inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[gilded mirage]

Viper S3 maxed. Rosa I'm not sure but you can find it in recent clears now and then. There's also a Xiada comp but that's 8 lattices.

[upbeat breach]

Only reason someone have to not farm inferno is if they just cant at all

[tired socket]

Nobody is saying u cant clear inferno at all ever

Its the fact that if u dont have 2 specific ld u arw suddenly locked out before an 2x event on getting insane gear first

That in itself takes alot of time

[gilded mirage]

Yeah because Lily is carrying that. Try going without a good Lily Also Holden with the strip, atk down and pushback

[upbeat breach]

there are 3 comps to farm Terror, a few to farm doki and a few to farm aurora right?

[tired socket]

Meanwhile if ur gods blessed child u can

[drowsy gust]

Doesn't that make things even worse if the Sania comps are being hardcarried by Lily as well

[tired socket]

Thats a bad situation

Objectively

[upbeat breach]

you can dot terror without lily

[gilded mirage]

The only gear Inferno drops that's different are Furyedge modules. That's it. You can get the same "insane" gear in Hell IV

[upbeat breach]

just need to run fangus

[tired socket]

Fuck furyedge

[upbeat breach]

But is the drop rate exactly the same? I think that is the info that we dont have

[tired socket]

The issue is the spd one

[crude sparrow]

what about shells

[gilded mirage]

DoT is useless in speed one

[tired socket]

No it isnt

U need inferno shells for that

[brave ore]

Theyre not balance changing any characters for another 3 months so keep coping about S Sania while I continue farming Inferno

[gilded mirage]

This is my assumption from eyeballing my Inferno runs lmao

[tired socket]

And oh look its insane hear or ssania again

[errant dome]

you cant farm BiS without 3-3-3 shells, inferno shells are the stages that are exclusive to dot comps

[gilded mirage]

There's only 2 where DoT work. Nico and Hoyan

[errant dome]

yeah because all the shells you need are from those 2

[gilded mirage]

Nico is clearable without DoT. Hoyan a different story lmao

[upbeat breach]

you can do pets without dot, but it is indeed more annoying

[errant dome]

find me an auto team that isnt dot or requires heavy investment

[upbeat breach]

Can also take the lv 55 boss without dot

[gilded mirage]

But I guess if you had Celince it would be more doable for Hoyan

[upbeat breach]

celince is a god there

[gilded mirage]

You can't even use DoT in the 55 bosses haha

[gilded mirage]

Yup, makes it so easy

[upbeat breach]

exactly and people are farming it

[crude sparrow]

let´s pray bosses get nerfed for tmr

[brave heath]

2 IQ take

[upbeat breach]

taht would be wise

[brave heath]

You lose out on 23 speed by not being able to get the inferno shells

[errant dome]

bro doesnt pvp so he doesnt care about speed

[brave heath]

And or the threshold equivalent

[gilded mirage]

You do know that with a DoT team farming Nico, Terror and Doki (not DoT) the only shells that can have that 23 speed... Is White Fang right

Jackal in Hoyan is a different story

[errant dome]

after this 2x weekend ill also be forced to retire from rta

everyone and their mother will have 320 spd teams

[gilded mirage]

Artisan and Gigabyte cannot run Swiftsmite/Swiftraid

[upbeat breach]

as if we had a lot of inferno gear to choose from lol

[gilded mirage]

Only White Fang can get Swift and Swiftraid

[brave heath]

Bro randomly changes the goalpost

Point is that theres a massive speed advantage ATM just off having ssania for infern

Inferno

[gilded mirage]

Swiftsmite is on Alicorn BUT is gated by Aurora

[crude sparrow]

I still think the devs fked up very bad

[brave heath]

Issue isn't ssania anyways, it's inferno tuning

[crude sparrow]

imagine if the bosses were immune to dots form the start

[gilded mirage]

Dude I'm saying you CANT get that speed advantage except on White Fang and, if you can farm Hoyan, Jackal

[crude sparrow]

everyone would be struggling

[errant dome]

dot mechanic just needs a rework

[brave heath]

Nobody cares if ssania is the best she can be best pve dps everywhere if they want

Issue is being nearly locked out by not having her

[gilded mirage]

And DoT doesn't work with Doki

[errant dome]

hp % dmg should always be capped

let it work on all bosses but nerf its efficiency

[gilded mirage]

So make it useless like in other games

[brave heath]

Dot comps should be viable

No reason not to be

[tired socket]

Wonder why maybe because it leads to a situation like this

[errant dome]

its about finding the balance, not being forced to make them immune or making endgame bosses trivial

[brave heath]

Shouldn't be only real solution tho

[gilded mirage]

Apparently not having 2 min auto clears instantly is "locked out" now

[crude sparrow]

IF only we had a farmable character that dealt %hp dmg

[brave heath]

Ye 2 mins auto on what

Niconana only and not even close to 100%

There's 1 well tuned inferno being doki and niconana is kind of almost there

The rest are bad

[gilded mirage]

Rosa teams were roughly 80%. They'll get to 100 with better gear

4 min clears

[brave heath]

? You just said 2 mins

[gilded mirage]

Terror has 5 min clears in pinned video

[brave heath]

Where did that go

[errant dome]

what do u mean better gear

those rosa clears are max dupe max mythic with speed rolls

max lattices

[gilded mirage]

I said apparently people think you need 2 min auto team clears instantly (it's 2 weeks) for a game to feel balanced lol

[errant dome]

u dont quite seem to comprehend what it takes to clear without dot

[brave heath]

You are making up something to argue against

[errant dome]

try it and come back

[brave heath]

Not at all what I said

Stop coping for poorly tuned dungeons lol

[gilded mirage]

Lmao one min clear without Shadow Sania but still DoT

[crude sparrow]

I see a lily right there

[errant dome]

thats a lily

[crude sparrow]

XD

[brave heath]

And lily

[errant dome]

still hard capped to LD units

should not be the case

[gilded mirage]

Shadow Sania teams also need Lily

[brave heath]

"need" is a strong word

[tranquil fog]

shadow sania doesn't need lily, you can't play it well if you say that

[brave heath]

Somebody already posted a lot of no lily ssanias

Generally the case was either no lily or no ssania and basically never both

[arctic plover]

if your definition of need includes shadow sania needing lily then it is true that you need shadow sania

[tranquil fog]

or, unless you mean with your purple gear and 4 star chars, you need lily to clear inferno, then maybe lmao

[brave heath]

Both being gone that is

[gilded mirage]

And here's one without Shadow Sania. So you only need 1 L/D

[brave heath]

Just a terrible argument to make

[crude sparrow]

the point here is that if you don´t have some key units you can´t clear

[brave heath]

Idk if u are trolling or not

[gilded mirage]

You can't clear in 1 min

[brave heath]

I assume ur just this uh.. bright I guess

[tranquil fog]

guys look, it's simple, there's nothing fair about having a specifc char that literally destroys the difficulty curve of the game, that's all. it shouldn't be "have shadow Sania or wait 1 month to clear inferno". at this point they should just reduce the difficulty closer to what it was in the beta, so you can clear with multiple teams, it's not rocket science

[arctic plover]

what shadow sania does to people.

don't do dots kids 😦

[errant dome]

its a very small minority who are willing to invest that much resources for a suboptimal clear

[gilded mirage]

Exactly, don't do DoTs

[brave heath]

Everybody knows inferno needs to be retuned

[gilded mirage]

Meanwhile Kloss exists, Lily exists

[upbeat breach]

you dont need sania to clear inferno, she just makes it infiniterly easier

[crude sparrow]

at the end of the day, we´re all wasting our time here if you think about it

[upbeat breach]

And that is the only use for her, since she is useless elsewhere

[gilded mirage]

Exactly this

[errant dome]

give s.sania a stick and she clears

[brave heath]

Again nobody cares if she's the "best" and fastest

[upbeat breach]

Kloss and lily are as game breaking as sania progression wise...

