inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[open fable]

after the change kewk

[warped kestrel]

From what I've seen most of them can't even do inferno outside of manual and with good RNG.

[worn wigeon]

Do you think doki would be beatable with 4 multi hitters on revelation shell and someone to reset/reduce cds

[lilac lotus]

last shell boss just got beat by diting btw

no l/d units other than him and valarian

no 3 piece sets either

[uncut mica]

Rengo? yeah seems about right. He's like Sharon in that he didn't get a huge HP bump

just a lot more raw attack and turn pushback immunity

[upbeat breach]

Revelation has 3 turns CD, you kinda need atk up, so you dont have that many slots to be sure you are rotating fast enough

[frozen stone]

Only the whales and those with lily and shadow Saina are clearing

[upbeat breach]

Unless you can somehow hit the damage cap with 3 DPSs, tsuki and a kaz (would still need to tank one turn)

[warped kestrel]

The state of the fight on the last round

[charred minnow]

niceeee

very close

or did you kill

[warped kestrel]

That was not me, that was the person that did it

[twilit vault]

it says the person's name in the corner

[lilac lotus]

ya but luke at gear/shells absolute joke

look*

valarian on a 2 star level 20 shell

[charred minnow]

I can't see it ;-; EU zero clears haha

[upbeat breach]

Need a print with those builds =p

[charred minnow]

imho rengokutsu isn't that hard of a boss to do

he got the team perfect

1 of each affinity

2x sustain

[ruby canyon]

trust me it's insane, requires perfect rng

[charred minnow]

oh no I know

I've been getting close myself

wonder why there is no hp bar on the left add on that pic no way he killed that one

[ruby canyon]

as everything has been cleared I'm just stocking up stamina now, no first clears to push for and 2x is coming

[charred minnow]

nice bug

got silenced -> alicorn purified the debuff -> still silenced

👍

everyday I'm thinking more and more on that juicy refund

[ruby canyon]

yes I've had that a lot on astarte (ember trek boss)

[charred minnow]

this game is really just ai slop

probably coded with deepseek

[ruby canyon]

wonder if anyone has done hoyan without ssania, have not seen it yet

[uncut mica]

Not a lot of people have built up Obol for the F2P DoT team for her. Or Celince to turn off the damage share and counterattack

[ruby canyon]

obol doesn't really do dots well, you'd need a cracked fangus

[open fable]

i tried the obol fangus s.sania vale on hoyan

dint work so well

need obol to be faster

[frozen stone]

Or you can fix it with lily

[open fable]

@frozen stone gib lily banner idm

[frozen stone]

[sudden wedge]

30% -> 60% dot proc

[open fable]

btw i figured out the auto team

for nico inferno if you have S.Sania

but no lily

[wary fractal]

who does byontin target with her s2 on auto?

[uncut mica]

unit with the highest total skill cooldown.

[errant mountain]

it works off cooldown

[warped kestrel]

What is it?

[open fable]

Tho you do need to speed tune it

Fk lily

only cause i dont have her

😭

[warped kestrel]

I may be able to pull this off. What's the turn order?

[open fable]

basically fangus ssania obol

need obol to cut before the adds

my obol is slower if i dont hit the speed down

but ss on ali helps with the consistent dmg

[warped kestrel]

Ty ty

[white veldt]

I spot wuthering waves

Yinlin best girl, tyvm

[open fable]

Pls Canterella

[foggy reef]

Pull more if you want heroes in meta , or Just farm more, its normal Who pay Is Better and farm easyer , no sense to pay to have all the Hero otherwise

[warped kestrel]

There's a difference between PvP meta and the most basic PvE - equipment dungeons

[foggy reef]

I like the challenge to beat them, its right to be hard , i like It, so i have a sense to push harder and get stronger , if end game content become Easy you why you play for?

[royal bronze]

Bruh people dont understand what endgame means, youre not supposed to clean it after 1 weeks from release

[frozen stone]

Is farming gears endgame ?

[fallen rune]

Inferno isn't endgame, it's what you farm to do endgame

[warped kestrel]

I play for PvP, not to manual extremely repetitive PvE content for 10 hours a day.

[foggy reef]

Exactly lol they know only to cry, i Hope devs not listen this or game die

[dreamy cliff]

100% This. Game advertised PvP. NOT Manual PvE for hours

[foggy reef]

I play for both pve and pvp, i like pve hard content

[tidal arch]

Bro this aint pve game 😭 🙏

[royal bronze]

Dude, its pvp

[frozen stone]

Tell us what endgame means

I’m clueless

[royal bronze]

Endgame is pvp dudes...

Here

[tidal arch]

Exactly

[royal bronze]

You farm at pve to beat people at pvp

[foggy reef]

It Is also , tower , Echo, ethernet etc etc wolfs alot competitive pve content, thats the game, not only pvp

[dreamy cliff]

You don't understand what endgame is.... Clearing Inferno is LITERALLY FINISHING THE TUTORIAL. Farming inferno for 1+ year just to minmax your diting IS END GAME. Nothing before that is end game

[foggy reef]

No...

[tidal arch]

Na bro, this is a pvp focused game

[warped kestrel]

Feel free to take off the equipment on all your characters and go into PvE content with level 1 3* characters if you want to "challenge yourself" - we want to get our gear so we can PvP in an even-playing field, which is the focus of the game

[frozen stone]

This is their first game I think

[royal bronze]

Cry me a river with capslock more

[stable dagger]

endgame is gear rolling to the infinity

[distant wedge]

true end game is the friends we made along the way

[foggy reef]

Is not the focus, there are so many competitive pve content with leaderboard

[frozen stone]

Noooo gatekeep pve by Light and dark units

[dreamy cliff]

Most likely is... As a Veteran Gacha player I can tell you etheria is doing it wrong... they need to fix things ASAP.

[tidal arch]

Bro what is going on with people coming into a pvp focused game and wanting to play it around pve

[royal bronze]

Nice,im veteran too, they doing ok

[white veldt]

1. endgame in this game is minmaxxing your pvp teams
2. if we arent supposed to clear in 1 week, neither should people who have the 1 exact team that can clear the specific inferno level, but they can
3. 2 weeks from release is a BS argument cuz its ppl with maxxed gear who are unable to clear it. if you cant clear inferno with full hell IV gear then thats an issue, more time wont improve that

[warped kestrel]

Everyone should be able to clear inferno reasonably easily. You are free to compete on being the one that cleared it the fastest or whatever, there's no reason to gatekeep everyone who doesn't have 2 specific LD SSR units out of the basic equipment farming dungeons required to even start playing the game.

[royal bronze]

Maxed by what? What did you have maxed? Shit gear? Its obvious you lose miserably..

[warped kestrel]

Full +15 mythic gear is not "shit gear"

[royal bronze]

Maybe you all should go play back epic7

[foggy reef]

So you want to close the contets that whale's close in the First week ? And why whales have to pay if you can do that, play the game f2p can get their things by time , and patience , ofc Who have heroes win First , maybe After 5/6 month f2p can compete , this Is right for me, making the game Easy its not the way this Will make the game die , no competition , Just pvp

[royal bronze]

It is with shit substat

[warped kestrel]

You shouldn't need all perfect SPD rolls on your gear to start farming the basic equipment dungeons without 2 specific SSR LD units

[royal bronze]

Inferno isnt basic xd

Its last stage

You cant use anything there

[warped kestrel]

It is basic, as it's the bare minimum required to start participating in high end content/PvP

[royal bronze]

You need proper team

[warped kestrel]

You cannot even start to compete if you don't have inferno gear

[royal bronze]

What rank pvp you have?

Im curious

[warped kestrel]

Proper team should be a team of proper affinity with appropriate roles, not very specific SSR LD units

The average player won't put up with being unable to clear the basic equipment dungeon because they lack very rare gacha units

The game will not survive if that is the requirement to start farming gear

[fallen rune]

honestly y'all need to stop interacting with these idiots, absolutely clueless takes - Inferno difficulty is a massive problem, SSania & Lily trivializing it even more so, and it will kill the game if it's not addressed

[royal bronze]

It will survive

[arctic plover]

ember trek and ethernet rally in this case

[frozen stone]

Shills and gears are basic pve you clear it to get better stats to fight harder content like Anisync echoes phantom theater ember trek Ethernet rally

[royal bronze]

You just want it to not be gacha at this point

[tidal arch]

Na bro

[frozen stone]

If you can’t clear basic pve how would you progress ?

[tidal arch]

Do you think people that want to start playing pvp gonna wait to build 20 units full skill ups and stuff to just start farming those contents way slower than dots?

Bro i don't even have 1 fully maxed skilled unit yet

[tidal arch]

I could have

[frozen stone]

Yeah I don’t know what game they played where you can’t farm gears for your units

[warped kestrel]

I'm sure they're intellectually dishonest opportunists trying to get as far ahead of the rest as possible with their nonsense. There's no reason to let them take over with their demonstrably wrong and nonsensical narrative.

[royal bronze]

You can play pvp all the time, whats the problem? You cant beat people at bronze?

[tidal arch]

100% the same is happening with revelation problem

[royal bronze]

Or you want go straight fighting with mythic?

[tidal arch]

The dudes arguing rev is fine are the ones abusing it

Oh wow

Of course are them

[tidal arch]

That is not competitive if i cant compete in gear?

[royal bronze]

What?

