inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[tardy ridge]

games cooked

[scarlet quartz]

Issue is diting is never killing inferno niconana

[tardy ridge]

try again in a month

ik but its all they got

[thick arch]

-1 artisan 😭 (I'm hardstuck in hell)

[scarlet quartz]

Fangus lowkey better there

[hidden nexus]

gate keeped because not have the characters nice idea!! devs

[tardy ridge]

i dont even see a fangus in the box bro

😭

[scarlet quartz]

with fangus and maxed team i see a world where he clears when fangus dual attacks on every single hit

[hidden nexus]

i got unlucky

[scarlet quartz]

just takes a few resets im sure

[tardy ridge]

its sad because you have the units required for the mechanics but cant kill the boss

🤡

[scarlet quartz]

I remember hitting 50 and hitting niconana with diting s3 with defbreak slow and speed up buff

[hidden nexus]

devs did a good job as i can see

[thick arch]

gets yellow shell after 5 hours

[scarlet quartz]

LMAO

[tardy ridge]

W devs

[arctic plover]

no, technically you are not gatekept, just build these 4 units oneguy has used on another server that you can find in pinned messages. The reason they were pinned is that they were in the clear list for 6 seconds before being drowned by shadow sanias so they had to be screenshotted.

Make sure to have full mythic gear, and who knows what is even the winrate, might have been manualled. Make sure yo reset every time your kloss doesn't land all her debuffs and freya manages to push everyone back desptie being at element disadvantage.

But it's doable! SO you are not gatekept, let's just search for solution instead of "dooming". Don't doom here.

[hidden nexus]

w?

[arctic plover]

they are ironic

[tardy ridge]

twas a joke

[hidden nexus]

this one?

[thick arch]

NGL since I'm stuck rn and I don't have d chaki or kloss or lily or sania or all these other posted teams. I will use this s1 acc that probably the events expired already but still clear inferno a month before my main

[tardy ridge]

gl 👍

[arctic plover]

I am playing on an alt for the similar reason

in 2 months it will be better than whatever I have done

[thick arch]

it's already 200 deep. got 2 kloss dupes

[tardy ridge]

you might as well reroll instead

[hidden nexus]

i would lose alot time doing that

at least 14 days

[arctic plover]

yeah, reroll in chaos zero nightmare

[thick arch]

yes that's why I didn't use it

[warped kestrel]

This actually brought me to tears. I almost choked.

[thick arch]

I'm saving tix rn on main hoping for a broken banner next one

Only did 300 pulls

[arctic plover]

you know some predatory companies create a problems and sell a solution.

XD is not like that, they create a problem and then don't sell the solution so you have to get it randomly.

it's very player friendly, in a way

[scarlet quartz]

true over here whales and f2ps can get progression locked the same!

man i do love XD...

[thick arch]

well they need to powercreep lily and ssania somehow so they can milk whales

[cold glen]

Does ssania need s1 maxed?

To clear the content

[scarlet quartz]

it helps and makes it more consistent

surely that piss broken unit functions without it too

no hate

[arctic plover]

who knew lily would be so crucial. We had no idea in beta, after the powerhouses like turandot and no.41 were nerfed it was a brand new world.

[hidden nexus]

they shoud nerf tham and fuck it

[scarlet quartz]

actually the solution here is to nerf lily and ssania

so everyone is just fucked for fun

[cold glen]

Hmm ok I'll need 4 gold skillups

[arctic plover]

Etheria: Restart: Restart

[scarlet quartz]

LMAO

[cold glen]

Didn't they already nerf ssania? No more dot for aurora

[scarlet quartz]

nerf her again

fuck it just delete her no compensation

[carmine palm]

cut boss hp in half = ssania 50% less effective, everyone else 100% more effective

[thick arch]

Imagine a -1,000,000 stamina from loss achievement

[scarlet quartz]

LMAO

[warped kestrel]

I made the terrible mistake of keeping my first account because it got Mio and DokiDoki. Had I known how ridiculously overpowered and borderline necessary Lily is, I would have rerolled for a Lily at any cost

[arctic plover]

Dear hyperlinkers, we have found an issue with players dealing an abnormal damage causing their enemies to die.

[scarlet quartz]

can we talk about the victor nerfs too btw

not even victor would help us here

[hidden nexus]

trueeee

[arctic plover]

I have rerolled and got lily. It was on a wrong server so I had to restart to play with my guild.

[cold glen]

Doki Doki is actually really useful too

Just not used as often ATM

Give her double CDR gear/shell and she goes brrrrrrrr

[warped kestrel]

Yeah, I have no complaints about my Mio or DokiDoki, I like them, but Lily would make the game such a breeze that I would change both for her

[arctic plover]

funnily enough, victor deals less damage than diting even prenerf

[scarlet quartz]

maybe he would've lived 2 niconana attacks tho

or 1 if, god forbid, u miss a speed down

[arctic plover]

good call, perfectly hp tune your victor so the virst attack gets him to 1hp

[tardy ridge]

better than wasting your time rerolling for the cope that was heinrich at least

[scarlet quartz]

that's a reasonable solution XD would've liked to see here

[arctic plover]

heinrich sucks

[scarlet quartz]

kinda too real

[arctic plover]

zdps without revelation

and his ult isn't even synced with revelation

[scarlet quartz]

with lily it is

just main dps hein

maybe that is the key piece of tech the devs are waiting for us to find

[arctic plover]

true I forgor everyone gets lily in the mail if you dickride the devs in discord

brb log into my alt

to do the daily it's a marathon not a race comment

need to do 7 more to get paid in hydra crystals

[carmine palm]

funny how many streamers got lily or ssania this week

[tardy ridge]

need those marathon comments

[cold glen]

how'd u know?!

[tardy ridge]

and the skill issue gifs as they are using lily sania

[scarlet quartz]

you are not supposed to be able to clear inferno within a week of playing! (if u dont have lily and ssania)

The pve is supposed to be an achievment in this pvp focused gacha game

[arctic plover]

what other games allows to farm gear so early? ||literally every other|| don't compare to the modern games from 2025, compare to the Black Death in Florence in 1340.

Wait, brb, I need to requeue my terrormaton 10 runs

[warped kestrel]

Considering that we've been max refreshing every day since launch, our progress is closer to a month or more, unless you're expected to just max refresh per game design.

[scarlet quartz]

You guys just want it easy! back when summoner's war released we had a whole different struggle!

[gilded mirage]

Meh Hell IV and Inferno drops are literally the same aside from rare drops that are new.

[arctic plover]

back when chess released we didn't even have a PC!

[scarlet quartz]

stop right there

this cannot go well for you

we just move on and pretend u never typed

[gilded mirage]

Lmao, it's the truth though

[scarlet quartz]

true

[tardy ridge]

another person

[scarlet quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279939366684332042/1326991857972019211/attachment.gif

[arctic plover]

nightmare 1 and hell 4 are literally the same aside from having different drops

[tardy ridge]

im unlucky so it doesnt matter that you are farming hell 4

😭

[carmine palm]

Max refreshing is only $11.32 after first time bonuses run out, of course everyone should be max refreshing forever.

[gilded mirage]

Rare drops. You barely lose any efficiency doing Hell IV over Terror. It's not the end of the world lmao. Maybe if the new stuff had a decente drop rate

[scarlet quartz]

guys

DO NOT FALL FOR IT

[gilded mirage]

Everyone thinks they'll be rolling in the new sets after 2-3 days of Inferno max refreshing

[scarlet quartz]

stay strong

[tardy ridge]

they were spamming ts yesterday

[ornate moth]

what "work", 5 starring an unbalanced shadow sania and using 3 other characters you already have built? 😭

[scarlet quartz]

homie was scrolled way up

i respect it

[gilded mirage]

Truth hurts but I guess people who can't farm inferno dont understand how little the increased progress is

[tardy ridge]

it can be true all you want

but its not the same

[scarlet quartz]

John

[tardy ridge]

you just have to be trolling for fun

[scarlet quartz]

stay strong brother

i dont want to lose you

[gilded mirage]

I'll be building Cachi for for Sharon Inferno though

[tardy ridge]

🥀

[arctic plover]

they had to perform a demon summoning ritual to get her on a 10 pull.

Do you even know how hard is it to find a taproot grown under the eclipsed moonlight these days?

[scarlet quartz]

LMFAO

[tardy ridge]

why would you invest in a unit just farm hell

lol

[scarlet quartz]

yeah you should save yourself the mats

Wait fuck

now u done it john

i got pulled into it too

[tardy ridge]

you just have to go with it

[scarlet quartz]

[arctic plover]

farm investigation to get pulls so you get shadow sania

trrrust

[tardy ridge]

like i have lily and sania but im not gonna sit here and cope

and say everything is fine

[gilded mirage]

True double event strat

[ornate moth]

lol I saw a mention and skimmed thru to see if I missed anything

but tl;dr

[tardy ridge]

insane strat

surely we hit 🥀

[scarlet quartz]

nothing can be missed here

we are just coping through the missery

with the occasional paid off XD alt account to tell us we are dooming

[ornate moth]

this is hilarious and real

I hope this will be me soon once I finish the objectives

[scarlet quartz]

surely

[ornate moth]

https://tenor.com/view/later-losers-later-losers-im-out-good-bye-gif-5003473

me when I totally get shadow sania and not another helkid dupe

[tardy ridge]

why doom just use your lily sania?

