inferno difficulty megathread, happy 100k

[sacred mirage]

I am 4/5/5 massi and 5/4/5 lily. Why am I struggling compared to ssania?

Unreal tbh

[foggy crane]

Is it really even s. sania or is it more fangus lol

[wary fractal]

nah if they touch sania again theres gonna be riots like hell

[warped kestrel]

Agreed, losing the time that it takes to fail a stage is punishing enough, there's no need for there to be a stability loss on top of it, in my opinion.

[twilit vault]

yeah true damage is so far ahead of other comps that whales who spent thousands but dont have it are going to feel cheated out of content especially when the 2x event drops

[tacit spoke]

compared to half naked ssania*

[sacred mirage]

Literally how I feel right now

[wary fractal]

there will simply be a great divide come this x2 event and its boomer housing prices vs zoomer housing prices gg

[worn wigeon]

Yeh it should either be hard for everyone or accessible for everyone. This current system rewards you if you were lucky enough to pull 2 specific ld units and means they get massive head start/advantage

[surreal bobcat]

for doki inferno specifically, are certain element units targeted over others? was on auto with my xiada team and noticed for 5 attempts in a row she was solely targeted....

If this is a real thing, it needs to be adjusted...

[ruby canyon]

dot nerf isn't needed because asshu/fangus can't put anywhere near the amount of dots as ssania. and currently unless they make every boss dot immune in the future she will just be able to brainlessly clear it in 30 sec too, so future design space is super liimted with her current kit

[carmine palm]

Problem is statistically most of those whales probably got SSania, and in a competitive game people want to gatekeep anything that gives them an advantage

[sacred mirage]

I did the "right" things and got punished cuz I didnt get shadow sania? They can screw off with that ngl

[warped kestrel]

Lack of Lily is an even bigger issue than lack of ssania

[foggy crane]

IDK like is fangus w/o s. sania a better strat than anything else in niconana?

[sacred mirage]

Im a top 30 arena and top 50-100 rta player. I shouldn't be struggling with inferno cuz i don't have DoT

[cursive flicker]

this💯

[warped kestrel]

A ssania-less Lily comp is conceivable... a Lily-less comp is hard to imagine

[surreal bobcat]

ive seen an auto clear with just fangus

[ionic wind]

teams that work without ssania/lily requiring unusual shells, unusual gears/strats, MORE lattices VS bringing ssania/lily with units that you've already built pre-lv50 and half-assed gears

and non-ssania lily teams still clearing slower on average................ there's just no way people don't see this as a problem, either they lucked out or paid too much money just to get those units and only come here to try being the moral police lmao

[foggy crane]

I mean dude does 5% of bosses HP 50% of the time your units perform an attack

[wary fractal]

i have lily and no sania, care to save my soul?

[worn wigeon]

At least will lily and a lot of investment inferno looks possible, without her it's going to be next to impossible to do

[foggy crane]

Not many dps can rival that

[arctic plover]

thing is, while people see it as a problem there seems to be no solution

I guess nerfing stages is one of them, but soem people enjoy tough pve content, so even that one is questionable

[sour lotus]

so would a solution be to just increase lattice income so more teamcomps can be tried?

[foggy crane]

I think the lattice income is already crazy for SR we're getting like idk like more than 12 a week

[uncut cliff]

most of the stuff being cleared by sania can probably done with just fangus and better gear too

[left snow]

thing is, drop rates of inferno stages are abysmal as well

even if you make a team that can clear inferno

[sour lotus]

Talking about Perfect Lattice

[left snow]

lets say the 5+ minute niconana team

it might take you several days before getting what you want

[ruby canyon]

Rengo is not designed to be clearable, maybe they cleared it inhouse with 360 spd perfect substats max lattice characters but more likely they just tripled his beta hp and called it a day

[left snow]

whats his mechanics in inferno ?

[twilit vault]

"we fixed Codex of Magic spam with this one simple trick"

[foggy crane]

idk what the gimmick is for Rengo like IK his mechanics but whats the trick to clear him turn order boosting?

[ruby canyon]

you can't use more than 1 of each affinity and every 4 turns he does 30k dmg and 40% dmg vuln permanently

[foggy crane]

Or mass damage reduction + shields idk

[warped kestrel]

Hard PvE content could be limited to things that don't harshly stunt progression, like Ember Trek and EtherNet Rally, which is what most of these games do. Turning the regular progression PvE content into hard PvE content in a PvP game is a recipe for disaster.

[ruby canyon]

every 4 of your turns I mean so it happens constantly

[arctic plover]

in reality the main problem is the developers didn't treat beta as beta.

The entire point of open betas seems to be to have high amount of players test out various things.

I understand that they didn't like the pace the playerbase had, but it ended up in making changes that seems to be untested to the point that it creates a frustrating experience.

While it's possible they had some inhouse testing with 300IQ comps that were sensible and performing on par with dot, but if I am being honest it looks like it was -- no offense -- half-assed.

[left snow]

bruh

i guess the only way to do it would be with DoT that doenst use lily somehow ?

[ruby canyon]

he's immune to everything

[left snow]

oh

nvm then

[ruby canyon]

like sharon

but he has 4x sharons hp

[uncut cliff]

the description only says inmune to turn meter is that incorrect?

[ruby canyon]

if you go in battle you can see he's immune to debuffs and dots

[turbid ridge]

bc we rush it? Normally you dont max refresh in such games and ssprint it down. its 12 days and ppl complain about it beeing to hard when the devs most likelly want it to be like this. Now what i agree on is that it sucks that 2 premium units can cheese you to early succes.

[ruby canyon]

it has a little tooltip

[worn wigeon]

I don't believe they tested the inferno bosses before release. They must have just cranked up everything and thought this will keep them busy

[uncut cliff]

👍

[sour lotus]

The difficulty of all PvE combined also seems to just create a loop of no progression. Can't do Ethernet Rally because Kururu is too OP > Can't do Ember Trek because XYZ is too OP > Can't grind Shells because XYZ is too OP > Can't grind Modules because XYZ is too OP

[arctic plover]

Inferno Rengokutsu mechanic:

Immune to damage.

[tardy ridge]

you know passively regening and spending your stamina vs refreshing is the same thing right 😭

[uncut cliff]

but you can grind shells and modules from hell4 just fine

[left snow]

im hoping they nerf inferno shell stages

[sour lotus]

Hell 4 is also too OP for some people

[left snow]

like module inferno seems to be getting more and more team comps available every day

[arctic plover]

I thought max refreshing was intended? Didn't they say it was incentivised?

And the survey had questions about spending money for refreshes.

[left snow]

but shell is just

💀

[torpid willow]

Inferno is so op, neef a nerf

[ruby canyon]

proof they didn't test this, he's immuney not immune

[sour lotus]

The jump from 2-4 is insane

[uncut cliff]

that sounds like skill issue there is plenty of different hell 4 teams

[arctic plover]

</> 3

[worn wigeon]

Hell 4s are 100x harder without lily. Doki is probably the only exception

[uncut cliff]

they probably dont got enought upgrades and gear or using a bad team

[turbid ridge]

i mean every CC tells you to do it so most do it what i mean is in gacha games for f2p at least you rather save up for pulls. Now in this case they gave us so many pulls that even f2p can max refresh 1-2 weeks

[crude sparrow]

how can devs fk up like this

[left snow]

they at least seem to be responsive to criticism

[worn wigeon]

The only good thing is the best single target damage dealer is an SR.

[left snow]

maybe they nerf inferno

like they should

at least shell stages should be nerfed

[sour lotus]

There's a few solutions they could do tbh

like maybe just increase Hell Drops so people can gear more for Inferno

[ionic wind]

not just lattice, since you also need GP hence more stamina to run GPs/levels and what not. i'd just say just nerf the inferno stages AT LEAST for shells because by design the shells SHOULD be easier than thresholds since u can only bring 4 units too

[sour lotus]

Increase Perfect Lattice

[worn wigeon]

And they will get backlash no matter what they do. They do need to come up with something tho

[wary fractal]

if u think ur clearing inferno with full 3 matrix sets u will be severely dissapointed

[sour lotus]

Also I kinda agree that shells should probably be easier since Modules are the true Infinite loop

[left snow]

im guessing they will wait a few more days and then nerf inferno stages

[uncut cliff]

he is definetly not inmune

[ionic wind]

better drop rates for hell iv seem like reasonable since even in the "possible drops" they only list down the triple matrix, when technically, hell III and hell iv could drop the same type of loot lol. kinda scammy imo

[sour lotus]

well yea he's immuney

[ruby canyon]

it says control effects and dots no?

