inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[loud locust]

okay well

[arctic plover]

there were two in fact, both about complaining, one closed and this hijacked

[loud locust]

take it somewhere else because I'm trying to find real solutions not just complaints

[arctic plover]

real solution is on XD, not on us

[loud locust]

we dont need to go in circles bc we have all the complaints in the thread above

if u wanna go back and read

u can

but im trying to help rn

[sacred mirage]

tbh taketsumi they gonna do what they gonna do. they already shadow nerfing units and whales are getting pissed. they know this as well as anybody else.

Ultimately they know if this keeps up and people stay frustrated with no way to handle it, this will impact bottom line. saying it in this chat in a repetitive fashion wont do much.

[loud locust]

and not derail a ton

[tardy ocean]

That moment when litterally no units have been touched at all..

[loud locust]

it was going well earlier but every now and then someone comes in to doom

[sacred mirage]

when whales refund thousands and notice they dont have Ssania on the account, they will recognie a pattern

[loud locust]

and gothy let's stop arguing pls

[tardy ocean]

Apologies

[loud locust]

thank u guys I'm really not trying to be toxic here and say ur not allowed but I hope yall understand why I want to give more space to healthy convos and strategizing for now

the thread will continue with complaints later on

[sacred mirage]

also C is primarily a community facing guy without dev privileges more than likely. he's just doing his job

he aint the issue

[loud locust]

i also cant immediately tell devs to rush into nerfing this

until we have it gauged well

[undone lantern]

its fine I just wanted to drop my 2 cents on that even if it's not appreciated. I feel like if you come to the feedback channel you've agreed to a TOS that there will be doom posting and frustration. but ill leave it at that.

[loud locust]

sure, but also consider what im trying to do and I hope you're cool with that as well

🫡

come in here later on but im just trying to direct focus for now

[sacred mirage]

i think we should have a thread tho that allows taketsumi and my other posting to be allowed in without it being shut down cuz its a real problem

[rigid kettle]

we'll eventually auto clear it without relying on dot comp, all they have to do is sell the solution , create problem, sell the solution

[undone lantern]

HP% dmg that can crit just saying

[rigid kettle]

[loud locust]

it's already been well discussed in this thread and in other threads, I think people should just either take a break for a moment and breathe or help strategize in other ways

[sacred mirage]

reality is sania having no impact or interaction with both defense or proc chance is wild

[loud locust]

otherwise it's not accomplishing anything that hasn't been said

**ANYWAYS GUYS PLS BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR INFERNO TEAM BUILDS THAT ARE UNIQUE AND NOT USING SSANIA/LILY!! Whether it's on grim pursuit or threshold bosses. TY!! take screenshots like this to help us figure out more strats
**

[sick crater]

Everyone understands what you are trying to do, but there just isnt a solution. You have one teamcomp that clears the hardest content with epic gear when nothing else works. Even if you find 3 comps of fully maxed characters it wouldnt ammount to anything. This is just disingenious to keep pretending this isnt a thing.

[sacred mirage]

its not about accomplishing anything. its about accountability to the frustration the system created and allowing that expression in a way that isnt going to inevitably bleed elsewhere

containment zone helps to that end

[loud locust]

no one is pretending it isnt a thing

thank you

but it doesnt mean I shouldnt encourage finding more solutions

than can apply to more people

[undone lantern]

its okay it's alrdy solved but it isnt pretty vid drops in 3 days that'll change global forever

[loud locust]

I hope you can respect what im doing for people who don't want to sit around and complain over and over when everbyody understands

[sick crater]

You are. You keep leading the blind in a wild goose chase for another comp that could do the same when everyone knows theres no such a thing.

[sacred mirage]

said in a more charitable way C, the fact another team found to work having Mio just kicks the can down the l/d rabbit hole instead of giving a solution.

a lot of the epic 7 wyvern comps since hte game's inception has been a standard RGB unit sorta deal

we dont have that

if we did, this goes away

[fervent fox]

The worst thing is that C is trying to brainstorm meaning the Devs havent realized what the problem really is yet and it will stay like this until they do. And here i am b4 reading this chat thinkin that they must have been working on it like crazy 😂

[sacred mirage]

C isnt a dev and they may be in another timezone. iirc the company is in singapore

[fading stream]

Hey for someone that doesnt have lily or S sonia, im definitely going to invest into Khloros and Veronika to clear inferno Terror, yes it will take more resources but at least its a alternative than waiting around till you pull lily and s sania

[loud locust]

again it's been like a day and a half of this being a topic

we're aware and monitoring and im making our teams aware

[sacred mirage]

like can we just not act like C is the issue here

fr

[loud locust]

but it doesnt mean the solution HAS to be rushed

[undone lantern]

gl using those in Inferno shells to make ur furyedge pieces work

[loud locust]

please refer to my initial pin

[sacred mirage]

i dont agree with bro's approach but i know it aint him

hes doin what he can with the resources he has

[devout geyser]

I definitely respect what you're trying to do and I think it's a really positive approach to the problem which I admire. And I appreciate you actually taking the time to chat with the community about it. But the problem shouldn't have been created to begin with, which is what people are frustrated by (which I know you're already aware of). I hope more comps come to light that can auto clear, but I also just want people to enjoy the actual game as much as they did the beta.

[loud locust]

I want people to enjoy the game too which is why I've said I'm also aware of all the problems with ssania/lily

[tidal arch]

People want it to be rushed because a x2 is coming soon is frustrasting

[loud locust]

and also portraying this monitoring to the devs

[fading stream]

well thats alright i will just hoard them til i can clear inferno nico c:

[undone lantern]

the young and naive

[amber burrow]

That x2 will make the gap so large for awhile smh

[undone lantern]

bro copying our route and hasn't reached the dead end yet @fervent fox

[tribal osprey]

Dw guys. A couple more day for a ssania. Trust

[fervent fox]

and thats where i disagree, it has to be rushed bcs the giga whales and well informed players are FAR away from clearing reliably without dots let alone auto farm. What do you think will happen if casual players hit that wall thats too big for us?

[loud locust]

the wall may not be as big once new things are discovered, so rushing it within 2 days for such a major change is not the solution either

be patient

we'll know within a few days

[tidal arch]

Even if we get to see teams working without Lily and sania, then i gotta build 20 pjs with 100 skill ups doing a 4 min clears while they farm with the same thing everything sub 1 min 8 skill ups

[loud locust]

i understand autoing is important here, and even those ssania teams can't auto the shell bosses yet

still manual

id personally rather have a 2/3 min auto team than a manual 30s ssania team i gotta repeat over and over

[undone lantern]

see that's where I can't agree, in gacha games in this competitive market. First impressions are everything. If you react you will get drowned when ppl leave to the next new hottest thing that isn't making them dislike the game

[loud locust]

so that's why im just taking my time and being patient and encouraging everyone to help instead of just complaining using the same talking points we all already know

[fervent fox]

i got no problem with teams being fully skillupped its endgame content u gotta build endgame teams. Problem is that even that wont help you much in current state

[loud locust]

sure, but two truths can exist!

:)

[undone lantern]

yes realitive and absolute.

and we all know im never wrong

[loud locust]

I encourage you to take a break from discord for now man

[tacit spoke]

factual and delusional?

[devout geyser]

I definitely agree it should be rushed because I think once the casual playerbase reaches this and realizes just how far off they are from clearing it, they're going to get even more discouraged seeing the gap between f2p and spenders grow and probably start quitting. Casual players are not going to go through this much effort to minmax a team that can clear content like we're doing in this thread. And games need casual playerbases to survive.

[undone lantern]

thats a joke btw

[arctic plover]

eh, there is an argument to do devlistened farming.

Worked for wuwa

[loud locust]

luckily the most casual players have some time for strats to be found before getting there

[arctic plover]

you intentionally/unintentionally fuck things up then fix it

[loud locust]

but i do understand the fear here

[devout geyser]

That's true, it's just the limited roster due to it also being a gacha. My F2P acc is in shambles when it comes to endgame clears. That's a long ways off lmao.
(Over 450 pulls and still no Marvell or Chiaki the Echo on my f2p btw. The gacha can really f you. So even tho my whale acc is doing fine, I can see the f2p perspective and it's a little grim)

[amber burrow]

So we are suppose to sit around and wait while only a certain group of players get to enjoy the game and continue to progress at an even faster pace with the 2x near. Why are we not getting a full announcement made asking for time, which show that the devs truly are aware of the problem? Casual players aren’t gonna sit around when not even the devs will tell us info till day of. there is so many more gacha games coming out to be taking this casually imo. but hey guess we will see

[undone lantern]

yes

[fallen rune]

no, we're supposed to use all of our resources theory crafting alternatives and pray they work

or wait for someone else to and copy them

[undone lantern]

and when they dont?

[loud locust]

man this thread was so productive earlier

🤣

[wary fractal]

kyoya while we appreciate the yipyap, wheres the doc

[fervent fox]

id really like to know what exactly was it that made devs decide to buff thoose dungeons like that, almost as if they had a problem with ppl cleaing it. And noone can tell me they tested it while making that.

[tacit spoke]

devs are just afraid of a kickback that will happen from the group of ppl that are speed clearing things right now just as it did when they just bug fixed aurora, it was madness

[wary fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/time-pass-waiting-gif-24397886

[undone lantern]

the doc is just "play dot or quit"

that's why im hear

[wary fractal]

xDDD

[undone lantern]

cause ill get angry comments

like I alrdy did

[tidal arch]

Lmaoo

[arctic plover]

and then you will be stuck with cachi the guard composition that manages to take 80% of the boss hp before dying

(cachi the guard is good in some of them, but it's possible you won't pass the damage check)

[undone lantern]

so im just doing what C is doing here, passing the feedback on

[wary fractal]

clear and concise doc

[undone lantern]

but it's getting declined

[loud locust]

you guys are so petty somtimes lal

just trying to do the best job i can with what limited power I have

[undone lantern]

ya actually u right there

[loud locust]

relax

[carmine palm]

Calling angry people petty, that's a bold customer service strategy.

