Shadow Buff Terrormaton and Aurora.

[last temple]

And some of the best male designs

Imo

Etheria is the first gacha game I wanna actively use some male characters because they're cool

And very strong, but still

[rich granite]

I’m very much enjoying the male characters

[last temple]

Agreed

[hollow iris]

what a launch "captain the week hasn't even ended yet"

[unkempt basin]

im gonna do rerolls on new server, haven't gotten the experience yet

cause beta rebate

might as well derive some form of enjoyment while waiting for news

[hollow iris]

yea, i was a spendy mc spender to

Right now theres a race between my banks processing time on chargebacks and these devs fixing their shit

[winter prawn]

o7 fellos ssania gamers

[unkempt basin]

[unkempt basin]

who tf made this

lmao

[hollow iris]

cursed

furry friends go away, this is waifu chads home

for goddess sania

[unkempt basin]

is that the way we can get diting nerfed

[winter prawn]

me

[unkempt basin]

if you play diting you're a furry

[last temple]

o7

[hollow iris]

the social stigma is a good start

[unkempt basin]

but then again isn't ssania deer themed

am I... a hypocrite

[last temple]

Yeah ssania does have some sort of animal theme going on

So not the best way

Yk what I never understand

How is Ssania more gimmicky than Diting

When he does half a boss hp in one cycle

[unkempt basin]

tbf most gacha put their most complicated units in higher tiers

[hollow iris]

no furry features, we're safe

[unkempt basin]

at least the ones i played

[last temple]

Sir are those not antlers(I've been informed these are likely not antlers)

[hollow iris]

Demons can have antlers to

[last temple]

Hm

[unkempt basin]

tbh i really the way she just goes full eldritch

[hollow iris]

we're just satainists

[last temple]

Fair point

[unkempt basin]

that's the part that attracts me the most

[last temple]

Me too

her design is so good

I'm a big fan of it

[hollow iris]

evil cutie

[last temple]

So it kills me inside that I can't invest in her anymore

[foggy cliff]

Can be Chinese Dragon horns

[last temple]

Hmm

Fair

I think I'm wrong then

[unkempt basin]

nice save

time to spread diting users are furries propaganda

[last temple]

These valid points have been brought to my attention

I retract my statement

[hollow iris]

furries who can shoot like 30 bars of damage in one ult to union boss

[last temple]

Lmfao yep

[hollow iris]

they'll cry at the bullying in their piles of inferno modules

[last temple]

That's what makes me upset the most

[unkempt basin]

dw, most people would have stopped reading at your first word

[last temple]

That S sania is already restricted from so much content

And now she's being restricted from MORE

[hollow iris]

again, i just am baffled at the decision to make farming have the difficulty of proper end game pve content

like the thing we're supposed to spend our stamina on lmao

[unkempt basin]

yes and it's not like they don't have proper endgame pve

so why not adjust those instead

[hollow iris]

right

make ember trek the big e-peen territory

[unkempt basin]

ye fuck it i mean we're used to hp inflations by now right

since this was the "hsr killer"

[hollow iris]

"Check out this pvp game!" cant get gear for it

[hollow iris]

anyone who thought that was delusional, completely different audiences

HSR is my favorite anime lmao

[unkempt basin]

i hekin lub hoyobers

[hollow iris]

the "challenge" is a 30 minute biweekly end game mode and people still willing to whale over it

nutty

im just there for my 10 hour story every 6 weeks and to fuck around with whoever i successfully roll

[unkempt basin]

tbh im more attracted to the rpg aspects of building a character and maximizing gear on these games

i rly liked ER's gear system if it's a copy of E7 then it's my first exposure to it

[hollow iris]

yea its a copy of E7

this game is just epic 7, but from 2018.

[unkempt basin]

anything noteworthy differences

aside from the walled gear grind of course

[hollow iris]

uh epic 7 had a cost to unequip gear

but it also gives you way more currency

so eh

[alpine sonnet]

e7 gearing is also more targeted

[quaint jasper]

I don't need to do 50 runs of wyvern to +15 a gear

[alpine sonnet]

instead of just getting pieces you get materials that you use to craft specific pieces

[hollow iris]

theres a 'artifact' slot where you can equip a gachable png that gives stats

and abilities

can seriously change how a character feels or plays

[unkempt basin]

i c

[alpine sonnet]

artifacts basically just shells but from the gacha

and more diverse

[hollow iris]

Right, i dont know how my brain didnt make the shells = artifacts conversion

probably because shells are way simpler

shells are a more f2p friendly concept

[unkempt basin]

makes sense since it's grindable rather than gacha

[hollow iris]

epic 7 very much likes to create problem characters then sell the solution to the problem character in the next banner

[alpine sonnet]

^

[unkempt basin]

were they at least transparent about it or the playerbase just get used to getting fucked over?

