SSania guide

[boreal briar]

But it's up to you I guess

[shell dew]

I dont really mind aobut time as long as it is consistently on auto

concistency is prob more important for me

[boreal briar]

You're not farming inferno without having farmed some Hell IV imo

[shell dew]

wait we talking shells right?

[boreal briar]

You need modules too

[shell dew]

I know I have farmed like a decent amount

[boreal briar]

The only difference between Hell IV and Inferno is that it drops the extra 6 pc matrix stuff

[shell dew]

like 3-5k stam in 2x event

[boreal briar]

Otherwise no diff

[shell dew]

and I want to farm revelation infrno and I do think i got the modules for it now. so I need help with the build and team

[boreal briar]

The team is just stunner fangus SSania Valerian

You can try to replace it with Celince

I don't how well Celince works

[viral canopy]

Is Codex(Shell) on S Sania not really viable as what on prydwen guide set? It has 8 turn cd and only reset skill at a time.

[boreal briar]

Why is it not viable?

[viral canopy]

Given it's long cooldown per use, and can I confirm if the inferno only takes a few turns using DOT?

[boreal briar]

Codex is used almost everywhere

And nobody cares about the cooldown

It's to get double of the same skill

SSania can use codex but I prefer defensive ones

You use codex because you abuse the AI for SSania

You get to S2 twice so you delay the S3

Since the AI goes S2 > S3 > S1 > S2 when cooldown is off > S3 when cooldown is off

Inserting another S2 delays the S3 so you can apply more DoT before detonating

[spare birch]

Is codex better if i don’t have lily or shud i go for artisan build?

[boreal briar]

I don't know how no Lily builds work

Sorry

[cinder cargo]

codex is much better with lily and pretty sure with no lily you don't want to run codex

[spare birch]

So should i go for artisan?

[cinder cargo]

100%

[spare birch]

Swift/Bramble or Unbreakable/Bramble?

[cinder cargo]

#1384714748712583168 message

use this as your guide for sets and stats

[viral canopy]

AI means auto right? if that is correct then using codex on auto benefits that kind of way to play inferno

[viral canopy]

for now i had this codex designed for s sania. I had lily on my arsenal but using artisan for added defense that's why my lily is def main than HP

[trail mauve]

freya with swiftrush and timeweaver can skip a slot of effect acc and get more hp%?

[trail oracle]

Looks like some inferno stages will get nerfed

Where inferno hoyan nerfs

[zealous herald]

Bramble does not work. Lily does a basic attack so the follow up attack doesn’t proc

[boreal briar]

It doesn't? Everyone I've asked said it does

[boreal briar]

Aurora nerf when

It's still the only Inferno I can't reliably farm

[zealous herald]

I can prove it.
After bramble procs on lily, a BASIC attack occurs. This basic attack does not trigger the follow up attack either the unit that has Lily’s S2 buff

[boreal briar]

Do you have a video of it?

[thorny plinth]

Yeah i can confirm as well that bramble when proced doesnt proc whoever has lilys s2. I think it might be a bug.

[boreal briar]

Cause people said it proc before the last patch

So maybe it's a bug?

[cinder cargo]

follow up attack doesn't proc but your twin ally still gets + turn meter %

so it's still good

[thorny plinth]

still good yeah but still a bug.

[cinder cargo]

not sure if it's a bug, there's couple of other things that act the same way such as twin ally + battlewill, seems like it's lily's fua cannot chain with another followup/counter

like when lily fua happens, battlewill will never proc

[thorny plinth]

Well if you dont consider it a bug its still incorrect based on the wording of the skill (for all cases).

[zealous herald]

I don’t think it’s a bug. The text on bramble states “counter attack with a basic attack”
So you can assume that that means S1 minus the effects

Only other way is to test if another unit has bramble proc, do their effects on their S1 activate

[thorny plinth]

I would agree if it didnt increase the turn meter. So it does half the affect of s1 but not the other half

[zealous herald]

I see what you’re saying. Let me check and report back. Gunna 1x a run

No twin follow up attack AND no turn meter increase

[shell dew]

hey are u able to clear hoyan?

If anyone can help me

[thorny plinth]

Okay then yeah it makes sense and im fine with it.

[thorny plinth]

like inferno?

[shell dew]

ye inferno hoyan specifically

cant beat it

[zealous herald]

You have an excess amount of eff acc that you could apply to other areas

[shell dew]

I changed it now, I need help with celine build

[torn vapor]

If i dont have hoyan i can not do inferno?

[thorny plinth]

Wait does that also mean bramble doesnt work on SSania?

[zealous herald]

Shoot, let me check if she adds DOT on bramble art

[thorny plinth]

Yeah i was just thinking about this. Guessing she wont (which would follow the bramble rules)

[zealous herald]

So far in theory

Okay it’s bugged

[thorny plinth]

She added the dots?

[zealous herald]

Her bramble does add DOTS

[thorny plinth]

LMAO

[trail oracle]

If we follow epic seven's dual attack mechanics which is similar to ERs assist mechanic, dual attacks only proc on units turn, cannot proc on counter hit.

[zealous herald]

They are trying to hide how broken Lily on bramble is

[thorny plinth]

Yeah waffles i would agree but it doesnt work on lily s1 and works on dots for ssania which doesnt follow that rule.

[trail oracle]

Because ssanias s1 is a debuff on s1 hit

Lily's s1 is assist which can only proc on turn

Different things

[zealous herald]

Nah waffles we were discussing how when Lily’s bramble procs it doesn’t activate the S1 effect (No turn meter increase on lowest turn ally and no follow up attack)
BUT when Ssania bramble procs it still adds S1 effect.

Non of lilys S1 ability procs all she does is “basic attack”

[trail oracle]

I think they should just add clarification with it, I understand the confusion but it makes sense when you played games like E7 and SW

[zealous herald]

So debuffs are added but not effects?

[trail oracle]

Let me read lily's kit

Yeah, they just need to clarify if it will work or not

[zealous herald]

The skill itself states “allies with twin trick have % chance to support”

It looks like they have picked and chosen which skills will proc which ability

[trail oracle]

Coz in e7 dual attacks does not proc when a unit with assist ability counter hits a target

I think they were following that mechanic

[untold widget]

You will replace her anyways in inferno cuz you have to dispel the boss, and freya cant do that

[trail oracle]

Just need clarification

[zealous herald]

Who else has a follow up attack in their kit? No one?

[trail oracle]

No one for now

[zealous herald]

So this rule only applies to Lily

But then why not allow for the turn increase

[trail oracle]

Yeah, but even if there is no dual attack, it should boost twin trick to 20% even without assist since it is binded by S1

[zealous herald]

Exactly

But it doesn’t do that either

[thorny plinth]

Actually can Fangus trigger from a bramble attack?

[zealous herald]

Bramble will trigger his passive ALONG with another attack from bramble

Wait I read what you said wrong by

[trail oracle]

They should really add clarifications with extra attack procs like e7

[zealous herald]

Let me huff fang and see if he adds a debuff

Well he can’t cause Lily won’t bramble him

[thorny plinth]

or if he just attacks from anyone using bramble

[untold widget]

And bramble can triger lily assist if she counters?

[trail oracle]

It doesn't

[zealous herald]

No

[trail oracle]

That would be too broken in general

[untold widget]

Ok

[zealous herald]

That’s what we’re discussing. Her bramble ONLY makes her attack, you don’t get any effects

[untold widget]

Fun, you mean kekw

Not even the push?

[trail oracle]

Nope

[untold widget]

F

[zealous herald]

ANY effects

[untold widget]

Btw did you guys saw the new p2w unit thwt powercrept any def down unit so far?