[amber burrow]

For real.

[loud locust]

it's the people being petty directly towards me

[fervent fox]

hes not wrong tho

[undone lantern]

nha but he isnt wrong

[loud locust]

not towards the devs

[undone lantern]

i am being petty

but I think the frustration is warranted

[arctic plover]

that is the real culprit.

Drastic changes to the progression happening after the final beta and being untested is what lead us to this.

It's funny, but after beta many of us had nothing to do and ended up watchign people from content creator server, and every single video from it essentially was obsolete the day it was released as nobody had any idea that the bosses will get buffed so much.

[loud locust]

im chillin even if taket is frustrated im not mad at him

[undone lantern]

there is 2 sides to the coin

like I have nothing against C

we have difference in opinion here is all

and yes I am being petty about it

but it's cause I am adament that "waiting and seeing" is the wrong choice

[loud locust]

everybody does here and thats why I don't want everyone to keep arguing it's a complex topic, and throughout the day we've all covered every single possible argument and discussion about why this situation isn't fun

[loud locust]

you know how sensitive people are to changes rn

last thing I want is a rushed change that causes more problems

[undone lantern]

changes that negatively impact them

[loud locust]

even if ppl are mad for 2 more days

[undone lantern]

positively impact them = no prob at all

making changes for those without a team would go over well

[amber burrow]

People are sensitive to negativity change. Nobody would complain about majority of the player base having an easier time/less luck dependent time.

[loud locust]

sure but finding the middle ground between being too easy and too hard is still important

there's a reason it's not as easy as the beta

[fervent fox]

no it will be a slight problem but ppl will cry abt every change "i built that while i couldve built that gimme reset"

[devout geyser]

I've been trying to be nicer / more productive towards you because I know none of this is your fault 😂 but you gotta realize a lot of us have been 50+ for days and it's just a brick wall of progression so ppl are annoyed. And I think it's safe to say everyone here really wants the game to succeed, so even if we argue we all have the same goal in the end.

[undone lantern]

the only negativity has been from the Dev's choosing to go out of their way to fix bugs they could've ignored or spent less time fixing than just remove the mechanic outright

when you go out of ur way to make content more exclusive

[fervent fox]

but better then the alternative

[undone lantern]

yes ppl will be mad

if u go out of ur way to make it accessible

nobody gonna be mad

[sour lotus]

They don't need to rush anything but imo devs really need more frequent communication with us so we can be let in on their thoughts of the current state of things and the players can voice their agreements and disagreements in return

[undone lantern]

DOT will still do DOT

but now others do other things

if the Dev's are afraid of that

maybe they shouldnt be in this business?

[loud locust]

Some doki inferno teams. Seems like doki isn't a worry

[sour lotus]

Like hearing from the devs what they want Inferno to be like and what they're thinking would also help forming Feedback for example

[fervent fox]

nope doki is completely fine. Many ways to clear

[devout geyser]

Yeah doki is for sure manageable with some variety bc the mobs aren't cc immune.

[loud locust]

yeah agreed

[undone lantern]

i do appreciate the Module clear team archive 👍 but majority of ppl are talking about the inferno SHELL difficulty exclusively

[loud locust]

yeah seems fine

[undone lantern]

which is also why I think merging

isnt helpful

cause it's 2 diff discussions

trying to smokebomb by merging

intentional or unintentional that may be

[loud locust]

aurora and doki seem to have quite a few easy teams so im not worried , terror has like 3 or 4 that are working with maybe some more on their way , and nico ive only seen one so far outside of ssania and am looking for more

[arctic plover]

then give a reset.

People are happy to say it's a marathon and not a race. Income is also a marathon and not a race, in the long run a reset isn't going to affect anything (and probably not even in a short run).

[devout geyser]

We would probably see more experimental comps with resets as well

[carmine palm]

Aurora has only been cleared by 3 people on global... dunno how that's quite a few easy teams

[devout geyser]

Hard to say what else can possibly clear when you're punished for building something off meta.

[errant mountain]

^ because if it doesn't work it's just wasted resources

[errant mountain]

Aurora just seems to be 2 healers+valerian based off what I remember from looking at live server inferno

[amber burrow]

And without resets your cooked lol

[tidal arch]

And one is a dude with full dupe massiah

[errant mountain]

which is actually fairly doable

[undone lantern]

btw those 3 runs are a 12 minute run, a manual run when u lily a Lingluo and the guy who has 5/5 messiah with furyedge online

[tidal arch]

A dude clearing it in 12 mins

[fervent fox]

i think the main reason we arent getting this as fast as we should be is bcs ppl cried to much abt every little thing b4. How much mimimi was there abt need of a reset event bcs of ssania and 99% ppl built sania after the event came out instead of resetting her

[undone lantern]

who is #1 in the global

[errant mountain]

OH RIGHT ITS MANUAL SINCE YOU NEED TWIN TRICK ON LINGLUO 💀

[fervent fox]

they are afraid of another crybaby attack

[errant mountain]

that run took FOREVER

[arctic plover]

I can't take somebody saying "it's easy" seriously if they haven't done it themself tbh

[loud locust]

oh LOLL

i thought there were a lot more now

[errant mountain]

I love super long manual runs 🔥

[loud locust]

well aurora isn't a big concern rn then ppl just need better gear (at least for now until we can gauge it better)

[undone lantern]

let us begin our 6-7 minute manual clear (note that sonly animation time not actual selection time accounted for) for our daily 1.3k stam

[tacit spoke]

[undone lantern]

okay jokes aside

[limber palm]

Only 1 in asia

[undone lantern]

aurora u should do last and have cracked gear anyway

so that one yes just wait

[sick crater]

That they are supposed to get how? Spam Ssania? Thats the whole point of the discussion 😭

[errant mountain]

aurora got the goofy ahh sets yea

[loud locust]

what

[arctic plover]

fury and momentum are great

[fervent fox]

np tho they are all manuel and 5 minutes+ probably also lucky runs and extremely unreliable

[loud locust]

ssania isnt used on aurora bro

[fervent fox]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[loud locust]

yeah i already looked

just means it's hard asf

[errant mountain]

ssania doesnt work into aurora

[loud locust]

which is in consideration for balancing and adjustment

[tidal arch]

He meant how are you supposed to get that better gear without ssania

[fallen rune]

he's saying that the people with ssania will get better gear because they can do the other inferno content and then be able to clear aurora

[carmine palm]

Noone said ssania worked in aurora, he said how is he supposed to get gear for aurora if he doesn't have ssania

[sick crater]

The gear. How are they supposed to get the gear.

[fallen rune]

like...

[loud locust]

we're finding ways

[fervent fox]

the problem with all bosses isnt the mechanics anyway

its the stats

[errant mountain]

ssania is pretty mid in doki but yea its rlly hard to clear terror w/o her

[arctic plover]

12 minute gigachad still using tiamat

[tidal arch]

Bro if i have to skill ups khloros and stuff for terror i'm crying 🥀

[arctic plover]

you have to skill up khloros for the guild boss. Go spend lattices for the common good smh my head

[carmine palm]

Whole thing reminds me of a different Inferno difficulty discussion... 13 years ago. “Internally, we had this super hardcore test team – we’ve got a lot of hardcore players at Blizzard – that tested Inferno, and we got it to the point where they thought it was challenging enough. Then we doubled it. Because we knew, no matter how good we are, our players are gonna be better. We focused on making that as difficult as we could make it.” - Jay Wilson on D3

[tidal arch]

Never

[fervent fox]

if you expect to clear hardest content ingame without skilling up units i am gonna turn around and agree with c that it is fine as it is lmao

[limber palm]

your non meta inferno teams I guess

[tidal arch]

Obviously not

I just don't want khloros

[loud locust]

for what bosses

oh wait

thats on the profile

[limber palm]

Terror left, doki right

[loud locust]

yep

wow

[arctic plover]

we have a world renowned chef here

[loud locust]

yeah seems like the main concerns here are shell bosses and aurora difficulty

[tidal arch]

Wrf is that light guy 😭 a revelation abuser?

[sudden wedge]

hp% scaling dmg

[bitter belfry]

Most def

[fervent fox]

extreme stall abuse

[loud locust]

guys just bc something works doesnt mean it's abuse (unless its pvp)

🤣

bc then everything will be labeled abuse rn

[devout geyser]

lets not use that word, we cant afford another hotfix

[sudden wedge]

we need to know the times

15 min runs

[limber palm]

Nope, heres the gear

[tidal arch]

True, revelation is goated 🙏

[loud locust]

can u edit this and put it in the original pinned msg

[tidal arch]

Gigachad

[limber palm]

ugh I can't add image, I'll post a whole new message

[undone lantern]

now show the Heinrich

before u start ur Vice

🙂

lets just be careful before spreading this info cause he has an insane Heinrich

which is the real carry

[arctic plover]

RIlmocha -- splash abuse
Xiada -- buffstackng and revelation abuse
Sania -- dot abuse
Rosa -- followup abuse
Diting -- aimbot abuse
Lily -- twintrick abuse
Tsukiyomi -- walmart lily abuse
Healing -- healthcare abuse

[fervent fox]

everything is abuse in this game it seems

[tidal arch]

Xiada beauty abuse

[sour lotus]

Which would be solved if resets are just permanently avaible or rerun biweekly or something...

