Shadow Buff Terrormaton and Aurora.

[prisma orbit]

u said the same thing to me

u copy paste everything?

[native snow]

considering how you dont need any of the gear from hard to hell 2. Having hell 3-4 as a stopping point before inferno isnt terrible. Sure it may seem inconvenient but its kinda just a built in stat check to see if you are even ready for inferno

[odd berry]

sure and speak always insults is right sure buddy get real son touch some grass and go away

[wintry willow]

Idk farming mythics doesn't seem that hard tbh

[flat anchor]

I have a question, do yall who defend the game geniunely think this behavior won't make it die?

[wintry willow]

I'm f2p

[flat anchor]

Do you not see why people are crashing out?

[prisma orbit]

i have a question for you then why do u doom post if u like the game kinda odd isnt it? doomposting only destroy games

[thorn drum]

just chiiilllll i get being angry when comp clears stuff slowly or not at all, but youll just get stronger, maybe farm other content like shells or something, those helped alot 🙂 its just a game after all.

[flat anchor]

Because I don't want the game to die? and the devs are making horrible EoS decisions?

[wintry willow]

I think people rather just complain than actually learn the game to progress

[prisma orbit]

then give constructive feedback instead of doom posting...

[steel ravine]

no dude, for inferno you should need 12/8 or even 12/12 sets, for hell 3 makes no sense to require the same (since you NEED to be able to farm it to have 12/8 or 12/12 in the first place)

[stuck delta]

tbf plenty has been given but they don't really listen lol

[flat anchor]

We did for 2 days and then they made a dogshit reddit post and called it a day

[wintry willow]

@steel ravine you really don't need all that though?

[stuck delta]

ive said numerous times their actions dont match their words

[prisma orbit]

give em time imo its only been 2 days

if its a week then thats fine

[steel ravine]

either that or the same 2-3 units that you need to pray to gacha

[prisma orbit]

but ist only been 2 days

[sudden kelp]

Probably not tbh, I've seen many games do this, unless some major content creators put final nail in coffin they'll continue to outlive their mistakes.

Marketing pulls in new people with no recollection of what happened to us as they weren't here for it, never felt impacted by it.

[brazen inlet]

i mean half of those are useless since they're 2 sets
prob only 1/8 of those have 4 subs if not less in my experience
and less will have the subs u'd want in them
and then u have to pray they roll right

[stuck delta]

i agree but the reddit post was extremely tone deaf

enough to make you almost sure that was all theyre going to say/do

[prisma orbit]

thats true, but it wasnt straight from the devs tho but a community manager

[stuck delta]

no i agree, personally im giving it time but i dont have much hope theyll do right by us

[foggy cliff]

Eh honestly, you can Diting everything except Dokidoki. Investment wise you just need Lily for gold lattices, Diting skills, Valerian S3. Add in RIlmocha (and her S3) from Selector and everythign is clearable with obtainable SR units. Beyontin/Kloss help too.

We'll see with Inferno content though. The bigger issue is resets are limited and a lot of changes were things we had to figure out.

[wintry willow]

yeah you still get some even in hell 4. It's just part of the gear grind. This is what end game looks like. You do the same in HSR, you do teh same in Epic 7 or even WUWA. it's nothing new. Just your typical end game loop

[prisma orbit]

they will, they already have a track record of listening, the whole dupe situation, GVG they created after feedback from beta in januaray

[sinful topaz]

Also people just move on cause emotions always return to equilibrium after some time

[worn elm]

You just need lily why didn't I think of that when I pulled my lingluo dupe

[foggy cliff]

Just reroll bro

[flat anchor]

It's not tho. You don't grind gear to grind more gear in those, you grind gear to play the endgame modes

[worn elm]

Yeah if you don't see how that's a problem there's no hope for you

[thorn drum]

you... really dont need lily bruh im doing fine with my diting lian for terror

[flat anchor]

but here you grind gear so you can grind gear

[foggy cliff]

Ngl I kinda want to make a Lily + Diting alt with all the shit I've learned

[prisma orbit]

?? u grind gear here to progress... not grind gear...

[wintry willow]

This game I actually really enjoy in how there's multiple solutions to the problem. The way I'm playing now IS 10000% different than how I approached beta, and that's cause I'll admit i was pretty blessed in beta. I barely have 5 ssr's and I've been holding for pulls since there's plenty of solid units to beat the farm stages within the SSR's. I'm not even talking about just build DITING, i'll show mine lol, i haven't even touched him. People just look at guides and go for flavor than learn the game and what it really has to offer

[stuck delta]

fair...i think this time feels different for most since we are officially live and we know their communication is horrendous. so we wait on pins and needles to get painstakingly slow communication

[sudden kelp]

This. I would take anything from CM as just an ordinary player who is an insider. No offense, but for me when I saw how they let IOS use bluestack to reroll while blocking other reroll methods for other devices, that truly was just admitting to creating an uneven playing field from the get go even amongst f2p people. The CM defended this, but they could've simply just let the MAC play on steam, the game is on steam.

[stuck delta]

theyll probably find a decent method of fixing it

[flat anchor]

you have to grind gear so you can do the next difficulty of grinding gear. don't be obtuse

[stuck delta]

but itll take alonggggg time lol

[prisma orbit]

we already know no one on their team knows english lol so its gonna be slow

[steel ravine]

can you clear aurora hell 4 without the same meta units that everyone is using?

[prisma orbit]

thats why i said to progress...

[wintry willow]

I did less that 40-50 of each stage to grind the end game difficulty lol. I'm just barely farming hell 4 since yesterday.

[brazen inlet]

yes but being this gated with what units u can invest isn't good
we're the minority being active in the discord
once ur there and u haven't invested alr, ur just kinda screwed no?

esp if ur not in the know

[stuck delta]

define meta because im using a tiamat team i cooked up

people also laughed when i used solo gray dps in doki hell 4 lol

[flat anchor]

who is in that team and what can it clear?

[prisma orbit]

i think its just straight up a skill issue for them lol

[foggy cliff]

Gold lattices are a real problem but otherwise, you can build new SRs decently fast

[steel ravine]

you are clearing aurora hell 4 with tiamat? what is the rest of the team?

[prisma orbit]

why u trying to copy someone elses team

instead of thinking of ur own

[brazen inlet]

idk shell rng is a problem too, blasted 2 days worth of stamina can't even find a right shell with no pity /shrug

[stuck delta]

its slow as shit but tiamat freya sania ling and lily

[flat anchor]

Experimenting with limited ressources what a genius idea

[prisma orbit]

or just look at the recent clears...

[steel ravine]

I don't even have tiamat dude, stop trying so hard to get attention

[stuck delta]

i dont farm it cus its slow

[wintry willow]

You can use a solid dps (rosa/diting/xiada/victor/yang/rc etc..), a decent strip, here if you have heinrich it made the job easier for you, otherwise you have obol/viper. It's a red dungeon so its obvious to bring blue units in. You'll then need a healer the game gave you linglao and she's honestly the best designed for this fight, finally w/e support you want to run

[stuck delta]

but it can be cleared

[wintry willow]

just fill out your comp to give it the juice it needs

[flat anchor]

which is copying them according to you

[foggy cliff]

I personally am building Diting on my main now

[prisma orbit]

u cant completely copy

if u missing a unit

u gotta think

of a replacement

[wintry willow]

I'm willing to bet all the f2p players who are crying right now, don't have their achievements look like this

[quaint jasper]

Forget going to a higher tier, spending 4 - 6 minutes to make your run 3 - 4 minutes is why a lot of my guild quit

[prisma orbit]

damn u farmed the achievements

[wintry willow]

The shells do way more than any of the gear

[prisma orbit]

i didnt bother

[wintry willow]

to get you to end game

[thorn drum]

THIS i farmed shells straight for 3 days and now i am big chilling

[weak basin]

anyone on asia see 2x?

