inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[azure hare]

time to implement a shell that boosts pve damage

[indigo matrix]

Even for whales its unfriendly at this point thats the most boggling part

[robust scarab]

well the gear side of things is never a thing whales can do anything about, whales usally gain power quicker via other means like skill ups or xp or dupes

[indigo matrix]

Atleast shells are no5 as bad as gear, tho u still get like 20 epic shells before u get a mythic shells in inferno thats stupid

[robust scarab]

exactly, epic shells need to be removed from hell and inferno and 2 matrix modules need to be removed from hell 4 and inferno if they drop there

[indigo matrix]

I mean even for xp, the xp drops in investigation is way too low

[robust scarab]

that would be the best change for the longevity of the game

[robust scarab]

i agree with this, but honestly levels feel like the least important aspect of power progression atm so idc

[indigo matrix]

Agreed 100% except, maybe not remove the epic shells from inferno but invert the drop rates,

Make the epic shells 20-30% drop rate at inferno instead of mythic

Like why tf do we drop more epic shells than mythic in literally the highest level of shell content

[robust scarab]

nah because we still dont even want regular mythic shells in inferno, theres no point to do inferno unless you are getting a triple matrix shells so having regular 2 matrix mythics is still wack imo but reasonable

[indigo matrix]

Fair, atleast they made triple matrix shell guaranteed to have all 3 nodes otherwise thatd be crazy

[tardy ridge]

you two want it all on a platter it seems

[robust scarab]

agreed, shells are the most player friendly thing in the game outside of their drop rates, if they dont nerf anything and just fix their loot tables it'd change the entire game for the better

nice ragebait

2/10

[indigo matrix]

Asking for balance is asking to be spoon fed? Buffoon

[robust scarab]

just ignore him, he obviously didnt read anything before formulating an opinion

[indigo matrix]

True im just baffled by how toxic gacha communities are in general

Was the same thing for the whole “meurh eurh they nerfed ssania” cus 99% didnt read what actually happened and just jumped on the drama

[robust scarab]

yeah its wild, its funny that everyone else left once there were reasonable solutions outside of nerfs so they didnt have anything to argue about anymore lol

[azure hare]

https://tenor.com/view/echo-echo-chamber-npc-sjw-not-listening-gif-13981325

[robust scarab]

ahh theres toxic #1

[indigo matrix]

The final boss lmfao

[robust scarab]

bro thinks hes the main character

[indigo matrix]

Ngl tho if they dont balance the game before the 2x event they gonna get even more backlash than the whole ssania drama

[robust scarab]

probably, or they will see it as an incentive for people to swipe and try and pull her then make changes after, that seems like a better business move tbh

[orchid needle]

It's kinda funny how much damage shadow Sania has done to their game

[indigo matrix]

Yes but no bcs ppl are already expecting such a nasty move and thatd cause a lot of commotion,

Now this would be a good business move depending on how many ppl actually fall for it and swipe and nothing happens

[charred minnow]

no lily in sight for this inferno aurora team only 18 lattices used tho 💀
1/1/4 1/5/5 1/1/4 5/5/5 1/1/4

[indigo matrix]

She dotted the game

[orchid needle]

Her ult is this weekend

[robust scarab]

its moreso the way that they handled ssania and made changes without any notice a week after release

[orchid needle]

😭

Is she not a problem right now with inferno mode?

Yes inferno mode inherently is unbalanced but her being the sole character to cheese it is also problematic

[robust scarab]

as ive said before, shes only everyones hyperfocus rn because its nearly impossible to get other characters to match her level as easily bc of difficulty and garbage loot tables

[arctic plover]

eh, feel like she is more of a symptom than a problem.

[indigo matrix]

Meanwhile im trying to build Rosa for Aurora,

Rosa S2 Maxed lvl15 mythic gear with lvl 40 mythic shell

Lily S1 maxed

Valerian maxed

Still cant clear aurora hell3 lmfao

[robust scarab]

being able to bypass gear requirements is OP in any game

[indigo matrix]

Aurora is just painge

Trying to build ditting on the side tho

[devout geyser]

its only problematic bc its so overtuned. If more comps could clear at the same pace as her, it would be healthy for the game. SSania isn't problematic. Inferno is.

[robust scarab]

need as stripper for for aurora

[orchid needle]

She may be a symptom but what are the devs more likely to fix, a characters kit or reworking loot distribution and gearing system

[arctic plover]

did you bring a fast lingluo on supernova?

[indigo matrix]

Bro i read that so weirdly,

Wording

[indigo matrix]

Yup

[robust scarab]

honestly i lean more towards keeping the bosses as they are now and reworking all the loot tables to make it easier to gear characters and complete the content as is

i.e. removing 2 matrix modules from hell 4 and epic shells from hell/inferno

still a large barrier to entry that requires investment and strategy but still time and commitment to get sets together so you can farm properly

[orchid needle]

There's a limit to the speed of progression the devs want players to have, i dont think they'd be so willing to make those kind of changes when they can just adjust a character and have most people on the same progression path

[robust scarab]

character changes are always a bad choice bc it effects the real end game which is pvp

[orchid needle]

I agree adjusting the drops is better for the game, but I dont think the devs are willing to make drastic changes like that

[robust scarab]

plus they cant change characters often

[orchid needle]

They can always make pve and pvp modifiers

[indigo matrix]

Sorry i forgot, according to “strugglebusses2705”

Im supposed to have all full speed rolls on each piece of gear so i should be at 350 speed on Lingluo to clear aurora hell3, forgive my skill issues

[robust scarab]

that wont happen with already released characters so thats not a change that can be made an actuality for at least 3 months or more

[orchid needle]

In fact that makes it much easier to balance characters overall

[robust scarab]

i agree but its not a resoluton to the issue now

thats a resolution for the future game state which i agree is a good one, e7 does something similar with a lot of characters/effects

it'd be better as inferno 2/3 eventually comes sure but for the issue now we need better drops because obtaining gear shouldnt be difficult, getting crit r/crit d/speed/attack % and hitting all 5 upgrades on speed should be the difficulty

[azure hare]

this might be the worst account ive ever seen posted 💀

[arctic plover]

I think mine isn't faster

but supernova is important

[indigo matrix]

Bro is trying bad at trolling

[indigo matrix]

Lemme retry aurora real quick

[orchid needle]

I mean people only have so much patience anyways, the market is becoming so saturated now for gachas, people will move on fast

[arctic plover]

so what's your team, hold up

[orchid needle]

After this weekend im curious how the player base will look

[robust scarab]

thats why changes need to be implemented asap

[arctic plover]

rosa valerian lily lingluo holden ?

[arctic plover]

now your post will prompt people to go

"oh nobody even wants to see those tourists here anyway" and such

[arctic plover]

so what's your team?

rosa valerian lily lingluo holden?

if yes, try to move gear around so lingluo is the fastest in your team (move lily's gear to her)

[arctic plover]

or so at least lingluo can heal before rosa moves

[robust scarab]

rosa/lingluo/valerian/lily/holden or heinrich id think

[arctic plover]

ok you are manualling right

[tiny sage]

Yep Spending 10 hours Farming Inferno shell Dungeons even with SSania and Lily ... Real Great Game Design for a Farming dungeon W Devs.

[orchid needle]

Im over here manually farming doki hell 4 at 4 mins per run

[tiny sage]

and getting out of those 100 runs 76 Epic Shells

Big W

[arctic plover]

turn order should be
lingluo -> heinrich -> lily -> rosa or lingluo -> lily -> heinrich -> rosa

since you are manualling you should restart every time heinrich doesn't land both debuffs (it doesn't consume extra energy, you lose only 1 energy even if you restart 299 times)

[robust scarab]

another problem rn is that people are looking through the optics of refreshing 10x everyday, imagine how truly bad these drop rates are going to be when we arent refreshing anymore

[tardy ridge]

need the skill issue gif droppers to show up for this

[robust scarab]

we dont need nerfs, we need loot table reworks

[arctic plover]

HP inflation in calyxes, honkai starbucks could never

[tardy ridge]

"its a marathon just wait a month and invest 12 x 5 lattice whole team to clear farm content"

[arctic plover]

imagine not being able to spend your daily energy sink

[tiny sage]

I know I fucked up not building Obal because I needed Red Chiaki to survive things

[orchid needle]

Oh god I can't imagine how long it takes a regular team even with lily to do inferno clears

[drowsy gust]

Oh boy spending most of my day farming an inconsistent gear stage sounds really enticing

[indigo matrix]

@arctic plover this is as far as i could get manualling,

My lily goes first tho cus shes hyper sped but my heinrich still goes before rosa so

[arctic plover]

move gear away from lily

[robust scarab]

right? imagine only having 200 stamina and getting 15 epic shells lmao

[tiny sage]

I mean if it were not for the 9 matrix I would just farm hell lol

[orchid needle]

Build viper and swap out Heinrich trust

[arctic plover]

oh, if heinrich before rosa that's good

[tardy ridge]

all of you overeacting just 12 x 5 lattice entire team and 6 star lvl 50 to start the farm content

[tiny sage]

[robust scarab]

even hell 4 needs to be changed, why tf we getting 2 matrix modules??