Dude, you can go pvp anything and fight people at your lvl

[tidal arch]

Can you compete for the top?

[fallen rune]

good points, I'd wager you're right

[royal bronze]

Do you know how ranking works?

[tidal arch]

Yes?

[royal bronze]

You need to beat bro ze to get to top

[tidal arch]

Yes?

[royal bronze]

Did you try even?

[tidal arch]

Can you compete as someone with no access to inferno farm for the top?

[warped kestrel]

The difference between a bronze and a mythic player should be in the diversity of their character roster, the quality of their substat rolls, and their own strategizing for pick/ban phase and the choices they make in the actual PvP fight, not whether you are able to even farm the most basic equipment dungeon, which is the bare minimum to even start having a chance

[royal bronze]

You can hell gear can be as fast as inferno

[tidal arch]

Really?

So we dont know what the third set does anymore?

[warped kestrel]

No it can't, inferno has access to 6/6 sets that hell doesn't

[fallen rune]

don't the Inferno shells have higher base stats too, including speed?

[warped kestrel]

Inferno has objectively stronger gear that hell cannot even come close to competing with

[arctic plover]

you will be 17 speed behind because of inferno set

[tidal arch]

We don't know what stats give last shell rarity anymore?

[arctic plover]

and 5 speed behind because of the shell

[warped kestrel]

This too, the inferno shells do have higher base stats on top of the 6/6 sets

[arctic plover]

good luck overcoming 22 speed deficit via substats

[royal bronze]

Did you all are on mythic fighting?

No

[tidal arch]

What's the point of that question what the helly

[warped kestrel]

And your opponent is also assumed to have that 22 speed, so more like 22 speed deficit period

And that's just speed

[surreal bobcat]

just one thing, i appreciate that these fights are hard, but most of the time no matter how perfect the rotations are. I feel like i'm fighting rng instead of actual "skill"

[royal bronze]

You just spent time here rather in game with problems that won't touch you long time before you get there, beuh, brats xddd

[fallen rune]

bad faith arguments, people aren't going to try and compete when they know that they're outgeared by people lucky enough to cheese Inferno with SSania & Lily

[tidal arch]

Yeah thats the problem

That i should be here earlier

No long time before

Most people will quit if they have to get there long time after

[warped kestrel]

We're already here sitting on our hands waiting for inferno difficulty to get nerfed because we can't progress any further

[royal bronze]

Nah, you all want gacha games to not be gachas xd

[warped kestrel]

Gacha has nothing to do with equipment dungeons

[tidal arch]

Gacha means You can only clear with 2 ssr?

[indigo oyster]

surface level knowledge

[warped kestrel]

And I mean, not surprising that you're talking nonsense, you seem to think that inferno gear is not better than hell gear

[tidal arch]

Lmaoo

[timid wolf]

farming content should be farming content and very accessible, PVP is where whales can whale. Thats as someone abusing S Sania

[young zealot]

This debate is getting dumber and dumber smh

[tidal arch]

For real like we don't have enough disadvantage alr in pvp against whales

[crude sparrow]

hold on

[tidal arch]

Just because of they being whales

[timid wolf]

Either make it a one off challenge we have to beat once and can then queue up guaranteed wins for our dailies our nerf it so we dont have to roll the dice every fight juggling gear just to get my dailies done

[warped kestrel]

This. Whales have roster diversity, maxed constellations, more stability used/day in the long term, etc. They already have plenty of advantages, they don't need everyone else to also just be excluded from the most basic equipment dungeons

[indigo oyster]

someone in this thread says it's still 100%

havent't tested it

[arctic plover]

it's still 100%

[glacial magnet]

It is. That 40% in tooltip has been there since the very beginnning

[arctic plover]

and the tooltip have always been like that

[fallen rune]

also even whales can get screwed by RNG, no one is guaranteed SSania

I have every other LD unit and several dupes

[timid wolf]

Yeah I think having one comp able to clear anything thats meant to be part of your daily grind is insane

[crude sparrow]

true

[timid wolf]

Ember Trek should be the PVE pinnacle challenge, not equipping 12/8/6

[fallen rune]

exactly, plenty of avenues for challening PvE content that requires roster diversity and thoughtful builds

[crude sparrow]

at this point SSania + lily owners will get so ahead that the rest of playerbase won´t have a chance if they don´t get extremely lucky

[fallen rune]

no one is asking for all PvE content to be trivial

[tidal arch]

Its even crazier considering we have "worlds" soon like wym this dont have to be rushed, Bros are going to fight with rocks and sticks

[foggy reef]

If you equip Easy 12/8/6 ember Trek become Easy also, you have to improve slowly its right like It Is.

[timid wolf]

Ember Trek is fine how it is

Terror Inferno and Doki Inferno and holy christ shell infernos are not

[quasi laurel]

doki inferno is the only one we can MAYBE argue that it is ok (which is not, since it depends on revelation which is totally broken)

[arctic plover]

hell make ember trek harder

[quasi laurel]

everything else is overtuned, no point in even debating it

[crude sparrow]

We had a few betas and still, they managed to fk it up

[arctic plover]

a lot of doki clears right now are manualling

[crude sparrow]

I don´t see how this is good for the game

[warped kestrel]

The people with Lily and Ssania aren't "improving slowly" - they're farming best-in-slot gear in the equipment dungeon while everyone who doesn't have the specific SSR LDs just have to quit the game/wait for the inevitable inferno difficulty nerfs

[quasi laurel]

yeah also that, we need asap a way to set priority on skills when autoing

mega easy implementation, just a scroll where you put which skill you want to prioritize (the same way we have for mobs)

[foggy reef]

I have every Hero in the game, and im not farming everything because you Need also to equip to farm everything, if farm become Easy the game become Easy and its a big waste.

[warped kestrel]

This is another thing, this is an autoplay gacha, we aren't going to be manualing repetitive content that we do 100 times a day for much longer, this is absurd.

[arctic plover]

manualling 1000 daily energy is diabolical I agree

[warped kestrel]

Sounds like a skill issue. The other people who have Lily and SSania and don't have your skill issue are autofarming inferno dungeons at maximum efficiency already.

[tidal arch]

But the game is not pve bro i don't think people came here for the pve part

Whats the problem with the game being easy

[foggy reef]

Game Is both pve and pvp since there are leaderboards for pve contents

[fossil flicker]

Maybe 1/10 teams are auto farming inferno with ssania

[foggy reef]

Trust me they Just got lucky with module's and shells ^^ if you are lucky you win also

Otherwise Just farm farm farm

[tidal arch]

This game eventually is gonna be just farm threshold the whole day and play pvp

[fossil flicker]

If ssania doesn’t go S2->S3 its manual

[foggy reef]

Im level 61 i literally use 1500/1800 stamina a day since start and many time i end up without any good drop

If this become Easy rip game

[tidal arch]

Having leaderboards doesnt mean is a pve game?

[arctic plover]

ember trek and ethernet reset @tidal arch

[tidal arch]

Nice but the amount of hours youre gonna spend in pvp compared to clearing those contents is non

[timid wolf]

every time I see mine do this I weep

[warped kestrel]

We will all spend the next 10 years autofarming the inferno dungeons to get perfect substats on our modules, because whoever has higher substats will usually win. Inferno content is the beginning of the game, not the end.

[tidal arch]

Assuming you want to clear them because is not really necessary

[stable dagger]

anyways speaking of ember treck how do you deal with the final wave of the last floor? do i need to build Rev there?

[arctic plover]

yes, but the point is that we have two endgame modes with resettable premium rewards like lattices/shadowprints/pulls.

Instead people pretend they don't exist and clearing a dungeon "is the endgame"

we even have a guildwar soon, also with premium rewards

[tidal arch]

I'm fine with those modes being the endgame like really hard or sum

But the gear?

[foggy reef]

Its the beginning of end game, wont be Easy, had to be hard like It Is now in my opinion

[wary fractal]

do you all know that inferno still drops 2 matrix gear?

[timid wolf]

this isnt hard its impossible

[warped kestrel]

This is probably the reason these people are fighting so hard to gatekeep infernos, they want to establish their unions at the top of GW before inferno gets inevitably difficulty nerfed

[arctic plover]

shells drop epics 😄

[timid wolf]

I was optimising the fuck out of my Diting comp as best I could min maxing as best I could and I could beat Hell 2 SOMETIMES, I swapped to S Sania, threw on whatever garbage and I could do Hell 4 manual no issue

[tidal arch]

Thats the funny part this is getting nerfed 10000%

[timid wolf]

I then built pure tank and can full auto Hell 4 no problem

[arctic plover]

with this attitude we will soon be having server mergers, if you know what I mean

[tidal arch]

This is just a wsy to let people spend to get Lily and sania and farm some devs listened

[quasi laurel]

inferno drop % for shells at least is mega bad, not only epics but the % for the three passive shells (that you need not only the right shell but the right 3 passives) is giga low

[timid wolf]

I lowkey have this tinfoil hat theory at times lol. Blizzard did it for years, make a problem then send out the fix as a feature

[tidal arch]

Maybe that was the plan from the very beginning because what You mean we had 4 betas and out of nowhere you decided to buff everytying to the moon without testing it? Then why we had betas for xd

[quasi laurel]

not sure the % for the 6 set piece on threshold, I imagine it is terrible too

[timid wolf]

that doesnt mean people that can do it now everyday compared to people that cant dont have an advantage

[foggy reef]

The only One thing maybe i agree tò change Is the drop rate in inferno, also only Red drop and not end up like this farming inferno

[timid wolf]

if I had 1000 lottery tickets and you had 0 lottery tickets I am still more likely to win the lottery 😛

[quasi laurel]

yeah I am not justifying it, I am saying that even when they nerf it and make it accessible people will realize that the drop % of inferno is terrible and does not feel rewarding

[arctic plover]

nice febian run

[warped kestrel]

Why do you agree on changing the drop rate? Shouldn't the drop rate also "be challenging"? Oh right, I know why, it's because it's the first thing here that actually affects you negatively.