[hollow iris]

i mean, they dont really communicate but the intents obvious

people jsut put up with it

since theres enough of a roster to at least have a chance

[alpine sonnet]

this is an extreme example but they released a broken LD unit in e7 and then an RGB unit at the same. they then tried to give the RGB unit a special exclusive equipment to counter that particular LD unit

[hollow iris]

still a piss off tho

[alpine sonnet]

like 3 months later

it literally said "if fighting (LD Unit), do this"

[hollow iris]

OH yea thats a fun controversy

[alpine sonnet]

granted tho the backlask was so bad they scrapped it but it was still funny

[hollow iris]

epic 7 likes their playerbase just enough to not fug em over

but still wants to fleece

[unkempt basin]

i mean it's a company at the end of the day

can't blame them

but at least make it enjoyable for your consumers

[hollow iris]

the new player experience is better than this one they know that people are signing up for the pvp so you're end game farming highest rarity "modules" by day 3

i think that also threw me off

i came to a pvp game

jsut to get walled by the pve

[unkempt basin]

that is pretty hilarious tho, guess they tried catering to those looking for pve as well but end up catering to no one but whales

[quaint jasper]

Yeah imagine if they gave you all the units and the gear to farm hell 4 that's basically what e7 does today with the new hunt guides

[hollow iris]

its weird, because epic 7 has "challenge pve modes" as well

[spiral wedge]

anyone know how to fix abnormal environemnt error

[hollow iris]

and you aitn clearing those on day 3

[swift falcon]

I actually don't like pvp but the PVE progression in beta felt amazing, much better than other turn based games. But the shadow nerfs for launch just make it feel awful so there's not much left for me in the game

[hollow iris]

well most of em anyway

[rich granite]

Yup you can clear most content in the first week

[unkempt basin]

ye i personally did enjoy it

altho i still hate the fact that I lose 1 stamina for limit testing

[hollow iris]

honestly i felt confident about building my massiah as i did because the pve felt nice and easy

[rich granite]

Beta was absolutely amazing and made me love the game and now launch has me questioning everything

[hollow iris]

so its like yea, why not invest in the guy

now i have ti manual for nearly 7 mins

fml

[quaint jasper]

I was watching pokke's streams of e7 and he was doing shit like getting to champion in arena, getting past abyss 100, doing all the hunts and rift, etc all in 1 - 2 weeks. And he's like champion in rta last I checked

[unkempt basin]

i don't envy you

haiyah pokke

im an ex helper in his server

a lot of him and his helpers had a falling out

[hollow iris]

well, as i mentioned did a chargeback. We'll see whats faster my bank processing it or etheria giving me back confidence lmao

[unkempt basin]

that would be fun to watch

[hollow iris]

its funny you mentioned catering to whales

but its catered to whales*

*who invested in the right team comps, otherwise get bent

[unkempt basin]

yeah like even whaling isn't enough

you have to know what to whale for

kidna funny

[hollow iris]

my S5S4S1 Mizuki is the ultimate bench warmer

[swift falcon]

and you just have to get lucky, no matter how much you spend you might not get certain units

[rich granite]

Tell that to the guy who built a +5 massiah and is just brute forcing all the content

[hollow iris]

That guy Krakened

[quaint jasper]

It just seems really overtuned. Like in e7 the wyvern hunt has dozens of units and a dozen viable teams. Sure the roster here is a lot smaller but it feels like unless you build these certain units you see in those top level clears then you just can't clear it until they release god tier pve units

[hollow iris]

I have a S4S4S5 Massiah with 2 dupes

[rich granite]

Absolutely

[hollow iris]

he still takes 6 and a half minutes

on manual

for hell 4

and he cant even auto hell 3

[rich granite]

Yeah he needs proper support. Lily and Freya are a must

[hollow iris]

yep, i got them

but they're both S1S1S1

[rich granite]

To be fair he isn’t designed for terror

[hollow iris]

this is doki

terror i cant even manual hell 3

forget 4

[rich granite]

You would need stupid high investment for a fast doki clear

[hollow iris]

apparently S4S4S5 isnt stupid high on a apex unit ;_;

[rich granite]