[tired socket]

mans acting like sania needs massive investment

[brave heath]

Kloss can be targeted at least

[crude sparrow]

the devs won´t do shit

[tranquil fog]

man you clear with sania at 5 stars with crap gears, meanwhile for other comps you need to do it manually, build a ton of specific chars and have almost maxed gears, if your brain is too smooth to understand the problem, then I guess there isn't too much I can say

[tired socket]

and ur bricking ur other game modes by building her

lmfao i cant

[upbeat breach]

rilmocha is also broken for doki doki and make inferno doki a loooooooooooooot easier

[sudden wedge]

not really after hp inflation

[crude sparrow]

yeah, but you can use xiada, massiah, rosa

[upbeat breach]

every single comp not using rilmocha is insane worse for doki

[upbeat breach]

cant even compare

[errant dome]

i auto inferno doki with my team

[upbeat breach]

with rilmcoha you have 40 sec clear with 100% win rate, no rng at all

[errant dome]

but shell inferno is a different story

[tranquil fog]

show me your rimolcha clears of 40 seconds in inferno with no losses, I wanna see it

[brave heath]

Idk what ur on about onoes but

[upbeat breach]

Just see in the rank? I think it is 43 seconds

[errant dome]

i think he meant hell IV

[brave heath]

The most consistent teams are xiada and Massiah not rilm

[crude sparrow]

you need crazy gear to achieve that

[upbeat breach]

it is good rilmocha teams

[brave heath]

Those are the fastest, but not 100% at all

[upbeat breach]

Not that crazy at all

[tranquil fog]

I wanna see yours. the people in rank are whales with already full 3 sets, from farming INFERNO SHELLS with s sania

[crude sparrow]

inferno gear from terror

[upbeat breach]

They are 100% because they dont care if you land the debuffs or not

[brave heath]

Rilmocha is unironically not the best dps option for doki

Atm

[errant dome]

no one auto's doki with ripmocha

[upbeat breach]

rilmocha ignore damage reduction

[brave heath]

Ur just clueless lol

[tranquil fog]

also true, there's at least 1 option better than rimolcha atm

[upbeat breach]

every rilmocha clear is on auto, wtf are you talking about

[crude sparrow]

anyway let´s just move on, and pray, that´s the best thing you can do

[errant dome]

its just common sense

[upbeat breach]

you just need a single mob with def down +sleep to clear the whole wave

[brave heath]

Show me ur auto rilmocha doki clear since u know @upbeat breach

[scarlet quartz]

autoing rilmocha is a gear check

[sudden wedge]

you need 80k+ dmg to wipe wave 1

[errant dome]

you need to manual specific targets because of the inherent cc fail rate

[turbid ridge]

its auto wtf

[errant dome]

rilmocha is manual

[sudden wedge]

the fastest ril clear is literally 5/5 with max skills

[turbid ridge]

you can choose who to target on options

[tranquil fog]

bro the thing that you're so out of touch with the game that you don't even understand what's needed for a team to function in the game, because you farm on easy mode with S sania, is exactly the problem everyone else is talking about lmao

[upbeat breach]

you dont, rilmocha will always target the correct target by default, that is how her AI works

[errant dome]

show me ur inferno ril runs

[turbid ridge]

maybe playing the game more and less writing here would fix most issues

[scarlet quartz]

this with count does not reliably oneshot wave 1 of inferno doki to make it consistent enough for me to be willing to auto it

[upbeat breach]

As long as you dont set targets she will always go for the one with def down + sleep

[brave heath]

Clueless people typing but are in hell 2 rofl

[scarlet quartz]

fury momentum

[errant dome]

do u realize missed cc = bricked run

[tranquil fog]

that could also be the elites that you can't onehit, genius

[sudden wedge]

the andrews have higher defense btw

[upbeat breach]

it is not bricked because rilmocha splash damage ignore the 90% damage reduction

[brave heath]

Stop speaking when you are clueless 🤣

[upbeat breach]

She will always one shot one mob in each wave, that is how the team is built

[errant dome]

show me your clears

[gilded mirage]

You have to miss CC and Def break on all (not a single unit having both)

[errant dome]

just send a snap of your next 10 auto

[upbeat breach]

Just because you guys dont even know how her s3 works doesnt mean it doesnt work

[tranquil fog]

bro you talk shit and you can't even do the things you claim, show me your clears, I wanna see what you base that BS on

[brave heath]

We know how the run works you don't lmao

Clearly

[upbeat breach]

Exactly, but they are too stupid to understand how her skill works

[errant dome]

bro is definitely talking about hell

not inferno

[tranquil fog]

yea clearly lmao

[upbeat breach]

just see the fucking clears in inferno

how they work

[brave heath]

He's using a rilmocha team on hell rn thinking it will auto inferno well

[tranquil fog]

he doesn't even know they got buffed cause he clears on braindead mode with s sania

[brave heath]

Can't wait for him to hit 50 (9 more levels)

[upbeat breach]

one s3 first wave clear, one s3 second wave and only the mid mob is alive

[tranquil fog]

on hell, sure

not inferno

[errant dome]

s.sania brainrot

[gilded mirage]

You can do it with Inferno with Count though but yeaaaah, it's a bit tight especially in W2 and needs great gear. For reliability you'll also want 300+ speed lol.

[upbeat breach]

watch the fucking ingame replays, it is not that hard to click in teh fight

[turbid ridge]

what? you can literlly look up the inferno runs under 1m one shot with rimo

[errant dome]

300 speed LMAO

[upbeat breach]

that is what I am saying, but they are too stupid to go lookl ingame

[brave heath]

A run working does not mean it works with his success

[gilded mirage]

That's for reliability else mobs move

Technically it's 288 to move first

[brave heath]

How hard is it to understand that u clown @upbeat breach

[upbeat breach]

There was even a team with linglou doing a 1min run with rilmocha

[scarlet quartz]

a bit lower is enough u dont need to outspeed the first two mobs

[errant dome]

why would i do that when my massiah clears with 180 speed

[upbeat breach]

I am out, at that point you are just way too dumb

[gilded mirage]

With that it's "only" 267 speed haha

[upbeat breach]

He wasnt talking about ril speed

[brave heath]

Rilmocha is the fastest everybody knows, but she IS NOT the most consistent at all

[upbeat breach]

ril can be full turtle and still do it

[brave heath]

You are clueless @upbeat breach

[upbeat breach]

she is the most constent by far, cant even be compared

[turbid ridge]

hope they dont nerf inferno and let the hoyoscrubs leave

[gilded mirage]

Ughhhh not really on that one lol. Inferno hurts and CCs way too much

[errant dome]

consistent is wild

[scarlet quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279939366684332042/1326991857972019211/attachment.gif

[brave heath]

U have no inferno doki clear 100% u have no clue how it works

[upbeat breach]

it is not that bad when you are running off element in the team to be targeted for example

[brave heath]

U are prob in hell 2

[upbeat breach]

meh i am done with you guys

[scarlet quartz]

they do not exclusively target off element

btw

[errant dome]

these guys are hardstuck
hell and backseat gaming after watching inferno runs

[upbeat breach]

keep btching because you cant do shit in the game

[brave heath]

You have no rebuttal just making false claims

[gilded mirage]

Yes but your non-greens will die if you don't kill fast

[tranquil fog]

man even then, the problem isn't that rimolcha works, and it shouldn't, for doki there's a ton of team comps that do the same as rimolcha, for example this: https://gyazo.com/2277af4c008060af7a5b710a377a5be1 there's nothing that does what s sania does in toher modes

[upbeat breach]

but they are more likely to do instead of rilmocha

[gilded mirage]

Which is why Ril was the pick of choice before

[upbeat breach]

first one has a 100% win rate with 3 codex

[tranquil fog]

look, a team withour rimolcha with same clear speed, show me a single team without s sania with similar speeds in any other modes than doki

[tired socket]

why are we yapping about doki the only inferno dungeon ppl can feasibly clear with a variety of units

[tranquil fog]

exactly

[gilded mirage]

I would have done team 1 too tbh but I don't have Kloss

[scarlet quartz]

uhh well actually aurora...

[upbeat breach]

You need to fail def down + sleep on all 5 units for it to fail, so I guess it is not 100%, just 99.9999%

[scarlet quartz]

🤓

[scarlet quartz]

your rilmocha is not clearing the middle mobs wave 1

btw

[tranquil fog]

it's doki, open it and zoom

[errant dome]

i genuinely doubt any built ril can one shot andrew and his brother in inferno

[upbeat breach]

rilmocha will hit for 120k in the first wave, how in the hell it wont clear the middle mob lol

[gilded mirage]

It doesn't have to. It just needs to clear the side mobs

[scarlet quartz]

if u s3 raw in the middle mob u arent killing if u miss sleep left and right

[gilded mirage]

And then S3s a 3rd time to clear mid mob

[upbeat breach]

rilmocha will target the right and left side mob, she wont target middle mob

[tranquil fog]

also, what everyone is saying is not that shadow sania shouldn't clear, I'm happy it clears and works for you guys, what we're saying is there should be more options, just like there's Rimolchan and a ton of others on Doki for example, what's so hard to understand?