[foggy reef]

Yes and Will also effect you two time since Will be hard for you to close and to drop ^^

[ionic wind]

yeah these people don’t care unless they’re the ones being affected

[tidal arch]

For real

[ionic wind]

if they had pulled 3000 times and got no ssania bet my ass they’ll be complaining too

[foggy reef]

In my case in with 1400 pull Full heroes

20 copy

[tidal arch]

Why is bro flexing out of nowhere 😭

[white veldt]

I got SSania within my first 80 pulls so ill cya all later 🫡 have fun staying weak

[timid wolf]

we're all proud of you

[white veldt]

fr tho plz just nerf bosses to be weaker

[foggy reef]

Because i can

[ionic wind]

1400 pull isn’t even a flex like okayy… that’s sad lmao

[white veldt]

sounds about right, did you save selector for the final pull or wha?

[timber mica]

Hey guys i couldnt get lily, is there really no replacement at all or near to it? just want to be able to do some inferno stages lol

[tidal arch]

I have two dupes xiada bye

[arctic plover]

did you pull sania? if yes then it should be ok

[white veldt]

theres a R hero who gives 100% turn meter to a hero-

[timid wolf]

yeah my luck has been absolutely insane his luck is absolute shit

even a deep wallet barely saved you

[timber mica]

Yea i have Sania, no xiada. got rosa. i tried inferno doki and it was too hard so isnt worth it for my rosa team. so decided to go sania but no lily, still doable for inferno terra?

[tidal arch]

Probably not 🥀

[timber mica]

choosing between to focus on doki or terra for inferno

[tidal arch]

But inferno shells should be easier without Lily maybe you can do some in manual

[timber mica]

havent seen anyone mention or use it in real life, only one post saying he can be used lol

[timber mica]

Im sure i can do shells, i really want to farm some modules atleast for inferno

[timid wolf]

he only works with Diting in the 1 shot comp

probs locked to Hell 4

but definitely usable

[timber mica]

Whelp i was just trying my luck to see if anyone here that didnt have lily is farming with SSania comfortable in inferno. guess everyone has a lily lol

[timid wolf]

wont survive long enough in the DoT comp to have Lily's impact

[timber mica]

im just trying to build them, havent used them yet so was looking for advice

[arctic plover]

you can run normal dot without lily

[timid wolf]

Nah inferno only has one very strict comp that works. Its okay though and perfectly healthy and balanced. Just ask the guys that can farm it

[crude sparrow]

you still need Sania

[arctic plover]

yes, but the person was asking if they can clear with no lily if they have sania

[timber mica]

so terra is doable without lily?

[crude sparrow]

with obol

replacing lily

[arctic plover]

yeah, sania is the more important part

[timber mica]

Okay thx ill build obol

[arctic plover]

obol or extra sustain or utility

[timber mica]

alright, thank god i have ssania lol, this game is really brutal

and theres no banner for them

[indigo matrix]

Gotta love how the community went from “SSania trash, they did her dirty”

To “plz nerf SSania” in the spam of a week

[timid wolf]

clarify "kept topping up"

how deep did you go?

[timid wolf]

I used the rerolls given because of the Sania nerf to pivot into Sania

[indigo matrix]

Not disagreeing btw but they shouldnt nerf ssania, they should nerf endgame bosses

[foggy reef]

Also dark sania Is Just for 2/3 content not every content, why are you so chasing that sania

Massiah Will be good for like everything

[timid wolf]

show me a massiah clearing inferno doki thats not wearing inferno terror gear

farmed by a you guessed it S Sania

[indigo matrix]

They never even nerfed SSania, they buffed aurora,

They need to stop gatekeeping endgame content to very specific units,

Nerf the content to allow more variety of teams and the whole issue is fixed.

Ppl will still clear the end content faster with specific units, but atleast everyone will be able to clear the content.

Everybody happy GG

[foggy reef]

I have cleared inferno Doki with massiah and shit equip and White fang

[timber mica]

Yeah exactly, even rosa can do that job in doki with inferno gears.. doki is walled by 3 sets gear , thats my dillema too. so now im planning to go ssania to farm terra first

[timid wolf]

I agree with you 100% our daily grind shit should be full auto capable and easier with better units but possible with any if invested well

[timid wolf]

show me the team and clear

[timber mica]

Show time cleared and line up and gears?

[warped kestrel]

The fact I'm still having to even manual things in this auto battle gacha game 2 weeks into the game is insane to me

I've never seen something like this before

[timber mica]

same , im still manualling like hell

[indigo matrix]

Exactly,

Like every other gachas, if u invest well enough in units u can clear anything anyway, some teams will just naturally be better at it and thats good

[foggy reef]

Yes wait a bit

[timid wolf]

looking forward to the 12 minute full manual 50% WR Massiah clear with 4 sustains

[timber mica]

I am also CURIOUS

[charred minnow]

to fix inferno they will nerf Diting

[indigo matrix]

I gotta start building my ditting to clear aurora lmao

[tidal arch]

What you mean sania is just for 2/3 contents

[timid wolf]

"Guys we have gotten the feedback that Inferno is too difficult and gatekeeping content, so we have sent everyone a 10 pull and 1 fuel. We hope you pull Sania"

[charred minnow]

but what about lily

[timid wolf]

1 week later they will copy paste the post

[charred minnow]

lmfao

[timid wolf]

sounds like another "devs listened" YouTube title to me

[charred minnow]

truely

[timid wolf]

save that one for later

[crude sparrow]

"Oh, you should have rerolled for her"

[timber mica]

topic for this thread is inferno problem /brainstorming, but i guess theres nothing to brainstorm

haha

[charred minnow]

#DEVSLISTENED #INFERNONERF

I can see it already

[timid wolf]

THIS ONE TRICK HAS THE BALANCE TEAM MALDING!
Thumbnail of a Shadow Sania and Xadia holding a Revelation

[tidal arch]

What the helly?

[crude sparrow]

that´s first clear

show us a second one

[foggy reef]

Second i did with xiada, i Need to do It again later i do and i show you

[timid wolf]

First time inferno only gets you a 1 pull and swiftrush?

interesting.

[foggy reef]

So you know Is inferno

[uncut mica]

and an HP% main swiftraid from the event

[timid wolf]

what team you running on Inferno Terror champ?

[ionic wind]

inferno dokidoki nobody uses ssania anyways just not the way it works

[crude sparrow]

SSania for sure

[timid wolf]

surely Massiah

since he can slap all content

[foggy reef]

Dot, 40 second run, sania, fangus, holden, Lily, valerian

[timid wolf]

colour me surprised

[tardy ridge]

this is what people are complaining about buddy 🥀

[foggy reef]

Yea but Is not for every content

[tardy ridge]

nobody is even complaining about doki

[timid wolf]

.>

so. Do you think you have benefitted AT ALL from being able to farm the best DPS gear in the game?

[tidal arch]

Just for every shell and terror

[stable dagger]

cuz those who haven't really played Ssania on beta don't really know her value

[foggy reef]

I can but only manual, Bro i dont have time to play 1800 stamina manual in It xD

[timber mica]

Think of the people without SSania or lily or both.. they cant farm inferno terra and get all the red gears with 3 matrix

[timid wolf]

also ignoring he wouldnt be able to do it without the OTHER strongest LD unit lol

[tidal arch]

And You can access Doki inferno and aurora with the sets You farm in terror and shells

[timid wolf]

paired with the top LD unit

[foggy reef]

This Is the bad thing that dot team Need to be played Just manual

[timid wolf]

not necessarily

[crude sparrow]

I ve seen dot auto

[timid wolf]

I dont manual mine

[stable dagger]

her AI used to be good idk what happened

[timid wolf]

I had to build stupidly and go super tanky with Artisans, but it works

just have to survive the first barrage of complete horse shit

watch her have an aneurysm and extend the duration of DoTs the boss doesnt have, explode all 3 of them and then its just fine

[foggy reef]

Well in terrormatan yes, niconana can be auto

[timid wolf]

the point is, manual or not we can only farm Terror inferno BECAUSE we have S Sania, and thats a shitty game state

and if you cant acknowledge that because you are benefiting from it then you're cooked

[amber burrow]

Nobody cares that the bosses are hard. But nobody wants to be forced to run SS and Lily to do said bosses. Sure there’s teams that don’t use either but they used them(Lily and SS)to farm the gear to be able to do other bosses without said units. Either buff characters or nerf bosses. And if that’s still not enough they could always make an extra tier to inf with slightly better drops for those that want to min max. a lot of way around the problem but the biggest issue is we have no confirmation that the devs have really taken an interest into the problem other then the words of a discord mod.

