Let's talk about Inferno - go to the other thread thx - c

[tender musk]

ill say sorry for being mean

but if ur just ignoring the fact that we arent discussing module dungeons here and the inferno shell bosses

then ur just wasting time here

[flint lynx]

Low key, be real.

Do you just not want to accept you have been proven wrong and refuse to acknowledge that you are left with 2 options.

1, be patient and play the game everyday

2, uninstall and fine another game to play.

Because at this point you have had multiple people explain this to you and it isn't sinking in... so we ALL are wasting out time on you.

[frozen saddle]

I just see white boxes

[flint lynx]

You aren't going to come into this game on Day one, let alone week one and complete the whole game. The whole point of games like this is you play every day and get stronger as you play. Even with the giga whales buying all the packs getting every character in the game you wanna know what they are doing?

Farming, playing the game every day. Getting stronger and none of them are in the feedback threats complaining like people have since launch. Like holy..

[hallow citrus]

theres only one person who managed to do this as far as i was told and their diting and kloros gear was out of this world. This isnt an accurate representation of what anyone can do. I wouldnt be surprised if they used the 2 ld dot team in the first place to farm for their diting kloros gear.

[flint lynx]

Please hold

You know what I see in these images?

[wicked monolith]

I need a full auto team

I hate manual i got shit to do

@tender musk help be useless i mean useful maybe

[hallow citrus]

then maybe the info i had is outdated and there is now 2. But it doesnt change the point at all. Check their gear will u?

Then check the dot gear

[wicked monolith]

All there gear op mine sucks ass

How is what i wonder

@frozen saddle its honestly just rocks fault

[hallow citrus]

Aint no way ure getting that gear without frming in inferno with dot

in such a short period of time

unless ure just insanely lucky

[flint lynx]

I see two people out of all the people with a different teams. Wanna know why everyone is using the same teams? Let's think for a moment. Because even with whaling. Skill ups are not something you can just buy in this game. Use there were a few packs with 1, maybe 2 but no one to my knowledge has fully skilled up teams right now....

Which could make the worlds difference as people are using animus that aren't preforming to what their best is.

And why is that you ask?

Because the game is only a week old in global and no one has built anything else.

[wicked monolith]

I mean you were copying someones team in general today asking for advice not sure where your opinion is coming from if u havnt cleared the content

[hallow citrus]

So ure telling me more people happened to build dot than diting, checks out

theres only 2 because the gear requirements are out of this world

[wicked monolith]

I farmed doki 4 all day got no useable pieces

[flint lynx]

I mean people are just discovering what Revelations can do

So that could change

Plus we could get more animus as well

[hallow citrus]

I am saying the reason is the gear, u are saying its the lattices.

and where does the gear come from... from inferno farming with dot

[flint lynx]

No, what I am saying is time.

Time is the factor in all of this.

Litterally everyone in one of these feedback threads about the difficulty are screaming to the heavens to an answer for the higher levels... yet right now there is only one because of limited resources

Because of this lovely thing called

Timegated Resources

[hallow citrus]

dot with 2 lds is basically gate keeping inferno unless u want to spend a weeks or months for f2ps farming hell

[lofty halo]

it is always the same 2-3 guys arguing that everything is fine the way it is because they can do it and in their head if they can do it and you can not that makes them better than you

don't even bother

[flint lynx]

I will never understand why people have such an issue with doing this. You have so many units you will want to build over the weeks. Animus to form teams so you aren't constantly switching your gear around. So that when you get into early rta you aren't fighting over the same 5-6 units.

[hallow citrus]

Ill take up on ur advice lol

[flint lynx]

I mean shit... the person who was a content creator and won the turny today did it by dominating with a Kraken... yet no one bothers to build him because he isn't an LD

[lofty halo]

how does that has anything to do with the topic of this thread?

[dusk cave]

Everyone knows how good kraken is. No surprise

[lofty halo]

I just won pvp defense against someone from your union 3x in a row with marvell soloing them despite losing speed

that doesn't make inferno balanced tho

[dusk cave]

Having skill up is essentially to make a unit work

[flint lynx]

Because people think in order to do inferno content you HAVE to have the same 5 units as the giga whales while no one who is in this thread has even bothered to show they have a stat line comparable or even close to push this level of content

[lofty halo]

no one has, everyone is using shadow sania with whatever modules

because to get giga geared as you said it would require to clear the content that they are gated to do in the first place

there is literal one guy who is glazing his own ego who can do terror without it

[flint lynx]

Hell i had someone say they had 14 units level 50 and 6 star but didn't bother to show their builds.

[lofty halo]

and that is pretty much it

[flint lynx]

So maybe, just maybe. It ain't the difficulty

It's yall not actually taking the time to farm more then a weeks worth of effort

[lofty halo]

you might be right and we are just not the same breed of gamer as you and your friends are, there is always the chance 👍

[dusk cave]

Farm you only get 10 refills a day

[flint lynx]

Also weird flex but pop off, you won an AI arena defense.

[dusk cave]

And having a unit makes the comp work not everyone can pull full ssr roster

[lofty halo]

not a flex, but I noticed that the only people who lose 2+ times in a row is from LC 🥲

that one was using lian

you might kick him, after arena thingy is over and I can check I can snitch if you paypall me

maybe I am being unfair, I am assuming that everyone on it is an elitist like you

[flint lynx]

We aren't kicking people over an arena defense lost that you litterally gain nothing from.

Hell i put an Ashuu only defense as a curtisy win to others because losing really doesn't effect you if you are doing your arena runs everyday.