[scarlet quartz]

if they are missing debuffs she will

You are talking as if u have never done doki yourself

[upbeat breach]

if you have ungodly bad luck yes

[scarlet quartz]

its so irritating

[errant dome]

what do u mean ungodly bad luck

[tranquil fog]

he's just a brainrot troll, don't let him get to you lmao

[errant dome]

cc isnt 100% cap

[arctic plover]

he is not trolling, he believes in it

[drowsy gust]

An entire run could brick off a 10% innate resist you can't prevent

[errant dome]

its extremely easy to fail a def break and sleep

[tranquil fog]

he got lucky on 1 pull in a game and now he wants to ride the high forever, so he's rather the game stays this way, unbalanced, forever

[errant dome]

and on 2 waves

[upbeat breach]

you need to hit 10% on both mobs

[errant dome]

a rilmocha speedrun is done manually with resets

[gilded mirage]

No it's not...

[errant dome]

what u see isnt a 1 run auto

[brave heath]

@upbeat breach is just a little pupper who is in hell 2 rn excited for inferno he sees how fast rilmocha clear is on the leaderboards. Let him find out in 6 days when he hits level 50 lol

[upbeat breach]

That is such a dumb afirmation lol

[errant dome]

the auto's are all mas and xia teams

as someone earlier clearly pointed out

once u get there you will understand

[tranquil fog]

also what the people that say things should stay unbalanced don't understand is that the game will die this way. I love the game now and I'd like it to be fair and worth playing, but if things stay this way I'll just quit, there's other games out there. I'd rather I can keep playing it, but a lot of people will do this, and then the game will die out, and that'd suck

[brave heath]

Xiada and Massiah are undeniably better dps for consistent auto

[upbeat breach]

Yes yes, I have been farming doki since October but I have no idea what I am saying at all

[brave heath]

Hard 3 doki isn't relevant sorry.

[upbeat breach]

First time running it

[tranquil fog]

you do have no idea, they ultra buffed inferno

anything you did in betas is irrelevant now

[upbeat breach]

still working the exact same way for doki

[tranquil fog]

if you're not 50 running it NOW your previous experience is not valid atm

nope, it doesn't

[gilded mirage]

Rils can still clear you just need to be able to do 90k with S3 (on sleep and def down unit). Count helps. Usually needs Kloss. Not manual lmao

[upbeat breach]

I am 50 since the day we could be 50

[errant dome]

have u even cleared inferno doki yet

[tranquil fog]

then why can't you show your clears? should be easy right?

[glacial magnet]

Then can you show us the auto results

[brave heath]

Rilm can clear auto inferno nobody is saying she can't lol, she just is more inconsistent

[errant dome]

alr maybe u just have a 5 dupe ril with god rolls

[brave heath]

By a good margin

[upbeat breach]

Sole reason I didnt do with rilmocha is because I pulled rosa, massiah and xiada before rilmocha, so I have to wait the 2x to build rilmocha

[gilded mirage]

Some people were saying she can't rofl but yeah it's not consistent

Ril wasn't even consistent on Hell IV lol

[brave heath]

Idk anybody who said that they gonna be clueless

[gilded mirage]

But decently high WR

[errant dome]

so you dont have a built ril but youre talkng out your ass

brother..

[tranquil fog]

but look, you're comparing things in a trully dumb way. even IF Rimolcha works, look at the top clears, there's at least 4 team comps at around 1 min clear time. on everything ELSE except aurora it's just sania

[upbeat breach]

You have literaly zero knowledge about the game, it is just insane

[errant dome]

i used my first reset on my maxed ril

after realizing how much more consistent mas was

[upbeat breach]

Do you even know the thresholds that you need to hit to be able to even use rilmocha?

[tranquil fog]

lmfao

[gilded mirage]

Same cause Xiada had more use. Maybe in the future I rebuild Ril though lol

[upbeat breach]

or are you trying to run rilmocha on a basic comp?

[errant dome]

yeah her kit is fun

[tranquil fog]

bro you can't even show you cleared it and you're teaching an entire room of people that probably did more than you on the game? that's kinda ridiculous

[gilded mirage]

Carried my PvP to Mythic, now I am relying on Diting for PvP and my massive Lily

[upbeat breach]

meh I am out, cant really help people that refuse to read

[tranquil fog]

lmao

you're not helping anyone you're just talking shit when you can't even do the things you preach

[drowsy gust]

You could go for an easy dunk and show your clear

[upbeat breach]

good luck crying to them to nerf bosses because you guys refuse to do anything at all

[drowsy gust]

School his ass

[tranquil fog]

yea exactly

school my ass, show your clear

[upbeat breach]

I just said I need to wait 2x to build rilmocha

[drowsy gust]

So you haven't cleared it?

[tranquil fog]

but you're such an expert, never having tried it, that you're teaching an entire room of people how to do it?

[upbeat breach]

with rilmocha? no, I did with massiah

[drowsy gust]

Can't you just go to your profile and show your inferno team?

[tired socket]

[tranquil fog]

lmfao

that dude is like the poster child for s sania defenders xD

[drowsy gust]

Like go to your profile, show that inferno is done, then click on it to show your team and boom NineSkies looks like a punk in front of the whole server

[upbeat breach]

This?

[tranquil fog]

also, if you DID do it with massiah, which I also doubt, but if you did, you should understand the issue: you CAN do it with other comps, you can't do shit without S sania on other modes

[scarlet quartz]

wait a minute...

or 3 cause that's a onestar clear

[tranquil fog]

that's what the problem for us is. it's not that you CAN clear with sania, it's that it's almost impossible with anything else

[brave heath]

Talking about rilmocha consistency and hasn't touched her

X

D

[tranquil fog]

yea...

[upbeat breach]

So what?

[brave heath]

So clueless dude

[upbeat breach]

wasnt the whole btching because I havent even tried inferno?

[tranquil fog]

my boy is an innate expert, he just knows shit, doesn't need to test. source: trust me bro

[brave heath]

That you haven't done inferno with rilmocha hes

Yes

Cuz we assume since ur talking about her, u use her

Otherwise how are you going to say she has 99.9999% success

[upbeat breach]

I can click the videos and see how it is working? How hard it is to do that tell me

[brave heath]

And 0 completion with her?

[upbeat breach]

because she only need a single mob cced for it

[tranquil fog]

all of us actually using her are telling you things changed since beta when you tried it, and you keep saying no, we don't know shit, when you never even touched her. peak cinema

[upbeat breach]

That is the entire reason people went for her instead of anything else

Rilmocha is the only dps that doesnt care if you fail the CC

[brave heath]

Go run 20 rilmocha runs please and report back ur success rate

Otherwise stop typing about it

[tranquil fog]

aaight, I understand now, that's why you don't fight with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience lmao

[brave heath]

Real

[upbeat breach]

You guys are the one doing it, not me

[ornate moth]

no the fuck they are not lol

[upbeat breach]

This discord is only getting worse, it is insane

[tranquil fog]

my man, I'll leave you with just one last thought for you to consider: when everyone else except you is "stupid" it's generally you that are the problem

[upbeat breach]

Yes they are, lily is as big as s sania content wise. Kloss is also really really really good

[tranquil fog]

it's not

lily doesn't cleawr you shells

which you don't understand

even if you clear doki inferno

[brave heath]

Kloss is overall 2nd best unit, but that doesn't make her as game breaking as ssania

[tranquil fog]

without shells from inferno you can't do 3 set comps

[brave heath]

You can do stuff without kloss

[upbeat breach]

She does make your life infintely easier in every single content

[brave heath]

Some stuff is borderline undoable without ssania

[ornate moth]

lily is helpful everywhere, she does not gate you out of content if you dont have her the wayy ssania does. And kloss is great but the same is even more true for her

[tranquil fog]

everyone here, except you probably, can auto doki inferno, but you still can't complete sets that way

[upbeat breach]

You can also do stuff without sania. People already posted teams for both terror and nico nana

[foggy crane]

I think Kloss is just as broken she is just support + sustain so she isn't the reason you clear tho.

[tranquil fog]

she does, I completly agree with you for once, but she's not irreplaceble anywhere, and she doesn't just make impossible content possible for you just by pulling her. she has alternatives, which S sania doesn't

[ornate moth]

yeah I posted them lol

[upbeat breach]

The thing is that she does a lot of things alone, she is doing the job of multiple people alone. She is really really good with DPSs with momentum

[torpid willow]

One more day without a response — this is starting to get worrying...

[upbeat breach]

which content you dont have alternative?

[ornate moth]

I have yet to see a SINGLE case of someone defending the current inferno/ssania balancing who isn't a ssania user themselves wanting to keep their advantage

[upbeat breach]

I am not defending at all, I am saying since day one that they need to nerf this shit

[tired socket]

[tranquil fog]

for example, nico and hoyan shells.