People can't experiment when they have sunk cost in everyone they've already built

[tidal arch]

I sacrificed myself and gave dokidoki 8 skill ups, don't do it guys

[fervent fox]

nah i am against that. Then making right choices for the account would have less weight and ppl would just shift every unit with every change in pvp towards the meta

[arctic plover]

is this yoru clear? can you explain how it works

because it looks very alien, probably very nice techs inside

[limber palm]

Inferno stages of terrormaton and dokidoki, including Vice stats

[loud locust]

TY FUZZY

guys pls be on the lookout for niconana inferno clears not using ssania/lily

[limber palm]

Unfortunately can't see anymore since it falls off from recent clear

[loud locust]

just trying to find more ideas regardless but ive been passing all the feedback ont ot hte team

about shell bosses being difficult leading to aurora being difficult

dw ive talked about everyhting in detail and all the concerns

[warped kestrel]

I watched it since I have all those except Kloss, and the Kloss, Freya, Vale, Kaz, Ril one is extremely sketchy, they lucked out countless times, Vale death cheat had to proc at least once, and the Ril was unable to even come close to one-shotting anything, meaning that it has to be manualed unless you want to have a like 5% win rate

[limber palm]

Inferno niconanas

[loud locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384230665461170346/1384257995826925699/image.png?ex=6851c638&is=685074b8&hm=36683e381ede80c0bee70505009cb117fc83bc7f2eae585f6c12f5f4e0c67e50&

this team has also been working on doki

[tidal arch]

I miss Kloss old skill now and i thought it was a buff 😔

[carmine palm]

We don't have a lot of context on these pinned teams. Manual or auto? Is it something that managed to squeak by once after 50 resets for rng or is it consistent?

[loud locust]

that will be good to continue investigating

I hope we can get more insight of gearing/manual or auto

man this guy loves vice lol

didnt know the sauce...

[limber palm]

He made me wanting to build vice too

[devout geyser]

I'm reading his kit rn and he actually seems really good lmao

[limber palm]

otw otw

[loud locust]

might have started a new wave..

[tidal arch]

Vice skill 1 is crazy

[wary fractal]

nahi go brush teeth, come back to ppl building vice

[tidal arch]

Bro was so desperate he started reading R skills 😭 he is a Genius

[devout geyser]

Might have to go read the rest of these kits now 🤣

[arctic plover]

can you explain why? I am blind 😦

[tidal arch]

8% hp dmg twice in his basic attack

[tidal arch]

Sybil is goated with revelation

[carmine palm]

taunt is about the only cc most bosses aren't immune to

[errant mountain]

rosa is better with revelation

3 from ulti+3 from FuA

[devout geyser]

He has hp% dmg, great debuffs, great turn meter pushback, a taunt to protect your squishies, and self / some team healing, and very low cds (only 3 turns on S3 when maxed).

[errant mountain]

or 3 from basic+3 from FuA

[arctic plover]

sybil with revelation is worse than dinah, rc-77, yang and victor with revelation

[tidal arch]

Why

[arctic plover]

they all have 4+ hits on the main target, just like sybil, but do something else

[tidal arch]

Sybil have 1500 base attack

[arctic plover]

rc-77 has 3 hits in aoe and has one of the highest speeds
dinah does 4 hits in aoe and applies debuffs
yang does 6 hits on the main target
victor has his own damage on top of revelation

[tidal arch]

And her skill is 3 cd perfecto for revelation

[arctic plover]

hm, base attack will matter you are right

still that's a lot less damage than yang

[loud locust]

these are some good points followed up by making ember trek and ethernet the main PvE challenge for those endgame pve guys

sharing all feedback I can with the team

but again let's continue trying to strategize and see if there are other outs in the meantime

[arctic plover]

or victor

[restive quiver]

not enough resources to build all these units stamina capped

[arctic plover]

and both yang and victor have more base attack

[loud locust]

might take 2-3 days to really get any big influence on a decision here

but making sure theyre aware of it and monitor it with me

[nova island]

i dont like how all inferno clears have ssania, lily or both 😦

[loud locust]

agreed, everyone here on the same page

for shell bosses

the others are being figured out

but niconana we only have two other builds rn

[tidal arch]

Sybil is an R, easier to skill up and have dupes, yang seems goated tho

[limber palm]

Inferno terrormaton

[tidal arch]

The problem is his skill is 4 cd

[limber palm]

[tidal arch]

Not good for revelation

[arctic plover]

dupe damage% doesn't affect revelation

[nova island]

i think when i do see a rare clear that isnt shadow sania or lily it 5/5 units (whales)

[loud locust]

we've got this one logged

🔥

thank u fuzzy

[tidal arch]

Affect your stats which affect revelation

[arctic plover]

yeah, the first and 3rd dupe

not the final one

[tidal arch]

The crit one too

[arctic plover]

but victor is pretty much a strict massive upgrade over sybil

[loud locust]

guys keep an eye out on niconana teams without lily/ssania we only have two so far

[tidal arch]

You don't have to build that much crit and can invest in attack

[loud locust]

would love any help on finding more of those

[nova island]

i feel up to hell 4 if u build right u can clear all content, inferno requires certain SSR (most light/dark or 5/5) i wuld really like inferno to be doable with optimized teams of MANY different chars

[arctic plover]

diversity-wise dokidoki is in the best spot I think

many options in each slot, a lot of teams, each has their own gearing and tuning

[warped kestrel]

Can any be autoed?

[sour lotus]

Let them know we're ok with Ember Trek and Ethernet Rally, Inferno Shells/Modules are the main issue

[loud locust]

for sure

those things should be the endgame pve

[sour lotus]

because if the farms are fixed those will become much more enjoyable by proxy

[warped kestrel]

I think what they mean is that it'd be a trade-off. Something has to be the challenging part of the PvE, and it's a lot more reasonable for it to be the weekly-monthly instances than the place where we get our basics from.

[loud locust]

I dont think inferno farming should be easy and not require a ton of careful investment/strategizing, but it also shouldnt only be possible with a lily/ssania

[sour lotus]

agreed

[loud locust]

so in my eyes I think inferno should be something that takes a few days to get figured out for the average person, but we will know soon how much of a reality that may be

or if we're just fucked with ssania/lily being the only out permanently

[nova island]

rahu/xiada or massiah (lots of clears r 5/5 units) still not great diversity

[loud locust]

at least people are finding strats for the other threshold bosses

[arctic plover]

rosa and rilm too

[loud locust]

#1384230665461170346 message

#1384230665461170346 message

#1384230665461170346 message

these vice strats are interesting too

for nico

/terror

[nova island]

i thought grinding gear would be autoable so we could pvp, not what i expected 😦

[loud locust]

it's still too soon man

be patient

i get it's frustrating though not having those units im in the same boat with a lot of progression

[nova island]

just giving my input

[loud locust]

mhm

[loud locust]

dw all of this stuff is going to devs watchlist

[nova island]

i have all the l.d except for lily and ssania, feels bad

[loud locust]

LOL same

im still in hell difficulties though

:3

[nova island]

i am 53 and im not close to clearing any inferno content

[fallen rune]

i've gotten 4 dokis, 3 heinrichs, 2 lilys, 2 massiahs, 3 mios and ZERO ssania

liiiiike

[loud locust]

gacha game being gacha game

we signed up for this

😭

[nova island]

but not make the whales quit cause they cant clear any lvls

[loud locust]

dw we'll figure all this out

[nova island]

im glad your on it

[devout geyser]

I think if they want to keep the pve this difficult the resets should not be so limited. Even if you only get a certain amount per week or 2 weeks etc. Most average players won't invest as wisely as they need to and if they realize their accs are bricked with no way to get resources back that's going to be a big concern as well. Just a thought.

[loud locust]

on it both with all the criticisms and fears/frustrations, and also trying to figure out what solutions are for now or what solutions we dont know about that may be more accessible and autoable

anyways guys keep an eye out for more team ideas esp with niconana

maybe there's another easy autoing team or two out there

ssania still isnt auto anyways

[carmine palm]

It's not optimal but people are running ssania auto on some bosses, like Niconana at least

[distant wedge]

ssania is auto, not sure where you get the idea it isn't

[fallen rune]

1 red shell 💀

[wary fractal]

seing those drops, wtf

[devout geyser]

1 red shell on inferno is crazy work

[fervent fox]

ssania isnt auto on terror

[warped kestrel]

This is what my auto inferno runs should look like

[half epoch]

so the mythic drop rate does not get better 💀

rip me

[torpid willow]

I literally have friends doing it on auto and creating a massive gap between them and the rest of the guild

[dull heart]

See, I dont need to farm inferno, nightmare have the exact same drops😂

[nova island]

there is inferno specific drops, thats the issue

[warped kestrel]

Inferno has special sets that make you far stronger than anyone without them. If Inferno was just like Hell but with a slightly higher chance for mythics, this wouldn't be as big of a deal as it is.

[restive quiver]

but inferno drops 3/3/3 matrix tho

[torpid willow]

The issue isn’t just finding a team that can clear this manually with a bit of luck — the real problem is that this is farming content, so it needs to be doable on auto.

With how strong the bosses are right now, it's practically impossible for the majority of players.

If we already have red gear at +15, perfect pets — how exactly are we supposed to improve our accounts further to handle these bosses?

Is the only option to pull on the banner and hope to get Ssania?
Or grind endlessly for perfect substats just to squeeze out a tiny bit more power?

[dull heart]

I tried, I build obol and fangus but still can't beat it

No shadow Sania deserves to farm nightmare

[distant wedge]

inferno grim pursuit content drops higher tier mythic shells which is completely overpowered for those who are able to farm them. the equivalent would be like in threshold if inferno dropped mythic gear, but hell only dropped outstanding.
people who have ssania and lily to farm inferno grim pursuit have a massive advantage right now with higher stat shells

[gaunt socket]

https://tenor.com/view/pesado-dios-mio-stressed-problematic-oh-no-gif-12622815322168322147

[devout geyser]

I didnt even realize their base stats were higher

[hollow crane]

Equals more win in pvp - higher on the leader board, living the rest in the dust , and it just repeats bc they already have the advantage

[warped kestrel]

Neither did I...