Nope. You need cracked gear and dupes if you want a fast massiah farm for doki

[hollow iris]

he has 2 dupes

;_;

god dang

[alpine sonnet]

not enough clearly, go for 5

[hollow iris]

this game just makes me want to play epic 7

[rich granite]

Why would you hurt yourself like that

[alpine sonnet]

that was the reason i was so excited for this one to begin with, epic 7 esque game but i get to play since day 1?? that sounds rad

[hollow iris]

theres only painful options around but at least thats a pain i can cope with

[alpine sonnet]

but they had to fuck it up a solid Week into launch

[rich granite]

Wait for godforge

[rich granite]

This launch has been one of the worst I’ve personally seen

[hollow iris]

to raid shadow legendsy graphic wise

theres something about that art style

it throws me off

i dont like it

[rich granite]

Fair the devs were inspired by raid for that game

[alpine sonnet]

i feel like gachas in general for the past like. few years

[hollow iris]

tbh idont midn inspiration gameplay wise

i did try raid

seemed fine

[alpine sonnet]

they cannot launc without One (1) controversry

its not possible there is no such thing as a smooth gacha launch

[hollow iris]

its jsut graphically i find the character designs unappealing

guan yu kinda looked cool

but thats about it

[hollow iris]

bruh there's been many is the worst bit ;_;

I think the only thing that will stop me from pciking up epic 7 is because shadowverse is around the corner

and i can jsut cope with that until chaos zero nightmare

imma sleep good night, i love everyone here who wasn't a shill, you know who you are

[unkempt basin]

night, hope you wake up to some good news

[sly zinc]

g9, tks for letting me know about chaos zero lol

at least have somthing to looking forward

[hollow iris]

and close to release, the discord for the past 6 months was naming the game Chaos Zero News because they went radio silence after the delay

ok now good night for real

[rich granite]

Love you too

[alpine sonnet]

gngn

[rich granite]

It’s already after 12pm in China you think we’d have heard something by now if we’re going to tonight

[unkempt basin]

new server 🔥

[rich granite]

That’s the real important news

[alpine sonnet]

Plus an hour ago they released the teasers for the new units so its looking more and more unlikely

[small tendon]

oof

[uncut ocean]

Lol this thread 10k comments.

[alpine sonnet]

the fact they havent said anything is honestly insane, i cant even believe it

[sly zinc]

and i guess 10k is still not enough to get an response from the devs

[alpine sonnet]

especially when so many people are saying "give us a free refresh and we'll be happy"

[quaint jasper]

They can't even give us some "we're discussing it internally" statement

So for all we know they're just doing nothing

[unkempt basin]

got an ad about ER

emphasis on being "IN TOUCH WITH THE COMMUNITY"

you have got to be shitting me

[alpine sonnet]

LOL

[small tendon]

me neither

im guessing they waiting for patch day or something

or

they just dgaf

[uncut ocean]

Improved communication = lets only adress this officially on reddit + some comments here that will get quickly pushed up.

[wispy solar]

They can at least says that they acknowledge the problem

[small tendon]

very true

not sure what's going on

maybe the number actually affected by this is small enough that they can just ignore it

[livid rampart]

No effect because the ppl that know are already playing the ppl that just started don't know so don't care and anyone thinking about starting isn't even going to consider it

[magic wind]

Their silence is insane

[small tendon]

They made another error in the holden/hoyan twitter post, saying the unit can only be summoned with apex, then fixing it shortly after

Why are there so many mistakes?

Theres also the one where the new unit mizuki was listed as odd in patch notes, then changed to green on release

Is there just no one checking or is it just done by ai or something

[grand vapor]

She wasn't odd in the patch notes, she was green she was listed as odd in a deleted Twitter post

[small tendon]

Yeah

[grand vapor]

Which was deleted cuz it was wrong

[small tendon]

Cant really remember

Anyway there was a mistake

Is it possible that its just one intern doing all this lmao

[sly zinc]

Yes lol

Their entire communication with global might be carried by a few interns lmao

[small tendon]

Any kind of info they release, 70% chance theres some mistake

Just feels really unprofessional tbh

[sly zinc]

I have played many cn, kr game with scuffed translation before but even they are better at communication than this

[graceful dust]

how y'all feel about them making the very first unit be a counter to speed

[storm trench]

I won't be surprised if all these was intentional.
Something something bad publicity still a publicity.

[graceful dust]

the regret on that farm must be crazy

[small tendon]

Who?

