inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[glass void]

no i can't since it's not displayed on the vitory screen

[indigo matrix]

Bro its not a display thing, the order was the same when the attacks started

[lilac lotus]

Could you come VC and show me how it worked?

[indigo matrix]

Sometimes my holden would go before and sometimes after

[lilac lotus]

I would love to be able to share this team with more people

[indigo matrix]

Even when attacks started

[uncut mica]

then you're at the bosses exact speed

that's the only time RNG comes into play

[glass void]

my first time win on inferno was with val isntead of RC and now i'm trying to make that team more stable/faster RC attacks so triggers fangus and can extend the dots no where near auto stable atm though since i lack a ton of purple lettuce

[uncut mica]

get exactly 1 more and you'll always take turn 1

[lilac lotus]

No i just want to see it live or at least can you show it with the boss low hp?

[indigo matrix]

Thatd be my guess yes but how come now with even more speed i wasnt able to get in front of terror? Unless they shadow buffed terror or “fixed” him something is not right

[glass void]

I'm at work right now.... 😄
I can hop on later but it'll take a few tries to see it win

[distant plaza]

What is the Boss speed ?

[lilac lotus]

haha awsome

[uncut mica]

265 or 266 for the main body and something like 310 for the attacking arm

[glass void]

low ish

[distant plaza]

is there a way to see the exact values ?
I want all base stat for the bosses

[glass void]

probably just need to slap on a few more artisans and get the RC to somethign ore than 3* that should lessen the pressure a bit ^^

[uncut mica]

crack open the game and grab them from the files. or use the buff icon in the top right and compare %s to the unit that takes turn 1

[indigo matrix]

@uncut mica 264 speed and in front now tho?

So hes not at 265-266

[lilac lotus]

Thats awsome dude, loveing the work!!

[glass void]

working ingame isntead of at work, what a life 😄

[ruby canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k_A214UR98 vid of RC strat

[distant plaza]

This info should be available before you start the fight, we should have basic stats on bosses. Many games provide that, it will help putting plans.

Also without having that info public, the boss can be shadow buffed and no one can even complain about it

[lilac lotus]

oh sick another one

you boys doing angel works

gives me more ammo to share when helping people build teams

[mental mural]

Manual is okay but what about on auto?

[upbeat breach]

as long as it works on manual it is ok, that is not the problem

[ruby canyon]

on auto you just use one of the other strats, viper lingluo or smth and go a bit slower

[upbeat breach]

a lot of the dot teams dont work on auto either

[ruby canyon]

I've seen great use of marvell, mio, obol for cc

[warped kestrel]

That's not ok, 99% of people playing 10x autobattle gacha games aren't going to spend hours manualing dungeons.

[upbeat breach]

Just make an auto team later. You are not supposed to be able to just auto everything the moment that you hit 50, you guys are just delulu

[surreal bobcat]

gonna be real, ive done 200 ish stmina on manual today for inferno hoyan, this is the most unfun shit in the world

[warped kestrel]

This is the first autobattle PvP-focused gacha game that has had me manualing PvE dungeons for days.

[full delta]

Clearing inferno Doki semi consistently on auto ~80% winrate but every time is like super close

230% max s1 s3 chance reverie missed sleep 5 turns in a row which is kinda wild

[surreal bobcat]

yeah, the worse part is when you fail the instance because you miss a cc

[mental mural]

Been manually hell 4 terrormaton for 2 hours on extreme difficulty
Only got 1 good piece so far
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

[surreal bobcat]

same with me, miss 1 cc and ggs. RNG is the true final boss

[mental mural]

"Just make an auto team later"
Genuinely people like you need to stfu

[warped kestrel]

Every bit of it is ridiculous. You should be autoing every single dungeon the moment you have the gear, correct affinity, and correct character role for it.

[upbeat breach]

You either get the correct team for auto or you fucking manual it, it is that simple

[warped kestrel]

The correct team for autoing PvE dungeons in a PvP-focused autobattle gacha game shouldn't be 2 LD SSRs.

[mental mural]

We might be the only gacha players manuelling dungeons for hours in 2025

[full delta]

Honestly the only thing is just turn down the resistances - it’s a dungeon focused on cc’ing yet they resist said cc like 80% of the time

[mental mural]

Holy yapping

[surreal bobcat]

that i might not agree with. I feel like once you cleared the dungeon you should be able to auto. But keep the same star scoring system. So your first manual clear, you took 10mins, cool you can now auto clear 5 runs at a time at 10mins. You get more gear, you improve, your next manual attempt, its 3 mins, now you get 2 stars and you can do 8 auto clears etc etc

[upbeat breach]

You can do inferno terror with full RGB SSR + SR. So what is the issue?

[torpid willow]

Xddddddd

[upbeat breach]

They need to nerf inferno, but you guys just want everything without doing any work at all

Havent seem a single lily in 3 betas + launch

[torpid willow]

But if there’s a comp that clears it without gear and without leveling characters, why do the rest of us have to suffer and max everything out?

[upbeat breach]

because that comp is garbage in pvp

[ruby canyon]

cuz you need to have and build two specific SSR units that aren't really used anywhere else

[lilac lotus]

Because dots are busted in every game, also did you not see the rc77 team that was just posted

[upbeat breach]

I still think they need to nerf everything, but btching that you dont want to manual is not the answer

[warped kestrel]

Show me the Inferno Terror team that can auto with a team that isn't using Inferno gear and multiple extremely specific RGB SSRs that you're extremely likely to simply not pull on your way to 50. I'll even accept a team that is using 1 single RGB SSR under those conditions, as you can technically just grab that from your selective summon.

[mental mural]

The issue is that I don't have those RGB + SR units

[surreal bobcat]

we never said we want everything without doing any work. I clearly said you should still have to do the first clear manual. Then if your time is bad you can progressively improve it through other manual clears. But auto should be there as soon as you have the first completion.

[indigo matrix]

Where?

[upbeat breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEGzq_Ccl80&ab_channel=LeviatraCaelum

[lilac lotus]

Inferno Nico all srs

[upbeat breach]

Did it 6 days ago with zero inferno gear

So what is the issue now?

[mental mural]

I don't mind manualling inferno and hell stages for 6 hours a day
But unfortunately
I got a job

[mental mural]

And a family

[lilac lotus]

This one has a 3 star rc77

[upbeat breach]

So wait until you have enough gear to do on auto, simple

[indigo matrix]

What difficulty is that i cant see it

[lilac lotus]

Inferno

[upbeat breach]

You either spend time or money, cant choose to not spend anything

[indigo matrix]

Uncrop the pic

[distant wedge]

lol

[lilac lotus]

Not my pic

[torpid willow]

There are people who can do it without gear, without leveling characters or skills, and they still do it faster and more consistently

[distant wedge]

bro has trust issues

but yeah uncrop it

[lilac lotus]

It’s Firesnakes team

[distant wedge]

better not leave a room for anything

[upbeat breach]

BUt that had nothing to do with what I am saying. I said that people cant expect to auto everything the moment they hit the content, without doing anything at all to solve the problem

[lilac lotus]

See the pic he posted I just responded too

[indigo matrix]

??? Im just asking to uncrop it so we get a better proof of this team working, someone did the same thing to me earlier when i talked about terror acting weird

[warped kestrel]

I see 3 extremely specific RGB SSRs in that video, which is also not showing their gear. How is the average player going to do this if they don't luck out and pull all of those RGB SSRs? (I'm being charitable here and just going with the assumption that they're not using inferno gear)

[cold bluff]

That's assuming you can get enough gear to consistently do it on auto

[upbeat breach]

There are manual teams but the guy said that since it is manual it is worthless

[mental mural]

And to grind those gear i need to manually play for 6 hours minimum a day and pray I'm lucky

[cold bluff]

The devs just cranked up the numbers without testing

[distant wedge]

yeah i saw it, i said uncrop it afterwards, sorry

[upbeat breach]

How it is inferno gear if it was the first clear in the whole game?

[cold bluff]

You won't convince me otherwise

[mental mural]

Which boss is this?

[indigo matrix]

Dw!

Cant fully trust that pic unless the guy uncrops

[lilac lotus]

@indigo matrix

[distant wedge]

yeah

[lilac lotus]

Missed a couple of dots

Shows near beat

I also asked for proof

[upbeat breach]

Leviatra was the first person to clear inferno on global and he used that comp. He also said he has 80% win rate

[distant wedge]

ah there u go

[warped kestrel]

How do you know that was the first clear of any inferno dungeon at all in the entire game from watching that video?

[indigo matrix]

Thats crazy

[upbeat breach]

Because I saw it live

[lilac lotus]

Yea it’s insane but doable

[upbeat breach]

He is the only one that did it the moment we hit lv 50

[lilac lotus]

But it’s running a 3 star rc77 which is wild

[warped kestrel]

So, this was the very first dungeon to have its inferno cleared, and it was done by this team of this person? - and again, even if I'm charitable and believe you, you haven't addressed the fact that this team is using 3 extremely specific gacha RGB SSRs that the average player won't pull all 3 of.

[lilac lotus]

And this team should do all but Sharon

[mental mural]

He's assuming after no life manualling it for days you'll hopefully be able to auto it

[mental mural]

He's assuming after no life manualling it for days you'll hopefully be able to auto it

[distant wedge]

bro had to do it twice

[upbeat breach]

You are the one that said you could use selector for it and just pick veronika

freya was in the banner too

[warped kestrel]

You can use selector for one of those characters, you can't use selector for all 3 of them.

[lilac lotus]

Guys dosnt matter solutions are being found with non sania dot teams so even f2p will be able to do inferno terra soon

[distant wedge]

[upbeat breach]

Doesnt matter at all

[distant wedge]

they dont care

[upbeat breach]

You can use the wall of china team if you dont have that one

[lilac lotus]

I know they just wana argue

[distant wedge]

[warped kestrel]

It does matter, because the average player will not have those 3 specific characters and will be met with a wall that will tempt them to just uninstall the game.

