a team of weak investment 5 stars as a fresh lv 50 kinda ruins that though

[brave heath]

personally i think dokidoki doesnt need a nerf, but i think for game health and not making the casuals get hit by a brick wall, it should also prob be slightly nerfed too

inferno should be about dokidoki difficulty imo, but in reality it should prob be slightly easier (not much) just cuz theres a lot of casuals who would just quit

[lilac lotus]

It is funny most casuals are gate kept at hell 1 at least those that ask for help in vc1 and then looking at their accounts they haven’t even chosen a decent dps

[brave heath]

hard pve should be anisync/ember trek

[ornate moth]

yeah I agree with the takes of focusing difficult pve content to modes like anisync and ember trek. Maybe add more side content for that level of difficulty.

Module and shell farming is not really the place for insane difficulty requiring research and optimization

[brave heath]

ye casuals are really bad most of the time

imagine when they finally get h4 clears and shit going then try to go into inferno

lol

[ornate moth]

doesn’t help the game guides them to invest in lian and she can’t even clear the hardest level of the gear farming stages lol

[lilac lotus]

So I wouldn’t say inferno has to be beaten by casuals, but at least inferno should be beaten by semi ckmpetitive f2p players

That’s the balance I want

[brave heath]

inferno shouldnt be locked out for only minmaxing hard

its modules/shells farming content

that you spend ur energy on

ember trek and anisync are where pve difficulty, and maybe some other stuff like rath said

should be at

[lilac lotus]

Ya but hell 4 gear & inferno pieces are just as good (except the 3rd slot)

If anything you will go back to hell 4 to farm for like right side slots cause less rng

[brave heath]

i dont get peoples infatuation with trying to make inferno require mega minmax when its literally locking you out of at minimum +23 speed as an example

if there was inferno 2, etc its not that bad

[frigid dune]

So, did an alt on global4, got Lilly and SSania. What are the chances that account will overtake my main in like a week?

[brave heath]

theres literally no real defense against how poorly tuned it is rn

obviously its probbaly getting fixed semi-soon

[lilac lotus]

Some people like the difficulty (and it’s a valid opinion) just different to its

Yours*

[brave heath]

"difficulty"

[ornate moth]

a week maybe not, 2 weeks the odds are pretty high

[brave heath]

have ssania or borderline impossible

but if you have ssania

it becomes meme content u can do with 0 investment

[half lodge]

Difficulty in ,,mobile" casual gacha

[lilac lotus]

Competitive try hard pvp gotcha

[brave heath]

if there wasnt made into a joke by having 1-2 units, then sure i could see an argument MAYBE

[half lodge]

Marketed as pvp game

[lilac lotus]

Nothing casual about this game

At all

[half lodge]

Gacha isnt competetive

[ornate moth]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-gif-20589966

[brave heath]

but i dont think you should nerf ssania because shes fine

[ornate moth]

me 7 minutes into my first manual battle of the day to gear my characters (I need to do 20 more to burn my daily stamina)

[lilac lotus]

Not once was it marketed as casual

[half lodge]

Nothing competetive about spending money dude

[lilac lotus]

I also think dots need a change

[brave heath]

i dont think they do i think dots are chill

i think the issue comes from inferno literally killing ur dps in 1 hit

so theres no other viable path usually

[wary fractal]

damn, still no news eh, rip

[ornate moth]

if dots get changed it won’t be for 3 months and we need inferno adjustments way before that

[lilac lotus]

Just spend 2x event in xp like the rest of the spenders

And hope they bring changes soon

(I.e me ima spend 14k energy on xp alone)

[brave heath]

farming event xp is only worth if you know you wont need more prowess and you know you dont have enough time to burn energy in threshold

[ornate moth]

xp? I’m going gp outpost

[lilac lotus]

I’ll be 5star maxing every unit this weekend

Gear can come in the next 4 months

[ornate moth]

damn ok

[brave heath]

xp also passively comes in the next 4 months

[ornate moth]

idk sometimes I have a least favorite unit and I want to leave them at lv 1 as a statement of hatred

[lilac lotus]

Na cause why would I ever farm jnvestigation

[brave heath]

?

[ornate moth]

like lingyang in wuthering waves

[brave heath]

you get xp tomes from everything

[bitter belfry]

The lack of shadow prints will render your xp useless for a while no?

[brave heath]

lol

[charred minnow]

so close to a wave 2 oneshot ;-;

[arctic plover]

one thing many people not realize is that casuals can be converted into non-casuals.