[paper dagger]

@indigo matrix if you're really struggling, something you can do is to use lily skill 2 on lingluo instead of rosa. it will take twice as long but it's safer usually

[arctic plover]

you are not wrong actually

[indigo matrix]

The dps just aint cutting it, i need to farm fury for rosa but fury is from aurora its so dumb

[orchid needle]

Or holden if you have, though u want cd on him with swift if u can

[azure hare]

hes a cheat code, i autoed ember trek boss bc of him lol

[paper dagger]

yeah viper >>>>>>> heinrich in pve

[arctic plover]

yeah, I was farming momentum for rosa manually

🙂 🔫

[orchid needle]

Yeah vipers kit is actually so insane

[indigo matrix]

Bro theres so many units to build do i cant keep up, im out of purp and gold lattices too

[tardy ridge]

heinrich the most pos unit of all time

[indigo matrix]

I do have holden tho

[tiny sage]

im still pissed the nerfed Veronika... I could have saved my Targeted summon for Celince

[indigo matrix]

Whos built

[tardy ridge]

🥀

[paper dagger]

maybe it was just pvp but i genuinely can't believe prydwen put heinrich in tier 0 lmao

[tiny sage]

Literally 2 days after I picked her they nerfed her into oblivion

[orchid needle]

Probably the most overrated unit yeah, I only use him for pvp union boss sometimes and phantom theater

[indigo matrix]

But i dont feel like holden brings more than heinrich here cus theyre just there to dispel

[arctic plover]

if you used targetted on veronika that just stinks

[paper dagger]

no holden brings attack down which makes runs safer

[robust scarab]

holden reduces turn meter which is OP

[orchid needle]

The 100% turn reduction can be a life saver

[tiny sage]

The Strip was needed then they released Holden so Heinrich became useless

[arctic plover]

I gave him revelation so I can cope that he is useful.

If I resetted him and put that revelation on dinah she would deal more damage

[orchid needle]

Freya too

[tardy ridge]

id rather use turandot than heinrich

[indigo matrix]

Fair but if i dont have the dps the boss just go monkey and obliterates at some point,

So id need a debuffer like Dinah, but then if i put dinah i lose on sustain

[tardy ridge]

🥀

[indigo matrix]

Ill try with hypersped holden ig

[orchid needle]

Heinrich being an L/D unit is kinda criminal

[robust scarab]

lingluo/holden/dinah/rosa/lily should be fine for hell 4

[arctic plover]

oh, you own holden?

then get that bozo heinrich out of there

[tiny sage]

The Fact Sengoku Hell Gives the same Shell XP as Inferno Hoyan is wild

[arctic plover]

why didn't you say that from the get go

[tiny sage]

And Same Shell rarity

[indigo matrix]

Good enough?

[orchid needle]

Funny enough its possible to get the exact same drops from hell and inferno on the same boss right?

[robust scarab]

this is the mf problem, why tf are there epics D_D

[arctic plover]

banger

[tiny sage]

Yep

[orchid needle]

[tiny sage]

you can have stupid hard content and dece rewards

[arctic plover]

although you can swap one effacc for crit on holden

[tiny sage]

or easy content and shit rewards

[arctic plover]

actually speaking of crit

[tiny sage]

Not both

[arctic plover]

did you put one crit module on each support

it's important with rosa

[tardy ocean]

To recycle for training data and Reconfigure Chips.

[azure hare]

2.5% chance or so for 3x3 shells is a little whack with epics in the lootpooll

[orchid needle]

Would you like a side of abysmal dogshit with your inferno clear

[azure hare]

not to mention im sitting on 2k reconfigure chips and 0 shell currency

[tiny sage]

Is it 2.5% I have it either at 1-6%

[drowsy gust]

Gotta love doing dozens of runs to get enough etheria coins to barely get enough to +15 a mythic and that's assuming you recycle everything that drops

[tiny sage]

[robust scarab]

with as much farming as we have to do for perfect shells on a shit ton of characters, we dont need MORE recycle materials outside of the bad mythics we get, not to mention the credits that drop too

[azure hare]

im just going off my limited runs of about 500 or so

about 1/40 i get a 3x3

[tiny sage]

Yeah 186 Epics
57 Mythics
5 9 Matrix

[azure hare]

i might be a little higher

[tiny sage]

Thats what i got so far

[arctic plover]

feels like chips are not a real currency, they serve zero purpose

[tardy ocean]

You say that, until you start ungrading said Mythic shells and it takes 200k - 250k training data to level up alone

[clever tapir]

Yo which support is good with this? to farm inferno easier

[tiny sage]

Only 1 of the 9 matrix is usable

[clever tapir]

i have no clue who needs strive and bloobath

healers use hp%

[azure hare]

now i cant say that 1/9 is usable for me...almost every single one i got i could think of a use case

[robust scarab]

id much rather have the matrix i actually want instead of 29478109571 epics that are just going to be recycled

[clever tapir]

supports use speed

[tardy ocean]

Hey! Serra!!

[tiny sage]

[arctic plover]

valerian??? just disenchant

[clever tapir]

valerian?

doesnt she want hp

[arctic plover]

on artisan she wants hp and def

[tardy ocean]

I'd rather have training data and reconfigure chips so i don't have a half way built shell due to lack of funds.

[clever tapir]

hm

[arctic plover]

because, well, artisan

[orchid needle]

Honestly for inferno just removing the turn meter reduction mitigation effect might be enough of a fix

[robust scarab]

you have to obtain the shell to begin with to even enhance it tho :p

[clever tapir]

ngl im thinking linglou

she doesnt scale with hp

[tardy ocean]

Part of the grind I suppose. Just started farming shannon and is what it is.

[tiny sage]

You do know that Mythics also give Shell XP and Chips.

[robust scarab]

thats why theres a thread after all /shrug

[arctic plover]

she wants speed

[azure hare]

ok so im at roughly 5500 stamina with 95% or so win rate...522 runs roughly, 19 3x3s

a little higher than i thought

[clever tapir]

ugh

[azure hare]

3.6%

[tardy ocean]

Yeh but you know they gotta give us RNG in everything

[indigo matrix]

@arctic plover nah bruhv the fokin smal guys keeps giving her back immunity its annoying

[arctic plover]

😦

[azure hare]

but i didnt exactly write it down, just going off my inventory and how many levels im up solely farming inferno

[orchid needle]

Viper maxed s3 is 3 turn dispel and atk down speed down

[robust scarab]

need to get the shell that resets skill for holden

[orchid needle]

Otherwise u wanna run Halloween time weave on holden if you can m so you'll have ult up after the adds give her immune buff

[indigo matrix]

Purp Lattices couldnt reach you, they mustve gone off in the wild

[arctic plover]

my team was lingluo rosa rc77 heinrich tsuki, so I don't know exact details for yours :/

[indigo matrix]

This guy

Guess ima be farming shells tomorrow again

[robust scarab]

yeah thats the one

get a speed timeweave one and gg

or speed/bramble

[indigo matrix]

Yeah but id need a full 12 pc timeweave set

But these mfs never drop eff acc at 3 nodes

Eff acc 3 nodes timeweave is a myth

[surreal bobcat]

codex cant drop with timeweave

[robust scarab]

oh true does it drop with bramble?

[robust scarab]

maybe strive then? more turn meter is probably the best bet

[indigo matrix]

I was planning on using this for rosa for multi enemies content

Rosa S3 > Lily S2 to pull Rosa > Rosa S3 > Rosa S1 > Rosa S3

Wait no

[robust scarab]

revelation is rosas best friend

[drifting glade]

Bro infernal is cooked

No Lilly I'm dead

[indigo matrix]

Thatd be 3/4 S3 in 4 turns

[indigo matrix]

Hmmm i could farm Revelation, i can auto Hell hoyan anyway

[robust scarab]

revelation would be more dps since its hp % based and hit number based

[indigo matrix]

Now im contemplating using my 5 stabilizers left even though 2x is coming

(Yes i know, i used all my stabilizers )

[robust scarab]

rip lmao

[indigo matrix]

i started saving my stabilizers today okay, its not much but its honest work

Cries in lvl 60 whos gonna be left behind after 2x

[robust scarab]

i rerolled my whole account to save stabilizers bc i used them before

rerolled 3 days ago at 43 and now im back up to 34

just in time to hit 40 before 2x

[indigo matrix]

I cant reroll man, my account’s luck is nasty,

F2P, 15/26 units, 5/6 LD

[robust scarab]

yeah thats wild, i ended up getting hella dupes on my other acc so i didnt mind, had like 3 ssania and massiah for LD's and some other good stuff but now i got 5/6 LD

[wary fractal]

yea my account is stacked with pulls aswell, missing only a few and they are all KEY units... so i cant reroll cuz il never get this many, but fuck i miss the best ones

[indigo matrix]

Ima use my 40 staminas i have rn and prayge i get good revelation in 4 runs

Inb4 4 epic shells drop

[arctic plover]

wdym good revelation in 4 runs

[robust scarab]

need at least 40

lol

[arctic plover]

I have gotten over 50 revelations and there was not a single fury/momentum among them

my rosa is on onslaught/momentum as a result of this cope

[ember notch]

Khloros is a good unit to focus on ? I kind of neeed him for Terror Hell 3 + and farming Hoyan Shells on Hell

[robust scarab]

since its capped based on the animus' attack thats actually probably better for the effect no?

[arctic plover]

nah

[robust scarab]

still underpreforms?

[arctic plover]

even on rev more than half of rosa's damage is crittable

but it's not terrible

I just wanted to complain

[robust scarab]

fair lol

lets riot

ill get the molotovs

[warped kestrel]

He's good for guild boss, and I assume he's at least decent in PvP. I don't think it'd be bad to 6* any SSR DPS, as for skilling up... that's a different story.

