inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[tardy ocean]

Not to sound insensitive, but lily while yes is one of the most enabling units in the game, there are litterally teams able to clear it without lily. So i kinda feel like they are tunnel visioned needing lily, and i honestly don't know the validity of that because I have seen a lot of "drama bait" videos of people quiting but still playing in the background.

[clever tapir]

I aint complaining i cant beat inferno 3 days after it unlocked, cuz i know eventually i will

i dont get all the crying when its only been 3 days

[azure hare]

i ran nico with shit gear (left gear on my ssania team) and got nico to 35% or so with xiada team

if i had invested in that team instead i could have cleared it

[ornate moth]

what was the comp?

[tardy ocean]

Like, i didn't see people complaining that they weren't legend rank in Epic seven in the first week of Epic Seven's life span so idk.

[clever tapir]

100% a guildie of mine beat it

after 2 days of grinding hell 4

[azure hare]

was this the rosa viper person?

[clever tapir]

for speed tunings

[clever tapir]

nah xiadia

[azure hare]

ahh, there was a rosa viper user farming it 2 days

ago

2 minute clears on aut

[warped kestrel]

We're not complaining about PvP, we're complaining about autofarming equipment dungeons. We know that PvP is a different beast, but to even start thinking about PvP we need equipment.

[clever tapir]

oh i meant farming on hell 4 for 2 days in oder to beat inferno

[ruby canyon]

I do it with rosa viper too

it was not very consistent until I got revelaation on rosa then it was easy

[azure hare]

we dont talk about the r word

[clever tapir]

hmm should i do that too

how easy r u talking here

[ornate moth]

I think it's 2 things, 1 is that some people CAN just jump in within 3 days and easily clear the inferno content and keep progressing their account if they have Shadow Sania while others have to grind hell 4 for longer & GP outpost to build a bunch of different units to tackle inferno.
And 2, I think it's naive to think that when all the average progress players hit inferno they won't be like "wtf this is insane devs pls nerf"

[tardy ocean]

But it's all a part of the same bundle. You need to farm pve to be relevant in pvp, and people were farming PVE better and claiming the top ranks because they whaled in the game.

Sooo.

[worn wigeon]

It's going to be even worse when revelation gets nerfed

[ruby canyon]

uhhh they still hurt but like 3 min clears without being too scary

[clever tapir]

but its only been 3 days if its a week then sure

[azure hare]

average diting abuser take

[tardy ocean]

I don't believe it will, I could be wrong and will admit I am when it happens but I don't think Rev is getting touched

[clever tapir]

i see, im working on a rilmocha team but if rosa is easier i might switch

[ruby canyon]

there is no way they nerf revelation in pve without nerfing nico/aurora hp

[azure hare]

rosa is much better

[ornate moth]

great contribution thanks

[azure hare]

your contribution was meaningless too, just matching the energy

[ruby canyon]

I was talking niconana but yes doki works too

[clever tapir]

ohhhh

[worn wigeon]

I hope your right because 90% of the non shadow sania lily comps that complete it wouldn't be possible

[azure hare]

yeah rosa is also bis in aurora

[tardy ocean]

Brother...everyone is using ditting... how is using a unit abusing it? What is this take?

[azure hare]

shes worth it for the double and triple dip

[ornate moth]

I gave an opinion to explain something I think people aren't considering in their arguments, you just are hurling toxicity for no reason

[worn wigeon]

I think that's exactly what they will do. I can't see them leaving it because of how much it can impact pvp

[tardy ocean]

The fact you are saying people are "Abusing a unit" is just a meaningless contribution. In what world is Using the highest single dps "abusing it" hell its an SR at that... a unit that damn near everyone has at this point in the game and if you don't that is just L rng.

Like what is this logic.

[charred minnow]

there are ppl that don't have Diting yet F for them

[ornate moth]

It's just random anyway I've never even mentioned diting lol

[tardy ocean]

Like I said, that is just really sucky rng

[charred minnow]

yee

[worn wigeon]

I still don't have a Dinah 😂

[azure hare]

diting user brain - "content not clearable is too hard only applies if my diting cant clear the content"

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/what-wtf-eyes-look-phone-gif-3927559383930151204

whaaaat this boss has a mechanic

[ruby canyon]

dinah was on freya banner I mean that's just a choice at that point not to have her lmao

[tardy ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[worn wigeon]

To be fair diting has lost some relevance because of being forced to use multi hitters with revelation gear

[azure hare]

good

people no brained content with him

[ornate moth]

I never said anything was too hard and never brought up diting lmao idk what ur issue is

[worn wigeon]

Or I pulled a Freya right at the start in permanent banner

[azure hare]

now theyre getting to inferno and realizing they didnt build out a roster instead of uber dumping diting

[ruby canyon]

uhh the only alternative to diting for most situations is khloros which much less people have

[tardy ocean]

As I said before and will double down on this.

Begining to understand why your name is struglebusses. Low key...

[ruby canyon]

not many ST dps currently

[clever tapir]

@charred minnow hows sw so far

[ornate moth]

professional windmill fighter

[azure hare]

if youre only using single target sure

[charred minnow]

was making some icecream, I'm still in tutorial

[ruby canyon]

yes?? that's where diting is used

[charred minnow]

[azure hare]

theres plenty of other options to beat the mechanics

[wary fractal]

SUPSUP

[azure hare]

that just nuking

[timid wolf]

Your advice for a game this stingy with resources is go wide?

That's an interesting take

[tardy ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[ruby canyon]

right, go show me a way to beat inferno sharon or terror without nuking

[azure hare]

youve been given 8 resets?

how many more do you need

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[azure hare]

why do you need to farm those? farm doki until youre fast enough to clear terror?

[worn wigeon]

This chat is fun

[timid wolf]

We didn't know we were getting them and even so you would just be moving off one unit and into one other

[tardy ocean]

This guys takes makes Hassan sound smart.

[timid wolf]

You still aren't going wide there chief

[charred minnow]

yee just enjoy the ride and dump some gifs, talk shit, and have a laugh

whale game omgggg can't clear content without swiping

[timid wolf]

Guys this dude clears inferno. The secret is spread everything out, 5 star bunch of units diversify your roster

You got this

[azure hare]

outside of terror and hoyan, a team not named ssania has cleared all content in some way

[worn wigeon]

The funny thing is I don't even care that much 😂

[azure hare]

i use xiada

[charred minnow]

I mean I want it easier so it's less work for me to farm the gear

[azure hare]

but there was a massiah rosa clear prob 40 minutes ago in dokji

[ruby canyon]

terror is nukable with diting+khloros in like 1:10

[worn wigeon]

I just want them to give me a lily so I can join the meme team 😂

[charred minnow]

hope you pull her soon

[tardy ocean]

Man will say next that people beating aurora on higher levels are Viper Abusers

[charred minnow]

well they are >: (

[tardy ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-memes-ksi-thick-of-it-mods-discord-mod-gif-2830572923502966674

[worn wigeon]

Did a rage 10 pull and got a dupe Freya like 10 mins ago lol

[charred minnow]

clearly Viper is carrying right here

obv it's not Lily

[timid wolf]

Stop abusing dispel and do it as god intended

[ornate moth]

this EU server?

[charred minnow]

ye

[ornate moth]

cool thx for pic

[charred minnow]

what would Lily do that Viper wouldn't

[tardy ocean]

#DPSitOut

[charred minnow]

I mean they still use Diting

they do both

[ruby canyon]

they're literally just running lily viper ling valerian cause I did, if only they knew mia would trivialise the fight but I just dont have her

[tardy ocean]

But if you use Ditting your an abuser!