What were they thinking smh

[zealous herald]

Wrong chat

[untold widget]

True mb i just had to say it xD

[trail oracle]

I think the resist proc on bosses are bugged, I think if we fail to land the % chance of the debuffs it triggers the resist proc

Coz aint no way 10% resist happens more often than it is

Or they should show how many resistance the boss has like e7

[rustic moth]

but the question is does she proc the meter push

I just run mine on pure spd but it's something I've been thinkin about

[zealous herald]

I’m on Car_6 video. And it does proc turn meter at 50/50.
just doesn’t do follow up attack with twin buff

[rustic moth]

[patent pivot]

anyone have an auto inferno hoyan strat?

[rustic moth]

#1384401108663013496 message

oop, misread

[patent pivot]

[rustic moth]

but you should be able to just throw diting hoyan kloss/dinah val + buffs

[patent pivot]

lookin for a consistent setup to auto inferno hoyan.. my current strat is just ... obol fangus ssania with codex and hope to god it clears lol

[trail oracle]

Same, I have decent gears and bulk, my problem lies with not landing enough dots

[trail mauve]

jackie vs halloween on dorothy thoughs? halloween better?

[lofty thunder]

anyone help?

[dire moth]

think this is what it looks like 4 every1

[pure phoenix]

We have different S requirements cards but I keep getting Chiaki cards and owned cards

[pure phoenix]

Should I switch my Ssania to Amber @dire moth (Currently I use her with black fang)

[dire moth]

for what content

cause they about to fix amber <<< from proccing when u have stuff like hazy dream up

[pure phoenix]

Ahh so should I go for other shell?

[dire moth]

means amber is gonna be good

[pure phoenix]

They fix where you can defy death with amber right?

So I can still Use Amber right or should I go for Law of Silence?

[dire moth]

idk about this

[stoic lintel]

Quick question, is it possible to run DOT in inferno rengokutsu

[pure phoenix]

This was what I saw

[dire moth]

celince specific

[stoic lintel]

Ohhh

[dire moth]

its over for u u abuser

[stoic lintel]

U need to apply the forgetfulness?

[dire moth]

jk

[dire moth]

yeah makes him lose his passive

[stoic lintel]

Is it worth it? I don’t have her built but I have ssania fangha obol built out

[dire moth]

when i get her i plan to build her and ill let u know

[stoic lintel]

[empty jewel]

Is sania good for shadowflame hoyan?

[dire moth]

yeah but need CC for Ads

[pure phoenix]

Zamn Inferno is just a trick to let you think you get 3-3-3 but in the end there is a chance to get Epic shells in there

[empty jewel]

I have kazuyo

[empty jewel]

Freyas kinda bad in shadowflame...

[prisma sapphire]

can i "replace" lily with tsukiyo mi? its the closest i got

[stoic lintel]

hmm i am trying to land the forgestfulness on rengokutsu but i dont think its possible

[dire moth]

maybe they patch I’ll 5-5-5 her and tell u when I get her

[ocean raven]

Hmm this team can auto inferno

Failure depends on RNG, 1. failure to strip immunity, 2. DOT get resisted

[empty jewel]

Having a hard time beating terror hell 3 constantly

[ocean raven]

Lily speed too low, and she dont need eff acc unless its pvp

[empty jewel]

Ah thanks. Kinda hard to increase her speed while keeping it lower than another unit for other content

What main stat does lily want?

[pure phoenix]

Where is my lily

[ocean raven]

Probably 2x HP 1x Def or 3x HP

[empty jewel]

Thanks 👍

[dire moth]

at work

[empty jewel]

What's sanias best shell again?

[somber island]

if lily, codex or artison, if no lily, gigabyte

[empty jewel]

Thanks.

Welp, can't beat rengokutsu

[shell dew]

People saying yeli is broken is it true

[dire moth]

Don’t own so can’t tell u

[shell dew]

Any big changes for this maintenance btw

[dire moth]

Just check patch notes

[sleek ivy]

i keep failing NicoNana Inferno because of the constant stun.
but sometimes i'm makeing it 10/10.
i use SSania / Lily / Linglou / Valrian
any suggestions to make my runs more consistant?

[thorny tree]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1387335916624019527

could anyone help me out there 😭

[slate rain]

auto or manual?

[trail oracle]

I just woke up to a maintenance

[silver patrol]

Is there a Doki Doki guide with SSania for inferno/H4?

[flat hamlet]

I can do auto Inferno niconana 100% WR , i use the sania , Lily , fangus ,& Valerian team and even when fangus get the attack buff from Valerian and Lily use twin trick on him ( what i have to solve ) they still can do It 10-0

[inland terrace]

lower Fangus' attack.

[white arrow]

I already made rhe choice to pull holden BUT Viper basicly do the same woth purple maths? Should i let go holden and forget the 80 waste pull?

[inland terrace]

Lily buffs the highest attacking unit, and since you have Vale, she bubbles at the start which means Fangus gets a big atk buff

[flat hamlet]

Yep i know It , um Just seeing How ill do this the best way

[inland terrace]

lvl1 helmet

[flat hamlet]

If ill put a attack passive on the pet or ill reduce the helmet lvl

[flat hamlet]

Yeah im thinking on It for sure

[white arrow]

? ?

[shell dew]

so my team with ssania lily valerian celine is kinda incosistent for hoyan, is there one that get 100% winrate?

[sleek ivy]

auto

[glass dust]

mh my team is ssania, fungus, lily, valerian usually and I fail a lot during continuous, which 6* upgrade is gonna make them a bit more consistent?

already did the lily

[trail oracle]

Just sharing some speed tuning with celince that I've experimented for inferno hoyan auto with slightly higher winrate than full speed lily team

-CC unit Celince 245 speed to overtake hoyan landing forgetfulness and atk down (this will help you survive the whole run and land enough dots)
-Lily should be slower than your CC unit
-Ssania and Fangus slower than lily ofc

This makes sure that before hitting hoyan, you already have CC on the ads negating the counter hits and giving stacks to hoyan for the first turn. This should buy time to land enough dots and kill hoyan.

Only fail rate I've observed on this is when celince doesn't land forgetfulness on both ads, I'm considering upgrading S3 to lvl 3 for more consistency

[rotund flicker]

i just got ssania whats a good dot team, i dont have lily, i do have freya and my fangus is maxed skill on all skills

[trail oracle]

Dorothy the wisher is a good sub for lily

Freya can work too

[rotund flicker]

so how wld my 4/5 squad look like

[trail oracle]

What team is this for?

[rotund flicker]

these are the units i have

[rotund flicker]

preferably to grind terror/aroura and shells

want something more consistent that diting cuz im lacking a lily to make diting super viable

[trail oracle]

You could go Ssania, Fangus, Freya, Val for 4 man team

You can also check the pinned post for other alternatives

[rotund flicker]

does freya need a specific module and shell to function

or any skill investments

[slate rain]

i did cachi guard, lingluo, lily, ssania

skill 1 max SSania and lily. other no need up skill

but its not fast

[trail oracle]

Just make her fast and tanky, for shells gigabyte or jackal

[vestal bluff]

help me please I want to build a DoT team for Terror, but I don’t have Lily. Can you give me some suggestions?

[rotund flicker]

what shld the usual rotation be? whats freyas role in these situations

[astral yarrow]

wait aurora was able to be farmable by dot team before? someone said that in in game chat

dorothy doesnt have a midgame shell. still unbridle science?

[trail oracle]

Turn booster, she goes first always to boost the teams turn meter

[kindred smelt]

What matrix for freya?

[trail oracle]

12 speed

Timeweave or any module with high speed substat

[kindred smelt]

Freya need eff acc?

Shells using alicorn?

[trail oracle]

Yes, but not necessary for dot teams

[trail oracle]

Depends, I use artisan for the shield

If you don't have lily, jackal or gigabyte can help with turn meter boost

[kindred smelt]

Double artisan is ok?

[trail oracle]

Yes

[kindred smelt]

Thanks @trail oracle

[valid epoch]

If i don't have lily should i build my Dorothy??