[scarlet quartz]

helkid is really good for terror u dont need ssania - prydwen

[loud locust]

god forbid we try and help players until the devs figure out a solution????

seriously stop coming to this thread to just be petty and doom

[tardy ridge]

pretty sure hellkid is good with cachi

not the end of the world tbh

[loud locust]

it’s not helpful to anyone and devs are well aware of the situation now

[tardy ridge]

mia is another unit flying under the radar

nobody even mentions her even tho shes op af

[scarlet quartz]

I'd dare say hyperinvesting into units for a comp with an unreliable clear for pve content that has to be fixed at a base level

[ornate moth]

I do enjoy the theory crafting and sharing weird creative solutions to the current unbalanced state. But tbh I can also see how someone would come see some 5 minute manual clear of inferno terror with 4 artisans and a maxed out cachi the guard & kazami kazuyo and be like
"wtf is this"

[scarlet quartz]

isnt very helpful either

[fallen rune]

I think Mia is gonna be my targeted since I struck out on the 14 day ssr

I really want Helkid but what I want and what I need to clear Inferno do not align 😛

[ornate moth]

and yeah even if decent solutions are found without ssania, I agree it feels bad to basically waste resources building 4-5+ niche units that won't be useful in PVP just to make up for a lack of shadow sania

[scarlet quartz]

surely telling people to put lattices into suboptimal units to climb an insurmountable wall isnt the play with them being so limited

[loud locust]

agreed with both of yall but it’s better than nothing and to be so petty towards me for just trying to help

[arctic plover]

yes,if anything all those "solutions" actively hurt players who would try to implement them without knowing the context that they exist only to pretend the problem isn't there

[scarlet quartz]

well you have to understand you are basically the only input we are getting from XD right now

[loud locust]

when ive done nothing but routinely report the situation to developers and have said it many times

[gilded mirage]

Tbf Cachi is used in Inferno Sharon too so there's that

[arctic plover]

if anyone genuinely takes any of those teams and tries to assemble them it is very likely that they will achieve nothing besides setting themself back

[real trellis]

#1384230665461170346 message

[loud locust]

these are the things im trying to find

[ornate moth]

I appreciate what you're doing with reporting situation to devs & trying to help players

[real trellis]

why is this pinned

[gilded mirage]

Might even be used in Aurora tbh since we cant use Freya there

[real trellis]

it recommends green units for inferno aurora

??

[gilded mirage]

And def + immunity is big but Aurora Inferno is too hard for most people atm

[ornate moth]

yeah lowkey considering putting some lattices in her this weekend

cause it's a unit that even if inferno gets balanced to not need insane comps will still be very valuable

[loud locust]

i dont think anyone should expect to beat inferno aurora without a little more grind

but again the team is looking into all inferno difficulty

[scarlet quartz]

grinding what?

[loud locust]

my guess is theyll look at enrage first but I don’t know what their plans are yet

[scarlet quartz]

cause it surely isnt inferno shell stages

[brave heath]

have mio, heinrich, massiah, and i pull a non-dupe ld

had to be doki...

[arctic plover]

directing players towards unreliable resource sinks is worse than nothing.

Telling them to "it sucks, we are waiting for the devs to do something, consider farming investigation or gp outpost for now" would actually be more likely to be a sound advice

[ornate moth]

I see shadow sania players post about how their inferno auto battle with 5 star ssania using outstanding modules on week 2 hasn't dropped a god tier mythic shell yet after 20 runs and wanna scream lol

[arctic plover]

or "play a better game" might also be a sound advice

[tardy ridge]

just farm hell 4 the rates are just as bad

[scarlet quartz]

from our perspective you focusing on us finding some very specific solutions and investing into these nieche characters when inferno is very obviously just very overtuned as the only channel to XD we have is not a very good look

[loud locust]

please consider not everyone has the same exact goal and mindset as you and if there was potential for finding a build that is sustainable for multiple gamemmodes I would have loved to contribute to finding that rather than just complaining and repeating myself for hours

[ornate moth]

I don't think anyone is telling people to go invest in kazami kazuyo and cachi the guard etc. immediately. It's just useful to share for people who like to see the ideas

[loud locust]

^

[ornate moth]

it's not really an advice thread

[loud locust]

literallu

im over iy

it

[tardy ridge]

i'll miss you

[ornate moth]

cause yeah my advice to anyone without ssania is just stockpile resources and wait for dev response

[scarlet quartz]

just repeating that the devs are looking into it and are aware that inferno is overtuned would have been the play tbh

[ornate moth]

:(

[arctic plover]

what happened is that a genuine complain thread was hijacked into something that it was not intended to be.

[loud locust]

okay

[scarlet quartz]

everything else is just pouring oil into it

[fallen rune]

Yeah honestly kind of shocking that this is the moderation response

[scarlet quartz]

You wanting to be helpful is fine but I don't think it's helping calm the overall situation

[nova island]

well to be fair, C doesnt make any decisions, he relays community feedback... he did about inferno being too hard, thats all he can do, he probably wont know whats happening until shortly b4 we do

[fallen rune]

Like wildly unprofessional

[nova island]

the renaming the feedback thread was strange tho

[fallen rune]

Very strange

Trying to shift the narrative and closing all the other related threads

[scarlet quartz]

It's just him having that XD Staff tag that is the issue here u are going to be held accountable

[carmine palm]

Untrue, in the reddit post they stated explicitly that the community managers are always professional. Please stop spreading misinformation.

[nova island]

probably should have closed the thread instead of renaming it...

[arctic plover]

as this was not stated we might as well assume that they do not consider it to be overtuned and instead are trying to sweep thigns under the rug while tehy are "monitoring it".

If they manage to do it then everything stays, if they don't then maybe we will have fixes. ALl those pins, discussions and niche teams are intended to ensure that the "monitoring", i.e. sweeping under the rug is succesful.

[gentle plover]

wait does C actually work for XD or not? if not hey props for moderating and trying something. If yes... erm no comments

[nova island]

community manager is staff, but doesnt make any dev decisions

[scarlet quartz]

but he still wears the face of the company

[arctic plover]

they are a community manager, which means the situation is not be their fault.

You know sometimes your boss does something incredibly stupid, but you still have to be a face for the company and find a way to sell this to playerbase.

[scarlet quartz]

it's how he appears not what he actually does

[sick crater]

Is it shocking? 🤣

[tardy ridge]

i miss c

[nova island]

c was originally saying inferno is too hard also... now hes just sitting on the fence waiting what the devs will do.... he obviously brought them our feedback

[loud locust]

did you think 8000 comments repeating the same complaining points were not enough?

[scarlet quartz]

we do not know

[loud locust]

ive been doing this since the beginning

[arctic plover]

until we see a response it's not

[ornate moth]

#1384230665461170346 message

[carmine palm]

how many comments did it take just to get the reset event? lol

[nova island]

devs cant response instantly, u wouldnt want them to make big decisions like this instantly

[ornate moth]

c repeatedly said he was sending feedback about the difficulty and proposed player solutions about adjusting the soft enrages to dev team

[scarlet quartz]

And that was enough, anything further can just be seen as diverting from the issue

[fallen rune]

Just don't engage with the thread beyond canned responses then, throwing up your hands and saying you're just done is so...

[scarlet quartz]

nevermind u questioning whether it was actually to hard or if we are just dooming

multiple times

[arctic plover]

it's an urgent matter, if we get an apology 10 pulls and a stabilizer I might be able to still pity holden /j

[scarlet quartz]

doesnt reinforce us being taken seriously

[nova island]

imo this thread should be renamed back and locked (then if there is another more specific feedback that wasnt addressed here ppl can make anew thread)

[gilded mirage]

Tbf that was different from this. That was a response to them actively nerfing/changing things. This is us wanting change to existing mechanics

[loud locust]

I’ve been in this thread for the past 3 days for hours a day taking everything seriously and working really hard both reporting the situation to devs and working with players for solutions and ideas

I’m just over the same people being petty with me about it okay

[nova island]

i dont normally agree with c this much haha

[gilded mirage]

What can he do, he's not a dev bro

[loud locust]

literally hours a day man

in here helping

I sent a 5 paragraph report ab the situation to our team

last night

[gilded mirage]

Even devs might not have full control, product managers usually decide things like this and games sometimes have "Economy specialists" too

[loud locust]

after really taking 2.5 days to gauge the situation

[carmine palm]

Can we read the report?

[loud locust]

and offer unbiased solution advice

[ornate moth]

people are misinterpreting people discussing workarounds to current inferno state as some kind of official XD response that the difficulty is fine

[fallen rune]

I get that, and I appreciate it, but people are going to continue to complain about the issue until it's resolved or they disengage/quit

[nova island]

it would be unprofessionaly for him to share internal details until they are finalized

[loud locust]

so yeah tell me that getting annoyed with people being petty towards me is unprofessional but I think you should try and look at the bigger picture

[half lodge]

You are goat Chris and i love your dog

[loud locust]

and I really appreciate you treating me like a human

[gentle plover]

@loud locust unrequested advice. First again appreciate you trying something and reporting to the devs.

With that said, telling people to stop complaining - doomposting, etc I would say is not a good idea.

[arctic plover]

if you call our feedback about overtuned gamemodes "dooming" then don't be surprised if your participation gets called "attempting to sweep things under the rug"

[twilit vault]

yes to c's credit he pushed up the main complaint about the enrage mechanics

[loud locust]

the only things ive called dooming are the extremely petty statements that arent helpful towards anyone or anything and I stand by that sorry

[wary fractal]

thx for sending the mentioned paragraph c

[loud locust]

I’m trying to help and find the most constructive solutions for this situation

[scarlet quartz]

I'm not sure that is very wise to do as XD Staff

even if it might be true

[loud locust]

we’ve had thousands of complaint paragraphs already

[arctic plover]

you know what's actually unhelpful misleading and harmful? all those pins you've tried to push

[sly ravine]

would heinrich,ditting,xiada,val and lingluo be a viable aurora inferno team?

[loud locust]

so let me do the rest of my job

[ornate moth]

doubtful

[tardy ridge]

can try it

[nova island]

trying to help ppl clear inferno is good also, should be a different thread imo

[gentle plover]

they don't have to be helpful, people are frustrated and venting on the only place they have to do so. Do not engage with those posts and do your thing but trying to tell them to stop, I do not think is wise. My two cents.

[ornate moth]

how? The thread isn't "Here's how to beat inferno without ssania, try these strats now!"

[arctic plover]

I would try with holden or viper, heinrich is very squishy 😦

[ornate moth]

it's just saving potentially useful team comp ideas in a busy thread where they'd otherwise get lost

[arctic plover]

people link them very often

[loud locust]

this

[sly ravine]

i'd love to but the investment is huge, so many things to build, afraid of bricking my progress xD

[real trellis]

whyd we hijack the feedback thread where people came to voice their complaints? why not make a separate brainstorming thread?

[mental mural]

5 of my guild members have quit

[tardy ridge]

well which ones arent built is the question

[mental mural]

Due to game difficulty

[ornate moth]

idk, should people not be able to theory craft because it might get linked somewhere out of context or by someone who misinterprets it?

