Shadow Buff Terrormaton and Aurora.

[copper nexus]

it doesn't change the fact that their communicaiton is bad, and their developer team is absolutely incompetent

People used these strategies in beta

its not new

[weak basin]

Nope. only the ones provided by doki were undispellable

[dense field]

Part of the poor communication is that people have no idea which buff was changed lmao

[weak basin]

the main minion self buff are now undispellable after the fix

[dark mortar]

it was the revenge buff,,

[weak basin]

yeah the blue thing here

[dark mortar]

yea that one

[weak basin]

technically nurfing heinrich but I dont think people were using heinrich in this fight

[atomic yew]

so glad I charge backed and just started as f2p on s3 lol

it just keeps getting worse

[dark mortar]

do you go to your bank ? or how do you do it

[atomic yew]

yup just old my bank what happened, and included all the screen shots of these forums, reddit, cm responses and they were like okay we got you.

[primal hare]

Do you have these screenshots still saved in one space . . . ? 😂

[civic stag]

First time to see a CC confront this issue
https://youtu.be/OfQ5qn_5UKA

[weak basin]

Hes not partnered

[civic stag]

I see, so that's why lol

[prisma orbit]

its mtashed....

[civic stag]

Is he wrong though?

[prisma orbit]

its not a nerf, its a boss buff

the unit is still good

[sinful topaz]

I see, I thought you guys were refering to the Frenzy buff that gives attack from Dokidoki because I heard from Xiada players that they could remove yellow buffs sometimes
That goes to show how just how awful their communication is again because we can't even understand the change just from reading their patch notes
Still like the game but it's sad to see how they are tearing down players trust for no reason and the only one we can talk to is c who seems just as confused as we are half the time lol

[prisma orbit]

just in other content now

[stuck delta]

mtashed also will always say "im never playing gachas again"

and does so 2 weeks later

[weak basin]

yep, idk what xiada player is removing those yellow buffs XDDDD

[sinful topaz]

Yep if it actually happened it was a bug that's what I thought you were talking about

[weak basin]

100%. The ones they "fixed" were always dispellable

and theres no text to see that they weren't

[prisma orbit]

i put the open beta photo and the photo of now after update showing what they changed in the thread i created

[weak basin]

actually can click buff

hold up

[prisma orbit]

for doki doki boss

[sinful topaz]

Again I don't mind it if Xiada is still viable (she's still undisputed best sustained aoe dps) but them not properly communicating what was changed is the problem

[primal hare]

While there is still so much outrage over the Aurora change, this DokiDoki “bug fix” feels absolutely tone deaf and hilariously terrible.

Like, they haven’t even addressed the first problem they created adequately—other than promising to communicate better—and then they do it again.

[stuck delta]

because it is

they literally dont give a fuck about you or me or anyone

ive said this repeatedly

their goal is to make the progression process take as long as possible and when someone finds a possible advantage it is gone

[weak basin]

anyone have a pic of the enemy formation list with the dokidoki fight?

pre patch

[sharp goblet]

changing the characters without being able to do respect breaks the confidence in the company, what do I do now with what I invested in Veronika s3 Mia s3 and Cachi [The Guard] s3 in the immortality team ?

[dark mortar]

volkin gacha showed his run on yesterday stream. Its just a video of it. But you can see the revenge buff there

[weak basin]

on yt?

[dark mortar]

yes yt

[weak basin]

im not talking about that

I can see that anywhere

Mean this

there was one dude that came close but did it on the first wave only

[copper nexus]

honestly i've come to the conclusion that

they just need a translator

part of me relaly does believe

its not that theyre tone deaf

but literally deaf

as in

the same words that we are speaking out

doesn't enter their ears

LOL

[dark mortar]

yea unfortunately I dont have it.

[dark mortar]

But you can see the blue revenge buff in this too.

[weak basin]

I know that but if it was meant to be undisspellable then it would show in the text

just checking if they straight up changed the text

[dark mortar]

yeaa,,

dang,

surely someone out there has it

[grand vapor]

Damn the threads are mixing

[solid harness]

Did they shadow buff Terrormaton again? I went from being able to do Hell 2, to not being able to over night lol

Haven't changed any modules or shells

[weak basin]

Don’t think so

Today was doki

Could just be that you missed a crit

[solid harness]

It's mostly that my healer Linglou is just dying a lot faster. Which is strange because she was doing fine a few days ago

[dense field]

to be fair, Lingluo has type disadvantage, of course she's going to get slapped in Terror Hell

[solid harness]

Yeah I went into that knowing that, but again, I went from beating it like twenty times in a row to not being able to beat it at all now lol

[dark mortar]

honestly maybe you swap your shell or something. I didnt notice any changes for me at all

[faint zenith]

RNG on targeting can be a pain

[foggy cliff]

Honestly, Shadow Sania keeps some of her value due to Inferno Shells content
Well, NicoNico Inferno... The others too hard to beat now
EVERY clear under 1.5 min is using her. The absolute next fastest is 4 minutes

Every other team uses SS

[autumn plaza]

GIVE US FREE RESETS YOU COWARDS

[rich granite]

Most if not all of this is manual play though

[foggy cliff]

Mines auto

[rich granite]

Very nice

[foggy cliff]

I haven't looked to see what is manual... Except the crazy ones like level 1 Shadow Sania no Lattice

Or the one no-Lily run

Tbf this list is also of record speed speers which technically are faster if you manual. Now if these people can auto is a different question

My auto has a 80-90% success rate from what I see

Nico hits damn hard now and the stuns are insane

I think my 49 sec clear was manual too but my real runs use a healer and are 1:02 - 1:30

[weak basin]

Grandy strikes again

Holy I should have only invested in these 4 units hahaha

[merry spear]

Not having a speed buffer makes me feel crippled

[past crystal]

what shell are you using on her?

and whats the turn order on your team looking like

[boreal umbra]

obviously the 2 new characters every 12 days

https://tenor.com/view/rage-red-stocks-crash-stocks-crashing-downwards-gif-17056650

[oak void]

im hearing that devs mentioned aurora was suposed to be immune to dots/all debuffs, like during one of the betas

well before launch

anyone happen to know when/where this was mentioned?

[weak basin]

Idk about the other betas but dot was viable in aurora for at least 2 betas before launch

There’s a speed team video with ssania on aurora

Also no clue what test server the ccs were on after the beta ended but it was viable on there too

[flat anchor]

Wow lol

Is Sania there for the revive?

[weak basin]

No clue

[flat anchor]

I'm asuming that's it

not that double heal is bad but it's probably some kind of build about abusing Massiah invincibility, Lingluo immunity and Sania revive

[weak basin]

Probably right

I need to use it for the first clear before they do another hotfix

[astral sinew]

At this point I think it's one of those situations where the devs just let time pass until people forget about the problem.

[flat anchor]

"Fixed a bug were Massiah could become invincible after using S3"

"Fixed a bug were Lingluo applied Immunity"

[flat anchor]

aint nobody forgetting this

[weak basin]

“Fixed bug that allowed players to clear Inferno”

[astral sinew]

As long as there is no real backlash, there will be no compensation beyond the most corpo communication you will ever read in your life.