It's infuriating to even look at that

[twilit vault]

and they have access to 12/8/6 as a result

[warped kestrel]

I thought it was just the sets, but they even have higher base stats

[torpid willow]

They’re literally ruining all current PvP content, because SR Ssania users are going to steamroll everyone with their pets, and you’re not going to want to play it for a good while

[hollow crane]

Yep my perspective on that is the same

[arctic plover]

as a minor solace those are flat stats, they don't get affected by your %bonuses.

for example 60 more attack will translate to around 2% more damage

[errant mountain]

That 5 speed tho

[arctic plover]

the biggest is 5 speed

yeah

[devout geyser]

This definitely makes me feel like the inferno shell farms should be the first focus of what to tune down. Those extra stats / enabling 12/8/6 could make the other inferno content a little more bearable

[arctic plover]

but what I am trying to say is that the set is actually the biggest advantage

the 6 set gives 15 speed and 25% attack

iirc

[torpid willow]

how do they expect us to keep playing PvP when with x2 drops in "Inferno", Ssania users are going to get millions of extra gear and pets over the rest of us?
What am I supposed to do with the game? Just farm EXP all day?

[distant wedge]

then get the mods attention @loud locust i dont mind threshhold inferno where all the module drops are same tier/quality, but just additional chance for extra interno only matrix. but in grim pursuit, which is even more gapped than threshold, there is a massive advantage for those who can farm it

[hollow crane]

Imagine speed tuning ur unit to get to the best speed you could possibly get just to be dog shet on by 5 speed from shell, I would be pissed

[arctic plover]

so it's bigger than the stat difference from the shell, being able to have 12 8 6 instead of 12 8 is very big

[loud locust]

have already said this idk what ur arguing with

[loud locust]

can u read the thread and look at pins before tagging me

😔

[hollow crane]

They should just redo the whole summoning Ui and function so others could obtain the unit , I don't wanna bring other game into this , but Afkj summoning- you can obtain all unit with enough summoning

[loud locust]

was told earlier it wasnt but seems just to be for terror not nico

[distant wedge]

i did read the pins, no where is it emphasized the massive difference in loot quality that grim pursuit inferno shells are compared to hell grim pursuit, thats what im trying to emphasize

[arctic plover]

not going to happen

[loud locust]

regardless we need more teams that can auto

so idk why he argued, when I was still making that point

[loud locust]

ive talked about it well here outside of pins yes

[sour lotus]

Reading through more stuff here, c, has the team heard the demand for auto ai customization yet? I know Volkin has been trying to push for his Tiamat to be able to skill 2 on auto

[torpid willow]

Simply lower the bosses’ power so the game isn’t so absurd that you can only do the content with one unit.

[hollow crane]

If they could add selector banner and rated banner, I think It possible

[loud locust]

yes yes

[sour lotus]

good stuff

[loud locust]

not sure if its being worked on or not yet

but ik it was being considered and prob is in process

[loud locust]

trembo lets stop arguing in circles again

we all on the same page

[sour lotus]

soon my lily will no longer buff helkid

[loud locust]

and everything has been forwarded to devs

[gaunt socket]

Working hard good

[loud locust]

so for now lets try and find other strategies than can auto if there are any

[nova island]

first thread ever where everyone is agreeing

[royal furnace]

Yeah the hell 3 to hell 4 was already decent jump but hell 4 to inferno is another beast

[undone vortex]

[sour lotus]

☮️

[loud locust]

as mentioned primary concern is grim pursuit bosses and finding a team that can auto them

[distant wedge]

ok thanks but i ddin't see it being talked about from search, you can see the screenshot that inferno only shells are literally a teir higher than hell ones with more base stats even though they are both mythic. this puts people who are able to farm it (ssania + lily) at a massive advantage. heres some more screenshots

[loud locust]

for sure

alr talked ab it and we all know

[nova island]

threshold inferno is overtuned also, not just shell bosses...

[loud locust]

initially it was all inferno needs adjustment now it’s just the grim pursuit bosses

people are finding new strats for trerror

[gaunt socket]

[loud locust]

it will continue to progress more

shells we havent seen much progression just two strats so far

[torpid willow]

My main issue is the x2 event and how the gap is going to increase even more. It simply bothers me that I won’t be able to play RTA in the coming months because players who can spend all their stamina efficiently will have a huge advantage. Sorry for being repetitive — it’s more frustration than anything else. Cheers.

[gaunt socket]

this team can auto infero terror

[nova island]

people with 5/5 khloros/holden can clear terror inferno barely... dont think thats ok

[distant wedge]

ok sounds good, thanks for being attentative, i dont personally mind threshold inferno difficulty
but grim pursuit is just extraordinarily more difficult to breach without dot team, and coupled with the fact that the loot quality is SIGNIFICANTLY higher, brings the most concern for me
thanks for your time

[loud locust]

thank you for understanding trembo it’s very repetitive and ive read that exact statement 700 times today

[distant wedge]

what r we crying about today

[royal furnace]

What time?

[loud locust]

already in pins

[gaunt socket]

@undone vortex start crying get out of bed

[loud locust]

need to find more tho

[gaunt socket]

545

[royal furnace]

Ugh

[hollow crane]

No Mia, welp

[gaunt socket]

[royal furnace]

Thats long

[hollow crane]

But it can auto

[loud locust]

auto and long > short and manual any day

esp during 2x

xd

[devout geyser]

ill kms before I manual battle all these energy capsules, so agreed. lmao

[hollow crane]

Lol true

[gaunt socket]

Lemme buy more stam

[royal furnace]

Yeah but doing that 5x its 25 min you arent burning your stamina in a day

[torpid willow]

How real are those teams that people are showing? Many use the Shellr that require Sania to access them, fully duped characters, and absurdly high power... Do those teams really serve as a useful example of anything? I think they confuse people and create false expectations.

[royal furnace]

You should invest you team on highest tier gear farming

[gaunt socket]

i blame @royal furnace :>

[warped kestrel]

I have all those except Khloros... now what?

[hollow crane]

So I wouldn't be able to properly use my 65 capsule saved even tho I have unlocked all inferno but can't clear

[royal furnace]

You shouldn't just walktrough it

[gaunt socket]

messiah gg

[royal furnace]

Blame my luck didnt get messiah my fav hero couldnt go grandy route

[warped kestrel]

People need to be able to do Inferno on auto with accessible units

[royal furnace]

Look my pfp

And no mess

[restive quiver]

need to farm gp outpost without x2 seems like a pain

[arctic plover]

I have 50 stabilisers. If I carry 1000 energy and refresh during the buff event I will have around a 8500 energy.

The clear takes 5 minutes 45 seconds. Even if it gets optimised to a 5 minute clear it will take 70 hours to clear it, and in reality more as there is a minor delay between repetitive clears.

70 hours to clear it while the buff event lasts 48 hours.

I am not sure what is the purpose of those clears beside a purely academic distraction.

[gaunt socket]

i have spent 4k and saw my first OBUL YESTERDAY

[undone vortex]

youre not my real dad and you never will be

[gaunt socket]

im not a man cant be a dad

[undone vortex]

u won't be a mom either cuz nobody marrying u

[royal furnace]

Oof

[gaunt socket]

True im ugly

[restive quiver]

im just waiting for casuals to reach inferno on x2 event

[arctic plover]

they will farm exp for pulls

[undone vortex]

oh I'm sure u ain't uwu

[quasi laurel]

if we get skill priority on auto it becomes a total different game

[carmine palm]

tbh casuals are going to be stuck on hell 3/4 for a while

[gaunt socket]

ok dad

[torpid willow]

It’s the only solution if you want to optimize resources: save bottles for the next x2 event and pray they release characters that enable Infernos or nerf the bosses.

Spending on Hell IV is inefficiency.

[royal furnace]

Its not

[hollow crane]

I might skip this 2x and wait for the next one if it a frequent event

[royal furnace]

Hell 4 is fine what you on

[arctic plover]

you will not have enough hours in a day to use the bottles in the next 2x.

better farm gp outpost at that point or smth

[gaunt socket]

@undone vortex found u

[restive quiver]

im contemplating to either farm gp outpost now so that i can farm modules x2 on inferno or farm gp outpost on x2

[undone vortex]

Wow I'm so cool

[arctic plover]

I am farming rengokutsu

[gaunt socket]

this one christian little meowoer

[arctic plover]

you need 2-3 maxed codexes

[sour lotus]

I'm farming XP for the Chance at double pulls

[restive quiver]

codex ftw

[arctic plover]

go farm rengo

[gaunt socket]

@royal furnace dis one u

[warped kestrel]

It's not a frequent event, there were no plans of a x2 this time, it only happened because of certain events.

[restive quiver]

i feel you

[hollow crane]

Well gp outpost it is 😗

[restive quiver]

gp outpost seems more worthwhile to farm on x2

[hollow crane]

Yea am trying to minmax some of my unit so might as well do that

[restive quiver]

the droprate without x2 is atrocious

[warped kestrel]

It's not if you are trying to establish yourself and your union at the top of the PvP leaderboards, if that's not something you're looking forward to, then all stability is worth about the same regardless of what you spend it on.

[torpid willow]

If you don’t have Sania SR, forget about PvP for quite some time.

One thing that could be done is removing the stamina penalty on death. If the bosses are really tough, let me try a thousand different team compositions and combinations.

[hollow crane]

That could work lol i have seen my self trying many comps if there is no penalty

[arctic plover]

you don't lose stamina on a restart, but you can't change gear

[hollow crane]

U sure ?

[arctic plover]

make sure to click restart before you die though

[hollow crane]

I tested that and I lost stamina

[arctic plover]

yes, I tried doing 10 restarts, then cleared and I didn't lose anything

if you do a lot of restarts then lose then you will lose a total of 1 stamina

[frozen stone]

Yes this is the first game I play that limit your play style to basically one

Either you have this ld unit or go f ur self

Diversity should be rewarded it’s a gacha game not everyone has the same acc

[hollow crane]

But i tryed doing some stuff at 10 stamina and when I restart for doing auto to try to do manual is say I don't have enough stamina

[torpid willow]

The problem is that this issue didn’t exist in the beta, right? So why not revert the bosses’ stats to their original values?