[azure hare]

and their smooth brain will still complain about how high the stat requirement is lmao

[tardy ocean]

If you use anything in this game to this guy you are abusing something

[timid wolf]

I can't wait until the imminent revelation nerf comes

[charred minnow]

obv this guy is a Vice abuser

[tardy ocean]

psst It's not. psst

[azure hare]

people will just cook something else up then

the community will always be smarter than the devs

[charred minnow]

my White fang deals more dmg than Revelation in Inferno

[worn wigeon]

I'm waiting for the I haven't pulled a vice yet 😂

[ornate moth]

vice abuser smoothbrains when the content doesn't allow vice

[timid wolf]

Then you have it on the wrong character lol

[charred minnow]

ah yes my main dps Freya with the Revelation is gonna carry me

[ornate moth]

this is how I beat kururu in ethernet yesterday lmao

I have no good green or light dps

[charred minnow]

they have a lot less max hp

[timid wolf]

No but it is the only reason Xiada and Rosa can clear doki

[arctic plover]

just make sure not to put revelation on diting

like some people do

[azure hare]

well they have the iq of a squirrel so cant really blame them

[timid wolf]

You wouldnt happen to be a big rick and Morty fan would you?

[charred minnow]

PICKLE RIICCKK

you wouldn't understand why it's funny

[arctic plover]

they've heard diting is a great dps
revelation is the best dps shell

so clearly it goes into a square hole

well at least they didn't put it on borgne like prydwen once used to suggest

[charred minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8ssH7LiB0&ab_channel=PlanetTok

avg Diting Revelation main

[ornate moth]

what is your beef with diting lmao

[ruby canyon]

what

[arctic plover]

they fixed it but they forgor that you have to crit to proc it 😄

[ornate moth]

diting kicked this guy's dog

[ruby canyon]

I swear prydwen is usually good with builds and tier lists but with etheria they blow so hard

[arctic plover]

nah, it's ok, just an oopsie

[azure hare]

the average user of him has shit for brains, they saw content creators mention it and now that they got to hard content and they cant force it in they cry

[tribal osprey]

Nah it’s not that bad

[ruby canyon]

he still only has single hits

[charred minnow]

he has 2 hits on his ult if his passive lines up

that one extra hit is all the difference

literally double dmg

[timid wolf]

Unlike other characters like Rosa with all of their nuance?

[azure hare]

https://tenor.com/view/idiocracy-dumb-gif-22939957

[charred minnow]

FuA goes brrr

[arctic plover]

it's possible for people to not build crit on supports

[timid wolf]

He is a reliable and flexible until you can invest in safely. Shocking that people use him lol

[arctic plover]

then be like

[ornate moth]

too bad that doesn't describe me. I built him before CCs started recommending him like the literal genius I am. I watch Rick and Morty ffs

[arctic plover]

why rosa no damage I am gettign so unlucky with fuas

[sudden wedge]

when people ask whether atk or cd is better on diting

[azure hare]

this conversation clearly went over your head

[timid wolf]

Don't you have a Reddit to moderate?

[ornate moth]

probably several

[azure hare]

kinda wish i was a mod

youd see a lot less stupidity

[arctic plover]

eh, that's kind of not a dumb question.

in beta my diting had higher damage with crit crit atk than crit crit crit. As diting's crit gets dilluted it's the only dps where atk is good.

I guess atk can be good on rev users too.

[timid wolf]

You should apply you already sound like one

[azure hare]

guys my diting cant clear inferno, why is the game so hard

theres mechanics i have to read?!

[sudden wedge]

no I mean it’s just basic arithmetic

[azure hare]

but volkin didnt tell me about that

[ornate moth]

ironic that ur talking about things going over people's heads

[arctic plover]

yeah, that's fair

btu what really grinds my gears when people say that using critrate modules is better than using critdamage modules on diting

[ruby canyon]

they are lmao

[azure hare]

well 40% is better than 60A%

[arctic plover]

because it's 150% conversion!!

[ornate moth]

ppl don't realize the cdmg modules have different values than crate ones I guess lol

[ruby canyon]

they're equal but you still want 100% crit outside of marked targets for lily FUAs

[clever tapir]

did scarlet and oasis disband? they no longer on union rankings

[ruby canyon]

so crit rate is literally just better than cd

[azure hare]

its based on contribution

they likely did their weekly things yesterday

[clever tapir]

for wyrms? anchor point?

[arctic plover]

yeah but you don't go 140% critrate as base, do you?

[azure hare]

the weekly quests + wyrm would knock them out if they did the weekly quests yesterday

[clever tapir]

Oooo i see

[ruby canyon]

it doesn't matter at that point, CR=CD, but I'd probably use 1 attack module if you have that many crit substats

[timid wolf]

So it is more complicated than just go CD 😛

[azure hare]

its a dumb system tbh

it should just be based on wrym damage

[arctic plover]

against marked targets it doesn't matter and against nonmarked you stay around 100% cr

[clever tapir]

yea

[azure hare]

and then gvg when we have it

[arctic plover]

it just doesn't matter. In most cases you will attack marked targets so just pick the one that rolled better or has better matrices

it's misleading to say that crate module is better or that cdamage module is better

[ruby canyon]

I think prydwen says crit rate >= crit damage which seems a fair assessment

[ornate moth]

how consistent is your sania strategy for sharon? I was trying to use cachi yesterday but kept failing with the boss at like 10-20%

[arctic plover]

right, but they claim atk is worse

which is very often not true

usually double crit and single atk will be your highest damage layout

[ruby canyon]

lingluo is more consistent on auto because of immunity for me, but cachi should be even better if you have him built

[timid wolf]

I use one atk and one of each crit because my subs suck

[charred minnow]

is this for inferno sharon

[ruby canyon]

maybe try to use 1 eff res piece on your supps

[ruby canyon]

yes

my initial clear was with sania but that's just cause I don't have mia

same reason my aurora clear was so slow... I have to lily s2 lingluo because I have no usable 2nd healer

if ppl knew how good mia was

they'd use her everywhere

[charred minnow]

would you use mia instead of lingluo on sharon

I can try it out

[ornate moth]

codex mia with high speed u think?

[ruby canyon]

well better than sania or lingluo because lingluo takes 300% dmg on inferno

so it's inconsitent cause if sharon crits lingluo eats up valerian cheat death and diting doesnt get attack buffed anymore

[ornate moth]

I think I need to farm some aurora and swap my diting from 12 keen/8 onslaught to 12 keen/8 fury

[charred minnow]

what shell on mia/lingluo?

[ruby canyon]

I use supernova but gigabyte is generally better on that fight

[charred minnow]

hmm I have both

Mia need skill ups or nah?

[ruby canyon]

hmm I don't think so

[charred minnow]

imma throw in a try

[ruby canyon]

my lingluo is 1/1/1 fwiw

[charred minnow]

suppose lily W into support

[ruby canyon]

no diting

[charred minnow]

ah ight

[ruby canyon]

the dps check is rough

if they evolve fully you basically die

immunity prevents them evolving

[charred minnow]

yeah noticed haha

lemme put Revelation on Diting real quick

[torpid willow]

When is the next patch?