[flat anchor]

which ones?

[wintry willow]

I legit did 0 gear farming

unless the hyper link told me too

[foggy cliff]

Yup way more than Hell modules tbh. Farm shells first and then when your teams are fully outfitted in max shells, you can farm modules lol

[wintry willow]

^

[brazen inlet]

And also like they say they buff/nerf chars based off rta usage. Diting has and will continue to have a solid presence in rta rn cuz he's what most people built, it would be hilarious when he gets nerfed and suddenly can't farm on auto anymore lol surely that won't come to happen

[thorn drum]

exactly, well rn my dps are fitted with max shells bu i am working on some auroras

[wintry willow]

By then surely you'll have other units built

[foggy cliff]

Lol they better give resets for that. Atleast Shadow Sania is an indirect nerf.

[prisma orbit]

not really that solid of a presence

[thorn drum]

by that time youll likely have other units in the team wayyy higher in skills which will give the comfort value

[worn elm]

just have other units built when your built ones get nerfed lmao

you guys can't be serious

[wintry willow]

It's like people are looking for an excuse

[thorn drum]

and the modules would be pretty high up too since rn u farm and gear up, its only gonna get easier

[wintry willow]

rather than actually play and learn the game

[flat anchor]

just pull more lattice out of our asses true!

[wintry willow]

Bro you dont even need lattice's lol

well ok

thats maybe going too far

some units do benefit pretty heavily

[thorn drum]

again, unless they nerf him tommorow, youll have atleast 2 more units' skills max latticed

[wintry willow]

but its not a must hae

[prisma orbit]

they come from too hand holding gacha games they arent used to sw and e7 level of u need your brain

[unkempt basin]

Much skill, the other players must just be whiny fuckers. True

[thorn drum]

also just the 3 slot gear being equiped will make it easier

[wintry willow]

Thats why I've really come to respect this game sooo much

[flat anchor]

needing your brain = having meta units

[worn elm]

the fact you are defending characters being nerfed with just build other ones is so insane

[wintry willow]

This game has legit been like a god send

[prisma orbit]

bruh u dont need meta

[flat anchor]

these guys are cooked

[unkempt basin]

Okay that's too much corporate boot licking

[sturdy mango]

That Elson nerf incident?

[prisma orbit]

legit seanb is playing f2p and clearing content

proves u all wrong

[wintry willow]

BRO I HAVE 1 META UNIT

[worn elm]

let me break your right hand but it's okay you can just use your left one

fucking moron

[wintry willow]

AND I'M CRUISING

[frail cape]

They're totally not comprehending the issue. I can't believe they sincerely don't understand still after having sent & read hundreds of messages here

They are not a serious person

[thorn drum]

you can choose atleast 1 meta unit in the selector, so idk what you mean, just wait 2 days prolly hayan will be cracked for doki and general pve

[brazen inlet]

rilmocha and freya are meta units...

[sudden kelp]

The lattice you have on S.Sania right now isn't useless, have her farm the stages she can and equip the other teams better through her farming, and eventually you'll regain lattices. If you are worried about lattice it means you never stood a chance to be actually competitive anyways, so being behind on lattice wont kill you in the long run

[wintry willow]

you can use selector on rilmocha and banner FREYA

which IS EXACTLY WHAT I DID

[flat anchor]

why would hoyan be cracked in doki she's single target

[brazen inlet]

aka forcing ppl to do the exact same thing crazy good pve exp

[wintry willow]

You dont' have to

there are other units

[sudden kelp]

too many to recall

[thorn drum]

rilmocha is just meta for doki, outside of it she is ok at best compared to something like a massiah

[wintry willow]

I iddn't even use rlimocha until HELL 4 (WHICH I HAD ALREADY CLEARED BY THE TIME I PULLED HER)

I used Rosa for my first few clears

[flat anchor]

Bro you cannot be serious

[thorn drum]

bruh idk what you want some units will be worse than others, not every unit will be meta, not in any game

[flat anchor]

you have meta dpses

Rosa and Rilmocha

[prisma orbit]

theres a target banner they give u....

[flat anchor]

with a Heinrich

[thorn drum]

this is gacha too, idk what you were expecting

[flat anchor]

of course you're clearing

you have the best in slot characters for 2 of 3 bosses

[unkempt basin]

Well ye like you said this is gacha, things might work you but definitely not for others

[wintry willow]

These guys just want to cry to cry lol

[thorn drum]

is rosa meta in doki or terror, just tell me

[flat anchor]

shut the fuck up about skill

you pulled meta that's why you're winning

[wintry willow]

https://gyazo.com/91c3a472a278fefe0d2578cb4f449f72

[flat anchor]

your RNG makes you win

[unkempt basin]

It's a turn based game, there's only so much skill expression involved

[sinful topaz]

That's not fair you have Gray who is a meta unit

[wintry willow]

SO TRUE

[sturdy mango]

The big ones I remember from early days were Elson nerf, for being "too useful for a 3*"
C Armin and her long turn Invincibility + Immunity
Pet snacks

[sudden kelp]

I have none of these and still am managing, granted it is much much harder. I kept pulling Messiah dupes instead of anything else, didn't even have Diting till yesterday so I didn't get by with him. These are simply nice to have characters that you can randomly pull in standard banners

[flat anchor]

can you read?

[thorn drum]

if you care hat much about tryharding why not reroll, clearly you are someone who is willing to go the extra mile for faster clears and meta pulls

[flat anchor]

"I have none of these I just have Massiah"

[thorn drum]

you cant just build a cybil and cry why she isnt clearing inferno

[sturdy mango]

Drama or two after release sounds normal, what is different is the treatment
Reminds me of BA and their days long maintenance because of bugs

[thorn drum]

ok, ok what units you have?

[wintry willow]

Honestly I wouldnt even bother with him at htis point loi

They just want to cry and complain

[flat anchor]

I hope you enjoy the bootlicking after the game dies because of people like you

[sudden kelp]

Yes, I used my pulls on Messiah and only kept getting him from standard, what is your point? I was stuck on Dorothy sustain till Hell 2 where I finally pulled Sania

[thorn drum]

bruh what units you have? legit.... which ones? maybe we can make a comp?

[flat anchor]

My point is you basically said "I don't have these meta dpses I just have the other meta dps instead"

[sudden kelp]

And 1 meta makes a difference how?

He cant solo carry

I dont even have SRs you most likely have

[flat anchor]

Sure maybe another time.

[sudden kelp]

With the amount of free pulls you get, you should have some metas

[flat anchor]

Because he's universal you can use him on everything

[sudden kelp]

You can use him on everything WITH A TEAM

A you not understanding that I pity Messiah dupes

[flat anchor]

That's not a good point to make because statistics inherently mean you could go 500 pulls and still have a bricked account

[wintry willow]

You have no idea how many people still struggle with having massiah

they just don't know how to team build

or how the content they are facing works

[thorn drum]

he is very high investment aka other units dont get juice or he becomes mediocre

[flat anchor]

There's a difference between struggling with what units you have and not even having them in the first place

[wintry willow]

I help a decent amount of discords cause I'm legit bored af waiting for stamina to regen most of the time lol

[sudden kelp]

Show your units my friend.

[wintry willow]

Thing is you're bound to hit something

[sudden kelp]

Lets see right now how bad you have it to be this upset

[wintry willow]

You just play and build off of that

[sudden kelp]

Show your units

You downplay having to go into Hell 2 with Dorothy as my only healer, so lets see what you can build

[sturdy mango]

What is the minimum count of starting subs?
I've only got one from a mission, haven't reached the stage to farm normally
Don't tell me it's also 1

[thorn drum]

even freya has an alternative in chiaki the echo, kloss has gray as an alternative, super strong free unit, diting is rampant, sania and valerian are amazing. marvell is a thing if you dont have mio or other openers

[wintry willow]

It's full Rng fam, you can high roll a 4 starting sub or a 1 starting sub even at mythic

[thorn drum]

and youre bound to have atleast 1 meta rbg from the selector unless you wste it on purpose

[wintry willow]

I'd say 2-3 is the most common starting sub

[sudden kelp]

Exactly this, and their alternatives are pretty meta too, it is impossible to not have some useful team eventually after all the pulls you get.