[timid wolf]

I am even worse, I didnt drop $1000 I RNG'd into it, and was so black pilled when I pulled her at the start I DIDNT invest into her because everyone said she was shit

I then used the reroll we got FROM HER NERF DRAMA to build her

and can now farm the content easily

the thing is thanks to how DoT works they can nerf the bosses and it will still be exactly the same difficulty for S Sania, she will just be a more accessible way to clear it

just other comps will actually be able to do it. Its not rocket science

[amber burrow]

Exactly.

[indigo matrix]

^^^^

say it louder holy shit

[foggy reef]

Im not even farming It, in Just farming shells since day 1 like , cause shells are over all , most important things

[warped kestrel]

"c" - the community manager, said right here in this chat that he relayed the situation to them. They know that their time is running out, because once all the casuals get to this point in the game and see how impossibly difficult Inferno is, they'll just leave

[foggy reef]

Shells are broken, shells can make you win everything

[tardy ridge]

and what are you using to farm the shells

[timid wolf]

this is true, shall we have a look at inferno Niko Nana?

[amber burrow]

Which the devs should STILL acknowledge with a message. Not everyone will read this chat nor care what a community manager say because they aren’t the ones with real power.

[timid wolf]

guys I am seeing a pattern

tell me when you see it too

[amber burrow]

A simple announcement on Twitter, discord whatever would work.

[tidal arch]

Fangus is broken dude

[timid wolf]

nah he isnt in comp 1

[fallen rune]

this being the most popular feedback thread (not even counting the ones C closed about the same issue) is very telling

[timid wolf]

completely optional unit

[charred minnow]

inferno doki clear

with scuffed speed tuning

[amber burrow]

Let’s see the massiah rq

[tardy ridge]

i do find it funny he is saying get good and saying no farming the modules but using the unit to farm the shells which is the content that is mainly being complained about

[warped kestrel]

This thread is probably an attempt at a containment zone so this doesn't leak out into #general-chat too much, but it's inevitable

[proper palm]

Is Lily better than Freya in the Doki comp? Seems to be way more popular from what I see

[amber burrow]

The gear too

[tardy ridge]

that is the gear

[timid wolf]

its what youre not showing that tells us so much

[tidal arch]

It is funny that the dude arguing it is healthy for the game to have insanely hard difficult in the endgame content is using shadow sania and Lily to clear terror

[indigo matrix]

Also can someone confirm this to me,

Is there RNG to speed? Because how the hell is my holden faster than terror 1 run and then slower the next run

[tidal arch]

Bro? Go and make some crazy strats to clear it? Don't you like it being hard

[charred minnow]

I couldn't use Lily W in the first turn

[stable dagger]

if i could just make Holden be faster than Terror my speed sucks

[charred minnow]

because then Kazuyo wouldn't be moving before Massiah

[timid wolf]

I wish I could use a pop up book or flash cards to explain this

Okay

your massiah managed Doki Inferno

dad is proud of you

you farm it for 5 weeks

[charred minnow]

damn that's a lot of salt

[timid wolf]

can you now equip the gear for that on the same comp and do Terror?

[charred minnow]

you work in a salt mine?

[warped kestrel]

He likes it being hard for other people, not for himself, obviously. That's why when it came to improving the inferno drop rates he was all for that one.

[timid wolf]

I am just explaining circles around you dude

[charred minnow]

oh but I can do inferno terror already

wdym

[foggy reef]

I think yes

[timid wolf]

you could find a corner in a spherical room to bang your eye on I swear

[amber burrow]

Show the build

[timid wolf]

you are coping imo

[charred minnow]

if you're a brokie just say so

https://tenor.com/view/pokimane-broke-boy-gif-1631750273434798155

[timid wolf]

I have the comp my guy

and it didnt cost me $1400 of my parents money to do it

[fallen rune]

no amount of money guarantees you SSania

[indigo matrix]

Nah bro thats a nasty take, not everyone wants to spend their money on gachas

[tidal arch]

Jajajjjjajja

[timid wolf]

I just realize that its a problem lol

[amber burrow]

lol what is this guy on about

[charred minnow]

I'm replying to him

he instasalted me lmfao

[timid wolf]

you're defending the current game state lol I didnt salt you

[charred minnow]

where

?

where did I defend

idiot

[timid wolf]

dont get salty bro

[charred minnow]

CTRL+F this chat look for my messages

and tell me I've been defending lmfao

[indigo matrix]

Dont care, telling ppl “well just spend money heurh heurh” smells like someone whos fed money by their parents, never a good take to say that

[charred minnow]

oof

imagine not just working for your money

sorry idk what to tell you not everyone gets it from their parents..

[indigo matrix]

Oh yeah lets forget the economical state of the world, just say u come from rich background and stfu

[charred minnow]

I don't lmao

but keep it coming

keep making excuses

[indigo matrix]

Well good on u, if u can afford it, not everyone can, thats very narrow minded to think everyone can throw money at games, ure a basement dweller buffon if u dont know whats going on outside

[charred minnow]

don't take stuff personal that isn't coming your way lmao

[warped kestrel]

None of that matters, the average casual player won't spend $1000 to get a specific SSR LD combo of 2 units, and if the average casual player can't clear the most basic equipment dungeon in the game because of this, you will end up with a dead game

[charred minnow]

imaaagine

I say something to someone else

and you take it personal

[amber burrow]

Even if you don’t, expecting someone to spend to get TWO characters needed to beat said bosses is horrible game mechanics

[charred minnow]

yeah and that I agree on

[indigo matrix]

Ure in a public channel talking shit and i cant respond to u?

How disconnected are u

[amber burrow]

Even spending 1k ur not 100% both said characters 😂

[charred minnow]

you think I called you personally a brokie

[warped kestrel]

I want this game to survive and do well, and gatekeeping the basic equipment dungeon like this won't let that happen

[charred minnow]

that's how disconnected you are

[indigo matrix]

No i dont think u called me anything i said ur take is shit, can u not read

[foggy reef]

Im my opinion hell 4 Is Easy and good hell4 equip can help you beat inferno, so Just farm more hell4 to close inferno in maybe a month

[timid wolf]

Tbf implying my problem is that im a brokie is basically saying if youre having trouble just spend money to fix the issue

[charred minnow]

it's not a take

[indigo matrix]

It is, its a stupid one at that

[charred minnow]

haha okay bro

I said you have to spend money and thats that

that was my take right?

[warped kestrel]

No one is going to grind Hell 4 for a month to then start getting the superior inferno gear, while everyone who got lucky with 2 specific units are now a whole month ahead of them. This is not how it works, no one reasonable will put up with that.

[indigo matrix]

U called someone brokie for a gachagame, its a stupid take yes are u dent?

[charred minnow]

I called him that because he got insta salty on me because I showed him my Massiah

[warped kestrel]

And this is assuming that grinding Hell 4 for a month will do that, which I doubt, because most of us are already full +15 mythic

[charred minnow]

that a f2p reroller could've gotten as well.

[timid wolf]

assumed you were the other guy flexing his Massiah

[charred minnow]

I wasn't..

[timid wolf]

that was saying the game is fine

[indigo matrix]

Okaay so u still called him that, doesnt that show how u think?

Again, are u dent?

[timid wolf]

well you can see how I got there though right

[foggy reef]

But its a way, without complain, Just playing the game how It Is and have fun getting things with hard work and not Easy way

[charred minnow]

yea sure, but still

[charred minnow]

bro go jump off a cliff idk what to tell you

[indigo matrix]

Man ure mental

[charred minnow]

ight 👍

I can't spend time on ppl like you

[gilded mirage]

People who can't farm inferno think it's magically going to make them way more powerful. People who can farm inferno will tell you it doesn't seem worth it as the drops are trash

[warped kestrel]

This would be lovely if it wasn't coming from someone who is already autofarming inferno stages and is only saying this to maintain his advantage over those he's telling that to.

[charred minnow]

my stance has been from the beginning that inferno is overtuned af

[timid wolf]

Id say its worth it lol

[charred minnow]

it should get nerfed

even for whales its overtuned lmao

it's not as if that clear was one try and boom

[gilded mirage]

The drops are literally the same with a very small chance to get 3-line shells or to get those new sets

[acoustic ivy]

LMAOOO

[charred minnow]

and that small chance makes a big diff in pvp ;-;

[timid wolf]

and they are impactful, and lets not pretend shells are also not locked behind the comp

[gilded mirage]

400 stam in Doki Inferno no new set, 1k+ stam in Inferno Nico/Sharon and not a single usable 3-line

[gilded mirage]

Bruh have you gotten anything good yet

[warped kestrel]

How is it not worth it? It gives objectively better gear, entire extra sets, and higher base stats in the case of shells. There is 0 reason to be farming Hell 4 instead of Inferno.