[ornate moth]

this was like every attempt I did yesterday, just need more damage honestly

but gonna try mia just in case it's better

[ruby canyon]

like you can see here, this guy has 1/1/1 mia and it's fine (whale with 5/5 dupes tho but shouldn't matter)

[charred minnow]

oh

I forgot gigabyte on Lily

[ruby canyon]

if you have khloros you can also just double dps and nuke her down

[charred minnow]

I do

[ruby canyon]

yeah do that

[ornate moth]

I was running artisan lily but maybe gigabyte is better, it seems to only be useful if she shields diting with artisan

[ruby canyon]

for sharon? she and her adds dispel buffs so the shield will prolly just get eaten for free

[charred minnow]

Mia didn't work out hehe

but can't be blamed have her on 4 star lv2 lmao

[ruby canyon]

also why you need valerian to constantly reapply the atk buff, otw it just gets dispelled instantly and diting is weak 😦

[gilded mirage]

Rengokutsu Inferno immune to DoT, Shadow Sanias in shambles

[ruby canyon]

I tried freya initially it was rubbish

[ornate moth]

yeah I read the mechs of the adds but didn't notice shield getting dispelled much idk. Gonna try gigabyte anyway

[ruby canyon]

adept got rengo, it's actually insane RNG though, I tried for like 40 mins before just taking the L and -1 stamina

[gilded mirage]

Yeah this gonna take a while to clear

[ornate moth]

adds evolved super fast with mia 😭

[ruby canyon]

I'm stocking up stamina, I don't really wanna farm runes before 2x either so I have 8 gold lattice rotting

[ruby canyon]

hmmmm you'd have to have mia go right after sharon+adds to actually dispel, or have a cachi/lingluo fast enough to go before and apply immunity

[ornate moth]

yeah I figured out the speed for cachi, he goes before sharon+adds at the start, and with Mia I had her going after them. I think I just lack a bit of damage tbh

[ruby canyon]

that makes sense I was lacking a bit of dmg initially too

needed valerian to immune diting and hope it didn't get dispelled so diting could live and finish her

[ornate moth]

I GOT IT

[ruby canyon]

gz!

[charred minnow]

what was the build

[ornate moth]

that was so rng lol no way I can auto farm it but I think gigabyte instead of artisan was the game changer

so thx for that tip

[ornate moth]

Diting white fang 5/5/5 with 186 speed, Lily gigabyte with 279 speed and 83% eff res 5/5/1, Valerian 1/1/5 on gigabyte with 153 speed and 46k HP, Cachi the guard on halloween with 247 speed 1/1/3

sets were 12 keeneye/8 onslaught on diting but fury would be much better. 12 wellspring 4 cure on valerian, just 12 swiftrush and random raindbow pieces on lily and cachi

would def be more consistent with more dmg on diting and s3 lv5 on cachi

[ruby canyon]

now beat her 10x for the hyperlink charter lmao

[torpid willow]

Come on, you have to play a farming stage like it's an Abyss floor from Epic Seven — PvE right now is a joke

[ruby canyon]

tbh it's the most doable shell on auto I think (minus ssania stuff)

[ornate moth]

yeah I just saw the next page of the shell charter LOL

10 nico inferno 10 sharon inferno and 1 hoyan inferno

gonna be a while

[ruby canyon]

hoyan is tough, maybe obol lily can work

with S1 lvl5

[twilit vault]

Celince to disable adds?

[ruby canyon]

yea or kazuyo

[ornate moth]

do you think rc-77 has value for any of these inferno bosses, I was looking at his kit yesterday and felt like it had some potential

[ruby canyon]

yep rc77 is great for ssanialess niconana

[uncut mica]

pretty nice for def breaking aurora and niconana

[ornate moth]

only problem is his stun isn't useful on auto

[uncut mica]

also extending the speed down from your viper

[ornate moth]

I was thinking of fanguss rc-77 combo without ssania but idk if that's a good idea

since fanguss also applies spd down and then rc extends the spd down + the dots

[ruby canyon]

nah just rosa revelation with rc77 works

[ornate moth]

I got no rosa sadly

just xiada

[ruby canyon]

ah xiada

yes

you'd have to get spd down

somewhere else

probably viper is just better then?

[charred minnow]

finally

[ornate moth]

marvell/fanguss/viper or like amber kloss lol

[ornate moth]

niceee

[charred minnow]

thanks @ornate moth and @ruby canyon

just needed the push to restart a bit

time to go to sharon jail

[ornate moth]

dang I know he's good I just hate his design lool and wanted to make rc-77 work somewhere

[charred minnow]

so do I build Xiada or Rosa for Aurora, both are baddies, both do nice dmg

can't chose

[ruby canyon]

who are you using for doki

just go all in on one dps for both

[fallen rune]

can you use both xiada and rosa for aurora? I was thinking of going all in on Rosa for both but idk if Xiada is just better in doki2 but unusable in Aurora

[ruby canyon]

no both are great for both

xiada is slightly better in doki, rosa is slightly better in aurora

just make sure to use revelation ofc

[fallen rune]

yeah, ok, leaning towards rosa since doki2 doesn't seem too bad and she can be used in PvP too

[ruby canyon]

as a bonus rosa can clear niconana very well if you dont have SSania

[fallen rune]

ahh yes, alright thanks, think I'm going all in on Rosa later

[torpid willow]

What do you mean 'very well'? In Inferno? You literally depend on RNG, on getting a lucky run — and forget about auto, you won’t even come close

[charred minnow]

none of those 2 used massiah

[ornate moth]

wish I had mio, she seems super value for niconana without ssania

[ruby canyon]

rosa is very expensive tbf, you'd really like 4/5/5

[charred minnow]

Xiada wants 1/5/5 pref right

or atleast that's min

[ornate moth]

yeah

[ruby canyon]

what rng, lingluo gives immunity for the stuns and viper just needs enough effhit? also no non-ssania comps can really auto it very well atm

[ornate moth]

my inferno doki with her is like 60% success but someone in my union has made more upgrades to the same team than me and has closer to 80-90%

not sure how aurora will be with her, I have 100% success on h4 but haven't unlocked inferno aurora yet

[torpid willow]

Show me a video with 5 consecutive auto runs without failing and done consistently

[ruby canyon]

for inferno aurora you'd like mia+lingluo or a fully maxed healer on cure set + supernova, cause the heal checks are pretty crazy

[ornate moth]

idk if there's any inferno content other than doki that non-ssania teams can fit this criteria for tbh

[charred minnow]

I was thinking Lily W on Lingluo and go for a slower run

[torpid willow]

You think that’s not a big deal? That’s already a massive gap compared to the rest of the players

[ruby canyon]

we know it's a big deal

just try to farm what you can, they'll probably nerf a few of the bosses anyway

[charred minnow]

glad I upgraded viper

[ruby canyon]

they had quick responses for the other stuff

[ruby canyon]

without the mia DR you might need a hp module on rosa, not joking she actually just dies

[charred minnow]

I'm looking at a Xiada run rn

with similar gear to me

uses Valerian + Lingluo and Lily W on Lingluo

[ornate moth]

what shells?

[charred minnow]

I might try it with 1/1/5 Xiada, as I think the skill 2 lv5 isn't that big of a deal

can almost replicate all those stats except for skill 2 lv5 on Xiada hehe

[ruby canyon]

holy fuck that viper build

[charred minnow]

got the same

just a bit less speed

had the wrong pieces

imma try tomorrow no refreshes atm to grind GP Outpost

[ruby canyon]

you could stock up stamina and wait for the 2x

[charred minnow]

nah

idm losing out a bit

I want to try out builds rn hehe

[ruby canyon]

fair enough

there's no more first clears to take so im saving

[charred minnow]

I have paper hands

used around 18 or so idk

[ruby canyon]

I'm similar, lvl 59 atm

some people are still pushing hard past 62 even

[charred minnow]

they should limit the bonus runs for 2x 🧢

[charred minnow]

saw someone with 74 iirc

[brittle osprey]

oh wow theres a thread on this

[charred minnow]

mb I lied

[ruby canyon]

ah I meant lvl 62 not stam pots lol

[brittle osprey]

is it just containment zone tho

[charred minnow]

ooooo

well both are impressive hahah

72 stam pots and lv62 both impressive

[ruby canyon]

impressive discipline and lack of discipline respectively

[charred minnow]

I'm only going to do full refresh few mins before reset

[rigid drift]

Rosa or Xiada? Wich one would be better to invest into?