[wintry willow]

1 is a giga low roll, 4 is a high roll, but most of your mythic gear is going to at least have 2-3

just went through my lvl 1's i haven't speed checked yet

[sturdy mango]

Sounds painful

[wintry willow]

at least the stat leveling isn't too bad

[prisma orbit]

atp just tell them to watch SeanB hes f2p, zero meta units as his luck is shit, and hes doing hell

[sinful topaz]

It's insane the amount of times I've been stuck on something and managed to clear after putting gear on some random barely leveled character better suited for the fight after strategizing for a bit

[sudden kelp]

Like how the guy calling us bootlicker crashed out about me pity pulling a Messiah and doesn't want to show his character list

[thorn drum]

me with 4* dinnah vs hell 2 terror lol

[wintry willow]

This is what i've grown to really love about the game

Bro during beta, i remember being stuck on hell 3 doki

[thorn drum]

pretty sure he has some meta units as well and just cant figure out why others are clearing while he cant

[wintry willow]

i put in kazuya no prowess just my debuff gear and i 1 shot hell 3

[thorn drum]

(me before shell farming)

[wintry willow]

3 star lvl 1 no prowess just gear and a shell kazuya and that's when I knew I was going to be committed to this game

[sudden kelp]

Probably bouncing too many characters, it takes proper smart investment to get a unit working, and it doesn't necessarily involve lattices, especially for the more accessible meta units

[wintry willow]

from my screenshot above, viper got most of his levels just clearing aurora hell

[prisma orbit]

prob wasted all their purple latice

[thorn drum]

i had to use 4 resets to get my teams and lattices in order, but it was sooo worth the gems lol

[unkempt basin]

My issue with the ssania fiasco is I invested hard into the dot team to clear endgame module bosses faster. That's lattice that would not be used in PvP, I only did so with the expectation of making this a investment for progression. Now that plan is ruined basically to no fault of the playerbase because a change in mechanics as big as this should have been communicated especially with how relevant the dot teams were during various betas.

So now im stuck with an expensive team which can only clear terror. When I could have just built a diting anyway (which I can't now due to lack of lattices).

It's a sunk cost on an unnecessary investment pretty much. Hence requesting even just reconfiguring the units.

[prisma orbit]

dude ssania still works in terror

and all shells except sharon

wdymmm

[unkempt basin]

Yes can your read?

[sudden kelp]

And purple lattice so easy to obtain, I put all of it on DoT knowing I'm bricking myself, but it's not like I cant farm useful stuff on DoT either, so I still use my stamina to farm effective gear

While waiting for more lattice

[wintry willow]

You have a somewhat valid complaint, ssania still has value just isn't op like before. I do sympathize with your situation on some level

[prisma orbit]

ur acting like shadow sania is useless

[stuck delta]

its also laughable that we call her OP when diting wipes the floor with everything

[unkempt basin]

Also ngl im a bit competitive on the pvp so being stuck on this situation is pretty annoying even if it's just for days

[thorn drum]

they said they have heard us... maybe compensation for ssania and dot users but dont hold your breath ;-;

[stuck delta]

ssania was about as balanced as an RGB SSR could be balanced tbh

she required a team comp

and excelled in a couple places

[unkempt basin]

Im not, im saying I invested thinking she was gonna do more. I could have made a less expensive option of just building diting, now im forced to wait.

[prisma orbit]

yea

[wintry willow]

This is why I respect this complaint

[thorn drum]

she was definitely more painful to set u than a diting comp dunno why tf nerf an APEX unit mid at pvp rather than the busted af 4* but oh well

[prisma orbit]

ehhh diting requires like what 8-12 purple latice?

[wintry willow]

cause that is a valid point

[prisma orbit]

ssania works on s1 lvl 3

so 2 yellow?

[stuck delta]

she pretty much needs all 4 into s1

[unkempt basin]

You need fang s1/s2 as well

[prisma orbit]

for more consistency yes

[unkempt basin]

That's 8 purple lattices down the drain

[stuck delta]

and yeah you basically need fungus s1/s2 maxed

[wintry willow]

yeah ss1 needs a slam, but also the rest of the comp needs to have some investment as well

vs slamming on universal units like we do with diting

its more niche

nothing wrong with playing niche just sucks they got punished for it

[prisma orbit]

fungus ssania and valeria need investment

[sudden kelp]

Yes, this is the downside of DoT, it works well when it does, but it definitely isn't working enough to feel rewarding especially with the waiting time inbetween to set yourself up with a whole alternative team, I am very much against the devs on how DoT is presented

[wintry willow]

take valerian out of there @prisma orbit she does but she's def universal.

[prisma orbit]

but i mean dot team still work when it works in all farming stages aside from sharon and aurora and doki

[wintry willow]

there's no loss in investing in her

at least this early

[prisma orbit]

true

[stuck delta]

it actually works in sharon btw lol

[unkempt basin]

Again, im also concerned about the pvp, everyday that passes by I feel like im being left more and more behind. Hence I needed this to be more urgent even if it might be unreasonable from your guys' pov

[wintry willow]

fengus/obol are more niche if you went that route

[prisma orbit]

it does? someone found a bug?

[stuck delta]

yes

me

lmfao

[prisma orbit]

the meta is changing to bruiser btw

[unkempt basin]

Didn't they respond to the cs saying it was intentional blah blah blah

About sharon bug

[wintry willow]

this part i wouldnt overthink so much, we're all gonna hit that wall and thats where you'll get your catch up

[unkempt basin]

Or was that just the automated response whenever someone mentions dot

[prisma orbit]

yea rush inferno tbh

if u competative

[sudden kelp]

My point on this is, tbh, you never had the chance to be competitive in PvP if you are not whaling enough for nerfs to not cause you to blink twice.

New players will come for you to stomp on and you'll stabilised yourself where you're supposed to be eventually

[stuck delta]

lol

[wintry willow]

you do

eventually a week 7 starter will even out with a week 1 in terms of whats available

[prisma orbit]

another drama incoming

[stuck delta]

dots lowkey suck ass in hoyan tho

[prisma orbit]

true too slow

[wintry willow]

the only thing the week 1 has is more opportunities, but that doesn't neccessarily make them stronger

there's only so much strenght we can get

[sudden kelp]

Indeed, everyone evens out eventually, and the ones at the top will be whales who always can buy to have the next best thing used asap

[prisma orbit]

u could always just preban it too lol

[wintry willow]

I started E7 in like 2022? I hit emp in about a year and can probably still get there if i put in the effort to grind. That's more or less what this will end up being. Even just being a day 1 player doesn't automatically mean you're going to be strong lol

there's so many day 1 accounts i see that were so poorly mismanaged

[unkempt basin]

Even if it was never competitive, this just further hurts me more. I like playing pvp even if my chances are slim cause of no mio, there's a sense of accomplishment in that regard

[wintry willow]

that a day 4 starter is probably ahead of them at this point lol

[prisma orbit]

dont bother reading the server 3 yes or no thread, ull loose brain cells

[unkempt basin]

And I hope it comes fast cause dear lord it's just mio/marvell racing

[wintry willow]

ya'll have kept me entertained enough lol

[prisma orbit]

its already starting to shift

[unkempt basin]

People already getting their bulwarks ye

[wintry willow]

I actually abused dark chachi lol, from day 1 lol

[stuck delta]

wait til you catch my tiamat in arena with 50k hp and iced state lol

[wintry willow]

to get to diamond

[sudden kelp]

Well our point is you will catch up, you will always catch up, some of us here came from epic 7, we started years late, and we still climbed high.