That is the real reason why some games like e7 handhold casual progression with giving proper units to clear its threshold.

By the time they manage to clear w13 they might be hooked up. The barrier that needs player input exists after they can farm things.

Here instead there is a barrier before that.

also I think farming xp is grief in this game, but that's another discussion (dungeons give way too much native exp. Actually one of tryhard solutions is to farm gp-outpost with two units, my massiah and rosa can 2-man some of them and I can 3 man all of them, and bring the 4th unit to passively gain exp.)

[brave heath]

not to mention you get +1k xp per threshold run

[lilac lotus]

Nope I have enough to do every ssr already along side all decent srs (6 staring will be a different beast tho)

Those red shadow prints are too costly

[bitter belfry]

Fair enough

[lilac lotus]

Diff in 5 star vs 6 star only really matters for pvp and dps units

[ornate moth]

I remember someone saying terror gives more than the others but could be wrong

[brave heath]

all units gain speed from awakening which matters

er 6*

[lilac lotus]

5 speed is not the break all in arena

Usually you either miles ahead of miles behind

[arctic plover]

terror and aurora give 1000, dokidoki 800 I think and shell bossses give 375

[brave heath]

ye man for sure 5 speed definitely will not make or break any matches

🤤

so true

[lilac lotus]

(I’m top 100)

And I lose to top 10 who are 40 speed on me

[brave heath]

so what happens when ur 320 speed gets outsped by a guy at 321

[lilac lotus]

And I beat everyone bellow me by 10-15 spd

[brave heath]

but you dont actually know that

you just assume hes 20 ahead?

[lilac lotus]

I have a spreadsheet with peoples names now and if I lose to speed I mark them as don’t fight

[brave heath]

ok are you talking about rta or normal arena

[ornate moth]

u can tell a rly close speed diff off the bar at the bottom

[lilac lotus]

Same people in both most of the time

[ornate moth]

vs a big gap

[brave heath]

i think even like 20 speed shows really close a lot of the time

[charred minnow]

real gamer

I even check the Buff button to see on what speed my opponent is at

[brave heath]

thats actually good tech not the bar

[ornate moth]

it shows a number?

[charred minnow]

yes

[arctic plover]

it shows a number yes

[brave heath]

ye it shows like 97% or something

[lilac lotus]

Can’t back out if already in a fight

[ornate moth]

ahh wow

[charred minnow]

meant here @lilac lotus

[lilac lotus]

So you write it down and don’t attack again

[brave heath]

i actually didnt think about doing that but did know about it lol

[uncut mica]

shows the actualy percentage on the bar compared to the current 100%

[lilac lotus]

I know that

[arctic plover]

black flag == easiest attack in my life

[brave heath]

ye its not their actually speed its just what their turn meter is at

[ornate moth]

real lmao

[charred minnow]

turn meter on start is decided by speed

[uncut mica]

using that with the first unit's known speed let's you work out a good approximation of their speed

[brave heath]

well yes just saying its not a speed number so people dont get confused

[arctic plover]

it was funny the first few days, see a team with marvel, open to check and they are on unbrindled

[charred minnow]

so if the turn meter is 6% faster than my fastest unit I can assume he has around 6% speed more than me <- only works at the start of a fight, when there's 0 buffs applied etc

[glass void]

well you can calculate their spee from that percentage with a mergin of error since there is spd rng based on a known speed of your own units

[brave heath]

its just showing what their turn meter is

[pure junco]

Guys the solution has been with us this entire time! Use Tsukiyomi

[glass void]

what if tuski is too slow?

[brave heath]

make her faster

?

duh

[ornate moth]

I’ve spent millions rerolling and only ever gotten red speed on my DPS shells lmao 😭

I’m cooked

[brave heath]

i got 2 red speed rolls natty

but then spend minimum 4m+ trying to reroll for crit on my massiah shell

and went from 9% to 10%

[ornate moth]

never gotten a red speed on an actual support/debuffer type shell

[brave heath]

i have i think 2 gigabytes and a jackal and an artisan with red speed

[ornate moth]

I get red crit damage within 3 rolls if the shell is like supernova

[brave heath]

one of the gigabytes might be like +14 tho actually not sure

[glass void]

I've got an almost perfect kloss jackal, 30%hp, 20spd, 11% dmg reduction if fastest ❤️