[upbeat breach]

But the fact is that it can be done without mandatory LDs

[indigo matrix]

Yes but bosses in general still need a lot of balancing,

Relying on 1 game mechanic to be able to clear content is not the way i vision having fun down the road

[finite palm]

If they nerf inferno like they should it will be easier to auto either way, feels like a pointless argument right now

[upbeat breach]

DOT - multiple versions
Veronika
wall of china

just choose one

[lilac lotus]

Dude I want a 15% nerf so bad

[mental mural]

Don't forget to tell him we have jobs

[distant wedge]

15% discount on terror pls

[mental mural]

We can only hope

[lilac lotus]

But the Rc77 team gives us hope

[indigo matrix]

They need to reduce boss damage,

As for their hp i think its fine as it is, maybe reduce speed a little too, needing ~10 speed on each gear piece to be able to get in front of a boss on inferno is crazy work, especially with the attrocious gear rng

[upbeat breach]

Need to reduce all stats by 15%

[indigo matrix]

If they reduce boss damage atleast sustains will feel like they actually sustain

Current sustains only prevent you from getting 1hit but they dont really sustain enough

[mental mural]

Just reduce the damage and speed by 40%

Rest is fine

[indigo matrix]

Nah thats way too much reduction i think

[lilac lotus]

Honestly a small damage nerf and remove the ramping damage this shit be fine

[upbeat breach]

You need 270+ on dispeller for terror for example, doki resistance is also a nightmare for any team without rilmocha

[indigo matrix]

Truu

[charred minnow]

getting close to one shotting doki doki wave 1 💪

[upbeat breach]

Having to run 240+acc on every debuffer and still missing the CC sucks way too much

[lilac lotus]

The resistance isn’t the problem it’s the inate 10% resist that means you auto lose 1 in 10

Otherwise doki inferno easiest dungeon

[charred minnow]

you don't need 240

you will always miss 10% of the time

[upbeat breach]

Kaz doesnt care about 10% at all, the only thing she cares is the resist

[charred minnow]

;-;

[indigo matrix]

Yeah we need datamines on how EFF Acc works cus the info is all over the place

[warped kestrel]

What team?

[mental mural]

A 12 set swiftrusu with plus 13 speed on my shell isn't enough to outspeed it
40% speed reduction is needed
And a unit guaranteed to die without moving is atrocious
Only a 40% damage cut will prevent that

[upbeat breach]

She needs to have a lot of acc to move from 45 to 90%

And even with a lot of acc, she will have to roll to hit the debuff or not

[mental mural]

Ah I needed 240+
I only have 200

[lilac lotus]

40% is a lot the boss should have like 230 spd maybe? But 40% would me they are 180 spd which is to low

[charred minnow]

Kloss -> Yang -> Kaz -> Ril -> any sustain

[upbeat breach]

I have 220+ and I miss a lot, so I have no idea how much is needed

[warped kestrel]

Got Count on the Ril?

[charred minnow]

yee

[indigo matrix]

^

[charred minnow]

great name

[warped kestrel]

[upbeat breach]

you got beyontin?

[charred minnow]

yes

[mental mural]

Without kloss?

[upbeat breach]

just run beyontin and one shot everything

[lilac lotus]

Honestly I should be a dev I’d have this shit sorted in a few days and you players would hate me

But the game would be fun

[warped kestrel]

Beyontin's AI is atrocious for auto, if it wasn't she would make life so much easier.

[mental mural]

We need test servers and all boss stats @devs

[charred minnow]

if I can one shot the waves I'll manual it

[upbeat breach]

dont really matter, she only need to cast s3 for the atk+crit d buff

[mental mural]

Without beyothin?

[indigo matrix]

Comes from this

[upbeat breach]

lily I guess

[charred minnow]

I know

[indigo matrix]

Rengokutsu is very immuneyney

[charred minnow]

yes

[lilac lotus]

Sorry for pinging @glass void just was showing your run

[charred minnow]

imunimumney

[arctic plover]

</>3

[mental mural]

Without lily?

[upbeat breach]

just need to run codex on everyone except for rilmocha

[upbeat breach]

Not sure in that case, need to see how can give crit damage buff

[indigo matrix]

Currently farming for codex cus yeah apparently its busted

[glass void]

you'll have to take my word for it, besides it's far from stable at that level of investment, i'll drop a few levels(already did that since then) and lattice into RC and obol to get it stable on auto the screencap was mostly a proof of concept but it was indeed inferno

[upbeat breach]

dorothy I guess

O wait dorothy is on s2, so doesnt work

[arctic plover]

yang works

[indigo matrix]

Also this was my “1st reward” drop codex

[arctic plover]

yang has the same atk+cdam buff

[upbeat breach]

Need to be either lily or beyo for the buff

[upbeat breach]

isnt it atk+crit%?

[arctic plover]

wait true

[indigo matrix]

Bro ure late we saw the full pic its fine

[arctic plover]

well then use cdam cdam cdam rightside

[upbeat breach]

but can always trade de crit piece for crit damage

[arctic plover]

ye

[upbeat breach]

can also run another dps in the 5th slot to damage the mobs a bit

kloss+yang+kaz to cycle stuff, ril to kill and the 5th to either increase damage or deal damage

Just not sure you can do it without kloss

[charred minnow]

beyontin gets fucked hard

[distant wedge]

….

[upbeat breach]

Doesnt matter, the mobs wont move at all

[charred minnow]

r u stupid or something?

I know why she gets fucked hard

[distant wedge]

so fking toxic

💀

[charred minnow]

ye add 0 to the convo

[arctic plover]

guys relax

it's fiiine

everything is fine

[errant dome]

whoever designed inferno is retarded

lets hope ssania banner comes next rotation

shilling for dot team is the only way we can auto inferno it seems

when a maxed duped, maxed geared non-dot team cant even clear those stages, while a 5 star dot team with shitty gear can, thats a clear gameplay design flaw

[mental mural]

Chill on them
This is what I'm manualling for between 😂

[errant dome]

4 star SR clearing

while a full 6 star team that isnt dot cant

its not even building specific substats to counter a boss or even affinity

its just abusing max hp% damage because the bosses are so overtuned no other comp can clear it consistently

😂

ill reach inferno faster by rerolling for a new account with ssania+ lily

[turbid ridge]

can you show me your stackd 6 star team

i would have thought a full 6 star team higher lvl with mytic gear could clear it

[errant dome]

i have every ssr except ssania,hein,mio and hellkid

full mythic 6 stars

main team

at least 250 speed on supports

30k hp 1.6k def

[mental mural]

That's what a guy in my guild is doing 😂

[errant dome]

nothing clears

[turbid ridge]

maybe you run a shit team

thats not suited for the content

[errant dome]

alright buddy

let me know when u get to hell

[proper talon]

Need to be faster than that

[mental mural]

So only specific units are required?

[turbid ridge]

i jsut dont beleive you have maxed units thats all

[errant dome]

how??

i have at least 9 speed substat rolls

lily is 288 fully maxed

[mental mural]

Yeah we aint clearing that

[carmine palm]

6* and maxing S1 generally gives a bunch of additional speed, but yea without good rolls on substats and shell you're pretty capped

[proper talon]

Farming, my account is on day 10 now, I have been farming hell 4 and hell 3 since day 7, my supports were 250 speed on day 7

[carmine palm]

all of my speed rolls above 10 speed are on dps gear

[fading delta]

inferno maybe not but hell surely is doable no?

[proper talon]

This is more like an end game speed that will give you a chance in inferno

[errant dome]

brother, ive 3 starred hell IV since day 3

[fading delta]

ohh okay

[errant dome]

i max stam farm everyday

[proper talon]

Considering that isn't actually possible because you wouldn't have any where near enough pots to hit lvl 35 on day 3

[errant dome]

there is no clearing inferno shells stages consistently unless u get a ssania

[warped kestrel]

Hell is doable. Hell 4 difficulty is what Inferno's difficulty should have been, this is an autobattle PvP-focused gacha game after all.

[errant dome]

endgame is farming substats for pvp

[fading delta]

yea I agree inferno stage are overtuned. We'll see if the dev will do anything about it or no

[turbid ridge]

skill issue

[ruby canyon]

I think I did hit 35 on day 3 and did hell 4, might've been day 4 tho, day 1 was lvl18-19 day 2 29-30 so day 3 sounds accurate

[errant dome]

not trying to beat a pve stage

the drop rate is abysmal if youre trying to get 3-3-3 anyway

[warped kestrel]

Yup, the game starts once you can 10x auto the highest equipment dungeon stage, and the game is about spending the next 10 years grinding for perfect substat rolls on 30 different perfect sets for your PvP characters.

[errant dome]

gatekeeping it behind a specific LD team count is wild

[mental mural]

Hold on
This is a pvp game
If I'm manualling pve for 6 hours how will I play pvp

[fading delta]

i think its day 4 no? its impossible to get to lvl 35 day 3 even with max stam refesh and using all your stabilizer iirc. I might be wrong tho

[ruby canyon]

relax you won't manual in like a week, and they're looking at inferno difficulty, feedback was passed to devs

[turbid ridge]

and that should be after 1-2 weeks in your opnion?

[errant dome]

at this point, if we cant even clear inferno, we wont have fun in RTA for a few months at least

ssania enjoyers will have extra 25% spd from the 6 set

no chance

[warped kestrel]

Our progress is not 1-2 weeks progress, it's 2 weeks of max refreshing every day, which is actually months of an average player's progress.

[arctic plover]

easy, it's just unconventional.

In most of pvp games you are manualling pvp while pve is in the bakcground, while in this you manual pve while you do pvp in discord in the background.

It's just a slightly different design philosophy, that's all.

[turbid ridge]

why even bother with pve at all with that mindset. Just give us daily random gear with substats so we dont have to pve at all i mean whats the point

[warped kestrel]

We don't bother with PvE because we want to, we bother with PvE because these kind of games need to give us a reason to farm for the next 10 years. The point of PvE is not for it to be hard, it's to keep us grinding in auto for years to come.

[jolly relic]

regarding pve, dev should've learnt from hsr

[fading delta]

i kinda agree with that

[turbid ridge]

so you have the vision of the game and the devs dont?

[arctic plover]

they've learnt hp inflation from HSR, but instead of putting into the endgame applied it to a calyx

[warped kestrel]

This is the industry standard for every single one of these character collector PvP gacha games. This game is not revolutionary nor is it wanting to be, the devs simply had a terrible oversight when balancing these dungeons.