[warped kestrel]

If you have under 20 stamina it'll say that, because the restart is taking another 10 from your initial 10 before returning your initial 10, so, if on the second check it sees 9 stamina, it won't let you

[arctic plover]

it works only if you have 20 stamina or more yes

it's weird

[hollow crane]

Ah I see

[royal furnace]

Im sexy

[quasi laurel]

I think it tries to eat the next 10 stamina before refunding the current 10

[undone vortex]

if u restart with less than 10 stamina it'll tell u u have to refresh yea

but it doesn't actually subtract 1 stamina fsr

[loud locust]

one of the nico teams uses the gear, but i think they still beat it manually without ssania

[torpid willow]

If you have to farm 300 runs manually, you might die

[ancient aurora]

Boss damage increasing overtime is hard part, no way to stall which is f2p way to overcome harder challenge, just a lot slower tho.

Slower clear = slower progression

But still you can clear it

[tidal arch]

Yo this one My whole Xiada/doki strat 😔 i thought slower but safe, turns out its not working bc of that

[torpid willow]

That’s another thing — if at least we could do the runs in 7 or 8 minutes and gradually improve our shells/sets, we’d eventually improve the account. The problem I see is that honestly, I don’t know how we’re going to overcome the barrier of farming this content automatically.

The farming content is harder than an Abyss boss from E7 xd

[random narwhal]

Do you know if there’s a cap on stability? Like can you max refresh everyday without spending and save til event?

[warped kestrel]

10 refreshes per day, however, Mental Stabilizers have no cap as far as I know

Which is why we've all saved like 60 of them for this event

[ancient aurora]

Whales are still well fed because they want fast progression and getting ahead in rta, but let f2p clear end game stuffs even if its slow as f

[tidal arch]

Im fine with it being slow fr

[ancient aurora]

Same

[full delta]

@loud locust thanks for blessing my account

I just had to swipe a little more

[warped kestrel]

We've lost a gladiator. He'll now be joining the side of the gatekeepers.

[hollow crane]

If he does have a lily

I feel like you need lily for Ssania?

It not a feeling, it what I have been seeing so far

[warped kestrel]

Same, but I'm assuming he has one. I have a ssania and haven't bothered to build her because I don't feel like risking my resources on the off chance that I can make it work without Lily. May have to resort to that if this isn't solved by the x2 though

[hollow crane]

Lol i have ssania too but no lily so she's just a sitting duck

And with all this complaints it to risky to invest in her

Dev might decide to do something and that would be a waste of resources

[hollow crane]

I was also thinking of subbing tsukiyo mi for lily but still unsure

[sour lotus]

Devs want the progression to be slower would be my guess but we won't know until they start sharing their thoughts with us

[loud locust]

gg

[torpid willow]

The moment that DOT comp came into play, that whole approach was thrown out the window and there’s no going back. We’ll see what solution they come up with, because the more I think about it, the harder it seems.

Maybe they could have made Inferno content available starting at account level 70 or 80, so people would reach it under similar conditions. Maybe release a banner with a specific character for Nico Nana — I don’t know. But time is working against them.

[boreal sentinel]

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t understand the decision to make shell and gear dungeons this hard, you have content like ember trek and anisync for that. We will be farming these dungeons over and over again every day for the foreseeable future and 4-5 min runs will get old really quick.

No matter how I look at this it just can’t be healthy for the longevity of the game. Wasn’t nailing the difficulty the purpose of the 5 beta tests conducted before launch? Changing the difficulty of all pve dungeons this drastically between the last beta and launch without proper testing doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. I really want this game to thrive but the decisions by the devs, not only this one, are really puzzling to say the least

[torpid willow]

+1, and I think the approach of those in contact with the developers is flawed. This isn’t about finding overly complicated and inaccessible comps that most players can’t even build — this isn’t an Abyss floor you’re meant to clear manually. It’s content meant to be farmed automatically.

Trying to find “in-game solutions” is pointless when the problem clearly lies with the developers

[sour lotus]

The problem is DoT itself is cooked the way it exists currently

It can only be used on certain bosses and those bosses it eats for breakfast

But it can't function in any other content, yet alone PvP

[tidal arch]

This is fake 🥀

I just tried

[sour lotus]

as mentioned all this would flow better if the devs would just share their thought process on these things

[distant wedge]

since when dot was good in pvp in any gacha game

never

[sour lotus]

Everything so far has only been reactions towards things we didn't like but they never told us why they're doing certain things and what idea they had with it

[royal furnace]

I mean carrot had shortlived time

[lilac lotus]

see the other big issue is those that have beat Inferno using l/ds are also the same people who have no need to try other units, for all we know this will easily be doable using some maxed SR chars, but those at inferno dont need to try anything else

[sour lotus]

that's because DoT only exists in 2 states; OP and dogshit

You can't balance it in other ways because traditional dps will always win

[lilac lotus]

cause they are the spenders / those with l/ds

there are already quite a few nico nana teams running alternative dps that are not Dots, but they all use lily due to everyone re-rolling /spending for her

so once people who dont have lily get there im sure we will see teams with Tsuki mio or chiaki or other units

[boreal sentinel]

I could be wrong about this but I don’t necessarily think dot is the issue. The reason dot works so well is because its dmg is the same regardless of hp and def. The truth of the matter is just these bosses are way overtuned and have way too much dmg and bulkiness which makes ”normal” dps:es obsolete

[torpid willow]

Have you actually tried the stages to say that? Have you seen how ridiculously strong they are?
I don’t think there will be any comp that can farm those levels comfortably for a long time — meanwhile, the people using DOTs are clearing them in one minute. It’s absurd.

[distant wedge]

ye thats right

[lilac lotus]

yes i am at inferno, I can do Inferno Nico (tho in fairness i am a whale with every l/d with multiple dupes)

however I have no need to try SR units since i have every SSR

[boreal sentinel]

They are also 5 min + and I don’t think forcing people to spend hours to farm gear everyday will be good for the game in any way

[lilac lotus]

and the SRs i do use are mostly heal/shielding supports

[lilac lotus]

ok but we have only been farming gear in hell4 for less than 2 days, when gear becomes better and people arent still using yellow gear (my lily has 312 speed with 3 pieces being yellow)

that difficulty bridge will come down

I do still think a nerf is required, just not as drastic as people think

if they lowered hp by 10-15% and left everything else that same they would be good

The other alternative that I have been pushing is let us run 5 units in Inferno across all dungeons

[boreal sentinel]

Most of us have full mythic +15 pieces on our dps and while we could improve pets by getting an additional matrix, that’s locked behind the very dungeons we can’t farm. No amount of time farming will allow us to get fast clears without dot

[torpid willow]

I think you’re just not aware of how unbalanced the bosses are — there’s no one in the entire server who can do it smoothly without DOTs.

[torpid willow]

At this point, we’re not even talking about fast clears — we’re just talking about clearing without failing on auto.
There’s no way to do that across the entire server, and we already have everything at +15. There’s barely any room left to improve our stats.

[lilac lotus]

thats not true, both Madness and CLS (and the other asian guild) all have people currently running nicco nana on auto,

But i agree that there eneds to be a slight nerf/rebalance, just not back to Beta levels, that shit was so ass and easy you could beat it with 5 star SRs with little to no issue

[frozen stone]

Even with dots it’s still not 100% clearable

[lilac lotus]

a 10% hp nerf and a 5-10% def nerf would solve most issues

[frozen stone]

This game is interesting for sure

[torpid willow]

Are you seriously taking the biggest whales on the server as a reference? Is this a joke?

[inner hornet]

etheria restart
lily restart

[lilac lotus]

yes cause guess what we are having fun, you have no idea how long it has been since we can sink our teeth into a game that isnt completed in a day.

[boreal sentinel]

Agreed but my point is that even if we find these ”strats” that the cms are talking about, they will still be 4-5 min bcs there is no way to do it faster without dot.

The decision to ”wait until people find different strategies” won’t solve the problem, they should do something about this asap

[lilac lotus]

we are 1 week in, not a single other game didnt start with slow ass runs,

SW had you running 4 supports and a single dot unit just to kill gb10 when it first came out, average runs were 7-11 minuts long

then as they added heros we are now down to sub 18 second runs in gb12

[royal furnace]

I remember laika only clears to make it consistent xD

[torpid willow]

But if people are clearing the endgame content in one minute, what are you talking about?

[frozen stone]

Chat that’s why never take your opinion from whales

And devs too

[lilac lotus]

why because we are the ones litterally funding the game, spending more money combined then most people, and for once a game came out that isnt cattered directly to the f2p complainers? and you dont want anyone to listen to us?

[frozen stone]

“ I cleared it because I have this specific units, why shouldn’t you clear it”

Git good

Mind u 2 ld units

[boreal sentinel]

Gear dungeons are not supposed to be endgame content. You can clear gear dungeons within a week on e7, no it didn’t used to be that way but it was changed for reason. Etheria has the advantage of being able to learn from older game’s mistakes

[restive quiver]

this whales having fun with multiple dupes on units and better gears while casuals gonna take forever and ever to clear a pve dungeon

[sudden wedge]

hey it’s the guy who wanted pve to be buffed pre launch

[lilac lotus]

Not when it released you did not tho, the first gear dungeon in E7 wasnt completed at a sub 2 minute run for almost 1 entire month

[lilac lotus]

I know and they listend and we are having fun

[restive quiver]

brainded

[frozen stone]

You will be lucky if you clear it within 2 weeks while they will already have multiple sets

By that time

[restive quiver]

just swipe your money gais u can clear it too

[boreal sentinel]

That’s what I said, but why does etheria have to go through the same trial and error as a game that released 7 years ago

[lilac lotus]

and thats been the case in every game ever

[frozen stone]

Name one

Because I played e7

Since launch

[lilac lotus]

SW, E7, RAID, IDLE HEROS, Mcoc, Convilaria etc etc etc

[restive quiver]

no casuals is going to clear inferno without specific 2 ld

[lilac lotus]

cause guess what ive played all of those

[frozen stone]

Yeah e7 you could’ve cleared it

[warped kestrel]

Just out of curiosity, and not saying it should be that bad, but: what is so wrong about someone clearing inferno with 5 stars, considering that this is a pvp gacha and we are only doing PvE content as background auto, gearing up for the endless grind of improving our pvp gear?