Everyone hits the same wall, you can only have perfect gear and that's it.

[wintry willow]

and mythic

i let them pick their marvell/mio/kraken's

no one ever took dark chachi from me they kept banning my heinrich or something. i'd go first and give my team immunity

and just turn 2 them

[sudden kelp]

You just whale to get perfect gear sooner, and there's no point in trying to climb closer to the whales

[wintry willow]

but now i keep running into the same people and they just ban my chachi out 😦

so i need to farm to diversify

[unkempt basin]

Well anyways at the very least I hope they just let us reconfigure and be done with this whole ordeal

[sudden kelp]

Agreed

[unkempt basin]

Thank you for the points tho, will keep those in mind

[sudden kelp]

Despite all my disagreement I am still on team rework/buff DoT

[stuck delta]

i personally just hope they dont get let off that easy

[unkempt basin]

Ye it sets a bad precedent

[stuck delta]

i still stand by needing to remove dots

and reworking it

its fucked up to do this a week in when progress matters

[wintry willow]

thats why i also stated that i do give merit to those complaining about that

but people like that other dude i was arguing with earlier, who just didnt bother to learn the game

this game wasn't for them

zzz more their avenue possibly

[stuck delta]

more than anything im irritated they chose to leave dots in on release when they clearly arent happy with its performance

[sudden kelp]

There's many ways to rework DoT and make it viable, a lot of games has made it work, I'm sure they can too, and they must, otherwise there's no point in DoT, when you can have other characters run in all modes and thrive

[unkempt basin]

Ntm ssania is an apex unit

[stuck delta]

this is hugely concerning too because she had zero pvp use on release

[wintry willow]

before this game came out, i was abusing robin a bit in rta. I think dot stil has a place, we just need more units for more metas to flesh out for it to find its place easier

[prisma orbit]

well tbf, dots werent a thing in open beta

[stuck delta]

what game dev releases a pvp useless rare unit lol

[prisma orbit]

it was only untill ccs showed how op it was

on test servers

[wintry willow]

ssania imo is probably the easiest route to terror hell 4

still

so there's value in its apex

[stuck delta]

as someone who has her and uses her to clear hell 4

i dont agree

[prisma orbit]

why? its autoable

at least mine is

[stuck delta]

because you need lily

[unkempt basin]

I don't have lily, so I struggle with consistency

[prisma orbit]

ah

[wintry willow]

you don't need lily, it makes it easier

[stuck delta]

lets be honest

you need lily lol

[wintry willow]

lily just makes everythign easy though

we could just say the same thing with diting

[unkempt basin]

Yes I cleared hell 4 without lily but it's inconsistent

[prisma orbit]

ehhh not really mine is only s1 lvl 3 not the 100% follow ups

[stuck delta]

no you cant because the diting teams dont use lily lol

[prisma orbit]

so dont really need follow ups

[stuck delta]

the diting team is effectively completely f2p

since you can target kloros on banner

[prisma orbit]

doesnt diting need a shit ton of atk now for terror tho?

[stuck delta]

they give you the modules for free as you clear terror

and then use a white fang maxed

[prisma orbit]

mine did 9k dmg 100% crit rate, 100% crit dmg with beyo buff and dinah debuffs on boss

my atk was only 1.9k tho

[prisma orbit]

i see

[stuck delta]

like dont get me wrong i find dots good to use

but to say its the easiest

[sudden kelp]

I think people would be less angry if they stay true to the pve DoT marketing by allowing DoT to work in more PvE content, it'll feel more fair of a restrictions, but this is a bandaid to the real problem which is DoTs are mascots at this point, you can just instead run other characters like Valerian, Rosa, Diting, Lily, ext. for all content (granted not efficiently) and still win. DoT needs real presence in the game, not to be an attachment of the game but actually part of it, same with any other characters they have that is useless now but could use some buffs to feel viable

[stuck delta]

is a little disingenuous

[prisma orbit]

sheesh

5.7k atk

[odd berry]

[prisma orbit]

give me ur luck, my subrolls are shit

[sudden kelp]

God damn wtf

[stuck delta]

then on top of that lol diting gets used everywhere

even aurora hell 4 lmfao

[odd berry]

@sudden kelp@prisma orbit finaly i have one time luck

[prisma orbit]

just wondering wouldnt crit rate be betterl to go over cuz of the 150% conversion?

[unkempt basin]

And other pve content where dot is unusable

[prisma orbit]

or does it not work like that

[sudden kelp]

Can't even talk about subrolls yet, I'm 3 days in full stamina reset still trying to get shell with the right attributes

[odd berry]

it works but the dmg for each debuff is huge

[unkempt basin]

In hindsight is dot rly that strong

When you get this green haired monkey

[prisma orbit]

Ooo i see

[prisma orbit]

Lol this is my luck

[sudden kelp]

No it isn't, which is my point yeah xD

[prisma orbit]

dont complain about luck to me, 😭

[odd berry]

Rat King Ditting

[unkempt basin]

Shadow nerfed to oblivio please

Im envious

[wintry willow]

WAIT 310 SPEED

[odd berry]

[wintry willow]

am i reading that right

and you have those stats

[odd berry]

[unkempt basin]

Wha?

[round hemlock]

that Diting looks familiar

[sudden kelp]

I advocate this too, either they all work, or they all don't. Nerf diting's DMG scaling down to 150% only

[prisma orbit]

his luck in subrolls is godly

[odd berry]

yours yes

xd

[unkempt basin]

It's 130 -> 180

[wintry willow]

Bro share those mods

[unkempt basin]

Meaning 50 more spds no

[wintry willow]

oh its 180 speed

ok

nvm

i'm chill now

[odd berry]

showing your crack

[unkempt basin]

Kura you baiter why did you nodders

[odd berry]

read just the last one

sry daddy

[sudden kelp]

I cant imagine how famous the next feedback sub will be when they nerf diting

[unkempt basin]

Im disappointed son

[sudden kelp]

And I will be camping that sub with joy

[odd berry]

[unkempt basin]

Kura alr laid the tent by then don't worry

[odd berry]

[unkempt basin]

We have a love hate relationship you and I

[odd berry]

yeah thats true

[unkempt basin]

Since you guys here

What team to run for aurora

I can do hard runs to get ling luo if needed

Ofc im fucking broke on lattices

[sudden kelp]

Not DoT that's for sure 🥁

[unkempt basin]

[odd berry]

Aurora: Rosa/diting, freya, valerian, lingluo, Viper

[sudden kelp]

I'd say diting instead of Rosa

But I sense diting nerf coming for being too strong of SR

[unkempt basin]

Bruh imagine I just finish building diting and then he gets nerfed

That might drive me to insanity

[odd berry]

feel u

[sudden kelp]

This sub finally calm down

[stuck delta]

youre getting right side pieces?

[prisma orbit]

yea...

all flats

[unkempt basin]

Actually true

[prisma orbit]

idk if its a bug

[stuck delta]

dang i cant even get that lmfao

[unkempt basin]

You're lucky enough

[prisma orbit]

their mainstat shit tho

like

whyyyy

[stuck delta]

trash ass game

[sudden kelp]

Has anyone actually calculated the % against flat stat value?

[prisma orbit]

its gotta be more on the flat stat value on mythic gear

i havent seen a single atk % def % or hp% on the 3 matrix gear yet

[stuck delta]

these hoyan shell drops are dogshit too

like 1/10

[odd berry]

pls stop calling the evil spirits

[sudden kelp]

Do you mean essentially % is much more valuable?

🤔

In epic 7 % is much more valuable, but here I dont know if the difference is drastic enough to be worth worrying about

[unkempt basin]

Will hoyan theoretically be better than diting for rora?