[turbid ridge]

They clearly want it to be this hard since they buffed it from the alst beta

[azure tundra]

If you played E7 or SW which this game takes after you'd know exactly how long the early game was for both releases despite the gap in release dates.

[warped kestrel]

Sure, you can say that, and they will soon find out why doing that is not industry standard. The people playing these type of games won't put up with having to manual in a 10x autobattle PvP gacha game.

[errant dome]

we are here for RTA

not to spam reset in an overtuned pve stage

and pray for good rng

[turbid ridge]

you aint even good enough for pve content what are you going to do in rta

[fading delta]

bruhhh

[warped kestrel]

I've been playing Summoners War since 2016, there was always a totally F2P team composed of 3*s and fusion 5stars that allowed you to auto the highest difficulty dungeon with trash runes as long as you have the proper mainstats.

[white veldt]

use actual units instead of building 7 different SRs for the sake of pve

[azure tundra]

You keep glossing over the time spent to get there but you know exactly why. LOL

[tribal osprey]

[azure tundra]

It's okay to admit you dont want to do the marathon anymore its not appealing to you

[warped kestrel]

The time to get there didn't matter, as soon as we were able to 6* the characters and get the trash runes with the correct mainstat, we were able to auto. We already have 6* units and correct mainstat +15 mythic gear in this game, we've already passed the industry standard threshold to be able to auto these slop equipment dungeons in this 10x autobattle PvP gacha game.

[errant dome]

i would not be mad if they nerfed dot teams and made it so everyone is not able to clear inferno unless you have BiS substats

[azure tundra]

Oh so now it doesn't matter

LOL

Infinite goalpost move technique activate

[errant dome]

its simply unfair that a shitty dot team is farming BiS while everyone else has to wait

[turbid ridge]

why cant you jsut do what you can do like i did not farm threshold for 7 days now.

[tribal osprey]

To be fair I don’t remember summoners war launching with an esports cup

[errant dome]

if you disagree you either have a dot team built or you arent pushing inferno stages

[warped kestrel]

No, it doesn't matter, we have already capped in progression outside of skill ups and optimal substat rolls. It would be absurd if we're required to max skill and get perfect substat rolls on all our modules before we can even start doing Inferno.

[azure tundra]

To be fair we have 90 days until this season is even over

[white veldt]

bros, I just want to play pokemon against other trainers in the pvp arena, I dont want to manual inferno for 20 hours on saturday

let me bring my charizard (Lian) and squirtle (Rosa) to fight their Bulbasaur (Rilmocha) tyvm

[tribal osprey]

Blud they literally launched it with an esports cup

The qualifier was in beta

[azure tundra]

wait pause so you are saying you will go into SW and summoners war with no skill ups at only 5* units and have an easy time clearing the hardest content

[tribal osprey]

Top 16 are already in

[white veldt]

I just want to do my battles 🫡
like cool, I can do Inferno, I dont want to manual it tho

[azure tundra]

😭

[mental mural]

I finally clocked it
The arguing in discord is our pvp experience
Genuis

[limber palm]

Its okay man, we have long known the chat is built different.

[azure tundra]

what does the beta placings for top 16 have ANYTHING to do with this current situation

[limber palm]

[azure tundra]

LOOLOL yeah im just having some fun frfr

[tribal osprey]

I’m talking about the tournament

[arctic plover]

I will go further and mention that the increase from a single substat (2-3% crate) is lower than in the similar games (3-5% crate in e7) thus optimising for better modules gives comparatively smaller benefit.

So not onyl we have gear that is enough in similar games, we have less room for growth than in those games.

[warped kestrel]

Where did you read that? I clearly said 6*, not 5star. And yes, skill ups are not necessary to auto equipment dungeons in Summoners War nor E7 nor any other one of these 10x autobattle, PvP-focused gacha games, as that would be an unreasonable ask from a game like this.

[azure tundra]

I know and im telling you this holds 0 weight in the topic at hand

[white veldt]

theres substats on modules that arent speed?

today I learned, never knew

[sudden wedge]

ews registration locks this sunday

[tribal osprey]

It does. It’s why people feel the need to rush

[arctic plover]

[tribal osprey]

[white veldt]

oki but the players who spent 12$ want to compete with the whales and theyre gonna be salty

[arctic plover]

that's funny, but I only learnt 2 days ago that there are substats that aren't def

[white veldt]

"its an esport" says f2p account who lost to 2800$ whale

[azure tundra]

So raise your hand how many of you actualy planned on entering the tournament

[sudden wedge]

I think it’s more like people who spent 2k with no ssania

[warped kestrel]

True, and it's the same in SW, where the max substat roll is 8% for ATK/DEF/HP% and 6 for SPD.

[azure tundra]

ill take this sidequest rq

[tribal osprey]

Moving the goal post now

Zzzzzz

[white veldt]

spend another 2k then

[azure tundra]

answer instead of pretending im moving it

[arctic plover]

yeah, to be honest it's something I did like in beta.

[azure tundra]

im just setting you up with how stupid the comment was becausei t has nothing to do with ANY of our points

[white veldt]

nah but the whales be spending anyway for ssania

[tribal osprey]

You are moving it. People want to rush it cause the tournament is launched with it

[azure tundra]

noone here said hey i wanna be a tournament player a single time

[turbid ridge]

cant take a tourney srs that let ppl in from a beta

[azure tundra]

stop putting words in their mouths

[sudden wedge]

the beta had 0 competition

literally bots till 2500

[left snow]

anybody here doing inferno doki with mocha ?

[arctic plover]

Smaller substats means there is a less room for geargapping making the experience more fair and compeititive.

but the downside is that you can not overgear via substats. If you can't clear -- you are done.

[white veldt]

my real reaction to this is: "Theres a tournament?"

[tribal osprey]

A few

[turbid ridge]

yeah cause no adult would put in time into a beta

[ruby canyon]

I did sign up but what rank you gotta be at the end of season?

[white veldt]

im getting geargapped by speed substats alright-

[tribal osprey]

Seii has a vid of it @left snow

[left snow]

can you link it if you dont mind ?

[arctic plover]

that's... true actually. The amount you get from speed being smaller doesn't matter since it's a direct 1v1 stat.

[tribal osprey]

https://youtu.be/CkgVV2XUYyU?si=Pc0mppl2QkduCBf0 in the middle

[sudden wedge]

there’s 128 qualifiers, and 16 already chosen so probably within top 100

lb seems to be cross region anyway

[open fable]

you need 220 i think? right? or was it 205

[white veldt]

speed is the only stat that matters cuz of that rlly

like you cant geargap and battles are mostly rock paper scissors

so its jut speed

[ruby canyon]

cool yeah i missed the beta seemed like easy mode tho lmao

[white veldt]

exp x2?
is the xp x2? wtf is this graphic?

[tribal osprey]

Idk ask seii yourself

[ruby canyon]

that's the icon when investigation is doubled

[warped kestrel]

Yes, I'm also a fan of how low the substat rolls are in this game, as that means it probably won't take me 10 years of autofarming the equipment dungeon to get 30 sets of perfect speed rolls like it did in SW. In any case, you're correct, there is very little room for growth within Hell-grade modules(we shouldn't be needing good substat rolls to 10x autofarm the Inferno dungeons to begin with)

[white veldt]

so for dokidoki, has anyone tried rosa, xiada, mio, freya, valerian yet?

for massive revelation dmg and mio freeze being better than slumber

cuz I dont have rilmocha for the one shots :(

[arctic plover]

mio doesn't get bonus effacc from elemental advantage

[warped kestrel]

Her freeze is unfortunately not better than slumber, since it's extremely inconsistent compared to Kaz's slumber

[arctic plover]

kaz has multihit on her cc

[white veldt]

well her freeze is there to stay alive, not to do dmg

[ruby canyon]

if you run triple revelation sounds not bad, mio freeze is 1 hit 40% at max so unreliable tho

[arctic plover]

so it's a lot more consistent

and she has free effacc from being green

[white veldt]

all the dmg would be from revelation

[sudden wedge]

you get bonus acc from elemental adv?

[white veldt]

which doesnt care about the dmg reduction afaik

its just true dmg

[ruby canyon]

you'd want kraken on codex and triple revelation for consistency

if you go that route

[arctic plover]

I think so? thought it's +- 50

let me check

[white veldt]

whats the effect res on inferno?

[sudden wedge]

I think it’s only -50 for disadvantage

[white veldt]

its only -50 for disadvantage

[arctic plover]

oh I see my bad

[white veldt]

idk, I think most consistent setup would be a full revelation + some way to tank

cc aint gonna be consistent anyway

[ruby canyon]

thanks for this, so all players get equal accounts on tournament server.. I don't think it's unthinkable for a non-whale to get top 16

in rta

[arctic plover]

you can bring a cd resetter to need less tanking @white veldt

[white veldt]

any aoe cd resetters?

[arctic plover]

actually tsukiyomi might be goated, she also has CC

tsukiyomi

[sudden wedge]

that’s old news

[white veldt]

of course its the one I dont have

:(((

[sudden wedge]

they will just mirror account data on a different server

[azure tundra]

Yeee I peaked at 15 but i got greedy and went -40 in two games LOLOLOL

[sudden wedge]

still gapped

[arctic plover]

red kazuyo, not sure if she will live

[ruby canyon]

oooh

[white veldt]

+200% dmg to Reason

https://tenor.com/QXKY.gif

[arctic plover]

yeah but if she doesn't get hit

she will live

[white veldt]

valerian can save her once

but thats it

maybe invincibility

[white veldt]

AI will target the character they have advantage again tho no?

[arctic plover]

so the team is

freya kazuyo rosa rc-77 xiada questionmark?

do you actually have 5 revelations?

||I do||

[uncut mica]

for DokiDoki? If you wanna run a red unit you need to have them on bloodbath

[arctic plover]

oh that works

bloodbath timeweave kazuyo

on codex

she will reduce cd twice in aoe

it looks like an actual cook tbh

you get 8 revelation procs in a row

[ruby canyon]

you can run celince on rev, 4 hits aoe and atk down plus extra shields cuz no valerian

[arctic plover]

7 because freya is misaligned (but we need her for atk buff)

if you don't have bloodbath you can run her on void shell so she can't be hit outside of aoe, she will die after the first cd reset but that's good enough

this is a genuine cook I think

[uncut mica]

If you're going for rev spam though you can also use Celince if you have her instead of RC since she's 4 hit AOE instead of 1+3

[arctic plover]

do we have enough characters with 3t aoe?