[ionic wind]

it's so weird as well in the hyperlink quests, the prev main quest for this line was clearing niconana hell. but next one after u reach 50, u need to clear inferno sharon FIRST to proceed

[left snow]

i mean if he isnt actually immune do dots, why are there no clears yet

there would be by now

imo

[ruby canyon]

yeah for sure

I tried asshu

[left snow]

can you test fangus and see if he is actually immune ?

im not level 55

[uncut cliff]

if i had to guess id go for a artisan stack with valerian and lingluo for rengokutsu

[turbid ridge]

actually good change that auro is immune to dots now in hinsight XD

[arctic plover]

kind of, yeah

[sour lotus]

Dot is in such a weird state

[torpid willow]

The problem is the x2 event — while some players are going to gain a huge advantage by abusing Sanya, the rest of us are going to fall behind because the bosses are ridiculously overpowered. You need to do something about it now.

[sour lotus]

bosses is really the only thing they're even useful for

[arctic plover]

hear me out, what if a next banner is an rgb dot unit. Thoughts?

[left snow]

lets make every boss dot immune so nobody can farm inferno

[loud locust]

monitoring it for this reason

[left snow]

even the playing field

[loud locust]

but seems like there will be some decent solutions by then

[ruby canyon]

I don't think the issue is dots it's the fact that the health bars are too inflated, it should be (more) doable with 12/12 set proper comps

[arctic plover]

we will have to farm doki. Doki is not a waste

[twilit vault]

then the players who start after that banner is over will complain

[turbid ridge]

if you dont farm only exp and gp you waste this first 2X tbh

[twilit vault]

though i guess you could targeted summon

[arctic plover]

make it permanent like freya

[ruby canyon]

and most of the issue is the soft enrages, they happen too frequently leading to every fight being a dps race

[arctic plover]

every new player gets freya banner

[left snow]

maybe they are meant to work after you farm 6/6 sets from terror, aurora and doki ?

[sour lotus]

I still believe no nerfs are needed so long as we remove rage modes from the bosses

[loud locust]

wait ... hmmm

didnt think ab that

[sour lotus]

or make them able to dispel somehow

[ruby canyon]

you can't have 6 sets without shells, you can only equip 1 special module per character

so you need the shell for 3+3

[left snow]

oh i see

[uncut cliff]

he is inmune to dots, turn bar and hard cc but not anything else

[loud locust]

i loled

[sour lotus]

rage modes scale too absurd and prevent turtle comps

[uncut cliff]

time to stack taunt

[turbid ridge]

looking at you tiamat comps

[torpid willow]

I’m someone who has spent over €500 — if I fall behind unfairly because of this event while I’m competing for the top of the server, I’m going to seriously reconsider a lot of things.

It’s simply unfair, and I find it impossible to clear the Hell bosses — my entire team is fully equipped with red +15 gear, and I still can’t even get them down to half health.

[sour lotus]

Has anybody tried Rin with ACC yet?

[ruby canyon]

that aurora comp only worked because defense can't be lowered below 0

[wary fractal]

^definitely holding on to hope before x2 event comes that smthn happens, otherwise we are left in the dust by sania/lily guys

[loud locust]

it derails so fast though

😭

[arctic plover]

I think turtle comps are inherently bad in this games because we have to spend 1200 stamina each day and it will take an entire day to do so.

There is no need to further make them even worse with excessive rage mechanics.

[left snow]

yeah for sure

[wary fractal]

turtle comps dont work cuz bosses have infinite scaling no?

[left snow]

i mean think about a guy who can farm inferno terror with turtle comp

but 5-6 minutes clear

he might be farming 10 hours a day

[uncut mica]

Inferno Sharon is the one with the lowest HP jump from Hell due to her fight mechanics so it makes sense.

[clever tapir]

? how r u having trouble with hell bosses

[left snow]

whereas ssania farms like 30 minutes

[sour lotus]

Sure but the point of turtle comps is to slowly accumilate the best gear via that method to eventually transition into a faster clear team with the gear the turtle farmed

[warped kestrel]

EXP and GP are important, but being able to farm 6/6 sets is what will most evidently set people apart.

[arctic plover]

In the long run you will have to farm terrormaton, doki and aurora.

It will not matter in what order you do things as long as the ratio is kept properly.

So prefarming dokidoki does not hurt you in the long run even if you don't need that much speed gear right now.

What will happen is most people will spend the 2x event on doki and then with the obtained modules do other stages after the event.

[torpid willow]

I’m referring to the last boss — the names are a bit confusing in my language. Haha

[crude sparrow]

yeah

makes no sense

[clever tapir]

ah i see

[sour lotus]

because of rage modes yes

[crude sparrow]

Imma have to make a bot that auto farms at night lol

[sour lotus]

Rin meta

[crude sparrow]

5min runs for the win lol

[arctic plover]

probably a ToS moment

[loud locust]

just remember guys to keep looking out for new comps and ideas so I can pin them and keep building the discussion

wouuld rather us not derail into degeneracy too much if possible

[sacred mirage]

I dont want to add any flame here but I am a top 30 arena player and top 50-100 rta.

I cannot clear inferno and will suffer rank loss purely because I dont have ssania.

I may be unable to properly use the upcoming 2x.

This is not okay. I am definitively not a bad player based on my rankings

[uncut cliff]

artisan stacking with taunt to reduce how much boss can use its skills

[loud locust]

refer to pins man there's gonna be ways

we gotta work together

[clever tapir]

most people using it on the xp and gp no?

[loud locust]

flame is valid but also working together most important rn

[clever tapir]

modules is too rng

for double drops

[sacred mirage]

Why am I needing to waste lattices on otherwise trash units just because inferno was buffed tho?

[uncut mica]

Inferno Sharon.
The adds can still be debuffed and CCed so working on a comp utlising Kazuyo the Reverie to prevent them from taking turns whilst using single target DPS and a healer to slowly work her down

[arctic plover]

I think that's grief

[sour lotus]

increase the base drops of modules

[turbid ridge]

moduls is often times waste of stamina. Shel-GP-Exp is save power up

[arctic plover]

exp on units that you use in farming teams is worthless

[surreal bobcat]

but unfortunately she is also immune to all debuffs

[wary fractal]

mabye inferno shouldnt have been released with the game, and like added on, like live service update, as we go wit hthe seasons, harder levels of farm appear

[turbid ridge]

i didnt do modul for 1 week now aprt from missions i need to do

[arctic plover]

since they will naturally level on their own

[clever tapir]

so u just dont want to use the solutions avaliable and use 1 team be all end all. I see

[uncut mica]

Her adds are not though so you can just keep them slept with Kazuyo

[sour lotus]

This is another issue of the endgame content, bosses are immune to too many things constantly

[crude sparrow]

try maybe the cachi team

[turbid ridge]

throw in 2 more perfect lattice each week maybe 1 in GvG union front

[crude sparrow]

Imma try it out next weekend

[sacred mirage]

Not at all. I see plenty of comps being shadow nerfed weekly like xiada because they only want specific things to work.

[ruby canyon]

tbh for inferno sharon you can just equip a bit of eff res and it's doable on auto

[crude sparrow]

then I make bot to farm at night

[sour lotus]

Is there any good reason why the bosses need to be CC immune with the current stats they have?

[turbid ridge]

and one should be weekly quest

[sacred mirage]

I just want consistency

[torpid willow]

How many people can actually clear Doki Doki on the highest difficulty consistently?
It’s still absurdly difficult.

[clever tapir]

#announcement they wont anymore. only between rta seasons

[warped kestrel]

Most of us have over 10,000 worth of stability saved up counting the x2 - that's far more stability than we need to max out our characters' skills(GP) - and EXP is very accessible in many ways besides investigation. Competitive players will absolutely choose to farm modules over EXP/GP in x2, as that's what will push them the furthest ahead in PvP.