[upbeat breach]

You have alternative for nico, people already posted it. For hoyan I am not 100% sure

[tranquil fog]

and don't get me wrong, I'm clearing nico inferno without sania, but my team is built the fuck up and I still only clear 40-50% on auto

[uncut mica]

people complaining that dot is good in Hoyan is very funny since it's the one boss actually designed for it

[tranquil fog]

it shoudln't be that hard when you pull 1 char and you clear it on 5 star with purple gear

[quick sapphire]

Just nerf it, ty.

[tranquil fog]

exactly

[ornate moth]

most are like 3 minute clears that fail if you get any bad rng from boss/adds. Hoyan not even possible to auto if u dont have ssania

[upbeat breach]

that is what everyone has been asking

[tranquil fog]

that's my point exactly bro

[tired socket]

[errant dome]

if s.sania banner comes up next im switching sides

just saying

[upbeat breach]

Yeah hoyan is dot only. Not sure if it is doable with fangus or not

[formal snow]

It should either be nerfed or this is them telling us what type of game they are going to be

[quick sapphire]

I do think the new units will giga power creep it but yeah needing specific units for any content just makes zero sense.

[errant dome]

true

[ornate moth]

dot being good there isnt remotely the same as it being impossible to farm without a dot LD SSR tho

[upbeat breach]

But I never said I am against that, it is actually the opposite

[paper echo]

That's just not true. Plenty of people that have SSania do also think that the current inferno clears needs to be changed.
#1383455528868511825 message. Whole thread that got nuked

[errant dome]

if no changes are made itll be a shame but on to the next

[tranquil fog]

I mean, I loved the game as it started out because it seemed to be commited to doing things right and be balanced... if that's gone, I don't see much appeal to the game anymore

yea, exactly

[quick sapphire]

I never said you were xD

[upbeat breach]

It is just that there are people that want to clear inferno shells with half naked teams. Not sayign that you guys are doing like that, but there are cry babies like that

[quick sapphire]

Hopefully they address it soon tm

[arctic plover]

I think you misread his statement, yours is a contrapositive of his

[ornate moth]

yes I just meant all defenders are ssania users, but not all ssania users are defenders

[formal snow]

Idk why they be taking so long tho

People been raging for days

[glass ruin]

so is there a hoyan clear w/o sania yet?

[uncut mica]

Fangus Obol Chiaki the Echo and Green Sania should be able to clear it unless RNG really just hates you and Obol never lands a stun

[tired socket]

Money baby

[upbeat breach]

I dont think there is anyone defending inferno

[tired socket]

Milk fomo before 2x

[arctic plover]

oh you would be surprised

[upbeat breach]

change of obol missing the stun is usually really really low to the adds

[tranquil fog]

you literally are lmao

[upbeat breach]

Boss has a lot more res, but the adds are easier

[upbeat breach]

When I defended this bullshit inferno? lol

[errant dome]

here we go again

[drowsy gust]

@loud locust if you guys can ping the entire server because a new ingame server is opening maybe it'd be a good idea to ping the entire server that the concerns in this 13k thread have been forwarded to the relevant parties so people who think absolutely nothing is happening don't have to dig deep into a 13k thread to see that you do that

[formal snow]

So if you don't have or don't want to build Ssania is the play just to spam hell 4 on 2x event for gear?

[tired socket]

Id spam XP and gp

[tranquil fog]

this entire time. we're saying they should make the bosses more accessible and you're saying we're dumb

[upbeat breach]

Do you have veronika?

[tired socket]

For the most part

[formal snow]

Nope

[tired socket]

Maybe 20 or 30% into h4

[upbeat breach]

Never said that, I always said I was in favor for it

Since the day the thread was created

[formal snow]

I have Ssania I just don't want to build her because what they are doing is crazy lol

[upbeat breach]

So I guess the only choice is the shield team for terror

[tranquil fog]

this entire argument was, at least for me and most people I've seen here, that it's not a problem S sania exists, or that she clears easily, but that the gap between having and not having her is too steep, and ridiculous

[ornate moth]

but you're downplaying the massive advantage/gap from having ssania which is part of the inferno issue

[upbeat breach]

When I ever said that?

[uncut mica]

I am working on a single SSR comp but need the exp 2x to level up and farm the specific sets for everyone

[tranquil fog]

also, they buffed all inferno bosses unreasonably much post beta, they should just set them back so people can clear them with a multitude of teams

[torpid willow]

The problem is that it's yet another day without a response. We are patient, but for how long?

[formal snow]

Fr

[tranquil fog]

I don't care that you clear with s sania in 30 seconds, but let me clear with another team in 2 minutes or whatever

[errant dome]

until the last day of chargeback limit

[tranquil fog]

without needing fully 6 star max leveled, max geared teams for a 40% clear rate

[ornate moth]

lol you didn't say "hey guys I'm downplaying this" but it seems like an accurate descriptor of your takes

[nimble hearth]

is rat necessary for inferno doki or can I use Rosa?

[drowsy gust]

I agree I want them to act quickly. We're not even getting "we're discussing this internally" statement which would be so easy to do to give us an idea that there is movement behind the scenes

[formal snow]

Yea I'd be okay with this. Because then as you get better gear your clears will get faster. But your characters that you have built up being obselete is insane

[upbeat breach]

It is not, I always complained about how they buffed inferno and that it makes no sense at all

[ornate moth]

rosa, xiada, massiah and others work fine

[tranquil fog]

to be fair, C did say yesterday that was the case, I was here when he did that

problem is no feedback since then, and no official stance except 1 staff message on discord

[ornate moth]

you literally said kloss is a bigger account progress gatekeeper than ssania. Which is downplaying the advantage ssania gives u

[tranquil fog]

I feel like this should be addressed more properly, and preferably faster

[drowsy gust]

Yes, but why is a new ingame server opening worthy of being pinged to the whole server but the discussions of the largest current relevant feedback thread being forwarded to the devs isn't?

[tranquil fog]

exactly bro, 100% agree

[torpid willow]

Yes, but not giving an official response one day before the X2 event is strange.

[arctic plover]

onoes was not downplayign ssania. He likes rilmocha and things she is strong, it's an unrelated discussion.

I don't own rilmoucha personally so I can't tell. I know many people have reported that they had troubles to get enough damage for rilmoucha to oneshot. If she doesn't oneshot her setup starts being scuffed and I can see xiada being better.

Also I can see those people having skillissue and maybe oneshotting isn't hard (smth smth put revelation on freya)

[tranquil fog]

I agree guys! I share the same sentiment, just said one staff guy did say they were working on it, but I think the lack of feedback after this fact is concerning

[upbeat breach]

No, I said that they are as good as sania

Kloss and Lily are really fucking strong

[drowsy gust]

If the devs were shitty back in the beta we wouldn't be having this discussion we'd just either leave or take it like good little cogs

[tranquil fog]

my man, you might be unaware of what you say or how you come accross, everyone understood it as he said earlier

[drowsy gust]

But because the devs were so good we're fighting to get them back

What happened to them post launch?

[nimble hearth]

would you need multiple revelations for a doki team or is just one on my Rosa fine?

[tranquil fog]

if things were like this in beta I wouldn't have been here for the launch lmao

[ornate moth]

ok yeah my bad you put them on the same level. Which I still think downplays ssania advantage

[upbeat breach]

this is what I said

[formal snow]

So y'all have faith huh. That's good

[drowsy gust]

I want the game to succeed but because I don't defend the game 24/7 I'm a hater

[torpid willow]

I heard the same from C, but that was two days ago. He said he trusted people would unlock new gear to be able to complete the PvE content, but it's simply impossible. You can't compete with a Ssanya without gear who clears it in 40 seconds. So the only option is a nerf that makes the content accessible to everyone.

They need to say something, but they need to say it now.

[upbeat breach]

kloss make doki runs a lot easier and lily is also amazing everywhere, both pve and pvp

[tranquil fog]

I'll give it a few more days, if not I'll probably stop beating a dead horse I suppose and move on

[drowsy gust]

Like I've seen white knights defend not being able to clear an entire event shop even though it's like industry standard

[tranquil fog]

100% agree

[ornate moth]

is there any fight where u are locked out of farming if u dont have kloss? no

[upbeat breach]

For now, the only one that you cant do is hoyan

[formal snow]

If they nerf people will be mad anyways I fear

[tired socket]

[upbeat breach]

Lily also enable you to cheese a lot of stuff

[tranquil fog]

I mean, they don't need to nerf neccesarely, they could just undo the unreasonable buffs they did on inferno after the beta, give everyone a chance to clear content

that's all it takes

[formal snow]

Right but I'm saying people who have built their Ssania teams because they had to might be upset

[tranquil fog]

this game advertises as pvp oriented, how are we supposed to go in PVP with 2 set gears when others have 3 sets, including the speed one?