[foggy cliff]

Halloween on her, tbh shells don't matter much as long as your team is on maxed red shells

I like Gigabyte though

[ashen token]

At this point they’ve seen the problem and they just don’t care. Either quit or move on. They aren’t gonna fix anything and will keep changing the game as they please which is clearly proven by what they did in the maintenance. Nothing we can do but chargeback and make new accounts or quit completely. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[boreal umbra]

I found our savior! Chaki will get us through terror ez

skills 455 diting and 141 beyontin

[weak basin]

So ssania is bis for terror, nikonana? Then good for dokidoki Hoyan?

[stuck delta]

alright who has done febian ember trek

whats the gimmick here

[last temple]

Boys

After the last hotfix

It seems DOT works on Sharon

[livid rampart]

What

[short bay]

on the shell boss ya

[rich granite]

Breaking the game when they try to fix the game lol

[short bay]

but not on the ember trek version

[last temple]

Yeah on Shell

[short bay]

its so fucking whacky

[last temple]

That's weird

Was it like this before do you know?

[livid rampart]

I don't think anyone ever tried

[short bay]

I dont believe so but I have no way to verify or prove that

[last temple]

I see

[livid rampart]

Or maybe they have I dunno

[last temple]

I only figured this out cause I use Fangus as main dps

Lmfao

[short bay]

same my crit fangus was dotting as of yesterday and I was confused

seems they just fucked up who has which version of Will Field

[last temple]

Really?

Interesting

[last temple]

Possibly

So it's not from the hotfix last night then

[short bay]

maybe even just who has which tooltip of which will field, too lol

[livid rampart]

Clown shoes devs

[last temple]

But seanb had a video with the #1 player and his fangus didn't apply DoT

Yesterday

[livid rampart]

Stop being lazy and just rework dot

[last temple]

Wait it did

They didn't even notice

???

This seems to be an actual bug then

[short bay]

I think everyones just given up caring. Whatever happens happens stockholm syndrome we just live with what we get

[last temple]

Yeah

Also any DoT applier seems to work, just tested with S Sania

So it's not a fangus bug

[livid rampart]

Unless it affects their ratings or bottom line they don't gaf

[torpid vine]

I am surprised they didnt just lower the dot damage (2/3% and then have the dots also do bonus attack damage) ofc they cant crit or anything. The reason for the bonus attack damage is for non boss mobs so they can be killed a lil bit faster.

[last temple]

Mhm

I mean dots are kinda weird to balance

They're already being outperformed at 4%

If it had some kind of scaling maybe

Like if they went the route of lowering it but giving it an attack and then gave it scaling

That could be an okay way

[torpid vine]

i think it was overperforming for bosses and underperforming for others. I mean they could also do a simple 3 fold (4% max of 250% of attack) + 70%/85%/100% attack (using latt in upgrading skills). Reason for 250% is that it keeps it similar to crit damage.

[last temple]

Hmm

Yeah

I could kinda see it

Although S Sania would need to be reworked for that I believe

Fangus would be great for that

[last temple]

I mean DoT isn't overperforming compared to the best teams atm either

But if they decide to change it either I wouldn't fault em much

[torpid vine]

If i recall each dot is its own debuff instance so once the dot is applied it stores the current attack then it should be okay. I do have to look at ssania again tho but i doubt this would happen anyways

[last temple]

Yeah each one seems to be its own instance

Because they're applied seperately

So when they get extended by S Sania, they don't all explode without her ult/s3

[torpid vine]

so without atk buffs she has 1233 atk so base with nothing attached she can do a max of 3082.5 + 1233 = 4315.5 (they probably floor) so 4315. And like i said this is maxed with nothing on her.

and at 100% damage

[last temple]

Hmm

Is that per stack?

[torpid vine]

yeah

[last temple]

Ngl

If proper invested

That might be stronger than current dot

[torpid vine]

not against bosses

[last temple]

True

She would become ad clearer

[torpid vine]

yup

[last temple]

So new Doki meta

[torpid vine]

still would be helpful for bosses tho

[last temple]

Kinda not really

[last temple]

Yeah

For sure

Well Fangus would be great for bosses in that instance too

He's already pretty good

[torpid vine]

yeah you just have to apply more dots ofc and depends on his attack power.

[last temple]

Yeah

You would have to find the perfect balance of eff acc and atk for him it seems

[torpid vine]

Also that will mean instead of just getting hp and ea they would need to also decide for atk

[last temple]

Yeah

Although at the same time even if that happened

Still why run that over Diting

Now that would be great for pvp I bet

With his ult

[torpid vine]

id have to do some other calcs about that which would take much longer.

cuz his also would scale with def

[last temple]

That's fair

[last temple]

Hmm

[torpid vine]

def-

for bosses

[last temple]

Oh yeah

[torpid vine]

mine wouldnt

it would inflicted the true damage so only buff that would help with dots would be atk+

[last temple]

Yep

That makes sense

Honestly this version of DoT kinda sounds like the bleed from Oboro doesn't it?

Although bleed scales a lot lower and less applied

[torpid vine]

Never heard of oboro lol

[last temple]

Oh lmfao

She's the only bleed unit, but bleed does an instance of 50% attack from the inflicter

I haven't played around with her enough to know the specifics

[torpid vine]

let me see diting basic attack power

[torpid vine]

1719 not buffed.

[last temple]

With no gear

Yeah

[torpid vine]

182

cdamage

we just going to say he will crit 100% of the time

i dont know if there is a max crit damage tho

[last temple]

Doesn't seem like it

[torpid vine]

lets give him 300-400 cdmg? sounds reasonable?

we will do low first

[last temple]

It's speculated to be 450% max, but uncomfirmed

[last temple]

Yeah that's fair

That's around the max Ditings right now

Afaik

[rich granite]

Guys don’t worry Diting falls off hard end game 😆

[torpid vine]

5157 crit with no def calculations so true damage

[torpid vine]

most likely due to defense

[last temple]

The joke is Diting doesn't actually fall off

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

[torpid vine]

lmao xD

[last temple]

He only gets stronger

[rich granite]

Defense down + good shell investment it shouldn’t matter. The joke is he doesn’t fall off but so many people are saying he does

[last temple]

Is it possible to use this Diting

This is the fastest clearing Inferno Terror Diting

[rich granite]

But he literally will keep getting better as we optimize builds

[last temple]

Every crit rate over 100% is converted to crit damage at 150% ratio, and when his passive is active he gets 60% extra crit rate

[torpid vine]

so guessing its 137 + 36 * 12% after

err

(1195 + 2111) * (137 + 20 + 150 + 36) * .12

[last temple]

Mhm

[torpid vine]

3306 * 343 * 1.12

1,133,958 * 1.12

1,270,032 (floor)

[last temple]

Owch

[torpid vine]

if i recall that fury does

12 final damage?

also ill exclude the final damage they probably have on their pet

[last temple]

12% increase

[rich granite]

Wow that’s uh… really good

Yeah with the mark buff on diting my in battle diting has 411% crit damage

[last temple]

And moment goes up to 36% damage increased when maxed

[torpid vine]

yeah i assumed it was maxed

[last temple]