[charred minnow]

surely these shells won't make a difference right

[acoustic ivy]

bruh im not using any stamina at the moment im getting nothing lmao

[gilded mirage]

Exactly lmao, these people don't understand the drop rate for the new stuff is garbage

[acoustic ivy]

people think all the ones who have inferno will be farming gear during the 2x and thats so so wrong lmao

[timid wolf]

not the case and also ignoring the issue lol

[gilded mirage]

Because the droprate looks for the new stuff basically looks like the drop rate of pulling a Shadow Sania (I kid). As for higher base stats of shells, sure, BUT you need to pull a 3-line and you need to have it be usable sets

[timid wolf]

having a chance at all is better than having none

[gilded mirage]

I meaaan, if your team is 1 min clear , realistically its for Terror only

[ornate moth]

I agree that there is probably going to be a lot of outrage once most of the average pace players hit inferno. Personally I enjoy challenging fights and having to get creating to progress, but I really dislike how unfair it feels that if you happened to pull Shadow Sania you can jump right into inferno shell & terrormaton farming a couple days after hitting lv 50, while almost everyone else has to watch from the sidelines and be at a bit gear disadvantage while they build up like 10 different specific units to deal with each boss

[charred minnow]

exp farming ? seems best personally

[warped kestrel]

Again, there is 0 reason to be farming Hell 4 instead of Inferno, Hell 4 doesn't have higher rates than Inferno, and Inferno has extra sets as well as higher base stats in the case of shells. You're being extremely disingenuous.

[timid wolf]

the truth is if these same people didnt have the God comp they would be complaining like everyone else. Thats a fact lol

[gilded mirage]

Well yeah but the boost is mininal because you wont get anything isable

[acoustic ivy]

its not a fact

[arctic plover]

droprate in this game is very very good

||the rate of players dropping it that is||

[acoustic ivy]

ive proven this wrong

i dont use the god comp

[charred minnow]

oh I'm still complaining dw

[acoustic ivy]

and im not complaining

[gilded mirage]

LOOOL

[timber mica]

what comp

[foggy reef]

You can farm It later or you want tò compare you with a whale Who spend 1000€ a month? If you want to swim near whale be a whale

[acoustic ivy]

i already showed my inferno comp

[charred minnow]

I know of enough others with god comps here that are also complaining

[acoustic ivy]

its one of the pinned comps

just go look

[warped kestrel]

It's not minimal, because of the extra sets. People with inferno gear have 20+ extra speed inherently over those with Hell 4 gear, that means there's no competition to be had. And that's just speed.

[timid wolf]

I dont see it

but if you have a comp that beat Terror Inferno that doesnt include Sania Id love to see it

[acoustic ivy]

its pinned

[gilded mirage]

Also, there is a reason to farm Hell IV vs Inferno on 2x day... its cause for Doki for instance, you can clear Hell IV in 1 min vs 2-3 in Inferno though this is more for people who actually have stam hoards.

And again, you are missing the point. The drop rate of 3 line shells is probably 1-10%. The drop rate of usable 3-line shells is far below that.

[acoustic ivy]

they took a screenshot of it for me

[warped kestrel]

The whale has far bigger roster diversity as well as units with max copies. The whales have plenty of advantages already, they don't need to also gatekeep everyone else outside of the most basic equipment dungeon in the game that is required to even start playing the game and competing.

[charred minnow]

I've also seen a Veronika inferno terror lineup

should be in pins too

[arctic plover]

it's an artisan spam. You get all teh cd reducers (mia is compulsory) and put artisan on everyone. The boss can't outdamage yoru shields.

[errant mountain]

NOT THE MENTION 5 EXTRA SPEED BTW

[acoustic ivy]

im only running 3 artisans not 5

im using halloween hellkid

[gilded mirage]

Lemme know when you can pull a usable 3-line shell
I have 10, nothing has good sets. Nothing even has damn SWIFT

[warped kestrel]

It doesn't matter how bad the drop rate is, because as long as it's not worse than Hell 4, and as long as it has special unique inferno sets that give a massive PvP advantage, it is infinitely better than Hell 4.

[timid wolf]

and you think the farm content should be balanced how it is now?

not the endgame, the literal dailies

[acoustic ivy]

yeah i do

[clever tapir]

wdym dailies

[acoustic ivy]

i think S.Sania needs a nerf

[timid wolf]

you are wild and youll be playing with like 5 people

[clever tapir]

those are finished super fast

[acoustic ivy]

but i dont think the content should be easier

[clever tapir]

oh... hes a doom poster

i see

[charred minnow]

WOW why are you running inferno

shouldn't you be running Hell/Hell IV

[ornate moth]

here are some non-shadow sania nico clears. Not sure if they have been posted before

[foggy reef]

Teams are pinned, Blue Hero new meta can close inferno terror

Go farm it

[gilded mirage]

I was promised usable OP 3-line shells

[acoustic ivy]

yeah vice is super strong

[clever tapir]

forget about inferno, the first gvg will be a shit show 😂 need 9 to 12 different gear sets

[indigo matrix]

Man 4minutes clear

Thatll take u a whole day to farm if u refresh stamina lmfao

[errant mountain]

"Inferno gear can't be reliably farmed by most people and it gives those who can an advantage"
"Lol I havent even gotten anything good yet"

That's you. YOU haven't gotten anything good yet. Other people can get good gear from inferno, and even if they haven't yet, you're that many runs closer.
If you started farming inferno a couple days ago you're a couple days of stamina closer to that god roll
If I start farming inferno a week from now I'm a week of stamina behind; a week of stamina further away from that god roll.

I don't get how this is hard to understand

[gilded mirage]

Since all the people who can't clear it were crying it will make people OP

[tardy ocean]

It feels like a lot of the community Don't understand that yall need to learn to walk before sprinting. Like just because X content unlocks in this case being Inferno, it doesn't automatically mean you are going to be able to complete said content.

Case and point Ethernet Rally, so many people have trashed this part of the game calling it a p2w mode, or and the same with Infinity Train. The content isn't trash, nor is the difficulty too hard. You just need to take the time to actually play the game, to actually build units. Like to sit here as a f2p player in this community and compare your progress to the giga whales is honestly what is disingenuous and a delusional take that so many have in this community right now.

Yeah this game is advertised as a pvp gacha game and you are ment to be competitive but you aren't going to be able to do so without taking the time to build your roster and the only way you do that is by farming gear for multiple units.

People in this thread have said that Doki is the easiest inferno to clear, so then why aren't people farming it to gear up more then the same five units that every whale is using on the leaderboard clear list instead of sitting here and saying that the content is too hard?

[charred minnow]

I'm not complaining about my toy for Holden

[clever tapir]

ew bramble on holden

[gilded mirage]

It's not just me, look at all the feedback threads of people complaining about inferno drops

[gilded mirage]

Swift or bust

[gilded mirage]

That Sharon stage though where you are stuck with Light and Green units... freakin garbage

[charred minnow]

more counterattack yes please

[timid wolf]

That would be on point, if this wasnt the daily grind shit and was the actual endgame lol

[frozen stone]

Yeah my bad for not getting 2 ld units so now I’m gated from getting new gears

[clever tapir]

holdens counter atk doesnt stack with bramble

[frozen stone]

Should’ve rolled better lmao

[gilded mirage]

Don't worry, you weren't getting new gears anyway

[charred minnow]

I know it doesn't stack, it's 2 different rolls

[clever tapir]

Oo

[errant mountain]

Then imagine how it is for the people who can't even start working on that hard to obtain gear yet

[tardy ocean]

Welcome to Gacha Hero collectors. It's a daily grind no matter where you go. You don't just load up the game and click the easy button

[acoustic ivy]

wow someone with an actual solid take, finally

[timid wolf]

have played plenty before lol this is not how it should be

grinding my energy SHOULD be easy, not take manual play for several hours

[clever tapir]

idle games?

[acoustic ivy]

thats on you, i refuse to manual play

[clever tapir]

thers a auto continous button

[gilded mirage]

I'm saying people aren't getting stronger from Inferno content. Maybe a handful of lucky ones. Otherwose, its the same as everyone else, we are just trying to get more Speed on our swift modules

[frozen stone]

The strategy he mentioning walk whatever he said
Get 2 ld units to farm it now or build your characters for few months before touching inferno

[warped kestrel]

That's the issue, we can't even do the daily grinding. We WANT to be able to do the daily grind, but we can't, because the content is impossibly hard without specific SSR LDs.

[tardy ocean]

I can litterally list off 5 different gachas of the same archtype and they all include the same method of pergression

[ornate moth]

yeah. I was looking at sharon inferno clears and most of the ditings had furyedge 6/6 from farming with shadow sania to give them the damage to farm the modes where shadow sania can't be used

[acoustic ivy]

and i took the time to figure out a comp with my units that was based off of one of the asia teams so i could auto

[timid wolf]

Inferno full auto is a reasonable thing to expect? lol

[errant mountain]

The auto battle fucking sucks

😭

especially with certain units

[gilded mirage]

Beyontin says hi

[charred minnow]

I have niconana full auto with about 80% succes rate

[clever tapir]

grind hell 4 untill u get better gear then grind inferno shells

[tardy ocean]

Here, for you specifically what content are you looking to complete right now?

[errant mountain]

Does your team need twin trick on the non-dps? Yeah, you're fucked. DOes your team use beyontin. Fuck you, because why not?

[clever tapir]

beyo cant auto

[errant mountain]

Are you going against shadowflame hoyan? Yeahhh, I don't think so. get back to manualing that one

[gilded mirage]

Tbf the Twin Trick one is usable

[errant mountain]

exactly thats the point

[arctic plover]

grind hell 4 untill another game releases then you grind it instead

[errant mountain]

Doesnt lily auto twin trick highest atk

[charred minnow]

yes

[timid wolf]

and thats a shit system when the S Sania comp doesnt need to grind shit, with thrown on epics and yellows I was able to jump straight to Hell 4 on my alt account

[gilded mirage]

Yeah so just have your support have highest attack

[warped kestrel]

All inferno stages, and as fast as possible. It shouldn't take anything more than proper affinity, proper roles, and +15 mythic gear in all units to be able to do the highest difficulty of the basic equipment dungeon on auto.