[lofty halo]

that is why I have little to no sympath

[lofty halo]

what a generous man, thanks

[flint lynx]

Like Etherena, isn't a deal break of a lost.

[frozen saddle]

didnt tectone win?

[calm valley]

My issue is the we unlocked it yesterday I’m not asking to be reactive I’m saying to give us players who are a here a chance to farm shells (not white fang) like codex, jackle gaurds etc, and see if it’s actually doable.

I can 100% bet you have max like 4 red shells. And 2 are whitefang.

Hell you unlock codex of magic and inferno mode on the same god damn day

[flint lynx]

Yes

[tender musk]

Nah it's okay I accept the only option is F2P will just have to build Fangus and Viper it's all good

[flint lynx]

But Theeeeeeeenya! They want to farm it now? They can't be patient.

[tender musk]

They will just have to wait +1 month to touch stuff others touch in a week that'll have it

[calm valley]

F2p haven’t even gotten to inferno dude they are level 46

[flint lynx]

😂

[calm valley]

Yes those players are 50k deep, please understand there will be a difference

And are spending 20hours. Day discussing ideas

[flint lynx]

Wha... whales therory crafting in order to help the community?!?!

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-shocked-how-dare-you-shock-shocking-gif-11277509288657991552

[calm valley]

I like how you only talk about shell dungeons and not the ether track. The only people who beat that are those with maxed messiahs untill someone found out how to do it with Diting

[tender musk]

Because those gamemodes are designed to be difficult

[calm valley]

Imagine that if you give players time they will find options

[tender musk]

so it doesnt matter how difficult they are

[calm valley]

Sooo are inferno modes

[tender musk]

they're intended to be end game PVE challenge mode

[calm valley]

So are inferno modes

[tender musk]

All modes of modules and shell bosses are progressive

[calm valley]

No inferno is where you get the end game final pieces

[tender musk]

progressive = reasonable and achievable in variety of compositions in a realitive time manner
PVE Challenge mode = who cares it's whatever you need to beat it and check it even if it's only 5 specific characters like it's a puzzle

that's my perception

[flint lynx]

I hate to say it. But you aren't gonna speak sense to them. You are one of the pillars of helping this community but some people can't be helped especially if they aren't willing to accept it or wait for others to figure it out.

[calm valley]

My problem is you want to skip the progressive part of farming alternative shells In hell mode and go straight to inferno

I 100% believe by the end of next week we will see other teams beat inferno mode

[tender musk]

But I did farm those alternative shells and my issue is the only way to progress is specifically DOT here or you can't get the next tier of shells to continue your progression

[calm valley]

Ok show me the 20+ different shells you have maxed

Cause you might need 4 of each

[frozen saddle]

Tf 20+?

[tender musk]

having 20+ shells is irrelevant

it's the quality of the shell

that matters

20+ is just to build for pvp

[flint lynx]

Please, I beg you...

Actually read what is being said before having a knee jerk response every time...

[calm valley]

No cause we don’t know what combo is required

[tender musk]

which means ur weaker choosing to prioritize pvp over it

[frozen saddle]

Who needs 20+ max ascended sbells.....

[calm valley]

Maybe revalilation is the solution to inferno

Or void

[tender musk]

it isn't btw

alrdy tried

rev isnt that insane for pve

it's more PVP

[calm valley]

Maybe double healer Fatismo might work

[tender musk]

all the best multi hitters are Green

which doesnt work well enough for Nico

[frozen saddle]

Boss Dmg scales the longer the fights get

[tender musk]

best I could do is like Dinah+Rosa

like no offense

but ur spouting theory

and i've alrdy done this all

[calm valley]

Ok but we have not tested any ideas yet so we don’t know if it’s doable

[tender musk]

that's the difference and why I get frustrated

im hearing these ideas alrdy done and dusted repeated

[calm valley]

Don’t just nerf just cause some f2p can’t just Insta clear

[frozen saddle]

I have one you never tried before O.o

[tender musk]

Hit me with it

I'm done to try it all if I can reasonable achieve the resources

[calm valley]

And yet I’m in one of the top global servers and am a whale so please don’t spout shit

[tender musk]

Not "try this after farming this specific 1% drop for 20 weeks"

[frozen saddle]

Uh which boss

[flint lynx]

Imagine not wanting to farm modules and shells for that 1% drop..

[dusk holly]

I have the secret sauce

[frozen saddle]

Same same

Its click the exit stage button

[flint lynx]

Is it low sodium? Cause I can't handle the salt levels in these feedback threads

[tender musk]

ur also same boat cant clear

[dusk holly]

um I can't be sharing the secret sauce then it'd be just sauce

[dusk holly]

dam u ssed my profile smh

[tender musk]

that's Thenya's

[dusk holly]

bet

[frozen saddle]

Rosa revelation dps for nico nana battlewill onslaught. Does that work?

Or is revalation only for 1 atk

[flint lynx]

Question, what element is Nico again?

[frozen saddle]

Does follow up atk count as a turn?