[charred minnow]

and manage my daily energy to make sure I have max energy at reset

that's about the extend of my dedication right there

[charred minnow]

both are good

I see more Rosa potential for other content, but same goes for Xiada

just build both

[rigid drift]

which one deserves to eat all the golden lattices first?

[warped kestrel]

Yep

[ruby canyon]

that's tough they're both lattice whores

[rigid drift]

i want the best investment. only got lattices for one of them

[ruby canyon]

yeah maybe rosa

altho

[charred minnow]

well you'll get more lattice eventually

[ruby canyon]

if you wanna farm doki easy xiada maybe

rosa is slightly worse at doki

[rigid drift]

does rosa clear doki inferno if i dont have lily?

[ruby canyon]

uhh slowly probably

xiada is better without lily

[charred minnow]

guildie got close with this team in Doki doki inferno

[rigid drift]

or just get a max s3 on rilmocha for doki
and build rosa for all the other content?

Maybe thats better

[ruby canyon]

I do my auto clears with tiamat too, my rosa isn't quite built enough

or im missing speed tuning or w/e

[ornate moth]

how slow are tia clears? I maxed her out in beta and hit inferno and she felt like she fell off a lot as a main carry cause of the soft enrages most modes have

[charred minnow]

no lilies in sight

[ruby canyon]

it was 4 min but i rolled 28% hp and 12% crit now on her shell so maybe faster

[ruby canyon]

for auto doki with tia you gotta put the big guy in 2nd wave as prio in settings

[ornate moth]

I don't even have tia on my launch account lol just curious about her viability these days

[ruby canyon]

ah yeah it's fine in content where you can run sania

because sania essentially gives her 40% dmg amp

[rigid drift]

Uh i see a new team emerged that insanely fast clears on Doki with rilmocha, lingluo, kloss, Yang, Kazuyo

[ruby canyon]

I think with 1 crit module mine can do pretty well

she'll be 82% crit

and crit dmg from lily

[wispy crag]

ong? i did 1 5 2 4 3

[ornate moth]

wtf lol, diting inferno doki

[ruby canyon]

yoo that's actually fast af

oh it's rilmocha

ofc

[ornate moth]

my best is 1:39 with xiada

[wispy crag]

ggs bricked

[keen tinsel]

He knows something we don’t

[spare oasis]

Is s3 max enough for massiah to clear inferno doki?

[ruby canyon]

yeah it's safe but not fast, definitely going with rosa

[lilac idol]

36 sec hell nico clear

[brave heath]

This is inferno doki right, was telling somebody that first team comp should clear pretty easy

[charred minnow]

yeah that's doki

[brave heath]

Will see tmrw

[charred minnow]

guildie did dokidoki with Diting 💀

[brave heath]

That is a team for sure

[ruby canyon]

ooooh celince blocks the DR?

[brave heath]

Ye celince works

[limber palm]

Inferno niconana

[brave heath]

Auto or manual for that Nico team

[limber palm]

Let me check

[limber palm]

Full auto

[brave heath]

Nice

[torpid willow]

5.46 minutes in "auto farm" content, holy

[charred minnow]

it was a manual run too 💀

so it was way longer than 5min haha

[brave heath]

Imagine trying to dump all ur stabilizers with 6+ min manual

💀

[torpid willow]

When is the next patch supposed to be? Something needs to be done as soon as possible

[torpid willow]

And on top of that, with the insane RNG that run has 💀😂

[brave heath]

I just hope like 240 acc imo is enough for inferno freeze rate to be fine

Acc imo*

Dude autocorrect sucks

Mio

[charred minnow]

new balance patch dropped, all inferno bosses getting buffed as ppl are already clearing endgame content which is not in the spirit of the dev team +100% hp +100% defence

[crude sparrow]

more of a hotfix

[crude sparrow]

SSania would not care

[charred minnow]

ssshhh that's the point

[crude sparrow]

you forgot now immune to dot

[charred minnow]

no they take double dmg from dot now

[brave heath]

Only damage and debuffs from light and dark units affects bosses in inferno.

[torpid willow]

The real question is: who thought it was a good idea to buff all the PvE bosses for launch without testing anything, completely breaking any sense of balance? Wasn't the beta supposed to be for making those kinds of adjustments?

[charred minnow]

ye they made adjustments

after seeing ppl having too much fun, they pumped up those numbers

[arctic plover]

Fixed abnormal behavior of hyperlinkers enjoying our game.

[ornate moth]

I'm up to like 70% success with Xiada team, average time is like 2:15. Just fails if they stun/focus down xiada wave 2

[torpid willow]

A 70% success rate is a huge stamina loss if it’s content you’re going to be grinding for hours

[ruby canyon]

3% loss is really not that bad, your personal luck with modules will be much more impactful

[arctic plover]

puts beyontin glasses on

akshually 70% success rate is a 4.3% energy loss

[clever tapir]

was prob too easy in beta

[torpid willow]

I wouldn’t want to find myself farming content with a 70% win rate and losing stamina. My idea is to farm EXP/GP until they fix the PvE issue or people come up with really solid teams

[ruby canyon]

yeah fair enough you're right

[ruby canyon]

dont farm xp just do gp then your characters will reach cap naturally so quickly

[loud locust]

looks like we’ve found some decent builds with low investment srs/r’s for most of the inferno content now? where are we still struggling most

[charred minnow]

rengokutsu is still not really consistent, ShadowFlame Hoyan is still only Ssania lily iirc, but I've heard of ppl trying out Obol

[ruby canyon]

aurora feels really bad, and rengo requires insane rng

[loud locust]

aurora i expect to be the last

shit looks very unforgiving

[loud locust]

thank you so much for being involved and working together with people here

[ruby canyon]

yeah the problem is sania doesn't work and there's not enough healers in the roster yet

so lily is the second best ''healer'' after lingluo by cycling lingluo really fast

and resetting her cds

[charred minnow]

#1384230665461170346 message @loud locust not sure if you've seen it but here are some screens of some misinfo

[loud locust]

feels like a lot of thints still need lily

[arctic plover]

Mia is good actually

cd reset is great

[ruby canyon]

most people do not have Mia

[loud locust]

ah some localization errors

[ruby canyon]

non-rate up SSR

[arctic plover]

that is true, there is no universe where anyone would even think of using selective on her

[charred minnow]

after 2x event imma build to see how good she can replace Lily

[ruby canyon]

Chiaki is better if you're gonna raise an SR healer

[charred minnow]

this is not a healer

[ruby canyon]

oh

[charred minnow]

s2 is kind of like lily s2 only no twin trick shenanigans

[ruby canyon]

yeah that's pretty decent

[charred minnow]

but still with lv5 crit it's a gain turn

[ruby canyon]

do you have tsukiyo mi?

[charred minnow]

and random turn meter+ in S1

[charred minnow]

who

[arctic plover]

mom we have beyontin at home

[ruby canyon]

the budget lily

[charred minnow]

oooh yeye I do

but I want to try and focus on SRs

[uncut mica]

I really wanna try Tsutomu in Inferno Terror but need to wait for 2x before building him

[charred minnow]

ultimate goal would be a full or almost full SR team clearing Inferno

[graceful juniper]

Need to wait dev reply

[warped kestrel]

Full SR team with maybe 1 SSR that new players can choose with their selector, which is how many of these gachas handle the staple equipment dungeon - give all the units for it one way or another so no one gets walled out of progress due to RNG

[charred minnow]

yeah basically and with a benchmark of 70% succes rate on auto 90% on manual as there's still an innate 10% chance debuffs won't stick

[warped kestrel]

I don't know why the game didn't launch with something like this from the get-go...