[sudden kelp]

I doubt it

Her leaked kit looks like a mess

She is constantly on life support

[prisma orbit]

Trash ass rates

[sudden kelp]

Her attack eats her own HP

[prisma orbit]

why the fk is this a thing

[prisma orbit]

its the main stat

[sudden kelp]

And if she doesn't manage to kill anyone she is screwed

[unkempt basin]

[sudden kelp]

I'm interested in their designs though

[foggy cliff]

She revives though

[sudden kelp]

Same reason I heavy invest s.sania

[foggy cliff]

Issue is the ramp up, meanwhile, Diting is locked and loaded instantly

[sudden kelp]

Only once, she revives and tries to counter kill someone before she herself gets killed next turn

If that person that tried to kill her is a tank or has immunity, then she will fail to kill them

[foggy cliff]

Actually, does her counter take her HP again or it stays at 60% (or whatever it was)

[sudden kelp]

The leak shows her counter activates her skill that takes HP, so it probably will end up draining her HP. It sort of makes sense because the less HP she has, the more dmg she does

So her counter would hopefully be a guaranteed oneshot

But ofcourse, there are buffs that takes oneshotting out of the equation

Same with builds

She does same dmg as diting, no point really

[odd berry]

sadge

no c5 hoyan then

[sudden kelp]

They revive her to 60% HP, and the skill takes 50% HP, leaving her with 10% upon revive. That's the assumption, but we'll only know for sure when she is in the game, not just from leaks

I dont care if I brick my account, I'll pull

[odd berry]

i pull too but not c5 then

my plan was c5 cause i like her character design

but now i dont xd

[sturdy mango]

Get the "shards" from Union

[odd berry]

i dont write the joke here before i get the doomposter card

[sturdy mango]

[odd berry]

[sturdy mango]

"Dupe" donation is a thing in Union
Guess we are now daily shard slaves

[odd berry]

just 50 days for a dupe

[sturdy mango]

Takes so long though, even if you get donated daily

[odd berry]

[sturdy mango]

That reminds me, my Union is dead
Well, didn't expect much from a "free to join" one but it's still funny

[odd berry]

[sturdy mango]

Surely the 24 others that haven't logged in in the last 2 days will come back next weekend

[sudden kelp]

Which server you in?

[odd berry]

trust

[sturdy mango]

Global

[sudden kelp]

Guess who has a lv20 guild fully active waiting for you ;)

[sturdy mango]

I bet they rerolled and found a much better account

[odd berry]

[sturdy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-running-anime-running-running-love-live-gif-22710773

[unkempt basin]

About my lineup can't i run xiada or do i need her maxxed out to do well on aurora

Cause my doki clears are inconsistent as well

You saa the helkid so feel my pain

[wintry willow]

Aurora isn't about the dmg

its about the strip/sustain

[unkempt basin]

So what's the consensus

[wintry willow]

xiada is fine

but your viper/linglao matter

more than

the dmg you bring in

[unkempt basin]

Ic

[wintry willow]

viper has to land the strip

and linglao needs to get the cleanse/ turn cycle down

to keep the party cleansed through that debuff

[odd berry]

@unkempt basin this

[unkempt basin]

Haven't really touched rora yet so this is nixe to know

[unkempt basin]

Investment needed?

[odd berry]

yes

[unkempt basin]

Like bare what do i need

[odd berry]

s2 lvl3 s3 max

[unkempt basin]

And ling?

[odd berry]

my ling is untouched (lattice wise)

[unkempt basin]

K im assuming you need s3 val or nah?

Ngl wasn't expecting needing to do this much prep on a pvp game

[odd berry]

val maxed is always good

[unkempt basin]

So mainly concerned with pvp

[wintry willow]

its the start of the game

got to get through the pve to get on farm to start prepping the pvp

[odd berry]

i know u hate this words but u know marathon and sprint yada yada

[wintry willow]

^

[unkempt basin]

Not rly, I just saw the comparisons with e7 and thought the pace would be the same

[uncut ocean]

Did rhe devs go on full silent mode?

[wintry willow]

this is very similar to year 1 e7

like very very similar

[odd berry]

oh then i remember wrong then it was this dumbest gamer guy what flamed me for this words

[wintry willow]

you can't compare modern e7 to this as far as progression goes

They are forced to let you catch up

cause otherwise it would take you forever

[unkempt basin]

Makes sense

[odd berry]

@unkempt basin now i see what a chill guy u are be

no sarcasm

[unkempt basin]

You shoulda seen me in the day it was found out

[odd berry]

[unkempt basin]

But ye i calmed down a bit now

[odd berry]

❤️

[wintry willow]

you f2p kujira?

[unkempt basin]

Get my thoughts in check cause among my friends im the only one investing in dot hence the only one madge

[odd berry]

no

[wintry willow]

ahh so you're full sending it understandable

i'm still debating pulling on hoyan/holden or just send it on lightning

[odd berry]

yeah i just saw that with the dot gate and said before its happened ( 1 day before) for sure they dont let it this way and yeah here we are

[unkempt basin]

What does holden do?

[odd berry]

dispell

tank

counter

red type

[unkempt basin]

Is

He

Good?

[odd berry]

we dont know

probaly good for terror and aurora

[wintry willow]

it hasn't been tested in modern meta

but yeah ^

[unkempt basin]

Design looks cool thi

[wintry willow]

what kujira said

i just find it tough to be able to have the resources for both holden and lightning while refreshing at this point lol

so i'm starting to weigh options

[odd berry]

yeah we must set prios atm

and cant go unga bunga

[unkempt basin]

I mean you xan probably stop max refresh about now

[wintry willow]

not til 50 for me

[odd berry]

i still do till lvl 50

[wintry willow]

^

[unkempt basin]

I mean fair, im probably doing so regardless

[wintry willow]

you holdin kujira?

[odd berry]

then i will see i can chill or not cause we kick ppl what are underperform in gvg and guild boss

[odd berry]

yes

[wintry willow]

we're basically playing the same then

[unkempt basin]

I may or may not have dropped some 10 pulls on massiah

[wintry willow]

kinda of an oof

Save all apex summons

yeli IS that unit

[odd berry]

[odd berry]

hope so

[unkempt basin]

It's my first time, cut me some slack

[odd berry]

all fine

[unkempt basin]

Plus i kinda didn't like how my rebate account looked at first

[wintry willow]

it's like we're being given the heads up that NML is releasing so we can actually prepare lol

[odd berry]

in beta i had jsut ld sania

[unkempt basin]

Im beta i had lily heinrich

[unkempt basin]

You can see the disparity

Even feel it

[odd berry]

and c5 freya and rahu i swear to god i jsut got this

i said when this happen in launch im done haha

[wintry willow]

i ran lian/tiamat/freya/rilmo during beta

i was lian and friends until about 3 days ago

[prisma orbit]

For the people who still think they secretly changed aurora , heres proof aurora was meant to be immune to dots. Hotfix was on the 9th

[unkempt basin]

I personally hate the "gUYs iS ThIS goOD" archetype

[wintry willow]

yeah it was 100% a hot fix

[unkempt basin]

They know what they're doing

[wintry willow]

the thing where the lack of communication is the beta>official

beta dots were ok

[odd berry]

yeah

[prisma orbit]

Yea

But all these shadow buffs and shadow nerf nonsense is dilusional

[wintry willow]

there was no indication that it would be changed on launch

same with terror

[prisma orbit]

I dont really blame em. Beta always means subject to change tho

[unkempt basin]

We know this a while back, given the previous fiasco of dupes a lot (myself included) felt like it was done with malice. Now im just thinking it's incompetence

[wintry willow]

It's just at least let us know in the patch notes or something

that the boss got changed

[unkempt basin]

Cause with the previous dupes fuasco

[wintry willow]

if that was mentioned in patch notes

this would not have been a problem at all

that's what we were expecting

[prisma orbit]

Yea its not malice, its a mix of incompetence and sucking at engljsh

[odd berry]

[wintry willow]

I'm just glad no one is talking about Marvell

[odd berry]

oh boy

thanks u was alte

to the party

late*

[unkempt basin]

But you guys have to understand that since they didn't announce it, of course it feels like a shadow buff more than a hotfix

[wintry willow]

do people know what his og base speed was lol

[late onyx]

I think most people are complaining that it wasn’t mentioned in the patchnotes when miscellaneous things like this were added

[odd berry]

yes

[wintry willow]

oh that must have been fun lol

[odd berry]

yeah maincord was burning and after this boss stuff it was hell

xd

[wintry willow]

again another situation that im ok with the outcome, you just adjust, but not mentioning it and just slamming it was a problem

[prisma orbit]

Tbf they never put detailed changes like percent changes to boss hp and stuff

[odd berry]

u said something positiv u was a "cock sucker a shill etc"

[late onyx]

making a whole boss immune to dot is surely important info

[unkempt basin]

Well, they rly should.