[errant mountain]

To explain this one your supports will hit the boss and get counterattacked so you have to be able to stat check it

[frozen stone]

For how many weeks should I grind hell4

[clever tapir]

3 days

[frozen stone]

Yeah

[clever tapir]

The general progression transitioning from hell to inferno is to farm hell 4 for more matrix 3 gear, then tackle inferno shells, and then lastely inferno modules. not all at the same time tbh

if u dont follow that ur fked

sooo

[errant mountain]

Pretty big build constriction but thats feasible

[frozen stone]

Guys you are overreacting just farm hell 4 for 3 days

[tardy ocean]

Yeah, I'm sorry if you think you are gonna farm all inferno stages in a week and half time without putting money into the game, that's just unrealistic expectations

[gilded mirage]

The amount of time it takes the average current Inferno runner to get a usable new piece not in Hell IV is how long you'll need to farm Hell IV

[timid wolf]

it will be literally months without putting money into the game lol

[gilded mirage]

You underestiamte the power creep of the next banners

[arctic plover]

I think expecting people to swipe so they can farm gear is the unrealistic expectations

[clever tapir]

you all underestimate doki doki inferno how f2p friendly it is

[timid wolf]

its not the point of debate though

[arctic plover]

dokidoki is the only saving grace

[tardy ocean]

Damn... kinda like how it was with Summoners War, Epic Seven, Raid Shadow Legends, and so many other games when they first started out and you had to farm the same content for months on end before progressing into harder content.

[clever tapir]

use doki doki inferno to gain the gear needed for other inferno

[timid wolf]

Inferno Terror is

[gilded mirage]

Is it f2p friendly?...

[warped kestrel]

It's not unrealistic, I've max refreshed every day for 2 weeks straight, and played as efficiently as humanly possible. It should be possible to do what everyone with the 2 specific SSR LD units are doing on auto in 30 seconds, even if it takes me 1-3 minutes to auto.

[charred minnow]

1/7 content is f2p friendly W Devs

[gilded mirage]

Don't worry, even whales can't clear Sharon

[timid wolf]

yeah and everyone fucking loves those games

[fallen rune]

no one would care if we had to wait a month to farm inferno, the problem is people with SSania and Lily don't have to

[frozen stone]

You can’t even clear events shop without swiping

[clever tapir]

use doki doki inferno to gain the gear needed for other inferno

simple

[tardy ocean]

So then what is the problem

[acoustic ivy]

i can tell you right now, the easiest way to lose paying players is to make the content easier

[frozen stone]

I played e7 and none of you said is true

[gilded mirage]

Yeah there's 8 of them

[charred minnow]

whole page full of inferno sharon

[frozen stone]

Idk about the other games

[supple lichen]

lily ;-; dont have

[acoustic ivy]

if i spent all this time building a team for inferno and using resources to test out stuff and all of that doesnt matter, i would probably peace out

[gilded mirage]

Loool 8 is full page

[timid wolf]

sarcasm lol those games arent universally loved and if one comp or some niche comp you need to find a strat for on the Asian twitter are the only ways to clear endgame bosses they will lose A LOT of players

[acoustic ivy]

and i really like this game so i rather they keep the difficulty

[tardy ocean]

Did you play it when it came out in 2018 or in the later years when they gave you everything to start out?

[frozen stone]

Yes

And it didn’t require 2ld units

[acoustic ivy]

but those games are the kind of players they want

[frozen stone]

To clear wyvern

[charred minnow]

seems like more than 8 to me

[acoustic ivy]

we are here because we enjoy games like, e7 raid and summoner wars

[tardy ocean]

You cleaely mis read what I said...

[acoustic ivy]

if you want an easy game go play hoyo games and have fun

[gilded mirage]

Ah EU, right, yours is ahead. Global only has 8

[acoustic ivy]

but not every game needs to be that

[frozen stone]

What did you say exactly

[clever tapir]

ngl i thought most of the player base was from those games idk where others come from

[timid wolf]

I call BS on E7 being as gated as this also

complete BS

[acoustic ivy]

i never said goated

[clever tapir]

i see u havnt played e7 on launch

[acoustic ivy]

you did

[supple lichen]

e7 wywern/ banshee.etc is piss easy compared to er tho lol

[gilded mirage]

Early E7/SW though...

[arctic plover]

just because people in middle ages died from plague doesn't mean your new restaurant got to have rats. There is a reason e7 and sw changed this approach over time.

[frozen stone]

It’s bs

[supple lichen]

i did w13 the 4th day of my account by tryharding less than here lol in e7

[timid wolf]

as if the community hated it and they fixed it?

weirdge

[charred minnow]

E7 is not gated at all nowadays

[acoustic ivy]

i cant compare to the start of e7 i wasnt there at the start, which is why i want to focus on etheria to be here from day 1

[clever tapir]

nah its just to let new players catch up fast

[charred minnow]

can jump right into Rifts after 1-2 weeks of grinding

[frozen stone]

You could Clear wyvern but whales wanted to one shot it

That’s the difference but f2p and whale can clear it

[gilded mirage]

Took awhile though, it was made easier so newbies could catch up

[timid wolf]

if you think the difficulty of the grind content and the amount of time you have to invest into just being able to farm the gear you use is fine then cool if thats what the devs want then enjoy having a leadboard of 10 people

[supple lichen]

fair, maybe start was tougher but that was 7 years ago when e7 released

[acoustic ivy]

and this is the start of etheria so evertime it will get easier

[gilded mirage]

But early on it stayed difficult

[acoustic ivy]

but the game would be so boring if all inferno was cleared by every player as a one week

[charred minnow]

they copied a good game but forgot to copy the QoL's ;-;

[acoustic ivy]

people would leave from being bored

[charred minnow]

just like all E7 players quit after 1 week right

[clever tapir]

Lol good they didnt copy e7 giving everything for free

[timid wolf]

Why would you take a game almost 1:1 like E7 and even include the things it did shitty?

like... wut?

[acoustic ivy]

i mean thats just no true

[charred minnow]

too boring being able to farm and do pvp

[tardy ocean]

What I said is that these types of games take time to grind and get better. Hell when Epic Seven came out every whale had fucking Arby and Alexis Basket... and slammed the game. If a f2p was lucky to have they they were set but

F2p had to grind it out, hell you had people using lena, a 3 star unit as their farmer. You had to Dog walk units in order to grow your units you spent months in the same dungeon being Wyvern getting gear for your other units.

How is that any different then here!

Why do yall think Doki Doki is the only dungeon out of the three with Mobs that you can CC with Slumber and Freeze?

[charred minnow]

you're saying that if this game was too easy like E7 people would quit, but in E7 people don't quit

[gilded mirage]

Ty for this, looks like Cach is the meta for Sharon

[acoustic ivy]

i never said that

like i said i wasnt there at the start of e7

[frozen stone]

It didn’t take time for f2p clear it

[acoustic ivy]

i would perfer if you dont put words in my mouth

[frozen stone]

Whales just wanted to one shot

[charred minnow]

you didn't say that sorry?

[warped kestrel]

How would it be boring? The interesting part of the game is the PvP, not manualing inferno content. But if you really really want the challenge, feel free to remove all of your characters' modules and go into Inferno content with a bunch of level 1 3* characters. No need to gatekeep everyone from doing content because you allegedly want an artificial challenge.

[frozen stone]

I remember it very well

[acoustic ivy]

i didnt compare to e7 though?

i never said e7 was easy

[charred minnow]

but it is

[charred minnow]

want me to copy the builds

[clever tapir]

bruh u can make ur manual team into a auto team

[acoustic ivy]

ok but but you still changed what i said

[clever tapir]

theres so many auto inferno now

idk why u all keep saying manual only

[timid wolf]

at this rate inferno wont be cleared by every player in literally months unless they pull S Sania or the new LD unit power creeps the game into oblivion

which would also not be good

[charred minnow]

sure but it still disproves your stance on being boring would mean ppl quit

[acoustic ivy]

i didnt say e7 was easy, your twisting my words for your own arguments

[tardy ocean]

You mean like how it is in this game.... where whales are one shotting with lds on their team and everyone is sitting here saying how it isn't fair they can do it or that you need 2 lds to complete it when litterally no one has taken the time to build any other units.

[charred minnow]

no ppl would just put the grind on auto and play RTA

[clever tapir]

check the pins do u see any s sanida

[charred minnow]

or Ember Trek

or Ethernet Rally

[gilded mirage]

All good, I basically get it, Cachi S3 and then pray you kill her in time within immunity

[warped kestrel]

Are there a lot of auto infernos that don't require SSR LDs or inferno gear that was farmed by having SSR LDs beforehand? dang, that's good to know. Can I get some?

[charred minnow]

ye pump him up with enough Effect ACC too

[clever tapir]

Nico made one

[surreal bobcat]

@charred minnow whats your auto team for inferno nico?

[frozen stone]

Whales are not doing one shot here you either need to have the specific ld characters or you can’t clear
In e7 you can clear but it takes longer per fight

[timid wolf]

and you think every person can pull that off or find a comp that works in a reasonable amount of time to be able to farm the BASIC DAILIES?