I already have my fangus, ssania, and Holden build mid way through. But i feel like they trash

Or maybe i'm bad at building them

My Holden and ssania isn't using max level shell so the speed tuning is kinda messy

Btw i can clear teror hell 3 with vale and red Kazuya auto 100% wr

[untold widget]

If you have enough eff acc on the rest of your gear, just put a lvl 1 helmet and problem solved

[viral valve]

100 win rates is result of good gear and shells, it’s ok to fail a bit the runs will smooth themselves out as you run it more as you make the right investments and upgrades

[untold widget]

Or you avoided the 10% resist on every hit in every run, and should run the lottery

[viral valve]

Yeah now I just accept the run is at least 80%+

I’m happy

[covert stream]

gm gm, if anyone is struggling at niconana inferno without lily, i've been testing some builds and got about a 80% WR in auto with SSania + Fangus + Obol + Lingluo. Obol really helps stunning the little fuckers and applying more DoTs

[calm totem]

Hi guys, is there a team to auto inferno Sharon ? i cant seem to beat her even with Cachi guard on codex

[untold widget]

Now we are talking more sense xD with dot team it will NEVER i repeat NEVER be a 100%, because the stupid 10% exist, is always a 50/50 chance to land or not land a debuff, you should land them most of the time with good eff acc, but is still a 50/50

[covert stream]

Yup, sometimes the not land DoT RNG and Debuff RNG from boss just destroy the run

[dusky hollow]

does ssania have to be 6*

[slender shard]

Nope but more level more tankiness

[somber island]

You mean 90/10 XD

[untold widget]

?

[untold widget]

i did 6* her to have less rng atk buff from valerian and messing up lily on auto

[somber island]

10%

Not 50%

[untold widget]

it is 50/50, as long is not 100% you either land a debuff or you are not, the % just helps in the rng roulette

[dire moth]

yeah but swap for jackel or gigabyte if u can

[astral yarrow]

what matrixes

[trail mauve]

how many items need of acc freya when combining swiftrush and timeweave? 1 o 2?

[trail mauve]

what do you think of halloween as endgame shell for dorothy?

[dire moth]

halloween timeweave i think codex is to long for a double reset

[trail mauve]

kk thanks

[dire moth]

speed any

swift timeweave typical 12-12

[quick mantle]

does ssania need to be super fast?

or just enough speed

[lone jetty]

Early/mid game ssania, what’s the module focus and stat focus?

[somber island]

Depends if Lily

If yes Lily, slow Ssania on codex

If no Lily, fast Ssania on jacko

[spare birch]

artisan?

[somber island]

Sure

[somber island]

#1384401108663013496 for Lily, #1384714748712583168 for no Lily

[shell dew]

what is prioprity in rta shop btw, I feel like perfect lattices
but animna crystal point is also nice as I need massiah dupes
and summon ticket is not bad either, but prob lower value

[somber island]

I’m only doing lattices

[shell dew]

u dont need dupes?

[somber island]

I don’t think it’s that useful

[cinder cargo]

same i've been only doing lattices too

dupes are great if you can somehow get to the last one but that's a err much later thing

[shell dew]

oh wait the shop reset in 30 days, so I guess I can buy lattices summons and dupes

[somber island]

Right

[trail mauve]

from this team: ssania, fangus, freya, dorothy and valerian which do you guys think is the better 6* after ssania? fangus?

[somber island]

I think you wait until you get to inferno to see if you need to 6 star your dispel for the speed

[tame lichen]

is codex of magic the BiS shell for SSania ?

[pure phoenix]

Wait why Amber has less hp than black flag?

[empty jewel]

Huh, for some reason Lily's buff is making sanina attack before fangus

[trail oracle]

If you run val, maybe her hazy dream gives a random attack buff on fangus

[empty jewel]

I am using val, so just make fangus faster? How big of a deal is this

[trail oracle]

Make fangus attack significantly lower

Just use a lvl 1 helmet

[empty jewel]

Still is happening

[trail oracle]

Can you record your run?

[trail oracle]

Your s2 is on ssania here

[empty jewel]

?

Oh

[trail oracle]

Ohh I get what you mean

You can't make fangus go first

[empty jewel]

Yes

[trail oracle]

Unless you make fangus 20% faster than lily

[empty jewel]

And 21% of sania's speed is the same as fangus' speed...

So it's a 50/50 of whom goes first...

[trail oracle]

Hmm

Try getting a few more speed maybe 3-5

On fangus

[empty jewel]

I'm farming doki doki either way for lily so 2 birds one stone

[empty jewel]

Lmao,now my fangus is faster than lily

[trail oracle]

How...

[empty jewel]

Well, she was at 209 speed before but now lily has 218

But now kazuyo needs more speed to out speed lily for doki. Sigh

[trail oracle]

You should see my lily then

[empty jewel]

307?!?! HOWW

Wait what is this terror inferno bs. This mf is immune to everything

[trail oracle]

Lots of speed checking modules

[trail oracle]

Need dispeler to remove immune buff, should be 264 speed to overtake boss

[winged bough]

The name of the game is speed for everyone. I was playing this game in dark souls difficulty till My 7th support modules finally rolled more than green speed

[empty jewel]

So that's why people were recommending Holden

I also have kloss

wait 264? Oh god

[iron meteor]

Thoughts on battlewill? or is bramble/swift better?

[distant tartan]

i personally like swift+battlewill tbh on both fangus and ssania

[dire moth]

up to preference

[somber island]

Your lily needs 40% more attack than others bc valerian buff

You can try to give Holden and fangus a level 1 helmet

And/or run a attack passive like this

6 star is also a good option for base attack stacking

[empty jewel]

The original problem was lily giving sania a speed buff. Just had to give fangus more speed

Clearing hell 4 pretty constantly rn

[somber island]

Alr lol

[empty jewel]

Speaking of Holden tho, for inferno, what should my team comp be?

[pure phoenix]

@dire moth Are you pulling?

[dire moth]

Yeah of course

[dire moth]

[pure phoenix]

[pure phoenix]

I did give 10 pull a try and got her

[dire moth]

Nice don’t think she out on global yet no

Hope I get 7 all in one 10 pull so I can have her fully maxed

[high bane]

hello

please help build S.Sania Team for Terrormaton

these are the units i have so far

currently iam doing Terrormaton Hell-2 and DokiDoki Hell-1

[sleek ivy]

yeah i think i'll invest into Cachi because it's stun which mess up my runs if Lily or SSania gets CCed

[pure phoenix]

@dire moth I’m thinking of giving Yeli Bramble+Keeneye for now

[spare birch]

Isn’t battlewill better for her?

[pure phoenix]

From what I see she already have her passive (not sure)

If I do battle will I might go with 12-8-6

[somber island]

#1384401108663013496

[empty jewel]

Yeah I think I'm just gonna stick with hell 4

[dire moth]

Will respond when off of work

[pure phoenix]

@dire moth Global also has her banner too

[dire moth]

Yeah just got her

now I need 4 more dupes

[calm totem]

Start a yeli cult !

[lethal rivet]

Hey. How do I insta scroll to the beginning of this thread?

[boreal briar]

Check pins

Or use PC client

[finite sedge]

Hey y’all

I wanna make this team so I’ll take this as a ref

No Lily but have Holden, Mia, Helkid,valerian, Mizuki Makoto. What should I take ?

[quick mantle]

holden fangus valer cachi ssania should work

make sure holden is the fastest and make sania prtty fast < this is what i did

[hybrid solstice]

anyway to make shadowflame hoyan less rng, i tried the 3 man comp and with valerian and i have like 50% wr

[finite sedge]

Aight
And I want Artisan on Holden ?

[quick mantle]

ye i did 4 artisans to make sure i survived lol

artisan on 4 1 codex on ssania but before i got codex i used artisan on ssania

[abstract wing]

do we just pivot to speed for inferno nico nana and terror?