But he's running 12 keeneye instead

[torpid vine]

actually i fucked up it does more

[last temple]

So it's crit damage + 18%, then a 25% bonus on his first hit, 15% on second hit, 5% on third hit (Diting can hit 3 times when maxed)

[rich granite]

Yeah he isn’t even running momentum

[last temple]

Yep

So just calc fury + keeneye

[torpid vine]

(110 + 10 - 100) * 1.5 which is

oh keen eye is that so yeah that is more

one moment will right something quick in code to calculate this

[weak basin]

WE ARE SO BACK LOL

[last temple]

Alright

[last temple]

Yep lmfaoo

[torpid vine]

ATK = 3306
TOTAL CRIT DAMAGE = 317
TOTAL DMG = 3306 * 317 * 1.36 * 1.12
TOTAL DMG = 1596316

1.36 for momentum

1.12 for fury

[last temple]

Mhm

We can run the momentum calc

[torpid vine]

its already in there

[last temple]

Oh yeah

[torpid vine]

hmm cant be right its 1 + 317 / 100

[last temple]

Hm

[torpid vine]

Dafuq are they doing with percentage.

cuz 10 damage at 100% crit damage would be 20, 200% = 30 and 300% = 40... right?

[last temple]

Hmm

Yes

That should be how it's calc'd

That would make the most sense... howeverr

[torpid vine]

ATK = 3306
TOTAL CRIT DAMAGE = 3.17
TOTAL DMG = 3306 * 3.17 * 1.36 * 1.12
TOTAL DMG = 20998

[last temple]

Yeah it can't be percentage

It has to be a multiplier

[torpid vine]

but i bet that account hit way more than 21k

[last temple]

Oh yeah

[torpid vine]

oh wait i didnt calculate the 60% crit rate passive

ATK = 3306
TOTAL CRIT DAMAGE = 4.07
TOTAL DMG = 3306 * 4.07 * 1.36 * 1.12
TOTAL DMG = 25530

[last temple]

Even still

I mean with defense debuff maybe

[torpid vine]

this actually might be right due to def- atk+ crit+ missing

[last temple]

But this is a Diting that isn't as built

[torpid vine]

yeah nvm it cant be

[last temple]

It could be

[torpid vine]

you have any debuffs?

or buffs?

[last temple]

Diting here has atk+

And that

So it could be buffs and debuffs

I think are missing

[torpid vine]

okay then lets get back to saying that it does 25k avg (which we know isnt true) youd need how many dots lol

[last temple]

It was like 4k per dot you said?

[torpid vine]

yeah about 4.3k

[last temple]

So around 6

[torpid vine]

yeah lol

[rich granite]

Aren’t you guys basically just designing the bleeds that are already in the game…

[torpid vine]

No we are calculating something

we already know they are in the game

[last temple]

But it won't be enhanced by def-

[torpid vine]

yeah nether was this

25k "true damage"

[last temple]

Yeah

[torpid vine]

still you are right not worth it lol

it would need something like 400% to even come close lol

oh wait

we did that with the best

with ssania with nothing

[last temple]

Yeah

[torpid vine]

put 100% more atk dmg (2 nodes)

8.5k per dot

[last temple]

It would require some testing

[torpid vine]

yeah it would

[last temple]

But it probably wouldn't be too terrible

[torpid vine]

yeah xD sorry for everyone else getting spamming in this chat lol

[last temple]

No worries

It's pretty on topic imo

Considering it's regarding the units in question

[frosty trench]

Devs fking up the Game pretty Hard. Ngl

[prisma chasm]

Let's see if rimolcha's splash damage was a bug too so they will fix it 💀

[terse cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEPqEEE7O1g

[placid raft]

Finally some CCs covering this properly, this is BS and the silence from XD is unacceptable

[foggy cliff]

Let's go, add the pressure

[uneven pine]

it's pretty annoying that diting is sitting around clearing everything as a 4 star

but when shadow sania does it she gets nerfed to the ground

no one even mentions her massive speed nerf

in the beta she was the second fastest unit in the game, 1 speed behind kloss

[last temple]

Do you have a screenshot of that

[uneven pine]

now she's LITERALLY THE SLOWEST SSR in the game.

[uneven pine]

no, but it's common knowledge of anyone who played and tracked speed stats

prydwen keeps a record

I also had her in beta, and have her now

[foggy cliff]

Oh daaaamn

[last temple]

This is a screenshot from beta

105 still.

[foggy cliff]

Tbf we run her with Lily so who cares how slow she is

[last temple]

https://youtu.be/r8o1NdrPEmM?t=23487

6:31:27

So her base speed was not changed from the beta

[uneven pine]

not everyone has lily

[last temple]

True, I don't have Lily though so I use Cachi

[foggy cliff]

True, there's that one guildie that cleared Nico Inferno with Shadow Sania and no Lily LOL

[uneven pine]

I stand corrected - my mistake, I just trusted prydwen's numbers, maybe she got nerfed before the last beta

[foggy cliff]

I haven't really seen her as that viable without Lily tbh

[last temple]

That may be possible, no worries though 🙂

[foggy cliff]

Cause Lily doubles Shadow Sanias presence

[last temple]

Oh yeah Lily causes her viability to rise tons

[uneven pine]

I use her with Fangus

how does Lily's ai targeting work for twin?

[foggy cliff]

Just have SS have highest atk

[uneven pine]

gotcha

[foggy cliff]

Which isn't too hard

[uneven pine]

yeah that's easy enough to rig

[last temple]

Yep

[foggy cliff]

Her atk is high non DPS

[last temple]

Now we just gotta pull Lily

[foggy cliff]

And she builds high S1

[uneven pine]

fingers crossed we get lily's banner tomorrow

[last temple]

Unfortunately no LD banner

[foggy cliff]

I do think once her skillups are. high and you have access to magic codex, she gets close to Lily supported level

But it's a high investment

[uneven pine]

yeah, she just requires 5/5/5

[last temple]

Yep she requires big investment to big near having lily support level

[uneven pine]

meanwhile diting is doing her job at discount prices

[last temple]

At the bare minimum she needs s1 max without Lily to get anywhere near as effective

[foggy cliff]

Honestly her 3rd skill kinda garbage but maybe it makes sense when cd lower. I basically just use it to end the fight...

[last temple]

If they revert the Aurora change in some capacity, even if DoT is weaker to Aurora I'll invest into S Sania S1

But as it stands, I'm waiting for a character that'll be useful

[foggy cliff]

Cause you want to use S2 often to amp up current dots

[foggy cliff]

Oh for sure

[uneven pine]

between her and fangus, you just need them both on codex and it's gg

[foggy cliff]

Fangus double S3 and Lily double S3 = GG. Maybe add in Beyontin for another Lily S3 lol

[thorn drum]

Xidia got needed as well rip

[foggy cliff]

But yeah I think I'll need a bunch of people 6* to reliaby clear Terror Infeno

[last temple]

These are from my EU account, unfortunately no LD 😦

[foggy cliff]

It hits way too hard

[last temple]

Account started late, so it still has Freya lmao

[foggy cliff]

And we lose a support because we need to make room for stripper

[uneven pine]

oh that's brutal, no LD banner at all?