[frozen stone]

Gears

Easily

[warped kestrel]

Why exactly does it need to be hard?

[frozen stone]

Idk what are you talking about

Gears shouldn’t be hard to farm in any game

Once you unlock it

[lilac lotus]

you dont need 2,

rosa clear was done yesterday

[torpid willow]

But what are we even talking about?
If they want the endgame content to come later, you can’t have a composition that farms this content in 1 minute and is absurdly broken for the rest of the players.
What’s the point of that?

[lilac lotus]

dots have always been a solution to PVE on easy mode

im sure you can clear with obal + fangus and no shadow sania, if your supports were stronger

Between this valairan and my Linglo, im close to being able to do it with just fangus + her + linglo + Viper

Im about 8-15% hp from completing

I need more speed on my fangus or a couple of skill ups into skill 3 on linglo to do it

[sacred mirage]

You can also get difficulty by not swiping the problems away with a credit card.

Its a bit double talk to want a challenge after swiping sway the other challenge when you can trim the fat and just do it on another account that way.

Bottom line is both wanting the challenge and being higher than others doing it

There isnt a reason to gatekeep inferno like this

[ashen blade]

The current difficulty would be fine if things that contribute to tactical play like CC and turn manipulation was actually effective. Right now it's just a huge stat check.

Beats the purpose of a strategy game

[warped kestrel]

I honestly think the people defending the inferno situation are gatekeepers that just want to exploit their advantage, I can't find any other explanation as to why they want this basic PvE content to be insanely difficult and outside the reach of like <1% of the playerbase

[frozen stone]

Yes it would be fine if you can clear it slower with few ssr and sr
But right now you need to have ld units and multiple ssr to clear a progression domain

That’s funny

[lilac lotus]

no i agree, what people dont understand is im not asking for it to not be changed, i just dont want beta levels of difficulty and nether do any of the players who are spenders, we are fine with sligh changes specifically with a couple of the bosses (Nico and sharon being the specific two)

Like an amazing change would be after 3 round Nico goes into shutdown and you get 10 actions before she wakes up, etc

We just do not want a remove 50% of hp from bosses nerf

[carmine palm]

I am a spender and I absolutely would not have spent a dime if this was the difficulty in beta. They bait and switched the entire game out from us, imo.

[sacred mirage]

5-10% defense drop fixes most of these issues ngl. I agree with you.

[sour lotus]

Stuff like this is what I want. I don't want rage modes I want actual mechanics that allow for the player to have dedicated dmg windows

Nothing fun about "Ehhh you took too long I have 1 Billion ATK now"

[lilac lotus]

Yea but the doom posts are going to make the devs go to drastic the other way hence im in here typing

[torpid willow]

You don’t want low difficulty, but you’re okay with clearing endgame content in 1 minute and without gear — you’re trolling.

[lilac lotus]

Im not using shadow sania my guy, im against it

im close to being able to make a f2p team work for inferno Nico

[sacred mirage]

No one would really be super mad if shadow sania wasnt cheesing advantage

[lilac lotus]

and im using veronica in Inferno Tera to do that,
and Revilation on my freya to do Inferno Dokki

[torpid willow]

You can’t be against it when people are already abusing it — the only option left is to balance things and nerf the bosses.

[lilac lotus]

No its not, i dont want to use shadow sania to show players like you its doable without her

not because i dont own her

Do i gimp my account sure

[frozen stone]

If you want challenging content, there’s Towers and the Spiral modes Gears and Shills should be farmed by regular players not just the top 1% of whales.

[sour lotus]

Ethernet Rally is plenty difficult and so is Ember Trek

[lilac lotus]

Dude you dont understand im not asking for no nerfs just not your "I want to do less than 1 minute runs today, bulshit"

is that not ok? or do you not understand my position?

[torpid willow]

But that’s already happening — so what do we do? Nerf Sanya? What are you trying to get at?

[warped kestrel]

Even if you manage to clear inferno with say, a team of 3 specific RGB SSRs, that's still a huge problem - most people won't just happen to have those specific 3 RGB characters by the time they're 50, or possibly even within months. Basic gearing PvE content should be doable by most teams of proper affinity as long as they're well-invested, otherwise this game will gatekeep casual players and die out, like many other games have.

[lilac lotus]

no he wants to do 1 minute runs without sania, and im saying its ok if there is a strong team aslong as there are alternatives

We are trying to build alternative teams, and yes for gods sake i want a nerf, just not to the point where i can throw 5 random unbuilt chars into it

[torpid willow]

But the moment there’s a team that can do it in one minute without gear, and the rest of the players don’t have access to it, the game becomes completely ridiculous.

[lilac lotus]

shadow sania works because her damage comes from sources that have no interaction with her stats

but this is the same in every game, dot teams always have a lower stat requirement

because its % true damage

this is the same with other units in other games, that can put a ton of dots out,

[frozen stone]

I’m not asking for one minute clears but dungeons should still be clearable at a slower pace for regular players those with BIS units can clear them faster and that’s fine the problem is right now if you don’t have those units you can’t get your gears at all

[torpid willow]

So all the endgame content depends on two hard-to-get units, and you think that’s fine? You want to kill the game in a month?

[lilac lotus]

agreed, your still missing the point of I think they need "A NERF" JUST PLEASE STOP ASKING FOR IT TO BE GUTTED

[warped kestrel]

There's nothing wrong with dot being good, what's wrong is that dot is good and IF you even find anything else that works, it's a hyperspecific team comp of still difficult, rng to obtain SSRs

[lilac lotus]

they should also rase the entry point for Inferno mode to 60 or 65 for all players

this would force us to actually skill up and build more than 5 units

[warped kestrel]

It's too late for that

[torpid willow]

People have already taken advantage of it, so it doesn’t make any sense.

[lilac lotus]

I meant in a perfect world, i know they cant do that now

So yes a slight def and hp nerf across the board, or a new "damage mechic for the player in each dungeon" should be added

but the Beta levels of diffculty are a joke, the infero SHOULD REQUIRE 6 STAR BUILT LEVEL 50 UNITS

[warped kestrel]

And after x2 event everyone who can do that content would have spent over 10,000 stability on it (50+ stabilizers on x2) - which is about 1000-2000 pieces of gear! That's basically enough to gear up for months to come

[lilac lotus]

and watch after this weekend quite a few teams that wont be dots will be able to clear if nothing else at least inferno Nico

[acoustic ivy]

i agree, im personally loving the challeng, i hope they dont nerf anything

[forest sundial]

Main problem is, game advertises as pvp endgame, pvp requires inferno set like swiftraid at the top, only 1 unit in the game can farm it -> ssania. Result is - if i wanna be good at pvp i go buy an account on epic npc with ssania or quit

[acoustic ivy]

honestly i would be a little upset if they did lower the diff, i would want to reset a few characters at that point

[torpid willow]

This is literally going to kill PvP next month. For now, I’m going to stop spending money because I won’t be able to compete anyway. It’s a shame.

[ancient aurora]

Giga whales gonna fight themselves

That's why I didn't touch rta yet

[forest sundial]

The 2x event will
Make gap bigger, ssania havers can farm double
Of the inferno sets and rest only pvp useless hell 4 sets

[lilac lotus]

wierd idea you were gonna compete any way? your probably easily 100+ speed slower then the top 100 players regardless of the end game sets, they had 320 speed before they even got there

[acoustic ivy]

you really should for the rewards, you fight bots at the start

all your doing is hurting yourself

[ancient aurora]

Am I cooked?

[torpid willow]

I’m ranked around 60/70 in RTA playing second turn — and literally, with the x2 event, they’re going to sweep me away.

[lilac lotus]

none of the whales are farming modules during the event, our goal is to 6 stars as many units as we can for Guild war, the going expectation is to have 15+ 6 stars by the end of the week

[forest sundial]

Top 50 here and I agree with him

[lilac lotus]

not so far behind

[ancient aurora]

I played etherena but not the summit one

[forest sundial]

But ye, main prob is imho that only ssania can do inferno

[torpid willow]

They think you can only win in RTA with tons of speed—just imagine the level of those players, hahaha.

[ancient aurora]

But it's not ssania fault its the overtuned boss battle

[lilac lotus]

currently speed is king, I play round two with a messiah Valarian combo, (my Messiah has 150% resistance while equipt with the Void shell, taking 50% less damage)

[ancient aurora]

that only ssania comp can clear 😦

[acoustic ivy]

honestly, you should farm threshold during the 2x event not modules, hot take i know but thats what the best use of the energy is

[forest sundial]

Aye, im not saying nerf ssania, cuz then swiftraid inferno havers are cemented to be the top

More teams need to be able to farm it

And fast

[lilac lotus]

xp is going to be the best option, for the summons and shadow print double drops

[forest sundial]

Otherwise rta is who has ssania and who has not

[acoustic ivy]

honestly i want an S.Sania nerf

[acoustic ivy]

yup i agree but people are so worried about modules when in reality they shouldnt be farming that during the 2x event

its the shadow sania thing all over again, everyone said one thing and they were wrong, look how strong she still is lmao

[ancient aurora]

and she only works PvE

[torpid willow]

We’re going to have to farm GP while everyone else spends stamina nonstop in Inferno — we won’t be able to touch RTA for 3 months lol.