[loud locust]

I wish people would have an open mind here and not see things so one dimensionally when I’ve worked so hard for all of these things

[fallen rune]

I would've just quit had I not spent money and genuinely enjoyed the game up until like 3 days ago

I will absolutely quit if it doesn't get addressed regardless

[arctic plover]

yes, make a theorycrafting thread if you want in player-guides

[sly ravine]

hein and xiada, ling and val are 5 star no skills on ling

[real trellis]

this

people come to feedback to voice their complaints

[loud locust]

this is where the largest group of people have come to discuss the topic and easily is the best place to work with the community in a centralized place both with complaints AND solutions both for how to fix the problem and find temporary workarounds for those who want to

[ornate moth]

pretty sure the thread got changed because the majority of discussion turned into people talking about non-cheese teams that might beat the current inferno difficulty

[arctic plover]

the solution is known

[tardy ridge]

i think you can use a diff def breaker and viper then

[loud locust]

ghis

this as well

[scarlet quartz]

but you have to realize how it looks for us

[loud locust]

Well, I encourage you to try and see the bigger picture

:/

[sly ravine]

true, viper needs only one skillup as far as I saw in s3 right? maybe build dinah more too, she is halfish built

[loud locust]

There’s so much depth to this situation seriously

[tardy ridge]

if you feel the need to push you can build them but otherwise id just save resources and farm other things if any on inferno

[loud locust]

and I think it’s fine to try and filter out and criticize comments that are solely just petty and unconstructive

because we’ve had TONS of very constructive complaints and feedback already

[azure tundra]

I recommend splitting the thread into each threshold that way genuine helpers would be more prone to speaking and sharing specific info

[loud locust]

devs have already stated theyre aware last night and are working on it

[azure tundra]

I have a lot of info to share but it will get lost in all this crybaby talk

[ornate moth]

I guess I could see how if someone clicked on the thread and just saw pins they might think it's XD trying to claim difficulty is fine cause u can use niche units, but if u look more at the thread u see it's ppl giving feedback which is being forwarded to devs, as well as people theorycrafting because they enjoy that and brainstorming niche units that might have value for PVE challenges

[glass void]

where have they stated that and any eta?

[mental mural]

How did a strategic channel turn into a whine and complain channel?

[loud locust]

Internal

[gentle plover]

hmm maybe make an "inferno venting" thread for people to rage there and try to keep this for the strategizing? Telling people "don't be a doomer" is never going to work 🙂 (that still probably won't work but at least doesn't look like just stopping people from complaining but to keep this clean)

[sly ravine]

i'm stuck on doki hell 4 and trying to branch out ot grab more ger sets like momentum,fury,keeneye etc from the other ones. was thinking hein because he might be able to help in terra too, then again I also have veronika and mia too. such a difficult decision to prio xD

[arctic plover]

this was the whine and complain thread from the get go

[fallen rune]

because it didn't start as a strategy channel

[surreal bobcat]

thats the irony, it wasnt a serious post

[loud locust]

It was originally a complaint channel then once people started changing the topic I changed the thread name

to follow the topic

[tranquil fog]

hey C, thanks for keeping an eye on this. could you maybe suggest to the devs that they should make inferno stages more accessible, as they were in the betas? content should always be clearable with a multitude of teams either way, the inferno buffs went way too far tbh

[loud locust]

and still encouraged constructive complaints the whole time

[acoustic ivy]

its always been that, people who want the difficulty to stay the same spend there time playing the game. people who complain drown out everything else instead of playing and just waste there time here. its annoying.

[loud locust]

have sent a 5 paragraph report about it as mentioned in greater detail than you can imagine

[ornate moth]

ah lol mb

[acoustic ivy]

if you try to help you get shut down and people find a million excuses for why your comp is not legit enough lmao

[glass void]

I see, It is helpful to the community if they just put out a statement that they are indeed looking into this. It was a reasonable assumption but open communication would be helpful no need for an immediate solution but an output by the devs just to confirm that yep they not fully happy with how restrictive it is either

[arctic plover]

because respectfully, you are not trying to help

[tardy ridge]

why would you want to do aurora inferno then

[acoustic ivy]

lets just make a complaining thread and if you want to complain go in there and complain ahead

[tranquil fog]

awesome, thank you! let's hope for a positive reply from the devs then!

[fallen rune]

whoever suggested starting individual threads for each inferno mode was on the right track

[arctic plover]

but this was a complaining thread!

[sly ravine]

basically, i want to pre build for it so I kep my investment at a minimum

[loud locust]

go make your complaining thread if you want I won’t delete it

[acoustic ivy]

im disgreeing with you, your just not able to accept different opinions. i dont want stuff nerfed so you lable me as unhelpful because i dont allign with you.

[loud locust]

but I promise you genuinely its a waste of your own time and energy

[ornate moth]

did you see seanb's video of "review after 200 hours" where he mentions the inferno difficulty by any chance? I mostly agree with his feedback that PVE challenge is cool but it's better to have it in anisync, ember trek, ethernet rally etc.

In honeymoon phase of a new game I don't mind spending hours farming but after a while I will want to burn my stamina quickly to gear up and then spend most of my daily time on PVP

[mental mural]

Who actually wants the difficulty to stay the same? 💔

[acoustic ivy]

complaining is not strategizing

[loud locust]

talked intensively about it with him

and shared his feedback w the team about this

extensively*

[azure tundra]

me because otherwise i get bored because its too easy

[arctic plover]

there were two separate complaining threads.

One was closed and redirected to another which was renamed with an attempt to derail it.

Like how are we pretending this was not an attempt to sweep the issue away.

[ornate moth]

awesome!

[acoustic ivy]

multiple people have come in voicing they like the difficulty but they just get bullied out so theres no real point voicing a different opinion

[tardy ridge]

i would just leave that out of your mind but those 2 units sound the best for when you can

[mental mural]

I agreed with him as well
Why I'm I not able to farm gear 2 weeks in?

[mental mural]

Deserved

Full deserved

[acoustic ivy]

no one is trying to sweep anything lmao. what is this tinfoil hat theories. some people dont want this changed. if you want something nerfed, nerf shadow sonia not all the content.

[fallen rune]

calling the content difficult when you can clear it with brainded strats that just happen to involve 2 ml5s is...interesting

[loud locust]

If you genuinely think ive tried to sweep this issue away after being here for 6+ hours a day 3 days in a row then I’d politely ask you to think harder :/ Do you see how this is extremely unhelpful to the issue?

[acoustic ivy]

if you dont like difficulty go play a hoyo game, they exist for you, so you can have an easy casual time

[ornate moth]

"how are we pretending this was not [speculation on intent]"
you can say it's intuitive or likely by your logic that was the intent but it isn't known so how could we be pretending it isn't something when that something cannot be known

[agile lodge]

Did we find any build for terror inferno(except shadow sania)

[nova island]

the only thing imo that was wrong is the changing the name of the thread 🙂 the discussion was if the community wanted inferno nerfed

[mental mural]

Encouraging rerolling isn't the way to go

[azure tundra]

So do you often use outliers for every single argument or is this ragebait?

[sly ravine]

that's fair, I guess that missing out on inferno for the 2x event got me kinda worked up about quick min maxing 😛

[acoustic ivy]

look at pins

[glass void]

i personally wouldn't mind the difficulty if there weren't cheats like ssania and lily. But since we do have that now realistically you have to nerf it so more other teams can clear lest they break with their nerfing promise on units

[loud locust]

the thread name says the situation is being monitored

[surreal bobcat]

https://youtu.be/qEGzq_Ccl80?si=WD-BbR4-5z-X6MYt from global i think, only auto i have seen

[scarlet quartz]

true i forgot this game was advertised for it's very delicate PvE involving limited units

[loud locust]

I thought that would be clear enough but ill change the name lol

[mental mural]

Imo they should lock inferno mode away

[glass vale]

@loud locust You're doing great! Very much appreciate all the work you've been doing here and for the game

[agile lodge]

Thanks, man i don't have khloros too .

[loud locust]

Thank you but I am done here for the day because people have drained me

Gonna rename the thread for the complainjng ppl

[next plume]

any strat without lily or ssania?

[young tree]

I'm preparing for terror and niconana inferno, I don't have ssania or rosa. Now planning to build units that would help for both but seems like dot characters are the only overlaps...

[acoustic ivy]

if you cant figure out how to beat inferno without S.Sania maybe this game isnt for you, reading skills is potentially too difficult

[scarlet quartz]

that was the first clear of inferno terror, requiring 2 specific SSRs

[surreal bobcat]

me neither, unlucky i guess

[loud locust]

inferno difficulty megathread - already being monitored

[ornate moth]

this is kinda my take as well. If everyone was walled and had to farm hell for a while and build new units it would be one thing, but it is soured by some players being able to instantly bypass all difficulty and farm BiS gear.

But also, even if it were the first way where it was same difficulty for everyone, realistically there would still be a massive outrage when the average/normal/casual players hit 50 and got super stuck

[scarlet quartz]

if u dont have khloros u dont have enough dmg

[tardy ridge]

saying this to people doesnt help either btw

[acoustic ivy]

asking to nerf the game doesnt help, some of us dont want that

so im gonna voice that opinion

[loud locust]

of course and this is the main consensus for 90% of people

[tardy ridge]

i get that but why do the same just be better

[acoustic ivy]

im not gonna just let people ruin the game

[agile lodge]

Can this be done with obol and fangus?

[loud locust]

I also think this is too harsh to say

[tardy ridge]

nerfing the stuff isnt gonna ruin the game but anyone can have their opinion

[azure tundra]

Either way just progress the conversation

[scarlet quartz]

the pve being so difficult in modes that have no business being difficult is the issue

[agile lodge]

I somehow cleared Nico with those

[surreal bobcat]

as i said its the only one ive seen auto and doesnt involve the other specific ssr's of lilly or Ssania

[mental mural]

There's difficulty and then there's clearing
Difficulty means it's just hard to clear but it's doable
Inferno isn't hard to clear or doable
It's either you can do it or go home
And that doesn't change until you have the units to do it
The time needed to clear is infinite

[agile lodge]

Nah nevermind obol is blue

[mental mural]

Preach

[acoustic ivy]

at the end of the day what happens happen, if the game gets nerfed to the point of being too ez ill take my money somewhere else, theres just gonna be no fun in it anymore

[loud locust]

anyways have fun guys just know every genuine valid criticism and ounce of constructive feedback have already been taken in so you’re expending energy complaining further 😆 just telling yall that so u can relax and not think ur voices arent heard or it’s being “swept under the rug”

[acoustic ivy]

whatever happens happen, im voiced my opinion

[scarlet quartz]

the people who are going to stay in this game are going to stay for the pvp

that is the core player base

fucking them off with impossible pve is not the way

[brave heath]

If ssania teams didnt exist, I could understand people saying "don't nerf it let people figure it out" etc, but the thing is when 1-2 units make a joke of the content, and otherwise it's extremely hard to clear, it's going to leave a sour taste in peoples mouths.