[arctic plover]

in 5 days I think a lot of them

[sacred mirage]

They already did. That's the issue

[arctic plover]

we will have maxed codexes, it will substantially simplify the comps

[crude sparrow]

I mean, I agree SSania and lily are op, and should not be the only units to clear easy, but for now the only solution is that team

[clever tapir]

yea and? they swore they wont now, so if they still do then its ggz everyone leaves the game

[turbid ridge]

i rather stack all GP and EXP so i dont have to farm it outside of 2X and another thing is RTA season ends in 100 days you have plenty of time to gear up and make a push in 20-40-60 days

[crude sparrow]

sure do, next monday arena ranking will shake

[uncut cliff]

you can still farm ineferno doki or smth else

terror dont need sania either

[sacred mirage]

If you dont see the blatantly obvious issue with "I pull ssania and can cheese and save my lattices while others waste theirs" idk what to tell you

[clever tapir]

check the pins

[sacred mirage]

Im at work rn. Will when I get home

[torpid willow]

I’m in the same situation — I’m at the top in RTA, and this x2 event is going to ruin my account by making me fall behind just because I don’t have Sanya. It feels incredibly unfair.

[sour lotus]

honestly same I much rather farm the tedious XP and Prowess stages so I'm set for a while

[warped kestrel]

That's an absolutely valid approach to take, but it's not the most competitive approach to take - modules farming is.

[crude sparrow]

exactly

[clever tapir]

btw dot team needs alot of lattice

[uncut cliff]

xiada still works fine in doko inferno btw

[crude sparrow]

why would I need to triple the investment

[turbid ridge]

thats fair aswell

[uncut cliff]

now you just happen to need more than 0 stats to do dmg lol

[clever tapir]

ssania max s1, lily max s1, fungus max s1 and max s2, valerian max s3

[arctic plover]

xiada is good even postnerf

[crude sparrow]

when other people just slap purple gear to sania

[loud locust]

dot team still needs lattice and isn't used in pvp so by those means since you said you are pvp focused why would u wanna put lattices in those? @sacred mirage

check pins and let's consider other solutions

don't doompost yet until doing research and working together

[crude sparrow]

purple gear bro

[loud locust]

otherwise ur just wasting energy

and making urself upset too easily

[clever tapir]

u need red gear bro

[crude sparrow]

let me find you some runs

[surreal bobcat]

have you not found the doki mobs purely targeting xiada? Just did 5 runs auto and in all 5 runs they just only targeted her

[ruby canyon]

the arena season is 109 more days just focus on one inferno mode that you can auto during the 2x, the rest you can do later. I dropped from rank 4 rta too because I'm focused on pve, but it's fine because the season is so long

[loud locust]

thank u for being reasonable

[uncut cliff]

i dont use xiada for doki so idk but there is many inferno clears with her

[loud locust]

😭

[arctic plover]

if everyone is green they tend to target xiada, if you have lily it can be better. Valerian can help a lot with this.

[surreal bobcat]

im using her, thats why i am saying this

[twilit vault]

she is one of the better Revelation users

[uncut cliff]

i figured but cant help there i use rilmocha

[surreal bobcat]

my comp was: kaz, lilly, valerian, freya and xiada

[turbid ridge]

does xiada need lattice to work?

[clever tapir]

yes 8

[arctic plover]

whelp 😦

[surreal bobcat]

s3 max

[uncut cliff]

that seems like a pretty good doki comp

[turbid ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-wallet-i-am-broke-no-money-no-cash-gif-24120042

[uncut cliff]

maybe you missing stats if xiada is dying

[arctic plover]

xiada has too good build, try rolling more def% on your crit pieces true

stop having good gear it will help

[surreal bobcat]

thats not why im dying. Im dying because every mob auto targets xiada only outside of the aoe attacks

[turbid ridge]

1 Perfect lattice in weekly quest plz

[uncut cliff]

but that should not be a problem if you got enought survival stats

[surreal bobcat]

in the runs where they go after lilly i clear

[clever tapir]

that shouldnt be, they should be targeting your valerian too

[surreal bobcat]

or valerian

[arctic plover]

how do you wnat him to have survival stats on xiada

[uncut cliff]

you have freya wich lets xiada heal herself and valerian to help survival

[surreal bobcat]

i dunno, i had 5 runs in a row where she was the sole and only focus

[clever tapir]

artisan on valerian

[tight laurel]

Yea, them sitting back (again) waiting for this to spiral further out of control (..again) is crazy

How many times are they going to need to learn these lessons

[arctic plover]

effacc on freya can be an issue, true

[clever tapir]

thats weird

[surreal bobcat]

i run 2 artisans

[clever tapir]

i see

[sour lotus]

xiada needs revelation for doki

[uncut cliff]

🤷‍♀️

[loud locust]

there are many flaws in his stance man

stop dooming and work together here

[surreal bobcat]

again i would assume this is extreme bad rng but for this to happen 5 times in a row, there has to be some weird logic to it 🤷🏽‍♂️

[tight laurel]

I'm reading the pins. It is possible XD overtuning the late gme content with the release happened. Rn people with ssania are getting further and further ahead of everyone else. It's so out of balance 🤷‍♂️

[clever tapir]

maybe xiada hp total too low

[sacred mirage]

Apparently im wasting my breath per staff so I just dont bother.

Yall have a good one

[loud locust]

main thing is it's way too soon to say it's impossible to get around just because one strategy had an early advantage

[surreal bobcat]

i mean she has 20k....

[arctic plover]

I know you are very well-intentioned, but in general when people are angry at the game for something, telling them to "nah, your problems are not real, try thinking out of the box instead of dooming" is not going to make them any less angry.

Even if it's true (and we don't know if it is).

[foggy crane]

DoT = true damage = bypasses need for damage gear, amps, and even speed tuning to some degree

[loud locust]

all I said was there was a flaw in your stance when you said you didnt wanna invest in units since you were focused on pvp... but you would have had to invest in the dot teams to make them strong too.. just like investing in any of these other solutions

that doesnt mean you are wasting your breath

you just need to broaden your perspective a little more here

[sacred mirage]

I am focusing on pve. I gutted pvp for this

[loud locust]

and work together with everyone since it's hard rn

[sacred mirage]

There is an inherent issue with the way defense, health, and so on interact

[clever tapir]

should be enuf

[tight laurel]

this is a pvp game, grinding for gear should be something we do in the background while we do the pvp thing. I'm here looking for some sort of solution, but I'm still hard stuck on hell4 and nowhere near being able to do inferno 🤷‍♂️

I max refreshed every day, a lot of players are going to get here in a few days and you're going to see these same threads 10x as more players catch up to those of us who raced here

[loud locust]

pvp has time things will balance themselves out, and if it doesnt ill be here to help the team realize

[cursive flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIlLU3NAPQ4 he talks about same topic worth watching.

[surreal bobcat]

yeah just horrible rng then i guess

[arctic plover]

I think you are having atk% rightside. It's not too relevant to your issue, but you should gain a lot more damage if you switch it to critdamage.

[left snow]

it would be nice if somebody can come up with an alternative for mia

[wary fractal]

i have 50.000hp valerian and x2 6star dps with 12/12 sets, i cant smell infernos feet

[left snow]

for inferno terror

[wary fractal]

and lily

[left snow]

it would enable a lot of comps

[clever tapir]

hes using revelation

[tight laurel]

Everyone's talking about it. You either have ssania + lily or you're locked out of content, and you farm stuff you don't need while those with them pull further and further ahead

[clever tapir]

check the pins

[surreal bobcat]

i kinda need the atk% to help cap the dmg from revelation. Unless im mistaken there? and damage isnt really an issue, it usually takes me 2 s3's to kill if Kazuyo actually lands her sleeps

[loud locust]

it's a pvpve game still for the majority of players

[crude sparrow]

If I were the devs, I would make revelation cap a bit higher on bosses, that would open a lot of units

[loud locust]

less time spent complaining more time spent strategizing u would be able to beat hell 4 though fr

[crude sparrow]

I beat hell 4

[loud locust]

i was talking to him not u

[tight laurel]

I've bet hell 4, but just barely. Nowhere near inferno

[full delta]

To be fair - it’s only shadow Sania lattice which is 4 total.

Lily S1 is used in PvP
Fangus is used in PvP (as with the number 1 guy running him and borgne)
Valerian S3 is used for PvP

And SR lattices are in abundance

[ruby canyon]

tbh the worst part is after you clear inferno you just get yellow shells, I hoped the drop rate would be a little better

[uncut cliff]

30 second inferno clears? i mean sure if you want to play manual

[sly ravine]

wait what????