[gilded mirage]

Yup to always get 2 turn immunity

[charred minnow]

it's the ssania team

[acoustic ivy]

theres teams that require no LD

[clever tapir]

??? wdym basic daily tf? there super simple?

[warped kestrel]

Which ones?

[acoustic ivy]

dude its not

stop spreading miss information

and lying

[charred minnow]

???

[acoustic ivy]

my s.sania is not even built

[charred minnow]

brother

go read

[amber burrow]

He was referring to himself not you

[timid wolf]

Inferno is not simple lol Inferno terror is ridiculously hard and I have zero viable units for Doki without pulling latices out of my ass

[acoustic ivy]

oh my bad

[charred minnow]

@surreal bobcat

[clever tapir]

Your telling me theses dailies are hard?

thats a skill issue

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/994370183932162150/997078591869292635/wesleyoppa-1.gif

[charred minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-sweat-heat-hot-wipe-sweat-gif-17716050

[timid wolf]

not those stop being intentionally obtuse lol

[clever tapir]

you legit said dailies

[timid wolf]

yeah because you log on DAILY to spend your stamina no?

and at this stage you spend that on gear

[acoustic ivy]

i guess we can all agree to disagree cause this isnt going anywhere

some of us dont want it to change

and some of you do

[clever tapir]

who said u need to spend it on inferno like what?

[acoustic ivy]

lmao

theres no middle ground here

[charred minnow]

it should be made easier

[acoustic ivy]

i disagree

[amber burrow]

Either make it easier or buff characters for more diversity

[timid wolf]

holy shit you dont NEED to but its most beneficial to and its locked behind either being a forum diver for some niche ass comp of bullshit or 2 LD units

[warped kestrel]

Just wait until all the casuals make it to 50, you'll see it's more than "some of us"

[timid wolf]

I have the latter

[tardy ocean]

That's not true at all... there is litteral teams and video proof of them doing it. On auto mind you it's been posted in this thread as well as the others a number of time.

People just do not have the patiance and have this unrealistic fear of.

"If i can't farm inferno, I'm gonna fall behind and never be the best."

Like...yall already need to realize something. It doesn't matter what you do... you are always going to be behind someone because while you aren't playing the game someone else is and is passing you.

[timid wolf]

but not everyone is as lucky

[clever tapir]

????? rilmocha doki doki has zero ld units aside from a sr

[acoustic ivy]

my stance wont change, dont nerf the content, s.sania needs the nerf

[timid wolf]

Inferno Terror

I swear you are intentionally misunderstanding lol

[charred minnow]

there's always bigger fish, literally 🐟 🐋 🐳

[clever tapir]

FARM DOKI DOKI FIRST TO GET THE GEAR FOR TERROR ITS SO SIMPLE

sheesh

[timid wolf]

I DONT HAVE RILMOCHA

[clever tapir]

use xiadia

use grayu

[timid wolf]

I dont have Xadia, I dont have Massiah

I dont have Rosa

[quasi laurel]

the only dps you need for dokidoki inferno is called revelation

[clever tapir]

u have gray

[timid wolf]

not built

[warped kestrel]

Like...yall already need to realize something. It doesn't matter what you do... you are always going to be behind someone because while you aren't playing the game someone else is and is passing you.

There is a stability refill cap in this game, so this is not true. There is objectively a limit to how much you can progress in a day, however, those who are doing inferno are progressing much faster than everyone who isn't.

[quasi laurel]

(which should be fixed btw)

[tardy ocean]

Like, people need to be real with themselves.

[frozen stone]

Anyway it’s pointless to argue further It’s honestly poor game design when the only thing stopping you from clearing gear farming PvE content is the lack of a specific LD unit

[clever tapir]

once again check the damn pins

[timid wolf]

and the gear from Doki Doki Inferno is not going to enable a team of mine to beat Inferno Terror

thats just not true lol

[sly ravine]

i'd love to be creative about team builds, sadly shadowprints and lattices don't grow on trees. can be a perfect way to brick ypur account

[clever tapir]

Swift set wdym

[tardy ocean]

If you think whales are buying the packs and using their stablizers even the weekly ones... i don't know what to tell you.

[acoustic ivy]

you right not everyone here is as lucky, i dont have khloris i dont have the beyontin, i dont have the rosa and i dont have the hein. I dont waste my time complaining and i make a team with my units that works

[charred minnow]

luckily you don't need those for inferno

[clever tapir]

they dont bother to use thier brains to think of a comp, only copy

[timid wolf]

so grind for weeks to get amazing swift sets then make a team of pure supports filled with Artisan to just tank through it in however many minutes

[acoustic ivy]

your right and i left the lily and s.sania on the bench

[timid wolf]

like HOW is that fun?

[acoustic ivy]

i left the messiah on the bench

just to prove a silly point that you need them

[charred minnow]

can you show proof? I mean I know about your off meta inferno build

[clever tapir]

its a grind like all gacha games

[warped kestrel]

Again, there is a set limit to how much stability you can use in a day, the only thing separating progression speed is whether you can do inferno or not at this point. Everyone who knows what they're doing is also hoarding their Mental Stabilizers for the x2.

[frozen stone]

My bad bro use ur brain to clear terro inferno

I’m inferior to ur brain

[timid wolf]

you guys are brainwashed if you think this is fun, the point I think the majority are making is this shit is ass, if you like it have at it but the general playerbase wont stick around

[acoustic ivy]

i only use lily for phantom theater her skills are not leveled

[clever tapir]

he already did

[timid wolf]

and the game will just become another summ war that one forum talks about lol

[charred minnow]

nice

[acoustic ivy]

same with messiah and mio

[clever tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297147511261102090/1369833268215676938/Screen_Recording_20250507_202421_Filmora_1.gif

[charred minnow]

my mio is benched too

[tardy ocean]

There are guilds that were litterally expected to be at higher ranks before the 2x was even announced. Yeah now people are saving them but still the point stands.

[charred minnow]

I don't like mio that much prefer kazuyo

[coarse dirge]

question

so a lot of PVE gacha games with barely any end game have longevity and those games allow you to farm end game gear with basic free units early on in the game. and people still farm for them for years and years with no incentive other just having bigger numbers

so why is it that a PVP gacha game apparently has to have a difficult farming stage for it to have longevity?

someone enlighten me actually maybe im not looking into it properly

[charred minnow]

because apparently your brain is inferior to others (this is in reference that what was happening above, not calling you small brained fr fr)

;-;

[frozen stone]

So they can sell packs early on

[timid wolf]

they all came from games that didnt respect the playerbases time so they think thats OK and good design

[tardy ocean]

Hot take, Kraken is stronger then Mio.

[arctic plover]

because in 1796 french peasants had it worse so you should compare it to that timeframe

[timid wolf]

agree, easier to speed tune

[clever tapir]

so hoyo games? cuz they dont respect thier playerbase

[timid wolf]

thats not the gotcha you think it is

they definitely do not

[tardy ocean]

Easier to speed tune and a higher chance to freeze even with both units maxed skill out.

[timid wolf]

only downside is that omega CD

[charred minnow]

ok but for real which gacha game has harder PvE, asking as I'm genuinely intrigued and might try it out

[timid wolf]

better hope you win round 2 after the freeze 😛

[worn wigeon]

People generally spend more when they are frustrated and less when they are satisfied. I guess it's their way of making money

[charred minnow]

most gacha's I played didn't have this difficulty

except for E7 Abyss

[tardy ocean]

Regular Abyss is a joke till floor 101

[timid wolf]

R1999 endgame PVE modes are hard AF

and they take grind

[clever tapir]

harder pve? summoners war even with all the free stuff still takes a while to beat the hardest stages even with copying people who played for 10 years

[timid wolf]

the daily stam spending is easy tho, weird

[arctic plover]

don't think people necessarily compalin about the ember trek even if it's hard

[frozen stone]

Guys just use ur brain and build a comp

[charred minnow]

I should really try out SW huh

[frozen stone]

Choose one of those teams

[warped kestrel]

No gacha has this level of difficulty on the basic equipment dungeons. They may on weekly/monthly content that is not necessary but yield nice extra rewards. No gacha is dumb enough to gatekeep players from the most basic content required to play the game.

[clever tapir]

yea hf with the no pity too

[charred minnow]

is it that bad, or still playable?

[sly ravine]

what? you can do giants, dragons and necro in less than a week, what are you saying?

[desert glacier]

does anybody have any information on these teams? just got mio last night but not tryna invest in these runs if lattice requirement too high or low success rate

[timid wolf]

Holden must be broken AF /s

[quasi laurel]

some people still mentally unable to understand the core issue, dayum

[clever tapir]

abyss?

[sly ravine]

yes

[clever tapir]

only if u know what ur doing

[frozen stone]

He there to strip the immunity

[timid wolf]

I know 😛

its sarcasm

[ruby canyon]

yeah I don't think anything has stamina content that is very hard let alone inferno level

[frozen stone]

[warped kestrel]

I have sub 30 second auto teams for every single thing in SW, and there has always been F2P teams that can clear highest difficulty rune dungeons on auto.

[clever tapir]

still playable but dont expect to get any 5 star or 5 star ld

[charred minnow]

challenge accepted I'll make a SW account right now right here

[arctic plover]

to be fair if you know what you are doing you can clear it here as well.

specifically you need to know how to pull better

[timid wolf]

but 8 years ago E7 was apparently just like this so its ok, good even!