[frozen saddle]

Fire

[calm valley]

Oh cool you have beat the entry level bosses, now farm them

[flint lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/natalie-nunn-adore-nunn-zeus-network-auntea-podcast-chuckles-gif-9096493417345411768

[dusk holly]

red

[calm valley]

Which is what I’m doing

[tender musk]

ya and I have bro and I easily have some of the best dps gear on this server and it barely tickles this chick

[calm valley]

When I have more built I’ll go ahead and beat inferno

[tender musk]

and if im tickling this thing

with full red's and 3 matrix lines

on 12/12

[calm valley]

Why I can get nico to about 30% hp with diting

And my sub stats suck

[tender musk]

nah show me vid

of that

on inferno

go

[flint lynx]

Bro blocked me because he couldn't handle being told to farm.... 💀

[tender musk]

cause I tested Sumi + Marvel + Dinah +Diting

and it does 48%

[calm valley]

I’ll be in Vc at reset I can show you then

[tender musk]

just record video

[dusk holly]

who's sumi

[frozen saddle]

Yumi

[calm valley]

I can’t post them to discord (100mb limit)

[dusk holly]

u think u're clever doncha

[tender musk]

then make it a google drive link or unlisted on yt

there like 12 ways to make a quick video to post

[frozen saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/marin-kitagawa-marin-kitagawa-kitagawa-marin-sono-bisque-gif-24864118

[calm valley]

Ye I can do that

[flint lynx]

Rock very clever

[dusk holly]

the only thing clever about rock

is their overbite

[calm valley]

Won’t be this very instant but I can come back and post shortly once I get home

[frozen saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-gif-20709878

[dusk holly]

https://tenor.com/view/yumeko-kakegurui-sumeragi-gif-20193484

[frozen saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/waku-waku-anya-forger-spy-x-family-gif-25473182

[dusk holly]

ok the real secret sauce

Dorothy the wisher + tsuki

[calm valley]

@tender musk btw

Inferno nico clear

Only Lilly

So people are already finding alternatives

[tender musk]

need to see if it's auto'd or not

doesnt matter if it's not auto'd cause again, expecting players to manual 1.3k stam a day (well I guess f2p's can manual their like 20 runs in a day) is a bit unreasonable to expect if you want player retention vs just go to a diff game

[obsidian juniper]

Let's see what happens after another week

[tender musk]

if it is great ill give it a go and see how consistent it is and eat my words

[calm valley]

Oh so you move the goal post

Now you must be able to auto 1 week into game

Gotcha

[tender musk]

that's like a general goal post

for any gacha game

to be able to auto farm the dungeon

[sullen vale]

nah inferno must be full auto week 2

[tender musk]

name me 1 gacha where that isn't like the most important thing ppl give a shit about outside the first time reward

also bro that run where is it

cant see it

if he was autoing that consistently it'd be there no way he farmed like 1 time then stopped

[calm valley]

When summoners war first came out, no one completed gb10 in the first month, and when they did it was a 4 healer 1 dot unit

So it weird that’s what’s happening right now

[tender musk]

yes lets make our expectations for a game from a decade ago be what we accept as a new competitor in the space 💀

cause that's gonna get players excited and what they care about in their pvp gacha

[calm valley]

HSR people didn’t complete the first gear dungeon till week 6

[tender musk]

ya but HSR is a PVE game

that's the content

[calm valley]

E7 2 weeks for spenders

[tender musk]

that's why I dont complain about anisync

or ethernet rally

[obsidian juniper]

and not on week 5 or 10?

[tender musk]

cause that's MEANT to be difficult and hard to achieve pve content

[calm valley]

Sorry but which game let you beat the final tier dungeon on week one?

Full auto 100%

[sullen vale]

also people complain of pve comps but they just copy paste leaderboards

[frozen saddle]

Its week 2 btw

[calm valley]

As a f2p

[sullen vale]

«i can’t full auto with a manual team wtf dev? week 2? »

[tender musk]

but anyway u made ur point I stated mine a million times

[calm valley]

No no @tender musk give me 1 game as a f2p you were able to complete the end game dungeon on release

[obsidian juniper]

To be fair, this game has a severe coding issue

[tender musk]

we'll see what happens

im not gonna sit here and repeat myself the millionth time

lets just agree to disagree

otherwise im gonna get more toxic and that isnt my intention

[calm valley]

No you haven’t said fk all, you said I’m bad can’t do it, plz nerf

[dusk holly]

[calm valley]

So please delete post since you don’t want a discussion you want a echo chamber of whiners

[obsidian juniper]

With everything that's happened so far you'd think we were two years in

[tender musk]

it isnt my post

[frozen saddle]

So true

[calm valley]

I’m asking you to point an example of your fantasy world where you could beat content day 1 as f2p in any single game

Cause there is not a single one on record where this was possible

[sullen vale]

minecraft

[obsidian juniper]

I beat Whitney by making all my units attack her, and nearly beat Niconana the same with a random team

You can do it XD

[calm valley]

Weird that he has gone quiet

… so weird

Guess he googling games where people beat it week 1

😅😂😂😂

Can’t wait for him to come back with an example of a game that’s EOS’d cause there wasn’t any content after 1 week

[flint lynx]

I tried to warn you

[calm valley]

Guess what two new teams were found on EU

😅😂😂😂

[frozen saddle]

Eu just smarter tbh

[flint lynx]

It's the pronunciation of the Letter H

Gets us every time

[heavy trench]

Hell IV drops basically the same gear. The only noticable change is new sets

[whole anvil]

Inferno guarantee 3 set+ 1 new matrix,6/6 one

[heavy trench]

Tbf a lot of us were counting on Dot for Aurora and Terror

[heavy trench]

This was their intention though, farm the fuck out of hell to be able to clear Inferno

[heavy trench]

They don't guarantee 3 set bro

[whole anvil]

Really? I see pics auto that give all guarantee 3 set

[flint lynx]

And doom post number 324 about inferno being too hard...