[ruby canyon]

i literally said this 1 message above lmao

[arctic plover]

rc isn't great his ult is misaligned he doesn't work

[uncut mica]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[ruby canyon]

celince is 3t if you lattice her fwiw

3t 4 hits

[arctic plover]

I guess massiah works

only 2 hits but he has some personal damage if he hits after kazuyo

if you have celince the team with speedtuning is

Freya Celince Xiada/rosa (the first wave dies here) Green Kazuyo Red Kazuyo on void

second rotation freya pushes rosa hits celince refreshes teh shield kazuyo sleeps kazuyo dies and we have 3 more revs coming up

sounds good tbh

[sly ravine]

@fervent fox I'm looking to build that team for inferno terra that is in the pinned message as i want to use khloros in aurora too, mind sharing the stats and shells please? 😄

[arctic plover]

also we can very easily make it so green kazuyo is the first to act on the second wave and sleep everybody. As red kazuyo doesn't wake them you will get one less attack

[ruby canyon]

if you have tsukiyomi she can do atk/spd buff and CD reduction too

instead of red kazuyo

[arctic plover]

then you can cut freya

for somebody who is aligned

like massiah

celince is very good as she procs the debuff condition

so your xiada/rosa can contribute a bit with their normal damage on the first wave

so who else besides me has 4 revelations

expose yourself

[I still failed to get fury/momentum, kill me please. The only reason I've farmed so many.]

[unborn kindle]

can rilmocha auto inferno without kloss?

[uncut mica]

Without Kloss I think you'd need an AOE subDPS to go before her. Grey that's fast enough to lap her so he also AOEs wave 2 would work I think

that or absolutely cracked gear

[arctic plover]

rc-77 on a revelation

he is a def breaking subdps

issue is wave 2

[crude sparrow]

thursday and still dead silence

[chrome meteor]

i feel like we shouldn't expect a quick response to this

Balance, especially for CORE pve content, will take some time and really careful consideration

[uncut mica]

it's currently 1 am in China and today they were busy probably praying nothing went wrong with guild wars

[crude sparrow]

double drop event gonna brr

[ornate moth]

non-lily, non-ssania, non-veronika inferno terror clear in recents\

[uncut mica]

flash patch broke the localisation for it btw

[crude sparrow]

full 6 star team

vs full 5 star team

[chrome meteor]

where the non kloss non khloros version xddddd

[crude sparrow]

I bet the modules are high end too

[turbid ridge]

yeah so what

its not like you cant do it

[uncut mica]

No Kloss, no Kloros, Blue Andrew only run or game suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

[ornate moth]

ok? Look at my comment history in here I have complained many times about ssania users being able to clear inferno instantly while others are stuck grinding upgrades to do it. I just share all the non-ssania clears I find in here

[turbid ridge]

game gave you 500+ pulls im sure you have some units that can beat the stage

[chrome meteor]

i have literally everything but the few key units i need

[ornate moth]

none on the team had inferno modules

[crude sparrow]

bro I don´t want to invest all my lattices on the wall team, to change it in 2 weeks

[turbid ridge]

doesnt fit the narritve

[chrome meteor]

i can't read this chat

too braindead

cya

[crude sparrow]

what if my modules don´t cut it?

all lattices to the thrash

[arctic plover]

this is a very funny statement if you look deeper into it

[ornate moth]

I'm not trying to make a point that it's fair for ssania lily to cheese inferno immediately while others fall behind and need to heavily invest in specific units for each fight. Because I absolutely don't agree with that

I am literally just sharing a clear for the benefit of other people who are trying to build teams without shadow sania to clear this content

[chrome meteor]

its almost like we had 5 betas for this very reason

anyways

now im actually gone

[glass ruin]

wrong chat but do u all kill small mobs in astarte first or aim the boss

[turbid ridge]

heard that many times and see the same ppl day by day still here

[arctic plover]

yeah, khloros is the closest we have to a strong alternative for terror

unfortunately diting alone doesn't really cut it

[ornate moth]

I just used xiada so everything was cleave lol

[glass ruin]

do i really need lingluo for this

[ornate moth]

sadly I have no khloros so idk what imma do

[crude sparrow]

with double drop event these people will get if they do 750 runs total, around 300 of the new modules

[uncut mica]

Try to go into phase 2 with your cooldowns up by killing small mobs until then and preferably immunity up/ready so you get 1 round to burst down the dark mob

[ornate moth]

I saw some clears without her but I recommend it

[warped kestrel]

That's not even the issue with that team, it's 4 gacha SSRs, what are the odds of getting all 4 of those?

[ornate moth]

freya had a banner and holden has a banner rn lol

[warped kestrel]

And of course above all I'd like to know if it's an auto team or not

[ornate moth]

it looked full auto based on the ability order

but not 100% sure

[arctic plover]

eh in this case pretty high

[warped kestrel]

Every character will have a banner eventually, a new player going through the game won't have all 4 of those characters on average.

[arctic plover]

freya and holden had a banner, kloss was considered to be a good selective target

[turbid ridge]

maybe you come up with some strats than instead of looking at other ppl. I mean how they came up with that comp?

[ornate moth]

how many times do I have to say I'm not trying to make a point I just shared the team in case anyone here has those units and is strategizing to beat inferno terror without ssania

[warped kestrel]

So do you just get banners for 3 of those characters + your selector the moment you hit level 50 or in the process of getting to level 50, and does the game force you to pull all those characters to ensure that you don't get walled the moment you hit 50?

[celest hollow]

I don’t understand why the bosses are such a pain in the ass I’ve never hit such a “paywall” before in gacha.

[arctic plover]

I think the difficulty is overtuned.

This was just a minor comment that those particular ssrs probably have high ownership -- as 2 of them were on banner and third was a popular selective choice.

I would prefer if it was clearable with diting but it's kind of rough for him.

[warped kestrel]

I'm sure most people have some of those SSRs, but I highly doubt most people have all of them, I certainly don't have all of them

[jolly relic]

gotta ask for boss nerf

[arctic plover]

I don't have khloros myself

[warped kestrel]

In fact, I only have Freya and Vale out of those 5 characters, and sure, I could pull Holden(which is a big investment) - but I'd still be missing 2 characters

[celest hollow]

They need to nerf the health and damage the bosses do across all the game modes

[crude sparrow]

unfortunately we won´t get the nerfs before the 2x drop event

[arctic plover]

well we will send into dokidoki

[crude sparrow]

so SSania lily owners will dominate for at least a month

[arctic plover]

the only doable one, at least the most widely doable one

[celest hollow]

I’m not even farming for modules with the 2x event cause leveling characters is such a pain

[wary fractal]

any news?

[celest hollow]

Which is another issue

[uncut mica]

same here pretty much. want to get a bunch up to 45 and basic prowess done so I can test inferno teams more easily

[arctic plover]

I think you guys are overcooking if you are planning to farm investigations, personally.

gp outpost -- sure, that is a good thing to farm, but a lot of the characters get a lot of accidental exp in this game.

I don't think I levelled my kloss, she is lvl45 now. It's just a waste in the long run

[tribal osprey]

Yep I’m just grinding gp then straight to module hell

[warped kestrel]

Don't take this wrong, it's not a criticism against you at all, you keep posting every team you can find, but until there is a team that is very accessible to every player by the time they hit 50 (which means it has to contain either Lian, SRs, and a maximum of 1 gacha SSR(obtainable through selector) AND that team is able to auto it, I won't be satisfied.

[crude sparrow]

GP outpost and investigations are not really worth it, unless it´s the diffference you need to get inferno

because you can get them from events

[arctic plover]

I will do gp outpost a bit to build diting, then straight to doki

[crude sparrow]

and by playing

[crude sparrow]

same

[celest hollow]

Shoot I’m trying to get my hell 3/4 teams going cause right now it’s not looking hot cause I don’t have kloss and she’s a crutch

[arctic plover]

I think kloss is a bit overglazed. Gray is worse, but not worse to the extent people pretend him to be

[ornate moth]

yeah I agree. I think it is terrible design that players are guided to build lian and they nerfed pushback/buffed inferno to such an extent that she cannot even clear it lol, at least that we know of

[crude sparrow]

im using rilmocha, valerian, kazuyo, gray, freya on hell4

85% succes rate

[tardy ridge]

hear me out, lets just save the capsules for the next 1 🥀

[celest hollow]

How fast is the gray and how much damage does he have?

[glass ruin]

like what is stunning me in astarte wave 2

[warped kestrel]

There is no guarantee that there will be a next one, and if there is going to be one, it'll probably be several months or a year from now. This one was not supposed to happen.

[uncut mica]

It's the incoming damage reduction that Kloss provides that pushes her over the edge for a lot of people right now since we are trying to push forward with the bare minimum it really helps when the boss does 10-20% less damage on every attack

[celest hollow]

Cause u might have to 6star my gray for more stats

[arctic plover]

for me her selling point is the slow, but I can see it

[uncut mica]

Dark mob. 30% chance to be stunned at the start of every unit's turn

[warped kestrel]

If I had to guess, they'll either bring the x2 again for first anniversary, or they'll bring it back with restrictions of how many times the double bonus can work per day.

[tribal osprey]

But when it does happen, we will be stacked

[crude sparrow]

white fang

you need +45 crit for the stage

[warped kestrel]

I would not risk getting screwed over like that, especially now being the most critical point of progression

[crude sparrow]

and he needs to go after kazuyo

[arctic plover]

if I had to guess they would bring it once a few months.

Have you ever met a programmer? If they have coded the event and have an art for it there is an inescapable urge to reuse it.

This is the real reason why the refund event have costed hydra crystals -- it was a lot more convenient to reuse the animus reconfigure than to code a new UI for the recall.

[warped kestrel]

[arctic plover]

like people were mad "waaah why does it cost crystals" -- come on, it's obvious why. It was so much easier to reuse the old thing than to make a new one with an extra danger that it would be bugged.

and even the old one turned out to be bugged. Imagine if they had to code a new one in a day -- it would have been a mess.