[last temple]

Nope

I mean there's the random LD one

But that's it

[foggy cliff]

Reruns might have been nice but new LD too soon would be terrible for pacing lol

[last temple]

Yeah

They might be saving reruns

For after this

[uneven pine]

I guess.

[foggy cliff]

Kloss when

[uneven pine]

well, it sort of makes sense

they only want 2 banners at a time.

[last temple]

Cause they're dropping two characters

[foggy cliff]

I somehow am making through everything without Kloss but like damn

Diting Kloss is so crazy

[last temple]

Yeah

Also guys, Fangus on golden lion could be some kinda tech

Since his S1 does proc the effect from golden lion

It's nice

[foggy cliff]

Codex allows 2 S3s though

[willow wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfQ5qn_5UKA

[last temple]

Well yeah Codex is best shell for him

[willow wraith]

not a fan of mtashed but atleast he covered it too

[foggy cliff]

Let's goooo

[foggy cliff]

Same, quite happy people picking it up and not just us

[last temple]

Why are they all coming out after the Xiada change instead of the DoT change

[willow wraith]

its unfortante, but people usually only care when it affects them, not saying this is entirely the case, but more units getting nerfed is going to make even more of the player base pissed

[last temple]

Yeah

Fair

I guess Xiada was more accessible to a lot more people

[willow wraith]

yeah she is hot and people wanted to use her plus rgb, its kinda like how little veronika is getting talked about compared to xiada when its a literal direct nerf

[last temple]

Yeah

[sudden kelp]

Does keen eye actually work with DoT?

[last temple]

Veronika should be talked about, cause hers is an actual nerf disguised as a fix

[last temple]

No, Drak ran that just for the extra DPS

Because it was his immortal team

So any bit of DPS was nice

[willow wraith]

i dont even know how they'd twist veronika as a fix

[last temple]

I don't know

There was no indication that said it shouldn't be extendable

https://imgur.com/a/u9gPgyW

That's pre nerf

Literally 6 days ago

[willow wraith]

veronika is actually the first character that got nerfed that wasnt inticated by any launch changes, i understand a lot of us are pissed by the beta to launch changes, but she wasn't correct even before

[last temple]

Yep

[willow wraith]

i understand chris seems to be a fan of diting, but this really begs the question of a diting nerf with the direction they are going

[foggy cliff]

Yeah, you can honestly come up with excuses for all the others even if it's not the most defensible argument

But not Veronica

[last temple]

He did say that Diting won't be nerfed, but who knows

Maybe the devs decide that his S3 is 'bugged' and has a little too much damage

[foggy cliff]

Hope not I just invested in him lol

I will say, his clearing power in insane

[last temple]

Oh yeah for sure

[foggy cliff]

"Follow up attack should not benefit from S2"

[last temple]

He's literally the best single target DPS in the game right now

[last temple]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

[willow wraith]

i mean diting is a tough one because he is just good at damage its a little harder to "bug fix" him but they seem to want to eliminate cheese

[last temple]

Yeah

[foggy cliff]

He's also balanced by severely lacking AoE

[willow wraith]

absolutely

[last temple]

I mean he doesn't need much AoE when he can almost one tap most ads anyway

[foggy cliff]

Massiah S2 is kinda comparable to Diting (but falls short) but his S3 is bonkers good. Literally one taps some PvP teams

[last temple]

Yeah

Massiah is definitely insane for sure

There's a reason he first cleared most content (with Lily, but still)

[foggy cliff]

Diting gives him a run for his money there though

[last temple]

Yep

He does

[foggy cliff]

But yeah the invincibility also helps a ton with survival

[willow wraith]

the veronika nerf 100% contradicts chris' statement on buffs/nerfs only talking place at end of pvp seasons and being based on pvp

[foggy cliff]

Diting is so yolo LOL

[last temple]

Only Inferno teams are still Diting Khloros

I don't know if DoT can't do it yet, or if everyone gave up on DoT

[foggy cliff]

Poor Chris basically had to take a mental break with all the issues

But it's the devs fault tbh

[willow wraith]

chris seems like a good dude, i understand stepping back a little when you literally can't help much

[foggy cliff]

What are these bad decisions lmao

[last temple]

Yeah

[foggy cliff]

Yeah after Shadow Sania literally slightly calmed down they drop Doki and Veronika

[last temple]

I don't have a screenshot on hand, but I remember Chris saying something about emergency nerfs when something was too strong or cheesy or something

I've been trying to find it but I can't

[foggy cliff]

He didn't even bother trying to defend Doki and Veronika changes

[willow wraith]

i personally didnt see that, i just saw him say nerfs and buffs were intended to be mostly pvp oriented

[last temple]

He said this too

[last temple]

I mean, it's hard to defend the Veronika change as a 'bugfix'

[willow wraith]

i heavily disagree things being nerfed based on those metrics

everyone that clears in 1-2mins is cheese or op

[last temple]

Yeah

[willow wraith]

its just extremely arbitrary to say i dont like this team so nerf it, but i do like this team

the reality is this really hits a lot of players at this point and people are scared it'll hit more

[safe sinew]

The thing is players are scared to built that whatever they try to build next might get nerfed

And there are no resets also

[last temple]

Yeah

[willow wraith]

we have dot team hit, invincible teams hit, xiada teams hit. what percent of the playerbase actually did none of these

[safe sinew]

F2p can't even achieve these three teams

[willow wraith]

its more whats the likelihood a player did one of these

[safe sinew]

Shadow sania lovers already saying no matter how much terra gets buffed they clear

At a point they can limit dot damage also

[last temple]

I will say this is quite contradictory regarding S Sania changes

[willow wraith]

like Sania teams was probably like 5-10%, then you get these other teams in the mix you might be talking about 20-30%

[last temple]

Considering 30s clear with DoT is only possible with codex

[willow wraith]

i disagreed with chris, but at the same time he isnt making these changes and i personally don't believe he caused them

[last temple]

Yeah

Oh yeah I for sure

I don't blame him for it

[safe sinew]

Chris is stuck in their basement cell

[last temple]

But some of the things he said..

[willow wraith]

yeah its cringe

[safe sinew]

He is saying what the script they gave sadly

[last temple]

Lmfao yeah

[last temple]

The script was pretty rough

[gleaming swan]

chris is being held at a gun point guys

[last temple]

Should iron it out

[safe sinew]

Jack is the guy behind all this

[last temple]

I believe this

[safe sinew]

He is ripping every unit like jack the ripper

[willow wraith]

i mean its like who made the reddit post

[safe sinew]

I don't know what XD team is doing

They are saying XD to us with all this

[foggy cliff]

Yup it's super damn hard to defend that. We minimally need 1 reset ticket

I honestly don't know who I'll reset though

[gleaming swan]

i don't really blame comm team tbh, it's all on devs' side

[last temple]

1 reset ticket atp is way too little..

[safe sinew]

Atleast give 1 free reset per week

[foggy cliff]

Shadow Sania has a use again farming Nico Inferno

[last temple]

Yeah

[foggy cliff]

Minimum.