[ornate moth]

ooh

my closest to perfect is valerian shell with red shields given 2nd and red dmg increase on shielded targets 3rd. Gold HP% for 1st tho

[brave heath]

tbh you're not gonna usually use kloss as fastest at least in pvp

and in pve ur better off with accuracy

i woudl still keep the roll, cuz it's prob useful sometimes on other stuff

but i wouldnt really call it a kloss jackal

[glass void]

Kloss doesn't need much accuracy and why would i not use kloss as the fastest

[brave heath]

bulwark exists

then what does she do lol

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/beetlejuice-just-hanging-around-gif-9969679485088044404

[glass void]

fuckign nothing but she'll do even less if she's not the fastest

[ornate moth]

DPS kloss

[brave heath]

no thats why you run her 2nd fastest

its called a stripper

[glass void]

you're not gonna run her SLOWER than anyone else to wait our their bulwarks

[brave heath]

or atbar booster lol

[arctic plover]

because if kloss goes first in pvp nothing happens.

If tsuki goes first their team is dead

[charred minnow]

pole included?

[brave heath]

strip/atbar boost > defense break > damage or hybrid dps/cc

[upbeat breach]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-youtube-poop-ytp-jallerbo-stripping-gif-27541533

[glass void]

but sure when you have a strip you run that before obviously

[brave heath]

ye and you're always gonna have a strip before kloss

[charred minnow]

everybody would lose their immunity to a stripper like that

[upbeat breach]

insta win

[brave heath]

not exactly rn cuz most people dont hav ebulwark

but in like a week or 2? ye

[glass void]

more like after this weekend 😄

[brave heath]

ye pretty much

[upbeat breach]

Not sure we want everyone on bulwark

[brave heath]

its gonna be funny seeing all the people level like 62 on arena ladder and stuff who just wasted all their stuff

you dont need every1 on bulwark

[ornate moth]

everyone giving fire snake a hard time for a single passive on his shell not being optimal lol 😭

[brave heath]

you do want some units on bulwark for sure tho

[upbeat breach]

100%

[brave heath]

cuz it would just completely counter like, first turn mio

[glass void]

Ehh it's valid points so i don't mind 😄

[brave heath]

otherwise first turn mio will always be disgusting and u will always lose xd

[upbeat breach]

I would take 20 speed over anything else in the game, it is a nightmare to get that for sup shells

[ornate moth]

lol glad u are a good sport about it

[brave heath]

its a really good shell i was just saying its not exactly perfect on kloss

[glass void]

I'm just master atm and wanna break into PvP bigtime with the good stuff from the 2x so i'll take the input 😄

[brave heath]

only thing i was saying

i wouldnt reroll it, just saying its better suited for some1 else cuz

[upbeat breach]

for bot arena or rta?

[ornate moth]

yeah I prefer spd to eff acc. Eff acc can be a main stat, speed can’t. And even outside pvp some of the pve stuff is insanely fast

[brave heath]

kloss isnt a atbar booster or speed tuner

[ornate moth]

like 310+ speed to outspeed aurora puppet/terror hand or whatever it is

[glass void]

bot RTA i think i'm diamond, haven't really done many games

[brave heath]

theres very few cases where i would ever take eff acc on slot 2 over speed

[upbeat breach]

because you only need speed for bot arena, nothing else

[brave heath]

and its probably only something you'd ever do at like, this stage in the game weirdly enough

[upbeat breach]

For RTA you need multiple fast units 🤣

[brave heath]

doing rta seriously before modules = cba

[ornate moth]

ideally good PVP dps characters too unlike my account

[glass void]

gotta get mythic for bot arena that resets in 9 days, RTA i have plenty of time to climb

[brave heath]

theres gonna be clowns who sat there farming modules with stabilizers

did it for the rewards, obviously, then left

[upbeat breach]

I have been doing just the tournaments and that is about it, it is usually enough to get the 2k per week

[arctic plover]

yeah, some used all stabilizers before the announced 2x

[ornate moth]

I’m playing diting xiada as literally the only invested damage dealers on my account lol, drafting is a bit rough sometimes

[brave heath]

ye i do tournament then rest in rat to finish the rewards

[upbeat breach]

because of bad communication as usual =/

[brave heath]

and some kept using it regardless after the announcement

you see some level like 67s and shit rn

i see that and i just like actually kinda lick my lips knowing they're gonna be food in a few days

[ornate moth]

speaking of announcement… nothing today, maybe we get one tomorrow

[upbeat breach]

I dont think they will nerf it before the 2x drop

[glass void]

we do need some info on the next banners soon don't we

[brave heath]

theres 1 guy in specific in non-rta arena

that i'm literally just

as much as i can as soon as i farm my modules

dude outspeeds me by like 3 and i know he has 0 stabilizers lol

[arctic plover]

I think I have used 8 stabilizers or around that when we received a monthly roadmap with no buff, but w/e, just a one day loss. Probably was a mistake (used them when I could clear hell4 aurora to finally get a playable dps set).