[loud locust]

lots of work to do man

can't blame the game entirely

[twilit vault]

Holden also for PVP if you use him as the dispeller in Terror Dot team

[crude sparrow]

valerian s3 is mandatory

[surreal bobcat]

this is truly the worst part

[full delta]

Dot teams can auto you need some investment

[left snow]

what number 1 guy uses doesnt really mean anything

[uncut cliff]

have fun farming all your stamina pots during x2 event in manual

[ruby canyon]

yea im 30+ runs of nico and sharon without any triple matrix shells

[left snow]

he has ssania + lily + whale privileges

[uncut mica]

That's for inferno 2. Inferno 1 introduced a new thing in 3x3 shells so taking yellow out of the pool is for Inferno 2 next year

[left snow]

his gear is so far ahead

[loud locust]

LOL

[wary fractal]

c what are chances of LD unit selector, be straight up

[full delta]

Non existent

[loud locust]

why would we do that

lmfao

[uncut cliff]

i spent my whole daily stamina today for 3 copies of codex 🙃

[wary fractal]

i needed to hear it

[uncut cliff]

i probably got 15 or more monkeys and hamsters

[sly ravine]

so no real point then

[loud locust]

helping with ur copium brain fr..

🙏

[crude sparrow]

on hell?

[left snow]

can you guys buff inferno drop rates at least

[loud locust]

im dead

[left snow]

they are garbage

[loud locust]

monkeys and hamsters

[uncut cliff]

0 but we will likely see another ld banner soon ?

[left snow]

inferno shouldnt drop gold imo

[loud locust]

this will also be something I investigate

[left snow]

only reds

[loud locust]

sounds weird yeah

[uncut cliff]

yes hell codex just refuses to drop

[left snow]

but 2 matrix vs 3 matrix

[crude sparrow]

hell 4, not inferno

[left snow]

like its okay if 3 matrix shells are rare

[uncut cliff]

i went 8 refills with only a single copy droping got 2 more by the end

[left snow]

but getting gold shells from inferno sounds mental

💀

[left snow]

thanks

removing gold shells from the pool

[crude sparrow]

it would be interesting if people documented drops so we can get drop rates from it

[left snow]

would be a good start

Like even if its only

[ruby canyon]

you also dont get more shell mats it's still 11.7k or w/e

[left snow]

90% 2 matrix, 10% 3 matrix, thats fine

if they are all red

at least remove gold shells

[sly ravine]

honestly, if hell 4 dropped all with 3 matrix and only ahve the last piece of gear like swiftraid locked in inferno, I think that would atleast make things more reasonable

[crude sparrow]

agree

[raven basalt]

You still available for relationship advice?

[loud locust]

dude

you're absolutely a weirdo

and I'm banning you

I'm over it

you only ever come here to harrass me

it's weird

[uncut cliff]

why would you care for 3 set of matrix with no inferno set

so you can get an extra 10% atk or hp?

[tight laurel]

Literally anything, it's such a slog rn

[uncut cliff]

tbf that would be a waste to farm

[loud locust]

im over it with that dude it's every day

[devout geyser]

was there lore there or was that just a random statement 😭

from him

not you

[loud locust]

i made a joke about a post breakup glowup one time from a breakup in january

[tight laurel]

We desperate out here to get through this

[devout geyser]

the relationship advice thing

[loud locust]

and he's been harrassing me since

[full delta]

[uncut cliff]

nah its just brainless takes

[loud locust]

because he doesnt like me

im over it

[wary fractal]

yooo ban hammer POG

[uncut cliff]

3 sets on shell is literally a waste if you dont get the ineferno set

[tight laurel]

Tbh mods let a lot of behavior go on unchecked that's made this place really...hard to exist in, sadly

[uncut cliff]

cause the only 6 piece ur getting is a 10% stat 💀

[tight laurel]

I've never seen a server so chill about straight up toxic behavior in so many forms

[wary fractal]

wait can shell drop the third drop thats not one of those gigasets

[loud locust]

because people on the internet are fucking crazy man if u ban someone they make 10 alt accounts and harrass u or post all over reddit about how terrible you are

for banning behavior

that should be banned

[uncut cliff]

it probably cant tbh

[loud locust]

or theyll get their whole guild and friendgroup to attack u

[sacred mirage]

I come back to see this. The hell is wrong with people.

Sorry u deal with that shit

[loud locust]

it's weirdo behavior

[tight laurel]

Yea :\ I don't envy ppl who work in these spaces, it's nasty out here 😦

[uncut cliff]

it would be weird if you got a 3 set that you cant even fill up

[wary fractal]

yea

[loud locust]

genuinely just trying to help people even if sometimes the environment is sensitive and we're all a bit frustrated with things

it's not easy for me either

[left snow]

okay now that the weirdo is banned

[loud locust]

sorry to derail

[left snow]

can we go back to the inferno drop rates

[loud locust]

LMAO

[left snow]

i think we were getting somewher

[loud locust]

dw ill pay attention to that

[devout geyser]

LOL

[sacred mirage]

Frustration is expected but targeted harassment is fucked

[left snow]

removing gold shells from drop pool for inferno

is imo a good direction

[arctic plover]

true the only harassment that is acceptable is an aoe one ||/j||

[clever tapir]

Are u tony? 😂 (im jk)

[crude sparrow]

it´s good like that

[sacred mirage]

Lmao

[crude sparrow]

do you want to make the gap even bigger?

[loud locust]

since I finally banned that guy he's probably gonna post some crazy stuff on reddit or make an alt to harrass me further I can't wait...
someone else was in a thread today accusing me of not doing my job and being busy talking about "drunk driving" ??? I've never said anything about drunk driving in this server once 😭

[clever tapir]

i agree with this tbh its just awful getting all yellows

[loud locust]

sorry im derailing more

[sacred mirage]

My biggest issue is Sania cheese ngl. If everybody suffered whatever

[loud locust]

just had to get my own personal rant out since yall get to do it for free

🤣

[left snow]

lerts make every boss dot immune

and even the playing field

so nobody can clear inferno

[clever tapir]

whys there yellow shells in inferno 😭 cant consistenently farm it either

[crude sparrow]

maybe nerf it, because sania would be useless

[sacred mirage]

Nah. Honestly let's just look at how boss hp scales with defense in the formula and streamline it

[left snow]

i was joking

[sacred mirage]

Fair

[loud locust]

is there genuinely any benefit of having these

[wary fractal]

why couldnt i be the one with shadow sania laughing at these threads and peoples suffering while farming inferno

[loud locust]

like recycle currency?? but would be getting that anyways with reds

[tight laurel]

yea I imagine this could be a really cool job, but when things go bad in some online gaming community, y i k e s

[wary fractal]

instead i must repent as a pleb in hell 4

[clever tapir]

yea rececly currency

[left snow]

my friend did 80 runs on niconana inferno today, got 0 3 matrix shells

[tight laurel]

it prob goes from cool to total nightmare in an instant

[left snow]

that is just garbage

[clever tapir]

of only 5k

[loud locust]

many such cases but we persist

[tight laurel]

just hope youre getting paid the big bucks at least for your troubles

[crude sparrow]

for real, I rerolled and stopped when got heinrich, I should have gotten lily and Sania instead

[clever tapir]

10 stam for 5k shell currency is so fun...

[torpid willow]

Hey Christian, do you know if they plan to make any adjustments before the x2 event?
The feeling of unfairness is really strong for players who fight for the top spots and will fall infinitely behind because of the absurd difficulty of the infierno stages.

[loud locust]

I get paid enough to survive

[warped kestrel]

It'll probably happen in 3-10 years. No shot within the first year.

[crude sparrow]

this is the way in all gachas

[open fable]

doesnt 3 matrix shells have better base stats or was i dreaming

[foggy crane]

Wait till you have to spend 700 stamina to refresh for insight

[clever tapir]

ik

[loud locust]

please refer to pins and consider alternative perspctives before jumping immediately to this. Dynamic may shift within a few days

and dont be stubborn about not investing in anything new or trying something different

[tight laurel]

i'll start a thread on you deserving a raise if you get inferno tuned down a bit 🙏

[wary fractal]

So either nerf sania, nerf the inferno, or postpone the x2 event - is there any other theoretical "solution" if solution is needed

[loud locust]

you have some resets too, obv be careful but there are options here

[uncut cliff]

oh yeah they do i guess 5 speed matters

[left snow]

100+ ATK iirc as well

[loud locust]

it's too early to say we need to nerf it or postpone 2x esp as each day we're seeing some trickle of different strats

[left snow]

big difference

[clever tapir]

nerf sania? 😭

[wary fractal]

im not saying i want it, just like theory of IF soluton is needed of some sorts, what are ALL the options

im accepting it slowly in my heart

[uncut cliff]

so has anyone tried yang with revelation

6 hits go brrrr

[loud locust]

ill brb again but guys tell me if any new non-ss and lily teams show up on the recent clears

esp EU region

[foggy crane]

Is Jackal Guard meta for Tiamat in inferno doki?