[formal snow]

There is always a crowd that will be upset

[upbeat breach]

The drop to beta levels would be way too big, I think they need to nerf but not that much

[upbeat breach]

To the point that you can do with multiple comps, as long as they are designed for the content

And without bullshit gear

[formal snow]

Was beta that easy in comparison?

[tranquil fog]

lmao, well, true

[upbeat breach]

Yes

[arctic plover]

but they need to say it now
you mean yesterday

[ornate moth]

one unit is generally very useful but you can clear everything without her. The other enables you to get a 1 minute clear on inferno terrormaton without a single 6 star character on the team

[tight laurel]

It's very frustrating and is breaking the PVP they advertised so heavily

[brave heath]

and i was told it requires investment just like other teams @gilded mirage ?

[tranquil fog]

right? even on a perfect speed set currently, if someone just slaps on the 3rd speed set you're done, 20% is a lot...

[upbeat breach]

1min inferno clear too

[ornate moth]

with 4 6 stars and great gear + more lattices...

[drowsy gust]

Forget the pvp itself. Like I said before the esports is so cooked if we're too busy manualling the game to actually watch it

[upbeat breach]

There are two fast ways to do it, but if you dont have veronika or sania you have to go the slow way

[brave heath]

super inconsistent #1
4 6 stars #2
cant just copy paste and run in like 4 other infernos #3

[upbeat breach]

but that is without inferno gear

[arctic plover]

you invest in pulling her

[upbeat breach]

it is not super inconsitent, it has a 80% win rate

[tranquil fog]

yea, you get a perfect team with perfect gear and max levels, or you pull shadow sonia, that's super balanced and makes me wish to keep playing 🤡

[brave heath]

i find that having 80% winrate hard to believe

[distant wedge]

we should buff inferno even more

[formal snow]

Lmao

[ornate moth]

that's irrelevant. My point is the ssania team lets u clear with WAYYY lower investment into the team

[upbeat breach]

That is what the guy said, he was also the first one to clear infenro terror in the game

[brave heath]

wasnt that also pre-nerf to veronica

?

[ornate moth]

and not only that, the same characters can farm 2 other inferno bosses that are important to farm

[upbeat breach]

No, it is on our server

6 days ago

[ornate moth]

no it's just codex veronika

[formal snow]

Ain't no way people defending this

[brave heath]

oh maybe more consistent than i thought but either way

[upbeat breach]

They also removed the nerf to veronika, she is spreading the immortal

[ornate moth]

the nerf was it being extended by characters like mia and lingluo

got removed

[upbeat breach]

yep

[arctic plover]

there were two nerfs

[upbeat breach]

Can go immortal anymore

[arctic plover]

one reverted and other not

[upbeat breach]

But they changed the buff share back to 100%

[ornate moth]

oh yeah the pre final beta nerf ig

[gilded mirage]

Yeah if you want it consistent lmao. Codex helps though, I've seen some multi codex Lily-less teams around

[tranquil fog]

technically, most people aren't just some random people with shadow sania pop up doing that from time to time, but from what I see most of the cummunity is saying this isn't cool

[brave heath]

Oh man god forbid ssania teams need 1 6 star to get 100% auto when other teams need all 6 star 50 with good gear to get 40%...

[formal snow]

Yea that's what I've also seen. Some people also don't know what the issue is

[errant dome]

just disable s.sania for the 2x weekend and see what happens

[brave heath]

suddenly they will all be asking for nerfs

to inferno

[upbeat breach]

you can replace lily with fangus for terror and it will work

[gilded mirage]

Lmao imagine thinking those are 100% autos , Sania teams usually run have an couple peeps dead

[brave heath]

maybe they should level them past 5* level 20

[errant dome]

most our SR prob have higher base stats than their sanias

[tranquil fog]

lmfao, so true

[errant dome]

all good tho

drop a banner before 2x, milk the shills

and nerf inferno next week

everryone happy!

[brave heath]

nerf inferno base damage dealt, keep the hp the same, nerf the enrage mechanics scaling, and throw in a lily banner

[tranquil fog]

I would mind that way less that what's going on now, at least it'd be fixed lmao

[brave heath]

you will probably make every1 happy and make a lot of money

[royal otter]

And cater to the ssania havers and give a free reset so they can reclaim their 4 gold lattices since that ALOT of investment /s

[errant dome]

the fact that u cant even buy summons for LD banner makes me think

this is an elaborate leviathan hunting scheme

[brave heath]

yes u can

[errant dome]

only for targeted

[brave heath]

$100 for like 6k crystals

which is 20 apex summon

[errant dome]

standard LD banner u cant use crustals

[brave heath]

oh wtf

[errant dome]

else i would
not be here complaining

[brave heath]

thats p funny

[errant dome]

its sick

[brave heath]

well to be fair

the rates of getting an ld on banner at 3x the crystal cost

vs perm banner

wouldnt be much diff

[errant dome]

big diff tbh

[tranquil fog]

nah that's not true, it'd be worth it tbh

[brave heath]

no not really you're getting a pretty similar rate

[tranquil fog]

ain't no way you're getting an LD every 3 ssr's you pull

[brave heath]

its 0.5% chance average for an ld pull including pity on the normal banner, it would be 2% on the ld perm banner p sure

[errant dome]

its only 1 in 4 on paper

[upbeat breach]

Not sure people would even reset considering how easy it is to farm with her. Unless the other comps are no brainers

[brave heath]

so 3x the cost for 4x the rate

you're not getting much better odds

[tranquil fog]

that. it's not that in reality

[brave heath]

its 33% better but you get 0 non-ld dupes

[errant dome]

my LD pull rate is like 1 in 7 or 8

from standard

[tranquil fog]

same

[brave heath]

i've barely spent money and pulled 7 lds in like 600-700 summons

rng obviously

[errant dome]

its sus af

[brave heath]

but you are statistically more likely to pull a lily on perm banner than you are like a kloss

[errant dome]

yeah small sample size so cant complain

[tranquil fog]

I'm glad you're lucky bro, but most people can't replicate that lmao

[crude sparrow]

Im f2p and have gotten 3 mios and 1 massiah

seems reasonable

[brave heath]

i'm just giving my anecdote but it is more likely to get a specific ld ssr, than a specific rgb ssr

on perm banner

[crude sparrow]

how do you know number of summons?

[errant dome]

for me, im missing 2 rgb and 3 LD

[brave heath]

well you can see the achieve for how many, but if you're past 450? you have to scroll on the summon things

and check

[crude sparrow]

ok

[brave heath]

imo if you think you would whale 300 crystals per summon on the ld perm banner if it was available, just spend on the normal perm bannerthen @errant dome

[tranquil fog]

so basically, after 450 you can't know anymore, I don't think anyone has the time to go count on the past summons xD

[brave heath]

statistically similar enough chance for ld that you want

that its worth doing

[errant dome]

definitely not

[brave heath]

your choice just explaining the math

[errant dome]

id be max duped and still not have my LDs

[brave heath]

you said you'd spend on the ld perm if you could

[crude sparrow]

I have a friend that got this from a reroll not long ago

[brave heath]

statistically if you were to pull on the permanant banner, you would max dupe a lily on average

[tranquil fog]

lmfao

[brave heath]

before you would max dupe something like a kloss

[tranquil fog]

bro I should have rerolled more

[errant dome]

hope he gets banned

[tranquil fog]

xD

[brave heath]

so no thats just not true.

[errant dome]

statistically assuming fair odds yes

[brave heath]

yes and you go based off the odds lol

[errant dome]

the problem is we dont know if there are fair odds

[agile lodge]

Tomorrow is 2x event right?