No one should ever be walled out of basic progress

[loud locust]

I have no idea how to comprehend this honestly u gotta elaborate… they didnt hotfix change anything

[ornate moth]

From what I've seen Inferno without DoT team is either Khloros+Diting+Veronika specifically, or really slow tank maxxing clears with mass artisans or helkid+chiaki the guard etc., Nico has some non-DoT clears but a lot of them rely on Mio. Rosa seems to be able to handle it pretty well if you have her and is probably the most hopeful option rn for a non LD SSR team. Hoyan idk the only non DoT clear I've seen is a guy who has probably spent thousands using a whaled out massiah + double healer + max skills lily for a slow manual clear. And rengo idk

[loud locust]

I was looking at the mio ones but couldnt you achieve the same thing mio is doing with combo of marvell/vice/kloss?

[uncut mica]

They're referring to the Revelation in battle buff text which has been saying it's only 40% since the beta while the text on the shell itself makes no mention of it

[charred minnow]

wtf shadowflame hoyan inferno

[loud locust]

ok ill ask the team

[charred minnow]

it still has ssania, but no lily

[sacred mirage]

Can you speak on th3 supposed "bug" for r3velation cuz i have 2x fully built and if those get touched cuz of a tool tip nobody reads ima be incensed ngl

[charred minnow]

literal full DoT team

[loud locust]

tysm rath. Still haven’t found a strategy outside of artisan great walling huh

[storm schooner]

Just another dot team

[fallen rune]

5 star ssania, 4 star sr

but dots are fine

[storm schooner]

I heard you guys were finding "low investment teams" for Inferno

[charred minnow]

yeah but atleast only 1 ld

[storm schooner]

[warped kestrel]

That's a team I can build

[loud locust]

ur always incensed 😆 but yea gonna ask

[ruby canyon]

ehh you'd need another source of spd buff which basically goes back to using mio/lily

[sacred mirage]

Cuz i keep trying to play the game and getting punished for trying to do so

[ornate moth]

Potentially - mio is just really ideal for nico because she does speed up + turn meter pushback + freeze for the adds with decent cooldowns. Marvell it feels like his cooldown being so long will need a lot of help, Vice seems good too. But you always want spd up + spd down so any unit that doesn't provide one of those pieces loses a bit of value IMO because it means you need an extra unit to cover that

[loud locust]

I cursed you personally

[charred minnow]

no shadow sania, still lily

[arctic plover]

I've found a screenshot from the beta, apparently the tooltip was wrong for a while, they were confused why did it differ from the shell itself.

[ornate moth]

3 codexes... back to the rengo hell mines 😭

[charred minnow]

\

[ornate moth]

is this hoyan?

[charred minnow]

yes

[loud locust]

damn yeah okay I can see why even with kloss/vice you still cant rly match mio

[ornate moth]

oh nice ty for pic

[loud locust]

didnt realize she was that sick

[uncut mica]

Doki team with only 1 SSR
Rilmocha - Count. Cracked gear and proper shell passive though
Chiaki the echo - codex
Grey - Needs to be giga fast to lap Rilmocha to get the def down up
Kazuyo - Codex
Marvell - Codex speed down and res down debuff and pushback.

Provided your Rilmocha is fully set up on Momentum + Fury with triple CD right side she should just about one shot wave 1 and all but the mid mob in wave 2

[storm schooner]

Is this for NicoNana Inferno without dot? your main carry also needs above 180 spd itself on sheet cause my 179 spd Khloros still does no dmg with both spd+ and spd-

[sacred mirage]

Just explaining the heat. It feels like any headway made is an issue so im scared to invest any resources cuz there's no guarantee they will be compensated and I spent real money for it

[loud locust]

on itt

[loud locust]

it was like this in beta too you shouldnt be concerned

[ruby canyon]

I think Doki is definitely the least of a problem

[ornate moth]

yeah - ok good to know I didn't realize the dps needed a certain base speed too

[loud locust]

yeah easnt a big deal yday

[ruby canyon]

terror, aurora, shell bosses are all really frustrating for non-ssania havers

[storm schooner]

Idk the exact number just know that low spd on my Khloros is the main reason I can't clear atm

[loud locust]

well not aurora

[ornate moth]

shell bosses are the most surprising one to be so crazy difficult without specific LD SSRs tbh. Because for the entire rest of the game my strategy (and most strategic player strategies) is focus shells first when hitting any new difficulty for the guaranteed stat upgrades

[ruby canyon]

aurora is frustrating for everyone

[ornate moth]

it feels weird to be able to clear doki inferno but not shell bosses lol

[loud locust]

mainly terror and niconana seem to be the worst ones if u dont have ssania?

[charred minnow]

Diting using Count is not that bad

getting a nice heal for sustain

[ornate moth]

hoyan even more than nico I think. But otherwise yeah

[storm schooner]

It's pretty much just S. Sania no? barely any teams aside from S. Sania cleared anything

[ruby canyon]

actually niconana is not as bad as hoyan

[storm schooner]

[arctic plover]

niconana is the easiest of the shell bosses

[storm schooner]

Except for Sharon who is completely immune

[charred minnow]

@loud locust no shadow sania here only lily, is for Hoyan, was a pretty consistent clear too from what I saw in vid

[ornate moth]

I was able to beat sharon but I did use lily

[loud locust]

niconana still needs lily/mio on teams though

[storm schooner]

Terror you can do with a dual dps + Veronika set up

[loud locust]

yeah i heard ab that

rosa right

or is it more khloros diting

[fallen rune]

diting/khloros + veronika

[storm schooner]

Did you just

ASk

If

Rosa is used

[cedar aspen]

zaixwi has been warned

Reason: Spam

[ornate moth]

nico team from a union mate, but manual clear

[storm schooner]

On Terror Inferno?

[cedar aspen]

zaixwi has been warned

Reason: Spam

[storm schooner]

[cedar aspen]

zaixwi has been warned

Reason: Spam

[ruby canyon]

khloros + veronika is quite difficult for most ppl when neither are rate up though

[storm schooner]

stfu Etheria bot

[loud locust]

someone was using her

ig it was doki

oops

wouldnt make sense for terror

[ruby canyon]

yeah rosa would insta die lol

[loud locust]

mhm

[arctic plover]

hear me out, 400 speed veronika to give rosa immortality /j

[loud locust]

seems like most accounts will have an option or two for half of the inferno stuff but be doomed for the other half of them depending on account rng

[bitter belfry]

Insane spd requires too

[storm schooner]

My biggest issue with the inferno stages is just how specific the teams that don't abuse a broken mechanic are to clear with

[ornate moth]

I have 15/26 SSRs with 4 dupes pulled and 3/6 LDs, somehow have none of: Mio, Shadow Sania, Veronika, Khloros, Rosa lol

[loud locust]

abuse is the funniest word

in this server

[charred minnow]

which ngl is kinda normal in a gacha game

[storm schooner]

This is under the assumption those units are heavily invested into btw

[storm schooner]

23/26 SSRs here

Missing Holden, S. Sania and Xiada

[wispy crag]

[loud locust]

new releases don’t get any grace unfortunately

[ornate moth]

yeah, non-luckchads will have to spend a week building their cachi the guard, viper, mia etc. while luckchads farm endless inferno gear with DoT 😭

[uncut mica]

for Terror I think you can manage it with one SSR on full auto with that being Holden but would need to actually test the team
Holden - Fastest in team to strip immunity. Probably Artisan for extra survivability to the team
Tsutomu - Secondary DPS puts buff block up on main body preventing the def up from landing for a few turns. Actually should have fairly respectable damage with his 480% mod S3 into 320% S2 (800% over 2 turns) and can be built triple CD rightside on Count.
Diting - Big Deeps with 970% over 2 turns
Dinah - Def break and damage amp
Valerian - This is a quick kill team so should be fine

everyone would need cracked gear though

[charred minnow]

I mean I don't blame em hahah, I would've loved it easier too

[storm schooner]

Honestly it's infuriating how stupid the statchecks on Inferno are when you can just dot half of them

[loud locust]

expected for inferno anyways

[ornate moth]

if I cannot clear inferno terrormaton TONIGHT then why was I even born

[loud locust]

keep that energy let’s see what happens fr

😍😋❤️

[ornate moth]

[charred minnow]

back to the womb with you

[charred minnow]

gotta wait another 9 months

[loud locust]

ur so goated for these

[sacred mirage]

Wish the dev team used beta to actually test the content instead of shitpost when expectations of wasted money arent seen positively ngl

Shit take bro

[ruby canyon]

most of the frustration comes from some people just being able to cheese it with 0 gear or thought invested while others are stuck waiting for an indeterminate amount of time for gear or better SSR pulls

[ornate moth]

codex diting?