[indigo matrix]

Welp no revelation it is

I already busted my luck anyway 2 days ago

Not 3 sets but atleast i can make a 12/12

The 20% eff acc im missing isnt that big of a difference at this point

[arctic plover]

why do people build jackal

[indigo matrix]

Isnt he good for debuffers?

[arctic plover]

lily gives speed buff

you only get the damage from jackal's passive

[indigo matrix]

Doesnt she give only for 1 unit tho?

[warped kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-fist-angry-fist-arthur-arthur-fist-anger-gif-7354160

[indigo matrix]

Am i stupid

[charred minnow]

no she gives speed for all allies

[warped kestrel]

Oh I just realized he's using it on Lily

[charred minnow]

twin trick to target

[indigo matrix]

Omg im actually stupid

[warped kestrel]

Thought the message was implying everyone has a Lily

[arctic plover]

I don't have a lily, that's why I summoned walmart version (tsuki)

[indigo matrix]

Whats the best for lily then? Gigabyte?

[charred minnow]

I use Artisan on lily

[arctic plover]

gigabyte works, yeah

artisan is great, true

forgor

artisan on everyone is a good idea

[charred minnow]

but gigabyte would be my real choice

[arctic plover]

artisan on holden artisan on lily and artisan on valerian

and you will have a lot easier time living

[charred minnow]

imho I think how they can fix inferno shells without having to nerf/buff anything
let us use teams of 5 ;-;

[indigo matrix]

What matrix for gigabyte on lily? Swift then what?

Cus i got this but

[arctic plover]

wait are you shadow sania user

smh my head blocked

[indigo matrix]

Wish it was etherplagur and not evolguard

[indigo matrix]

Do i look like i have a choice with how poorly devs balanced

[charred minnow]

wish mine had timeweave

[charred minnow]

also wdym

evolguard is better on lily than etherplague

[arctic plover]

does it not roll good sets

swiftsraid/swiftsmite

[indigo matrix]

For pvp tho no?

[charred minnow]

;-;

lily doesn't need eff acc ;-;

[indigo matrix]

Whats the point of eff acc on lily

In pve

[arctic plover]

I think you just take the L and go swiftsmite/swiftsraid anyway and ignore the shell matrices

[charred minnow]

but then what's the point of etherplague

[indigo matrix]

Oh i meant just as a piece in general

Swift/Timeweave/Etherplague would be perfect for a debuffer on gigabyte

[arctic plover]

you would rather have switftsmite/swiftsraid

[indigo matrix]

Im guessing for lily tho u want Swift/Strive/Bloodbath

[charred minnow]

can't get those 3

[indigo matrix]

Theres no swiftsmite on gigabyte tho

[arctic plover]

then don't use gigabyte

or ignore the matrix and build it in modules

[charred minnow]

imho I'd take 12/12 bloodbath swiftrush

tanky and fast lily

[arctic plover]

I would prefer 12 swiftrush 6 swiftsmite instead

[charred minnow]

why

for the 15% speed

[arctic plover]

faster

or swiftsraid

doesn't matter

just be faster

[indigo matrix]

Soooo

[tardy ridge]

jackal guard calling your name then

[charred minnow]

but jackal is bad on lily

[indigo matrix]

Thats the only shell that has all 3 no?

[charred minnow]

if only it wasn't bramble

I'd take swiftrush, strive, swiftsmite/raid

[indigo matrix]

This the best alicorn i got

The others are garbage

Guess ill farm niconana all day tomorrow

Is revelation also bis for Rilmocha? @arctic plover

She does lots of damage ticks on S3 so im guessing so

[warped kestrel]

Thing is that for Doki, you ideally want to oneshot first and second wave, Revelation would only let you oneshot first wave

This is assuming you can oneshot in inferno, which is very hard, but that's the goal for perfect auto

[indigo matrix]

I cant clear inferno yet, so whats the best for ril then?

[rigid drift]

Is it a smart decision to reset rilmocha and Rosa and go for Xiada to clear both aurora and doki inferno to save resources?

[warped kestrel]

I've been using white fang, but it's not particularly synergistic either for the goal of one shotting both waves, so I don't know. I don't think revelation is much worse if at all, I just don't think it'll help much in achieving the goal of oneshotting both waves

With Rilmocha, that is

[charred minnow]

no

Rosa can also clear dokidoki inferno

[scarlet quartz]

ye if anything u would focus on rosa for both

[rigid drift]

Okay, thanks a lot!

[scarlet quartz]

Also count is bis for rilmocha if u can oneshot first wave it offers the most for the second

[blissful willow]

still gotta have lily

[warped kestrel]

I'm farming counts at the moment because I think it'll be bis indeed, since it's a massive 2 turn atk buff

[charred minnow]

splash dmg doesn't get reduced by their reduc right?

[warped kestrel]

Seems perfectly synergistic with the goal of oneshotting both waves

[charred minnow]

just gotta level up my count

now I'm even more excited to find a team for Rengokutsu inferno

[indigo matrix]

U mean ssania

Count is good as a shell?

[tribal osprey]

Don't think you can dot him

Unless I'm reading it wrong

[indigo matrix]

Ahhh damnit, his nightmare version doesnt have will field

[rustic sonnet]

yeah I got to inferno this morning, idk who y'all balanced this around in the SR rooster but I'm not touching this game until something changes xDDDD idc if I have the only team who can do inferno I cant support this slop lmfao

[graceful juniper]

Cant dot inferno...hell can

[tribal osprey]

Yeah I was confused when Sean was dotting him.

[tribal osprey]

Hell has the same passive

[graceful juniper]

Oh what? I guess they fix hell too

[past geyser]

I'm thinking about rerolling at lvl 57 cause kinda hard stuck without lily or ssania. Can do auto all the h4 & non inferno shells, but besides sharon & doki, inferno seems impossibly far out of reach, even with better substat rolls.

So idk if i just wait until good rolls or just reroll asap so lose less tme

[tribal osprey]

Just enter doki inferno then work your way to the others

[past geyser]

doki inferno doesn't get me anything though

unless i have an inferno shell to go with it

if i was like 30% off killing the other bosses they might be viable with perfect substats, but its extremely not close

[warped kestrel]

It's extremely likely that Inferno will get a difficulty nerf soon, the question is how soon is "soon." Is soon before this weekend, or is soon once drama starts a week or two from now, who knows.

[indigo matrix]

If they do it after 2x event ull see a lot of ppl rioting

So either they do it SOON SOON or its gonna be too late

[craggy gale]

If they don’t nerf before 2X event I’m charhing back my money spent. I’ll go reroll on new server and get the unit they want me to have to progress in the game.

[pure junco]

I think many hope something big would happen before then

[craggy gale]

Aloootttt of people are

[pure junco]

I honestly don't think it'll be something that big

Maybe afterwards

[craggy gale]

Just run a shadow Sania banner

That evens the playing field for everyone I think

If they don’t want to make nerfs to boss

[pure junco]

then you too can call everyone else doom posters after getting her!

[craggy gale]

Naw I would just go play the game

[past geyser]

just need 80 ld tickets xD in a coupon code too

[craggy gale]

If you saved up from beginning should be fine.

Maybe make the banner last a while

[past geyser]

f2p has gotten like 20 total

[craggy gale]

More weekly

And gems if people saved

[past geyser]

you cant gems ld banner

[craggy gale]

Some can get lucky to

[carmine palm]

yes you can

but only the rate up

not the perm one

[devout geyser]

Yeah a SSania banner isn't gonna solve the issue considering you also need Lily with her, they need to just fix the pve lmao

[craggy gale]

I’m trying to help come with a solution if they don’t wanna nerf boss or major changes

[devout geyser]

Doesn't really matter what they want to do if they want to have a playerbase, they buffed it by this much with 0 testing from beta->live so they need to adjust it to be reasonable or lose players.

[craggy gale]

Run a banner for one of the 2 I guess. Game came out in poor state. They made drastic changes from beta so this is a given.

[past geyser]

or i guess they could just buff fangus/obol

[devout geyser]

Running a banner as a fix for bad design is greedy and would just lose even more players.

[pure junco]

Any ideas?

[craggy gale]

It’s the 2nd week on launch and so many major issues according idk why devs aren’t more communicative.

[pure junco]

We're gonna need many suggestions

[wary fractal]

im "rerollin" too tomorrow, just boring game without them

[craggy gale]

Release the banner for Lily and sania or nerfs boss mechanics to beta or maybe a lil stronger

It shouldn’t be to the point where only selective can clear

[past geyser]

change obol to 2 turn dots then could maybe see a path with good enough gear to it working

[craggy gale]

Yeah

There should be a F2P way to clear

Not the only luck way to clear

[pure junco]

And do we know the pros and cons to these? In order to write this constructively, so they won't feel like it's just complaining

[rustic sonnet]

bro suggest something that doesn't involve a treat for the dev's fixing soemthing that never should've needed fixing

[devout geyser]

check pinned comments, there have been a bunch.

[pure junco]

I know, that's why I'm saying just in case there's more 😆

[craggy gale]

I mean the treat makes it more likely to happen.

But if they can, buffs some SR dot units

[rustic sonnet]

???? I'm not playing a game whos chores revolve around 1 team

boring af

stale

[indigo matrix]

Theres like3 days left before 2x no?

[pure junco]

Yeah

[past geyser]

the problem with banner is anyone who starts after the banner is in same bad spot again

[craggy gale]

Better than not being able to clear I guess

[pure junco]

Three days left, for a hypothetical big solution. We'll see

[indigo matrix]

Doubt theyll pull a balance patch in the next 3 days unless they do it tomorrow or someth

[carmine palm]

Could do an LD selector banner that's permanent like the RGB one. Still have it cost LD tickets or 3x gems. F2P could work on it slowly over time.