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1383996389649809448

[heavy trench]

They still drop 2 set, I'm not sure if odds are different

I'm basing off of guildie reports

I farm Terror and Doki Inferno tomorrow after I reset to get Valerian skilled lol

[calm valley]

Yea it’s about 50 :50

[novel knoll]

you should see our doki inferno clears

[heavy trench]

So basically same as Hell IV which is what I thought

[calm valley]

It’s fine we have quite a few different teams

[novel knoll]

the drop rates of inferno are pretty bad considering the increased loot pool

[calm valley]

Mostly using the strong ass revelation

[heavy trench]

^^, and it's not a noticable increase in money too. Don't get me wrong, Inferno will lead to poweups but it's not as big as you think AND it will require some luck to get the right pieces especially for the damn shells

[novel knoll]

we had a few rilmo clears on day 1, so i cleared with massiah and now its just dominated by massiah+rev spam

[heavy trench]

I still don't have a single usable 3-matrix Shell after dumping 2-3k stam

[novel knoll]

oh trust me, im in that grind with you. Just gotta keep gambling for good rng

[calm valley]

I just personally haven’t tried it rilmocha can 1 shot both waves on hell I just been hard focusing for codex’s and revilation for ember track hard

[novel knoll]

ember hard is certainly interesting

[heavy trench]

High requirements. There's a few that are doing it but damn

[novel knoll]

for rilmo one shots?

[heavy trench]

Yup, you can see on leaderboard they have 1 min clears

[novel knoll]

yeah, its tough getting that gear to work

[heavy trench]

Right now it's a 5/5 Rilmocha with skillups on S1

[novel knoll]

the massiah one is easier 😉

[heavy trench]

We can copy that with new sets from Terror though

They also use Yang

For atk and crit bufd

And Codex Kazuyos

[calm valley]

Yea my rilmocha gear is quite good

But yea need the codex for kazyuo myself

So I do r need to rotate for skills

[heavy trench]

I'm personally caving and switching to Xiada LOL

[novel knoll]

yeah the yang buff is huge

[novel knoll]

crazy because im doing the same

im dropping the massiah comp and going into xiada

[heavy trench]

Whaaaat

My worry about Xiada is they nerf revelations but it seems so far they are hesitant to stir up another storm in the community. BUT, end of PvP season, it might be affected. Hopefully it's strictly in PvP that it's affected

[heavy trench]

Why switch from Massiah btw? Fastest clear rn is Massiah

Well, last I checked

[rough charm]

Is that with Revelation?

[novel knoll]

i was the first massiah clear on EU. Just kinda bored of it and want to use xiada, i feel like her potential to clear is faster but i could be straight up coping

[heavy trench]

I haven't checked actually

[calm valley]

That’s 108 days away you will have many different 6 stars by then

[novel knoll]

i did some testing yesterday with a low level xiada and her dmg was kinda crazy with no cc or debuffs

[tired sentinel]

Playing devils advocate here that team is super inconsistent that diting will die 9/10 times. He’s living on 1 hp half the fight and not getting target from the replay

[rough charm]

does anybody know what they're hotfixing?

[calm valley]

Dosnt matter they are getting closer to alternative teams

And we have been here for 1 day

[tired sentinel]

Never said there wasn’t gonna be alternative teams just saying it’s inconsistent

DoT is safer for now till a more consistent team is reached

[calm valley]

Dot is full manual tho

[tired sentinel]

There are some auto clears

[jagged star]

I auto with dot at around 8/10 success rate for both nico and hoyan

Terror is very inconsistent on dot but I might just khloros diting it

Undecided

[calm valley]

Codex’s I assume?

[jagged star]

Codex marvel for nico

Everyone else just needs to cycle fast

But I’m really curious on if the vero on codex can help with the diting inconsistency

Mine isn’t strong enough to try can’t get a 33 white fang

For Nico

[calm valley]

No idea? But we as a community can def get to auto teams by mid way through next month

For most people

Maybe not those that have bricked their account

[velvet swallow]

I believe I read c say that they're going to keep an eye on it, nerfs arent likely to happen rn, so for farming for the next few weeks at least should still be viable

[hallow citrus]

the gear on diting and kloross include those new sets tho, adding to the point that u still need dot to clear inferno

[hallow citrus]

im rather counting on boss nerfs rather than dot nerfs tbh

[hallow citrus]

my opinion is if they dont want u to be able to clear inferno at that stage yet then just lock it behind 55 and 60 instead of 50 and 55 or later. Rn its way too restrictive imo

[calm valley]

this team no shadow sania works

this is not restrictive

most if not every player re-rolled or spent to get lilly so this is highly acchievable for most players

[lunar current]

That is a really really bad statement. A lot of us dont have lily at all.

But it is good to know that fangus can do it too

[distant dragon]

its a gacha game - you're supposed to deal with what you've got not cry that you dont have everything

[full haven]

Wait till all the f2p reach inferno next week after the 2x event

[calm valley]

what do you mean like maybe 60% of the accounts i have helped in VC get into hell 4 mode, have had either a shadow sania or a lily based on the re-roll

[lunar current]

The statement that most of players have lily in the account, that is just wrong

[calm valley]

most do tho

not all but most

[earnest monolith]

I think it's a bit overstated but the "bubble" we're in

[lunar current]

100% overstated

Unless you rerolled for lily it is not most at all

Well, unless to spent like 4k on release lol

[earnest monolith]

Most players are not on Discord or checking any of this stuff. Definitely not rerolling a bunch of accounts.

[calm valley]

there also not the ones he whinning about the game being hard

they also arent max refreshing all day

so they arent even at inferno

[earnest monolith]

true, but once they get there if there are no changes it's going to be even worst for them

[calm valley]

by the time they get there in 40 days we will have f2p options for them to complete it

since it takes 54 days to get to inferno without refreshing

[earnest monolith]

for shells honestly inferno doesn't seem to make much of a difference. On gear it has the extra set and my feeling is that the jump is too pronounced?

like you can three star the previous difficulty and then have 0 shot at inferno

[calm valley]

no they opened the doors to inferno way to fast

[earnest monolith]

so it feels "weird"

[lunar current]

it is 20 extra speed, how it doesnt make a difference?