[dire moth]

Yeah unless you’re like max invested tank becomes better

[abstract wing]

is there a rough speed tuning to see?

[dire moth]

not to sure

[tacit phoenix]

@dire moth Do you have another guide?

[dire moth]

not rn in process of getting all units up

just got home tho

[tacit phoenix]

Where else are you using your Sania comp? I'm still low level but got a Sania without lily.

[shell dew]

people saying yeli is really strong for aurora is it true?

[willow knot]

what is the speed for Obol to stun 2 times and not lap the minon in Shadowflame hoyan?

[astral yarrow]

for ssania i cant drop a good artisan despite dumping 500+ stability on nico. can i just use a bramble one for now?

[trail oracle]

Mine is 235

He goes after the ads after their 2nd turn

[willow knot]

but this would mean we need to tank the first hit from the boss right?

if possible can i see ur team and their speed

[trail oracle]

I run celince, obol, fangus, ssania

Celince go first to land atk down on boss and forgetfulness on ads and apply dmg reduc for team

My celince is 255 speed I think, but you only need 245 to overtake hoyan

My ssania is on codex for more dot stacks before detonation

Fangus on artisan and obol on codex

80% win rate, sometimes I go 10/10 depends if I get unlucky with the debuffs

[willow knot]

thx i definitely can do the team will try it out

[trail oracle]

Here's a sample run

[digital drift]

Hello! Sania's best shell still Amber? I have Artisan right now and I dont know if should be change. Thanks!

[swift robin]

What are the things I need to upgrade for tera inferno? Mia star upgrade is the obv one, but Im not sure about the rest.

Also who do I swap out and what to use as a dispeller? I don't have holden.

Ssania (Artisan) Valerain (Artisan) Fangus(Alicorn) Mia (Black Flag) Lily (Artisan)

[somber island]

#1384401108663013496 for gear, dispel is Holden > Veronika> Heinrich> mia

[swift robin]

Thanks

[oblique robin]

what is better for late game ssania, amber or codex(saw on prdywen site)

is amber mainly for dokidoki farming? i am alr using rosa there, just need ssania for terror

[somber island]

No one uses Ssania for doki…

Both amber and codex are fine, codex is faster while amber is safer

I use codex myself

[oblique robin]

#1382334085288169542 message this what i was referring to

[oblique robin]

oh, ok

[somber island]

Bro what

[dire moth]

U should try investing in a unit b4 copy pasting word for word than saying what

[empty jewel]

What's Holdens skill priority for terror inferno

[quaint sierra]

is lvl 3 s1 on sania enough for inferno? Or do u likely need it to be lvl 5

[jagged kindle]

Does SSania not care about speed? If you want to use her in other content too can her speed set work? Or do you want her to be mega slow so others can stack dots before she nukes?

Inferno hoyan SSanias are all speed sets

[trail oracle]

You need lvl 5 for double dot stack

[vagrant oriole]

Hey guys, this is a totally nub question. But should I only use SSania S1 or S1-S2-S1?

[sonic viper]

if manual, yes

by the time s2 is up again or a bit before, you should s3

[vagrant oriole]

So, S1 only once? Even if it isnt lvl5?

[sonic viper]

no you should be using s1 lol

s1 s2 s1 s1 s1 s3 (if you think you have enough dot stacks)

that is why you build her battlewill or bramble so she applies more dot

[vagrant oriole]

Great, thanks

[pure phoenix]

@dire moth Not that my global got 5 SSR that I like while my main Asia still Lilyless…

[dire moth]

lol

[rotund flicker]

ssania did this🥴

[fallow pier]

What would be a minimum investment for a ssania team without lily, assuming both fang and obol, in terms of lattices and module spec to tackle hell 4 or inferno?

[dire moth]

obol for shells S3 max codex shell

fangus 5-5-1

[pure phoenix]

Insane Unluck

[trail mauve]

at least! i beat hell 4 but i have a question, there is anything to do for in auto ssania do s1 into s2 into s3? is doing s2 into s3 all the time in auto.

unbreakable and brambe sets btw

[jagged kindle]

Is tank senna always better than speed senna? Seems like inferno Hoyan teams go with speed, is there a reason for that?

[cerulean shoal]

I struggle hard with this shit boss lol

[trail oracle]

It's still inconsistent when every dot just get resisted

[cerulean shoal]

just trying even manul it, but he jumps like crazy in the air

[wraith flare]

Why is my holden often times getting lily's boost instead of ssania despite him having much lower atk 😭

[flint zenith]

Btw, what shell for Doki Doki? i got side tracked since last time >.<

Gigabyte or codex?

[oblique robin]

so amber is better than codex even out of dokidoki?

[dire moth]

Can cycle with speed sets is the issue

Later when you start getting sub stats built or early if you’re not built it’s fine for shells but like the other stuff terror doki it’ll be S2 S2 which gives less stacks than letting it go S2 S3 than auto

[oblique robin]

ah, ok

[vestal bluff]

“I don’t have Holden to build the DOT team. Can you give me some suggestions for Holden replacements?”

[empty jewel]

Is Holden worth 6 starring for terror inferno/other content? Iv already 6 starred sania and lily

[boreal briar]

You dont need Holden for DoT team

Only for Inferno terror

Thing is the only two units that works is Holden and Heinrich

Which is why I kept telling people to grab a copy

Cause no other unit is a turn 1 dispel

[empty jewel]

Who should I replace from my terror team(sania,fangus,lily,freya,val) with Holden for inferno

[errant light]

how do yall keep your dots alive? im running 3 accuracy and they are squishy af

also how much accuracy is enough?

[iron meteor]

Can ssania proc battle will off of lily S1 follow up?

[vestal bluff]

so i can use hein ?

[boreal briar]

Yes

[boreal briar]

You just need something to go faster then all your units and dispel the immunity for inferno terror

[oblique robin]

do i go triple effect acc on my amber shell for ssania, or do i go double acc, and one effect res

was looking at this #1382334085288169542 message

[vestal bluff]

so my line up is ssania,lily,hein,vale,fangus?

[willow creek]

how invested do i need to pull this off on inferno hoyan?

[viral valve]

these are what mine look like for auto

my ssania is max invested tho cause i love her so idk if that'll be relatable lol

if I had a reset tho I'd probably take some lattice back as I think 4 of the 12 can be used else where for better progression

[white arrow]

Have a lot of toons
Chaki and vice max too

What is the best setup for niconana farm?

[white arrow]

How mich obol olis invested? Amd who is the other one?😅 not 3 auto right?

[viral valve]

obol only s3

i run 3 or 4th slot valerian for extra safe usually gets me 90%+ sometimes boss just resist cause I don't have 200%+ eff acc on fangus

[white arrow]

Can sou show me a photo of ypur team modules shells ect? If its not a problem

Need to reset dinah if rhe opportunity come again…early she is important,now not that much

[white arrow]

Please 😅🤌

[viral valve]

codex on ssania and obol fangus on alicorn(can be something else) valerian artisan

[hard gate]

Is the Module set the same for terror inferno too ,

[viral valve]

I run artisan in terror

just need to survive

[hard gate]

All artisan ?for both fangus and ssania ?

[viral valve]

No I run artisan on valerian ssania and holden

I don't use fangus in terror I use freya instead

depends what you have plenty of people use different builds

[hard gate]

Alright then

[uncut comet]

why do i feel like autoing hoyan in inferno is easier than niconana inferno 😅

[boreal briar]

Yes

[boreal briar]

Very

And thats not possible auto

Thats not for farming thats for flexing

[trail mauve]

dorothy the wisher its a really surprise, its really good

like i thinking of using her everywhere

[shrewd veldt]

How to access the top lol, too many messages

[trail mauve]

there is a pine

pin*

or you can press the up arrow in the superior corner right of discord

[ocean raven]

Anyone got tips for Hoyan inferno auto? Im always left with 20% hp

Tried with
SSania, cachi, Ling/Vale, Lily
SSania, Cachi, Lily, Fangus/Obols

Both also ~ 20% hp left

[oblique robin]

how much effect acc do my units(ssania, fangus, obol ) need?