[storm schooner]

They did test it then buffed it to extreme lvls

Inferno was much easier on beta

lmfao

[frozen stone]

Why this wasn’t expected for shadow Saina and lily teams

[ornate moth]

beta also ended before normal players could reach inferno, only sweats got in there

[frozen stone]

Or just because they are ld units

[storm schooner]

Ngl I almost quit when I saw the 4* lvl 1 0 lattice S. Sania clear inferno NicoNana

[sacred mirage]

Guild wars are gonna be run by ssania owners

[storm schooner]

This was KNOWN to happen why else do you think Aurora became immune to dot?

[ornate moth]

There's indications that devs knew to some extent how broken DoT is but clearly they were not fully aware

[loud locust]

beta players are still only a fraction of the playerbase (we had 1m players in under 48hrs) , so yes a lot of it does come from new releases being under a more intense microscope when things are sensitive and emotional and people are quicker to complain than to strategize. It doesn’t mean frustration isn’t valid lol

obv when money is involved it will be sensitive and emotional as well

[storm schooner]

If you had seen some of the crashouts over inferno in Oasis

[sacred mirage]

Competitive integrity of the game is being lost with each passing day. That matters tio

[frozen stone]

Yeah either you expected to have cracked gears or just pulls 2 ld units with you mom’s credit card

[uncut mica]

Codex Diting could work I guess if he really needs the extra boost but it might not be worth it vs the extra 1200 raw attack from the buff + 300 raw attack from the shell stat itself

[frozen stone]

Good game design

[charred minnow]

still no EU rengokutsu clear

[storm schooner]

It would've been fine if they didn't mega buff inferno though

[uncut mica]

Count also eases up on the healing significantly for your DPS from the life leech

[storm schooner]

[sacred mirage]

If this is what was coming id have stayed on e7

[charred minnow]

I should find a team

[storm schooner]

It was clearable on Beta with good teams

[ornate moth]

I fully agree with this though. I like challenging content, if everyone had to keep building stronger gear and investing in new niche units to overcome boss mechanics that would be fine. But it's frustrating to see hundreds or thousands of people breezing through inferno content with low investment while others have to take the hard way

[loud locust]

I think it’s always gonna be a risk spending and trying to max things within the first week/two though before more stragies are developed

[charred minnow]

and get my name on it

[storm schooner]

Now you just get put in the dirt

[charred minnow]

that's not a problem if you spend enough

[loud locust]

yep and have been in here a ton criticizing this heavy

[loud locust]

like I dont have rilmocha or lily or ssania

this game has been tucking hard

[wispy crag]

ggs bricked

[loud locust]

but I’m slowly finding my way forward

[storm schooner]

Rilmocha is such an overrated unit it's not even funny anymore

She brings literally NOTHING to the table

That others can't do

[charred minnow]

eh

disagree

[storm schooner]

Give me 1 piece of content Rilmocha clears that others can't

Her domain is DokiDoki which even GRAY THE STARTER UNIT

Can clear

[charred minnow]

bad way too look at any units

[loud locust]

exactly though. Everyone was saying pull her pull her nevessary and all of a sudden the agenda flipped. same agenda flipping with sssania. lily always just been known unfortunately but 😔

[storm schooner]

What is her niche over just clearing Doki slightly faster on farm?

[charred minnow]

Rilmocha has brought me a lot of joy in RTA

[sly ravine]

don't shit talk my rat, she carried me in rally

[storm schooner]

I've called Rilmocha trash since beta

[ruby canyon]

technically everything can be cleared without SSania or Lily too doesn't mean they aren't super useful

[wispy crag]

not rly lol

[storm schooner]

I love seeing Rilmochas freest wins of my life

[uncut mica]

Cleave anchor on Keeneye/Bulwark Count. always funny when people run into her

[loud locust]

she’s still strong but not the only solution like everyonr and their mom were saying

[ruby canyon]

name one thing that can't be cleared by SSania or Lily

without*

[warped kestrel]

Rilmocha is a great cleave unit for PvP, but like most units, you have to pick her at the right time

[storm schooner]

She's wasted resources imo

[loud locust]

my point being in the first week/two it’s important to not rush things if you are worried about ur spending, but ofc that doesnt mean there arent flaws to be looked at

[storm schooner]

Bro she can't kill shit

[charred minnow]

damn you know everything right

[storm schooner]

I run into 6* lvl 50 12 lattice Rilmochas on full gear

[arctic plover]

the void, or whatever the name is also annoying on her

[storm schooner]

They can't kill anything

[sacred mirage]

If it feels bad to spend that surely is a bottom line issue ngl

[ornate moth]

but how will I know which GP Outpost to farm on 2x if I don't know which sleeper units will be good in Inferno :(

[storm schooner]

No but I know a lot

[ruby canyon]

you farm all of them 🙂

[loud locust]

we must figure it out before then. We still have time

😆

[ruby canyon]

broken units will come out in every colour

[charred minnow]

Rilmocha is still able to clear Inferno Dokidoki

[loud locust]

day 2 progress going well

we will have accessible strats by then

[storm schooner]

You can clear inferno Doki with Rahu and Xiada as well easily

[loud locust]

for most pol

[charred minnow]

ok so

[storm schooner]

Massiah as well

[ornate moth]

I think Rilmocha is still the best for inferno Doki. But not by NEARLY as much as people were saying

[charred minnow]

you can clear terror with multilple teams, can clear aurora with multiple teams

[wispy crag]

rahu needs so much more investment to clear doki than others

[charred minnow]

what's your point being?

[storm schooner]

About the same as Rilmocha except he also has way more use in other places

[loud locust]

massiah users 😍😋😋😍

[storm schooner]

[charred minnow]

can clear niconana with multiple teams

[ruby canyon]

btw @loud locust do you know if they're hellbent on keeping the -1 stamina on defeat? cause it really makes trying to find strats or progressing feel frustrating

[charred minnow]

can clear shadowflame hoyan with multiple teams

[loud locust]

they are keeping it

[ruby canyon]

goddamn it

[loud locust]

lal

sorry

[wispy crag]

no not rly rilmocha is much better than rahu in doki u cant deny he has LONG ass clears

[ruby canyon]

np

not your fault

[charred minnow]

dw he knows a lot

[loud locust]

it feels balanced for me but in these trying times its not as fun

[storm schooner]

Sure she can clear faster but that's about it and outside of Doki I'd take Rahu any day

Her use outside of Doki is so limited

[ornate moth]

I probably lost 20 stamina from -1s trying to beat Sharon inferno yesterday lmao

[loud locust]

#rahulove<3

[storm schooner]

When comparing to the other Doki dps

[loud locust]

#rilmocharathate<3

[arctic plover]

pretty sure you don't lose on restarts. To be more specific even if you 30 restarts you will lose 1 stamina, just need to be quick enough to press restart before the team dies.