[safe sinew]

In weekly rewards

[foggy cliff]

Should have 3 imo

[safe sinew]

Of quests

[last temple]

True, but honestly I'll take anything atp

[foggy cliff]

But I'd understand 1 reset ticket cause of Veronika

[last temple]

Yeah that's true

[willow wraith]

So, strugglebusses talked about how bad sword of convallaria was managed but ill be real i played that and it was nowhere near as bad to me

[last temple]

I'm curious why that is

[foggy cliff]

Kinda wild the next fastest clear is 4 min vs 1.5

[last temple]

Yeah

That is

But that's with Rosa

Hmm

Diting could probably take it to maybe a 2

But he might be too squishy?

[foggy cliff]

No, hits too hard and is too tanky

[willow wraith]

the thing is that feels brainless is sania is low investment

[last temple]

Hm

[foggy cliff]

Nico hits crazy hard now

Diting literally will be one shot

[last temple]

Damn

[willow wraith]

so other teams will rise, but it takes more time

[last temple]

So it's that rough

[last temple]

Yeah

[foggy cliff]

You also have to remember

The speed mechanic probably more important

[willow wraith]

that was my biggest problem with chris' statement about 30second clears

[foggy cliff]

Rosa works because she brings a speed down

[last temple]

For sure

[last temple]

Yeah

[foggy cliff]

And Rosa has turn meter control

[last temple]

That's why Marvell is on every DoT team

[foggy cliff]

So you can mitigate a good amount of Nico damage

[last temple]

I don't have Marvell.. I might be cooked for Nico Inferno lmao

[foggy cliff]

The guy who cleared this was doing Lily tank and 3 blue units

[last temple]

I don't have Viper either

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

Or Lily

[foggy cliff]

Tbf

[odd berry]

[foggy cliff]

I think Inferno content is expected to use 6*s

[last temple]

Yeah

[willow wraith]

dw lily will get nerfed

[foggy cliff]

With high levels

[last temple]

Probably

[foggy cliff]

And mythic gear +15

[last temple]

I would literally be surprised if she doesn't when the next balance notes come

[foggy cliff]

I mean, y'all gonna see crazy controversy if they do nerf her

[last temple]

Yeah

[foggy cliff]

So many rerolled for her

[last temple]

For sure

[willow wraith]

its kinda like they aren't taking any of the info from e7

they want to be too proactive with this shit

[desert ridge]

I mean yeah he wants the clicks

[last temple]

If only they were more clear with it

[willow wraith]

being more clear would be good, but after the beta it seems they dont wanna do slight nerfs they wanna gut

[terse cypress]

only way she got nerfed is if they release an even more broken support ld

[minor crown]

drag em

[willow wraith]

not that chris is the end all be all, but he seemed to think certain characters would get nerfed in the upcoming patches

[last temple]

Some characters are definitely overperforming

Chris said Diting won't get nerfed, but he can literally one shot anyone

In PVP

And he said balancing would be geared towards pvp

[willow wraith]

its also like where is the kloss nerf then

[last temple]

Yep

[willow wraith]

not that i want that but its so bias

[last temple]

It is

Like I love Kloss, but she is definitely very strong

[willow wraith]

like the thing is the game launched in a pretty good state, but we handicap a bunch of units, but dont nerf people that are basically their equals??

[last temple]

Not even their equals, DoT was restricted in other content that the other big DPS (Diting/Massiah) aren't

Such as union bosses for a big example

PT

[magic wind]

Rather than nerf Kloss I would rather they buff other characters we need more usable character rather than more less useful ones

[willow wraith]

yeah absolutely

[last temple]

Dahlia (doesn't say though)

[frosty trench]

they should just stop nerf PVE heroes

its absolut retarded

[last temple]

Sharon (she's bugged and can be dotted in shell fight)

Those are the ones I can name off the top of my head

Some ember trek bosses can't be dotted either

[willow wraith]

i agree i only bring up other characters because they don't touch some of the more broken character, but balance niche characters

[last temple]

All of that content you can use the other DPS

[magic wind]

Hundred 100% none of the nerfs they made since after launch to characters have been good meanwhile instead we have no more characters that are becoming less and less useable limiting our choice more and more rather than expanding them

[terse cypress]

can we all agree that dot just make any content easier ?

they coulda lower the %health or cap it based on units stat

[willow wraith]

DoT should make content easier what the fuck is the point of it otherwise

[terse cypress]

but nah

[terse cypress]

as it stand, dot is overtuned imho

[willow wraith]

DoT is overtuned, but thats thier fault

[foggy cliff]

If Lily is nerfed it will be in the extend CD on enemies

[last temple]

I would agree for this, if not for the existance of Massiah (granted he's LD and needs heavy investment) and Diting.

[terse cypress]

any end game content can be easily bypassed by dot

[foggy cliff]

Honestly I think it's Lily's fault

[terse cypress]

ignoring mechanics

[magic wind]

They should have just made dot be based on Effect Accuracy, HP and ATK so people still need to farm multiple stats to build

[frosty trench]

If they keep nerfing everything, they will nerf their playerbase also

[last temple]

This is true too

[willow wraith]

sure ill agree lily makes it much worse

[terse cypress]

already did

i've seen too many people quit the game

[foggy cliff]

She works way too well with SS

[frosty trench]

yea i noticed some too

[last temple]

Yeah there's been a lot of pressing issues recently

Like people being double charged

[willow wraith]

but hard content shouldnt be forced, it should be tackled because you want to tackle it not because the devs force every strat they deem unfair to not exist

[last temple]

Idk if that's true, but I have seen quite a few people say they've been charged twice

[foggy cliff]

Happened to guildie

It's cause game backend is too slow

[last temple]

Oof

[foggy cliff]

Well the payment processing part

[magic wind]

Straight up my union lost like a third of its original members from them quitting the game we refilled the slots but none the less this is a bad sign and honestly every few days we see another person leave by the way the original members where basically all beta playes meaning the drove of players that where exited

[willow wraith]

like in e7 specter tenebria was good for a very long time for hard pve content, but who cares.

if you dont have her figure it out

[foggy cliff]

Yup we lost peeps too and we on basically one of the top 10 (well three guilds fighting for fighting for the 10th spot and we one of em)

[storm bluff]

u aware on the new hot topic aswell? hoyan doesnt ignore defense :DD https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1383335592355434608

[willow wraith]

to be fair we knew hoyan was being changed unless i misunderstand this

[last temple]

Oh yeah

Yeah we knew she would be changed

But they released the cbt video like 4 times

Just reuploading it

[willow wraith]

which is 100% lazy and dumb

[last temple]

I have no idea why they would

Yep

[willow wraith]

its like a sliding scale of dogshit

we knew hoyan would change but they communicate like shit

[foggy cliff]

Are they fucking kidding me

3rd controversy

[last temple]

Yep

All due to communication

[magic wind]

Man since the release the devs have done nothing but screw up in every way possible

[last temple]

So much could be avoided

[willow wraith]

i wouldn't doubt at all the staff here have basically heard nothing

[woven coyote]

XD is really speedrunning the game downfall

[storm bluff]

and especially uploading the trailer with her (old) kit shown nd being siad that she ignores DEF 2 days before banner release and then actual kit is completely different - wild