[ocean raven]

At least 140 I believe

[wraith flare]

I used obol, lily, fangus, ssania

It doesn't have a good consistent wr tho

Unless you have celince?

If you're using obol, use codex

Make sure his spd is is fastest, and goes before the adds. But not too fast that his second turn comes before the adds gets their first turn

Speed order Obol > fangus > lily. Lily using twin trick to ssania

But again this can go wrong if 1. Obol misses his stun. 2. Hoyan just resist a lot of dots

My personal way ^ idk about others tho

[slender shard]

Is Obol needed for terrormaton purgatory in SSania comp?

[wraith flare]

All use codex except lily uses gigabyte

[wraith flare]

Purgatory? Is that hell or inferno? Personally I use ssania, valerian, holden, lily, fangus

[slender shard]

The last difficulty

[slender shard]

Thank you

[wraith flare]

Yeah I used that team

[wraith flare]

Okii

Fangus, ssania, holden uses codex

Lily gigabyte, valerian artisan

It's not always a 100% win but works nicely for me

Lily 5/5/1, ssania 5/1/1, holden 1/1/1, fangus 5/5/1, valerian 1/1/5

If you use codex on Ssania does she uses s2/s2 or s2/s3/s2? Autobattle

[wraith flare]

S2, s2, s3

[trail mauve]

codex is the only way for auto?

[feral ocean]

lol I love how with SSania, Terrormaton kill somebody on the team and ends up killing himself with the turn boost xD

[wraith flare]

@wraith flare thanks bro
Good to know

[shut crane]

if by any chance i dont have a holden, what are or is the possible alternative for him? 0:

[wraith flare]

Would think Heinrich since.. he's the only one who will dispell turn one... But he's quite squishy...

Talking about DOT at least you need that dispell on turn one to get rid of immunity. Other than that... Turandot/mia but needs manual

Or if you have veronica? Iirc she can steal buffs as well

[tame lichen]

gaming

[cosmic salmon]

guys, what's the best shell for ssania? in this guide it says amber but on prwyden it says codex of magic.. what should i go for?

[quick mantle]

codex

[trail mauve]

i think codex is better when you can start to farm, its your team its really enough good, codex can push your damage better than amber/artisan.

[cinder cargo]

codex much better/faster if you have the gear to support it, amber/artisan lower gear investment to clear

[spare birch]

Is codex better on ssania even if i don’t have lily or go for more bulk like artisan

[astral yarrow]

what skill to max on obol?

s1

[neat valley]

can anybody help me to improve my team for terra? i cant do a good win rate on auto

[cinder cargo]

what's the stats for your holden and lily

the key to a high auto success rate is their speeds and everyone else 160+ eff acc and bulky

[neat valley]

holden has less speed than lily but his going first

[trail oracle]

Holden needs to be 264 speed to go first before boss

[neat valley]

264 lol

thats too much

[icy valley]

For ssania team im mid game rn, is it alright if i run alicorn but it doesn’t have strive on it cus this game doesnt wanna give me any good alicorns

[cinder cargo]

needs to be much faster, 264 holden and 275 lily for 100% winrate

[icy valley]

(For fangus)

[neat valley]

lol , but how?

[cinder cargo]

max ascended shell + speed roll

usually gives you enough for 250, if you get swift + swiftraid on white fang, you get 20% more speed from swiftraid

and reroll middle for 20 speed, you break 310 with 12pc swift + couple of speed substat hits

[neat valley]

i have it alredy , still missing like 30-40 speed

[cinder cargo]

time to hit the doki mines

[sick berry]

ngl i use freya for terror inferno instead of lily and it has a better wr% and idk why

[somber island]

#1384714748712583168 bc Freya gives def buff which allows you to tank better

Lily works better if you have better gear that doesn’t need that extra def and have codex

As well as speed

[sick berry]

i guess its cause ssania doesnt have bramble

maybe

[somber island]

#1384401108663013496

[sick berry]

she pushes ss

before holden

[somber island]

Expecially when you have really good gear and shell, Lily outshines by a lot

Well it’s mostly for her drag s1 of Ssania

Which allows Ssania to 1 shot terror boss with 1 s3

[sick berry]

maybe its my speed tuning

i find sometimes i go too fast

and run out of the artisan buff before the hands and terror hits me

too lazy to redo tho kewk

[somber island]

As long as it works lol

[hybrid zenith]

cant run out of artisan if u run more

[pure phoenix]

@dire moth Should I spend all my hydra for permanent banner? Kinda struggling without Lily

[dire moth]

as a f2p nah

[pure phoenix]

I’ll try best best not to let my intrusive thoughts win

Currently doing my best with exp farm

[tacit phoenix]

Exp farming as in doing investigation?

[shut crane]

yeah T_T i do mia with manual

[shut crane]

so far from the list i only have Heinrich... so i guess i can try to make him hp accu accu with time weave and the green tear module

[wraith flare]

I think swiftrush is more essential because you want him to move first to dispell the immunity so that your dot units can land debuffs

[shut crane]

oh yeah true true , so swiftrush + the hp one right so he can survive since he squishy or swift and blood something

[wraith flare]

I feel like the hp one is okay, since the one making team survive is valerian xD

Mostly

But yeah bloodbath/wellspring which ever you have better module on should most likely work

[shut crane]

i'll try when i have money to invest on modules again 🤣

brokie

[echo gyro]

If I m missing lily and obol can i make any dot strategy work?

I ve ssonia and Fangus

[boreal briar]

Maybe if you checked pins

Just maybe

[boreal briar]

Dont need Lily use Valerian if you want consistent runs

[boreal briar]

On who?

[wraith flare]

Ah, I will try then

[boreal briar]

Obol needs Codex

SSania can use Codex

But doesnt need it

Obol must have codex and you dont want him to be too fast either

Just need enough to outspeed the mobs so you maximise the duration the mobs stay stunned

Lily being too fast actuallys fuck up alot of my runs I realised

I recently upgraded her to 305 speed and started failing a bunch of my infernos and wondered why

Went to look at it and realised DPSes was losing turns from Lily being too fast

Cause Lily ends up looping the DPS and pulls them up with S2 instead of having that extra turn they take normally then Lily pulls them up

[boreal briar]

264 is the threshold for inferno

[neat valley]

guys, i got my holden to 264, but i still cant do it, even on manual, what is missing now?

[neat valley]

okeey i got it

finally

finally

[wraith flare]

Yeah I realized xD 245 is my sweetspot

And I tuned it so that obol>fangus>lily

[wraith flare]

So is maxing s2 lily bad...? XD

[boreal briar]

No

What

What that does that have to do with maxing Lily S2

I dont get this stupid ass logic

People keep telling me dont max Lily S2

Yes only if you know what you are doing

Otherwise it makes no fucking sense

Higher uptime on spd buff is bad?

[wraith flare]

Sorry no, I maxed mine as well. Was like more asking am i fked? XD

I heard some to think twice before maxing s2

I personally also wanted to max s2 due to more uptime on spd buff

[boreal briar]

It only applies specifically for DoT comps

Because more S2 means less S1

Hence why I said if you know what you are doing

Because more S2 is better in every comp not DoT

[wraith flare]

Yes that is indeed true. Tho more than anything i wish I could block lily s3 instead kekw

On auto, while using DOT

[wraith flare]

I indeed did not think things through for DOT T.T

[boreal briar]

Yea but it doesnt matter

Mine is max but Im still autoing inferno

But my Lily is so much better in everything else

[wraith flare]

Btw for this, does obol needs to be raised? Mine was still 4 star I think...