[wispy crag]

#rahulove

[ruby canyon]

😭 you don't lose if you restart before the defeat screen

[charred minnow]

I would love them to adress the bug where if you have <20 stam but >10 it will still say insufficient stam and kick you out when clicking restart
ALSO when clicking restart tell ppl that we will lose 1 stamina, just like with exit

[ornate moth]

are u guys sure? I've seen ppl confidently say you do lose and don't lose for restart

[ruby canyon]

you 100% don't

[wispy crag]

u dont lose

[loud locust]

wtf report thisto customer service 😭

[ornate moth]

ok cool

[ruby canyon]

only if you restart and then quit out you lose 1

or defeat screen obv

[charred minnow]

you're my customer service now >: (

I'll do that next time I see it ❤️

[loud locust]

tnh I thought the restart was obvious for most people

[charred minnow]

nah I thought restart means no stam loss

[loud locust]

wait u can restart without losing any?

[charred minnow]

no

you lose 1

but only 1

[ornate moth]

seethis is what I mean LOL

[charred minnow]

after first restart I didn't notice it drop more stam

[ruby canyon]

you only lose if you quit or get a defeat screen, otw you can restart until you beat it

[loud locust]

wtf

bruh chungis

[opaque flume]

If you have only enough for 1 run you cannot restart, it says not enough stam and forces you out

[charred minnow]

started at 68 went in did 2x restart and only lost 1

which imho is fine

can restart as many times for just 1 stam loss

[loud locust]

ooo

that’s good to know

damn

[opaque flume]

Well did it take more than 5 min

[charred minnow]

no

[loud locust]

but yeah any bugs report to customet service

[charred minnow]

I did it just now to test threw away 1 whole stamina for that test >: (

[opaque flume]

Could still have genned one during it

[charred minnow]

no

[ruby canyon]

to be entirely clear:
loss = -1 stam
restart -> quit = -1 stam
restart x10 -> beat it = -10 stam (so 0 wasted)
restart x10 -> quit = -1 stam
lose x10 = -10 stam (10 wasted)

[charred minnow]

it genned one during my prev test lmfao

I did the same thing go in restart 2x leave and was at 68 still

so did it again

and now I am at 67 after 2x restart

[sacred mirage]

Is there a massiah doki post somewhere i missed?

[charred minnow]

all dupes from perm banner except 1 from SSR guaranteed

[wispy crag]

LMFAOOO

hoping the ssr guaranteed gives me ssania

if it doesn't i'm streaming myself jumping

[fallen rune]

you and everyone else

[ornate moth]

how much speed do you need to go first in inferno doki again? 290 or something?

[torpid willow]

Do we know when the next patch will be announced?

[wispy crag]

400

[ruby canyon]

yea it's either pull ssania or farm doki until the end of time

[sacred mirage]

301 I think

[ruby canyon]

287

[wispy crag]

400 doesnt hurt to be safe

[ornate moth]

let's go I just got my lily up to 288 lmao

[ruby canyon]

terror 267 doki 287 aurora ~310

[ornate moth]

wait what? 267 outspeeds the inferno terror arm? there's no way

[wispy crag]

does my kazuyo go first in doki

[ruby canyon]

someone tested and confirmed

[uncut mica]

actual balance patch? 90 ish days since it's tied to PvP season. Regular patch probably the 22nd or 23rd since that'll be before the next unit drop

[wispy crag]

wait i just had the greatest idea

i use all my arena currency to buy ld summons

[uncut mica]

main body. Arm is like 310 to outspeed

[wispy crag]

ssania is definitely coming

[ornate moth]

I just brought my newly 288 speed lily into terror and arm was significantly ahead

[ornate moth]

ok that makes more sense ty

[ruby canyon]

yeah they meant the main body i guess

[wispy crag]

yayyyy lets hope i dont get 5 andrews from ld pulls

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-andrew-silly-cat-andrew-gif-5211577196073236709

[surreal bobcat]

this is what i tried a couple times to get rid of dots

[wispy crag]

i got 1 andrew

[wispy crag]

2 andrews

who wouldve thought i didnt get anything wow

[ornate moth]

@loud locust some other nico teams

[wispy crag]

if i start only pulling on ld banner surely i get ssania sometime

[ornate moth]

they all use an LD SSR tho, 1 lily and 2 with mio

[charred minnow]

Inferno Niconana, no sania but lily yes

[ruby canyon]

is this kingpoke?

[charred minnow]

another one yes ssania, but no lily

[ornate moth]

yes

[ruby canyon]

ah yeah nice

[charred minnow]

odd lattices for Rosa

[ruby canyon]

why odd?

[charred minnow]

idk

[ruby canyon]

i mean she's an odd type unit but lmao

[charred minnow]

haven't seen someon max s3

[ruby canyon]

ah you kinda need to

to match cd with revelation

[charred minnow]

I usually see 5/5/1

[charred minnow]

aah

[ruby canyon]

esp if you run lily without maxing s3

[charred minnow]

I was thinking of maxing lily s3

[ruby canyon]

I feel like it's not too useful because most dps have a 3turn cd, and white fang/revelation also have 3t cd

[charred minnow]

massiah in a sharon inferno clear

5/5/5 💀

[brave heath]

cachi 💀

[ruby canyon]

yh you have to use cachi or lingluo to auto it, outspeed make your team immune and the plants never evolve

[charred minnow]

my cachi is too slow for auto hehe

[surreal bobcat]

what speed do you need for that?

[loud locust]

revelation over white fang huh

[ruby canyon]

uuhhh

lemme login

[charred minnow]

atleast +120

[brave heath]

white fang is better sustain dps, revelation is better aoe dps

[clever tapir]

whens the next patch notes

[sacred mirage]

This

[left snow]

backreading is wild

[charred minnow]

240

[ruby canyon]

239 lingluo was enough for me

[ornate moth]

244 speed with a speed buff did it for me on cachi

[loud locust]

ooo

makes sense

[brave heath]

white fang might also win on st for like a massiah but not sure

its 100% better if you get like more than 2 procs tho and have 100% crit

on st

actually i guess the 100% crit is the same either way tbh but still

[surreal bobcat]

that was on auto with diting right?

or did you have to manual and lilly s2 into lingluo

[charred minnow]

inferno shadowflame hoyan no lily but has ssania

[left snow]

there are a lot of non lily comps for inferno hoyan

[ruby canyon]

nah pure auto

[left snow]

variety exists once you actually have ssania

[charred minnow]

💀

[surreal bobcat]

interesting. Your team was lilly, lingluo, diting, valerian?

[ruby canyon]

yes sania, cachi, mia all work too

[ornate moth]

can't rly rely on recent/fast clears list, people all copy teams that they see work and lily/ssania requires less invest than non-lily ssania teams

[charred minnow]

not saying you're not right @left snow

[left snow]

i am right, ive seen a lot of non lily comps work there

[ruby canyon]

or you can go diting lily freya lingluo

[left snow]

eu is way behind on global

[ornate moth]

there are more ssania non-lily clears for a lot of these fights than non-ssania ones tho

[left snow]

not sure how else to put it

[surreal bobcat]

i tried freya was rough

[charred minnow]

love the arrogance always

[ruby canyon]

what team?

[surreal bobcat]

lilly, diting, freya, valerian. Was just using freya s2 to prevent dots

[ruby canyon]

sharon+plants dispel buffs so the more buffs you stack the longer you can keep up dreamweave/immunity

[ruby canyon]

ditch either freya or valerian for lingluo or cachi, you don't need 2 sources of atk buff and you really want immunity for it to go smooth

[left snow]

what stage is this ?