[graceful dust]

Hoyan

[storm trench]

It has always been the case

It's either Cleave or Bruiser

[graceful dust]

you saying that but the hive mind was not saying that yesterday

[sly zinc]

Even if no Hoyan spd becomes less effective few weeks in was a seeable thing anyway

[graceful dust]

they was saying speed is king

[storm trench]

For now Cleave reigns supreme but later on Bruiser comes on top and the cycle repeats again

[graceful dust]

as i was saying the hivemind was not saying that yesterday

they was saying speed was king

but this unit is clearly anti speed and cleave

[sly zinc]

Atm yes lol, they are not wrong

But better gear, better hp def immunity and everything will make slow tanky comp more viable and harder to cleave

[graceful dust]

Hoyan is a must pull for me now tho

i just gotta make sure i build Birge and Helkid perfectly

Birge Frey Helkid Lilith Viper Beyontin hell maybe even Mizu

[small tendon]

do we even know her skills?

the one on pyrdwen is from 2 betas ago

[sand plinth]

what was the Shadow Buff?

[small tendon]

they might have completely changed her skills

[sand plinth]

Boss got stronger or just dot immunity

[solid harness]

I was wondering why they seemed so much harder than Doki Doki

[flat anchor]

I mean I guess it's correct, they're so in touch with the community they're ghosting us in DMs

[flat anchor]

who the f is birge

[weak basin]

Probably the dude with the dogs but misspelled

[flat anchor]

lmao

[graceful dust]

the video is on the youtube

[graceful dust]

you new?

Birge is a unit that scales completely off raw attack into his HP

doesn't need much to be built into counter speed cleave

[weak basin]

Borgne

[graceful dust]

the Raw attack also beefs up his HP

that's what i said Birge

[weak basin]

Ok

[livid rampart]

b o r g n e

[small tendon]

Borg-knee

Bourne

Bolognee

[inland osprey]

So if terror didn't change did people find out why their diting was doing less damage 👀

[small tendon]

Self delusion

[inland osprey]

Wasn't there video of previous clear showing gear into actual clear showing gear

[small tendon]

When many people start to say "hey my diting seems to be doing less damage, they buffed terro"

People start to believe it

[inland osprey]

I just saw video showing their previous clear 40sec into impossible to clear lol

[small tendon]

Link?

[soft jasper]

Give people a recall again to recall dot teams be done with this stupid thread

[alpine sonnet]

^

crazy this is all people have been asking for and still nothing lol

[magic wind]

Instead they try to sell us a new unit feels very out of touch

[inland osprey]

Was guy posting it in this chat further up

[sly zinc]

3 more free resets, an apology and promise for better communication in patch note/roadmap is all i need but it seems they cant even do that

[tough storm]

@soft jasper a recall for dot characters is reasonable.

[soft jasper]

Yes that what other games do when something gets gutted and people are said they announce it then do it so people know who to invest on next instead of sitting on dead no longer useable unit

[magic wind]

That fixes most issues but not the Shadow Sania issue or what I like to call her now Black Sheep Sania

[sly zinc]

I played many gachas before, having an intentional bad unit to mess up the pool is not a rare thing and i can live with that, but keeping silence and refuse to communicate is just not it lol

[vivid scroll]

Link?

[minor crown]

the devs are currently stranded on Jack's private yacht so they can't make an official notice for the CMs to post 😔

[storm bluff]

Guess still no news? ✨

[odd berry]

did u see anything?

i guess no except of new unit video

[atomic sundial]

the devs don't car and the community managers are trying the best they can to manage the situation without any response whatsoever

Because the release LD was a guy so they'll release a LD girl next
people have no reason to complain when the release LD banner is Massiah and he's extremely strong and multiple male characters (like Diting, Rahu, etc...) are top tier

[last temple]

Yeah if LD banner rotates between existing ones, next one will probably be Doki or Lily

[last temple]

One of the best characters in the game is Heinrich as well

[storm bluff]

Others: „Hell yeah, got a messiah that can crush dps pve and pvp easy mode“

Other others: „Sick man my Heinrich enables my team to clear everything“

Other other others: „Lily best unit to n the game, period.“

Me: „Wild, dupe pulled Shadow Sania and the dot team - not sure if I even wanna build, cause lategame kinda wasted…“ - at some point decided to actually build but never really felt sure about the investment…

Devs: „Let’s crush the least favourite LD SSR even more, por favor“

Me and my duped SSania: 🥲

[odd berry]

[last temple]

Hmm

Is Dahlia supposed to be immune to DoT

It doesn't say it anywhere on her

But I'm fighting her right now and S Sania hasn't applied a single one

She has Will field...