[boreal briar]

So

[wraith flare]

If using the valerian team

Instead of lily

[boreal briar]

Yes you need his S3 maxed

Otherwise its not reliable enough for auto

[wraith flare]

Ah yes s3 is indeed max

Does his level/star needs raised as well?

[boreal briar]

I mean you also need him fast enough and tanky enough

[wraith flare]

Like maybe for survivability? Or is valerian enough for that

[boreal briar]

If you can do that without raising stars

[wraith flare]

Ah... Hmm...

[boreal briar]

Thats the thing

I dont know if your account csn do it

Mine can

[wraith flare]

Fast I can do... Tanky enough... Would be harder since I use all eff acc on right side

[boreal briar]

So whether you do it is up to you

[wraith flare]

Hmm I'll try a run or two then brb

[boreal briar]

6* probably not

But 5* is easy and I highly recommend it for reliable runs

[wraith flare]

I tried but my team does get bullied:')

Do you mind recording a run of it please?

[echo gyro]

In every place Sonia can be used

I wanted to know what were my options to replace her

[trail mauve]

where?

[wraith flare]

Shadow flame hoyan

[regal skiff]

DoT is the most unserious thing lmao. I laughed my ass off after clearing teror like that.

My ssania died on 3rd turn cycle. Teror fua, take dot damage and killed my lily. Then take action, attack killing the rest of the team but take dot and then I won while my Holden still full HP with leftover Artisan shield.

Fangus who? That guy who wont appear on my summon, dont need him.

[trail mauve]

how much acc need fangus? fail a lot of dots with s1 and sometimes with the s3, i have right now 130% is that low? only s3 max strive/bramble

[regal skiff]

I see people go around 170-200+ ish. Why not bring Holden? He can reduce enemy resist, making it easier to land dot even with low acc eff.

[trail mauve]

dont have :/

[somber island]

180 for inferno

if holden 150

[trail mauve]

https://i.imgur.com/DcevyaE.png https://i.imgur.com/WpTXYc5.png https://i.imgur.com/785xfXj.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/nruxj8j.png https://i.imgur.com/kQVb2Hw.png This is what i running on Terror IV, but my wr is very bad like in 10 auto runs i win 1 o 2 max, and in manual its like sometimes 40 wr or less, my question is do you guys think the only issue is because i dont have s1 ssania and fangus max? i was thinking of dropping halloween on dorothy but i dont know if getting another artisan gonna "solve" everything.

[blazing sphinx]

keygy has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[white arrow]

https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1388529258992898149

Please guys i need some guidance…not really peogressing with them. What turn order i need to work ect

[quick mantle]

how much speed again to outspeed on terror inferno with holden?

[trail oracle]

264

[white arrow]

The pinned guide is still true? I recicled all my amber of course,never seen it before not even mentioned..

[boreal briar]

People need to start reading and learning how to play the game because guides get outdated

Also why would recycle all of a certain shell

Thats so dumb

I keep 10 copies so that whenever I get something nice I can build it regardless

Ive built a copy of every single red shell and Ive used them all in different scenarios

[boreal briar]

The answer to why your team is unreliable is that you dont have Lily

If you have no Lily you are better off running actual DPS compa for terrormaton now imo

Like Kloros Yeli

[white arrow]

You are above all. Congrats here is a cookie 🤏

[bronze sparrow]

This good enough for fangus or do I return to the Niconana gulag?

[dense meadow]

do we have a dokidoki team with ssania?

[regal skiff]

I dont have fangus. I use holden, valerian, ssania, freya, vice. All use artisan. No lose so far on every 8 clear.

The key is artisan

Initially I used lily but had some loses.

[patent pivot]

anyone have a good auto setup for inferno hoyan? my auto keeps failing. using ssania fangus obol valerian. very interested to know the speed tuning and shells needed

[cinder cargo]

@patent pivot 250 obol 249 lily with fangus a little slower and ssania speed doesn't matter too much, codex obol and rest on gigabyte and artisan doesn't matter too much

Doesn't have to be at 249 250 but at least those speeds

[serene cypress]

obol should be faster than hoyan, then fangus sania next after obol, 4th slot can be anyone, you can clear even without a 4th one

obol should be on codex same with ssania

then giga or artisan on fangus

[patent pivot]

i have this on right now.. but i just keep dying...

[serene cypress]

obol should be first so u can prevent the counters of the adds

[patent pivot]

yea obol goes first. he's at 260spd. fangus is 2nd with 258

[serene cypress]

u should be able to clears then

just stun the mobs

[patent pivot]

yeah its kinda 50/50 now

[serene cypress]

rough, try checking out seanb hoyan inferno team if u havent

oh wait he used celince

[patent pivot]

yeah i dont have celince so thats a no go strat for me

[serene cypress]

oh wait, lily pushes sania up?

[patent pivot]

yes

is she not supposed to?

[serene cypress]

cuz like, u can't build up enuf dots

b4 she uses her 2nd s2

and s3 later

or maybe she can, 🤔

i can't really test things out cuz i don't have lily

[patent pivot]

hmm how much eff acc does your obol have?

mine keeps missing the dots

this is what it looks like after 2 turns i think

[serene cypress]

i have like 220+

my fangus is at like 240+

fangus misses a lot it's crazy

i also lvled obol s3 to lvl 3

if that's needed

[trail oracle]

You could try this, you can swap out celince with someone who has atk down like vice, or sustain like val

[patent pivot]

damn.. vice seems to be working. thanks!

[trail mauve]

i have 3 artisan right now and yeah, the runs has improved i can use auto hell 4 at least when i max s1 ssania and fangus s1 i suppose the wr gonna be a lot better, im gearing tsukiyo mi too, wanna try there too.

[kindred smelt]

For inferno terrormaton, SSania, lily, vale, fangus and holden, can holden be replaced by others?

[regal skiff]

Probably hard since Teror has a chunk amount of resistance and Holden can reduce that making sure DoT hit more often. I did see some run with Freya to control the turn meter since Freya reduce enemy turn meter every debuffs.

Plus he also dispell teror immunity.

[kindred smelt]

I see... Thanks.. looks like i cant do inferno terror till i manage to get lucky in perma summon

[somber island]

can use veronika and heinrichj

or any dispel

its just you need more bulk bc you dont get the attack down

and more eff for no eff down

absolutely coverable with gear tho

[echo gyro]

Oh so veronika works there?

But how much investment she needs?

@somber island

[somber island]

bit more than holden

30% more eff on all your units

and lik 10% more bulk

[somber island]

.

[neat valley]

why my twin trick is going for holden ? i dont understand

[regal skiff]

Any ATK buffer in your team? How much is SSania ATK and Holden ATK? Twin trick prio unit with highest atk afterall.

[neat valley]

sania has 1800 and holden 1400

i dont think anyone buffs atk, its fangus, valerian, sania and holden

[trail oracle]

val buffs attack randomly thru haze buff

[somber island]

valerian gives 40% attack buff

which means

you need 40% more attack

this is what i have

and level 1 helmet on holden

[neat valley]

for who?

[somber island]

and fangus

for ssania

so lily goes to ssania

[neat valley]

i dont see any buff atk on valerian skills

there is one random buff from her s3

[somber island]

yes

[kindred smelt]

Heinrich need lattice?

[somber island]

should be fine without, only if you need speed

[kindred smelt]

How about viper in place of holden/heinrich?

[somber island]

as long as it dispells

any unit work

[lunar pasture]

@keen torrent

[feral ocean]

guys, theres no way to make SSania auto smarter right?

[errant light]

it used to be super good in beta but they nerfed her AI

during beta she only s3 if it guaranteed kills

now she uses it whenever its up

[feral ocean]

she uses her S2 first also... when the mob has 0 dot

NicoNana Inferno is a nightmare x_x

even with 200% Eff Accuracy, the dots gets resisted all the time... then the non-stop stuns and the S2/S3 at the worst moment possible, not sure what to do at this point

[errant light]

run lily/ssania/cachi the goat/lingluo

[feral ocean]

cachi? well I dont have resources to level another toon... i tried to level that Golbo guy whatever his name, didn't work, tried Holden, didn't work, :/

I swapped my Fangus for Lingluo, it seems to be doing much better... But those resists on the dots are still quite annoying.