Just saying "dont nerf it" is very troll or you probably own some of the units that are doing such a thing and just want to keep your advantage.

Inferno should be hard, but it shouldnt be nearly required to have certain units.

[acoustic ivy]

yeah and i love pvp, but i also dont want my pve to be a joke, sorry i like all my content to be fun

[tardy ridge]

yes the main issue is everyone just clearing the content on easy mode with the 2 units

[loud locust]

pins have the best solution for this and I appreciate your take

[acoustic ivy]

then nerf those units lmao

[tardy ridge]

people would be way less butthurt otherwise

[acoustic ivy]

dont nerf all the content

[loud locust]

but caldalt u were there ladt night too so u know alr

[brave heath]

ik you've been doing good i'm just responding to a guy saying dont nerf it

[acoustic ivy]

such a backwards solution

[loud locust]

xd

[tardy ridge]

sadly nerfing doesnt do anything at this point

[carmine palm]

Noone's asking to nerf all the content, just the farm content. Plenty of non-farm pve content in the game.

[brave heath]

this is such a goofy take i dont get it

[mental mural]

Garbage take
Shadow Sania is used because of lack of damage
Even my maxed out diting can't do anything
It's not a figuring out issue
It's a clearing issue

[tardy ridge]

the dmg has been done

[nova island]

i wish they could nerf the units, but they just put our a statement that they woudlnt be nerfing anymore this season (3 months)

[loud locust]

yeah just directing them to it bc theyre might not be aware that has been shared

[arctic plover]

make ember trek harder and inferno simpler

[scarlet quartz]

again, there is 0 reason in this pvp focused game to have very difficult basic farming stages

it just doesnt make sense

on any level

[mental mural]

And why is that?

[brave heath]

cuz he has ssania 🤣

[mental mural]

L

[agile lodge]

I am fine with that. Just if any fix gonna happen, will it be possible to do it before the 21st or 2x event?

[loud locust]

nico stop throwing urselves to the wolves

[scarlet quartz]

there will be people who enjoy that sure, but surely we can acknowledge that is not the way to go?

[paper dagger]

i feel like the people saying "we'll get better gear" don't realize people are at the point where their gear can only give like 10% upgrades but bosses need like 70% more damage

[acoustic ivy]

lmao see what i mean, i disagree so my take is garbage. quality players

gotta love it

[tardy ridge]

he does but he didnt build them

[acoustic ivy]

i proved it multiple times that i have them and havnt built them

[brave heath]

either way dont really mind if ssania is like the best unit in the game for stuff, and i dont have one
issue becomes when its nearly impossible to clear without

[arctic plover]

sometimes if entire room has issues with you the problem is not the room

[azure tundra]

have you guys ever experienced SW or E7 on release what happened to those types of gamers who enjoyed this difficulty

[paper dagger]

hoyo games happened lol

[acoustic ivy]

but no everyone has an issue with me lmao

[mental mural]

I find your take to be garbage
Why?
I have people already quitting the game? Why would you promote that is my question

[agile lodge]

I will somehow clear dk dk. But I don't see any hope for terror

[azure tundra]

Where we had to work together and actually come up with a solution as a community rather than rant and stress

[ornate moth]

ur not a problem but your opinion is clearly unpopular haha

[acoustic ivy]

fine then quit, not the kind of people that should be part of this game then, if you dont like it dont play it lmao

[brave heath]

dokidoki only relatively well tuned inferno dungeon atm

[mental mural]

You yap alot instead of answering the question

[acoustic ivy]

first it was shadow sania got nerfed and i want a reset, now its shadow sania is too op and i dont have her

pick a lane

[scarlet quartz]

I don't think you know the core playerbase of these types of games

[mental mural]

You don't even understand the concept of gaming
L

[warped kestrel]

You do realize you can just remove your modules and the difficulty of content rises drastically, right? If you want challenge because easy PvE is too boring to you in this autobattle game, just do that, I'm sure you'll have a blast.

[acoustic ivy]

ah yes my bad, here come the insults, now im not a gamer lmao

[ornate moth]

been said many times already but IMO the main reason it isn't more of this energy is that SSania can bypass all the difficulty. So the comradery of coming together to overcome rly high difficulty is only for the coping ppl without a specific LD SSR

[mental mural]

He can't even explain his reasoning

[fallen rune]

the same people complaining about the ssania nerf are using her now to clear inferno and are not in this thread (other than to spread bad faith arguments)

[azure tundra]

Oh i forgot where i was...

[agile lodge]

Even through i can't clear it rn. I can see a way I can clear it in 2 days when I up my gear. Terror I just don't see it happening

[mental mural]

I'm not the one encouraging people quitting
Keep your insults to yourself pal 🥳

[brave heath]

yep, once i get 2 more accuracy swiftrush modules i should be able to auto it pretty well

[ornate moth]

cause the HP chip damage is more manageable than any of the other soft enrage mechanics which are downright insane dps checks

[patent gate]

Bro, is about daily pve farm is overtuned, not SSR Sania

[warped kestrel]

This is an autobattle gacha game that is PvP-focused. You're supposed to set a 10x run on the equipment dungeons and forget about it, not to feel challenged by them, however, if that's really what you want, there are plenty of ways to artificially raise difficulty of the game, such as removing your equipment.

[tight laurel]

What do you mean? This was clearly advertised as a PVE game /s

[scarlet quartz]

true, my bad

[agile lodge]

Ye. Hopefully they just fix terror at least.
I am fine with dk dk

[brave heath]

well aurora also needs a fix lol

[mental mural]

You actually destroyed his argument 💀

[acoustic ivy]

lmao encouraging you to play something else that you would ENJOY is an insult now?

[paper dagger]

inferno aurora feels in between terra and doki imo. the only fucked thing about inferno aurora is that her s3 can't solo remove the curse shield so you need double healer

[mental mural]

He still won't explain why he prefers it to be like this 💔

[arctic plover]

this is how they get you, people start coping via half-measures.

Beta level of difficulty was fine. Full stop.

[ornate moth]

I think there is def a place for some difficulty in the farms - like in seanb's video he mentions how going from hard to nightmare of module dungeons or beating some nightmare shell bosses early felt rewarding like you had to figure out how to use your units and who to use and a nice sense of accomplishment. But for farming content the difficulty gets way too insane at inferno

[acoustic ivy]

anyways enjoy, the game, let me know what the next issue is after this gets changed. im sure you all have tons to complain about

[paper dagger]

but that feels like a more solvable problem than terra having 2x more hp than reasonable

[acoustic ivy]

let me know whats next

[scarlet quartz]

I mean it's very easy to tell this is the main appeal of the game and will be the core playerbase

[mental mural]

Should I look up how many times you used the word quit?

[scarlet quartz]

idk who @acoustic ivy is actually catering to

[brave heath]

@acoustic ivy I'm gonna be honest, all I see you respond to people with is passive aggressive things and trying to say people should quit or they aren't good enough etc etc. Odds are 1. you're bad 2. you clearly have no rebuttal to any of their points so you're looking for some way out of the debate its kinda cringe

[azure tundra]

Nothing is stopping me from progressing I am telling you that my brain is stimulated by the challenge of the difficulty. Coming up with different team comps is extremely rewarding for me. I am currently cooking things up for myself and I do not personally don't mind if its nerfed but if someone asked me for my preference I would leave it as is.

[tight laurel]

There's a shocking number of people who like this game and feel that anything that suggests their favorite game isn't perfect is a direct attack on them 🤷‍♂️

It's so unhelpful

[carmine palm]

Nicoplaynick should help that guy who posted his roster asking how to clear Inferno Niconana. That'd show us all that it's simply a skill issue.

[scarlet quartz]

And that is fine, but it's not what the majority wants for this game nor what it was advertised as

[mental mural]

What lack of options does to a man

[scarlet quartz]

It wont survive like that

[tight laurel]

You like pve, that's great and I love that for you. But many of us are not here for PVE 🤷‍♂️

[agile lodge]

I mean yes its hard, but atleast it's possible. But terror is straight impossible for me without SS. I am saying this as an average Joe of this game.

[nova island]

for them to leave inferno as is, they would need to nerf shadow sania + lily as players with those units get a big advantage (getting inferno drops with WAY less investment)

[paper dagger]

inferno needs a nerf and sania and lily can stay the same until their first balance patch

[brave heath]

^

[drowsy gust]

I run an e7 guild that mostly takes in new players to help them with the game and a common thread I see among many of their frustrations prior to the newbie qol that recently came out is that they were struggling to get their gear farming teams together.

Before I changed jobs I'd sometimes sit in discord and have them screenshare and I'd take them step by step on building everything for their wyvern 13 teams. And so many of them were thankful my guild was around because they were getting super frustrated and a lot of them said if not for my guild's help they would've kept banging their heads against the wall and quit. We could potentially see this happen here especially as it feels like we're reaching a point where the just get better gear excuse is gonna run its course when people are running full mythics and still struggling

[arctic plover]

yes, it's possible, but it doesn't have to be this hard either.

Also it's only realistically possible with revelation which was also "monitored" from another threat.