But it only control effects

Well most bosses have will field

But it's usually juts control effects

[atomic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

[last temple]

Lmfaoo

Nothing on her says she should be immune to DoT

This seems to be a bug, or it's not stated

Her ads are hit with DoT

I'll go submit a ticket for it, since this is a bit off topic here

Sorry guys

[storm bluff]

Don’t worry ran into that wall aswell

[last temple]

It's weird right

Did you ask anyone about it

[storm bluff]

Not yet, no 🙂

[last temple]

I'll do a ticket then

Since this is obviously a bug

[atomic sundial]

A DokiDoki bugfix....

[desert violet]

PR training bro

[sly zinc]

wait where can i see this lol

[atomic sundial]

https://twitter.com/etheria_restart/status/1933071779813052548

Etheria: Restart (@etheria_restart)

Etheria: Restart Update Patch Note

Dear Hyperlinkers,

To provide an enhanced adventure experience, Etheria Restart will undergo server maintenance on Friday, June 13, at 03:00 AM (UTC-5). During this period, Hyperlinkers will be temporarily unable to access the game. We kindly

X · Jun 12, 2025, 8:00 AM

[lunar parrot]

I wrote a ticket about this 2 days ago as well

[last temple]

Ah

Any response?

[lunar parrot]

Said it got sent up

So hopefully somethin

[sly zinc]

tks, i can auto hell 3 atm lets see if anything changes after this lol

[last temple]

Yeah

[stoic pier]

I know they have the new banners to work on, but not even mentioning the fuss from over here is crazy, unless i missed it

[dark comet]

I was clearing hell 4 auto now same team cant even beat hell 2 lmao

[last temple]

Rilmocha splash damage no longer kills nearby enemies

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

Anyway this has gotten off topic

With the new patch notes, I wish there was clarification regarding things

Like the doki doki

Change

Hopefully no more shadow changes

[rocky coral]

There was a doki change?

[last temple]

https://etheria.xd.com/us/news/single?id=a4419uNO0Ihf

Here's the patch notes

[flat anchor]

why are they still being so vague

[last temple]

Erm

[flat anchor]

what does "abnormal enemy buffs" even mean?

[last temple]

Where does it say Dahlia is supposed to be immune to DoT

[last temple]

Who knows

[flat anchor]

It reads like Doki was harder than it is supposed to be

but who knows with these devs who don't communicate

[last temple]

Yep

[sly zinc]

in hell IV my 30k HP Lingluo got mowed down in 3 hít, she has def up and they have atk down

[last temple]

Yep

[nocturne turret]

abnormal enemy buffs = buffs weren't strong enough!!

[last temple]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

Does anyone have any proof that Dahlia was not immune to DoT in the beta

[civic stag]

No compensation guys pack up 😂

[wispy solar]

Have you tried asking the support about more reconfiguration after the DOT drama?

[last temple]

I can

[storm bluff]

Guess support doesn’t know who Dahlia is, fairly unimportant boss tho (Not for me cause i can’t clear it yet😂)

[wispy solar]

Anyway, where can I contact the support?

[last temple]

There's an ingame

In settings

Settings -> other -> customer service

[last temple]

Yep

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

[wispy solar]

Thanks

[last temple]

Np

[sly zinc]

So you guys are telling me we have a boss with DoT immune tooltip but not actually immune and a boss with no tooltip but immune to DoT

[last temple]

Yep

[sly zinc]

and now they both immune lol

[last temple]

Indeed

Well that didn't help much

[inland osprey]

If it's got same name they just changed that skill to be immune

[last temple]

Hopefully it get changes though I guess

[inland osprey]

Ezfix no effort

Who needs check if skill used elseware

[last temple]

Yep

[inland osprey]

Next they'll release a character with will field who makes team immune to dot

[weak basin]

Search a guy named teach in here

[inland osprey]

https://youtu.be/YOQIRTHR-78?si=Z67IYyCZ9wwSvLrf

[weak basin]

Wut?