[lilac lotus]

there are currently 9 teams which can do nico nana, most require either Khloras (exteremely well geared), Rosa on revilation, Shadow sania team, Veronika viper combo, etc

[forest sundial]

Yep

[lilac lotus]

the issue is why would we use those when we have SSania, so ofc all the fastest runs are players using the least restistance option

[acoustic ivy]

shhhhh dont tell them that

[lilac lotus]

it gobsmacks me when they see the fastest clears and think "OMG ONLY SHADOW SANIA oh no!!!"

[acoustic ivy]

dude i know i litteraly cant. whenever i open the maincord im shocked

[glacial magnet]

There are also more teams and strats in the pins, which is the entire point of this thread.

[lilac lotus]

haha this team is funny asf

[acoustic ivy]

yeah which is what the convo should be about

[lilac lotus]

so yea as long as you have 1 of the 6 L/Ds you can beat it

[acoustic ivy]

brainstorming and coming up with new ideas and trying shit out

[ancient aurora]

vice kit is really strong if it's what I think it is

[torpid willow]

Teams playing manually for 3 or 4 minutes, and with one of the biggest whales’ accounts on the server, you’re a troll

[lilac lotus]

even the shadow team is manual, outside of like 3 players

so please dont pull that shit

[warped kestrel]

And you think this is a good thing in a turn based gacha game that is obviously meant to be autoed?

[lilac lotus]

no but I WANT A NERF, just no so big

[warped kestrel]

Basic gearing PvE content should frankly be braindead, the difficulty in this game is to be at the top of the player vs player leaderboard, not to beat NPCs.

[torpid willow]

He’s just talking about the biggest whale accounts on the server, playing manually for more than 3-4 minutes and failing some stages due to RNG — he just wants to troll

[ancient aurora]

I just want them to nerf inferno boss that other strat can also work not the unit itself

And not another shadowbuff

[white scarab]

What they need to do is backtrack and just fkn nerf Lily.

[ancient aurora]

Nerfing another unit will make those who use that unit riot

[white scarab]

who cares, Lily needs a nerf shes the one enabling this. I like hard content but the game is way to easy with lily.

[graceful juniper]

You know what? You claiming that f2p is able to do inferno....than show us a video with account that you think is deserved to full clear auto inferno,because your reply rn is all talk no proof.

You can ask dev for the account with gear it has,just show us the video of auto clear with the "intended" requirement you think possible

[ancient aurora]

Game is too easy like inferno?

[white scarab]

the community backed Etheria into a corner over some stupid minor changes to units.
Now the dev's are scared to even touch a unit.
they need to grow some balls and nerf Lily so that end game can be end game and not simplified with one LD unit end of story.

[warped kestrel]

You are not wrong here about anything, except that it was not some stupid minor change - it was a lack of transparency, which is terrible

Sure, the change itself wasn't a big deal, the lack of transparency and disregard for people's resources 5 days into the launch was unacceptable

[white scarab]

i mean thats totally true, but letting the community back you into a corner will destroy the game way quicker than 50 idiots on reddit complaining about Ssania, meanwhile shes still top tier.

Really shows the bandwagon mentality gacha communities have. Grow some balls, nerf lily. and announce it prior. give resets i dont care.

[warped kestrel]

She only became top tier once we realized that inferno is ridiculously overtuned, before then she was very unnecessary compared to things like Diting

[ancient aurora]

Ssania niche is PvE if they gonna nerf her PvE use they should buff her PvP use as an LD unit

[white scarab]

OR Release a SR unit/RGB SSR that does something similar to lily

bbut thats not going to happen in time

[lilac lotus]

TSUKI MIO LITTERALLY DOES THIS

[warped kestrel]

If there's going to be a nerf to Lily, the soonest it'll be will be in 3 months - end of rta season. Right now best you can hope for is significant inferno difficulty changes

[white scarab]

Its in understatement how unbelievably true this post is.

WAY more people are going to be quitting over the few hundred rerollers who are probably low spenders who got lily, watching people clear inferno with two 5 star units.

RTA will be perma screwed, GvG will be only accepting apllications from Lily/Ssania owners, itll be a total mess.

[white scarab]

Please just show me a video of Tsuki MIO clearing inferno stages then.
Because as of now i havent seen one.

[lilac lotus]

I havent built her

i have lilly

[graceful juniper]

Tsuki mio doesnt let your marked unit to follow auto attack after your main unit auto,

You had no idea why even lily broken,we have multiple unit that give turn directly,but we only have lily which make a unit follow up auto attack after lily auto

[lilac lotus]

its the speed buf thats important in Nico not the followup

you need more turns

[sudden wedge]

guys if it’s nico, just run sr rin

[graceful juniper]

No its not.....every time your dps do follow up,then its 200-300% more dmg each time

And lily a fast unit so you can have lily do 2 turn+ follow up before your dps even have their turn again

[lilac lotus]

funny enough if you go faster to have more turns then you can mitigate that

[white scarab]

Dev's made a major mistake listening to 50 people on reddit cry, they can't be push overs. NERF LILY END OF STORY. Let everyone struggle, inferno should be hard.

[graceful juniper]

Then you have less dmg for sacrifing it for speed

[graceful juniper]

Dev dhould release proof first that inferno doable with right investment,because all i see is now they only talk no proof,the buff on PvE is not even calculated,they just up the number without thinking how to clear

[warped kestrel]

This is not a battle that you can win right now man, you have to stay focused on inferno difficulty changes. They won't nerf Lily anytime soon, and even if they do, people already abused inferno and are ahead of others

Lily nerf is a battle for another day, a far away day, unfortunately

[white scarab]

Not really trying to win a battle, just putting in my two cents incase someone reads this thread.. thats all.

Wanna see the game live.
Game will die soon if nothing is done, end of story.

[glacial magnet]

Check the pins

[white scarab]

Ive pulled 5 Lily, and out of spite im not going to build her.
Going to continue to clear content and push myself without her.

[ancient aurora]

revelation spam with shell reset could also work i think?

[warped kestrel]

I think everyone who's honest with themselves can see that Lily is an incredibly overpowered unit, but everyone rerolled for her, so she's not getting touched anytime soon, same reason Diting won't be touched either

[white scarab]

Until something is done about this plague of a unit.

[lilac lotus]

maybe go back to HSR :p

[white scarab]

Never played HSR tbh, im checking out rememento right now though. pretty fun.

[white scarab]

Just tell the community she was bugged xD

[white scarab]

Just tell the community she was bugged xD

replied to the wrong person, sorry.

[coarse granite]

Ima keep it real when I first said the post it’s not that the content is hard. It may be to hard. The issue is people can cheese it 2 units blow past everyone for weeks. While every else has to have the other 2 usable units max gear with perfect sub stats. And then only then can u MANUAL the bosses most the time.

[lilac lotus]

yea but this has been the case since the dawn of DoT teams

[coarse granite]

Doesn’t fucking matter

[lilac lotus]

its an unforunate by product of % TRUE DAMAGE

[coarse granite]

Doesn’t make it correct

[graceful juniper]

Okay with doki...but other inferno need like inferno shell to do clear from what i see, how tf to do that then

[white scarab]

Sinful Yaku, thats exactly how everyone is feeling right now.

Why should the community be punished so bad for not rerolling.

More people will quit the game because of this reason over a small Lily nerf.

[coarse granite]

Don’t be a sheep and be like oh well it’s like that no matter what

That how u never make progress in our shitty ass gacha games

Truly

[fading delta]

yo guys, is viper still good in aurora?

[coarse granite]

Yes

[warped kestrel]

Literally this. Exactly because PvE content in games can always be cheesed, there's no point in making obscenely difficult PvE content in a PvP game, just let everyone have a shot at gearing up for the real content.

[lilac lotus]

yea she is also super good in nico nana inferno

[white scarab]

Nope you are 1000% right Yaku, you really think people are going to stick around watching people clear the entire game with one/two units.

While everyone else sits back and watches?
Hell no.

[lilac lotus]

maybe rather than b**ching go test other teams, once you have 6 stars

[coarse granite]

The issue is it’s a PvP game. Now everyone who isn’t shadow sania lily abusing is behind on gear by weeks and for the 2x now the competitive feeling is gone

[white scarab]

WE ALL SHOULD BE B**CHING

[lilac lotus]

those people are also 2-5k or more deep, expect them to be ahead of you

[coarse granite]

Who is gonna care that much anymore

[lilac lotus]

that spent a car to beat it faster than you

[coarse granite]

No.

[fading delta]

okay22, does anyone have inferno aurora cleared yet? I only see diting team on hell 4 and rosa team inferno

[coarse granite]

I’m a fkn whale and I’m fighting this point

[white scarab]

I've literally pulled 5 Lily, 3 Ssania and wont build her because of how stupid this is.

Ive spent the last 2 days testing inferno teams with nothing.

[pure junco]

I also don't think we're meant to clear inferno this early

[coarse granite]

If you don’t complain and pressure and just eat shit soup you get hoyoverse games

[white scarab]

SO NERF LILY THEN THATS ALL THEY HAVE TO DO

[lilac lotus]

how did you build so many 6 stars

as a spender your capped to 10 rn

[coarse granite]

Then people with 2 units shouldn’t be weeks ahead of everyone then if that’s the case but they can’t nerf them or the game will eos so they have to making it clear able realistically. Or else u lose the average comp player

[white scarab]

The thing is, to be quiet frank with you. NONE of the units will do what Lily/Ssania does you dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out

[warped kestrel]

Easy to tell others to spend weeks, if not months trying to find a strategy to do something you're already abusing at maximum efficiency. Your gatekeeping will not make the game you're invested in last longer.

[white scarab]

Theres a thing called reading the skills of the units.

[lilac lotus]

ITS LITTERALLY IN THE PIN

[coarse granite]

Thenya prob have shadow sania lily doesn’t care about the state of the game as long as he is ahead

[lilac lotus]

a team with neither

[coarse granite]

And just blames the player

ONE TEAM

that manuals it

With prob insaine gear

[warped kestrel]

Oh yeah, I'm sure everyone has a Mio and a Kloss to do that one comp with.