How much Eff. Accuracy do we need?

[pure phoenix]

R.I.P to my Amber Trek this month

I’m stuck cuz I don’t have any heal blocker built

[tacit phoenix]

You don't need any thereb

Just focus the healer and let it run

[pure phoenix]

There is 2 healer in there

I’ll try

[merry violet]

Trying to do inferno hoyan

You guys think codex obol followed by codex shania sounds like it will work?

[trail oracle]

Yes

I have a inferno hoyan comp team above

[trail oracle]

This one

[feral ocean]

So... Codex is pretty much the best shell for dot characters?

[hard gate]

Do I need to invest in holden skill or nah for inferno

Cuz I got ssania s1 and fangus s1 and s2 max already

[iron meteor]

Is there a DoT cap? Im talking about the icons on the enemy to indicate dots, sometimes no more icons show up even if im hitting dots

[dire moth]

nope its just they cleaned up the UI

[dire moth]

6 dot stacks here

[dire moth]

but when u open up the buffs tab 9 stacks

[iron meteor]

Thanks! It made me question if i should ult on ssania when i notice no new icons

[dire moth]

yeah its just UI clean up is all it use to cover the bosses name

and element

[quick mantle]

is the only way to fix to my team not surviving long enough on auto even with valer is to make them tankier? my holden and lily outspeeds the boss but somehow i just cant last on auto but its clearable on manual if i dont burst sania dot right away

have 3 artisan too

inferno btw

[dire moth]

yeah kind of it sucks but terror auto sucks on speed set unless u do 1 shot hoyan

[quick mantle]

ye its annoying i guess im farming more doki2 i dont feel like manualing

[white arrow]

My lilly s1 is max my shadow sannia attack power is the highest in the team but atill assiat my fungus. Why?

[slate rain]

is anyone have lineup for auto hoyan inferno with good winrate?

[dire moth]

are u using valerian

[white arrow]

Yes

[dire moth]

is fangus faster than lily cause if so than he would be getting the atk buff

pretty sure its only the atk stack that lily ai does

but idk ai in this game pretty buggy

[white arrow]

Fungus is faster than lilly, the plan is to fung ult then saniia double s2 with codex but…lilly s1 is on fungus

It was working good,and woala roday nothing

[dire moth]

maybe ai bug but yeah if thats the case fangus would be getting the ATK buff that valerian hazy dream gives

[white arrow]

On paper it should work now right?
But its supping fungus

[dire moth]

think its just the speed the way to fix it is make lily faster or make ssania have higher base atk

[dire moth]

cause valerian max S3 cast hazy dream off start so fangus is instantly getting the atk buff

[white arrow]

Lilly speed up did the work! Thank you

How is yeli going ?
Seems an intresting one

[dire moth]

np yeah so it was just fangus was getting the atk buff from valerian hazy dream which is why lily kept buffing fangus

and yeli is going fine havent done the full 5-5-5 yet but want to 5-5-5 doki next i think

seems like they did a few changes to celince since beta forgetfull ness doesnt seem to proc on rengokutsu but does on hoyan

[cinder cargo]

have u cleared inferno rengoku yet @dire moth

[quick mantle]

@dire moth why is lily powering up holden

[dire moth]

show sub stats

assume your team is lily ssania holden valerian fangus

[quick mantle]

leaving and going back in fixes it

its annoying to do that

[quick mantle]

ye

[dire moth]

yeah just show stats ill let u know

[quick mantle]

wait

[dire moth]

other guy had speed atk problem

[quick mantle]

ye nvm it doesnt the first run it went to ssania the 2nd run it went to holden

[dire moth]

havent atempted yet issue i have with it rn is celince isnt working like she does on SF Hoyan inferno where she can use forgetfullness like in beta so idk if its bug or global release fix

[dire moth]

yeah its alr just show substats

[quick mantle]

should i make lily go first instead of holden?

[dire moth]

ooo i see your issue

[dire moth]

so your lily and holden both have the same base speed of 174 so its a speed tie the run that goes to ssania getting twin trick lily is winning speed tie when it doesnt holden is winning speed tie

[quick mantle]

soo i have to make holden a little bit slower?

or lily

[dire moth]

lily faster or holden slower preferably lily just faster <<< this is so holden wont lose speed and should still go b4 ssania and if he doesnt its alr realistically youll lose 1 stack of dot which isnt to to much

[quick mantle]

okay i swapped their speed lets see

[dire moth]

but should fix the issue

of twin trick going onto holden

[quick mantle]

okay that fixed it thanks and i made my inferno terrormaton like around 60%-80% wr just by maxing fangus s1 lol i didnt notice that my fangus s1 was lvl 1 so it wasnt just landing any dot at all

[dire moth]

lol

yeah just speed tie issue is all

[quick mantle]

i never went below 5 wins so i guess thats prtty good?

lmao thanks tho

[dire moth]

yeah still pretty good since u can farm fury and ether plague

[quick mantle]

ye i need to improve xiada dmg so i can 2 shot first wave on dokidoki

[dire moth]

shell gives 88% effect acc by itself

but yeah even winning half on inferno pretty good

for auto

think the only 100% win rate one u can get is the super invested hoyan

but uh not ideal cause need freya heinrich hoyan <<< with at least 3 out of 9 skills maxed

[quick mantle]

what does ur inferno hoyan with ssania looks like?

[dire moth]

SSania Obol Fangus <<< double or tripl codex if u want expensive build

but can go for quad codex with kaz the rev

its perma cc pretty much to prevent ads

and stacks decent dot b4 S3

[gleaming delta]

@dire moth is ssania good for all the content? i thinking about building her instead of other dps, can you help me?

[dire moth]

wouldnt say 4 all content but a very decent amount

[quick mantle]

damn i dont have any more lattice for obol

how abot lily fangus kazuyo ssania?

[dire moth]

this is what youre looking at for content

Terrormaton
Most shells excluding sharon inferno ( immune to dot ) Inferno Rengokutsu ( Idk if celince forgetfullness is broken on him but isnt working like in beta )
Union bosses are kind of a no but she still does good damage just dont expect to like insta 100 SSS
Phantom theater Shes also a Meh <<< can do good but again not insta SSS
Doki Doki <<<< can do this but very specific if u have xiada Yeli or Ril they clear quicker shes sub dps on this one for Middle ADS
Aurora <<< immune to DOT not sure if forgetfullness procs on aurora havent tried

^^^^ good for ether rally

[gleaming delta]

i have those, ofc i have fangus but i have to max him.. do you think is worth to build her?

[dire moth]

this is fine just might be a bit more rng with ads realistically u want Lily Fangus Obol and SSania <<< Cause fangus will follow up kazrev unless u specifically just target boss

[dire moth]

Lily SSania Veronica Valerian Fangus <<<< inferno comp with your units ut yeah i think its worth just cause it gets u your dps sets to clear doki doki youre pretty much swapping back and forth till u start max clearing

[quick mantle]

does obol needs max s3 to work?

[dire moth]

unfortunately

not really its just higher win %

for autoing at least

[gleaming delta]

lily valerian are already at max level and have maxed the skills they need, so im at a good point, ill start to level up those three

is good sania for ember trek or not?

[dire moth]

kind of i use her but some stages youll need a actual dps

[quick mantle]

its funny how hard inferno is and it still drops 2 set effects

[slate rain]

@dire moth do you have lineup for auto hoyan inferno with good win rate?