[rustic sonnet]

Bro I have S sania, Lily, 1 dupe of both. I got a cracked diting. I should be able to beat inferno with any other option that had decent investment, not just the gimic units

[floral shuttle]

does Victor w/ Revelation still deal less damage than Diting by a huge margin?

[past geyser]

arent they nerfing revelation soon anyway, "bugfixing"

[rustic sonnet]

Inferno is RUDE to people who don't have the 1 set of people who can bypass it via scaling damage

[pure junco]

Perhaps

[indigo matrix]

Ppl talked about it but i think its just hearsay, idk if devs said anything about that

Lets not create an SSania situation all over again

[craggy gale]

It goes to show these devs don’t test or play their own games

[carmine palm]

Revelation is being "monitored" last I saw

[pure junco]

😅 Too late

[past geyser]

i mean it is weird the game says its 40% chance to happen, but is 100%

shell says 100%, buff in fights say 40%

whether hey nerf it or not, they need to fix the text

[pure junco]

I think there's a lot of translation issues

[floral shuttle]

hopefully nerfing for pvp only as people abuse it their apparently. but for pve hope not lol otherwise this game can only be played with a few units

[devout geyser]

Well judging by the track record so far I would expect rev to be "bug fixed" before the pve is. Would love to be proved wrong tho lol.

[carmine palm]

Yea it's why I have anxiety about which characters to build.

[craggy gale]

It really shouldn’t be that way

It’s what happen when devs don’t communicate more often

[indigo matrix]

^^^^

[pure junco]

But you're doom posting when being critical!

[indigo matrix]

“We will do our best to communicate better” said the devs like less than a week ago,

Now its crickets

[carmine palm]

yea and I'm in a better spot than most. I'm only missing 3 units (one of the other two is on rate-up and another I could use my perm selector on). Sadly, the last one is ssania and I'm not interested in 5min at a time in RNG hell trying to get a single clear

[pure junco]

That's why all we can do is wait

[craggy gale]

Not doom posting…you’re just sensitive

[devout geyser]

I'm hopeful that they'll adjust inferno to be more reasonable. I'm just hoping it's sooner rather than later.

[indigo matrix]

Like it takes so low effort to just have one of the devs communicate now and then and say

“We are thinking about this subject or doing this thing or changing this thing, tho its unclear whether this will come to light”

And problem solved, takes 5mins of a dev’s day and everybody happy

[craggy gale]

I never said game is gonna die. I said devs needs to communicate more. How is that doom posting?

[devout geyser]

he was being sarcastic

[pure junco]

Right? It's like, say that to the people who were double charged

[indigo matrix]

Mfw archero tried to charge me twice so i refunded through apple and they banned my account

[carmine palm]

Imagine playing the game for 2-3 years and THEN you get double charged. If you contest it with your bank, everything gone.

[indigo matrix]

Never supporting Archero’s devs again

[pure junco]

Damn

That's unacceptable

[tribal osprey]

But would they be greedy and stupid?

[floral shuttle]

Man I hate it here. Been able to auto hell 4 terror and doki2, and all grim pursuit hell w/ out Diting, SSania, but Inferno is just a different animal. Way overtuned. And people with SSania just pulling ahead day by day....

[warped kestrel]

They're obviously not going to run a ssania banner and leave it as it is, as that wouldn't solve the core issue, which is that average players will be hard-walled out of Inferno for possibly months

[pure junco]

Of course not! Looks at Aurora

[floral shuttle]

All we can do is wait but people with SSania already enjoying Inferno rewards Im just happy I pulled Lily man, another unit really "useful" for everything this game has to offer

[pure junco]

I actually have her myself and agree to an extent. The content is still RNG savvy

[distant wedge]

2025/06/21 04:00 (SVT) wtf is SVT?

[floral shuttle]

Hoping that Yeli is a ST DPS for Inferno contents... will save end game accounts who are stuck rn. Its not a solution to the problem yes, but atleast a different option other than SSania. Probably a ST dmg dealer based on enemy hp% too lul

[warped kestrel]

Server Time, probably?

[carmine palm]

Hopefully future banners at least won't be a Hoyan situation where we have multiple versions of their kits (youtube video, in game text, in game text v2 after hotfix, actual tested scaling)

[warped kestrel]

The character that the equipment dungeons, up to even the highest difficulty can be cleared with, even if slowly and inefficiently, should be one given to players for free by the game, as doing that content is the bare minimum to even actually play the game. That character should have been Lian.

And of course, premium units like ssania should be able to make the farming even faster and more efficient.

[craggy gale]

Bro’s trolling

[warped kestrel]

And it probably was Lian at some point in their first beta, but they probably just buffed the bosses and forgot about Lian, if I had to guess(I didn't play first beta)

[distant wedge]

oh so 2x right on reset global i see

[craggy gale]

Yeah I feel that.

[carmine palm]

Lian was much more viable at least for Terror before the turn meter - change and HP inflation

[craggy gale]

Exactly

[floral shuttle]

Im glad I started this game with a Massiah acct. Didnt expect that he will still be my only DPS until now. But glad I have him, can auto hell 4 terror and doki2 with him. But yea, atleast 1 Diting should be free imo. Like after 600+ pulls lvl 55 account should give you 1 Diting

[carmine palm]

Also still bizarre to me that turn meter- has reduced effecitveness, but turn meter steal is fine

[devout geyser]

She was being used in clears in the last beta but then they buffed boss resistance to pushback and it basically killed her since her niche was stealing turn meter

[floral shuttle]

I hate that too. Different versions of the character kit and they rolled out with apparently a poor version of her kit in live version? unreal

[sudden wedge]

doesn’t turn meter steal still work?

seems like kloss s2 isn’t mitigated

[arctic plover]

no.

It doesn't get recorded in her splash so the only thing revelation does is increase the damage on the main target. Furrhermore it has cooldown unless you use lily (and rilmocha is not lily reliant, you often don't want to run lily even if you own her with rilm) so on the more important second wave it does nothing.

Best in slot is count -- it works for the first two s3s that are more important, if you can clear the first wave and clear the second wave except the main mob you are good to go.

[devout geyser]

it still works, there's just higher resistances to it now so units like Marvell and Lian aren't as valuable in fights like Terror as they were in beta. You used to just repeat push him down on the meter while your hyper carry killed

[tiny sage]

Beta Perfectly Balanced. LIVE fuck balance make the farming stage tjat should be autoable too hard.

[charred minnow]

Flash update to fix difficulity

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[crude sparrow]

that cat is so funny

[arctic plover]

we might get a flash update, there is a gamebreaking pvp bug right now (like actually gamebreaking, not in an figure-of-speech way). Not going to elaborate so more people don't start to abuse it, but it's possible to get it before they do anything to the difficulty.

[crude sparrow]

you talking about the thing that starts with R?

[arctic plover]

no

I am talking about the thing that makes you win the game due to a bugged behavior, revelation works exactly as written

as I said that is not a figure of speech, revelation being gamebreaking is a figure of speech

[edgy wind]

So maybe the thing that starts with A

[arctic plover]

yeah, that thing

we had it in beta but it was fixed where it was found, but some cases has slipped through cracks.

It's fine though, not a big deal, oversights happen.

[gilded mirage]

Feels like res increased too. Ain't no way 200 eff acc Kazuyo still sometimes misses sleeping

Ikr, literally changed my plans because of this

[cold bluff]

yeah my 200% eff accuracy kaz regularly misses the sleep in 3 or more rotations on the middle guy in wave 2

[lilac lotus]

thats because no matter how high the activation rate is or accuracy 1/10 attempts at sleep will fail no matter what

Grey's 100% def down on crit still will miss 1/10 times

[cold bluff]

true but aint no way I rolled 10% that many runs in a row

[mighty cave]

Who know, maybe u unlucky

[lilac lotus]

Well no so Kasuya, has a 45% chance to slumber if they have 200% res (thinking in inferno its actually like 140-150 res) your 200% accurcy is actually only + 50%, so your true chance to land sleep is 45% X 50% =67.5% chance to sleep

Cause ((accuracy - res) x your activation rate) is essentially the calculation

[gilded mirage]

Wish we had a way to see enemy RES

[cold bluff]

sure, and that is unreasonable

I cant get more effect accuracy

[topaz nimbus]

when you start farming inferno shells, are you able to imprint them onto your hell mode shells?

[gilded mirage]

Yes

I'd love to know if 250 eff acc will solve my issues or if I'm already capped at it's effectiveness for this stage

[lilac lotus]

Yea this is where we are having an issue, its not the HP of the enemies thats the issue its the Resistance and Defense of the enemies making everything such a pain right now

Id love to see these two numbers reduced

on enemies in Inferno mode

[cold bluff]

yeah, it would also be nice if every boss fight didnt have defense down and stun

there are like 3 characters with immunity in the game, and only one with two turn immunity is dark cachi

cant use helkid in doki, so just prey the dont rng target your carry

or restart

I honestly dont think they tested any of this

[lilac lotus]

mhmm how much hp do your units have?

[cold bluff]

or if they did it was with max gear and with all 3 sets

[lilac lotus]

all my supports are close to 40k+ and for me its purely a dps issue not a surviving issue

[uncut mica]

Astarte Dark mob says hi

[gilded mirage]

1 hour of resetting...