[calm valley]

this wouldnt be an issue if inferno was locked till lvl 60

people would have had a chance to actually 6 star their entire team

[earnest monolith]

oh nvm yeah you're right

[lunar current]

I think the issue is not just 6* stuff, it is that there are some bosses that are overtunned. We needed a middleground between beta and now

[calm valley]

oh agreed a like 10% hp reduction would be nice

but they are asking for beta levels of difficulty

where 5 star SRs were clearing inferno

[lunar current]

for example, for nico nana they need to reduce her speed, so that it is not impossible to damage it at all

Yeah, beta was really easy and now it is impossible lol

[calm valley]

or increasing the scaling on the damage but keep her speed the same

rather than making her weak

[lunar current]

I thought it had to be harder too, but not like that

[calm valley]

give you more for having more speed

[wet charm]

5* teams are still clearing inferno it's just that now it needs to be lili + ssania

[lunar current]

Problem is that if they do that you either one shot or dot, but if they reduce the speed you have a bit more freedom in the team comps

[calm valley]

there are non ssania teams doing it tho, at 6 star

[lunar current]

Dont even need to be lily+sania, it can be 3 dots + valerian for example

all 5*

Problem is that the normal damage teams cant kill it

Maybe with 3 codex + a rosa I guess

[calm valley]

they can tho, there are so far 6 teams that can do it

[wet charm]

on hoyan inferno ?

[calm valley]

however requires Lilly due to her being the only unit that really gives speed buf

so give speed buff to another unit or two and we fine

[lunar current]

I think mio can be used there too since she will help with turn meter control and freeze the add with buff

[subtle sphinx]

Can we create a thread for other teams or something this would be helpful

[calm valley]

we could absolutely but the teams just get downvoted because "i dont have those units"

[lunar current]

It is just that lily is really really good at that job, so it is tricky

[obsidian juniper]

😅 then everything should be down voted going on that logic

[calm valley]

this is what they do

they want everything nerfed so they, with their 2 SSRs

[subtle sphinx]

Can I dm you

[calm valley]

im hanging in vc almost everyday but yea sure

[subtle sphinx]

Sent friend request

[hallow citrus]

thats good, but thats only for one inferno stage, i dont think this would work in terrormaton for example. Also probably takes twice as long to clear

[hallow citrus]

thats exactly what i said in the message u replied to

[calm valley]

yea i was agreeing

[jolly locust]

My friend, ever heard of the word “challenge”

Whats the point of inferno difficulty if we can clear it within the second week of the game being released

Dont you realize that you have a long way to go in this game

The game’s pve is already rushed enough, which is good so we can focus on the fun part (pvp), but that doesnt mean we kill pve entirely

[hallow citrus]

ahh makes sense I thought the team was an argument against nvm then

[glad tide]

That’s not the point—on Shell Inferno, you have to pull Shadow Sania. Without her, you don’t even stand a chance at winning.

[storm sphinx]

What you mean challenge??? S Sania can clear with basic gear due to DoT nature is locking inferno clears behind two 0.25% L/D pulls that have no targeted banner challenging for you? OK.

[lunar current]

Got her today and I can magically farm it with 5* sania and 5* obol

But at least it can be done without lily

[glad tide]

At least release banner pls lol

[turbid nexus]

i believe this really leads to lack of creativity and forces players to metaslave. A game wont feel good if its all about having 2 essential characters in order to progress and not feel shit

[shadow loom]

Hopefully they dont show up tomorrow and said it is critical bug that you can use dot to ignore the mechanics

[jolly locust]

Sure then build the dot team everyone wanted to reset just because aurora can no longer get dots

Sacrifice all of your good pulls and reroll until you get her

[lunar current]

That is not even meta slaving, it is more like bricking the account if you dont get lucky with pulls

[jolly locust]

You either have it challenging or go easy mode and make everything else challenging

[lunar current]

Cant really go challenging mode to be honest

[uncut lichen]

i dont have a lily and i cannot clear half the stuff others are steamm rolling

[lunar current]

I am in the same state as you

Need to see if I can do terror with a dot team without lily

[uncut lichen]

would be very hard

lily basically gives 2 sania dots cuz dual attack

i was thinkinh about it but theres some hope for non dot users

theres 2 fast auto clears with diting khloros veronica dinah and freya

[lunar current]

got no veronika, so need to go the dot way

[uncut lichen]

all the best, do post your findings if you find sucess (i need help ;-;)

[lucid crest]

Tower should be challenging tbh. But farming stages should be generally medium difficulty

[jolly locust]

It is medium difficulty, we’re just two weeks into the game

[lucid crest]

And?

Sw you can clear the last farming stage in a week

[jolly locust]

Im not worrying about it, when its time i will finish it

[lucid crest]

But just cause you don’t doesn’t mean others shouldn’t

[jolly locust]

Just because other games let you beat it in two seconds, doesnt mean that this game should

[lucid crest]

It’s the main competition

Their whole game was launch with an esports tournament

[jolly locust]

Best thing about pvp is the limitation

[lucid crest]

It’s limited anyways

You’re capped on farming

[jolly locust]

Some go for cheesy farm with bad characters

And some hold the selecter for the best

Whose gonna beat me with inferno gear while playing with shadow sania

[lucid crest]

Look at the thread

The thread is talking about how inferno is revolving around Lily ssania

[jolly locust]

Look at my whole discussion and you will know why it got to this point

[distant dragon]

built every unit and tried every combination of teams have you?