But using them after the announcement is super grief.

[uncut mica]

next banner is the 26th so news should drop on Monday or Tuesday with what the patch is

[upbeat breach]

Is he that fast? I have around 305 and it is not bad at all in arena

[ornate moth]

idk how u guys even get to these speeds lol

[brave heath]

no hes not that fast im around 300 aswell

[upbeat breach]

Got lucky with some quad rolls

[brave heath]

and i've done like 0 module farming

[upbeat breach]

I think I have the same speed since the first week of the game

[brave heath]

ye i got slightly lucky on my speed rolls but not really

from all the ones you get from doing dailies/hyperlink stuff for like complete 10 times

[ornate moth]

u must have gotten giga lucky then cause I haven’t either and best I can cobble together is like 290 on a 6 star lily with max s1

[brave heath]

and then the ones u get from like lethal pursuit etc

[upbeat breach]

Same here

[charred minnow]

I got 1 +14 SPD piece and a few 9-11SPD

[ornate moth]

maybe slightly more

[uncut mica]

meanwhile I'm sitting here at mid 280s because I haven't rolled left side speed or red speed passive anywhere

[upbeat breach]

Do you have red passive on pet?

[ornate moth]

nope. I guess that’s a big part of it too

I have rerolled so much trying to get it

[brave heath]

ye i have 18 speed shell

[upbeat breach]

Yeah, it is the most relevant roll

[brave heath]

17/17/18 and idk what my 4th is i think its a 17 might be a 14

[upbeat breach]

Cant wait to transfer gigabyte to a 333 pet to go for 330+ speed

[ornate moth]

millions of training data down the drain not a single red speed

[glass void]

btw, silly question consideirng where i am in the game, shell passive, is that base SPD increase so it get the multiplier from sets or naa?

[surreal bobcat]

this

[brave heath]

i didnt really get lucky on module rolls tbh but i did get lucky on speed rolls on shells

[upbeat breach]

just bonus

[uncut mica]

yeah I just decided to get as many shells upand running over spending infinite training data to get good passives so far

[upbeat breach]

Only think affecting base speed is 5 and 6*, the rest is all added

[brave heath]

but the games about to hit me with all perfect roll speed this weekend on perfect triple matrix swiftrush gear

so its gonna be chill

[surreal bobcat]

doki needs 1 change, if you cc the mobs you should be able to refresh the shell break

[ornate moth]

my best speed module is a +13 speed eff res% evolguard lmao

[brave heath]

real

i would actually hard agree on that change being the only one to doki

i dont see why its not

[glass void]

yeaht he timer ticking while they're already shielded is fing stupid

[surreal bobcat]

mine is still a +6 speed blue helmet and ive done all but 2 infernos 🙂

[ornate moth]

true it’s so damn annoying that u can CC them and then they regain 90% as they are legit sleeping or frozen

[upbeat breach]

Should be either longer or we should be able to refresh it

[glass void]

but still an easy inferno, just annoying that that mechanic makes the fight take that much longer

[brave heath]

shouldnt be longer

should be able to refresh it

[upbeat breach]

Up to hell4 it is 3 turns so it is whatever, but on inferno it drops to 2 turns right?

Even with a timeweave Kaz it can be annoying if you get resisted

[ornate moth]

never noticed the exact duration on lower difficulties tbh

[surreal bobcat]

the worst part is if they have 1 turn left of the shell break and then you sleep them with a Kaz s1.