[uncut mica]

I need to farm so much Aurora to test my ideas too 😦

[wary fractal]

i dont see c in the sidebanner chatters list, is he goune

[uncut mica]

also need to check Codex drops to see if the skill pairing I want can actually drop

[celest hollow]

Hmm ok cause I was running hit at like 250 speed to outspeed kazuyo

And I have to find a way to speed up gray or slow down rilmocha

[glass ruin]

30%?.. i ha vent moved

[crude sparrow]

I would try to get him at 200 speed in that case

or remove speed on rimo so she does more dmg

[coarse granite]

imagine i just closed this post

13k messages is crazy

[wary fractal]

i think the c guy alrdy sent a list of everything to devs

also do it, no balls u wont

[coarse granite]

Nah i carre about this issue

also its been locked by him p sure

[wary fractal]

BRO I build a new codex cuz i need passive 2 ACCURACY and on lvl up he gets this shit, now i have to keep and get another one

[ornate moth]

happened to me but I just rerolled it anyway

[wary fractal]

rly xD

[ornate moth]

yea cause who tf am I gonna use a crit dmg codex on in the short term lol

[brave heath]

I would just do a different one it's only lvl 20

[ornate moth]

oh yeah mine was lv 40 and it rerolled onto red cdmg

[brave heath]

Ye that's diff

[mystic trail]

hey guys ! so i leveled my rilmocha to use her for doki doki inferno eventually in that comp ( rilmocha - kazuyo - freya - kloss - valerian ) but i just got xiada and was thinking that she could also help me with aurora so was considering reseting mocha and leveling her , would that same comp work for doki doki inferno if i changed mocha for xiada ? in the recent clears for doki doki inferno i can only find people using xiada + lily and i dont have lily so thought that asking in here was the best option 👍🏻

[brave heath]

A level 20 codex I would let it sit and go to next one

Xiada is perfectly fine and would work better early on when u don't have a 1shot always rilmocha

Rilmocha isn't as consistent runs as xiada p sure

But most certainly faster

[foggy crane]

Is there not a inferno hoyan team w/o shadow sania yet?

[ornate moth]

lily is just rly nice for more buffs on xiada, speed boost and resetting revelation +s3 CD for wave 1. Best substitute imo is tsukiyo

[ornate moth]

I think evi cleared with diting/lily/lingluo/valerian but said it was insanely RNG on manual with a bunch of resets and not auto viable

I haven't seen a single other non-ssania hoyan clear

[mystic trail]

icic thanks !

[foggy crane]

Yea this one seems to need a rework. Is there even a mechanic with her or just a massive stat diff I don't even understand how she's supposed to be clearable w/o s. sania lol

maybe fangus + lily + sustain idk

[ornate moth]

the mechanic is the adds counterattack anyone attacking her + damage share like tiamat passive with the boss unless they are under a control effect

but the stat check is insane

[brave heath]

Inferno just currently does too much damage

[ornate moth]

even if u perfectly control the adds the boss and adds do insane damage

[brave heath]

It can and should have high hp but the damage being able to 1tap dps units

Is not viable

[foggy crane]

nico and sharon seem viable you just need the right units (cachi the guard for sharon, probably rin for nico). But hoyan just seems...wrong

[ornate moth]

yeah I was doing a few tries and even with everything going well the boss would just 1 shot diting after a DEF down or two

[celest hollow]

Yeah I might make a new shell

[ornate moth]

since it stacks def down on your units that can't be purified

[uncut mica]

Hoyan was the one fight actually designed to be Dotted. highest hp and raw def, damage sharing, takes a bunch of turns due to her mechanics

[crude sparrow]

rimo also needs +45 crit, try to not invest more on crit

[drowsy gust]

Seanb makes a great point in his review video in that for like the entire game we're just doing things as we're unlocking them and it feels great but now we're all hitting this giant brick wall that suddenly stops us in inferno like even the endgame pve stuff lets us put our foot in the door a little while inferno feels like a camper hiding around a corner in a fps.

Whether you want to say skill issue, nerf inferno, or we'll get there eventually it's a really bad feeling for people to just suddenly get stunted and think about people who don't watch videos or come to discord who will will hit this wall they're gonna struggle

[foggy crane]

Makes sense just no one is building DoT SR if they dont have s. sania

I kinda think this stuff shoulda been locked at level 70 or higher. It's not really possible to do this content remotely close to when it unlocks w/o s. sania and lily

Its probably possible if we have like every sr built

[turbid ridge]

Those ppl have a life and dont care about beeing the main character

[brave heath]

Really hard pve should be limited to stuff like anisync echoes and ember trek, inferno should be hard but not insane

[drowsy gust]

Yeah I once posted a list of proposals to help with inferno without even touching its difficulty to please the no nerf crowd and one of them was push the unlock higher but that's impossible now since we have people with inferno no way the devs want that smoke

[foggy crane]

It also would be fine if it was minor benefit like idk some item that gives you one extra roll to +16 gear or something.

But the gains you get for the 6 piece is game changing its creating a massive divide

[drowsy gust]

I've been saying this too, we have endgame pve stuff like Ember Trek, Anisync, Ethernet, etc. There's a reason thresholds is listed under DAILY challenges

[foggy crane]

You say that now but people gonna be really mad about missing lattices from ember trek in a couple weeks

[brave heath]

Either way we know there is supposed to be some changes being looked at hopefully it includes the base damage reduction

Well that's actually a skill issue

Normal ember trek should be cleared if u care before it resets

It's not like inferno where u basically can't do it without a ssania

[foggy crane]

Depends on your unit building order - if you have mass lily sure lol

[brave heath]

Don't need mass or lily

[drowsy gust]

I can at least suspend my disbelief that Ember Trek should be hard. I can't for gear farming

[brave heath]

People have cleared without lol

[ornate moth]

basically every gacha has some kind of abyss/tower mode like that with resets and non-whales need a long time to be able to start fully clearing each reset. I doubt too many people will get upset

[brave heath]

And theres still many many gains for people to make before it ends

[foggy crane]

Wasn't saying you need those I was saying they are usable everywhere.

But like I had to build some units specifically for terror and doki b/c I missed some of the key picks until recently and they aren't useful in ember trek

[drowsy gust]

Like think about it this way. I can at least put my foot in the door of Ember Trek, but some of these thresholds spawncamp your ass

[brave heath]

Idk a lot of ember trek stages u want different stuff ideally but not required u might have use either way

Some stages mio was unusable, some mio was the goat

Lot of people didn't even touch her though, ember trek is well designed aside from astarte p2 being unccable

[inland chasm]

Imagine a played that just build his characters cause he liked them but than cant use in inferno since they either suck there, get one shoted cause wrong element, deal literally no dmg even tho his build is decent for now

[brave heath]

And the disorder buff randomly proccing 11 stuns in a row on a 30% chance

[uncut mica]

normal mode embertrek you can basically go through with the usual Diting + X team you've been using throughout the game. Till you hit floor 42 and then you spend a couple hours resetting because bullshit RNG keeps your big DPS stunned for 4 turns

[brave heath]

I had my lingluo stunned 6x in a row

[celest hollow]

@redmaxer Ty now I can finally auto he’ll 3 100%

[warped kestrel]

Do keep in mind that the "no nerf crowd" aren't opposing nerfs because they like challenging content, they're opposing it to maintain their arbitrary advantage over their competition. If they actually wanted challenge they would just increase the game's difficulty by removing pieces of gear, the goal is not to have challenging content themselves, but to ensure that others are stopped. Thus, there is no solution that will please them.

[drowsy gust]

I do get that vibe from some of them too

[warped kestrel]

It's just logic, even Nightmare difficulty can be turned into Inferno difficulty if you take all of your characters' modules and shells off, so, the point is clearly not to have challenging content for themselves.

[ruby canyon]

you're not wrong, I haven't seen anybody advocate for no nerfs who actually does inferno without ssania, it's all ssania havers who want an advantage

[celest hollow]

The only one I’ve seen do no sania in inferno is doki doki

[drowsy gust]

Reposting my list of proposals that don't involve directly nerfing inferno

1. Push back the unlock so people have more time to be strong enough to do it on unlock naturally (This is obviously impossible now that people have reached inferno)

2. Make coins income higher so we can afford to raise even substandard mythics and outstanding gear

3. Maybe adjust drops in some hell stages to make sure we're more likely to have full sets of mythics by the time we unlock inferno

[celest hollow]

And it’s still like a 50/50

[drowsy gust]

Even having a full set of mythics might not be enough for some people to clear, but having it ready for you when you attempt inferno might help give you a better idea what you need to do instead of just getting smothered in the cradle

[warped kestrel]

None of this is a solution. We're already using +15 mythic gear. Mythic gear starts dropping in Hell.

[drowsy gust]

I know I posted that list mostly to please the no nerfers but honestly it feels futile now

[ruby canyon]

nah everything has been done without ssania it's just unnecessarily difficult

[drowsy gust]

Like they don't want my proposals that don't even touch inferno

[foggy crane]

What I heard earlier is still no one has auto'd hoyan w/o s. sania.

Manual doesn't count its not reasonable for a farm to need manual if you dont have 1 character

[drowsy gust]

So I'm buying into the they just want to keep their competitive advantage theory

Yeah I do not have the time to manual for hours to get yellow shells

[celest hollow]

Yeah it’s ridiculous

[warped kestrel]

None of us has the time nor willingness to manual equipment dungeons in a 10x autobattle PvP-focused gacha game.