[brisk locust]

True, the guy above massacres the inferno modes with a 4* Sania with shit stats for 2 more months. If normal builds cant clear it by then (they'll farm them a few thousand times at that point) ww finally do something.

[frozen saddle]

Why are yellow shells a thing in inferno

its already hard enuf 😭

but to be gated by shit rng is craaaazy

[bleak geyser]

is the sania dot teams for naco and shadowflame no longer works? I have the same stats that is in the recent clears and no way able to win....seems like those tams are outdated for infero?

[vestal dock]

what team do you auto it with

[frozen saddle]

dots

[vestal dock]

hmmm idk if I can clear on auto lmao

[frozen saddle]

its inconsistent af

tbh

[vestal dock]

ah thought it was fine seeing that 4/1

[frozen saddle]

i need more alicorns

[frozen saddle]

nah its just if they get resisted and if they get stunned

[vestal dock]

I run Lingluo for immunity heh

[frozen saddle]

thats the rng rn

[lucid crest]

are you on manual?

[summer cosmos]

The little adds love stunning Sania and then you're cooked if you don't have an Alicorn on her

[bleak geyser]

@lucid crest yes on manual...no way the Dots with the stats that the recent clear is fails not even close to half health on manual

[lucid crest]

are you resetting ssania s2?

[bleak geyser]

yes :/

[frozen saddle]

yeaea

[bleak geyser]

are you having success manually?

right now..

[frozen saddle]

manual? im too lazy i just auto, if it cant auto i go back to gear farm to make it auto 😂

[vestal dock]

hmmm did an attempt in auto

was succesful and got this

[frozen saddle]

wtffffffff

why do i get yellows

and u get that

tf

[vestal dock]

is my second 3/3/3 white fang

had this one earlier today

[frozen saddle]

did u bribe the company O.o

luckyyy

[vestal dock]

yeah I used my glug glug 3000

https://tenor.com/view/hoshi-gulp-hoshi-drink-seventeen-gulp-seventeen-drink-svt-drink-gif-11047448756070509598

[summer cosmos]

That's actually crazy.

Where's mine game? 🤣

[vestal dock]

kinda feels odd that shadow sania on auto starts with W

should start with atleast 1x basic

[frozen saddle]

yea i think ai broke

[vestal dock]

then W then E

[glossy kayak]

So this means that we get to have like 3 sets of module equipped on one unit?

[vestal dock]

yes

you can have 12-8-6 / 8-8-6

[glossy kayak]

Now that's fun but the grinding aspect ain't fun especially if you're looking for specific ones.

[frozen saddle]

yea especially when inferno still drops yellow./...

[vestal dock]

and 8-8-8 as well but unsure if the 3rd matrix slot can be a "normal" matrix

[glossy kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/severance-true-helly-throw-mark-s-gif-5365608551541967950

excuse me? it still drops yellow rarity?!

[glossy kayak]

Oh I thought it was the module😭
I got confused and sad for a sec

[desert thistle]

i would stop trying dude, people are just gonna complain no matter what

[rough charm]

I mentioned ot before they're offsetting the XP they give you

the yellow shells are like lower tier modules they all only exist to scrap for mats

[frozen saddle]

they should at least drop 2 per run then

cuz like 10 stam for a scrap

[fathom vine]

i’m almost level 50 soon can u help me make a team much love

[frozen saddle]

ughhhhh

[frozen saddle]

just got one too

[vestal dock]

niceee

[obsidian juniper]

Cool

[vestal dock]

another one @frozen saddle

no idea if it's any good I think either Colosguard instead of swiftsmite or strive instead of bramble would've been better

but love seeing it

so I'm pretty certain when you roll a shell with 3x matrix it will always be 3/3/3 or did anyone else see a matrix with 3 and not 3/3/3

[desert thistle]

just cleared inferno without Messiah, diting, SSania, khloros or Veronica

just so you see theres other comps out there

this was on auto with scuff gear

[vestal dock]

cool team mind sharing prowess levels?

[quartz heron]

oh nice, was the idea to spam holden s2 on the boss and remove its cooldown?

I assume holden's s2 is maxed

[slender jasper]

The reason why dot functions is sania lol

[frozen saddle]

found his team

max duped holden

[slender jasper]

Not fangus or obol

[frozen saddle]

4 dupe helkid

[clear minnow]

How dare you build someone else other than S Sania and Lily and try different comps and builds and get creative.

But fr gg.

[frozen saddle]

his gear if anyone curious

[desert thistle]

i can share my stats if people want

ill post everything

nevermind

[quartz heron]

triple artisan is sick with cd reducers

[desert thistle]

rock did it lmao

@frozen saddle thank you

[frozen saddle]

npnp

[desert thistle]

ok i am planning to do changes

this was like the first scuff setup to see if it clears

not consistency

im thinking of going codex for hellkid for a double ult early

[quartz heron]

who did you use cachi on

[frozen saddle]

it worked so gratz, proved everyone wrong about only meta can clear inferno

[desert thistle]

or maybe a 4th artisan

[quartz heron]

hellkid or holden

[brisk locust]

Truly, 5 min clear with max dupe chars really proved them wrong.