[cold bluff]

yeah my supports live through it, if Xaidia gets an unlucky def down tho because kaz missed, the middle dude one shots

[gilded mirage]

Yes so much stuns in Doki it's crazy and then 5 of the mobs dog pile your DPS

[lilac lotus]

ah yea, the dps dying is the pain

[frigid dune]

So, how many consistent inferno starts without shadow Sania are there?

[charred minnow]

Ooo just did full auto inferno dokidoki pure luck with rng tho

[tardy ridge]

wall of china is like the most consistent for terror

[lilac lotus]

probably 8?

but the thing is as long as you can break into 1 of the shell dungeons and 1 of the Inferno module ones

it will all become easier

but you will need a ton of different mythic Shells built

[pure junco]

Not that I think about it, how effective is Effect Resistance?

[charred minnow]

I really see so many easy fixes to a lot of inferno content that is not just reduce hp/atk of enemies

Dokidoki, why is the passive on a 2-turn cycle? make it 3-turn or even 4-turn after doing a cc

having a 3-turn cycle would make it a lot easier for multiple other teams

or without running it with lily

[arctic plover]

the easiest fix is obvious -- revert it to the playtested beta level

it's disappointing that you seem to be already gaslighted into accepting half-measures. If they let it marinade for 3 more days we will enter the quarter-measure territory.

[charred minnow]

because in 3 more days more teams will exist.

I agree it has to be easy to do for auto content

but the hp/atk inflation is not the issue here or atleast not the biggest

[lilac lotus]

FK that, beta difficulty was boring asf

[arctic plover]

have you finished ember trek?

[lilac lotus]

I am in hard mode yes

[arctic plover]

so you have not, got it

[charred minnow]

nice attitude

[lilac lotus]

? why does that matter, i dont have inferno gear, or maxed shells

[arctic plover]

there you have your difficult content, why is daily stamina spending gated

[lilac lotus]

Inferno isnt hard, we just got there

[charred minnow]

idk but I can spend my daily stamina just fine

[lilac lotus]

and I 1000% sure you have like 5 chars level 6

how bout you wait till you have 10-12 done, with multiple shells at 40 before you complain

cause funny enough we dont see the asian players complaining, and they find some wierd as strats with R and SR teams

and they are all in Inferno just fine without SSania

[charred minnow]

no >: ( if I don't get my instant gratification right now I will throw another tantrum >: (

https://tenor.com/view/no-why-tantrums-cry-kid-gif-15618351

[lilac lotus]

Man 2000 kids be actually dumb asf

[charred minnow]

I can grind inferno in manual almost all bosses

but I be chilling doing auto hell IV if I cba

imagine following the game structure and doing previous difficulty if you can't consistently do the hardest ;-;

[lilac lotus]

Like best part if People go to the Pinned section of this feedback tab there are already so many different options for inferno teams and we are 3 days past even being able to fight them

so like less than 5% of the player base even has access to the Inferno mode

[charred minnow]

I'd like to see some form of nerfs that don't nerf the hp/atk immediately

[untold zephyr]

Anyone find a stable rengoku team I’ve been to lazy to try

[arctic plover]

so many options to brick your account in the pinned section true

[lilac lotus]

just the diting team

[charred minnow]

I'm getting close but currently not sharing

[lilac lotus]

Ok id ask you quit now before you realise you need to build other chars

not just 5

[untold zephyr]

I’m to bad at the game need help

[charred minnow]

I'll share once I clear

[untold zephyr]

Share secret

[thin crystal]

Are you the quitting police

[untold zephyr]

Wait a hoyan clear

[lilac lotus]

both of these work for the last boss @untold zephyr

[untold zephyr]

[lilac lotus]

ya

[charred minnow]

can you share stats of the Diting run?

I'm from EU ;-;

0 clears here

[untold zephyr]

Bruh someone in my guild was saying she works for a few days now but we never fully tested

Excuse to build her now

[charred minnow]

not even artisan cheese, lovely

[lilac lotus]

No but im def not sitting here complaining i cant beat inferno cause Im to lazy to build chars other than the 5 i currently have

these guys think they should be able to beat everything with just diting + lian

[charred minnow]

I mean hell you can complain, but just sitting around and complaining is so counterproductive for yourself

[arctic plover]

no, you sit here saying everything is fine and beta was too easy as you've cleared everything with shadow sania #1375388451641233449 message

like no shit

[lilac lotus]

mines unbuilt

[thin crystal]

Way to oversimplify the issue lmfao

[lilac lotus]

thanks for the lack of logic

[thin crystal]

Get off your high horse dude

[lilac lotus]

we have already like 20 differnt units other than SSania that can clear some of the dungeons

not a high horse

[arctic plover]

your statement was that the beta difficulty was too easy

and also you have mentioned that you've used shadow sania in beta for every dungeon

do you think there might be a correlation between these two things?

do you think by any chance if you've used conventional units in beta it would not have felt too easy?

[lilac lotus]

Yes cause in beta she was the only L/D i had from the get go and i like dot teams, but there were people beating inferno with 5 star rins

Victor was oneshotting Inferno terror

[arctic plover]

there were also people in top 10 rta who failed to clear inferno

[thin crystal]

Most down to earth celestials member

😂

[lilac lotus]

I mean you joke, least im in here trying to help people find alterntives other than just complaining they dont have SSania, I constantly monitor Recent completes and share teams that arent Shadow Sania and their stats so people who dont have them have a chance

I also want a nerf to the Inferno dungeons,

but going back to the Beta difficulty will be worse than leaving it in the current state long term

I want a middle ground where its difficult, but not impossible for f2p players

[distant wedge]

^

[charred minnow]

^

[thin crystal]

So we have a right to complain

[grand roost]

were 2 months in worth of natural stamina and content is completely unclearable without cheese, not nerfing it by at least 50% right now is completely delulu

[lilac lotus]

Also if you went into any of the VC's i litterally sit there for hours after work helping people push to Hell 4, because as a large spender Im inthrawled by this game at this moment, and i want this game to succed, My opinions are not right 100% of the time, however I think people keep forgetting that we are so early in the life cycle.

@grand roost most people are sitting on 60-80 capsules of energy and have built a shockingly low amount of units, The devs expecation is probably that inferno is not meant to be completed this soon. 2 months of energy is not a lot when even the largest spenders dont have more than 9 6 stars and most of those are pvp units

if we had say 20 6 stars of various types, multiple different shells built and we still could not get a single clear Id be up in arms too, but every day we find new teams that work

that use 5 star units, and some use non l/ds

[arctic plover]

if their expectation was that inferno is not meant to be completed this soon it shouldn't have been unlocked.

devs expectation is that we will send on a permanent banner trying to fish for the solution

[charred minnow]

how dare you approach this discussion with a healthy middleground! Burn the witch!

[arctic plover]

and buy shadowprints/lattices if we fail it

[lilac lotus]

sure I one hundred % agree inferno should not have been unlocked pre-level 70

[grand roost]

then they have completely failed the game design, we are talking about farm content for gear 2 months in, i understand if that was ember trek for like a premium lattice or other rewards or some other endgame prestige mode, but its basic farm content, its absurd

[thin crystal]

Right, lemme farm hell4 for 6 months to reach that first

[charred minnow]

what is the problem with hell4?

[grand roost]

the problem is not with hell 4 its with inferno

[lilac lotus]

Hell 4 and inferno gear are essentially the same

[charred minnow]

I auto hell4 if I cba doing inferno manual

[thin crystal]

You can't be serious

[grand roost]

then remove inferno if its the same

everyones happy then

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-tantrum-throwing-a-fit-gif-12233942823939298045

[lilac lotus]

have you done an inferno? im still getting god damn 2 slots

[thin crystal]

Inferno gives you one huge extra set

[arctic plover]

if there is no problem with hell 4 please be non-hypocritical and farm it during 2x event and send us screenshots of doing it

so we know it's fine and there is no problem with it

[lilac lotus]

but you dont have the HELL SETS ON YOUR UNITS!!!

[thin crystal]

Yeah doki2 cause I despise building s. Sania despite having both her and lily

[uncut mica]

the only difference in the drop pool between H4 and I1 is the addition of the inferno modules

[charred minnow]

you think I will be farming modules during 2x event

[lilac lotus]

why are you bypassing the middle step of progression

[charred minnow]

imma be building up my units during 2x event

[lilac lotus]

most people i see with gear have like hp/def/res on their DPS gear substats

[thin crystal]

Oh I don't? Didn't know you had access to my account

[arctic plover]

then farm hell 4 if there is no difference

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-griffin-red-face-angry-mad-gif-23884573

[lilac lotus]

oh so your dps sets are inline?

all have crit crit damage atk% and hp on them?

[foggy mirage]

[devout geyser]

"even the largest spenders dont have more than 9 6 stars and most of those are pvp units" I actually have over 9 6 stars, all pve units bc theyre required to clear. Inferno is still awful. I'm clearing, but it's not fun and I will quit soon if it's not fixed. Just a large spender chiming in.

[thin crystal]

Hahaha again, Sheesh that horse do be high

[arctic plover]

hell 4 is a lot faster, if there is no difference make sure to screenshot your 10x runs in 2 days

[lilac lotus]

I 100% agree need to lower the difficulty like 5-10% not back to beta which is like 90% reduced

[grand roost]

oh so you only need full decked out mythic gear with triple perfect substats to farm gear seems reasonable

[foggy mirage]

ngl, i can wait til the 2x event as ppl will likely figure out things and build teams not including lily or ssania

the problem is that book icon system

[devout geyser]

Most clears need to be done manually, there is no time to actually enjoy the game. it is legit miserable. And beta was a blast. Was able to have energy burning / farming in the background and actually pvp.