Had the game not released with autobattle, and had this game released as a PvE-focused game, this would be a different conversation(and I wouldn't be playing it)

[drowsy gust]

I spend more time spending my stamina in Etheria then I do to do all my daily tasks in e7 (farm, pvp, guild wars if they're up, and Ancient Inheritance going on right now)

[ornate moth]

that sounds accurate from what I've seen. I've checked recent clears for hoyan like 50x and never seen a single non-ssania team. And only people I've heard clearing without her used manual

[drowsy gust]

The esports is gonna be cooked when we can't follow along with the drafting because all we're gonna be focused on is pve utility

Can't even watch the esports we're just gonna have to listen to it because we're too busy manualling the game

[foggy crane]

As someone who actually prefers high end content to be really difficult in these kinds of games, if it remains true that literally no one is autoing hoyan into week 3 w/o s. sania they have no choice but to nerf. B/c that would indicate that even among hardcore players, the average person won't be doing it for 1-2 months most likely while s. sania pullers are gaining access to 6 piece w/ fairly low effort builds on week 2. If they want things to be harder they'll have to do that with new content going forward. Simplest solution is to nerf the inferno difficulties that are availble now and going forward just be more careful about how high end content is designed

[scarlet quartz]

Yeah they're already looking in to reducing the inferno difficulty

[drowsy gust]

There was someone going around saying but then when they make inferno 2 people are gonna cry about it again as a gotcha. And while maybe there will be some people that do, if you give us access to ALL the gear by having an easy inferno 1, then you can tune inferno 2 and up to more difficult because we can at least still get all the gear. I think less people would be upset if inferno didn't have exclusives like shells with higher bases or those new inferno sets

If the only benefit to inferno was better drop rate, I think most people would just eat it and take it

But missing out on higher base shells and those inferno sets is massive mo (missing out)

[outer falcon]

I wouldn't even relegate it to fomo, it's simply mo

[warped kestrel]

If the only difference was better drop rate, I would just take the slight efficiency loss, the fact I'm just falling behind on essential sets that prevent me from competing is what makes it unacceptable

[drowsy gust]

Yup we're in total agreement

[ornate moth]

that person had shadow sania so I would take it with a grain of salt

[drowsy gust]

edited it to say mo lol

[brave heath]

You miss out on the tripled matrix shells so +5 speed and other base stats, and somewhere around 18 speed from swift inferno 6p bonuses

-23 speed is insane

To just lose cuz gg no ssania

[foggy crane]

No drop rate would be worse b/c you're talking about being restricted to like lets say 70% lower quality account until you can clear for a month or two. That wouldn't be a resolution.

There is no reason to consider anything other than just making the inferno difficulties more accessible right now and then in the future if they want to make new high end high difficulty content...idk think more about the design

[brave heath]

If it was just like, hell 4 vs 3 drop rate diff I doubt many would care that much ye, still would be an issue thi

[ornate moth]

yeah unless changes make the fights autoable with non-ssania teams soon, anyone wanting to compete in tournament will basically need to buy a ssania account or something

[warped kestrel]

In turn-based games speed is everything, first turn usually wins with few exceptions, so a speed loss means you simply cannot compete.

[brave heath]

Correct

[foggy crane]

In these games the module grind never ends there isn't such a thing as 'good enough' modules so if some people have higher drop rate for months that would just suck

[warped kestrel]

And that's just speed, those sets give other stats too.

[craggy gale]

Wow….so devs still hasn’t responded to any of the issues…

Double event is tomorrow

[foggy crane]

Devs shouldn't respond - mob rule shouldn't dictate game design they should do what they think is best

[ornate moth]

all of the past issues have taken them a few days to address

[warped kestrel]

Day after tomorrow, I think?

[brave heath]

Seeing people with ssania and using all their stabilizers for early pvp advantage say to not touch inferno and limit stabilizers use for 2x is actually just so hilarious to see, after they were prob complaining about wanting compensation for having her too lmao

[craggy gale]

That’s called EoS

[ornate moth]

and the complaint posts about how the drop rates for their gear advantage shells and modules are too low lol

[foggy crane]

Every time i've seen game developers just start doing whatever the majority thinks on reddit the game goes to trash. They should listen to sentiment and then actual be game designers and figure things out on their own. If they don't know what they're doing w/o popular vote then we're all screwed anyways

[brave heath]

Ye lmfao that is so funny too

[outer falcon]

There's also such a thing as account breadth as well as depth -- even if people approach a qualitative depth asymptote, they can continue accumulating width such that they'll be able to outdraft literally anyone with apex gear

[craggy gale]

This is a different issue of itself. This is clearly unfair play.

[drowsy gust]

I tell this to so many of my newbies in e7 when I help them get their wyvern 13 set up. "Now that you have gear production going the game opens up massively for you"

[foggy crane]

I didn't say they shouldn't listen and change things I said they shouldn't directly interact w/ the community or just do whatever people tell them to. They should recognize a problem and address internally.

[craggy gale]

After they addressed the issue before I decided to support them and spend a lil more but now I regret seeing how they just sitting back and watching this unfolds.

[ornate moth]

I think their point is that unfairness needs to be fixed but they should fix it their own way rather than just do what community suggests as a fix

[warped kestrel]

Yeah they should follow this approach, but do keep in mind that the deciding factor on whether a business/game stays online or not is whether the customers decide to continue supporting it or not. So, while they have the right to do as they see fit, it's in their best interest to see what their customers think and accomodate whenever possible.

[craggy gale]

The issue is that they haven’t done any of that.

[craggy gale]

Thank you. Someone finally said it.

[foggy crane]

Well I mean it's been less than a week since we unlocked inferno massive balance changes isn't flipping a switch

[craggy gale]

I like the game and don’t want it to go down a bad route and end up washing away.

[craggy gale]

It is when the 2X event kicks in. Everyone who doesn’t have Lily or shadow sania are on edge.

Including those who spent over 2K and didn’t get lucky

[drowsy gust]

Even if they want to do things their own way, they definitely need better communications. Like c has already sent a lot of our concerns to the devs but you have to look through this massive thread to find that. So for a lot of people it looks like nothing has even happened. We need statements that we're being heard not waiting for a response that may or may not come and if it does we have to wait awhile for

[craggy gale]

Exactly

[brave heath]

I'm not that worried personally, as long as you can build an inferno doki team (nearly all people should) then u are fine for 2x event mostly

[craggy gale]

Especially second week of launch

[brave heath]

In the long run anyways

[foggy crane]

Just to play devils advocate, I will remind you that last week everyone was complaining about how they deserved resets b/c shadow sania was nerfed and people built her and that 'bricked' their account.

[brave heath]

But for short term not being able to do aurora or terror during 2x will hurt

[craggy gale]

I didn’t complain since I didn’t have her anyways

[brave heath]

Cuz u will be semi forced into mostly swift rush/time weave/ harvest etc

[craggy gale]

To be fair. No devs should shadow nerfs units without communication and in middle of season.

[drowsy gust]

In what way does that refute the need for better communications? The shadow sania nerf debate is its own thing. And you can look through my post history I'm not a shadow sania cryer I didn't own her in the beta nor right now in launch

[craggy gale]

Same

[foggy crane]

I didn't say everyone but that was literally the whole argument. It wasn't just that they changed things the sentiment at the time was that building s. sania bricked your account b/c they nerfed her for aurora. Obviously now we know that is an absurd idea but

[foggy crane]

B/c every time they engage w/ the community people take things out of context, start posting fake patch notes or misinformation, etc.

[drowsy gust]

Because their communication is ass

[craggy gale]

Well it’s not the players fault devs made a dumb move.

[outer falcon]

I think politically that was warranted as a demonstration of customer will against the kind of balance and comms regime that change advanced regardless of the validity of the claim tbh

[foggy crane]

I'm not disagreeing communication could be better I literally said 'to play devils advocate'

[drowsy gust]

They didn't put the Aurora change in the patch notes so everyone thought it happened during the hotfix

[foggy crane]

Its not like there is zero reason for their silence

[drowsy gust]

So many of the devs' problems have come from their godawful comms

[brave heath]

Defending bad communication doesn't help @foggy crane the community has its issues and drama makers, but the communication since launch has been terrible.

[drowsy gust]

This whole 2x mess would've been avoided if they just simply told the ccs "no" when they kept asking if it was going to happen not give radio silence so some ccs had to play a will they or won't they game

The Hoyan being different on launch would've been avoided if they gave a headsup she'd be different from the video

[foggy crane]

IMO 100% of the devs issues has been completely missed game design points. S. Sania issue was a day 1 glitch. As was veronica and xiada. Inferno is also a game design problem.

I think that is literally the primary issue, not communication. Communication is secondary issue.

[craggy gale]

Yeah exactly. I’m currently scared to build multiple revelation because I don’t know if they will bug fix it. And all my hard work will be gone. This game has so much uncertainty that could be addressed if they communicated.

[brave heath]

Revelation likely shouldn't be touched, it is only good on aoe or single target for rosa

It maybe should be rebalanced though for pvp

[craggy gale]

Game was perfect in beta. I think they made the change for greed. The more people struggle the more money they will make.

[pure junco]

If communication isn't the issue, that means everyone here could use two animus for all inferno levels 🤡

[drowsy gust]

The reason I am super super frustrated by their godawful comms is because they were great during the beta

So they set a bar

If they were crappy during the beta I wouldn't be expecting so much

[craggy gale]

Yeah exactly. It’s like they made their money and just on vacay now.

[ornate moth]

true, it's kind of bizarre

[foggy crane]

I'm just saying I don't need them to make an official statement I just need them to fix the issues :\

[craggy gale]

I’m not asking for a fix right away I’m asking for confirmation that they hear us. Some reassurance would be nice.

[craggy gale]

Lmao we opposite atm.

[warped kestrel]

There is nuance to this, though.
Upon launch, according to tier lists such as Prydwen, S.Sania was mostly only good for Aurora(because the rest of Inferno dungeons were significantly easier in the beta, so, S.Sania wasn't needed), and so, many people with S.Sania were building her for Aurora, the moment they shadow nerfed her Aurora usage, they basically rendered S.Sania unusable for those people as far as they and the guides they were following knew, and the fact they were building her for that specific piece of content, made their complaints warranted.

[drowsy gust]

Yes back during the launch hijinks I kept asking for the devs to give us a "we're discussing this internally" statement

[foggy crane]

See i'm the opposite. I prefer a quiet developer that fixes problems expediently and properly.

[drowsy gust]

I want devs that fix problems but I want to know what they're up to

I don't need their full schedule but I want to know if they have heard what's going on and are looking into it

[brave heath]

Suggestions and frustration has been passed on to devs already by c

[craggy gale]

Awell that would be nice but at this point any words will suffice because we haven’t gotten anything.