[tight laurel]

I've seen some strats pop up, like "the great wall" with CD reduction + artistan shield spam

Do you know if devs hate this sort of "cheese" and are looking at preventing these sort of tactics? Would suck to invest in these for them to get nerfed and invalidated

[arctic plover]

nerfing sania will be a shitstorm after the promise
postponign teh event will also be a shitstorm after people thought it wasn't coming then that it is

so I guess that leaves onlye one solution

[clever tapir]

nerfs are between rta seasons

[loud locust]

we aren't nerfing stuff any pretty much anything will be seen as cheese or abuse rn between revelation, great wall, ssania, lily, etc

so rn all goes and is encouraged

[tight laurel]

I'm afraid to invest in anything that feels cheesy bc losing those resources would 100% brick me

[loud locust]

obv be patient and dont rush into anything

[arctic plover]

cough cough veronika infinite immortality

[loud locust]

as resources are important

but keep ur eyes open rn and keep strategizing with the comm

[left snow]

so nerfs will only be between seasons right ?

like maybe turtle strat gets nerfed but 100 days later ?

[arctic plover]

thank god my goat rc-77 is safe

[uncut cliff]

i dont think its getting nerfed cause it isnt much of an abuse since it will be a slow team and will still need good stats

[tight laurel]

he actually good? he looks good. scared to risk building him tho

[open fable]

tbh i think if its too prevelant in rta they would hot fix it

imagine going up against someone with that strat

[arctic plover]

he has some uses, not too universal

[open fable]

and it was stated it doesnt stack too

[wary fractal]

yall this is my team, i got lily u think it will change sht?

[left snow]

imagine using that strat and going against somebody with that strat

infinite rta match

[wary fractal]

keep in mind these units are JUICED

[uncut cliff]

rta ramps up dmg and lowers heal and shield gains over time

[crude sparrow]

lily not needed

[uncut cliff]

it wouldnt take much

[arctic plover]

I think lily isn't that synergystic with rilm as with xiada/rosa/massiah.

Those three want to have their cooldown reset, rilm does it on her own.

[wary fractal]

youd think right? i have 0% of clearing

[clever tapir]

how juiced

[crude sparrow]

what are your speeds?

[wary fractal]

12/12 dps sets, over 45.000hp valerian etc

270+speed kazuyo

[open fable]

290 speed to out speed the mobs btw

[wary fractal]

ye thats not happening obv

[crude sparrow]

what is the auto priority?

[warped kestrel]

That's insane

[open fable]

they have 120er

iirc

[crude sparrow]

focus left then right litle guyrs

[wary fractal]

auto priority is on small dudes but im tryna manual recently

ye

[open fable]

so 220eff minimum for debuffers

[wary fractal]

its to a point on 2nd wave that if the big middle guy and one small guy hit ur unit they kill it

u dont got much say

[warped kestrel]

No wonder I'm missing so many sleeps and def breaks despite having 150 effacc on Kaz and 100% crit on Gray

[open fable]

i mean it is stated there on the buff category

[wary fractal]

i think mby some bullshit lily>mio to perma freeze steal turn

or classic marvell

[crude sparrow]

do you have codex of magic?

[wary fractal]

but u drop the ball once its tap tap goon night they do 10000dmg

i do, who would you put it on?

[clever tapir]

lol use lily mio, kazuyo, kraken, rilmocha

[wary fractal]

xD

[open fable]

@wary fractal whats your rimo stats?

[crude sparrow]

full cc team I guess

[open fable]

bruh your not clearing inferno sad to say

[crude sparrow]

seems good

[wary fractal]

yea im not

[open fable]

i mean

your rimo wont 1shot the mobs

[wary fractal]

are you insane

oineshot mobs in inferno?

[clever tapir]

Isnt fury keen eye rilmocha better

[arctic plover]

hear me out.

Mio kraken kazuyo Marvel Valerian.

Your only dps is rev on kazuyo, everybody else on codex timeweave, valerian on artisan.

[wary fractal]

bruh what lvl r u

[open fable]

sec i have the ss iirc

[wary fractal]

no rilmocha is onceshoting inferno wave one

[clever tapir]

Oooooooo smart. Wait what about mia instead of valerian for the cd reduction

[arctic plover]

cook!

[left snow]

in global most people ive seen are using count instead of white fang

[wary fractal]

no lily?

[wary fractal]

thats fax actualy yea

[warped kestrel]

30 minute run and still entirely dependent on like 10 different RNGs, but maybe possible

[left snow]

none of them has lily but i guess kloss is a big upgrade over gray

[arctic plover]

clears in three business days

[wary fractal]

kloss over gray is godsent yea, but i dont have her

[clever tapir]

Its gamba timeee its a gacha game after all

[wary fractal]

good thiung i got mio, dokidoki and all the other bullshiters

[open fable]

Missing like 800? Atk and prob 60cdmg

[wary fractal]

see, not even close to wiping

and thats with kloss hack

i dont think wiping the 1st wave is even like, that needed, its just 2nd wave slaps u left right on the nose gg

[clever tapir]

Why not do revelation freya to help rilmocha 1 shot

[wary fractal]

its the 2nd wave my dear

[open fable]

Just need to 1shot 1st wave then 2nd wave is Gucci tbh

[wary fractal]

lowkey, not to go agains my FAV GIRL, but for inferno, foxgirl>rilmocha

[open fable]

2codex

[wary fractal]

hows 2nd wave gucci

[left snow]

codex

[open fable]

If you can 1shot the small guy you can do it again on the other small guy

[wary fractal]

codex on the def breaker and the kazuyo?

[open fable]

But you do need a290 speeder

[wary fractal]

like full red of 1st wave u mean

yea

[open fable]

A 290speeder with 220eff

[wary fractal]

thats multiple 12 speed pieces

[clever tapir]

Doesnt everyone have a 300 speed lily O.o

At least in high rta

[wary fractal]

i got 278 or so speed lily, still too slow

[clever tapir]

Oh

[open fable]

284mio

[wary fractal]

Lowkey mio gotta be a goiod move in DOkiDoki?

[open fable]

I mean first turn turn meter 2nd wave freeze

[wary fractal]

if the AI could make mio uze freeze on 1st turn?

that crazy how much unit changes if the let us chose ai spells

[warped kestrel]

That'll be one of the biggest QoL updates once we get it

[sour lotus]

It's like Volkin who keeps begging for Tiamat to use skill 2 first

[wary fractal]

xD

[warped kestrel]

God, it'll make life so much easier

[sour lotus]

we need auto skill selections

[wary fractal]

what about kazuyo freeze wave one, oneshot with rilma, mio freeze wave 2

[uncut cliff]

we might not need that at leasti dont want the 30 second dot stuff to be real 🙃

[clever tapir]

my lily is 283

shit speed rolls tho

[wary fractal]

does ur lily outspeed doki rocku?

[clever tapir]

ill check

[clever tapir]

nah

prob need 290+

[wary fractal]

thats kinda in the middle yea, cuz she does outspeed the big dudes

thank you for ur 1 stamina sacrifice

[clever tapir]

np

now pay me

jk

[wary fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/wallet-penacony-honkai-star-rail-clockie-no-money-gif-14673244072619990643

if i had money id roll for kloss

[full delta]

I mod for marvel rivals with like 4.6M people - we keep bans and moderation private for that very reason

[charred minnow]

would prefer getting either no shell and more currency, than a yellow

[warped kestrel]

Yellow shells sell for currency, so it's effectively just a currency bonus instead of a shell in my view

[charred minnow]

sorry had to be more precise, prefer getting double currency than yellow shell

yellow shell only gives what 5k

but normal currency drop gives 10k

[warped kestrel]

3 or 4 I think, reds are 5k

[charred minnow]

ah even worse

[warped kestrel]

But yeah I too would rather get double currency (and the reconfig chips too of course)

[charred minnow]

wouldn't mind seeing 150k training data and only 3 mythic shells (that can be bad and still recycle or awaken materials)

[twilit wave]

I see a lot of people saying it should be possible to cook a team n not a lot of people actually suggesting a different team

[wary fractal]

guys i might have it

wit hthe mio bullshit w8

[charred minnow]

so swap lily with another ld ssr

[torpid willow]

The question is: why is content that’s meant to be farmed on auto so extremely difficult?
How are more casual players supposed to clear that reliably?