[foggy mirage]

recent clear times and fastest clears shouldnt be the only one there

[arctic plover]

they should have a tab for auto

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-lets-drink-cheers-wine-toast-gif-17513769

here's to hoping this flash update will nerf inferno

[foggy mirage]

let us atleast filter out a character

[arctic plover]

probably a pvp bugfix for the immortal holden

[grand roost]

exactly this, like 90% of clears are even on manual, who the fuck is doing 100 runs on manual everyday, what is this? this is not a gacha game at this point

[lilac lotus]

agreed i hope they do make changes I really do, I just do not want massive drastic changes

[charred minnow]

dw it's just others are too frustrated right now to not understand you're advocating for a healthy middleground, I share the same opinion as you

[lilac lotus]

no they see "spender" and someone enjoying the game and they hate it, i get that

[devout geyser]

I mean massive drastic changes are what they did from beta->live. At least people were happy and having fun in the beta.

[thin crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/donut-glaze-satisfying-gif-13180530

[tardy ridge]

well from reading what you've said

[charred minnow]

the amount of weeks I've been farming W12 vs W13 in E7 is too damn unreal

[lilac lotus]

Only pvp was fun from that

[grand roost]

so what if i can manual most things, theres 100 runs of this everyday with a penalty on top which can easily happen cause of rng , what are even yapping about here its crazy beyond belief

[upbeat breach]

they should just remove every single non auto clear from that list

[tardy ridge]

the 1 egregious thing was saying perfect gear to farm the last farming stage 💀

[lilac lotus]

the pve was boring asf @devout geyser

[arctic plover]

no shit it was boring with shadow sania

[tardy ridge]

let us go farm hell 4 for a year with that mindset

[frigid dune]

The problem here is that If they don't expect clears this fast they should have nerfed DOTs to the ground. It's not normal when one team allows you to farm several inferno stages with subpar resources and all other teams require high investment and specific compositions. It means the game is not balanced right.

Especially for PvP first game... That should have been f2p friendly.

[lilac lotus]

I am saying bare minimum you should have decent gear, not just random maxed mythic pieces

[finite palm]

So excited for the flash patch, hope they finally nerf revelation, SSania and Lily

[arctic plover]

think if you didn't use her your perception would have been different

[thin crystal]

No way, you don't have perfect gearset yet?! Have you been playing the game like at ll???

[charred minnow]

it's called a cheese team, get over it

[upbeat breach]

They somehow all the changes from beta to live made it more sufferable, but they have yet to fix the bullshit fights from beta

[devout geyser]

Well this is marketed as a pvp focused game. If people wanted pve theyd go play HSR or any of the other pve focused gachas that have significantly better pve than this. The pve in a game like this is there to gear your units for pvp.

[distant wedge]

we just need now inferno 1 2 3 4 and one final stage that doesnt unlock until lvl80 or 90

[tardy ridge]

i get that but ive pumped like over 200 runs and have like 10 total 3 slotters and all unuseable

[frigid dune]

Such a smart and polite young man. Cleary fit for polite and intellectual discussion.

[tardy ridge]

🥀

[charred minnow]

imagine telling someone to leave because they enjoy the challenging PvE in a PvPvE game ;-;

[frigid dune]

This

[devout geyser]

I never told anyone to leave please dont put words in my mouth lmao

[upbeat breach]

Problem is having to build and skill up a lot of pve units because it is impossible to farm content without doing that. Meanwhile we cant touch pvp units

[grand roost]

nobody has anythign against challenging pve, but put it where its adequate not in the farm stages for basic gear wtf

[lilac lotus]

Summoners war is the biggest pvp game and its got the most thrilling pve out of any of them

They have ancient gear (the true end game gear) and those dungeons are so god damn had 60% of the population didnt have working teams full auto for months after the ancient gear was released

[arctic plover]

there is plenty of challenging pve in ember trek, anysinc and rally.

Leave it there.

[thin crystal]

Don't worry he's a spender so he doesn't have to deal with all the bs of running out of coins

[lilac lotus]

we have the same amount of rcs as you

[upbeat breach]

Exactly, there are 3 endgame pve contents, why in the hell it would be the same for inferno content, that everything is completly gated on pulls.

[lilac lotus]

only thing we have more of is lattices and units

My gold still at 0 just like you

[thin crystal]

How out of touch are you, look at the packs

[frigid dune]

I am a spender, I have problem with endgame difficulty, lol. A lot of problems.

[lilac lotus]

those packs let you max one piece

litterally 1

[upbeat breach]

The thing is that the contents are locked behind units and by having the units you can just cheese everything.

[charred minnow]

imagine wasting money and not clearing, have to spend more

[thin crystal]

And for some reason this thenya guy doesn't and tells people to quit if they don't build 20 units to farm inferno

[lilac lotus]

me too, im a little over 4k deep and this shit is hard, Ive asked for a nerf, just please dont go back to beta level thats it

[thin crystal]

With perfect modules too btw

My god how out of touch can a guy be

[upbeat breach]

Dont need to be easy mode, but dont need to be bullshit mode either

[frigid dune]

I would go to beta levels for now before they realize how to balance it properly. : ]

[grand roost]

50% nerf on all inferno hp and dmg, reduce all ramp up effects as well and we gucci

[arctic plover]

the reason you had esy time in beta isn't because beta was easy, it's because you had shadow sania

use sania now it would also be "easy"

[lilac lotus]

id rather them go about 75% weaker then they currently are and then in a week if its still to hard nerf it again

[charred minnow]

just make an Inferno I and II, I being beta difficulty or close to and II being the difficulty now II will have better drop rates, and then we wait for people to complain they can't do Inferno II

[upbeat breach]

Between beta levels and the bullshit that we have now I would take beta levels any day. I have no idea how anyone that is not try harding the game will stick

[frigid dune]

Like the problem is that the game reeks of "I have created a nice base for the game but I don't know how to operate it properly" smell.

[frozen stone]

You don’t need 20 those people are not complaining because of they have lily and shadow Saina

[distant wedge]

need inferno 1 2 3 4 and then ancient stage the last one that unlock at lvl90

[frozen stone]

From there they can farm inferno and build their other units

[distant wedge]

[frozen stone]

So they are chilling

[lilac lotus]

im not using sania

[upbeat breach]

It is all about retention of players, they cant keep the game running for 100 players....

[charred minnow]

ancient stage drops 3x matrix with perfect stats right

[frigid dune]

My main point of concern are cheese teams and headstart they get against others, but I get your point.

[frozen stone]

Do you use lily?

[grand roost]

its simple, if people cant auto their farmstages by 2x and beyond that theyll quit, only 100 manual runs a day people, or cheese exploiters will prevail thats that

[frigid dune]

Also, I would nerf damage in bosses, not hp. : ]

[distant wedge]

only 3x matrix and only 3-4 substats but still can drop flat stats on right side gears

[charred minnow]

no news on the flash update?

#official-news #announcement

[tardy ridge]

expecting any news ever from them is crazy

😭

they hate giving us any bones

[abstract pier]

solution is easy: give everyone shadow Sania, nerf dots a bit, so it takes longer to clear. People can then farm gear to replace Sania with a DPS for faster clears

[lilac lotus]

but whales will always have an advantage and a head start, look at the anysic rewards that i get before you, and the ember track (almost 4 gold lattices, 2-5k gems - multitudes of energy etc), the gear is honestly the least important rcs spenders get before you since, Hell4 drops the same gear (all but 1 piece) that you get

[finite palm]

Revelation bugfixed to 40% proc chance

[charred minnow]

pls

[arctic plover]

my bet is that it's the holden bug

[winged ocean]

on one side the difficulty in inferno is overtuned
on the other side if you could just clear all inferno content with decently invested massiah all units that shine in pve would be useless, and people would only be building the top pvp units

[arctic plover]

because it's actually gamebreaking

[lilac lotus]

patch hopefully fixed the amber invincibility

[charred minnow]

nice

[tiny sage]

Flash update was for 2. Fixed skill display errors for certain Boss nodes and Anomaly in [United Front] (Vice Captains not being able to remove people and Probably the Wrong Text on Tooltips.)

[charred minnow]

time to keep abusing amber

[lilac lotus]

rip

[charred minnow]

[tiny sage]

they just found out about the amber invincibility so i would expect that one in the next update

[charred minnow]

I don't have an amber build hehe

[lilac lotus]

@frigid dune i know players are complaining about inferno difficulty But this this is horrendous

This stupid ass boss is not even remotely ok

[arctic plover]

nah, keep it that way. A bit too rng but if we have hard place for pve enjoyers -- that's where it should be

[runic urchin]

just use Diting

[lilac lotus]

Ive beat it XD

[frigid dune]

I am not there yet.

I went in following beta tierlists and hit a lot of problems around hell4.