[late onyx]

compared to UI fixes

[prisma orbit]

Didnt they also think marvel was shadow nerfed after hotfix 😭

[odd berry]

yeah cause it wasnt emntioned

[wintry willow]

nah the speed change was at launch

it wasn't hot fix

[odd berry]

but he was since launch "shadow nerfed"

[waxen rain]

WHERE IS OUR RESETS?

[wintry willow]

beta marvel 115, launch marvel 111?

[odd berry]

yeah

[wintry willow]

i forget

[waxen rain]

Everyones gonna quit

[prisma orbit]

But like people had 8 whole days to realize before then😭

[odd berry]

let them quit this ppls arent staying for long anyways i guess

[odd berry]

yeah

[late onyx]

I brought up the marvell topic to explain how the patchnotes deliberately did not include crucial changes

there is no way that this company is that incompetent to forget adding these things in

[wintry willow]

for a game like this to really succeed they need to stand their ground on some stuff

[odd berry]

^

[unkempt basin]

Hence why it was assumed to be done with malice

[wintry willow]

they can't keep catering to the light hearted

[unkempt basin]

But atp I rly think they're just that incompetent as insulting as it might sound

Simply, do better

[wintry willow]

yeah they just got to work on the communication execution

all changes are fine imo so far

[odd berry]

yeah maybe but insulting with hard words like b...ches or frauds etc is to harsh

[prisma orbit]

English is hard to learn when chinese is the first language

And google translate is tuff

So be patient imo

[late onyx]

language barrier does not prevent them from explaining that they made a complete pve boss immune to one of the previous top strategies

[prisma orbit]

People were already doom posting 1 hr after hotfix😭

[prisma orbit]

That was a beta strategy i dont blame them if launch is different

[late onyx]

again the change itself doesn’t matter

[wintry willow]

Honestly a simple line such as Threshold bosses may differ from beta. (doesn't even have to go into detail) and all this is avoided

[unkempt basin]

I get that, but is it wrong to expect a polished game? I think as paying consumers you gotta expect some degree of quality

[late onyx]

the problem is they didn’t add it in the patchnotes with some sort of motive

[wintry willow]

cause then we'd have to tackle it with a fresh approach vs playing off what we knew

[prisma orbit]

Idk, the definition of beta is "subject to change" tho

[wintry willow]

in a sense yes, i agree. These type of things don't normally get adjusted like this though

[unkempt basin]

They shouldn't have dropped a pre patch notes then, cause then it would be assumed that they would list all the changes

Or at least relevant ones

[prisma orbit]

I guess, i dont really play much gacha betas but other games betas they dont even give patch notes on launch

[wintry willow]

It's a pvp gacha so they had to

[prisma orbit]

I think its their first pvp gacha no?

SoC is pve

[wintry willow]

yeah they are making blunders and its bound to happen

[prisma orbit]

Yea

[wintry willow]

i'm not crucifying them at all

but the solutions weren't as complicated as i think people make it out to be

like i said one line (threshold bosses may vary from beta) boom

no one has any right to say anything

it could have been one line in the patch notes

[prisma orbit]

I guess they were counting on the definition of a beta

[wintry willow]

possibly

[prisma orbit]

They ddint think global people dont think the same

[unkempt basin]

Well with their marketing approach they honestly should have approached this as carefully as possible

The playerbase isn't entirely composed of those looking to pvp or tryhards who are willing to learn

Some are looking for a typical collector sim, and I think that's fair. Hence for some they feel gated in their progression

[late onyx]

your telling me that they thought this information was more important than a change in game mechanics

[prisma orbit]

But its not marketed as a idle game

[unkempt basin]

It's just with all the CCs they reached out to

[prisma orbit]

Well they fixed an issue that people were having

So yea

[unkempt basin]

It was bound to reach a more casual playerbase

[prisma orbit]

I see

[wintry willow]

i think he's referring to the top change

[prisma orbit]

Ngl i dont even know what that change even means

[late onyx]

exactly

[wintry willow]

in beta the fights were all closer together

[late onyx]

why did they even feed us this

[wintry willow]

like on the ui

where now it matches how it is in the story

[prisma orbit]

Ohh

Then thats nice to know

[wintry willow]

it's a small change, but it does look cleaner

[prisma orbit]

Ye

[unkempt basin]

I personally fall on that category

Just that I at least had the beta to learn a bit

[wintry willow]

even though i ended top 50 in all 3 pvp modes in beta, i made a crap ton of mistakes

i def learned from going into launch

I was basically prepared to make w/e team i was given work

[unkempt basin]

Im just trying to convey what a typical player's outlook might be. Since pvp has fallen off the market entirely these past few years

[wintry willow]

for gacha for sure

which is why this honestly feels like such a fresh breath of air

[unkempt basin]

Glad we sorted that out, here's to hoping they help the struggling ones out actually not even just those who invested in dot, 5 chances to correct a mistake feels to few with how different this game plays compared to more recent titles

Ntm players will be stingy with gems coming in

[prisma orbit]

Especiallt from sw and e7

Sw 11 years old

E7 around 8 now?

[unkempt basin]

Cause that's the standard of the current market (gems used exclusively for pulls)

[prisma orbit]

Dyslite was a major failure

[prisma orbit]

Yea

[silver scaffold]

I just realized this is wrong server my bad

[minor crown]

💀

[wintry willow]

yeah they address it now lol, which is fine tbh. sure its late, but im ok with it being it is what it is.

[minor crown]

inb4 diting's damage output is a bug, so we have adjusted it

[unkempt basin]

They talking about beta screenshots where rora had no dot clause

[uncut ocean]

There is a patchnote before launch mentioning the nerfs to Marvell

[minor crown]

yea ik

[unkempt basin]

It's just with pr filter

[unkempt basin]

Not the spd

[minor crown]

tho they shoulda proofread it cuz, this statement is so

chatgpt can only do somuch

[wintry willow]

they didnt mention every change @uncut ocean

[minor crown]

or ig their PR training can only do so much

[wintry willow]

there's a lot that got missed in the patch notes

[silver scaffold]

In any case for anyone still wondering, there's an official response on the etheria's SUBREDDIT https://www.reddit.com/r/Etheria_Official/s/E8sbUSSp0S

[wintry willow]

and thats where the problem lies

[unkempt basin]

0 likes

Yikes

[minor crown]

tho having the statement only on reddit, is definitely a choice

[silver scaffold]

You can judge it yourself but basically the changes are staying and there will be no compensation

[uncut ocean]

Ahh k. My bad.