[acoustic ivy]

ive answered this more then once, people just dont read my responses

[tight laurel]

Yea they just need to get back to near beta levels of difficulty so the game isn't such an annoying slog

[scarlet quartz]

Opinions like @acoustic ivy's is actually what's very detrimental for this game's longevitiy which is why its concerning seeing XD staff agreeing

[tardy ridge]

@carmine palm

[acoustic ivy]

last time i showed a different comp, people complained i had dupes and was spamming artisan shells, so whats the point, theres always an excuse

[mental mural]

Team composition is not an issue
Not being able to clear content on auto is

[frozen stone]

It’s not about brain storming shit
Bob1: was unlucky he didn’t get shadow Saina and lily bob can’t clear inferno
Bob2: started a week later got shadow Saina and lily now he’s clearing inferno with worse gears than bob1

[scarlet quartz]

people spending arent here to get stuck on pve

and if they leave it's over

[frozen stone]

Do you guys understand now

[warped kestrel]

The difficulty should be in the weekly/monthly resetting PvE content that doesn't gate progression, as they usually reward things like gacha currency, not straight up equipment, this is the tested and true way that PvP gachas add optional PvE difficulty for those who want that. Gating the most bare and basic thing needed to progress - equipment, is terrible design that is bound to cause outrage.

[drowsy gust]

If it takes having to sit in discord feedback threads for hours and searching up videos all over youtube just to get even close to clearing inferno then think about the people who don't do that and just open their phone 15 minutes a day

[mental mural]

You never tagged me with a direct response 💔

[frozen stone]

It’s pointless to argue with u honestly

[agile lodge]

I am not using revelation but count. Rilmocha use her pretty well.

[scarlet quartz]

you are making too much sense stop it

[ornate moth]

I've said that a bunch of times in here yeah

[paper dagger]

the problem is that it's like 4 ish days of brainstorming solutions to inferno and it seems like inferno terra and inferno nico have like 1 other solution

everyone else is just shadow sania

[scarlet quartz]

which is also gated by different LDs or specific SSRs

so it's not really a solution at all

[tight laurel]

And all the many other modes like anisync, cubic, train, etc etc

Gear farming is the tutorial mode for these games

[cold glen]

I think inferno stages should be made even harder they're way too easy

[arctic plover]

yeah, fair, it's either rilm or revelation. Tbh even with rilm I like putting revelation on freya is great so oneshotting the first wave is easier, but it's a gear issue.

[ornate moth]

yeah that's basically my exact take

[azure tundra]

I enjoy pvp as well I just have a different mindset towards challenges thats all.

[mental mural]

Agreed
Why do complain dislike this idea?
I don't get it
Just let us challenge and clear the game and move onto pvp which was their main advertisement
Not manually clearing inferno for hours

[brave heath]

massiah and xiada are also fine u dont NEED rilmocha lol

[scarlet quartz]

Issue is if u are truly competitive about the pvp to the point where u wanna spend money its gonna piss you off

[spice talon]

because by your logic they should just give you all units with the best gear

[paper dagger]

rosa can clear but its manual my clear is like 3 min manual for inferno doki

[arctic plover]

xiada needs revelation.

while massiah doesn't need revelation, I think nonlily clears tend to use it.

[azure tundra]

At the end of the day inferno will inevitably get nerfed due it being too difficult for most which is fine

[tight laurel]

There's many threads with actual users and spenders saying "wtf fix this", and the longer they're ignored the worse it is for the game and all of us who want this to be successful

[acoustic ivy]

do i need to tag everyone????? im tired of answering the same questions, look whatever happens happen, i disagree im allowed to. i think the issue lies with unit balance, some units need to be nerfed and some need to be buffed, my issue is not with the content, im not sure why this is the most terrible take in the world but thats my issue with the game. its not that i have no issues, my problems are with other things. i dont think the game is perfect far from it i just dont agree with this specific issue and how to deal with it. who ever thinks i dont critisise the game is making stuff up cause thats not true.

[drowsy gust]

The game is launching with an esports scene for goodness sake. How you gonna get people hyped for esports or even keep up with the drafting when all we can think about right now is pve

[agile lodge]

Only issue is if this gonna happen before 2x event

[azure tundra]

"truly competitive" this varies person to person im a top player in whatever I decide to heavily invest my time into. I complain just like you guys it's just about different things XD this right here is just trivial to me because its not a wall, it is a hurdle.

[mental mural]

Because by my logic the game should be sustainable

[acoustic ivy]

i promise you all the whales and competitive players are not farming gear during the 2x event. if you do that your gonna fall behind

[arctic plover]

it's going to get a slap-on-the-wrist nerf while still being too hard

[drowsy gust]

Oh boy someone picked Rilmocha and the caster is saying she's an amazing counterpick but all I can think about her as is my dokidoki unit

[carmine palm]

ya because they've already been farming gear for a week, lol

[acoustic ivy]

everyones worried about falling behind on gear but all the whales and comp players are farming xp stage with all there stam

[tight laurel]

Let's assume you are great in everything you play -- how's the average person going to view this game? Think they're going to have fun getting hard stuck every week? It's a death sentence for the playerbase

[acoustic ivy]

there not farming

[agile lodge]

Why?

[acoustic ivy]

there saving all there gems and max refreshing and holding till 2x

there not famring anything at the moment

[azure tundra]

the average person is complaining right now which i have already stated is fine

[scarlet quartz]

it's not a wall or a hurdle it's a unit check

[acoustic ivy]

im letting you know what there doing, your soo worried about gear and then there gonna level and max out a bunch of units for pvp and guild wars

thats the goal

[glass vale]

We're farming shells lol

[azure tundra]

why should I have to care that you aren't doing well im just a player not a dev

[acoustic ivy]

not gear farming in 2x

[mental mural]

I asked you a question and you never answered me. That was all. Unit balance is not the issue and will never be the issue. The game should be clearly to some extent even without the best units.
The problem is that pve isn't sustainable

[acoustic ivy]

shells is fine since there no lose of stam as well

theres no 2x for it

[azure tundra]

I will never agree with your complaint but I do completely understand your complaint from your point of view

[acoustic ivy]

what question? do you see how many msg there are here

[mental mural]

So he makes sense but you disagree?

[scarlet quartz]

yeah that's fine

[tight laurel]

It's real wild they were quick to make such massive nerfs to units that wildly changed their viability, but are really taking their time with this

[acoustic ivy]

like i dont have to answer anything from you so just say your question again

[scarlet quartz]

he can see the reasoning but personally doesnt agree

[mental mural]

I think we should stop conversing
It's not healthy

[agile lodge]

Ok ok, but that's come after I can clear end content and at least have one good set no? So i can farm them later anyways. If I don't have a good set I will lag behind others right?

Think of me as an avg player

[scarlet quartz]

just dont listen to the bird

he is chirping crazy

[mental mural]

So he denies reason?

[scarlet quartz]

[tight laurel]

I seriously have to block like 1 in 4 people in this server. I've never blocked so many people

[scarlet quartz]

that's not how that works

[mental mural]

Understandable

[scarlet quartz]

he personally doesnt mind the difficulty or even the fact the he cant clear it right now but he can see how other people dislike it

[acoustic ivy]

litteraly just bring an aoe clearer and farm xp level up your units and get shadow prints to 6* your stuff and get silver and xp mats during the 2x event

[left snow]

something can make sense and you can still disagree with it

like are you spcial ed

[scarlet quartz]

LOIL

[left snow]

why do you need somebody to explain this to you

[tight laurel]

???

[fringe mesa]

I’m just farming hell IV this weekend lol

[clever tapir]

Holy crap this thread really changed...

[arctic plover]

ok let's chill out a bit

[mental mural]

"Personally"

[clever tapir]

what happened to the team strategizing

[acoustic ivy]

my bad let me just agree with you because if you disagree you need to be silenced or ignored apperently

[tardy ridge]

i think he meant have 1 inferno set

[acoustic ivy]

not scary at all that people think like that

[scarlet quartz]

?

[ornate moth]

real

[mental mural]

You believed that? 😂
More complaining bb

[hot bridge]

are people actually gonna farm investigation during 2x?

[scarlet quartz]

do you even know who i was talking to

[ornate moth]

went to sleep talking about leveling my cachi the guard for inferno sharon, woke up to a shitstorm

[tardy ridge]

yes and gp

[scarlet quartz]

investigation and gp outpost are both valuable to an extent

[azure tundra]

i told em dw about it

[left snow]

i dont think anybody is doing that, not sure what that guy is talking about

[fringe mesa]

I have no gear lol

[scarlet quartz]

dont full send it into just modules

[left snow]

everybody i know who are level 50+ are trying to farm inferno shells

[ornate moth]

I will probably mostly farm gp outpost tbh and some modules. Maybe a bit of investigation but not much

[left snow]

and getting 3 matrix sets

[clever tapir]

i thought of the ultimate cd reduction team... tuski, fire kaz, mia, thats 3 turns cd down right there on animus and shells

[azure tundra]

so i have a question

[arctic plover]

it makes sense to prestack stamina refills for double event

[azure tundra]

are you guys cachi fans

[scarlet quartz]

the guard?

he seems underutilized

[azure tundra]

the goat*

[acoustic ivy]

cachi the goat

[ornate moth]

no I hate the stupid little kid he looks so dumb. But he's really useful so I built him lmao

[acoustic ivy]

hes so good

[loud locust]

when have I agreed? holyyyy stop putting words in my mouth dude

[agile lodge]

But will not that make me jack of all cards but a master of none? I will not still be able to clear inferno if my main units are not strong (or have good gears)

Not arguing just confused

[drowsy gust]

The people who defend no matter what are just so frustrating because they think it's their ego being attacked when we just wanna offer critiques of the game. Because of that people will really defend the dumbest things like how you can't clear the Xiada music event shop even though it's kind of an industry standard for gacha game event shops to be fully clearable or I actually had people try to defend the devs on making changes to the game and not putting in the patch notes

[azure tundra]

yeah im planning a video for him rn so people can start building him on global

[loud locust]

literally told nico his take was bad

[mental mural]

It's by far the worst options

[loud locust]

and this is why the thread was better not being an argument farm 😭

[acoustic ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-hurt-feelings-gif-14073109

time to go drink maple syrup

[loud locust]

u telling players to go play hoyo games and other games because you have a different opinion is not healthy man

[tight laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-allow-it-ken-jeong-korean-mexican-hat-gif-5187167

[thick arch]

go play the trial mode for challenge. Module and shell is in the section named "daily" for a reason.

[mental mural]

I told him we had to stop talking cuz out comvo was healthy 😂

[clever tapir]

most of those are 1 times things

[left snow]

honestly imo, farming stages shouldnt be hard. Shells & modules especially.

If you guys want to make hard pve content, can always up the difficulty in ember trek, asyn echoes etc

[hot bridge]

so the priority during 2x event is gp/invi to max level as many usable units and then dump the rest into module farm?