[weak basin]

Now they are changing it in front of your face

[small tendon]

[last temple]

True

I also just had the thought that we don't actually know if the DoT tooltip was on Aurora before the hotfix

So now I'm scrubbing vods before the hotfix

[inland osprey]

Pretty sure someone had a picture and it wasn't

looked same as that one above

[last temple]

I want to make sure, just to keep information accurate

[sly zinc]

there is proof of Aurora tooltip before hotfix, it has the immune

[last temple]

Can you send

[sly zinc]

uhhh let me find lol

[weak basin]

Nah jenazad’s stream had the immune to dot

[small tendon]

The entire issue came from them not including this in patch notes

and the terro pushback resist as well

[last temple]

Agreed 100%

But just trying to make sure everything that was stated is true

[last temple]

What's the date though

[sly zinc]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2481191999?t=06h49m58s

here the stream

[last temple]

Thanks

Alright so it seems that the DoT was always there after global

[scarlet folio]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[rigid meteor]

[keen wadi]

they really looked at Black Beacon and Infinity Nikki and thought lemme get that too

"fixed abnormal enemy buffs" ok but what exactly is fixed? give numbers show which buffs explain a bit more

inbefore the enemies get stronger buffs now as the abnormality was how low the buff was

[scarlet folio]

"def + 50% to all minions" enemy buff apparently not working?

[odd berry]

10k guys now make it 20k

[last temple]

Yep

Still no announcement regarding it is sad

The slowness in answers and only getting anything from C is a shame

[odd berry]

it was a announcement jsut said fck off lit. xd

[last temple]

Lmfao

Yep

We got patch notes with more 'fixes' incoming to a threshold boss

[odd berry]

yeah

[last temple]

Atleast it's not a shadow

[odd berry]

[last temple]

Also regarding anyone that was here earlier asking about the support

Oh I sent it already

No need to send again then

[fresh sail]

did they change something else?

[desert violet]

hes catching Ls across every platform rn so i think he avoiding the subject as much as possible now

[last temple]

Oh yeah I don't blame him

[desert violet]

[last temple]

As great as he's been, some of the things that he's said have backfired for sure

And it's unfortunate

Since it's not 100% his fault

[desert violet]

They need more PR training

[last temple]

Not just that, they don't seem to be in the know about things that much

So they're in that dark as much as us for some things

And that's not good

[unkempt basin]

Welp that's one hell of a middle finger by not saying anything regarding this situation

[limber scarab]

tried raising a ticket since I invested all my resources in the 3 dot characters before the nerf. Customer Service does not give a shiiii

[unkempt basin]

Nah they're automated

Atp

[limber scarab]

yeah got some bot responses, but some obvious real ones. neither were very helpful lol

[unkempt basin]

Anytime there's a mention of dot i feel like they always just say, original intention blah blah

[pine jasper]

man this is still going XD

[limber scarab]

XD

I wouldn't be as mad if this was the first miscommunication/ issue from these devs

spent a fair amount already but halted now (and getting refund through Paypal lol) since I'm pretty worried about the direction we're headed

[last temple]

I mean it's definitely amplified from having previous issues, but this is a pretty serious issue in general

[limber scarab]

I MIGHT just reroll a F2P account and wait a few weeks to see how the community develops

[last temple]

Fair

[last temple]

Definitely feels that way

[limber scarab]

It's disheartening to see their (lack of) response more than anything. Out of touch devs won't make it in the gacha 2025 economy

[unkempt basin]

It's not addressed, so of course it is

[last temple]

Yeah it really is disheartening

[pine jasper]

it is from their side its done

they dont see themself at fault

all you can do now is vote with your $

[spark hill]

What did they do?

[pine jasper]

or move on

they say it was a fix and the terror stat buff was not put on in the hotfix

[limber scarab]

that's the out of touch part. You can see recent examples from Nikke and Limbus to name a couple. the Devs responded quickly and even straight up apologised

[pine jasper]

so it was a bug

[pine jasper]

i dont agree with the devs

just saying we dont get compensated

i would love to see the 3 resets for ppl who ivnested into dot with aurora in mind

[limber scarab]

it may have been a bug, but with the context of CCs having videos with DoT teams, in game text being wrong and Resource scarcity should mean something (unless you're out of touch)

[spark hill]

The terror stat buff happened on live release and the bugfix for aurora happend because the dot immunity bugged out.

[limber scarab]

but they didn't mention the stat buff right?

[sly zinc]

atp we dont even ask for changes man, we only want 3 resets thats it

[limber scarab]

that's the issue

[pine jasper]

the bigger issue is terrible communication the second time similair to the dupe fiasco

If we keep going on the one who takes the blame will be C and co

[last temple]

I did confirm ingame text was showing DoT before the hotfix, but this is only post-global

[timber lodge]

Did they change something again? My stable doki4 1:40 min clear now fails 100% of the time

[pine jasper]

its the weather

[last temple]

Nothing changed, new patch is in 2 days

[unkempt basin]

@clear wadi will the issue be further addressed? The only thing keeping me from uninstalling is that there will be some sort of response, but if devs think it's a done deal then at least inform us so we can all stop wasting our time

[spark hill]

Ehm i wouldnt mind if they would have told us on the balance changes last time because they also told us the charakter changes but it was a beta and a beta is always subject to change so i personally didnt expect it would release in the exact same state as beta.