If I’m a whale with full red gear and perfect shells, and I can’t even get the boss down to half HP…

What am I supposed to do to clear this content if there’s barely any room left for improvement? Just pull for Sanya and sit around waiting while other players farm everything with a broken comp?

[wary fractal]

1. Mio - S3

2. Kazuyo - S3 (Codex)

3. Lily S2 on Gray

4. Gray - S3

5. Rilmocha S3 - clear wave 1

6. Mio - S2

7. Kazuyo - S3

8. Lily S3 on Gray

9. Gray - S3

10. Rilmocha - S3 - clear wave2

someone giga smart pls look over this

tell me this dont work

on auto

while contesting inferno speed cuz its mio basestats

https://tenor.com/view/ponder-the-khub-khubie-orb-ponder-gif-17973857078894805054

[clever tapir]

whats everyones elses speeds, u dont want the skill turn order to be off cuz mio was too fast

[wary fractal]

i mean this plan with speed tuning, but tuned it works it gotta

the problem was wave 2 def break cuz codex dont work on gray since it rsets his s2 lol

but lily ult is full reset

[clever tapir]

Oo

[wary fractal]

i might jsut had my brain fully wrinkled and expanded

[full delta]

Would require gray to have a higher attack than Rilmocha (aka 1 crit rate piece and prob 2 atk% pieces) - it’s possible with Mio speed but that speed tune will be very annoying

Also you need to account for the spd down

[wary fractal]

he does, cuz he got duopes in him

[full delta]

If you don’t land your pushback

cuz they have ridiculously high resist

[wary fractal]

ah if pushback doesnt land its over yea, i cant do that much

but its mio, it lands c:

[full delta]

Yeah if I miss on 4 enemies with Kazuyo s3 maxed and 230% effect accuracy

Gg

[wary fractal]

cant do much abt that, its full red gear with acc slots

mby roll eff acc on shells? but thats pushing it, event is on 21st

[full delta]

And gold roll effect accuracy on my helmet

[full delta]

Yeah I would need that insight shell roll thing or something

[wary fractal]

cant do more than that, the amount it lands it lands, its max the game allows

[full delta]

It’s 3 hits

So we prayge

[wary fractal]

wait how many hits is mio

[full delta]

1

[wary fractal]

oh my god

but its 65% maxed, so 130% max then fighting the eff resistance

[full delta]

and 10% innate

[wary fractal]

cant do nuffn about that

[full delta]

It doesn’t feel like 10%

[wary fractal]

i mean if kazuyo could outspeed wave 1 without mio its diferent story

but not hapening

[full delta]

Kazuyo wants to go fourth anyways

[wary fractal]

wym fourth

she wants to got before them

[full delta]

Like right before your dps

[wooden socket]

My 191% eff acc Mio with the insight shell skill making her 251 eff acc on turn 1 still misses her maxed S2 freeze on 2 units on average when I manual to use her s2 first

[clever tapir]

so the other aoes wont wake the enemies up to attack you

[wary fractal]

kazuyo the reverie? the one that ccs enemies

kazuyo is the one that sleeps

[full delta]

If she goes before them then your gray s2 and s3 wakes up the enemies

[wary fractal]

ye

and rilma goes next

mio s3 opener fixes us no?

tbh wouldnt marvel be better LUL

[full delta]

I mean ehh

[wary fractal]

cuz he poushes back 40%

[full delta]

He was used in beta

[wary fractal]

u know what i mean, then all ur units go one after another, waking up doesnt matter, enemy dead before they take turn

[clever tapir]

But if they not dead

U dead

[wary fractal]

x)

but marvel only has 100% chance to land, mio got 120, plus the SSR speed rolls in prowess

What shells would Mio and lily even run?

we need shells that target ur top dmger and give them extra dmg 😉

[charred minnow]

@loud locust maybe another suggestion regarding this: why doesn't all stages starting from Hell 1 give module shop currency either 100% of the time or with a chance and then do it like: Hell 1 - 5, Hell 2 - 10, Hell 3 - 25, Hell 4 - 50, Inferno - 75 or 100, ofc numbers can be different, but atleast then someone being able to do lesser stages are able to get pieces of gear of specific set more reliable. It could also be done instead of it being level based to unlock the sets from the shop, make it so you have to clear atleast Hell 3 or 4 once to unlock the respective set pieces. Feels like this shop is purely for whales after the first 15 pieces you can get from clearing Hell 1-Inferno on all 3 bosses

[clever tapir]

Guys just wondering, what about holden with the life steal shell O.o

[steady vessel]

guys i have lily massiah rosa kloss freya.
i want to try to clear doki inferno (if possible auto)
I have 12ssr latice to invest (lily already S1 and S2 fully skilled)

I wanted to invest 12up on rosa (and reset her just before the end of the x2)
Is it a good plan ?

[wary fractal]

actualy cool idea

[quasi laurel]

even better if we get some of the currency whenever we recycle mythic modules

[wary fractal]

now that u said it, feels so weird they dont drop it

[charred minnow]

or make it so we have a choice between coins or that currency

so it's still a bit of a tradeoff

[clever tapir]

Yea that shop feels like its a whale only shop

[charred minnow]

maybe I should make it into a suggestion thread

[clever tapir]

Do it

[charred minnow]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1384300883092836382

but tbf having a way to get more chances on reliable gear drops would already lessen the pain, especially during 2x event

[wary fractal]

C guy probably relays all these to the main people

its more if those main people actualy care

[loud locust]

good to know i can maybe suggest this

[loud locust]

man quit dooming just be patient and try and work with ppl here

lots of people working together and u just keep dooming in the thread with the same thing over n over

it's pointless

we hear ya

let's just try and give it some time, as you might have a way out within a day or two

we got these resets this week so be patient with those too in case something happens where u can use it well

[wary fractal]

c, what are the chances you suggest them to lower the opener speed on Doki Doki inferno, be straight up

[neon saffron]

im gonna be real there is literally nothing

not even khloros can do it

and hes type adv

[loud locust]

i wont

suggest it

[wary fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cry-phone-spider-man-cry-phone-spider-man-phone-toby-phone-gif-12875606672124040541

[loud locust]

the main thing im looking for rn is shell farming

as those are still hardest and there's been less new strats for them

without lily

[devout geyser]

im ngl I used the resets to set up my dot team

[loud locust]

ay well at least ur set

[devout geyser]

aside from Aurora, dont even want to think about her 😅

[wary fractal]

i have a question i was pondering, whats the use of farming inferno shells, when they only give 3 out of 6 of those power sets, you still need to clear inferno to get the other 3

or am i mistaken somewhere

[twilit wave]

its too late now but they really could've just kept beta difficulty n increased lvl requirements to space out the progression

[loud locust]

would be boring

[twilit wave]

I'm not sure thrs a way to balance this now without ppl clearing endgame in a week

other than wait for new units release

[loud locust]

there's no perfect solution that is easy to find that balances boredom, revenue, and difficulty perfectly

i talked about it in pins so did somebody else

that's why im working hard to get the community together to find alternatives and solutions rn as adjusting difficulty is a last resort that needs very careful consideration

people are too quick to give up sometimes bc they let the doomposting and frustration win

[neon saffron]

they just need to turn it down a bit to where other units can be used, only have sania being able to be the one to clear is obv way too much

there has to be a fine line to keep it interesting but there is literally 0 theory crafting

[loud locust]

for which boss is only sania working

[neon saffron]

terror

[twilit wave]

auto ai changes would help a lot

[loud locust]

that's not true

[twilit wave]

if u dont wanna change difficulty

[neon saffron]

100% true

[twilit wave]

both on enemy and our side

[neon saffron]

go look at all recent and top leaders

[loud locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384230665461170346/1384259768172155021/image.png?ex=6851c7df&is=6850765f&hm=08f993164b61bb7691c386ecebd7a9a34a618e381ac66e9aeff15465b5f4f94e&https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384230665461170346/1384259768172155021/image.png?ex=6851c7df&is=6850765f&hm=08f993164b61bb7691c386ecebd7a9a34a618e381ac66e9aeff15465b5f4f94e&

this is inferno terror

there are teams without ssania and we're just getting started

ssania is just the easiest rn but there will be more

[charred minnow]

I kind of don't understand the complaints about not being able to clear Inferno level difficulity at week 1-2, looking at Epic 7 Wyvern 13 it's since this year that new players could do it after 1-2 weeks of grinding, before that it used to be 2-4 weeks to be able to clear with 70% succesrate , now they have to give the necessary units, tons of free gear, tons of free materials etc

[royal furnace]

Levi clears inferno terro without ssania and lily on auto

[loud locust]

can u show that team?