[drowsy gust]

Which is why it's okay for those to be hard

[loud locust]

agreed

[left snow]

farming stages shouldnt be something we spend much time strategizing

[ornate moth]

it isn't fun to need to grind and build a bunch of units you don't even like to clear something a luckchad can clear with 2 units lol

[clever tapir]

but when its done what do u do

[left snow]

they should be things we just do on a whim

[mental mural]

If he wants challenge he should stop using gears and shell
Simple

This aint a video game on an xbox

[drowsy gust]

Play pvp or other games? Why do I need to give Etheria like my entire day?

[left snow]

lower inferno difficulty farming stages and up the difficulty of ember trek or something if devs really want hard pve content

[loud locust]

I wanna just let this thread be but if people keep putting words in my mouth to make me look bad like @scarlet quartz is doing I really can't take a second to breathe here

[sudden wedge]

the game is advertised as “waifu collector”

[clever tapir]

wheres the waifus

[acoustic ivy]

diting

[loud locust]

^

[ornate moth]

celince is right there bro...

[mental mural]

We don't got enough of them 💔

[clever tapir]

i didnt summon her

[left snow]

im glad that you are agreeing with this and hopefully you guys can take a step in this direction

[arctic plover]

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You have voiced ideas that this difficulty level is fine (which is funny as you haven't reached inferno according to your words, but w/e)

[agile lodge]

Rosa no?

[left snow]

inferno should be buffed one way or the other

[ornate moth]

no celince, your account is bricked

[cold glen]

I thought staff said they wanted content to be more unit gated rn anyone with ssania can free clear ????

[left snow]

either drop rates or toning down the difficulty

[clever tapir]

sadge, missing 5 ssrs after 2k ish

[acoustic ivy]

ok maybe i over did it everyone should enjoy the game, ill stay with my opinions

hopefully a middle ground is found so everyone is happy

[loud locust]

literally none of these are saying anything is fine and only further prove im doing a good job 😭

[mental mural]

We can't fully see her in the animus screen 💔

[loud locust]

it's me saying yeah it's too soon to decide on anything if only a day has passed

you have to analyze the situation

before you can fully determine what needs to be done

[clever tapir]

very valid tbh it really was too soon

[acoustic ivy]

im gonna focus on making builds cause really all i want to do is make builds thats what i enjoy

[arctic plover]

but I agree that you don't agree with nico on everything and is callign him out when he is overstepping

[ornate moth]

I think a lot of people here are missing something obvious:
The only people who even know anything about inferno difficulty rn firsthand are like the top 10% most hardcore players. Once normies hit inferno the outrage will be impossible to contain - therefore inferno nerf is basically guaranteed by that point in my view

[acoustic ivy]

so im not gonna build s.sania and keep trying to find new comps for all inferno content

next week once 2x is over

[loud locust]

and that's the fear

[clever tapir]

true true most players think 1 team is end all be all still

[agile lodge]

I am that normie lol. Just came here to check what's happening and find ways.

[drowsy gust]

Very much this. If we the hardcore enough to actually go deep into discord, reddit, etc are struggling, people who just open their phone 15 minutes a day are screwed

[acoustic ivy]

holden is the way

[left snow]

i think you understand what needs to be done though having few days passed

it didnt really get better

[loud locust]

rath thank u for being so reasonable and well informed on all aspects of this situation

[loud locust]

yes

already reported everything in detail to devs last night

[scarlet quartz]

Maybe I am crazy for thinking that the inferno difficulty very clearly didnt need 3 days of additional analyzing after people have been clearing it for a while already

[loud locust]

after 3 days of analyzing and being in here for hours a day

[scarlet quartz]

now why do we have to let it get to that point

[left snow]

yeah thats good to hear

[loud locust]

it's only been available for 3 days

roughly

[agile lodge]

Many of my other normie folks are arriving at inferno too. Let's see what will happen

[tight laurel]

Gotta agree, this does come across like "the balance isn't the issue, we can find solutions" and every day it's just more of the same few teams able to progress

I'm holding out hope, but there hasn't been some massive breakthrough in strat and there's just a lot of theories using a lot of niche units people would rather not have to invest in to get through basic gear farming stages

[clever tapir]

whats the point of doing this

[loud locust]

beta was too easy yes, they wanted more of a challenge

[clever tapir]

i dont understand]

[loud locust]

but it doesnt mean i havent been critical of how they balanced it

[ornate moth]

I don't think we have to but my point is if ur worried about whether inferno gets nerfed or not, I am very confident it will be nerfed

[loud locust]

?

[drowsy gust]

Another thing I've been noticing in the difficulty overtune is that it's making following guides a lot harder. Like one of my launch guildies who quit was frustrated that even though he was building the units the guides said to build and get their stats somewhat close to the guide, it still wasn't working. A game could live or die off its guide scene

[tight laurel]

c said they never said those things, ariell is providing receipts 🤷‍♂️

[brave heath]

to be fair, beta could have been too easy but also doesnt mean it needs to be as overtuned as it is now games still new they gotta figure out what they wanna do

[loud locust]

it's just so pointless when I've been nothing but helpful

[azure tundra]

I did wanna mention after seeing you say this, a lot of us are saving energy atm for 2x day so youll see far more diversity after 2x.

[loud locust]

it didnt prove anything

[mental mural]

Game difficulty is completely irrelevant
The problem is the vision
I as someone stuck on hell 3 cannot see a way to clear inferno in the near future
Most players will face the issue of not having that one or 2 units that required
The bosses already do too manage and survivability is not an option
Most modes required damage before being killed
Inferno isn't sustainable as it no way of being casually cleared as of now which is horrendously bad

[arctic plover]

I think the beta difficulty was fine.

There is this weird idea pushed by @loud locust that it was too easy, but it is hilariously out of touch.

Let's meet Sterbby. ||https://youtu.be/RNdrrQLeCTc?t=373||

Sterbby has finishes top 10 in RTA and has spent enough money to get prowess 7 heinrich (not sure about the number but it was more than max). This includes essentially buying out the entire shop and obviously full refreshing and taking full advantage of the 2x event in beta.

Yet, mr. sterbby not only failed to clear any inferno thresholds, he also did not clear hell4 of aurora and terrormaton. And his dokidoki hell4 clear took around 5 minutes.

I think it is incredibly unreasonable to claim that the top 10 rta player is so terrible at the game that this progression is not indicative of anything.

While it's certainly true that many beta players had better progression in pve, I think expecting many players to outperform a top 10 rta whale is not sensible.

The population of people who played the beta with reset is vastly more tryhard that the population of a real game, most of the players intentionally played it to optimise their progression, and yet a lot of them had troubles in high dungeons.

It was certainly doable, but not "too easy" as some want to portray.

And now bosses have extra mechanics and significantly more HP.

For the record if mr. @loud locust claims it was too easy in beta I would dare ask them whether he personally managed to clear them in beta.

[clever tapir]

was gonna suggest taking a break to go to the beach untill i looked at the time and it was a work day

[loud locust]

holy

[mental mural]

Bro really got the receipts 😭😂

[loud locust]

yeah and people keep tagging me and lying on my name 😭

[tight laurel]

They're just providing what they've seen to make that claim. People can read it and see if they agree or think ariell is misrepresenting. Was just answering rock on why ariell was posting those things 🫡

Not trying to add fuel to anything

[arctic plover]

I have never lied about you

[tight laurel]

True, hopefully we'll see some big opportunities after. I'm doubtful, but hoping we do

[acoustic ivy]

have fun everyone hope you get what you want and were all happy im peacing out and going back to playing the game

[loud locust]

you are misrepresenting my words, and ains directly lied about me

[acoustic ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-wave-hi-hello-howdy-gif-17500258755908763204

[agile lodge]

Homie wrote a whole paragraph

[drowsy gust]

Broke: Nerf inferno so it helps most of the playerbase clear it more easier
Woke: Nerf inferno so we all stop arguing

[loud locust]

I don't see why you have this mission to misrepresent my words and paint such a bad picture of me when you know ive been here extremely critical and being helpful this whole time

it's so petty

[cold glen]

Last I heard C was inferno Aurora irl and didn't want to die...devs did him a solid by giving him poison immunity so he can take all the community slaps no problem

[arctic plover]

I have not misrepresented anything you have said.

You have explicitly mentioned that on your opinion beta was too easy.

[loud locust]

just because I said some things you say are unconstructive and dooming

[zenith cipher]

Yo can y'all chill? I'm sure Mr. c is not our enemy here.

[ornate moth]

I mean u did imply it was extremely clear c/XD were trying to sweep the situation under the rug which is pretty bad faith IMO

[loud locust]

^^^

[scarlet quartz]

I'm not worried that its not gonna get fixed it has to or the game is crashing, that much is clear. I just don't know why we have to let it get to that point and get yet another outrage 2 weeks into the game

[left snow]

me and many others would agree with that statement btw

[clever tapir]

classic doom poster behavior imo

[mental mural]

Games needs casual as you've pointed out
If try hards cannot handle it...then 99% of your player should not be expected to handle it

[left snow]

also i hard disagree with the earlier paragraph you wrote

[brave heath]

real, my enemy is whoever thinks 100 crystals for stam refresh is balanced

[left snow]

and ive been very critical of inferno so far

[cold glen]

@arctic plover to be fair sterbby has always been a garbage pve player @tardy estuary

[clever tapir]

Beta was easy because the difficulty was reduced to let people test stuff for them....

[agile lodge]

[clever tapir]

ofc beta is easier..

[scarlet quartz]

if we reduce the difficulty to test stuff

what are we testing

?

[tight laurel]

This is the big issue. Most of us here are tryhards. The avg person will play this game for 6 days, get hard stuck, and uninstall

[clever tapir]

bugs

[arctic plover]

if they were not I am apologizing.

Is it reasonable for me to interpret his actions tha tway when he closes one thread and renames the other about the issue and keeps telling peopel who complain that their posts are offtopic and the trhead is now about strategizing?

Even if they were not, it was reasonable to think they were, right? Come on.