[last temple]

Yep

[last temple]

The funniest part was the first two times they uploaded it, it still said CBT at the end

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

[willow wraith]

its just really incompetent

[celest lily]

And xiada not being able to steal the buff in dokidoki from the middle boss is just unreasonable

[willow birch]

good devs to worst devs speed run and your against ER devs

[frail cape]

This 100%

[storm bluff]

u havent built Rimolcha like we intended u to? hm, lets stop u right there xd

[quaint jasper]

When people ask me what the best part of Etheria Restart is, a lot of people will say the gameplay, the characters, etc. For me, the best part of Etheria Restart is all this drama

[frail cape]

Which also really sucks for them too

[celest lily]

They are changing the game around to screw the characters over they tıp toeing around

[magic wind]

Yeah I was orignally playing to pull Hoyan but the change to her skill made me loss interest increase in atk instead of ignore defence is a massive difference if the ignore defence was to much they could have just reduced the % of the reduction instead of remove it entirely and replace it

[willow wraith]

the thing is i dont mind changes like that, but resets should be for all theses character they are changing. Sania atleast should of been buffed because she is an LD5

[dusk dust]

Kinda scary to pull things when you don't know when things will get shadow nerfed

[foggy cliff]

Til your waifu gets hit

[willow birch]

*sips tea

[celest lily]

Idk man I played dislyte it’s somehow better than is which is crazy to say

[willow wraith]

another big part of this is what was the point of the betas

[last temple]

True, there were multiple betas just to... make all these changes on launch?

[foggy cliff]

They had to rely on furies for survival so good luck to ER

[frail cape]

7 days after launch*

[last temple]

Yep

[celest lily]

Yeah god forbid the niche character dot damage does anything

[willow wraith]

like lets be real here all these things existed in the betas

[celest lily]

Real

[magic wind]

Not on lauch after launch after people pulled and build the characters which makes it so much worse

[quaint jasper]

Should've released the game earlier in April so they could play all this drama off as an April Fool's joke huffs copium

[last temple]

Trueee

[last temple]

Yeah it does

[celest lily]

Dot damage in this economy is rough

[last temple]

Especially when leading to the launch, so many people were saying DoT was gonna be the way to build

So if you pull S Sania, you're set

[willow wraith]

now if you pull Sania you should reroll

[last temple]

Even Tsu made a video the day of the DoT nerf about using DoT on Aurora

[willow wraith]

tsu pissed me off with that shit because he downplayed it

[last temple]

Yep, or leave her to rot and then just build Diting

[quaint jasper]

Just like Volkin spent days rerolling for Lily, imagine how the dude who spent days rerolling for Sania gonna feel

[last temple]

Exactly

S Sania was my favorite LD just on design and because I love DoT-type playstyles

But man does it feel bad

[celest lily]

Diting will be on the chopping block soon enough

[willow wraith]

i know people dont want to hear this, but it's true the real problem is people spent for these characters

[quaint jasper]

Tsu's sponsorship definitely in play here. He's willing to tell it like it is in e7 but difference is e7 ain't got him on a contract right now

[violet tundra]

I rolled the 2nd time and got Heinrich and Tiamat, was happy with that. But now, I feel like Lily is hardgating a lot of consistent Hell 4 runs..

[last temple]

Oh yeah

[violet tundra]

Just hoping to pull her

[last temple]

Well, we'll see

[celest lily]

They going to say oh you guy are clearing in 20 seconds? Nah hp increase x20 damage more

[quaint jasper]

Seanb the goat for being a partner but still telling it like it is with his new video

[last temple]

Did he really? That's good

[frail cape]

Seanb the only real one

[last temple]

I have the video to watch after the lck

[willow wraith]

its cowardly not to talk about it, but seanb the goat since SW

[last temple]

Seanb has been awesome to watch so I'm glad he's keepin it real

[quaint jasper]

Seanb also was the one to finally get the devs to clarify dupes do work in RTA so he's basically the community's Jesus Christ

If he keeps going they gonna crucify him and seanb will die for our sins

[last temple]

Oh he did that? That's awesome then

[celest lily]

They haven’t responded to shadow sania nerfs no?

[magic wind]

Yeah its such a crap strategy to change content because people beat it instead of creating a new challenge for players to beat with new weakness, strengths

[last temple]

Nope

It's weekend, so we'll have to wait until atleast Monday

[frail cape]

Nope, apparently their strategy is to cover up old controversies with new ones

[quaint jasper]

Yeah while everyone was unsure or pushing the lie, Seanb directly asked for clarification and his video about that is what really kicked off the whole dupes in rta drama

[willow wraith]

even ydcb was inspired by seanb

[celest lily]

To be real not to shit on them the boss is lame it’s the same thing in dislyte two arms or floating crystals has AP push and if he gets a kill gets another turn

[magic wind]

Nope and I am still pissed even I am starting to feel closer to the edge of quitting like a huge chunk of my unions early members did

[last temple]

W SeanB

[atomic sundial]

@celest lily That's their response to people mad about the nerf acting like the issue they had is that they didn't nerf her sooner

[last temple]

Very interesting strategy

[safe sinew]

YDCB doesn't have time to get involved with this shit sadly he plays a lot of games

[celest lily]

Oh they just called it a bug and ran off

[willow wraith]

i think e7 just killed his interest in this shit

[celest lily]

A bug is dot doing double damage

Not a mechanic

[quaint jasper]

I really feel their strat of sponsoring everyone and their mom wasn't just for advertising but also to get ccs scared to tell it like it is

[last temple]

Possibly

[safe sinew]

Ye he is done with any changes honestly cause he is just a player like us at end of day

[willow wraith]

i agree with that 1000%

[celest lily]

Volkin said he’s gonna speak on it soon

And mrpokke said he don’t fuck with it

[last temple]

If we're lucky maybe even Tectone might watch something about it and since he's popular enough, they might be forced to do some change

[safe sinew]

Never trust pokke bro is a coward don't take his name even

[celest lily]

And I’m pretty sure if it keeps happening they will lose them along with gachasmack he dips on shitty shady shit

[willow wraith]

i hope so, i dont want this game to be screwed but they deserve CCs speaking out

[safe sinew]

Tectone needs to recreate his homa banner record for this

[willow wraith]

xd

[last temple]

Yeah, all of these changes and communication aside, game has been so fun

[celest lily]

How’s tectone reaction to it

[quaint jasper]

All the ccs involved in the upcoming cc tourney should boycott or use the platform to speak up

[celest lily]

Does he even care

[safe sinew]

Even my friend who is a cc is trying

[last temple]

Idk if he even knows

But he would go crazy about these things

[celest lily]

There’s no way he doesn’t

[willow wraith]

tectone on that politic shit atm i guess

[last temple]

Someone has to link it first I think

[quaint jasper]

Let's get these guys to use the tourney to platform our concerns

[last temple]

That would be unfortunate

Considering I feel like Tectone should be one of the first to call this stuff out

[willow wraith]

agreed

[safe sinew]

I think seii and serra will win honestly

[celest lily]

Volkin and gachasmack would move on

[last temple]

I haven't watched them enough, but I know Seii and Serra are playing a lot

[celest lily]