[tiny sage]

Hard Disagree Beta Difficulty is 100x better then what we have now

[lilac lotus]

and we differ here thats fine

I want somewhere smack in the middle

not the shit we have no

now*'

but not beta

[frigid dune]

I am slowly rebuilding for current hell4 meta and trying to prepare myself for inferno but it will take ages, lol

[tiny sage]

Im probably 20% less then you for a good middle ground I think the difficulty should be in ethernet and embertrek not farming stages

[lilac lotus]

but while we have this now we might aswell focus on how to build other units as the devs already know we dont like the current difficulty

[frozen stone]

Unlikely you didn’t pull 2 apex characters to farm it

Difficulty is fine with them

[frigid dune]

I rerolled for Lily, did 33 rerolls. : ]

[pseudo cloak]

make inferno easier and add Inferno 2 which is even harder 😎

[lilac lotus]

My gripe @tiny sage is the devs know it needs a nerf, so i just want the constant complaining to stop, id rather we spend this time trying to find F2P alternatives

[frigid dune]

But SSania - yeah, she evades me like no one.

[lilac lotus]

and every time i try to come in here an offer alternatives they say "oh but sania better stop talking"

[charred minnow]

they should release a targeted apex banner

[arctic plover]

every pre live content is obsolete.

Which is another weird thing about this. They have invited people to teh CC server to make videos and guides on the progression.

And every single one of them was obsolete at the time of recording.

And all these changes also were stealthed! If they stated the hp increase in the patchnotes people would have immediately, and rightfully objected to it.

ANd they knew they would so tried to hide it. Maybe with the intention to do half-measures as mr. Thenya suggests instead of a complete reversion.

If we are being fucked I think being fucked only on mondays and fridays is not an ideal alternative.

[tiny sage]

[devout geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j9XQcypEt0

even zeebo calling for nerfs

[charred minnow]

Etheria:LilyRestart

[frozen stone]

Or they shouldn’t make apex characters needed to farm gears and shills

Good luck on 21th

[white veldt]

its a great strategy, one where they nerf inferno and then you can clear it

4D Chess, get on our level

[lilac lotus]

im also calling for nerfs, and they know they need nerfs, but we dont need to keep screaming game bad eos, cause that will turn new players away and will actually kill the game

[tardy ridge]

i guess bro got sick of hitting the book icon to make videos about 😭

[frigid dune]

Yeah, another thing I didn't like. : ]

[charred minnow]

the one can coexist with the other

[frigid dune]

The developers are really bad at communicating and operating the game, though. And we are no where near the Asian level of drama when developers are doing something stupid.

I would expect more drama, to be honest.

[devout geyser]

I mean the game's content is what is going to drive players away right now. Not people talking about how bad it is. If they don't want people talking about how bad it is, make it better. Shouldn't do heavy handed adjustments without any form of testing right before you launch a game.

[lilac lotus]

See Id love better mechanics in shell dungeons, If for instance you kill a nico nana minion, she goes into shutdown for 3 turns,

Leave the damage nico does the same, but gives us a way to have a break or dps phase during the run

[frigid dune]

Most people don't read discord : ]

[frigid dune]

I like your ideas, tbh.

If only we would have more resources so that we could actually build several teams. : ]

[white veldt]

if they ever touch diting im gonna grab a bowl of popcorn

[lilac lotus]

I know the swing to the current difficulty was bad, but so many people asked for increased difficulty, those that had access to each beta would know the difficulty increased every time and quite largely

[distant wedge]

they ll touch him in a few months

[arctic plover]

yeah, imagine if we had a beta to test all those ideas

[white veldt]

imagine if we had a beta test and we used that to refine stuff

instead of making changes just before release-

[tiny sage]

Did they?

[devout geyser]

And there's been a lot of feedback that the last beta was enjoyable and felt about right. I haven't seen a single person say that it should have been increased from beta -> live.

[arctic plover]

yeah, are these people in the room with us. or are they in your little guild chat

[lilac lotus]

funny that most players dont ever visit the main discord

[thin crystal]

One could only imagine

[devout geyser]

Where were they giving the feedback then?

[thin crystal]

Through thenya's dm

[lilac lotus]

I assume they send it directly to the devs via the feedback forms

[untold zephyr]

They’ve known since beta

[lilac lotus]

You know those things they ask players to fill out after each round of a beta?

[untold zephyr]

People in the top 16 for placements abused it lol

[thin crystal]

I assume you have access to every players input hence why you know of this

[devout geyser]

So we're assuming now that people wanted difficulty increases. Despite all of these actual feedback threads saying otherwise? 🤨

[untold zephyr]

Not all just 2 that we have video of

[charred minnow]

didn't know Forgetfulness debuff from Celince is considered a control effect

[lilac lotus]

clearly they didnt buff the dungeons purely on their own whim

must have been based on some sort of player feedback

[white veldt]

Amber invincibility?

[tiny sage]

[charred minnow]

it's not a cc/root/whatever

[thin crystal]

Oh is it really clear? I'm a little slow, mind explaining

[devout geyser]

Really? Because they seem to be getting a LOT of feedback right now and I don't see them listening. I think it's more likely that inflated difficulty = more people feeling they need to spend.

[white veldt]

starting to think they buffed dungeons because they didnt want us to clear this fast, not because people asked for it

idk not very clear to me

[tiny sage]

That is the Cynical way of looking at it. and the Major Changes hit all the low investment low spend optiosn

[lilac lotus]

its much harder to fix post a game going live you know that right? They also have so many issues right now PVE difficulty is the last of it

[tiny sage]

[devout geyser]

If only they had 4 betas and could have gone with the last one that people spent on.

[thin crystal]

Maybe they don't know that, we're not as smart as u sir

[tiny sage]

Thank god Victor was so OP in beta that Diting Dodge the ban hammer

[lilac lotus]

Like did you even know spenders are being double charged for purchases right now, and the process to get those double charges back had to be done 1 at a time

[tiny sage]

Yep

[frigid dune]

And then forgot to actually beef cheese teams hence the drama.

If no one would be able to clear it there would be no problems. : ]

[tiny sage]

They didn't buff cheese teams its just that %HP doesn't care if you inflate the boss hp 2.5x

[lilac lotus]

Ok so give them time to fix the game, Id expect by end of next week we will have PVE changes occur, if not by the end of the month at the latest, its not like they can just instantly change entire boss mechanics in a day

[white veldt]

thats a bit long-

[thin crystal]

Or hear me out here, by the end of the year yea?

[tiny sage]

Reduce Boss HP and Damage by 50%

[devout geyser]

They could at the very least make a statement though considering that was their "promise" after all the previous drama.

[tiny sage]

[frigid dune]

We have double energy event this weekend...

[white veldt]

end of the decade

[thin crystal]

Nah that's too fast, end of century

[lilac lotus]

Oh id love a statement by them really would like to know where they sit

[white veldt]

end of millenia m8

[uncut mica]

next week is when the next scheduled patch is with, likely, Yeli for the 26th. any bigger changes would happen then at the earliest

[grand roost]

i think it will be irrelevant for most people after the 2x unless they announce a 2x again next week, why would anyone put up with this in a pvp game, unless they dont care about competing at all

[frozen stone]

Yeah assuming master here
Maybe that’s why they didn’t give 2x event until people complained

[lilac lotus]

It might be a bit long but unfortunately everytime this company does something rashley they do it wrong, id love them to take a minute and actually assess what they are doing.. IDK but we are 3/3 with them fking up

[frozen stone]

I wonder why they did those 2 things

[thin crystal]

He should rename to CLS Assumed

[tiny sage]

not really when the react to player feedback they normally do it well. but the more time they waste the worse it looks.

[lilac lotus]

not one of their reactions have been good?

[white veldt]

2x event this weekend is why people are extra mad about this being such an advantage for lily & ssania havers

[tiny sage]

They gave a Reset Option they gave a 2x

[devout geyser]

They reacted to player feedback well during beta. They've felt a lot different since the game launched and idk why. They seem reluctant to give the players anything.

[charred minnow]

this gon be such a mess can't wait

[tiny sage]

They probably salty about the bad press RTA Dupe Drama Caused.

[grand roost]

if you call this doing well in terms of customer reception and service, then i have no idea what hellholes you have been in but im sorry

[lilac lotus]

That wasnt a fix, that was just another bandaid (and it cost gems, should have been free)

[frigid dune]

I am not happy with any of em, tbh

[devout geyser]

Well the best way to combat bad press is to cater to your players, not abuse them and ignore them lolol

[arctic plover]

revert to beta levels, what is this anchoring.
||https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_effect||

If you are getting anchored you can not accept the half-measures.

[charred minnow]

most were pretty shit ngl

[grand roost]

lol wow they gave the thing that should be completely free after every big balance change and the thing they teased in the beta to bait people into playing around it, theyre giving a lot here

[lilac lotus]

No its to take a minute come up with a plan and communicate it to the public so these issues dont crop up again, doing quick fixes only cause a leak somewhere else

[frigid dune]

Wow, we can agree on something

[charred minnow]

I think we agree on more than you think

I just like to troll around now and then

[lilac lotus]

yea only like 2 or 3 people in here dont have common ground

[thin crystal]

He's just parroting what tanya said

[devout geyser]

I would agree with that if they hadn't implemented multiple quick fixes already that were not to the benefit of the player.

[tiny sage]

Oh they ain't doing well. But the few times they have caved to players has been better then their changes they implemented without public feedback.