[ornate moth]

IMO they should have been better prepared from the betas to properly balance DoT/sania and inferno difficulty. But devs have been reasonably quick at responding to major issues so far, I am hopeful there will be a response/adjustment before things hit critical mass

[scarlet quartz]

we are having a very interesting not being able to clear bug right now

i heard the fix is pulling 2 LDs

[loud locust]

and that's why we have been critical of the balancing of this

[half epoch]

"already being monitored" are they waiting until after the 2x event? They were pretty fast to implement the character ner.. I meant hotfixes....

[loud locust]

not sweeping the issue under the rug

[agile lodge]

Yea I don't want it to be easy like beta but not that hard like terror. Just make it like dk dk. Where it's possible with different units or shell

[clever tapir]

nah its not a bug tho? they made it harder

[drowsy gust]

It's unfortunate for c because the devs are the ones really fumbling the bag here but because we can't talk to the devs and Jack has just been gone since the beta people's frustrations about the devs can only go to the nearest person they perceive to be the devs and it is the community manager

[scarlet quartz]

it was a joke

[tight laurel]

If a mega whale gets stuck that hard, it still shows a huge balance issue. Whales aren't gonna whale if they still get hard stuck

[loud locust]

it takes more than 2 days to figure out a good solution that isn't just "make it easy so they stop complaining"

it's supposed to be challenging

[tight laurel]

PREACH

[loud locust]

but it's also not supposed to only be doable with 1 of 2 units

[zenith cipher]

I think Inferno is overtuned aswell, but there's no need to make Mr. @loud locust the one to blame here. He's communicating with us and I think he'll relay the criticism towards his higher ups. Have some faith.

[loud locust]

I already have in well detailed paragraphs

[mental mural]

My guild members have quit
I can't tell my friends to play this game anymore as I personally do not enjoy it anymore
I'm just here hoping it gets better

[half epoch]

it didnt take them 2 days to figure out a way to balance dot for aurora other than to just make it immune

[cold glen]

This game isn't that friendly towards whales I'm in his guild he just doesn't really care about pve

[loud locust]

I know this situation more than any of the doomposters

[tight laurel]

How dare you talk about lily and ssania like this

[ornate moth]

maybe a new thread for strategizing would have been better than changing the topic of a feedback thread to strategizing, but it's uncharitable to assume worst possible intention from that

[cold glen]

We've played other games together

[zenith cipher]

See? He's one of the good guys 🙂

[clever tapir]

just wondering whats asia saying? do they also find it difficult?

[cold glen]

You can't just throw money and win in this game

[clever tapir]

on their community threads

[agile lodge]

[ornate moth]

when it could realistically be just a thread retitle because the topic shifted naturally based on ppl talking in the thread

[arctic plover]

I am not trying to put flak on sterbby, great content creator.

It's just I think the idea that beta is too easy is out of touch, and he was a good example of why.

As he clearly knows what he was doing, got high ranked in RTA but had troubles. So it's unreasonable to claim it being "too easy"

[amber burrow]

I think the bigger issue, is the fact the devs haven’t made a post about it. This feedback and c can only talk to so many people. There’s millions of downloads yet nothing has been made to bring awareness on the official page no?

[loud locust]

asia is pretty quiet compared to our servers

[tired socket]

cant even blame ppl the situation sucks ass

[tardy ridge]

wasting ur time they are using those 2 units on all the content and hitting ppl with skill issue

[drowsy gust]

I criticize the game a lot and I have gotten heated but I haven't taken the step of personally attacking c. But unfortunately c until the devs get their act together or Jack starts showing up again you're just gonna be the lightning rod

[clever tapir]

i see

[loud locust]

because 90% of the game population isn't at the inferno stages yet

[scarlet quartz]

[cold glen]

C is only one staff member tho

[loud locust]

so theyre trying to figure it out rn and what the best solution is

[boreal sentinel]

Do we have a somewhat accurate estimation of when we can expect a response/action? I understand you can’t promise anything but is it like within this week or several weeks away?

[loud locust]

before the 90% get there

[agile lodge]

I am asia. it's kinda hard as an avg player

[loud locust]

as expected

they're just not as loud in general

[brave heath]

Best solution would probably be to give me (only me) ssania and lily

[loud locust]

global is always really loud

[brave heath]

the rest can figure it out

[loud locust]

🤣

[tight laurel]

Just let the devs go dark souls on anisync and the train mode, tell them to chill on the basic farming stages

[cold glen]

The thing is inferno isn't even really "necessary" to be farmable by this weekend 2x, hell 4 drops good endgame gears you will use anyways lol ...

Like the 6x gears are just a bonus drop in inferno that's it

[clever tapir]

are there community threads for asia? whats the general statment about the difficulty?

[tired socket]

give everyone a lily and ssania in mail problem silved

[left snow]

hard disagree

[tight laurel]

Have you seen the hell droprates? Nah fam

[tired socket]

[zenith cipher]

I think it's just more accepted in western regions to complain more 😄

[arctic plover]

not sure how it's related, they claimed beta to be "too easy" which I disagree and I explained why.

Do you think it was too easy?

[left snow]

shell stat upgrades alone are very important

[cold glen]

You think hell4 doesn't drop endgame gears?

[left snow]

yes

[loud locust]

It's not out of touch to say that inferno is supposed to be challenging and that the beta was likely too easy for the intention. It doesn't mean they didn't overdo it though

[tight laurel]

Way too rarely

[paper dagger]

hell iv drops 3 module pieces at a much worse rate

[cold glen]

Idk all I did I beta was pull

[left snow]

hell 4 isnt endgame drops more like midgame

[mental mural]

@loud locust you need to remind the devs that this is a pvp game
Players coming into this game want the pvp
But they can't enjoy that because to be pvp reading you need to be clearing hell 4 and inferno
because of the rta system it gets worse because now they have their options halfed which makes the game unsustainable
Casuals are stuck in pvp and pve with nowhere to progress
And it's only 2 weeks in
The gap between players will indefinitely widen with stamina cap being a thing as well
Just remind them of their mission

[loud locust]

please stop looking at this so one dimensionally just because I have a different take and am a staff member

[ornate moth]

I also think inferno in beta was fine. In beta I made some account mistakes etc. that you'd expect an average player to make who hasn't tried the game before or done a ton of research and inferno still hit me like a massive wall. Inferno nico was barely clearable for me by the end of beta. On launch I have been way more strategic and probably know what I'm doing more than 90-95% of players and inferno is even more difficult for me to hope to clear than in beta. And difficulty of farming content shouldn't be balanced around top 10% of players IMO

[loud locust]

ahve already said exactly this

to them

[carmine palm]

Can someone point out a beta feedback thread where people agreed that the beta was too easy? It would be interesting to back and read through history.

[sudden wedge]

there was one, it was downvoted

[paper dagger]

i just want to know when we'll hear something officlal from XD acknowledging the current state of inferno

[tight laurel]

I think there was one, but it wasn't very popular. I really have no idea where this idea to crank up the difficulty came from. It caught almost every beta player by surprise

[ornate moth]

thing about beta inferno was the beta ended when only like 5% of people had hit 50, and a lot of people quit or stopped max refreshing before 50 because they got a solid feel for the game and didn't care to keep grinding when progress would be reset. So hard to guage the difficulty of beta inferno IMO

[amber burrow]

That’s the biggest issue I’m having.

[clever tapir]

be patient they just got the notice last night

[zenith cipher]

I'm just happy to see a staff member involved with the community, keep up your good work and stay strong @loud locust ❤️

[clever tapir]

prob a day or 2

[drowsy gust]

Might also wanna add that if they want us to be excited for the esports we need to be able to be focusing on pvp more than still thinking entirely about pve lol

[cold glen]

Inferno shell I agree it's a big difference but hell4 modules tbh can be on endgame gear ATM

[paper dagger]

@clever tapir wait how do you know that

[left snow]

c lliterally said it

[loud locust]

🤣 no one is saying it was EASY to beat in beta man saying it was too easy for the intention of the difficulty is what I meant and most people who think critically understand that

[paper dagger]

was it earlier in this thread? mb i probably didn't see

[charred minnow]

is it all drama again?

[loud locust]

yes

[clever tapir]

c said like 20 min ago

[cold glen]

I think they can just add some new inferno stages and drop the difficulty of current one

[ornate moth]

I will say, I think they made a big mistake by making inferno so hard that Lian is no longer viable for inferno. The game gives you lian and encourages you to build her, and in beta that was good guidance because she could clear inferno terror & basically all inferno shells. Now the meta is to reset lian which is kinda weird from game design perspective

[cold glen]

Easy fix

[loud locust]

have already given them this sentiment

[tight laurel]

that's the thing, always has been

[tired socket]

well its still stupidly easy if u have ssania

[scarlet quartz]

Inferno beta was perfectly reasonable for a game focused on pvp if they devs intend for it to be much harder I'm not sure what road we are walking on rn

[arctic plover]

inferno set is around +18 speed from the set bonus alone.

Inferno shells give +5.

It is a very big deal when trying to speedcontest.

[left snow]

well basically c decided to wait a few days and let more comps emerge for inferno, and after waiting couple days and realizing its not happening he decided to give them a feedback

[charred minnow]

true I guess

[ornate moth]

because the game now hand holds you into building a unit who will get walled by endgame farming content

[left snow]

now he informed them of the current terrible situation of inferno

[drowsy gust]

I think you're becoming my favourite person on this entire server why does this man keep dropping fire takes

[loud locust]

and thats why I gave them a highly detailed report last night after 3 days of analyzing the situation properly so that I would be unbiased and not just be complaining about something that needed more time

[sly ravine]

at this point i want to see a dev talk video with C and compare how he looked like in the old one where they announced the launch,mio and teased hoyan with how he looks now, I bet you this thread made him go bald

[loud locust]

lol

[cold glen]

I'm not saying that you won't need it eventually I'm saying an endgame build with the six set inferno speed is still going to have the 12 set speed....which drops from hell 4

[dense lantern]

this is tragic

[loud locust]

genuinely real nandy

[azure tundra]

im over here eating my chicken sandwich and they refuse to progress the conversation LOL, i dont know how you can sit here for hours just repeating the same words

[cold glen]

I didn't say youll cap endgame gear just that endgame pieces will drop from modules

[ornate moth]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[loud locust]

agreed it's weird

[cold glen]

Is reading comprehension this hard these days omfg

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/white-chicks-bodega-gif-19018859

c right now

[scarlet quartz]

being able to beat terrormaton with a lian centered team should be the baseline

even if not 100% consistent

[paper dagger]

i just want to see the devs auto inferno stages with non-ssania lily comps to prove us wrong

or even manual

[drowsy gust]

It'd be like e7 giving everyone Sigret for free which they do for now but then somehow she's not viable for wyvern 13

[left snow]

the only reasonable course of action is to wait for devs to respond to you at this point but that is too much ask i guess

[mental mural]

100% agreed
Reset lian arguments shouldn't even be a thing

[charred minnow]

not even, beating terrormaton with any postive affinity unit be it SR or SSR with some thought behind the team should be the baseline

[clever tapir]

ssr selector compensation incoming? O.o

[arctic plover]

They need to force the gamedirector to clear inferno with Lian and not feed him until he does.