[royal furnace]

Gimme sec

[loud locust]

trying to get people more aware of teams and ideas here

so it will help a lot

and what types of investments they have on them

[royal furnace]

Its even ln his youtube

[loud locust]

bc obv grandy is a special case

[royal furnace]

Oh everyone knows grandy xD

[loud locust]

been seeing a few good things between terror/aurora/doki that aren't ssania or lily reliant now

just take a little bit longer

the shell bosses I still need more investigation on

really appreciate any help investigating new strats there so we can spread the knowledge

[wary fractal]

which shell bosses u tlakin bout, inferno right?

[loud locust]

yes

like nico

saw some for sharon

[neon saffron]

How invested are these units? thats another problem

[loud locust]

not sure exactly but theyre some srs at least

[wary fractal]

oh yea inferno nico is SO hard actualy i forgot cuz i deleted her from mymind

[loud locust]

but that holden could be pretty built out

[neon saffron]

holden im not too worried i just dont see people sending mia or even maybe hellkid with anything crazy but if they all of to be full sent idk

[dusty dust]

However, there's a difference between being able to clear once in manual mode and having a team that allows 100% auto clear.
If a team without lily can clear in manual mode with a very good RNG, it doesn't mean that there aren't balancing problems for inferno modules farming

[royal furnace]

@loud locust there

[charred minnow]

can you show investments etc?

[loud locust]

nico inferno team

[loud locust]

2:26

[wary fractal]

you know in a month these will be the best times, memories of striving for a breakthrough, but atm, oooooof pain

[wary fractal]

as i 6 star my mio 10mins ago POG

[quasi laurel]

the starting point of this whole "inferno is a problem" is that the non dot teams you can see clearing it have the 3 passive pets (that you literally can not have unless you cleared it before)

like that giga chad rosa above

[warped kestrel]

A good point that shouldn't be ignored. This game is meant to be autoed.

[quasi laurel]

questionable if that 3rd passive is strictly required for the run to work, but at the very least it helps a lot

[left snow]

does that actually work after veronika nerfs ?

[loud locust]

well this is still for people who are complaining about auto vs manual

[left snow]

i thought that team didnt work after the nerf

[royal furnace]

Its 15% spd and atk if i remember

[loud locust]

that clear was from

like 10 minutes ago

[left snow]

oh

[loud locust]

i just took the screenshtos myself

[left snow]

good then

[charred minnow]

swiftraid won't be the defining factor

will make it easier for sure

basically that's 190 atk extra for that rosa

[dusty dust]

@loud locust may I have your opinion about my message?

[wary fractal]

holy shit swiftrain gives speed=

i NEED that

[loud locust]

ive already talked about it

auto is important but not expected from the jump

[warped kestrel]

We all NEED that.

[loud locust]

ss/lily is easy solution, but im sure it will figure itself out

as we pay attention to what other people are doing

[wary fractal]

no u dont get it, im all in on my acc on dokidoki infgerno, i NEEEEEEEEED IT

[royal furnace]

Ss lily is mostly also manual

[wary fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[loud locust]

if a few days ago by or a week and no one is able to auto it still even with the new strategies then we can take a look

[charred minnow]

yeah ssania is not that good in auto

[loud locust]

but we gotta keep brainstorming and workign together not dooming

ima repeat myself over and over

[loud locust]

ah okay

just fast clears

[dusty dust]

i see thank you. Also, are there any plans to add an indicator in the replays to show whether the replay comes from an auto run?

[loud locust]

no idea but it's a good suggestion

[charred minnow]

yeah which imho is a good tradeoff

ssania/lily are RNG dependant and manual teams most of the time

[royal furnace]

I say those ssania clears 99% them are manual

[arctic plover]

in niconana the speed also matters

[royal furnace]

In terro

[charred minnow]

the amount of Resists I've seen

[royal furnace]

On shells you can auto

[fervent fox]

PvE in this game on inferno (exception being doki) is heavily overtuned without dots. Devs buffed them to a point where you can only use the solution they thought of, which always includes specific SSR Units and LDs are often part of it, or you use dots. Devs really overdid it PvE was at its best state 2 Betas ago, last Beta i would say it was too hard for f2p and less informed players and release they somehow lost every connection to reality and upgraded every boss difficulty by like 100% 😂

[loud locust]

thank you for not helping

🤣

[quasi laurel]

we tend to forget that the majority of players do not use youtube/discord nor do extensive research about teams and strategies.

I would say that starting at hell 3 the difficulty gets disproportional (extra worse since hell 3 is the threshold players have to cross to be able to farm 12/8 and 12/12 sets)

[loud locust]

pins guys and keep working together I think all of us are aware it's harder than beta and quite frustrating for people right now

but it's way too early to say it MUST be urgently rushed to change

we've had convos about it above

now just focusing on working together to find new strats and contribute to pins

so we can spread new info to players via youtube/discord/more

people are finding ways to clear all of these things alr, and it will continue to show

so there are good signs that multiple strategies may be in our scope here

[quasi laurel]

we know, we are just disagreeing that the correct approach is "lets just figure out how to make it work guys"

[loud locust]

but doomposting a day into it is also not the correct approach either

[quasi laurel]

for us the correct approach is to tune it down (at least for me, but it seems leviatra has the same opinion)

[loud locust]

when you havent given people time to figure it out

just because one strategy is working well doesnt mean more wont be discovered and it must be tuned immediately

bc making changes like that are big and cant be rushed just because people found beta easier

check my message in pins

lets not argue about it more

we've already done that enough earlier in the day

im focused on gearing this thread towards finding new strats so we can continue to analyze and see how serious this is

or if it eventually breaks through with a few days time

[quasi laurel]

I can't speak on the behalf of others, but I am not doom posting, I am adding a +1 in the opinion that it is not alright the way it is

[sick crater]

Lily not used in pvp? Fangus not used in pvp? 🤣

[quasi laurel]

I am even giving the specific context of where I think that the difficulty gets disproportional instead of just sayin "game bad"

[loud locust]

yes and we've all talked about it extensively

just saying right now complaining isnt gonna help and we need to monitor it first before we can come to real conclusions

[warped kestrel]

We're just really scared because x2 is coming and if we don't figure this out soon, we won't be able to catch up to those who do have Lily + SSania anytime soon, if the x2 wasn't right around the corner this would still be a bad situation, but not nearly as pressing as the x2 is making it

[loud locust]

agreed it's concerning, but it's only been a day and we're starting to see new strats for all three threshold and now some popping up for grim pursuits

[quasi laurel]

sure, but instead of monitoring the giga whales that are clearing it without dot maybe the best thing to monitor is the player retention after level 35 👍

[loud locust]

sure!

[royal furnace]

Can we monitor revelation in pvp as closely

[loud locust]

lmao

that is being looked at

we'll see if counters come up

[royal furnace]

Freya hitting half hp is not fine

[charred minnow]

Then dropping the sudden x2 announcement after not getting any info on it and ppl who got tired of waiting using their vials to progress is crazy 2x shouldve been announced for beginning of July or something (sorry for derail)

[loud locust]

and giga whales arent the only ones completing it

you can see pins

the grandy guy is not someone anyone is taking seriously for this convo

[charred minnow]

She should just aoe oneshot all times

[royal furnace]

Grandy cult is infectious

I see so many messiahs

+rest of supports

[dreamy cliff]

@loud locust about revelation, is it getting nerfed anytime soon? Thats honestly the only way to clear inferno doki right now. I need info before I start investing all my ressources into it and it get nerfed right after

[royal furnace]

More about pvp

I wanna play bruisers

[loud locust]

no idea for revelation, and any changes will definitely not be rushed after last week

but it's on our radar

as well as this inferno stuff

pvp still has a long season ahead

so don't sweat it too much

[fervent fox]

thats cap bro doki is easily clearable witout rev, tho i also think it shouldnt be nerfed for PvE. But if it stays like that for PvP ehhh 💀

[loud locust]

if there is any possibility of changing it in pvp, they wouldnt touch pve

it's separate

and would be rly bad to mess with in pve

anyways guys gonna pivot thread back to finding builds and brainstorming

if yal ldont mind

if ur ever on the game and see some interesting recent clears

[dreamy cliff]

Nerfing it in PvP is an absolute must. Leaving as is for PvE i think is fine

[loud locust]

pls add screenshots and info for me to pin!