[pure junco]

😅 a quiet developer isn't very optimal

[drowsy gust]

And in order to know that you need to look deep in this almost 13k posts thread

[craggy gale]

Well nothing is happening even after

[foggy crane]

My point w/ that statement is that the community was outraged over the exact opposite thing they're outraged over now so I can understand why the developers just see it as a losing issue to address it verbally. That's why idc if they're quiet as long as things get fixed

[brave heath]

Well just saying they 100% hear it already

How long for their response/action dunno

[drowsy gust]

If you don't dig deep into a 13k post thread, then for all intents and purposes it looks like nothing is happening

[craggy gale]

Well yeah that’s ideal but there hasn’t been a fix….

[drowsy gust]

So we need something official or at least somewhere accessible for us to see that our concerns are being heard

[craggy gale]

I’ve been here for past few days and seen but every day I’m hopping back in hope for some good news.

[drowsy gust]

The Shadow Sania situation wouldn't have blown up as big as it did if the devs put their Aurora fix in the prelaunch patch notes

People would've grumbled, but they could've prepared for it

[warped kestrel]

Well, the real issue right now is not that SSania can clear all dungeons easily, but that it does so 100 times easier than other comps who may or may not be able to do it. If the dungeons were toned down to a point where traditional DPS can compete with SSania reasonably, no one would care about SSania being good at all end-game content, the point is to not gatekeep content from people. But I do understand why they'd see it that way, I just think it's a bad way to look at it.

[craggy gale]

I see F2P guild mates farming end game gears left and right currently in inferno stages and I can’t even keep up even after spending a bunch.

[ornate moth]

well either one is preferable to neither lol

[foggy crane]

I mean so far w/ RTA they changed pity to 80 pulls and made dupes more accessible. W/ s. sania they gave a 10 pull and an extra reset event. W/ x2 event they did implement it, although it should have been in the 2nd event schedule.

So like idk so far I think they have addressed things and fairly quickly, just ~1 week not 1-2 days.

[ornate moth]

I mean ideally they'd be expedient AND communicative because unannounced changes have already caused an uproar since launch

[craggy gale]

The issue is that it’s second week of launch. Not later into the game. This is the most crucial period. Communication should be the main factor.

[foggy crane]

tbh my ideal is completely silent and fixes everything within 1-2 weeks lol. But that's just me.

[brave heath]

The issue really becomes a bigger deal if it isn't addressed before 2x drops

[warped kestrel]

This is why I'm not giving them a that much of a hard time, I know that they will address it as they've addressed everything else, but unfortunately with the x2 event coming the timing just so happens to be very poor.

[drowsy gust]

That's fine but if I'm gonna give them 2 more weeks I'd like to know what they're up to for those 2 weeks

[brave heath]

If it is addressed before then, it's not that bad, but if it isn't by then, it becomes a much larger issue

[drowsy gust]

Like even shitty devs that don't listen still throw out lip service

[pure junco]

Well, that may just happen then. Not a lot of time left

[brave heath]

Indeed

[ornate moth]

I don't understand why you'd prefer dev silence. I understand the speedy fixes part obviously

[brave heath]

Me personally as I said am not that stressed because I'm fine with doing only doki for a little, but I imagine a lot of people will be very stressed/mad if it isn't changed by 2x

[drowsy gust]

Like every indie game I've supported and loved one of the most common threads is that the devs keep us posted and informed about their movements

An indie game asking for money but is just radio silent gives me the ick

[brave heath]

Tbh they aren't "asking for money" it's not like they have a lily and ssania banner up rn

[pure junco]

As a dev myself, I can say with utmost certainty that developer's notes are a standard to your target audience, because you need a feedback loop

[foggy crane]

It's just history w/ developers that do vs don't. I just have noticed devs that are quiet listeners tend to address things better than ones that put themselves in controversies going back and forth with a mob of people trying to influence things.

[drowsy gust]

That was just for indie games in general

I didn't say Etheria is an indie game asking for money

[brave heath]

Oh lol

[foggy crane]

This is the only exception - I do prefer really detailed and well explained patch notes / dev blogs

[brave heath]

I was like this is relatively f2p friendly ATM, aside from maybe needing to reduce crystal cost on refresh to like 600/day

[ornate moth]

oh ok yeah that's fair. When you said silent I didn't know you were including detailed notes/blog/announcement etc., just not engaging back and forth with community

[drowsy gust]

There are devs out there who say nothing for months then drop a patch then don't elaborate and then come back in a few months and some of them are successful but I need to trust them in order to support their work

[foggy crane]

I am somehow still running even w/ crystals w/ full refresh every day

[brave heath]

Ye there is a lot of honeymoon crydtals

Everybody should be able to full refresh f2p for nearly 2 months I think

After that it will only be like half of the refreshes are doable

If no changes by then

[drowsy gust]

Etheria's devs have damaged my trust a little so I don't want to give them the benefit of the doubt like I would for some too cool for school dev who comes out of nowhere after 3 months with a big patch then goes silent before the next one

[scarlet quartz]

yo remember cube world

LOL

[drowsy gust]

BRUH

💀

[tribal osprey]

They don’t need a featured tbh. Since you can get it from the standard. But this isn’t a “gib me money” situation more so just “I wonder what this button does”

[scarlet quartz]

not having a featured might even be more predatory

[foggy crane]

Yea I don't see any evidence that they are intentionally doing something scummy w/ sania - they wouldn't have nerfed her in aurora if they intended for her to be an off banner 'you need this unit'.

I think its just an oversight.

[brave heath]

Pretty much

[scarlet quartz]

Oh yeah I wouldnt think there is malice here

just mistakes that should get fixed sooner than later

[brave heath]

People love to think it's all about money, it's probably just the devs lacking the idea of how much of an issue it really is

[ornate moth]

yeah they nerfed dot from 5% to 4% after beta but they clearly didn't test enough or realize that for example, only shadow sania could farm inferno hoyan

[drowsy gust]

And if the devs don't wanna have 24/7 coverage of us what they should at least do is some sort of recurring address at a set pace. Like if there was some biweekly address, then when we have issues and start shouting because nothing has changed after an hour then we can wait to see the biweekly address before we really start rioting about not being listened to

[foggy crane]

I think they are waiting to see if its just b/c we dont have units built.

Which I think fair for some things. But others like inferno hoyan - if no one has a confirmed report of an autoable non sania team then that's not going to change for the vast majority even in 1-2 months.

Sharon for instance is clearable if you just build cachi the guard. So if that's their intent fine at least theres a path

[brave heath]

Issue with this logic though, if it takes somebody nearly a week to find a team that can barely clear and probably not auto, or it takes 10 mins to clear vs 0 effort clears 10x the speed

[boreal sentinel]

What is the solution being discussed right now, to wait for them to find a suitable nerf?

They had 5 betas to nail the difficulty and they messed up at that so I have no confidence they will get it right this time. I feel like the only sure fire fix is to revert it to beta difficulty since that is the only tested environment they have to go off of. If they want to add difficulty down the line then just add inferno 2 and 3. Why do we have to wait for devs to monitor and find a solution that saves face for them when they are the ones that messed this up to begin with

[brave heath]

It's already apparent what the tuning issues are on inferno, and c has sent them to the devs just waiting on a response

[tribal osprey]

Tbh it’s not really worth to farm terrormaton inferno

[drowsy gust]

They'll ping the whole server about a new server opening but won't ping us to tell us they sent major concerns about the game to the devs

[tribal osprey]

Only thing you can get is keen eye and the crit set

[drowsy gust]

Make it make sense

[brave heath]

Furyedge aswell

[tribal osprey]

Yeah that’s the crit set I mean

[brave heath]

Which u for sure want for a couple units at least

[tribal osprey]

Didn’t know the name

[brave heath]

Oh

[boreal sentinel]

And why are we players asked by the cm to build niche units and potentially waste resources to find a solution to the devs problems

[foggy crane]

Yea just grind hell iv for modules and take the L until this either gets addressed or someone figures out a magic bullet w/ SR's to clear an inferno stage and slowly build those.

[brave heath]

Ye tbh even if I could do terror or aurora hell, it would prob be like a 15/65/20 split between the 3 dungeons

So doki being the only realistic one is kinda fine

For immediate purposes

But it is nevertheless an issue that should be addressed

Aurora inferno*

Not hell rofl

[boreal sentinel]

That’s just sad

[ornate moth]

I mean cm didn't ask people to build niche units and waste resources I don't think. Just asked people to report info of if they see non-dot teams clearing, units that might be useful etc

[tribal osprey]

Yep. But tbh I would 50/50 the doki and aurora

Aurora is a great stage for the drops

[brave heath]

Aurora would mainly just be bulwark and the 6p module I would care to get rushed

[tribal osprey]

Momentum fury

Strive for turn 2

[brave heath]

I think farming swift rush/time weave is much more impactful for pvp early

Sw as a comparison, it's like if they put vio and swift in giants, you would almost only do that perma

Doki matrix pool is so op

[boreal sentinel]

There’s pinned messages asking to experiment with specific units, and even if I’m misinterpreting - isn’t not doing anything and labelling it as “monitoring” the same as leaving the issue to be solved by players?

[tired socket]

Until a patch is implemented its exactly that

[drowsy gust]

And shouldn't the devs be aware of what teams can clear or at least most of them?

[boreal sentinel]

They’re waiting for the non-stam refreshers to hit lvl 50 and find solutions as if they have the resources to build more units and test than the whales - it doesn’t make any sense

[tired socket]

I dont think they will tho coz they can milk fomo by making ppl spend to try get ssania for 2x

Next week theyll Land a patch for it

Watch

[brave heath]

Non-stabilizer users are more intelligent individuals than the ones who used them

So there is a logic behind waiting for them to test (still horrendous results tho wow!)

I love seeing level 65s with like level 20 ember trek stuck on rahu in anisync and no inferno stages

Some people got baited by them saying nothing about 2x tho for sure

[ruby canyon]

it's weird that people say just wait, anything that whales/refreshers had to deal with is 100x worse for the avg player

[ornate moth]

well the cm isn't a dev or talking directly with devs, and he forwarded detailed feedback from this thread & others to the devs. From what I see in the pins he was asking for ppl to screenshot/share non-DoT teams, not advising people to invest in units. I could see how some of that would be easily misinterpreted though

[ruby canyon]

lvl 65 is crazy

[drowsy gust]

Yeah I saw this talking point that if you take away daily 10 refresh it would be the equivalent of someone being like 2 months in the game. I didn't even think about that so this realization makes this all the more crazy

[brave heath]

Being level 65 is like, still using stabilizers after they even announced 2x date

It really is crazy

I think highest with 0 stabilizer use is prob what like 55 or 56?