Tectone I have no clue he spent money

Bros a little too invested

[last temple]

Yeah

I think he bought out the whole shop right

Lmfao

[celest lily]

Yeah

[safe sinew]

Volkin will just reroll for another lily

Before leaving

[last temple]

Trueee

[celest lily]

Classic

Bro is struggling while most have lily

[willow wraith]

homie hasnt even pulled a lily lmao

[safe sinew]

He is pulling lily on every server

Possible

That game has to offer

[willow wraith]

i haven't seen him pull one

[safe sinew]

He did

2

[willow wraith]

okay didnt see

[safe sinew]

Now it's his 4 th attempt

[celest lily]

Then why is bro still going damn

[safe sinew]

To another server

[celest lily]

He lost the plot

[safe sinew]

He might do 20 servers rerolling

[willow wraith]

i know he got gifted a lily account on server one but didnt see a single lily pull

[last temple]

I feel like it's hard enough to keep 1 account going and staying caught up

What is he planning on

WIth an account on every serer

[safe sinew]

He got gifted again one and then pulled on one

2 gifted one earned

[last temple]

Yeah

[willow wraith]

volkin kinda just messing around but farms server 1

[last temple]

I have no idea how the account he got gifted isn't against tos

[celest lily]

The nerf to Veronica also is such lazy hot dogshit because I’m 1000% positive they meant to change it for hoyan only but ended up changing the whole buff

That’s insane

[safe sinew]

CC

[willow wraith]

it is, but also tos is kinda bs anyways

[last temple]

Fair

[storm bluff]

It deffo is

[last temple]

Yeah

[last temple]

Nah, they did it for Veronica too because of the immortal team

[last temple]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-anime-sad-gif-27615865

[celest lily]

But with hoyan coming up and having it

[willow wraith]

like i cant 100% say it, but no one has ever been banned for that

[last temple]

Yeah it's nerfed for both now

[last temple]

I see

Hm

Maybe it's not against TOS? Maybe just selling your account

[celest lily]

They don’t care about bought accounts most games don’t

[safe sinew]

Do they read their own tos?

[last temple]

I see

[willow wraith]

there is a reason you see multiple announcement about that over everything else

[last temple]

Yeah that's why I thought they were cracking down on it

There's been a couple of announcements

[quaint jasper]

I'll respect the tos when they respect us

[celest lily]

It’s the same with the hoyo games bought accounts are not a priority

[willow wraith]

its not cracking down on it, its trying to discourage

[last temple]

Yeah I thought they would be doing both at the same time

Doesn't seem like it

[eager ember]

Can someone forward me the response for the aurora situation

[quaint jasper]

Disclaimer that was a joke I ain't trying to get banned for that statement lol although would give me an excuse to be free

[willow wraith]

na games dont really ban that, because its very difficult for them to tell who is even doing that

[last temple]

What response

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

[celest lily]

[eager ember]

The shit response

[celest lily]

It just says it’s a bug

[last temple]

This is basically all we've gottne

[last temple]

Yeah that's fair

[quaint jasper]

-> Promises better communication
-> Barely a day later they put up a vague patch note about dokidoki that really is about Xiada stealing buffs
-> mfw

[willow wraith]

its like my email is +1 because i salted so who knows if i just link it

[celest lily]

Ngl tho with the upcoming gacha games and the devs digging a solid nice hole player base might just poof

[digital sinew]

it is what it is, just don't spend the money, light fire under their backside and maybe they'll respond

[willow wraith]

you are correct but a lot of games are not fighting for this niche

[celest lily]

I mean for me like I would like to play 3-4 games max

And if they ain’t cooking I most definitely don’t want it on the list

[quaint jasper]

This was all one giant psyop to get people hyped for Umamusume after the dropoff of hype because it took like 4 years to come to global

[celest lily]

Gambling is about to skyrocket

[willow wraith]

im 100% playing uma

because i gave up trying to translate that shit

[eager ember]

Thanks

[willow wraith]

i mean ringo isnt "higher" than chris right?

its just one cm is aggravating and one tries to talk

[cobalt ocean]

almost 15k

[quaint jasper]

They'll surely respond after 15k huffs copium

[celest lily]

I feel like a starving child with the materials we get there’s so many wrongs they just slam pulls on it like oh we give so many pulls tho

[willow wraith]

this thread is basically the Sania shit and the xiada and veronika shit

[celest lily]

Yeah I think it would be nice to just communicate it

[willow wraith]

unfortantely i think chris is being kinda left on read

[celest lily]

Pretty sure if they came out and said that like shadow sania is wiping the whole game we need to tone her down a bit would be 10x better

[quaint jasper]

At the very least put it in the patch notes and not leave it for us to find out when we finally unlock Aurora

[willow wraith]

seanb in his video said one of the main people used to communicate, but now is silent

[quaint jasper]

Yeah haven't seen Jack anywhere

[celest lily]

Then it just might be joever

[quaint jasper]

And rarely seen cms around as much as they used to

[celest lily]

Could it be the rugpull of the year

[worn elm]

Calling it a rugpull is being generous to the devs, it's just incompetence

[willow wraith]

dont worry that'll be marvel mystic mayhem

[quaint jasper]

yeah a rugpull is planned this is just chickens running around with their heads cut off lol

[cobalt ocean]

i feel like the changes are necessary and i see alot of people find it reasonable too but it shouldve been fixed on the multiple beta, but anyway, its still fine, just give the players compensation i guess, several free reconfigure or something. since its on their part for sudden significant nerf just few days of release which could change alot of setups & investment plan. and yea as mentioned, communications with the community.

but i think they are kinda discussing it in depth internally on how to approach maybe few more days we will see where this game direction head towards.

[quaint jasper]

Would love for them to tell us they are discussing it internally

[main minnow]

I just noticed its already out in asia servers

[quaint jasper]

Like if we're gonna have to wait for their actual dev response, at least tell us it's cooking

For all we know the devs have no idea of what's going on

[cobalt ocean]

[willow wraith]

i think a lot of people are fine with changes, but units like Sania should be looked at after the changes and improved

[celest lily]

Xiada being nerfed in specific is not reasonable for dokidoki nor having shadow sania he completely unusable reasonable changes are damage being toned down or tweaked a bit but ok top of that they don’t mention them

[willow wraith]

but after the most recent changes idk if thats true anymore it shows they just wanna kneecap players

[cobalt ocean]

still doing fine i think, s.sania can clear niconana inferno and on several other important stages, xiada can still clear with proper build, just lower chance, but i understand and not gonna discuss about that anyway, focusing on their approach atm. imma just wait few days and see how their team react to this one while enjoying the drama

[worn elm]

Still absolutely baffled they're doing changes like this to the daily farm content, can't wait to see what they pull on endgame modes

[celest lily]

They will keep buffing bosses it’s almost guaranteed at this rate

[willow wraith]

part of the problem is this concept of endgame modes, there is no such thing in e7, its all farm content

[sick epoch]

if they nerf another character like this consider this game mega dead everyone will quit

[willow wraith]

like i played a bit of atery gear and the hgame, but endgame modes arent really in any of this shit

[quaint jasper]

Half my original guild roster from launch is gone

[fallen inlet]

i wonder if they are going to address it. there is no way they dont know that this has annoyed us

[magic wind]

Disagree I like the endgame stuff more than the pvp but you have to make the challenge reasonable

[willow wraith]

What endgame stuff are you thinking about though?