[acoustic ivy]

imo, if your farming modules during the 2x event your kinda wasting your stamina imo

[fervent fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEGzq_Ccl80 here you go terror team without dots that works 80% on auto if you have the dmg to build it

[acoustic ivy]

noooo the khloros veronica

[royal furnace]

Yes

[loud locust]

hey bro a strat is a strat

thank u!

[acoustic ivy]

i got another

one sec

[loud locust]

that one def really niche

but u never know if one of these pins could save someone stuck

[charred minnow]

Cool setup damn

[acoustic ivy]

no khloros, no veronica, no s.sania non of that stuff

[loud locust]

we actually put urs in pins!

we were seeking a little info on ur builds

[dreamy cliff]

80% is far from safe enough. Any gacha game with farming has 100% safe f2p teams that can clear any of the hardest content.

[acoustic ivy]

it needs more work, ill be making a guide

after i fine tune it

[loud locust]

it's day 1 man be patient

[acoustic ivy]

that was like a first clear team to make sure the theory works

[loud locust]

sweet thank you

[acoustic ivy]

very scuff gear

[loud locust]

esp knowing if it can auto or not

[acoustic ivy]

also check your dmss lmao

i need to talk to you about guide stuff

[charred minnow]

No lmfao most games have innate debuff resistance that will fail runs, especially for f2p/new player runs

This game has an innate 10% failure rate to most runs

If you cant kill with raw dmg and are in need of a specific debuff that is

Even those dot teams dont have 100% succes rate

[royal furnace]

Tbh if you fail to strip terro you just fail

[fervent fox]

100% is impossible due to the fact that terror has immunity at the beginning and res wall exists

[dreamy cliff]

I have been playing summoners war since beta my account is over 4000 days old. There ALWAYS has been a 100% safe team for any farmable content

[fervent fox]

also by the current state hf trying to build 100% without dots for anything besides doki

[loud locust]

well this isn't summoners war lets try and keep grinding together im excited to see nico testing more

[royal furnace]

Sw is 11 years old also, this game is less than 2 weeks

[charred minnow]

After a long while of grinding sure... But not after 2 weeks of playing 🤡

[dreamy cliff]

I understand that. Regardless farming should be safe and not a waste of your ressources by dieing 2/10 times especially with how limited ressources are

[small knot]

Would valerian work in place of veronika

[dreamy cliff]

After day3 of summoner war launch people were farming giant with 100% success rate 100% f2p team

[charred minnow]

The idea of veronica is to strip the immunity

[fervent fox]

no she doesnt strip lol

😂

[rigid kettle]

[small knot]

Sigh I don’t have veronika 🚶‍♂️

[tardy ocean]

I think, the biggest take away from everything I have read in this thread as well as the other 7 or 8 threads. (@loud locust thank you for closing the duplicates homie.)

Is that this game is a marathon, not a race, or a sprint. There is no reward for getting something done the fastest, and most time then anything it's the ones who do race, that ends up making the mistakes that you learn from.

[loud locust]

for sure and a lot of people don't recognize that or care

but it's fine, ill work with all these angry people

[wary fractal]

c honest question please just few letters, ditting is obviously OP but im deathly afraid of the nerf hammer, no nerfs for now like we promised yes?

[loud locust]

DITING ISNT GETTING NERFED OMG

[wary fractal]

THX BOO

❤️

[sacred mirage]

failing every time you restart while testing in this is kinda wild ngl

it hurts people for trying

[rigid kettle]

[loud locust]

am i the only one who thinks -1 stam isn't a big deal

😬

[sacred mirage]

yes

[tardy ocean]

I swear to the heavens... @loud locust can we ban the word Nerf for anyone below a CM?

[rigid kettle]

yeah -1 stam penalty is fine

[dreamy cliff]

Of course this is a marathon no one is gonna farm inferno for 2 days and be full max rolls etc... it just feels bad wasting your ressources dieing to a failed strip when your kazuyo had 210% accuracy

[tacit spoke]

[wary fractal]

no i agree, when i started the game i was like, takle atleast -5 wtf

-1 is bless

[loud locust]

WTF

-5 is crazy

😭

[sudden wedge]

I think it shouldn’t change because my heinrich would lose value

[loud locust]

id kms

[wary fractal]

wtf xD

ye -1 is godsend

[tardy ocean]

@loud locust wait till people see my Hell 4 Doki Doki team with only Rs and SRs.

[sacred mirage]

who is actually doing inferno and thinks that?

cuz everybody else can just copy

[loud locust]

ANYWAYS GUYS PLS BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR INFERNO TEAM BUILDS THAT ARE UNIQUE AND NOT USING SSANIA/LILY!! Whether it's on grim pursuit or threshold bosses. TY!! take screenshots like this to help us figure out more strats

[charred minnow]

The amount of times I had exactly 10 stam and failed and had to sit around for 5 min are not many, but the times I did have to wait were kinda annoying

[warped kestrel]

What do you mean there's no reward for doing things the fastest? There are greater rewards the higher up you end in all PvP content in this game, from Arena, Guild Wars, RTA, etc, and this is entirely dependent on whether you can farm best-in-slot gear efficiently, or even at all.

Sure, this type of game can be played as a marathon, but it is also viewed as a race by many, I dare even say by most, and there are good reasons for that.

[undone vortex]

go back into ur cage

[loud locust]

^ there's def two sides to all of this

as i said in my pin

at the beginning

we still don't know who's truth is right though until we have more testing and time

theres diff sides perspectives for all of this

[fading stream]

im guessing you have S3 max on Veronika and some max on khloros as well?

[sacred mirage]

in a competitive game, allowing cheese to get this far ahead during this time is wild tho

cheese you cannot guarantee with whale whale

[loud locust]

everything will be considered cheese once it works

it was just the most accessible and quickest one to realize

[fervent fox]

doki is free anyway literally the only content noone has a problem dealing with. The Inferno rage is mostly abt Shell Dungeons. And maybe u talk stuff abt "uwu marathon not race" for the moment but ill ping u when the time comes and say: told ya! GL finding teams

[loud locust]

but more will come

[tardy ocean]

You can only achieve so much at a time. I mean hell, we can only do AI arena 15 times a day. We can only earn so much currency in a time frame in RTA.

It's all time gated resorces

So no need to rush to the finishline

[loud locust]

let's not argue further

it's not worth the energy

better to focus on finding shell boss teams

[tacit spoke]

letting half the playerbase sht their way through the hardest content with half naked units is wild

[sacred mirage]

i would agree if people werent already clearing inferno for what, 3 days now?

[loud locust]

and other inferno teams

[arctic plover]

X is a marathon not a race is just a senseless meme that means nothing. Furthermore it's even funnier as marathon is a race.

It basically means "Oh you don't like that something is bad, try not caring about it. I don't care and neither should you. Maybe you will clear those things in a week, maybe month, maybe a year. I don't mind, why do you mind? You should think exactly the same way I do."

[sacred mirage]

this

why is it allowed for them to be undergeared

this is in no way a fair comparison to people grinding real teams

any semblance of that belief is genuinely mindboggling

[loud locust]

let's stop arguing I think we are all aware of the frustration here and im tired of the same ppl just recycling arguments over and over

[sacred mirage]

in a competitive environment

[sudden wedge]

it’s a gacha, luck = skill

[loud locust]

on both sides

it is a gacha and sometimes luck is gonna be a big deal but also doesnt devalue yalls complaints about that

[undone lantern]

Lets listen to the ppl stuck in Hell and not those actually clearing inferno 💀

got it

[sacred mirage]

real apparently

unless people are in inferno doing the work they frankly dont know

[loud locust]

this thread is focused on team comps and brainstorming now , as we've gone over the talking points so many times already

so im asking for some consideration of that

🙏

[sacred mirage]

thats a fair ask. ima just dip then

[loud locust]

we all understand even if some people approach the game differently

thank uuu

[undone lantern]

closing threads about discussion in a feedback channel and saying no feedback even if repeated is allowed is cringe imma be real C

[arctic plover]

this was not a thread about brainstorming initially, it was a thread about complaining

[undone vortex]

[undone lantern]

and then C merged it

and told ppl to go here

so that's on them