They wake up and lose shell break

[surreal bobcat]

lower is 3 turns, inferno is 2

[ornate moth]

yeah it happens to me surprisingly often

then everyone’s ability order ends up scuffed and delays the clear cause 1 guy regained 90% damage reduction while sleeping

[brave heath]

i wonder how good a revelations kazuyo could do damage in doki

[upbeat breach]

I think the amount of resistance that they have is a bit overtunned too

[brave heath]

i imagine it would suck

cuz you cant really fit in crate or atk

but i would be curious to see what a bis setup on her could be lol

[surreal bobcat]

or because they wake up and now unbuffed they focus one unit and its ggs

[upbeat breach]

Can run rosa for the 30% crit buff + atk% buff, so it shouldnt be that bad

[ornate moth]

I think if u full commit you just don’t run CC lol

[brave heath]

well you need cc to break the shield

but ye

[upbeat breach]

true damage from revelation can ignore damage reduction?

[brave heath]

i think with like really good gear you could maybe run like 2 accuracy 1 crit% module and like he said rosa for 30% crit buff

might actually not be terrible

[ornate moth]

my xiada can wipe like half the HP off the wave 2 mobs when fully buffed up and evolved, thru shield just from revelation

[brave heath]

ye revelation hits through the dr

and ye if freya s3 was 1 turn cd less

[ornate moth]

u could run like freya xiada kaz celince all revelation just ignore the main mechanic lol

[brave heath]

i think you'd actually run

xiada/freya/kazuyo triple revelations

[upbeat breach]

that would be the dream

[brave heath]

and it would just delete the waves rofl

[surreal bobcat]

xiada s3, max soul flame, revelation and no cc. Technically you dont need cc

[ornate moth]

celinceeee

[brave heath]

dont have her dont really know how she works

[uncut mica]

4 hit AOE

[brave heath]

lols

some1 should try that

[ornate moth]

just has a 4 hit aoe s3 with 3 turn cd when maxed

[upbeat breach]

xiada hits 4 times right?

[brave heath]

that might be the meta

[arctic plover]

celince is good yeah. she is worse than kazuyo but she is good

[surreal bobcat]

yeah

[upbeat breach]

4 from xiada 3 from rosa and 3 from kaz

[brave heath]

well this is ideally you just making

3 full revelations setup chars

and not caring about cc rofl

[charred minnow]

at this point just run 5 man team comp with Revelation

[surreal bobcat]

no one is worse than kazuyo. She legit works for the enemy mobs

[brave heath]

yes

freya goes first with atk buff

[ornate moth]

LOL

[brave heath]

then is there any funny crit buffers

[ornate moth]

agent kazuyo

[upbeat breach]

No need for freya, go for tsuki to reset the revelation cd

[brave heath]

does tsuki multihit?

aoe

[surreal bobcat]

Kazuyo, agent of Doki. The sleep depriver

[ornate moth]

nah I actually tried committing to celince as my doki CC, struggled at hell 2/3 and swapped her for kazuyo immediately could clear hell4

[upbeat breach]

mia+tsuki as starter, like that you can go full revelation turn 1 and turn 2

[arctic plover]

you shouldn't run her as primary cc

[upbeat breach]

single hit on second skill

[brave heath]

ye ik im saying that shes not gonna do any revelations damage

[arctic plover]

she supplements the rev damage and can be supplementary cc

[brave heath]

we need 5 revelations comp

for fun

[ornate moth]

yeah I think she’s only good as a secondary but building her is kinda weird

[upbeat breach]

problem is that you need to rotate the team and with tsuki you can reset the cooldown of the whole team

Like that you will be able to do full rotation in a row

[ornate moth]

cause for decent shields u want HP but having any chance in hell to land forgetfulness u need triple eff acc%

I guess she would be good on crate/atk revelation as a backup dps yeah

[arctic plover]

tsuki also hass cc funnily enough

[graceful juniper]

Silence

[brave heath]

theres a chance a really strong freya and xiada could clear wave 1 in 2 turns

[surreal bobcat]

silence does indeed count

[upbeat breach]

yep, can go full speed+acc to reset rev and break reduction

[charred minnow]

my Ril, Yang, Kloss, Ling, Kazuyo one shot comp works fine, thinking of slotting in 1 Rev user instead of Lingluo for a real wave 2 oneshot <- probably Freya

[brave heath]

then your next 3 units could clear wave 2 or kill all but mid boss

[graceful juniper]

Yes but if the middle guy get 10 stack even auto ia deadly lmao

[brave heath]

and then they clean it up after

[upbeat breach]

Isnt it better to have mio as starter for example instead of ling?

[surreal bobcat]

codex Kazuyo?