[pine jasper]

im more worried about communication and another server. We end up with 1k servers which is a turn off for ppl. Its like VIP in those old gacha games.

[last temple]

Yeah but they also didn't tell us all the character changes (marvell speed nerf)

[limber scarab]

there's a lot of missinfo about Marvel

[spark hill]

I dont know personally about which speed nerf you are talking about, but it doesnt bother me a bit, because it was a beta.

[limber scarab]

his change was beta to release, not hotfix

[last temple]

Yes, but that was not included in the patch notes

[limber scarab]

still dumb they didn't put it in the patch notes lol

[spark hill]

I am confused are you expecting them to give us every single number switch they did from a beta to live?

[gleaming rover]

yes

[distant tulip]

literally yes

[sly zinc]

they show us multiplier changes then why not spd stats

[limber scarab]

why wouldn't they? every other game does

[sly zinc]

its way more important than hp or def

[last temple]

Subtract 10 frmo the second because the new speed changes

[unkempt basin]

Im more confused why you don't expect them to do this, especially in a pvp oriented game

[last temple]

Why not include all nerfs to a character that's already in the patch notes?

[gleaming rover]

because he is a CC and biased

[last temple]

4 speed is pretty significant (typo, sorry.)

For example, Fangus now outspeeds him

When built at the same speed

[spark hill]

Because it came from a beta? I didnt expect them to give us any information about anything they changed.

[unkempt basin]

Bro, we know beta is subject to change

What we don't understand is why not put the changes in the patch notes

[last temple]

Agreed, if they hadn't given anything it'd be better. But this sets the precendent for FUTURE patch notes, which is worrying if they do not include all changes.

I don't disagree with the changes from beta, most are good. What I disagree with is not including changes that are big

[spark hill]

I mean i agree that this shouldnt be the standard for live release patch notes, so its good that we voice ourselfs to provide the feedback, but i read through some of the comments people made and they werent really constructive.

[last temple]

I agree 100%, the people not giving anything constructive do more harm than good

That's why I am trying to keep everything consistent and accurate when I can

And fact check things myself

[unkempt basin]

People are emotionally charged, not everyone gonna be able to do anything constructive.

[distant tulip]

don't change anything in a characters tooltip without providing documentation, its not that difficult to grasp

[spark hill]

I dont think they would do that on live release tbh.

[last temple]

Time will tell, we can only hope

According to C, balancing will only be done at the end of seasons

[unkempt basin]

Ye atp just hope, but our concerns are not ill founded as you yourself have said

[last temple]

Unless something needs an emergency nerf

[spark hill]

But imo this whole crash out blew so hard out of proportion. This should happen if they actually change balance mid live service but not from a beta to live. But thats just my humble opinion

[unkempt basin]

People spent money

[gleaming rover]

did you build a DoT team?

[unkempt basin]

It's no surprise they're angry

Myself included

[last temple]

I can understand that perspective, but I do disagree a bit

[spark hill]

I have shadow sania and i build her later yes

[unkempt basin]

Blown out of proportion is arguable when there's money involved

[last temple]

I think if they were going to have a patch notes, including boss changes would be important enough

But that's my opinion tbh

[limber scarab]

built or goingn to build?

[ashen token]

The funniest part about all of this is that they removed DoT from bosses because it was speedrunning the game and the fastest clear time in hell 4 aurora is 0:36 and you wouldn’t believe what unit is on that team….

[distant tulip]

Theorycrafting resources people have been prepoducing for the game is based off of beta knowledge, 'subject to change' does not magically absolve you from letting people know that you've changed stuff

[last temple]

And a big reason it has blown this far is because the lack of response

[gleaming rover]

yea „later“ so it doesnt concern you really

[spark hill]

I will build it, i didnt see a reason to build before

[limber scarab]

so just say no lol

[last temple]

Not DoT.

Units that can also be used in Aurora

[ashen token]

No shit

[last temple]

Actually I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic

Sorry if you were

[spark hill]

Ohh yeah thats my team, almost the same i use for aurora

[last temple]

Oh yeah big W

Great clear time

Is that autoing it?