[dire moth]

SSania Codex
Obol Codex
fangus Codex
lily if have if not swap fangus to a dps and bring kaz the rev

gonna sleep now tho havent slept in a day

but will answer questions

[slate rain]

ok than, hail codex and gn

[muted gale]

Ooo we’re on codex now that’s cool af

[main heron]

Can anyone share a non lily inferno terror team with ss sania? This chat is too long to browse through 😂

I have most of the heroes

I am thinking trying ssania, fangus, Holden, valerian, and cachi or freya

[quick mantle]

cachi

its just a comp on making ur team survive as long as u can and wait for the boss to die

[ember lance]

Which cachi? Been using that comp with Freya. can't do inferno and H4 is like 70% win.

[ember lance]

is there a sub for Obol?

[dire moth]

a dps that isn’t green

[dire moth]

o wait u asking for sf hoyan just a dps than

[tawny patrol]

mia or veronika for stripper in inferno? i dont have holden

[dire moth]

Both can strip but mia will need a bit more effect acc to land both hits

[somber island]

doesnt mia s3 first

[distant tartan]

only if the team gets hit too hard or else she s2 first

[serene cypress]

applies with all healers, they won't use their heal skill if you have full hp

[astral yarrow]

helo everyone. i just unlocked shadowflame hoyan and wanted to know what was a good team to farm her auto to get the best rev possible

[slate nymph]

@dire moth for some inferno shell stages does it make sense to use ssania and fangus with cachi the guard?

[dire moth]

depends

[dire moth]

obol codex

[astral yarrow]

dont have codex yet i m level 45

[dire moth]

than run gigabyte kaz the rev

obol codex is for autoing

rev is more like have to manual for now

[astral yarrow]

i m autoing with ssania fangus celince and val it s about 95% wr

idk how it holds up in inferno

• my fangus has 200% eff acc and gets resisted 5 times in a row quite often for some reason

[dire moth]

inferno hits harder

and yeah dw its just well to put it lightly very bad rng 9/10

[astral yarrow]

yeah but like it happens a lot

i feel like i m getting scammed

[dire moth]

u are but pretty sure its just how Eff ACC works in game

[astral yarrow]

maybe i should go some other stat then idk

[dire moth]

so 30% * 2 = 60% base - 10% EF Res << think this is the actual formula which is why ppl feel like they miss but could be wrong

[dire moth]

2 just comes from your EF H %

but like i said formula could be wrong but makes most logical sense

[astral yarrow]

it s 35 tho i think\

i should dot 60% of the time then

maybe it woukld be better to give ssania more eff acc?

[lethal atlas]

are there any runs here with yeli on doki? I don't have any other units aside from Yeli for doki lol
I'm using Kloss Freya Yeli Valerian and Kazuyo, and I'm stuck on Hell 3

Here are my units

[dire moth]

havent maxed my yeli yet but pretty sure u just go revelation

[dire moth]

yeah not to sure how the formula works just makes the most sense with how often ppl miss the dot on fangus sometimes

[lethal atlas]

so before I get revelation I just farm more shells, or modules? can only farm until hell 2 for both doki and terror

[dire moth]

shells first always modules later

[trail oracle]

Yo I just woke up and saw the inferno nerfs

[lethal atlas]

thanks, niconana will see me again for the nth time

ow wait this is not the etheria-only-chat LOL i'm so sorry

[dire moth]

havent seen but plan 2 sleep soon

[astral yarrow]

you cant farm revelation yet?

[lethal atlas]

yeah, only lvl40 now

hoyan unlocks at 45

[trail oracle]

Ill just paste it here

[astral yarrow]

oh damn then dont worry about h3 yet. farm a shell for freya and maybe better spam hell2 for now

also why does the guide suggests amber on ssania?

[lethal atlas]

I tried inferno on my main w/ amber and it did increase my win rate because of the emergency revives

but my runs on inferno were much consistent w/ codex

that's without lily

[trail oracle]

For survivability, but I use codex for faster clears. That is if you can make all your units tanky enough

[astral yarrow]

fair enough

[trail mauve]

i have right now 3 artisan + 1 lighthouse + gygabite on hell4 i think gonna try swap ssania to codex and changing gygabite to halloween or another artisan.

[dense meadow]

is battlewill better than bramble on sania?

[trail oracle]

Haven't tried yet coz no room to experiment with the lack of gold

[weary willow]

Could a Ssania,lily,hellkid,fangus,Val team clear inferno on auto

Terro

[trail oracle]

You need dispeller for terro like holden, heinrich for auto. Mio, Veronika, Turandot for manual

[weary willow]

Damm I missed out on Holden but I do have veronika

But sucks I would have to manual

[rustic moth]

should be, but I'd aim for spd strive swiftsmite in a perfect world

[dense meadow]

does holden need any skillups?

[empty jewel]

If both sania and fangus want codex, what set should they be using since codex can't have bramble or unbreakable

[trail oracle]

Only s1 if you lack speed, otherwise can use at 1/1/1

[dense meadow]

How much into s1?

[empty jewel]

Quick question, what set does your sanina and fangus use

[dense meadow]

Also what about obol do we use him for shells or anything?

[trail oracle]

I don't suggest it but lvl 4 to get the +15 speed, I'd try getting speed on modules and shells first. If you hit 264 then you can save your lattices

[trail oracle]

Fangus on artisan and ssania on codex

My ssania is using speed bramble

Fangus on speed strive

I have inferno gears tho, so they are tanky enough

My inferno terror runs usually at 10/10 or 9/10 if I get unlucky

[empty jewel]

So something like this?

[trail oracle]

Yep, but I suggest building it when you can farm 3 matrix modules

[empty jewel]

Yeah. I'm farming hell 3 for those rn but I only have it at 1 star clear

[empty jewel]

Gonna take a while to level these up

[slate nymph]

yea the costs should be reduced it is insane

do I want 1 more effect acc piece or a survivability piece?

[unkempt tartan]

what’s the requirements n things I needa know to do for Hoyan Inferno with Obol Fangus Ssania and Val?

[trail oracle]

Obol should be slightly slower than hoyan
Fangus should be slightly slower than Obol
Ssania slower than fangus

I think hoyan is 240-245 speed, so make obol 235-239, this also makes sure that obol is not fast enough to overtake the ads on turn 2

[serene cypress]

i think hoyan is like 244 spd

[vapid coral]

whats the skill prioity order for ssania?

[boreal briar]

S1 only

[boreal briar]

One thing you do need to know is that it will never be 100% clear

Cause you can miss a bunch of DoT and end up failing the run

[jagged kindle]

Does Holden need to be fast for inferno clears?

[serene cypress]

for terror, should be 265+

[jagged kindle]

Sheeeeesh thanks lol

[boreal briar]

You don't need to outspeed terror for reliable clears as long as you are tanky enough

Mine is 240 and it works

@jagged kindle ^

Also the most reliable speed tuning I've found for SHoyan Inferno is everyone (DoT units) above 245 and below 250

Obol can be 250

Obol first Fangus then SSania

This guaranteeds you extend all the debuffs you apply and thus maximum explosion on SSania

With this speed tune SSania doesn't really need another codex

But some runs the mobs just literally resist every debuff you try to land

I have 260 fucking % eff acc

And I can miss the stun on Obol

[unkempt tartan]

yeah I’m so confused because I have 240 but still get resisted

I heard he’s getting nerfed?

[somber island]

eff is capped at double

and the lest you get is 50% of value

in this game

which means

if a buff has 100% chance to land

having 100000% eff you still only have upward of 200% chance to land

while even enemy having 10000% resist you still have 50% chance to land

aka debuffs broken

ignoring the base 10%

[jagged kindle]

but 200% chance to land... means it will for sure land right? lol

[somber island]

theres a base 10% chance to resist

its better on units like holden that hits multiple time to garentee debuffs

but for units that only debuff 1 time, like heinrich, that means 10% of time it will fail

[jagged kindle]

Thanks thats what I thought haha. I appreciate your answering though. Gotta figure out how to get sets to farm harder content