Nerfs within 80 minutes guaranteed.

[cold glen]

Positive affinity units still get 1 shot by terror lmaoooo

[brave heath]

I assume you put it in there as well but they should potentially look at reducing the 60% turn meter resist down a little bit for terror as well. @loud locust it kinda defeats a very normal strategy to do bosses on games like this.

[steady vessel]

on lily is it better gigabyte or jackal guard ?

[tight laurel]

This is real useful info. I think if more people knew you were going to bat for the community, they'd see you less of an obstacle / defender of the status quo and more like an ally / representative

Some changes will need to happen to keep people happy, but this will go a long way to avoid the daily "wtf c" convos

[charred minnow]

the lian situation happens in so many games tbf, you get a free 5* and it's kinda mid in lategame

[azure tundra]

Lian isn't on the team due to the 60% turn meter decrease as well

[mental mural]

Praying to God for this

[azure tundra]

yeah a lot of games dont use the free char for the hardest content lol

[scarlet quartz]

she steals turn meter

different mechanic

lian works at full effectiveness on terror

[clever tapir]

i think if they do another 100 gem compensation it will make people mad lol

[paper dagger]

@steady vessel artisan best until pvp and it doesnt matter in pvp because she's always banned

[cold glen]

I feel like c doesn't care about us

[azure tundra]

if thats the case then why not run her XDDDD

[scarlet quartz]

LOL

[arctic plover]

nah, he does

[scarlet quartz]

she is dog bad

[mental mural]

They definitely should LMFAO
And they actually made her worse in pve lol

[azure tundra]

nah shes goated trust me bro trust

[ornate moth]

gigabyte or artisan imo. Alicorn has good value for sharon or dokidoki

[loud locust]

it's because majority of people who have seen me in this thread know I care but the 5% of people who dont care to see the bigger picture or think critically love to spread propaganda about me that makes others who are easily misled think im such a terrible person who doesnt care and wants to sweep it all under the rug

and it's annoying

[cold glen]

C only cares about fruit snacks

[azure tundra]

lemme stop trollin before i get caught up

[drowsy gust]

When Arknights designs new maps they have their map design team try to clear it with as few 6 stars as possible. If the devs can't clear it, then they have to redo it

[cold glen]

Especially the strawberry ones

[mental mural]

I won't even care about their sentiments at that point

[loud locust]

then I get called "unprofessional" and get hate because I say it's unproductive and unconstructive and want to stop dealing with it

[cold glen]

https://tenor.com/view/strawberry-fraise-funny-twerk-twerking-gif-13568371

[scarlet quartz]

I do not agree with the approach you have taken on this, not at all. But I do think that u care

[ornate moth]

I mean u kinda see it in any game community when players are unhappy, community manager becomes a punching bag for negative player sentiment especially when devs haven't directly communicated about something yet

[torpid willow]

Hey C, we have information from the developers.

Best regards, and we hope everything gets better

?

[arctic plover]

well, and I got called a liar for no reason shrug

[loud locust]

you misrepresented my words many times and ains directly lied about me

[drowsy gust]

If anything c is the one with the most beef with the devs because their fumbling of communication is making him a target lol

[loud locust]

you are the two people contributing the most to that

[tight laurel]

I don't blame you, I think literally any person in this role will get roughly the same treatment, so hopefully you don't take it too personally

And I think 99% don't blame you either

[loud locust]

it's why im tired

im exhausted

[tight laurel]

But you are the person they vent to 😦

[charred minnow]

you've been a real blessing to the community one of the better community managers seen in games for the last couple of decades

[arctic plover]

what words have I misrepresented?

[cold glen]

C you got to take their criticism less seriously lol. Im trying to help with some light trolling but you gotta just...do your thing people will be for or against your actions no matter what

[ornate moth]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-sadness-pet-head-caterpie-sad-gif-16792400

[loud locust]

you dont understand how fast their agenda spreads about me

then it starts directly affecting my job

lol

literally would be better off not caring and not doing my job

[cold glen]

Dont be so easily affected it's gonna happen in every community

[loud locust]

😂

theyd be happier too apparently

[cold glen]

People talked shit in dislyte too

[loud locust]

if all I said was "yo i sent this to devs"

[cold glen]

Nothing new

[mental mural]

I feel like devs are still testing out things and are using c as their shield until they arr resdy

[loud locust]

thats what they said earlier

lol

[tight laurel]

I'd suggest some comments like "appreciate the feedback, I'll include your thoughts in my weekly report for the devs!" and just leave a lot of things at that

[arctic plover]

I think most people are aware that ultimately the fuckup is on the developer team, and you are just a messenger.

We tend to dislike the message though.

[loud locust]

im here willingly

[midnight ice]

it changed name agin lol

[charred minnow]

that's no excuse to be a shit community ;-;

[cold glen]

C isn't even a dev lmao

[ornate moth]

u can be like me and just play this game instead of doing work

[scarlet quartz]

and i still stand by that

[ornate moth]

don't do that tho

[agile lodge]

Captain C

[scarlet quartz]

let people know u send it to be devs and let them vent

all that needed to happen in here

[drowsy gust]

Unfortunately that's also a consequence of the devs really fumbling this. Like c you got a lot of flack back during the Aurora hotfix because you were stating factually that the devs did change Aurora between beta and launch but because the devs fumbled so hard by not putting it in the patch notes, it looked like you were defending them or trying to push it under the rug when everyone was really upset.

[charred minnow]

tbf no

[cold glen]

Omg tea ☕

[dreamy cliff]

I totally agree. @loud locust has been the most active staff on discord. constantly replying to people question. Give him credits when it's due he cares a lot about the community and the health of the game

[charred minnow]

it's better to give a detailed report than just say hey these losers are complaining

[scarlet quartz]

no I agree with the detailed report

[loud locust]

right instead of gauging the situation from a broad perspective for a few days to gather an unbiased recommendation for solutions that may actually have a greater impact rather than letting the devs read through 8000 doompost messages that arent constructive or helpful I should just not do that and say "devs are looking into it"

and everyone will be happy

:D

jesus

[drowsy gust]

Take it from one of the game's common critics, I think you're doing good c, but the devs are really making things harder for you by giving people more things to be mad about

[loud locust]

think critically man

im just not trying to have them rush into another dumb decision

[clever tapir]

Ngl i dont know why no one is mad about the dupe after max dupe... only 250 animus points... 😭

[charred minnow]

I'll just drop as well that most of my Union doesn't really care too much for the difficulty, nobody is complaining, we're all working on clearing it with different comps

[tight laurel]

That to me?

[ornate moth]

yeah I agree. He has personal takes ppl disagree with including me on some of them but in terms of caring about the community and monitoring/sending feedback to the devs I couldn't ask for more tbh

[loud locust]

to ains

[charred minnow]

and they've had many since launch

[dense lantern]

the cooks are making shit food and now the waiter's getting blasted for it

[ornate moth]

c why did you personally make lian nonviable for inferno terror. This is ridiculous

[loud locust]

I also don't put up with the customers who are being unhelpful to the situation

:D

😞

[loud locust]

😭

[arctic plover]

how can customers be helpful to the situation of receiving a shit food

try 29 methods of eating it

[cold glen]

@loud locust do you think they'll give another SSR selector banner as compensation? i need to fill out my roster

[arctic plover]

and report that each one doesn't taste well

[ornate moth]

by not going karen mode on the waiter about it if we're sticking to the analogy

[craggy gale]

C can the devs communicate with us more often. I currently still have my selector and want to choose Xiada with revelation for a more consistent Doki run but currently with no communication and trust I’m afraid it might be a bad investment since it could be nerfed and I would be screwed choosing her for selector. Can devs just communicate on what they’re thinking and what plans they have. Whether they will nerve revelation only for PvP or both. Just any words will give reassurance.

[left snow]

need gordon ramsay to come here and scream at the cooks calling them inferno difficulty is RAW

[scarlet quartz]

depends is the waiter taking the food back or is he asking me to try eating it in a different way

[arctic plover]

maybe waiter shouldn't tell customers not to doom the food and keep trying, what if after 12th bite they get used to it

[mental mural]

We're not there yet
But soon
Very soon there'll be a bew bloodbath for that

[cold glen]

Revelation won't be nerfed i think esp not for pve it's already just an "ok" choice for pve

[loud locust]

the point is this is ALL you guys are claiming im doing... which is not true at all

[clever tapir]

welll... it happened to me.... and a guildie 😭

[loud locust]

and im tired of that narrative

[dreamy cliff]

@loud locust I wish people can stop complaining for a few days and let you relax fr... Feedback is being passed to the right persons. I'm sure that what ever changes that need to happen will happen. Come on guys we're 2 weeks in and the game is amazing. Sure some stuff need adjusting but it will be come, no need to doompost in here. The devs are aware what our opinion is and are working on it

[loud locust]

it's unhelpful

[cold glen]

But Xiada is good even without rev so i'd say go for it @craggy gale

[brave heath]

Revelation is only best for aoe or like, Rosa on st

[left snow]

some people just like to complain and thats what those 2 have been doing, not trying to achieve anything helpful

[cold glen]

how much power do you have?

[ornate moth]

It's more like the waiter says I'll let the cooks know. And then you see the waiter at the bar later and he speculates maybe you could beat the bad food if you put more salt on it in the meantime before the cooks improve

[loud locust]

yes sometimes you can try the food a different way and you may find out you really like it and that's good, but it doesn't mean I haven't been in the kitchen screaming at the cooks the whole time as well

and working closely with the customer to figure out a solution