[errant dome]

especially for a small sample size

its better to go for guaranteed

[brave heath]

well im not going based off my sample size

i'm going based off the math

that is given for the rates

[tranquil fog]

I think most people would rather go for the guarantee tbh, especially since, tho your pulls were lucky, for myself and most people I know the real ratio seems to be 1 LD in 6-8 pulls

[blissful willow]

that moment when u get a massiah dupe on a guaranteed ssr pull

[upbeat breach]

Would have to pool the people for it, but I would guess it is not wrong

[errant dome]

that kind of math works in the long run

[brave heath]

rng works in short run math works in long run

[errant dome]

but not if youre only pulling like 10x

[brave heath]

i'm just explaining cuz you said you would pull on apex banner permanant

[upbeat breach]

but early on it is 100% rng

[brave heath]

i was elaborating that if you would do that, you honestly should just whale on the standard perm banner

[crude sparrow]

it makes you hate the character, happened to me with Mio

[upbeat breach]

RGB banner is usually a lot better for whales

[crude sparrow]

I don´t even want to build her

[agile lodge]

If something doesn't happen by tomorrow my normie ass will gonna cry on discord

[brave heath]

rbg banner is 100% better for whaling

and its not really debateable

not like you can even whale on the ld perm banner atm tho

[errant dome]

its pointless to me because im only missing LDs

[tranquil fog]

if you do get a dupe in this game tho, I'd definitely most rather have it on an apex dps

[upbeat breach]

Unless you are cursed and you need to drop 5k+ for a mio

[errant dome]

i dont care for the last 2 rgb

if that makes sense to you

[brave heath]

well if you were a real whale, you would go for dupes on them

so maybe namechange to dolphin lol

[errant dome]

im not

i just want ssania to farm shells

[brave heath]

i was just explaining under the assumption you would spend enough $ to get the lds u want, its better on perm

[tranquil fog]

lmao

[errant dome]

so i can stop complaining on this thread

[blissful willow]

literally just pulled another massiah in the perma banner too..who the hell was it that just said to use ur crystals on perma banner 😭

[tranquil fog]

I have a team for inferno nico shells if you want but it's only about 40-50% on auto

[blissful willow]

this isn't what i wanted

[brave heath]

well "better" as in you would also get a LOT of rgb dupes/units u need for like 25% less lds

[blissful willow]

whats your team

[crude sparrow]

I have 10k crystals and even though I really want to summon, I know the chance is too low

also being f2p makes you think about later

[blissful willow]

i have 11k crystals, ill stop at 9k.

[crude sparrow]

every 10 summons is a full refill

[blissful willow]

but i literally cant do any infernos as a dolphin

[crude sparrow]

you´re fine. hell 4 is still good

[upbeat breach]

I think you kinda need to focus on banners as F2P. You have the first few weeks to get lucky with pulls, but after that it is mostly for new units and reruns

[thick arch]

What changed today in hotfix? I hate there's 0 info other than the fact there was one

[errant dome]

will have to end up manualling them

[blissful willow]

not really sure i need more gear lol

[errant dome]

which kinda defeats the purpose

[crude sparrow]

tbh I am never going for a banner again

[upbeat breach]

Nothing, they havent even fixed the infinite exp bug

[crude sparrow]

I´ve always gotten pity from them

[brave heath]

ye honestly i think at this point i'm prob only pulling limited banners soon enough, depends on new char release cadence tho

[crude sparrow]

on perma I always get the summon in less than 30

[tranquil fog]

I just take the stamina loss and leave it on auto lmao

[brave heath]

not missing many units i care about tho anyways so

[crude sparrow]

I know mathematically it won´t be always like this

[upbeat breach]

That is what I will do too, already started saving pulls for it

[tranquil fog]

https://gyazo.com/6c6a69053f7afaf4554b898cd17e7579

[brave heath]

last units i want is lily/ssania/rosa/i think 1 more

rest i have or dont care

[blissful willow]

damn lily...im assuming your faster than boss?

[errant dome]

how many lattice on that rosa?

[tranquil fog]

yea, ofc, even rosa is fast af so we can bypass the dmg reduction

[upbeat breach]

Are you running codex on both marvell and obol?

[blissful willow]

my Rosa is cracked, but every team i see they get a lily for skill reset

[crude sparrow]

I just want a lily or shadow sania

SSania better

[tranquil fog]

zero lmao, I just started using that today so it's not fully built, I'll probably reset something and max her soon unless they nerf the bosses

[errant dome]

oh wow

[brave heath]

ye only thing atm i'd spend for is a lily banner, other than that just gonna go f2p for now

[errant dome]

s.sania banner?

[upbeat breach]

I am running a similar team, but with sania instead of lily and mio instead of marvell. What I do is run codex on mio, sania and obol and hope I kill before I die

[blissful willow]

that tells you how strong lily is to be honest

[tranquil fog]

if it was maxed the clear would prolly be 60-70% min

[brave heath]

na i'd skip ssania cuz if they dont fix inferno i'm just not gonna play really

[tranquil fog]

codex just on marvel, artisan on obol for the shield, and gigabyte on lily, and revelation ofc on rosa

[errant dome]

damn i respect that

[brave heath]

i dont care for having the pve farming content to do enough damage to 1tap dps chars

its just bad design

i am optimistic that its changed relatively fast tho

so it is what it is

just bad tuning games new

[tranquil fog]

it really is bad design tbh

[thick arch]

I'm sure the next hotfix is to ban all those players. They should've bought packs the legal way smh

[upbeat breach]

Not sure how good is codex on obol when you are not extending it

[upbeat breach]

I really doubt it

[tranquil fog]

I didn't say codex on obol tho?

[blissful willow]

well they said they wont change anything until after season, soooo if they do change something it will be fun to see

[errant dome]

cant blame the players for their own oversight

[upbeat breach]

I sent a bug report today after checking how it works but I got no answers when I checked

[errant dome]

its not an exploit

but an unintentional in game feature

[upbeat breach]

But that was my sugestion, because I am using it. Just not sure it applies to you. It might just be better with the shield pet

[tranquil fog]

ohh, well in my team, obol goes the second time before the first stun runs out, so it'd be useless

[upbeat breach]

Yeah, in your case your are running him mainly for stun and not just dot, so it does make sense

[brave heath]

honestly if you're gonna farm that, go have fun i dont think you should get banned

[tranquil fog]

but I still think this is bad design, we shouldn't have to try so hard to clear stuff that's clearable just by pulling a char for other people, it's not how this should work

[brave heath]

if some1 is that dedicated let em bw

be*

[blissful willow]

yesterday i pulled doki, xiada, and mia. has anyone saw inferno clears with any of them? not sure i wanna invest in xiada since i got rosa

[upbeat breach]

I think the issue is people running macro there, since they can afk farm. But if you are doing it by hand, you must be going insane lol

[brave heath]

oh ye if you are running a macro 100% you should get banned

[upbeat breach]

Have zero issues with people doing it by hand

[brave heath]

if they are manual farming that shit for 10 hours to get xp

fuck it let em LOL

i heard about it and was like oh ya man imma go do that that sounds cool then i actually looked and was like yep pass

[blissful willow]

how dare u not spent hours playing the game in a way thats tedious

[upbeat breach]

I think I did it 5 times to see how it worked and I was like no way in hell I will do it

[tranquil fog]

yea, almost like you're playing a game to have fun... ridiculous

[brave heath]

honestly if it was the same xp as threshold and u got like 1k xp per run

[blissful willow]

persona and uma comes out in 7 days 😆

[brave heath]

i'd be on that shit

[coarse granite]

[upbeat breach]

but 400 exp per run is a pain, way too much stuff to click and move

[crude sparrow]

I did the calculation, it´s 14 hours

if every run takes 20 secs

which with loading times is only doable if you insta clear it

[pastel inlet]

Could you share gear on Rosa, Marvell, lily?

[ornate moth]

doki - seen used in dokidoki & sharon inferno clears. Xiada - seen in niconana, dokidoki and aurora inf clears. Mia - seen in Terror, Aurora, Sharon and Rengokutsu inferno clears

[charred minnow]

13k messages already damn

[ornate moth]

geez

I mean half is just like

inferno general chat lol

and arguing

[ornate moth]

lool yeah I saw zeeb video, oh interesting XP farm? Clears the fight and his units go from lv 1 to lv 3
oh...

[wheat elk]

The fix: they gonna put Lily on banner xdd

[brave heath]

that wouldnt even fix anything tbh

i'd take it cuz i need her but wouldnt solve inferno problems

[ornate moth]

I have lily, still pretty walled by most inferno fights and would need to build up kazami kazuyo and 3 more artisans to clear terrormaton lol. And still have no chance of clearing hoyan inferno

[wheat elk]

Tbh idk how big of a problem is, if u really could only clear with some chars you cant guarantee getting them then yeah is a problem, did people tried other SR/R characters also with very good gear/shells etc? not eventhing should be cleared first week

Everyone kinda wanna skip every step of gearing up and go straight up to farming 3 set gears, so I wonder how many actually have the end game gear to try that

[ornate moth]

People who got lucky and pulled shadow sania can just instantly jump into and clear inferno right when they hit 50 if they invested in the dot team. And without needing a bunch of different niche characters for every different fight. How is it fair to tell half the playerbase "hey you need to make massive gear investment to clear inferno, it's the hardest content u can't expect to clear first week!" meanwhile the other half of the playerbase just skips that because of 1 character and the fights being unbalanced

People have found SR/R characters that can clear inferno fights without shadow sania, but in many cases they are like 4 minute manual battle clears. For content that we need to farm many many times in order to gear up for PVP which is the biggest selling point of this game

[white scarab]

Nerf lily already holy crap

[mental mural]

I might have found my hoyan inferno auto clear!!!