[clever tapir]

thats why i said only if u know what ur doing bro

[frozen stone]

Mind you all of these players have l almost the same gears as u the only difference you don’t have the specific ld unit

[tardy ocean]

Real question here, and I'm being 100% serious.

Is it the dungeons being gatekept.

Or is it the resources to build up a character that are time gated the issue. Because if we are being honest here. The major difference between being able to properly test out all the units is the lack of skill up resorces from week to week to where animus are not fully preforming and able to stand out and shine.

[ruby canyon]

i played e7 it wasn't, wyvern 10 was very doable week 1 with stuff like angelica alexa taramor guard

[clever tapir]

why do u refuse to check the pins?

[arctic plover]

none of these people played it, they are just saying it

[ruby canyon]

which are all 3* or 4* RGB

[sly ravine]

look up a guidew there's tons of them, and not much depth to them, just get more or less some basic units and gg

[warped kestrel]

But that's the thing, everyone who has made it to inferno in this game is a tryhard that has been max refreshing every day, and we still can't do inferno without specific premium units, this is unreasonable.

[frozen stone]

Why do I check pins when I can see it in game

[arctic plover]

and e7 had built-in reroll so you could get them if you wanted

[charred minnow]

that came in a lot later than release tho

[ruby canyon]

true but i dont think you could reroll for LDs that way

[clever tapir]

specific unit yes but thats just cuz no one tried others yet. @acoustic ivy made a auot terror team that isnt meta

[charred minnow]

no idd it was only for episode 1 characters

[desert glacier]

bump, if anyone knows, hmu please 🙏

[timid wolf]

they think 1 or 2 examples of it being done without completely discounts that 98% of clears are done with one comp

[arctic plover]

yeah, there were only a few characters there

[acoustic ivy]

its pointless, people dont get it, its like taking to a bunch of walls

https://tenor.com/view/fall-turtle-funny-clumsy-gif-14642710

im out peace!

[tardy ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-turtles-zombie-kid-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-tortoise-tortuga-gif-16340543

[worn wigeon]

The funny thing is, the comps people keep throwing out there that have different team comps have max duped characters. Even if we had twice as good gear we still couldn't match them

[charred minnow]

@clever tapir

[clever tapir]

hf

[ruby canyon]

it's unreasonable for people to build niche comps to maybe clear inferno modes very slowly when most have not that much gear and mats to build more than like 7-8 units

[tardy ocean]

Me over here with E7, SW, Raid, ER and ShadowVerse WB all installed and active hours in them....

I may need help lol

[charred minnow]

I tried out Raid but didn't enjoy, but I have tons of hours on E7

[arctic plover]

because ingame you will only see shadow sania. Since those teams are from recent people had to camp the recent tab and quickly screenshot it and post here before it disappears

[warped kestrel]

I saw this yesterday, I have all those units except Khloros. That's still 3 very specific SSR units in that team, and if you're missing one of them, like in my case, what next?

And is that really auto?

[clever tapir]

theres no khloros tho?

[worn wigeon]

The thing is I don't actually find that unreasonable, but only if everyone is in the same position. The reason it's unreasonable is because people that got lucky with pulls don't have this issue, they can do 75% of the pve with 1 comp

[tardy ocean]

Idk, it could be a hot take from me.

But, I think people just need to give shit time and people to cook. We already had people creating teams that had no LDs in them and with the tight resorce timegate... i expect more teams to come out over the given weeks.

[clever tapir]

they want it now tho idk what to say

[timid wolf]

its probably abusing the same Artisan stacking thing the other comp I have seen thrown around as an example of how the game is fine

[worn wigeon]

Have you seen the dupes on those runs. Try and find a character that isn't 5/5 dupes

[acoustic ivy]

ok but you can beat it without the dupes

my holden is duped for the views, i had volkin do my pulls and i said sure why not for the views

[warped kestrel]

Oh is that last unit Holden? I can't see it well

[acoustic ivy]

i would of done the same comp without the dupes

[worn wigeon]

Probably, you would just need to compensate for all the dupe bonuses with exceptional gear

[clever tapir]

yes its holden

[acoustic ivy]

sure it will be faster with dupes

[tardy ocean]

Kinda like the people who were all up in arms because Shadow Sania couldn't be used in aurora and they had invested in her and wanted to reconfigure but couldn't and out cried for a free reset....

Yet those same people are still using the shadow sania they invested in, in other areas of the game because they realized she wasn't as bad a unit as they thought.

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

[acoustic ivy]

all my gear was terrible lmao, i had yellow gear on 3 of my 5 units lmao

[warped kestrel]

Don't have Holden either

[clever tapir]

spoiled id say

[ruby canyon]

depends which bosses, I've done most inferno modes with quite a shallow roster and almost no dupes

[timid wolf]

Volkin has also said his next video will be about how overtuned Inferno is, I dont even understand how its an argument right now

[clever tapir]

his banner is up

[acoustic ivy]

thats fine, hes allowed to have different opinions then me, were adults lol

we dont always have to see eye to eye

[timid wolf]

you dont but like... you see how much of a minority you are?

[worn wigeon]

Very nice then, you must have a good roster with good gear

[timid wolf]

and you're talking like we are the morons

[arctic plover]

holden is very good

[acoustic ivy]

thats ok, i can be a minority and have a different opinion

just because more people disagree with me doesnt mean i have to change my opinion on the topic

[azure hare]

Time to cry because the game isn't hoyo easy

[tardy ocean]

My favorite content creator said it so it must be true. While other content creators are saying that they don't understand why people feel the need to rush the content.

Not trying to sound like a ass here... but basing your logic on what a content creator says... doesn't always end well in any game not just gacha.

[worn wigeon]

I think this brainstorming channel has just turned into 50% complaining and 50% defending 😂

[clever tapir]

Im lvl 56 and im not crying i cant do inferno

cuz i already made a plan to do so by farming for better gear

[ruby canyon]

uhhh 1.0 moc10 was very difficult at the start, problem is this is farm content, no one is complaining about ember trek difficulty

[clever tapir]

first

[quasi laurel]

it is not 50% defending, it is the same handful of elitists who want to keep it the way it is so they can farm while the majority can not 🙂

[azure hare]

because they log out before they can play it

[tardy ocean]

I love volkin, don't get me wrong and I help him where I can, but Volkin also likes to speedrun things so idk

[acoustic ivy]

that doesnt add up, @deac just said im in the moniroty so its more like 70% complaining and 30% defending

[clever tapir]

he also wanted to reset xiadia after the cant steal buffs lol but now look at xiadia clearing inferno safer than rimocha

[worn wigeon]

I think the reason people are getting more hyped up than most games is because this is meant to be PvP focused. So those that can farm inferno easy early on are going to have a big head start.

[charred minnow]

imho I want to try out Xiada

[ruby canyon]

you can complain about people speedrunning things but these will be problems for the average player in a few weeks, and they will have less resources and optimisation on avg than hardcore players and whales right now

[azure hare]

well....its because of the thing

[charred minnow]

character looks cool and if it can clear stuff even better

[azure hare]

that we dont talk about so she stays good

[timid wolf]

Im not basing it on a CC lol but look at the general sentiment here

is that not showing what the community thinks?

[tardy ocean]

As I said before, you are always going to be behind someone no matter what game you play.

[clever tapir]

66 point ups is the whole community?

[azure hare]

well obviously because the ones that can clear it are playing the content lol

the ones that cant are here crying

[clever tapir]

Ooo tru

[warped kestrel]

If this was a PvE game I don't think anyone reasonable would be complaining about extreme difficulty, as there'd be literally nothing to the game beyond PvE difficulty. But we're playing this to PvP - if we can't even gear properly, we're not playing in an even-playing field, thus, there's no PvP integrity.

[gilded mirage]

These people obviously haven't seen the Shadow Sania Wars

[timid wolf]

I do clear the content lol but I can see the issue

stamina spent for the day

[azure hare]

"even playing field" i guess you forgot this was a game with swiping

[worn wigeon]

Yeh but I think it hurts more than normal due to these circumstances. I normally don't care assuming people will outspend me and be miles ahead. But people aren't going miles ahead due to outspending. Iv seen some big spenders quit because they were missing either ssania or lily.

[warped kestrel]

Sure, there are exceptions, but that's something we have accepted to overlook the moment we came into a gacha game, and in fact, the devs making it so dupes don't give massive, unreasonable advantages in PvP is a big reason we even gave this game a shot.

[clever tapir]

big spenders wouldnt they just spend more?

[azure hare]

well theyd just buy a ssania and lily account lol

i know of someone who did

[clever tapir]

tru tru

[tardy ocean]

I actually want to ask you who are these "big spenders" who quit.

[clever tapir]

we all know scarlet is all the biggest spenders and they stayed

[worn wigeon]

People have limits. If you got 8 dokis and still didn't have a lily you'd get quite annoyed

[clever tapir]

thats tru

[warped kestrel]

There are degrees to spenders, some are going to spend $10k and guarantee everything, some will only spend 500-1000, and within that amount it's still conceivable that you may not get everything

[clever tapir]

ik im still missing 5 ssrs

[ashen prism]

Ya but that’s also what comes with gacha..they know, and as everyone should know..doesn’t matter what you spend..you may not get who ya want 💁🏼‍♂️

[worn wigeon]

I also think the low numbers of characters don't help, if your missing a main character theres no easy replacement