[worn elm]

This game already has endgame modes in it that aren't farm content so I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make

[willow wraith]

sure im only like lvl 33

but the other games that fill this niche never actually have "endgame modes"

[quaint jasper]

e7 kinda has endgame pve too but most of them are one time or have long rotations

[magic wind]

Thats what I was taking about and I love them some just have unreasonable ask for challenge wise considering where most players are currently at

[quaint jasper]

Yeah imagine if farming wyvern was just as hard as nightmare raid

[willow wraith]

like i dont disagree with you guys, but from what i've seen they try to make farmable stuff "endgame"

[quaint jasper]

In e7 I farm for gear so I can do pvp and high level pve. In Etheria restart I gotta farm for gear to get slightly better gear which after farming those will let me farm slightly better gear

[magic wind]

thats the problem we want endgame but not for the basic farmable content to be hard locked

[willow wraith]

So its like in e7 Rift is "endgame farmable" but that just really means pull this character lol

[quaint jasper]

Problem is e7 still has wyvern and all the other hunts while in Etheria it's like they're just dropping us into rift immediately

[willow wraith]

yeah 100%

wyvern is way easier than a lot of this shit that they change on a dime

[worn elm]

Wouldn't feel so bad if resources weren't so scarce as well

[magic wind]

@willow wraith For example I don't mind the EtherNet Ralley challenge or Ember trek Challenge or Phantom Theatert or Anisync Echoes Challenge but I do mind the challenge in the Threshold being has hard locked as it is

[quaint jasper]

And the new player experience in e7 is pretty good with them just straight up giving you all the units and gear to make a wyvern team while vets like me had to figure that crap out ourselves lol

[willow wraith]

sure once i get level 40 i may understand more what they have to offer

[worn elm]

Lattices are hard enough to come by and now there's a fear of investment into units that can just be nerfed without any warning

[quaint jasper]

Absolutely agree, I like the anisync echoes, phantom theatre, Ember Trek, and Ethernet Rally too and am absolutely fine with how difficult they are. I want to farm gear to be able to do them but the farms themselves aren't no pushovers either

[magic wind]

Yeah people only want to invest those into units that feel like long term investments

[willow wraith]

lattice is a disgrace, e7 has tried to improve mola gain often but still not enough

[radiant talon]

Devs should just shut down the game while its still early XD

[magic wind]

They should just fix the few issues they aren't that hard to solve if I was on their dev team I could do it in a day

[willow wraith]

Lattice shouldnt be this rare in a game coming out in 2025

[radiant talon]

the way things are going, they are just copying Dislyte 😄

my hope this thing survives now is -999999%

[willow wraith]

dislyte did not have a good beginning either xd

[fluid carbon]

Dislyte slander in big 2025 is insane

Lmao

[willow wraith]

its not slander i was there when it started

[radiant talon]

dislyte was good, then asenath nerf came, the skill they removed from her they put it inside a new 5 star limited summon, and moreeeeee big sh*t but thats where it started

[near meadow]

bruh try summoners war then come back here

[radiant talon]

i will still play SW more than dislyte now

[willow wraith]

i unfortunately dont have SW experience

[radiant talon]

well time to reinstall e7 lmao

godspeed devs for the braindead decisions

https://tenor.com/view/naza-bart-gif-18252699006249252039

[willow wraith]

i have e7 installed, but e7 has problems too

[near meadow]

8 lattice in just a week is good wdym and it's affordable every week just use it wisely

[radiant talon]

but not this kind of crap, atleast e7 devs are actually LISTENING

[willow wraith]

8 purple lattice? lol

[willow wraith]

e7 devs will listen when harsetti is nerfed

[near meadow]

I'm not spending crystal and now got 8 yellow 24 purple

[willow wraith]

sure we'll see how yellow lattice is in the future tho

[worn elm]

And how many golds were from 1 time rewards?

And don't invest them into a t0 unit because it could just get nerfed

xd

[gleaming rover]

https://tenor.com/view/theodoros-gif-18371963

[radiant talon]

Diting enjoyers later be like:

[willow wraith]

well i mean the thing is e7 backed themselves into a corner with full refunds

not that i think it isn't dumb as hell

there is no fucking way 1 selector ruins you're revenue

[fluid carbon]

Soon

When that happens adios

[sick epoch]

🤣

[weak basin]

SeanW

Anyways, idk if ssania was used in the final shell dungeon but she isn’t anymore

Already posted but it’s dot immune aswell

[radiant talon]

ssania is basically unusable

thats why you cant see her anywhere

[willow wraith]

The game puts itself in a bad place, its better for CCs to make a video on a controversy

that doesnt mean CCs aren't are keeping quiet because they got deals from XD, but its their own fault drama is more tready

[weak basin]

She is used in terror and niko

As bis

[radiant talon]

veronika nerfed

[weak basin]

Then I think Sharon she is viable

[willow wraith]

its funny because sharon shouldnt recieve any DoTs

[weak basin]

Sucks she went from like 5/7 to 2/7

[weak basin]

Sharon is the one stage that shouldn’t have her lol

Kinda incredible to see them forget that

[willow wraith]

yeah lol like they will 1000% fix that

[weak basin]

And people were saying that you couldn’t dot her in beta….

[willow wraith]

yeah idk i didnt have Sania in beta

[weak basin]

I had her but I didn’t use her since I read the boss kit first

But in world chat someone was spamming that dot team was the best and his clear of Sharon

[willow wraith]

apparently boss kit doesn't matter tho because this game is filled with bugs xd

[weak basin]

Thought it would be patched for launch

[radiant talon]

whales are mad cause after spending on SSania and the reset has ended they are stuk with a unit that is not fun anymore

[odd berry]

gogo 15k and we need more!!!!

[radiant talon]

but who knows XD maybe the devs will wake up from their own dreams one day

[weak basin]

Well ssania change was during reset

[willow wraith]

whales are mad S Sania got nerf, veronika got nerfed and xiada got nerfed

[radiant talon]

googleplay reviews are disabled on my phone, i wanna 1 star XD

[radiant talon]

truuue

[willow wraith]

its one thing to piss off f2p i get that f2p wants to be taken serious, but whales do what works and these directly fuck them

[weak basin]

WE ARE ON TV CHAT

[radiant talon]

truly funny,

[odd berry]

fake enws old screenshot

[radiant talon]

CN games dont even nerf that bad

why is it always when a CN game goes global it goes shitty

[willow wraith]

if CN was out this would never happen or be curbed stomped day 1

[radiant talon]

oh its game reset

time to not pull i have no dias XD

[weak basin]

Cn is out

[willow wraith]

the thing is CN Devs don't get it, CN is smart enough to monitor other regions

[radiant talon]

CN always comes first, global version devs are the one fcking up things

[weak basin]

Cn jp kr and Macau was released for launch

It was on their launch patch notes

[willow wraith]

like we'll see, but CN hates this shit