Shadow Sania I love you!!!

❤️

Some were telling me she was the worst light dark unit during the beta

[ornate moth]

[wheat elk]

You really wanna talk bout fairness in a Gacha game?

[brave heath]

i am curious what lds do you have @wheat elk

[wheat elk]

As long you can clear inferno without having SSR light/dark chars, that is normal, it should be a big investment to clear inferno, people had no clue how it was in E7 then lol

[ornate moth]

I never said the game should be completely fair. Obviously all gachas have unfairness inherent to them. But endgame farming content being inaccessible unless you pull one specific non rate-up LD SSR is ridiculous

[mental mural]

Fair and gacha In the same sentence 💔

[wheat elk]

got 0 SSRs MLs lol

And I can play the game

[ornate moth]

ur not at 50 yet are you?

[wheat elk]

no im not a whale, i play for fun

[mental mural]

He probably has all the required units for inferno and max out everything

[ornate moth]

lol u can be lv 50 as an f2p easily

[mental mural]

Then STFU

[wheat elk]

Lvl 40 F2p and farming Hell3 on auto

[brave heath]

Ok so dont speak about inferno please lol

[ornate moth]

yeah notice the thread doesn't say hell3 difficulty megathread

[mental mural]

^

[brave heath]

I dont get why people who havent seen the content are deciding to come in here and speak about it when it's irrelevant feedback

[mental mural]

I know alot of f2p who can play inferno manual right now
The poing is that it's not sustainable

[wheat elk]

Well I asked before, if is possible to clear with ML SSRs, and people say yes, so I dont see the issue

[ornate moth]

just because ur not capable of seeing an issue doesn't mean there's no issue lol

[wheat elk]

Sure F2p lvl 50, surely

[mental mural]

Very specific Red units are needed for that

[brave heath]

You can max refresh as f2p for nearly 3 months?

f2p and whale have literally 0 difference in capability to be a high level rn

zero.

[ornate moth]

the game gives u tens of thousands of gems for playing lol

[brave heath]

actually i take that back

whale can be 100 xp ahead

[wheat elk]

And those lvl 50 F2p I assume they also somehow have OP ML SSR and every char they want

[brave heath]

ur character level is how much energy you ahve spent and dailies u have done

it has literally nothing to do with whale or f2p or how powerful u are

rofl

[mental mural]

Without Veronika beyonthin and holder how are you clearing inferno terrormaton? Using rgb units?

[ornate moth]

if u paid attention to content creation on the game at launch, most content creators were recommending max gem stamina refresh at least for the first few days

[brave heath]

^

[wheat elk]

Yes, wasting gems for stamina instead charcters is dumb so

[mental mural]

Not necessarily

[brave heath]

wasting gems for characters and then talking about inferno difficulty when ur doing h3 content is dumb so

[wheat elk]

Is a small boost on begining but a waste mid/late game

[quick sapphire]

Kinda of funny how the people with SSania and Lily will defend the difficulty of inferno without realising that it's dogshit for the game

I do think new units will resolve this problem though and it will all level out eventually, doesn't make it any less annoying, but only the community can be blamed, they began nerfing and then everyone lost their minds.

[ornate moth]

this is just like generic gacha game mentality that doesn't necessarily apply to etheria

[brave heath]

he thinks this is genshin

🤣

[wheat elk]

It exacly does, especially when you get daily experience, so is not like you are permanentely ahead if u refill

[mental mural]

It isn't a waste
This is a gacha game
You're lucky on your summons or you cope

[wheat elk]

Is very easy to catch up on lvl

[brave heath]

yes, you infact are permanantly ahead if you refill

[ornate moth]

lol yeah idk the point of all the arguing anyway. Either devs nerf inferno difficulty, or half the casual playerbase will quit when they hit 50 and realize they need insanely specific team comps

[mental mural]

They are the filth of the community

[brave heath]

if i spend 20k energy in the first month, and you spent 5k, and then we both spent 20k next month

i've still got a 15k energy lead on you FOREVER as long as we kept same pace

[mental mural]

^

[wheat elk]

Im 1 week behind on begining but then Ill be permanentely ahead coz of extra gems I can pull more characters, I know this game very good, I was max rank on every PvE/PvP leaderboard in E7 as f2p

[mental mural]

After lvl 50 we can just stop refilling

[wheat elk]

I was literally permanentely fighting whales in E7 RTA as f2p

[mental mural]

You'll never be ahead
This is gacha
You having more summons means nothing

[glass vale]

This is a big deal. I honestly think they would have done something already if they didn't already have such a big backlash over stuff that we now know was just people hugely overreacting to things they didn't understand.

[mental mural]

Worthless

[brave heath]

bro thinks hes gonna be ahead ever

im f2p and have all the units i want besides lily and ssania

good lucky keeping up with me using all crystals on refresh forever

🤣 gl

[full delta]

Gg bricked

[ornate moth]

why are you weighing in on a topic you could only know about if you spent gems on stamina, as someone who never spends gems on stamina lol

[wheat elk]

How do I got highest rank on everythink in E7 as F2p then?

[brave heath]

bricked for now*

[mental mural]

Let me tell you something then
This isn't epic 7

[full delta]

Ah you right you right

[brave heath]

no lily is whatever

no ssania is the issue (for now)

[wheat elk]

Lol they literally copy so much from E7, if you dont know then you are clueless

[formal snow]

My game plan is to just wait lmao. I'll build Ssania if I still want to play or quit

[wheat elk]

Game literally is a worse quality E7 with more fun modes

[mental mural]

Brother
This isn't elic 7
Just stop

[brave heath]

its okay man you can go be top 20% on e7 in rta f2p we don't care @wheat elk

[mental mural]

^

[wheat elk]

I played E7 for 7 years, and I already knew everything in this game lol, everything works just like in E7, literally everything

[full delta]

Tbf I don’t know what I’m doing - never played E7 and I’m now rank 17 in ladder (peaked 11 but I’m getting skill diffed)

[brave heath]

how much accuracy do you need for your units?

[wheat elk]

dependson enemy resist I assume? just like in E7?

[mental mural]

7 years of slaving a game isn't a flex
You won't be at inferno for another 2 weeks
Just let us handle our problems which you know nothing of

[quick sapphire]

Just takes a couple of banners for F2P players to catch up really, because with SSania being the way she is, Diting doing so much damage and Lily being Lily, we already know the powercreep is gonna go through the roof

[full delta]

You miss even with 230% accuracy here

[brave heath]

so whats ur guess then if you are just doing normal content

[barren tree]

Just a message to come to this chat month later (if discord of this game will still exist at this time)

[mental mural]

200 minimum

[brave heath]

if you're doing hard 3 terrormaton how much accuracy does a kloss need for her s3

and how much would a mio want?

[mental mural]

+200% actuary minimum

[wheat elk]

So you do in E7 lol, I literally have 380 resist build there lol

[ornate moth]

Clearly you don’t know everything in this game though. Like nothing has ever been more clear

[mental mural]

Its actually tragic

[ornate moth]

not even basic stuff like why gem refreshing might be a good idea

[full delta]

Never played E7 so I can’t give input on that but I don’t think yu can even hit that high of effect acc here

[brave heath]

10% perma resist is legendary

[mental mural]

Plus 100 accuracy should be fine

[brave heath]

im asking him i want to see his answer now u 😡

not u*

[wheat elk]

Why people mad when I call out this game copy other game and reskin it and add more modes etc when thats the case lol

[brave heath]

all these turn based gachas are similar

[distant wedge]

[brave heath]

e7 is a sw copy

[mental mural]

Okay mate

[quick sapphire]

Show gems, I'm curious xD

[wheat elk]

When I denied that? E7 copy SW and this game copy E7 and HSR

[brave heath]

didnt copy hsr more like copied sw and e7

[wheat elk]

They copied HSR with story stuff and how you can walk with MC etc

[mental mural]

You're misunderstanding
You simply aren't understanding what the issue at hand is

[quick sapphire]

How progressed are you? that's impressive

[distant wedge]

i’ll manualling h4 terror and aurora, once i lvl5 my rilmocha’s s3 i can auto h4

[brave heath]

0 stabilizers used i assume ye @distant wedge

[distant wedge]

i prepared all the gears and shells

[brave heath]

i think 56-57 is cap for no stabilizers

[mental mural]

Show that doki doki hell 4 team homie

[wheat elk]

I do after I got the answers I wanted, people wanna clear everything first week and get perfect sets/gears ASAP

[quick sapphire]

The true f2pgod

[distant wedge]

actually i didnt know about it at first so i used some i believe

i have 63 right now

[brave heath]

ye prob used like 10 or so then

[wheat elk]

I played E7, trust me I know this conversation very well

[mental mural]

We're in the 3rd week

[ornate moth]

🙄 kinda proving the point that u don’t understand it

[brave heath]

depends if you minmaxed the shell story apparently some people got a bunch from the like

mini shops you could roll on

[mental mural]

But how?!