[charred minnow]

maybe just maybe look up my msg history if you want to assume things 🙂

[lilac lotus]

all of them screemed "shut up", and not we actually want to fix the issues

[timber mica]

Anyone with SSAnia but no lily pls share auto teams for inferno mode (except dokidoki, got it down ) 😇 pls. especially niconana inferno

[frigid dune]

Same, to be honest. My daily 1k energy was spent on hell Nico in search of good shells for supports. Each level takes roughly 15 seconds so I have nothing to do anymore, lol

[grand roost]

i think the main problem is that this company doesnt understand how important this 2x event is, they just handle it like its shell story or some shit, they have created their own huge problem especially since its uncapped

[lilac lotus]

Bit hard for Nico Nana due to the not being any other unit other than lilly that is good and gives SPD up, but check the pins theres a rosa team withou tit

[tardy ridge]

allegedly they nerfed kurur in rally

[lilac lotus]

rest of the dungeons have Non lily options

[frigid dune]

Hoyan debacle wasn't addressed and she still has wrong text in skills

[tiny sage]

based if tru

[charred minnow]

I won't care if they revert it back to beta difficulty, but I would like it to have some difficulty idk, for me it's still a PvPvE game but I disagree hard with how they buffed the bosses, the mechanics are boring AF, tune down the speed of the arms in Inferno Terror, make the dmg reduction be gone for 3 or even 4 turns in Inferno DokiDoki, Aurora is one of the only I don't mind that much maybe make the curse shield require a bit less healing

Make Shell bosses be able to use 5 team members instead of 4 -> would be an immediate fix in most cases

[white veldt]

remember that "theres a non ssania/lily alternative" comes with the little side effect of requiring much much higher investment than dropping 4 golden tofus into ssania

[arctic plover]

tsuki kind of works, she is on-element too, so in a rosa team has easier time critting

[lilac lotus]

theres this one

[white veldt]

whos this for, I have these-

[lilac lotus]

Nico

[arctic plover]

either tsuki mio or lily is very welcome, need a spd buffer that does smth else besides the buff

[white veldt]

can just ssania nico tho, so nvm

[lilac lotus]

and that same team from HSG can be run with DOKI instead

[thin crystal]

Way less stat investment too

So why even bother

[lilac lotus]

lots of Doki teams coming out of china

[arctic plover]

on paper red kazuyo can work, but nobody is going to build red kazuyo for one fight which is kind of the problem

[white veldt]

my ssania has 4 golden tofus and my rosa is about to get her 5th-8th cob of lettuce so like, either way im fine tbf but yeah, ssania team is much easier

[frozen stone]

Maybe check the gears

[tardy ridge]

she works for terror so its 2 at least

[finite palm]

I started building her to do the great wall of china strat on terror

[frozen stone]

And see if they have inferno gears and shills

Before posting

[lilac lotus]

they do not,

[scarlet quartz]

I don't see why we want any difficulty higher than it was in the beta in these daily repetition pve modes that are just a means to an end for gear. Beta was perfectly fine, you still had to use units that respect the mechanic of the fight and that was that.
They already have so many other outlets for PvE difficulty if they like that aspect of their game

[white veldt]

check notes
yeah I just built Viper for a single fight

[frozen stone]

Oh I remember I saw one of the shills is inferno

Maybe I’m hallucinating

[arctic plover]

viper isn't kazuyo, viper works in pvp too

and aurora

[white veldt]

god knows I aint using him in pvp

[charred minnow]

speaking for me personally I just enjoy the higher difficulty, but I understand that others don't that's all

[white veldt]

i made him for aurora and thats his only purpose

[arctic plover]

fair

[hazy plover]

Honestly yeah. I'm fine with difficulty for the refreshing modes. Because those are actual endgame and should have a test of set-ups/gear, but farm content to gear? this shit is ridiculous and will absolutely kill the game

[frigid dune]

Doki is kinda balanced. Too hard in my opinion, but we have several teams with roughly same level of investment so I am kinda fine

[white veldt]

ill very happily build an sr to 5 star lvl 45 if it helps me clear an inferno

[lilac lotus]

no i meant clears using doki (the unit)

[grand roost]

nobody cares about hard pve content in the endgame but only in certain prestige modes not in the basic gear farm stages

[lilac lotus]

not doki the dungeon

[white veldt]

any Rosa?

I dont have rilmocha nor massiah or xiada
(well I have xiada but shes lvl 1)

oh

:(

I dont have dokidoki, its not very okidoki

[frigid dune]

Ah, second unit that evades me : ]

[lilac lotus]

Yea there was a ROSA team that completed Doki in vc last night

[arctic plover]

my issue is that in this case "meeting in the middle" isn't having inferno be at half of the beta level.

it's to have inferno at beta level and release inferno 2 at half of teh beta level unlocked at lvl65, and inferno 3 with the current buffs unlocked at 70.

That would be something everyone could get behind with, right?

So wouldn't be better if we don't roll out the carpet for the content to still be overtuned for no reason.

[abstract pier]

people keep saying Doki dungeon is not hard, which is crazy. Might not be as ridiculous as terror. but still you need either a crazy rilmocha or xiada with revelation

[lilac lotus]

was 5/5/5 @white veldt

[devout geyser]

If you check pinned comments there are some. Main thing you need is revelation shell for her.

[frigid dune]

Sometimes I see new team, check gear and see inferno one... Makes me sad

[abstract pier]

alos not alot of options

[white veldt]

im guessing

Rosa - Lily - Valerian - Mio/Kazuya - Freya or 2nd healer

[lilac lotus]

Nope Messiah, Rilmocha, xiada, Roas, Tiamat can all clear inferno

[charred minnow]

100% agree it would be a HELL of a lot better if they did it this way

[azure tundra]

no you dont.

[frigid dune]

I saw Rosa and Mass clearing it

[distant wedge]

but then people will complain again inferno 3 beeing to hard?

[abstract pier]

maunal clears

[distant wedge]

[abstract pier]

not reliable auto

[white veldt]

inferno 3 wouldnt gatekeep any content though

[lilac lotus]

I would love this but yea people would complain as soon as they couldnt beat inferno 3, but I do much prefer this as an option

[graceful juniper]

No...you need a consistent CC and decent dps

[frigid dune]

I started farming Doki that way. It's an option at least

[azure tundra]

bro just use count on rilmocha and codex on the cc units and debuffers

[charred minnow]

could've even be that during the first Inferno stage the inferno set drops are low af, and increases the higher you go, or it could guarantee more substat drops as in instead of getting 2 substats, inferno 3 would guarantee 4 substants, inferno 2 would guarantee 3 substats, inferno 1 is just normal

[white veldt]

getting mine to 1/5/5 soon, though my lily is also 1/1/1 rn

[arctic plover]

no they will not nearly as much as they could farm the triple matrix gear for it.

In fact if inferno just had better droprate but the same sets as hell the complaints would be a lot less loud as people would still see an avenue of progression.

[azure tundra]

its genuinely an easy dungeon

[lilac lotus]

yup essentially

[azure tundra]

terror is the demon of the game lets not pretend doki is even half the stress of terror theorycrafting XDDD

[distant wedge]

we need another stage after inferno 3 with 2 new sets, that unlocks at lvl95

[lilac lotus]

see funny enough i like most of your ideas

[charred minnow]

with triple matrix you mean 3x matrix or the inferno matrix set?

[white veldt]

you mean ssania beep bop he's dead guy?

[charred minnow]

because I be getting a lot of triple matrix drops from hell iv

[white veldt]

hand them over

im confiscating those

[charred minnow]

[finite palm]

Yeah right now it kinda feels like you need the inferno gear to be able to clear inferno stages

[frigid dune]

To be fair, even Hell3 allows you to build 12/12 characters

[distant wedge]

and this stage will only drop 3 matrix sets and with 3-4 substats, do guys like it?

[devout geyser]

That's one of my main issues with inferno, is you sweat your ass off trying to prog through it and then you end up with basically the same gear as Hell4 unless you get giga lucky

[charred minnow]

but that's what I've been saying

I can clear inferno fine af

but I cba doing manual runs

or less % winrate runs

[devout geyser]

Yep same here

It legit pisses me off lol

[grand roost]

the main problem is the amount of time you have to put into it and penalty for not having 100% winrates, you cant expect people to run 100 5 min manual runs

[frigid dune]

Problem is, you need right substats on those 12/12 sets. They require money. And you need speed and crit damage on shells. They also require money.

[charred minnow]

but that's not to say I defend the difficulty right now

[scarlet quartz]

It is cause the mode is meant to be auto'd by design

[tropic ridge]

i do 10 runs of niconana get 9 yellow shells

[devout geyser]

manual battling a whole inferno run and getting a yellow shell or 2node piece

[scarlet quartz]

is the issue

[tiny sage]

With Current Difficulty the reward floor should be 3 matrix and 1.5x times the base rewards (and in shells no epics)

[frigid dune]

And then your hell4 team can't clear inferno and you have a problem

[tiny sage]

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/relax-gif-26152749

[arctic plover]

I understand that you enjoy hard pve. Similarly there are some elements of teh game I like (scarse resources) that many people don't.

But I think that perhaps unintentionally your arguments provide the background for bad changes.

We know that developers intentionally made inferno this overtuned, and you know it should be nerfed. It's reasonable to assume that they will try to keep it as overtune as they can get away with.

If you truly understand that it's overtuned then you should also understand that the only reason they even think of fixing it is the outcry. So any attempt to soften the outcry is not productive and leaves more room for the devs to keep it being overtuned.

[uncut mica]

any hypothetical inferno 2 or 3 would remove the 2 pip modules or the 2 substat modules from the drop pool so you would be at the exact same thing as you are now where people complain they can't minimum investment farm the hardest difficulty immediately because it's less efficient stamina usage.

[charred minnow]

got 3 more just now

[white veldt]

hp%, def, effect res, crit rate

[charred minnow]

[white veldt]

also stop doing modules lmao

just keep that stamina for 2 days

[charred minnow]

I do what I want