[desert thistle]

that was my goal, i own ssania, veronica, lilly, messiah and im not building them just to test and prove other stuff exist

[frozen saddle]

if it works it works

[desert thistle]

you dont need max duped holden

[slender jasper]

I mean even still I heard people mention using helkid cachi

[desert thistle]

i did it because i like counterattack units

[slender jasper]

But

[desert thistle]

so i was excited

and hellkid the game just kept giving to me

the skills are whats important

[slender jasper]

Ideally nice bruiser comp

[frozen saddle]

@brisk locust dupes dont really matter in pve

[quartz heron]

during a buff event 1000 stamina of a 5 minute clears takes 8 hours. That's if you didn't save any stabilizers.

I think inferno is a bit overtuned, it's impractical to farm it with anything but dot.

[desert thistle]

i mean this is with non optimized gear give it a bit of time

[brisk locust]

Dont try, let roku keep his 40s 4 star ssania clear. No point arguing.

[desert thistle]

my holden is not built like i want to have him built yet

so i know he can be doing more dmg, same with hellkid

[frozen saddle]

? mines not 4 star thjo

and i didnt even beat inferno yetr

so...

[desert thistle]

once my hellkid gets faster i can maybe get away with another bruiser for a faster clear

tons of upgrades i want to do

[slender jasper]

You get the optimized gear from farming inferno that’s the problem and inferno shells

[frozen saddle]

no u farm hell 4

for the 3 matrixes

[desert thistle]

you farm hell 4

im just hard headed

[quartz heron]

I have 45 stabilisers, across 2 days using 1000 stamina carry over I will have around 5000 stamina.

If we cut the time to 4 minutes it will take 33 hours out of 48

[desert thistle]

and wanted to skip hell 4 but i farmed a bit of doki doki hell 4 for like 2 days

[quartz heron]

and you know, people sleep, and do other things besides resetting a run

[tawdry snow]

LMAO "here look at this random team i cleared with, IN 5 MINUTES" Team duped to the teeth

[frozen saddle]

the dupes dont matter tho

[quartz heron]

the dupes don't matter in this case, it's true

you are overshielding the damage

[obsidian juniper]

Dupes are extra stats, that's really all there is

[slender jasper]

Every single person that has cleared inferno is a whale

For now

But

Dupes barely matter

[tawdry snow]

If my main dps is fully duped, im clearing ~ 10% faster (minimum). So thats a ~7 min clear without a fully duped holen

[tender berry]

oh boy this thread is just circles of arguments lol

[slender jasper]

I don’t think it’s practical to farm manually for hours a day

[obsidian juniper]

Another one for the bin, eh?

[brisk locust]

Just close it, Etheria Restart style of ignoring glaring problems.

[frozen saddle]

well only whales max refresh everyday tho imo

[slender jasper]

For 5 minutes at that

[quartz heron]

can you remove slowmode from etheria chat? It's no longer spammed, but there were liek 30 people asking questions and noone is going to bother answering them with a 15 minute slowmode.

[tawdry snow]

This is a non argument though. Yes, only whales are experiencing inferno atm. Non spam refreshers will reach inferno next week probably, and they gonna have the same issues

[frozen saddle]

no i mean we farmed more prep than f2p rn

farmed more shells and gear

to prepare for inferno

[obsidian juniper]

At least we can choose targets during auto huh

[slender jasper]

I’ll eat an entire shoe if a f2p player beats inferno next week

[desert thistle]

it wasnt manual it was auto i swear

[slender jasper]

It was auto?

[desert thistle]

look my buddy is working on a F2P version of the comp

hes gonna be going in my direction hes just a few days behind

[quartz heron]

inferno doki for sure

[desert thistle]

if we give it a bit of time people are building it and getting there

[quartz heron]

now the other ones...

[tawdry snow]

As someone who played sw during its first year and e7 at close to launch, this is just funny to me. Clearing gb10 was so ez compared to whatever this is, same as wyvern in e7, but well, different game

[slender jasper]

I guess I’ll live to eat shoes then

[rustic moss]

why are you lyin

our gb 10 teams were taking 30 days go ask sei

[slender jasper]

Idk about sw but in e7 it was never this hard

[zealous moon]

it took time, but you could still clear, unlike here

[vestal dock]

what is gb 10

[zealous moon]

an acronym for one of highest difficulty dungeon, equivalent of terra inferno

[vestal dock]

but for what game?

SW?

[slender jasper]

Yh

[zealous moon]

summoners war, giants b 12

[vestal dock]

aah nice nice

never tried sw ahah

[late tulip]

These problems that could easily be solved if addressed early aren't going to blow up into massive embarrassing PR nightmares on their own

Gotta kick the can down the road until they become disasters

[brisk locust]

Obviously. Now one week of silence from them then a bandaid and its all good.

[fathom vine]

the great wall of china tech from zeebo

[fathom vine]

wait while you are here can you please check the thread where people want to be able to equip or switch gear inside the battle and not on the outside only

[tender berry]

yo LMFAO

[tender berry]

what... that's not gonna happen

[fathom vine]

is that a bad idea? when people go into each separate threshold or grim pursuit or whatever domain, they have different teams, how come changing gear inside before we start the match is bad 😮

im just curious of the downsides, i feel as though that is a very normal thing to do

[late tulip]

I think c is reading that as in "change gear during the fight"? That's the only way I can read that to warrant such a strong response against it. Having to go through a dozen screens bc one unit is missing one piece is such bad UX

[fathom vine]

it is this one i am talking about https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1381253408924893215, i tagged him here but he never responded @tender berry

im just hoping they look at other feedback and not only when it requires like 500 messages with blairing controversy all over reddit and all CC's have to jump in 😭

to be fair most CC's i talked to on twitch want this feature 😄

[late tulip]

Yea I've seen this idea posted several times now. But I do fear they're going to prioritize things only when they blow up and CCs start calling them out :\

[graceful loom]

Hi guys

Should I get Kloros or hellkid?