[charred minnow]

ye

[ornate moth]

that’s the beauty of the 5 revelation strat

[charred minnow]

Codex Kloss and Codex Kazuyo

[ornate moth]

if 1 dies u still have 4 left

[surreal bobcat]

lmao

[brave heath]

if you can kill everything but mid boss on wave 2

[ornate moth]

[brave heath]

hes not killing 5 units before they kill him with revelations

what are the 5 most ideal units for this tho

[surreal bobcat]

he will find a way

[upbeat breach]

Need to farmg hoyan after the 2x to actually test the full rev comp. At least you can use in both pve and pvp

[brave heath]

freya, xiada, kazuyo, celince +1?

[graceful juniper]

5 revelation? Who else...only know freya and xiada,and xiada neex buff too

[arctic plover]

you def run 4 revelations and tsuki instead

because of cd reduction

[upbeat breach]

rosa kaz

[arctic plover]

so you get 8 revs in a row

[brave heath]

isnt it only 1 turn cd reduc tho

or does it become 2 with skillup

[upbeat breach]

3 rev +mio and tsuki

[arctic plover]

yes but for the entire team

[ornate moth]

rosa would be good if u set continuous target wave 2 to the boss so rosa 6 hits the boss

[upbeat breach]

you get atk up speed up turn reduction and -2CD to everything

[graceful juniper]

Tbh kraken better imo if you can nuke middle enemy to half,that mean you got 2 freeze turn from his s2

[brave heath]

actually what buffs could u even get for xiada passive if she went like say last in turn order

[ornate moth]

would xiada even evolve with this mad scientist nonsense team lmao

[brave heath]

ye tahts what i was just thinking

lol

[arctic plover]

tsuki celince rosa (first wave dead) kazuyo xiada

I think is the optimal lineup. You can cut xiada for mio and make her move before kazuyo

[brave heath]

you'd have freya buffs and celince right thats it

so she'd hit 2x on wave 1 then 3x wave 2?

[ornate moth]

tsukiyo if u use her adds 2 buffs

[brave heath]

ye i guess u run tsuki as 5th

[ornate moth]

or 1 cause freya already atk up

[arctic plover]

xiada doesn't evolve

[brave heath]

what does celince give i thought she buffs

[upbeat breach]

you take out freya

[ornate moth]

celince shield counts as a buff

[brave heath]

you dont take out freya bro

[upbeat breach]

Freya will only proc rev in teh first wave

[arctic plover]

celince ccs and has 4 hit attack

[brave heath]

shit hits 4x rofl

[upbeat breach]

but it is 4 turns cd, so you cant use it for both waves

[brave heath]

alright guess what

my timeweave freya

is proccing everytime i run it

problem solved bud

[ornate moth]

LOL

[arctic plover]

doesn't timeweave reduce the rev cd too

[brave heath]

dont think so

i think its animus skill sonly

skills only*

[ornate moth]

freya dual wields shells, halloween + rev

yeah only animus skills

[brave heath]

i was actually considering trying it

[graceful juniper]

Oh yea freya only able to trigger revelation once since her s3 is 5 turn cd while revelation is 3 turn cd

[brave heath]

cuz i thought it'd be funny

but then you'd proc 2x in a row and it would still be messed up

so i decided its prob terrible albeit funny

[upbeat breach]

Do you know if it is implemented as always reducing it in the 3rd turn or if it is really random 35%?

[ornate moth]

freya giga powercrept by celince

it’s so over freyabros

[brave heath]

its random 35%

i had my mio do a s3 into s2 into s3 into s2

[upbeat breach]

O yeah, so there would be quite a bit of rng in the middle

the dream

[brave heath]

i dont remember if it was on infinity train but i think it was in an ember trek

[upbeat breach]

I am still missing so many decent timeweaver pieces that I cant run mio on crack

[brave heath]

i just remember it happening and was laughing 2 myself cuz it was so dumb

[charred minnow]

holy with Freya instead of Lingluo having the wave 2 revelation hit really made me almost one shot it

[ornate moth]

this is the type of fight rng needed to beat hoyan without shadow sania rn

[upbeat breach]

Got zero farm in the last 3 days, so it is tricky

[brave heath]

dude freya is insane

[arctic plover]

this but unironically

[brave heath]

i actually almost full killed some guy in low rank rta with her

100-20% or something

cuz he was def broke rofl

might ahve been even like 10%

[upbeat breach]

revelation is sooooo nice

[brave heath]

i will only play revelations freya in rta until its a real rank

its just so funny killing people withit

they have to be confused if they dont know

[ornate moth]