[distant wedge]

it’s not ready bro , need to skill up kazuyo as well

just need 2x to come

[ornate moth]

pretty close to how many I have, I think I’m at like 56 or something

[mental mural]

When its ready tag me

[mental mural]

I also have 56

[brave heath]

theres a ton of good units for doki h4/inferno farm u can do

[wheat elk]

This thread was made after 10 days game released so

[mental mural]

I don't have kloss mio xiada and lily

[brave heath]

what did u target

also i dont have lily either

[mental mural]

Again
We're in the 3rd week

[mental mural]

Rilmocha

[brave heath]

rip

kloss is my (second) goat

[mental mural]

She can't one shot anymore 💔

[brave heath]

mio is the goat then kloss

[wheat elk]

Again this thread was made before 2 weeks of game release mark, so people cry they cant auto highest diff content in the game without even fully investing in it

[brave heath]

post what ssr u have @mental mural

[distant wedge]

bro i’ll be using kloss

[wheat elk]

They think this is a Hoyo game

[mental mural]

Don't have them

[brave heath]

ye i just wanna see what you have so i can suggest a team for h4 if u needed one

unless u were just asking to see his

[mental mural]

Yeah inferno doki doki will NOT be clearable lol

[wheat elk]

Why you need Kloss to clear doki?

[distant wedge]

DID WE HAVE SMTH BEFORE OR WHAT, WHY R U DOING THIS

[brave heath]

you wouldn't "need" her you COULD clear without her it would probably just be like much much rougher

[distant wedge]

f inferno

[brave heath]

h4 you could clear without kloss

inferno honestly might be like way too hard to without her

[mental mural]

?????

[ornate moth]

u can clear inferno with gray over kloss it’s just not as ideal

[mental mural]

My units

[brave heath]

the difference would be quite massive for autoing it

[distant wedge]

nvm bro, it’s not you it was someone else

i got it wrong

sorry

[wheat elk]

I auto H3 already without any Kloss or fancy SSR MLs lol

[brave heath]

xiada, freya, gray, valerian, kazuyo

should do h4 pretty easily

[mental mural]

Again
We're in the 3rd week
Nothings changed

[brave heath]

actually swap out freya or valerian

[wheat elk]

I dont even have any 6* star char

Or any maxed shell and still mid gear

[ornate moth]

literally no one cares

[brave heath]

would prob swap out the freya cuz no kloss

xiada, gray, valerian, kazuyo, +1

[ornate moth]

write it in your diary or something

[mental mural]

We dont care
Enjoy your hell 3 terrormaton lil bro

[wheat elk]

If you can clear Inferno without using any SSR CD, then this thread should be closed, kinda useless

[mental mural]

Do i need lattice on xiada?
And does she need to be 6 stars?

[ornate moth]

kinda useless, like every word you’ve said in here

[mental mural]

Who are you using?

[formal snow]

Bro just acknowledge you don't know what's going on😭

[brave heath]

all dps ideally you want at 6* but for h4 you probably could use at 5* i guess

[distant wedge]

well she is ur main dps so yes 6*

[mental mural]

Quit trying to make the game worse 💔

[brave heath]

xiada also would want lattices ye, might work without for h4 tho

[mental mural]

What about rilmocha?

[brave heath]

you can probably use rilmocha fine in h4 aswell?

i know people weren't having much trouble in h4 but when u go to inferno shes like

arguably much worse in inferno

[wheat elk]

People just rushing fully clearing the game and rushing quiting it, classic gacha players, just have fun lol, have a goal and a stage to work towards to clear one day, is literally the most fun you will have in this game, once you can auto everything then it will just become another daily chore gacha

[brave heath]

so you might as well just play around xiada earlier

[brave heath]

ye my goal is to be able to do inferno after they fix it b4 2x rates thanks for agreeing with me friend

[ornate moth]

my brother YOU ARE NOT EVEN LV50. Your only “knowledge” of the game is knowledge of epic 7 that you are assuming transfers over fully. I have no idea why you insist on weighing in on a situation you clearly know nothing about

[brave heath]

dokidoki probably shouldnt really be nerfed, but debateable, the rest surely should be nerfed

[distant wedge]

not much really, i need to lvl up beyo’s s2 for the 2cd so i can manual h4 aurora and terror, stuck at astarte as sell…

[ornate moth]

how are u gonna be sharing inferno opinions and haven’t unlocked inferno

[brave heath]

doki has enough viable units that its not that bad, the rest dont

[mental mural]

Will try it with rilmocha right now since she's already at 6 stars almost max level
Is it an auto team btw?

[brave heath]

ye full auto

[clever tapir]

Drama?

[brave heath]

should work if you have like 150% accuracy on kazuyo and ur rilmocha or xiada does good dam

[mental mural]

W
Thank you homie
Will try

[brave heath]

mine was 100% success with a very similar team using massiah, who is arguably worse than xiada or rilmocha would be in h4

[mental mural]

A random bum is arguing about something he literally doesn't comprehend

[brave heath]

the no kloss might make your gear requirements a bit higher tho not sure

[ornate moth]

idk some boomer with 0 brain plasticity insisting on giving his input when he has no idea what the discussion is even about lol

[brave heath]

cuz she does bring some damage amplification, and atbar pushback

but h4 doki isnt that bad

[mental mural]

Keep in mind he's been slaving epic 7 for 7 years
Ironic

[brave heath]

i think rilmocha will work fine for h4, i would swap to xiada when u wanna do inferno tho

[mental mural]

Bet

[wheat elk]

Just coz im not a whale and waste my stamina that doesnt mean I know nothing lol, and yes this game have a lot copied from E7 and most of it I already know just coz I played E7, idk why this make you mad, you think this game is original or what?

[brave heath]

arguably rilmocha is probably better in h4 than xiada is

[patent gate]

I have fun playing pvp, not doing pve farm manually

[mental mural]

Hell 4 doki doki come to papa 🥳

[distant wedge]

need me mio

[brave heath]

not sure what 5th you would bring still looking at it

yes mio is very strong lol

[clever tapir]

Ah

[mental mural]

We are NOT the mode is accessible and cannot be cleared without certain units
Whales can't do it with maxed out units
Why should casuals be able to?

[ornate moth]

It’s obvious from everything u say that u know barely anything about this game or this inferno difficulty situation. Not related to whether you spend money or stamina refresh. Like 10 people have seen ur takes and all said “oh, this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about”

[wheat elk]

Nah you dont just play this game for PvP, if so then I must tell you there are so many better PvP games than this lol

[brave heath]

this guy is level 40 he hasnt seen the content he has, quite literally, no clue whats going on just ignore him lol his opinions are as irrelevant as it gets

[brave heath]

better than e7 pvp at least but sure something like league is more competitive skill wise

[mental mural]

He's stuck on hell 3 btw

[ornate moth]

probably wandered in here by accident and doesn’t know how to go back to another channel or that this is a thread about a lv 50+ mode

has to call the grandkids to help him exit out of the thread

[brave heath]

i wanna say hes just a ragebaiter but i think hes actually just this clueless

usually you can tell they're just ragebaiting rofl

[wheat elk]

ofc end game stages should be cleared with certain units, as long they are not SSR CD chars then whats the issue lol, e7 have this for 7 years already, thats the point of having to build more chars, you wanna clear everything with 5 chars or what

[mental mural]

Some people just love arguing about things they dont understand
Its a common theme in here

[mental mural]

So in the end your argument is being lucky

[wheat elk]

Most people that complain bout not clearning Inferno, dont even have maxed shell/gear and build a good team for that from everything they got

[ornate moth]

shadowflame hoyan has not been cleared without LD SSRs as far as any of us know

[brave heath]

its funny how clueless you are

[ornate moth]

You are not even at lv 50 and don’t know the slightest thing about the game, how would you know the account status of the sweaty endgame players that are trying to clear these fights lol

[wheat elk]

Again if such content exist that you can only clear with LD SSRs, then yeah thats an issue, but I heard thats not the case?