[minor crown]

right there

[odd berry]

yeah but not the speed down (basespeed stat)

[uncut ocean]

Will improve communications. Proceed to post only on reddit

[scarlet folio]

sorry saw it thanks

[unkempt basin]

Okay that's actually funny

[odd berry]

still the same as 2 days ago

[minor crown]

still the funniest part is the come to jesus moment where it's like, we realize we should give more than an hours notice for major changes and will work on better coordination between teams + regions

[unkempt basin]

[minor crown]

we realize standard practice

yesterday when we made the statement

🙏

[uncut ocean]

Yea mb

[silver scaffold]

Anyway

[odd berry]

np

[silver scaffold]

If anyone is still asking for the resolution on this thread just direct them to the reddit post

[minor crown]

jack's private yacht went to go pick up c and the rest of the US team so they arent here rn

[silver scaffold]

This thread has been up for way too long i'm ngl

[unkempt basin]

yachtS

[minor crown]

they are celebrating the release of holden and hoyan

[unkempt basin]

Cause there's no resolution

[minor crown]

c actually dropped his phone in the ocean

so no discord

[unkempt basin]

But memes aside

This is disappointinf

[rose quartz]

lol this is the biggest thread

[silver scaffold]

[minor crown]

rip male:female ratio

[odd berry]

shame on us not 20k yet

[minor crown]

tho really people they could just give people stuff and most would look the other way

[unkempt basin]

what's the husbando current ly at?

[quaint jasper]

Are we gonna go 3 for 3 on days of radio silence from the devs

[silver scaffold]

It's okay at least now I know my decision

[rose quartz]

We are f'd doing this then a quick double banner yikes

[quaint jasper]

Like give us the boilerplate "we are discussing this internally" announcement

[silver scaffold]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Etheria_Official/s/E8sbUSSp0S

[unkempt basin]

Their response is in their reddit page

[quaint jasper]

That's not a dev

[rose quartz]

Maybe they nerfed her to sell the new 5star lol

[minor crown]

they cant rn cuz jack spilled champagne on his phone which caused it to shortcircuit on his private yacht party with the devs

[odd berry]

huh? 😄

[silver scaffold]

Come join us hopping to shadowverse worlds beyond

[unkempt basin]

Nvm, they're weak

You're welcome

[minor crown]

smash

[odd berry]

[rose quartz]

Chaos zero nightmare and marvel mayhem with silver and blood out soon

[silver scaffold]

Gyat tho

Phat ass

[unkempt basin]

Deleted cause that might be inappropriate

[minor crown]

so confident that they are reading the thread

🙏

u can be the light that cuts through the darkness

hope will never die

[unkempt basin]

I mean it is ridiculous that they only posted on reddit

[minor crown]

yea lol, they could just c/p it to discord + other social media platforms

[unkempt basin]

Or at least not post on discord

[prisma orbit]

Not offical imo or it was a pr response to the shitshow on reddit

[scarlet folio]

sums up their announcement? why need compensation, apologies and promises not enough for you guys??

[uncut ocean]

The biggest shitshow is here

[prisma orbit]

Nah reddit was worse

[minor crown]

the only formal announcements are 2 pinned messages (and the chances of people checking pins is like kinda low) and a reddit post on the ER subreddit with less followers that is official

[minor crown]

r/gachagaming tho

ngl some of the comments made me chuckle

like they recreated e7 including the 2018 drama

[prisma orbit]

😭

[uncut ocean]

Well its friday morning in China. If nothing by today probably expect nothing in a few days or never.

[prisma orbit]

I give them 5 buisness days

[minor crown]

jack broke his hip while swinging from his private yacht's chandelier

so he cant come to the phone

[odd berry]

bruh

[prisma orbit]

What happened to jack tho, he used to comment on threads more than 1k comments during beta

Sadge

[minor crown]

dont judge him, he was tryna be like hoyan when she flies around

the funny thing is

he commented on male:female ratio but it's silence here

💀

but that was a pre-beta thread so

[prisma orbit]

Tbf male female ratio was more important

[odd berry]

i wouldnt wonder when some here send some killers how hard some raged here xd

[unkempt basin]

Maybe he really is at a private yacht, who knows

[odd berry]

[prisma orbit]

Lol tru

[minor crown]

he has a fleet of yachts

like the navy

[odd berry]

[minor crown]

while dawei funds a nuclear reactor

jack wants a fleet of private yachts

[prisma orbit]

Anyways im ready for the 14th

[minor crown]

wtf

[odd berry]

same

[minor crown]

ill look the other way if i get holden within 10 pulls

[prisma orbit]

What if i get it from the ssr ticket

[minor crown]

then we can trade accounts

[prisma orbit]

Nahhhh

[minor crown]

tf

so rude smh

[unkempt basin]

You receive a dot team, I get to actually progress, deal?

[prisma orbit]

?

[unkempt basin]

Need more purple tofu

[minor crown]

https://tenor.com/view/i-refuse-anime-asobi-asobase-cute-kawaii-gif-12486285

[prisma orbit]

My dot team works wonders so no ty

[uncut ocean]

Its shadow sonia

[minor crown]

bet

[prisma orbit]

Can auto terror hell 4

[prisma orbit]

Id like that tbh, mines already at 3 dupes

2 more and shes maxed

Yay

[odd berry]

[minor crown]

c is hiding in the bathroom trying to stall until saturday

[prisma orbit]

Hes stuck at meetings at work

[odd berry]

he sit besides me wdym?

[minor crown]

dam yall use the same stall

[odd berry]

this c atm

[minor crown]

kinda weird

[odd berry]

this c atm

[minor crown]

so do u sit on his lap or does he sit on ur lap

[odd berry]

[unkempt basin]

Banned

Reason: Impersonating a community manager

[odd berry]

maybe both?

[odd berry]

[minor crown]

u know what, equal opportunity

[odd berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yaperni-push-funny-chair-gif-15026013

[odd berry]

https://tenor.com/view/developer-tester-relationship-gif-23489560

[unkempt basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1108989986268778607/1211743713907441714/20231101121535.gif

[odd berry]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-fall-firstdayoffall-michael-gif-18553281

[odd berry]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-monster-dab-dabbing-godzilla-dab-gif-17646085

[minor crown]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-gif-1890448314464026171

[minor crown]

im gonna call ur bff the best worst gamer

[odd berry]

[autumn plaza]

GIVE 5 FREE RESETS YOU COWARDS

[minor crown]

https://tenor.com/view/i-refuse-anime-asobi-asobase-cute-kawaii-gif-12486285

[autumn plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sunset-javgag-gif-6354990519690233079

[odd berry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wok-the-rock-the-rock-sus-the-rock-meme-the-rock-eyebrows-gif-23750956

[calm grail]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-hsr-surprised-shock-robin-hsr-surprised-shock-gif-7640191318318417014

[short bay]

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-i-cannot-read-gif-10549564367608169258

[rich granite]

Man the Reddit thread is just getting more upvotes and comments by the day… and more videos are coming out about this. The devs really need to do something tonight

[waxen rain]

give us the free resets its not hard

they are shooting themselves in the foot

we invested in dot teams based on the knowledge given from beta and patch notes

then it was changed a week in aftter investments were made

give us the resets

its so simple

[rich granite]

At this point it’s gotta be more than that. They have waited too long

[shy kite]

I invested everything into my DoT team and this nerf shouldn't have happened. At least not without warning and just hand out like 5 free resets so we can put our efforts onto something else that can work

[floral dove]

not giving resets when doing the hotfix shows how much they give a shit. even if they do anything atp its just damage control

[waxen rain]

They keep throwing the phrase "bug fix" as if it means anything. Bottom line was the information was not made available to the public

[placid raft]

The longer they wait the worse it gets, more and more people are quitting / back charging idk why they aren't rushing to address it.

its like they think their half assed apology fixed it

[waxen rain]

because they think they are right because they call it a bug fix

saying its how it always was intended

[placid raft]

Yeah well I hope they enjoy fixing bugs in a dead game.