[ruby canyon]

inferno sharon

[left snow]

oh

that one

[surreal bobcat]

waiting for this weekend to build cachi

but thanks

[ornate moth]

are these yours?

[loud locust]

rn im trying to beat hell 4 bosses and not sure if I shoulda invest my lattices into valerian mia or lingluo for content

bc idk what i need for inferno most

[ruby canyon]

uh yeah think so

[left snow]

can you tell me whats the investment on your sharon team ?

lattice wise

[ruby canyon]

the niconana one is outdated tho there was a sub 1 min rosa clear posted earlier

[loud locust]

is it auto

[ruby canyon]

diting 5/5/5 valerian 1/1/5 the rest 1/1/1/doesn't matter

[ruby canyon]

sorry what is auto?

[ornate moth]

valerian max s3 for sure, I've seen 1/1/1 mia and lingluos clearing inferno

[loud locust]

is the rosa one manual or auto

kk

i valerian grind now

[ornate moth]

altho if u were gonna lattice one of those two I've seen mia 1/1/5 and lingluo 5/1/1 as the prios

[ruby canyon]

my one was auto but had to restart a few times

the kingpoke 50 second one i have no clue, probably manual

[loud locust]

seems like valerian is more universal for content

[left snow]

do you have rengo clear @ruby canyon

[loud locust]

for my needs i guess

[ruby canyon]

nope

rengo is super rng and I'm saving stamina rn

[left snow]

fair enough

do you have an auto team for aurora ?

[ornate moth]

definitely, I use val for pretty much everything and she is pretty easy to build compared to a lot of other units

[ruby canyon]

mm not yet my plan is get cure set + 3/3/3 shell and S1 lvl 5 on lingluo then it should be doable

[left snow]

im guessing supernova ?

for lingluo i mean

[ruby canyon]

the tiamat team WOULD be auto if tiamat actually casts her shield on auto 😭

[ornate moth]

slow speed with 12 wellspring or 12 timeweave, gigabyte/artisan/halloween shell with ideally shields given as 2nd passive and hp% 1st passive, all right sides hp%

(for valerian, not ling)

[loud locust]

is valerian worth 6* or should i save that for others

[ruby canyon]

im missing a 3 wellsping helm for val 😦

[left snow]

i should farm some bloodbath

that thing is really good

speaking of bloodbath

[ruby canyon]

it's soo good for pvp, I get so much rating from my arena defense

I've bought 0 tickets and yet mythic

[ornate moth]

I 6 starred mine just cause she benefits from having higher base HP and I use her everywhere but not confident it's the best decision lmao

[left snow]

i cant auto dokidoki

need better gear

[ornate moth]

hmm I assume the bloodbath 12 set was pretty important for hoyan?

[acoustic ivy]

it depends what your box looks like, you might have better 6 star options

[ruby canyon]

uhh no i think just stupid rng, for consistency i will try obol lily as obol can stun and apply tons of dots

with lily followups

[clever tapir]

seems like Volkin and Seanb both think inferno is too hard

[ruby canyon]

if you have your dps ready to go yes val is sooo universal

[ornate moth]

I have zero clue how that hoyan team cleared lol I get absolutely destroyed before the boss is even at like 60%

[ruby canyon]

I have no interest in trying again LOL I'll let you know once I've found a consistent team

the shell rates are really low so no point in finding non-auto or inconsistent teams

[ornate moth]

yeah

[ruby canyon]

I know ppl want lily-less teams but I have literally no other spd booster built so it's not gonna happen

obol lily seems actually doable for hoyan though

[ornate moth]

I still have an interest in non-ssania lily teams, I think there will be value sharing any team that isn't ssania cheese even if some have lily

[ruby canyon]

mhm the tsukiyo mi teams seem really interesting though, frees up val since she gives atk buff so you can pump more damage, if I hadn't pulled lily I'd run her for sure

[torpid willow]

The problem is, if we don’t upgrade the shells, how are we going to have enough power to handle the rest of the content effectively? It’s a really toxic loop.

[ruby canyon]

I think you try to find other ways to upgrade your team like levels, 6* everyone, lattice and farm what you can (inferno doki) during 2x

[ornate moth]

at this point best bet is probably just accumulating resources from whatever you are able to farm and wait to see more auto-consistent inferno shell teams that don't require dot cheese come to light. Definitely sucks that some can farm inferno immediately while we have to kinda wait but nothing we can do about it

not rly related but we were talking about mia earlier, did anyone notice the passive description changed with the update where they fixed some translations? It was worded like she gives team damage reduction before but now it shows it's just for Mia?

[ruby canyon]

mm I don't have her but I figured 40% teamwide DR was probably not correct, if it would we would've seen her used everywhere

[ornate moth]

new aurora clear 👀

[surreal bobcat]

whats the mia build?

[ruby canyon]

all max dupes wow 5/5 dupe lily

[minor cape]

sharing my nico team, was wondering how xiada might do on single target damage but turns out revealation is just too powerful

[ornate moth]

Rosa 5/5/1 revelation with 12 momentum/8 harvest/6 furyedge, holden 1/1/1 artisan 12 swift/8 bramble, Lily 5/2/1 gigabyte 12 swiftrush, Ling 1/1/1 Jackal 12 swift/8 cure, Mia 1/1/1 gigabyte 12 swift/12 timeweave

[minor cape]

lily 551 xiada 155 lingluo111 viper 125

[ornate moth]

damn didn't notice that 😭

[ornate moth]

nice - what shells/sets?

[ruby canyon]

it's still good that was my initial plan if I pulled mia 😭

maybe red chiaki can replace kinda

[ornate moth]

I have no rosa I wonder if xiada can do that inferno strat

maybe with beyontin or a 2nd dps instead of holden since she's not as reliant on having a debuff on boss

but ig turn pushback is kinda important to land

[minor cape]

artisan for lily, alicorn for viper, gigabyte for lingluo, revealation for xiada

I think you just use w/e sets you can get, timeweave seems rly good on viper

[surreal bobcat]

auto or manual?

[minor cape]

auto

[surreal bobcat]

interesting

[ruby canyon]

yeah that was my nico too but rosa instead of xiada

[tidal arch]

I just need a lily to pull out this one

😞

[craggy imp]

now the challenge is getting lily

[ruby canyon]

tsukiyo mi is actually better than lily for nico if you have her

[loud locust]

nvm max dupes

not gna pin it

[tidal arch]

I do and went to try it and failed miserably

why you think she is better than lily?

[craggy imp]

LMAOO

i love how most of the content is locked behind a ld character

not even a rgb at that

[ruby canyon]

atk buff and more uptime on spd buff, there is a 50 second rosa clear with tsukiyo mi

[loud locust]

anyways..

[craggy imp]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-staring-at-another-dog-from-a-car-window-nosolohit-gif-7896537705491688048

[clever tapir]

Hows ur day so far

[tidal arch]

Yea att buff but lily resets revelation

and xiada 1 skill hits hard and steal buffs

[loud locust]

chill i working from home today bc my sleep schedule been so fucked since all the drama last week

havent been able to fix it yet :/

[ruby canyon]

tsuki also has cdr

but 1 turn instead of 2

[clever tapir]

Hopefully soon

[loud locust]

yeah gonna try and commit tonight

to early

hows urs

[clever tapir]

Been okay

[loud locust]

wait this is off topic bro

[tidal arch]

i gotta try it again when i get a better viper fs

but cant see tsuki being better

[craggy imp]

now pull a lily

ez

[loud locust]

whats the team combo with her?