From selector

[vestal dock]

Both are nice to have, think hellkid has more use in pvp idk about khloros

[late tulip]

👉 #etheria-only-chat

[flint lynx]

So you can recycle them for training data and reconfigure chips

[quartz heron]

ngl it's better to get yellows. You will get more training data instead of saving 20124 shells just in case you will need to level 3 gigabytes

/j but fr, feel like I should recycle most of the reds but I still want to keep 11 of each just in case

[flint lynx]

Honestly.. my method with them is anything that has 1 matrix in any of the slots get tossed. I only keep 2/3 or 3/3

[quartz heron]

yeah, but you need 11 to level

so you need fodder

[flint lynx]

Oh i fodder like a mad woman

I'm meticulous with it.

[quartz heron]

right now I am keeping 11 of each shell so I can level it to max if needed

[flint lynx]

I want to work on one of every matrix combinations. So that I have the right one for when I need it.

[tender berry]

I’m gonna have to continue analyzing these thoughts. It’s still slightly too early to suggest something. As someone else said, it makes sense they buffed it as in the beta it was pretty damn easy to do it with srs and imperfect gear, and it shouldn’t really be expected to be that simple as it’s the endgame farm. I believe there’s likely a better middle ground solution here if people don’t find other strategies soon.

[umbral thunder]

I mean these are whales tackling the content so far. F2Ps are around 45-47 right now, Is the sentiment going to be that F2P/Light spenders just arent allowed to farm inferno gear?

[quartz heron]

I think it would feel better if it was buffed but locked behind level 60, but the ship has sailed I guess

so we would have more time to farm hell instead of feeling bad as we have a good stage unlocked but have to farm a suboptimal one

it's mostly an irrational perception which makes people angry, when some people can farm it and a lot simply can't and have to resort to wellfare hell 4

[tender berry]

yeah it’s still too soon, but I’m feeling the complaints

just need to give it a little more time as said in the other thread

[umbral thunder]

Like I said when discussing this with guild, I think the damage and added mechanics are fine. Whats not fine is the amount of raw HP that the bosses have, which forces you into using DoT teams in a lot of scenarios because its literally %HP true damage and other comps cant kill it, even with perfect gear. And if we decide to wait and see what happens, or if people decide to build up tank teams over time to clear these bosses, theyre still just gonna fall massively behind compared to people who pulled s sania and lily and were able to quickly pivot to DoT

[fluid hedge]

i absolutly agree with ur thoughts of that who simply does not own sania, are going to be behind in every aspect of the game and its gonna feel like sht. I have been watching my friend who has ridiculously geared Rosa comp struggling in that fight for 7 minutes because his only way to deal dmg is via Revelation, ended up dying on 20% ish and when u compared it to 0 investment Sania comps, it feels like spit in the face fr. I own sania and i think this is utterly unfair.. cant propose any solution cuz i dont have any, nerfing stuff is not a solution but this current way of clearing inferno is just wrong

[rough charm]

May not be the correct topic but how does the team feel about re evaluating bosses having scaling rage mechanics?

[umbral thunder]

This alongside other mistakes that have been made within the past week is going to cause whales to become more hesitant to financially support the game as the trust between developer and player continues to drift, myself included.

[tender berry]

I'm not the team

idk how they feel about it

the devs i mean

[lavish trench]

holy wakamole

[humble sparrow]

I’m sure a lot of people don’t mind content being harder, the issue is that recent changes are leading people to believe that the devs want to take options away from the players which would incentivize spending to pull for specific units. Taking aurora as the example essentially one entire method (DoTs) out of the equation for aurora now. I think this is also reason why people posted a lot of “RIP diting” pictures and memes as people at this point probably wouldn’t be surprised (tho obviously angry) if devs “hot fixed diting” or aka nerf him into the ground

[lavish trench]

that´s a used car lol

[sly stream]

Pretty much can't get excited over 80% of SSR pulls because of this ^^

It's like oh cool....never gonna use it

[stray vortex]

Can we have a new top clear list but with different formations? Maybe someone has found the solution but no one will know between the 99 clears of ssania that takes over all the logs

[full halo]

like the fastest of each unique team composition

and then the team compositions are ordered from fastest to slowest

[tender berry]

yeah I wish the list was just longer so you could see more

[stray vortex]

Exactly

[sly stream]

Yep I've seen another game do this

[obsidian juniper]

That's a good solution

[sly stream]

It takes the top clear per formation so all those 50 s sania's + lily would effectively only show up once from the player with the fastest time

[obsidian juniper]

On the other hand we're not deep into the game's life cycle to have completely experimented with virtually every comp

[tender berry]

Yeah why I wanna give it a little bit more time and I hope people are more patient too

[humble sparrow]

Or probably change it (or add new dropdown option) that shows only teams that AUTO. A lot of top teams can/are either manual speed runs or just done manually. If people can filter teams that actually auto (aka know that this team can auto) would probably be another option

[tender berry]

but ofc people are gonna feel entitled to it and expect perfection or immediate change bc they complained

[humble sparrow]

This also wouldn’t be a hard change either

Add a true/false flag when auto is pressed then filter the same way as current except with additional check of the flag

[obsidian juniper]

Week 3: I missed out on 2x event, EOS

[daring terrace]

players are going to hit the inferno wall and quit, guarantee it

[tender berry]

locked this thread to focus more on the other duplicate one

[tender berry]

this is for sure a concern

gotta feel it out rn, and there's been a lot of discussion in the other thread

[tender berry]

Let's talk about Inferno - go to the other thread thx - c