[coarse granite]

And only cleared one time

[lilac lotus]

two

[white scarab]

Thenya why are you even on this thread to be honest, go to etheria chat or something instead of debating something thats so clearly a problem.

[warped kestrel]

And that's assuming that's an auto comp btw, which I'm 90%> sure it's not

[white scarab]

Not sure what you are trying to defend here other than your Lily.

[lilac lotus]

none of them are auto

not one

[lilac lotus]

because when a dev reads this i want them to know people dont agree with your echo chamber of sooks

[warped kestrel]

Then none of them is even remotely good. This is an auto-based gacha game. PvE content needs to be nerfed to the ground until it can be autoed reasonably.

[fading delta]

yo guys, if I dont have diting and rosa. What team would you recommend me for aurora. Only have borgne. im on hell 4 for doki2 and terror. Only nightmare 3 on aurora kek

[white scarab]

You've given no solid points as to why Lily/Ssania shouldn't completely dominate end game Pve content in a Pvp game.

[acoustic ivy]

not all of us agree

we are allowed to voice that we dont want the modes nerfed, we enjoy the level of difficulty

[lilac lotus]

because they are L/D units you know the rarer better units, ofc they can clear faster than non l/ds

[pure junco]

I understand Sinful. That's why looking for alternatives is a priority 😆

[white scarab]

Im not even saying nerf the bosses, i think LILY needs the nerf, and the devs are stupid for letting the community back them into a corner over small adjustments that didnt effect them.

[torpid willow]

But what difficulty? There are people who can clear it in 1 minute without gear hahaha — it’s simply unbalanced in favor of a few.

[white scarab]

LILY is the one enabling this WHOLE PROBLEM

[acoustic ivy]

then nerf shadow sania lmao

not the whole game mode

[small knot]

Nerfing SSania doesnt make the game better or more enjoyable for anyone

[lilac lotus]

its not without gear, this is a 5/5/1 shadow sania with 5 dupes and 17k hp 171% accuracy

the fastest clear? what do you mean no gear?

[white scarab]

Ssania didnt get a nerf, they fixed a bug that should of been fixed in beta.

[acoustic ivy]

nerfing the game mode doesnt make the game enjoyable for some of us

[warped kestrel]

They won't nerf Lily, and the problem was already enabled and taken advantage of. Lily nerf is a fruitless battle right now, if anything it'll just derail the focus from the thing that's realistic right now - lowering inferno difficulty

[white scarab]

just because you guys have Lily/Ssania, is the only reason you guys are taking this stance, if you didn't you would understand the problem.

But you do, and you are the problem now.

[acoustic ivy]

sigh, inferno is fine

[junior steeple]

The problem is the ridiculous level of tuning that requires obscenely different levels of investment depending on how lucky you are

[small knot]

Well it certainly makes it more enjoyable for the casual playerbase

[acoustic ivy]

you right i do have them both

[white scarab]

Exactly.

[acoustic ivy]

there she is

my shadow sania

[lilac lotus]

i dont use either in my inferno teams

[acoustic ivy]

in all its glory

[white scarab]

Show your inferno team CLS because i dont believe you.

[ancient aurora]

How many dupes nico?

[acoustic ivy]

my 5* lily with no upgraded skills, so scary

yet im taking this stance

[lilac lotus]

dont rlly give a shit if you do

[junior steeple]

Then show it

[white scarab]

Exactly ur so full of sht CLS

[junior steeple]

[torpid willow]

Xddd stop trolling bro

[warped kestrel]

... This is without gear, you even have trash gold pieces in there, Jesus Christ, how can you say that's not without gear?

[versed lion]

I don’t have lily what should be my inferno team?

[white scarab]

Vitao, i got bad news for you.

[lilac lotus]

its 6 star maxed 5/5/1, with insane stats, like wtf do you mean?

[acoustic ivy]

for which character

[versed lion]

Yeah I know

[white scarab]

The fact people are clearing inferno with a 5 star Ssania is even more disgusting.

[warped kestrel]

We are trying inferno with +15 mythics in all slots and not even coming close to it. WTF do YOU mean?

[acoustic ivy]

i cleared inferno with this

[torpid willow]

"insane stats" 😂

[white scarab]

Thats Inferno sharon nico.

[versed lion]

Nice

[white scarab]

completely different.

[torpid willow]

5.24 minuts in manual, holy

[acoustic ivy]

it was auto

i dont manual

i dont ever manual in these games

[versed lion]

Artisan shell right??

[acoustic ivy]

yup

3 of them

[white scarab]

Wow, one inferno stage, inferno Shanon can be completed

[acoustic ivy]

halloween hellkid

[white scarab]

Lets see your Terra inferno team now

[ancient aurora]

Artisan spam comp

[acoustic ivy]

it was inferno terror

[torpid willow]

What win rate do you have doing it?

[ancient aurora]

Is there any red unit that can do multi hits? For some revelation strats?

[versed lion]

I saw this strat in video, where did u find @acoustic ivy

[glacial magnet]

It's called "The Great Wall" strat, you can find in YT

[acoustic ivy]

its a variation off of one of the asian strats

i took the core of cachi, kazuyo and mia and replaced messiah and rahu with hellkid and holden

[junior steeple]

Don't have Mia either

💀

[torpid willow]

Do you get 100% wins, or do you rely a lot on RNG?

[versed lion]

I will try this but I need to farm

[ancient aurora]

Yeah cachi guard also core of sharon strat to negate the debuff and boost def for artisan shell

[acoustic ivy]

not yet i just built it today, i need to work on the gear and level them all to 50 which im doing on saturday during the event

[versed lion]

Not having lily sucks

[acoustic ivy]

currently im saving stam

im not gonna waste my stam to prove a point

[acoustic ivy]

i dont use my lily

and im doing fine

[torpid willow]

Well, with runs that long and without a high win rate, you won’t be able to farm much during the event either

[acoustic ivy]

if your farming modules during the event your trolling

hard trolling your account

[stable dagger]

this team can sustain Inferno i just need more speed and i can clear it Holden + Artistran is doing god work

[torpid willow]

Why?

[lilac lotus]

we all have to focus on guild war, and we need so many 6 star units

[acoustic ivy]

why would you want to farm modules during a 2x event

its so troll

you can get so much shit from the xp stage

[torpid willow]

If you can farm gear in Inferno, why not? You’re going to gain a huge advantage over the entire server

[acoustic ivy]

money, xp books, summons and most of all shadow prince

so you can come out with like 10+ 6*

[acoustic ivy]

your not gonna gain an advantage farming modules, your gonna fall behind if you do that

whoever is telling you to farm gear is trolling you hard

[versed lion]

I will farm 15 refil stam on XP stage

[torpid willow]

And GP?

[acoustic ivy]

no just xp stage only

all my stam is going to that

[fading delta]

yeah, you';ll get so many shadow print

[ancient aurora]

Gp just enough to build units that you have lattice ready

[stable dagger]

investigation and gp gives low drops so farming them would be worth it then once you maxed all the character you will need farm gears

[fading delta]

farming modules just to gamble and waste your coins upgrading to find perfect stat is not worth it

[uneven zenith]

if you cant clear inferno thats a skill issue

[hollow crane]

Currently with 46star and 17 5star, would i be able to help my guild in gvg?

[ancient aurora]

Imagine farming gp outpost and you have plenty of gp outpost mats but no lattice

[stable dagger]

you just need 3 characters

15 is the limit on how many members can participate

[hollow crane]

Also minmaxing to test out comps

[stable dagger]

I'm seeing a lot of people spreading that you need 15 characters for GvG

[fading delta]

you only need 3?

[stable dagger]

Hoyan is a guaranteed best in GvG XD

[stable dagger]

you get one outpost and you can use 3 characters to defend it

[fading delta]

ohh okay2 isee

[hollow crane]

Got both new unit just don't know how to build them , and i have 9 gold lac not used

[stable dagger]

so far I'm seeing more better results on Unbreakable + Speed on Holden

[sudden wedge]

you get 5 attacks

[hollow crane]

Shell?

[stable dagger]

if you build him slow you're wasting his 2 other skills

[stable dagger]

I'm using Artistran for now but imma replace it

[sudden wedge]

and you can only use the same units once

unless the description is another mistranslation

[glacial magnet]

So really need 15 then

[stable dagger]

with this

[floral shuttle]

Im using unbreakable bramble set, but planning to move to speed unbreakable and I think thats the go too based on my observations even in pvp

[warped kestrel]

From what I heard you can repeat use your characters as long as they don't die, but these are just rumors

[stable dagger]

if they die you will need to replace that dead character

when attacking

[sudden wedge]

that’s what I initially thought as well, it’s either your defeated units that can’t be used or units that defeated the opposing team that can’t be reused

but clarity doesn’t exist in this game

[foggy echo]

Managed to do doki inferno with this but has to be manual coz tiamat AI still stupid. I have xiada but no valerian and without valerian that comp just gets tapped so my only shielding option was tiamat + artisans

[stable dagger]

they need to rework on Tiamat and Shadow Sania AI

[loud locust]

would be so easy too

[foggy echo]

That's the builds. I don't think this can be a go to build coz the max HP destroy nukes tiamat dmg

[loud locust]

still a lot of room for improvement in ur gearing it looks like too

shell rng pain

[warped kestrel]

8 minutes of manual torture

[loud locust]

LOL

[acoustic ivy]

nice comp dude

[foggy echo]

Screw shells. The RNG on my account for those things has been a bigger nerf than poisons blocked on aurora

[foggy echo]

Lol yup

[loud locust]

I never claimed f2ps were going to be able to defeat any inferno stages on day 1/2 of it being available man :p It's hard content! I figure within a week we'll start to see more comps, but I'll be monitoring it closely over the next few days.

if people still cant break anywhere near shadow sania lily combo im gonna push it forward