[arctic plover]

56 I think

I am 57 but I don't think I used more than 10

[ruby canyon]

I'm lv60 and have like 55ish Idk how many you can have atp like 90?

[brave heath]

I have 70 and missed some cuz started 2 days late and no guild/nooby guild for a bit

[uncut mica]

I've got 33 left and have used ~50. 10 in early days to hit cubic game milestone and like 40 when I hit 50 in the Codex and Count mines right before they announced 2x

[brave heath]

I would think if u had minmax guild play since day 1 is prob 85-90

[uncut mica]

would also depend on how lucky you got in the shell story shop and this week the chaku ring shop

since the random shops in those modes can sell pots

[ruby canyon]

o yea i kept buying the stabs with gems

used the custom dice to land on shops every time

[brave heath]

O that's true I didn't do that just bought if I rolled natty

[boreal sentinel]

Is it such a bad idea to revert difficulty to beta levels and then add inferno 2 and 3 if they want to increase difficulty down the line, at this point I feel like just acknowledge the mistake and try to solve this as soon as possible

[brave heath]

I'm fine with inferno being hard, not realistically undoable tho

[boreal sentinel]

If they are looking to do new testing or just blind tweak it, we might have to wait several weeks before we get a solution

[brave heath]

They just didn't test it clearly is the issue

They just threw some changes and said have fun

[drowsy gust]

I'd even be okay with an easy inferno 1 that lets us have access to the inferno exclusive and then make harder infernos for better drop rate

[brave heath]

They just need to reduce base damage by like 30% in inferno or maybe more

[turbid ridge]

ppl will still cry for compensation if the nerf it im calling it now: "THEY ALRDY AHEAD OF ME SINCE THEY FARMED ALL THIS TIME" ah yes got to love the main characters

[brave heath]

And nerf enrage mechanics

And it would become hard but doable

[boreal sentinel]

Rn shadow sania users have a huge advantage given that they have an extra matrix set on their characters, which gives them an edge in every other content in the game

[drowsy gust]

Yeah and we'll laugh at them alongside you

[paper dagger]

honestly all they'd need to shut up the community about inferno is to show them clearing inferno on reasonable gear with a few different reasonable comps

[boreal sentinel]

Even if most of us can farm inferno doki doki, that extra set is useless without the shells

[brave heath]

They can't though so lols

[paper dagger]

yep i hope they show us their attempts though

[brave heath]

It would be hilarious

[turbid ridge]

they jsut take their time and 1-2 week later more and more build up comps that can clear inferno appear

[gilded mirage]

Communtiy says "That's too slow!"

[boreal sentinel]

I genuinely don’t think there is one, at least not one that is reliable on auto and not 5 min+

[brave heath]

They would be like alright just bring this 350 speed lily and 400 cdmg diting that has inferno shell/6p

And u got it 80% auto

[gilded mirage]

Depending on the stage, there are a few

Usually 4 min clears though

[brave heath]

And manual

[gilded mirage]

Terror, Niconana have already

[arctic plover]

find the person who suggested the changes and don't feed them until they clear terrormaton with Lian -- who the game forces to be built and use for terrormaton specifically.

Imagine if e7 had a quest to build sigret but sigret couldn't clear wyvern

[gilded mirage]

I know Nico can be autoed with 80% winrate 4 min clears

[boreal sentinel]

Most of them are manual and not very consistent, at least last I checked

[gilded mirage]

Terror I am not sure on winrate or if needed manual

[brave heath]

What comp the viper ones?

[gilded mirage]

Viper Rosa

[brave heath]

I know Nico is doable but the rest I don't think u can auto rly

[boreal sentinel]

Terror is fine I’m mostly talking about shell dungeons

[paper dagger]

auto inferno aurora feels within reach but the gear requirements are still insane like i need a 3/3 swiftrush timeweave to drop which isn't happening

and i'd need like 20 more speed on substats and like 20% more damage on rosa but i can see how its possible but that's with the best team comp

anyone without 11 lattices in rosa/messiah/xiada gg farming inferno aurora

[brave heath]

Well best team comp to ur knowledge atm

To be fair

But yes it is overturned a bit

[gilded mirage]

But that's what I'm saying, you can start with Terror and Nico for now. Doki is doable if you have Rosa/Xiada/Massiah/Ril especially if you can get lucky enough to run 30line. So that leaves Aurora which, well, yeah that's gonna be difficult.

Sharon is honestly a pain but my Diting is only 1/5, Shadowflame Hoyan has key SR unit figured out (Obol) though easier with Celince. Rengo is the same as Aurora. Gonna gate keep us for a bit

[brave heath]

Ye but that's the issue right

Some people make it a joke 0 investment

[gilded mirage]

This is not happening

[brave heath]

If it was simply hard and every1 struggled it's one thing

[paper dagger]

niconana and aurora key sr unit is viper

[brave heath]

Yes ssania teams were surely not clearing it with 4 lattices and 4* even

[turbid ridge]

dot need investement aswell

[arctic plover]

30line?

[paper dagger]

idk it feels weird that some SRs are mandatory for bosses and it's not like makes it easier just straight up mandatory

[gilded mirage]

The thing is, the key unit for Terror, Nico and Shadowflame Hoyan (DoT strat) is unusable in 2 end game shell modes and 1 end game module mode. She has to have some use lmao

[gilded mirage]

3-line

[brave heath]

I'm fine with ssania even being the best for pve

[gilded mirage]

Eh, we'll have future SSRs make them easier too. Look at Holden for Terror

[brave heath]

The issue is that she's nearly the only solution

[gilded mirage]

Because its 2 weeks in

[brave heath]

And?

The point is she can clear with MUCH less

[untold zephyr]

And?

[gilded mirage]

Yes and she's niche because that's all she's good at.

[arctic plover]

And?

Or?

[brave heath]

And it is poor game design for a pvp based game

[arctic plover]

Not?

[gilded mirage]

She cannot farm the "end game" or competitive content

[paper dagger]

people have been at it for like almost a week and there's hardly any new innovations coming out

[gilded mirage]

Rengo and Aurora are un-Saniable

Even Sharon is

[brave heath]

And?

[tired socket]

Who cares

The point is she enables u to beat them

[warped kestrel]

This, there is nothing wrong with the PvE Apex SSR being the best PvE character... as long as everyone else can still clear all content with ease, but slower, it's a PvP game.

[brave heath]

Maybe not with ease but

Not with tremendous difficulty

[gilded mirage]

But they can , when you've farmed good Hell IV gear

[formal snow]

Question tho. If you don't have Ssania to clear inferno to get the gear. How are you supposed to get stronger as a non Ssania haver. Genuine question

[gilded mirage]

And built key SR units

[brave heath]

Love ssania cope

[gilded mirage]

Hope you have Rosa for Nico

And Terror has 4 min clear teams

[brave heath]

4 min clear teams with manual

Gl everybody

[warped kestrel]

What team composed of Lian, SRs, and one RGB SSR that can be taken from the selector can auto Terror? Do tell, please.

[untold zephyr]

Guys there’s a whole 50 sec clear team on terror on auto w/o sania

[brave heath]

Yes which one post it

[untold zephyr]

It’s in pins

[paper dagger]

your'e talking about the khloros/diting/veronica team? i'll give credit where it's due that's a genuine innovation

[untold zephyr]

By leviatra

[paper dagger]

but that's been known for a long time and requires giga investment

[untold zephyr]

Diting can also clear inferno shell stages to enable the rest

[tired socket]

Bro doesnt know that took massive rng insane gear and lattice investment

[warped kestrel]

It's so exhausting repeating everything over and over again every time a new one of you show up.

[drowsy gust]

It just feels weird going straight from getting by with your teams to needing a gigainvested oneshot team

[formal snow]

Because I have Ssania but have been debating building her. So should I build her now anyway cuz I don't want to waste the lattices

[paper dagger]

save your lattices until you reach inferno shell/terror and decide then

[formal snow]

I'm already there

[untold zephyr]

So instead of building units to clear we would rather nerf things got it

[gilded mirage]

Actually clarification

is this team manual? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHYOKQKDwyE&ab_channel=ZeeeboZwei

[paper dagger]

it's a 5 minute clear lmao

[tired socket]

Modules are fine

Shells arent

[arctic plover]

this event is still up.

please reset your sania and go build "units to clear"

[gilded mirage]

But its auto right?

[paper dagger]

it looks auto. i've also seen people say it's abusing a bug because artisan shield shouldn't stack on each other

[gilded mirage]

Don't worry, it will stay that way for 90 days

...probably

[paper dagger]

lmao

[gilded mirage]

Point is its doable, probably auto and just slow. When you get better gear, you can do it faster. and they'll probably add new SSRs that make this easier

[formal snow]

So just reset Ssania and wait lmao

[gilded mirage]

So as of now, both Nico and Terror have teams that work with some finangling

[errant dome]

LMAO

[gilded mirage]

I already used all my resets

Also she's waifu

[clever tapir]

sus

[gilded mirage]

It's the perfect shield

[arctic plover]

noone seems to put money where their mouth is

you can build other units -> then go reset your your sania -> for some reasons nobody wants to do it

droprate from inferno isn't much better -> then go farm hell 4 during the 2x drop event, it would be great to see the droprates and compare -> again for some reasons this "not much better" suddenly vanishes

[gilded mirage]

You non-SSania havers have a path but "it's too much for this 2 week old game, I want everything cleared now". If Inferno drops are so great, you'd build these units but apparently it's not "worth it"

[boreal sentinel]

Do you happen to know how much you need to invest into skills in viper and Rosa for the niconana team?

[errant dome]

my support can one shot your entire dot comp

just saying

[tired socket]

Almost like ur limited to having insane gear for inferno

While ssania runs in with a fking rainbow set

And 5 star

[errant dome]

ive seen purple gear not even maxed level too

for the hardest stage in the game

surely this is intended and balanced

[tired socket]

Versailles yapping out his ass coz he doesnt have the perspective

Its fine tho

Entitled to our own opinions

[gilded mirage]

Yeah because the DoT comp is purely PvE. That's their whole thing and they don't even work on the hardest modes or competitive modes