[waxen rain]

but hte point is the information was not known to the public at all and we couldn't see the boss until lvl 30 which was 5 days in

doesn't matter how they try to spin it

everyone assumed dots worked on aurora

literally everyone

and made decisions based on that knowledge

[deep pawn]

"erm akshually 🤓 ☝️ it's a bug fix and devs intention" mfs

[copper nexus]

yea free resets aren't gonna cut it anymore lol

[minor crown]

I can send u C's feet pics

if that changes anything

[uncut ocean]

Hi guys. We realized Lilys versatility is bugged so we will nerf her twintrick.

[tulip patio]

Whether I whale more or get a refund is based on if and how they respond. They have done a lot to kill the hype for the game. They will need to give more than a "sorry you misunderstood, we'll do better to make sure you understand better next time."

[deep pawn]

No, they'll just edit the text on a number of some major bosses skills to include the ability to strip Twin Trick from the player, as it "was intentional from the start" lol. By doing this, they can indirectly lower the value a character people payed for without nerfing her actual kit, and doubles as their bait to recruit white knights that don't understand the concept of indirect nerfs/buffs to defend bad practices.

[snow hinge]

If they cared they would have done compensation. Guess they have not learned from Black Beacon

[tulip patio]

What is Black Beacon, and what happened?

[frigid scarab]

Any official response yet?

[placid raft]

Nope, complete radio silence. Not even the CMs are mediating anymore.

Just the bullshit "oops sorry it was a bug" statement yesterday.

[frigid scarab]

nah they know it was not a bug, if it was then at least they should have come out and said it instead of doing it the way they did it BS

[potent harness]

there was out of touch response, "we will tell u next time, we will be better, pinky promise" no compensation mentioned whatsoever

[frigid scarab]

no CC is saying anything? I watched a CC mention it in a video but didnt want to say anything else until the official response

[swift falcon]

This is the official response: https://old.reddit.com/r/Etheria_Official/comments/1l8zxq5/annoucement_regarding_recent_adjustments/

[potent harness]

@frigid scarab i havn't seen one yet, if there is

[placid raft]

And no word from CMs (that I've seen yet) on if they're discussing compensation or anything. Seems like they think a statement is all it takes to make this right lol. Just no real word what so ever outside of that extremely out of touch announcement

[tulip patio]

Volkin's response was weak. He said in his stream that it was made a mountain out of a mole hill, and that their lack of response made it worse. He didn't think the changes were that big of a deal. Seanb is the only who has even fyully acknowledge it that I've seen, and he just wants to see if they respond.Im confident Seanb won't be scared to call em on it

[waxen rain]

content creators getting paid by ehteria restart

[placid raft]

Volkin's response would have been different if he invested in a dot team and couldn't reset. And is probably just trying to keep his partnership.

[waxen rain]

thats why none of them have come out and said something

gotta keep the bag rolling in

if they say something bad they might hurt future opportunities

can't blame em

thats how it is

[frigid scarab]

WTF is DoT? They clearly don't want dots in the game

[swift falcon]

I saw one CC say literally this. He did the "If I speak, I am in big trouble" thing

[tulip patio]

Who was that?

[subtle sonnet]

its a bad precedent if they dont address this properly. So scummy to have this "hotfix" without any proper address and compensation for DOT users. Wait till the next hotfix affect Diting and Lily then those white knights will only know the pain

[potent harness]

some ninjas "woopsie oopse here a "hotfix" tehe"

[swift falcon]

I don't want to call anyone out here specifically, they were getting trigger happy about that during the dupe situation. But it's someone who streams on twitch and youtube.

[tulip patio]

Gotcha

[swift falcon]

They were actually more mad about the lack of 2x drop event, lol

[rich granite]

XD as a studio has a history of issues. I should have known better but here we are

[subtle sonnet]

Players here just want a proper and transparent address to the issue but NOPE not gonna say anything.

[steel ravine]

a good chunk of those content creators just hop games whenever the hype dies, it is in their best interest to not contribute to the death of the hype

no hate tho, I do like Volkin and a few others who just actively ignored or downplayed the situation, I do understand that their income is to some extent directly influenced by the positive/negative things they say

[rich granite]

A CC said that yesterday too lol

It’s not looking good that creators are scared to speak out

[subtle sonnet]

paid actors

[rich granite]

But seiishizo said on his video today that the content creators have been complaining to the devs on discord so we shall see

[potent harness]

I want a baldy cover this issue

[rich granite]

Talking about tec?

[deep pawn]

https://play.google.com/store/account/orderhistory

Refund link for Google play peeps. Speak with your wallets ig

[rich granite]

Because ain’t no way he touches this situation with his sponsorship

[deep pawn]

desktop site, not app

[potent harness]

yep dicktone

[scarlet folio]

Diting, an SR unit thats easy to maxd out, being able to clear all contents, gonna be a bad look once they see him everywhere in clear times... thats not good for profit they did nerf victor already because he can dps + survive, DOT dead, diting possible "a abnormal buff issue" was seen on his kit

[potent harness]

it's fine if there a reset at minimum, SG would give a reset + a selector, no pulling a ninja too

[frigid scarab]

The fact that the only announcements we get is in a discord forum thread (not even an official announcement it's just 2 pinned messages in the thread) and a reddit post in the sub that while official has less followers (which means people will likely go to the unofficial one with more followers)

I looked on the announcement and official news here on discord and found nothing just like this reddit user says

[swift falcon]

I think they posted on reddit specifically because of the r/gachagaming thread yesterday.

[frigid scarab]

"We want to establish clear expectations that balance adjustments will occur regularly"

Translation: We will nerf whatever character and we will buff whatever boss whenever we want. And we won't offer any compensation since it's for "healthy gameplay", so be grateful peasants for it and buy the next shiny character and maybe if you're good boys and girls you'll get lucky and we won't nerf it for you. Or we will. We'll play the gacha of nerfing and you'll get the results.

[scarlet folio]

Tbh, the way they speak now, and the way they talked during beta, is like 2 different teams... Like they switched to their real identity or something

[steel ravine]

reddit post was just a chatgpt text made by a community manager to praise community managers

not sure if we will get a proper dev response

[sly zinc]

ngl Jack's involment with this discord during beta give me so much hope for the game but i guess it was all just a stunt

[quaint jasper]

Don't worry guys

Nothing server 4 won't fix

[weak basin]

Seiishizo mentioned it recently

[flat anchor]

Where is Jack? Is he bugfixing his Yacht?

[flat anchor]

The best part is that nobody had any issue with this infact people WANTED regular looks at the roster

What they didn't want is unannounced PVE nerfs of a premium unit whose only purpose is PVE

[quaint jasper]

dev dupes don't work in discord

[sturdy mango]

Etheria is "popular" enough to get the biggest and the most wholesome gacha community's attention?

[flat anchor]

"Fixed an issue were Dev Jack was showing up in the Discord"

[placid raft]

No one wanted PvE content shadow buffed from beta -> live either. Beta was so much fun, they did not need to adjust anything (in terms of bosses). There's just so much they messed up since the game went live.

[swift falcon]

Etheria partnered with gachagaming, they even had an in-game code and a stickied thread

[foggy cliff]

Yeah with no details for remedying the situation, not even resets for those who built Shadow Sania for Aurora

Like, the least they could do would be provide 2-3 free resets

[rich granite]

Well guys… go watch the Holden skill video. They’re selling the solution to terror and aurora lol. AoE dispel and a full turnmeter depletion

[flat anchor]

based on the holden kit that just dropped I wouldn't be suprised if this is the 2 banner system they're going to do from now

1 PvP unit and 1 PvE unit

[sage kelp]

i like the game but i definitely dont want to spend anymore if this is their idea of "balancing". The idea of this wasn't as intended and they still didn't see all of their beta tester numbers for speed clears and the plethora of Content Creators making vids on this is kind of wild.