I used revelation freya to clear kururu on first ethernet rally layer lmao

[upbeat breach]

I only farmed one rev because I had to farm codex, but I need to go back after this weekend

[ornate moth]

I have absolutely no good green or light DPS

other than revelation freya/celince

[brave heath]

if i get enough good swiftrush sets tho this weekend

im prob just gonna make funny revelations pvp comp

[ornate moth]

I need to try a revelation celince lol

[brave heath]

bring only 1 damage dealer each time so they ban it

[upbeat breach]

I am stuck on the fight vs sharon with light+green, it is a pain in the ass

[brave heath]

they insta get killed by freya into kazuyo

[uncut mica]

you want to grab Momentum/Swiftraid Revelations then and run 12 Swiftrush/6 Momentum/6 Swiftraid

[brave heath]

ye ideally but that requires them to idk fix inferno shells dungeons

[upbeat breach]

And for we to actually drop swiftraid pieces

[ornate moth]

I doubt I’ll be able to beat her anytime soon, I don’t plan to build green or light DPS short term because I’m focusing units I need to clear inferno

[brave heath]

imagine tho you queue up for arena you're just a casual guy but you know a little bit

and you get outsped by a freya

takes a turn

[upbeat breach]

I was trying with massiah but I just dont have enough sustain in my team at all. Having only valerian on that slot is a pain

[brave heath]

instantly nukes 60% of ur hp

the kazuyo goes next

either kills you or gets u to liek 10% and sleeps u

lol

[upbeat breach]

Been looking for revelation on everyone before choosing who to ban

[uncut mica]

there is a reason why I was saying I was pulling Freya after the beta despite everyone here saying skip and mid

[arctic plover]

I was very confused by this initially.

"wow, was that a dps freya?"

[ornate moth]

I got a massiah as one of the borrowed units and he does so little damage that he might actually be healing the enemies

[brave heath]

can you actually see it in the rta thing when they're picking never looked

[upbeat breach]

I think the units are naked

[uncut mica]

Yup you can see what shell they have

[arctic plover]

you can see their shells yeah

[brave heath]

ok that actually makes rta way better ngl

[upbeat breach]

Yes, you can see the little pets there

[ornate moth]

they have yellow shells, lv 3 skills and no modules but just generic stats like +50% crit or whatever

lv 45 5 star

[brave heath]

i didnt really care to look or see that cuz not caring about rta until after 2x

but thats very good

[upbeat breach]

YOu can see it even during pick phase

[ornate moth]

they hit like wet noodles and have like 5 total speed

[brave heath]

rofl

[arctic plover]

need a goddamn microscope tho

[upbeat breach]

it is not a lie

[ornate moth]

I tried using a borrowed kazami kazuyo and she took her first turn after other units had moved like 15 times

[uncut mica]

I will say it is kinda weird that they completely revamped how ethernet rally worked but didn't actually change the units and bosses to match it

since you used to grab the same card type things that you have in the Infinity Train to boost your teams

[ornate moth]

oh yeah I remember seeing something about picking buffs for your team as u go thru

in some youtube vid

[upbeat breach]

I think they really need to fix how bad the borrowed units are, they are literally naked with a low level yellow shell

[upbeat breach]

it was nice

[brave heath]

I don't think they are naked they are just given random (trash) stats

Some of them have like +72 or something speed and like 10k hp

[uncut mica]

Yup you could have up to 3 active buffs and swap them around as needed. So say you had a strong element, a mid element and a weak one. You'd clear what you could with the strong one grabbing 2-3 buffs that help your mid team who then clears what they can pushing the buff level higher letting your weak element do the same

[young zealot]

When do you guys think they’ll address this btw ? It’s been few days already

[uncut mica]

earliest Monday/Tuesday with patch notes for what I assume is Yeli

[upbeat breach]

so it is just a display bug?

[brave heath]

No they just don't have modules

I think it's just codes for whatever stats amount

[upbeat breach]

A ok, that does make sense

[brave heath]

Maybe I'm wrong though and it's somehow just the passives from prowess and shell but I think it was a little too high for that

Cuz even epic shell with +20 speed and 15 prowess isn't enough actually so ye

[upbeat breach]

It does make sense, no way in hell she would get those bonus from the shell

[brave heath]

Ye

Fr tho the stats are so bad considering they make the bosses relatively hard