[spark hill]

Happened on auto yeah

[last temple]

Ah lmfao

Nice

[limber scarab]

banger#

[gleaming rover]

bro lower invest team and on auto doesnt get a nerf

but nerf DoT

[limber scarab]

sure wish I went Diting instead of DoT lol

[gleaming rover]

great logic

[ashen token]

We seeing the problem here now lol

[last temple]

Also doesn't need Lily for the faster clear

[unkempt basin]

"it was originally intended" so what, then change it cause of player feedback

[gleaming swan]

that's a nice team

[spark hill]

I mean you dont want to see my investment for that team to clear that fast 😂 💀

[gleaming rover]

yea and we even have to to play the runs

[limber scarab]

nah they can change it if it's a bug. but man, do something for the people investe dinto DoT lol

[last temple]

Yeah I was hoping S Sania AI would be better.. but she's out here ulting with the enemy at 3 dot stacks and s2 turn 1

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

[gleaming rover]

bro its lower lattice investment, freya and kloss dont need any

[unkempt basin]

With the resistances it takes me a few retries as well

[gleaming rover]

while with DoT team every character needed lattice

[unkempt basin]

Ntm you can use it for both bosses

[spark hill]

Yeah but you dont want to know how much stamina i spent to get the gear and shells to do that 😂

[unkempt basin]

Diting hotfix soon

[limber scarab]

the pain. literally sunk all my lattices into 3 Dot Characters

[spark hill]

Only really viable when you get codex thats why i didnt build dot yet.

[last temple]

Yep

Codex makes DoT so much stronger

I mean, Codex makes most strategies a lot stronger

[gleaming rover]

yea i was lucky enough to have 2 resets left, but rip to all my friends that are stuck with that team now

[unkempt basin]

Even with resets remaining

Why do I need to spend gems to accomodate to dev's miscommunication

[gleaming rover]

true also rip to my 1400 crystals

[spark hill]

I actually dont know what investment is for dot but my khloros is s3 max, my valerian is s3 max and my diting is conpletely maxed out

[limber scarab]

I used my last 2 resets to go into dot, super excited when I got Sania

[unkempt basin]

S1, s2 fang maxed, ssania s1 maxxed

I feel like that's minimum to get semi consistent clears

But it's still rng

[limber scarab]

I did Obol S3 as well...

[ashen token]

Dot teams cost more including lily

[unkempt basin]

At least obol usable outside of dot

[gleaming rover]

s1 lily max, s2/3 fangu, s3val, s1sania,s3 marvell

[unkempt basin]

S3 fangu? I only see s1/s2 :

[gleaming rover]

my bad i meant s1/2

[spark hill]

So its basically 4 gold lattice more because of lily no?

[gleaming rover]

and ssania

8

[last temple]

This is the fastest DoT team investment

[spark hill]

I mean my khloros is s3 max

[last temple]

lattice-wise

[unkempt basin]

Well he said 4 more cause he maxxed his khloros

[gleaming rover]

bruuh 4 is alot

[unkempt basin]

What does valerian do in that team? Just give invis?

[last temple]

Yep

Survival

[unkempt basin]

I runned helkid with mine

[last temple]

She's almost necessary for hell

Helkid works too

But Val might be a bit better

[gleaming rover]

i mean my DoT team was cracked i had 44-50 sec runs

[last temple]

With her s3 max

[spark hill]

I mean personally i will build dot when i get my hands on codex for terror inferno because i personally do not expect to oneshot him like that😂

[unkempt basin]

Ye very nice to prevent terror reset

[unkempt basin]

Tbf I build semi for pvp

[last temple]

Fair

[fresh sail]

why is my dokidoki hell 4 randomly not working today? targeting seems random

[gleaming rover]

but what is the use of DoT now? clear the boss that gives the worst gear?

[unkempt basin]

Man spent a lot of time, would really be a shame if I had to quit, this was my first pvp oriented gacha game as well (if you don't count league of legends )

[last temple]

League is definitely a gacha game

I mean

LOok at your teammates

[spark hill]

What do you mean terror gear is insane

[last temple]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

[unkempt basin]

Pvp wise, nah

[gleaming rover]

it is now, not in pvp

[unkempt basin]

Everyone and their mom waiting for their bulwarks

[spark hill]

Yeah but with which gear do you build your team to farm doki and aurora

[keen wadi]

tbf you only need proper gear to farm Doki

[spark hill]

I literally can only clear aurora and doki on hell because of the dps sets of terror

[keen wadi]

then once you farm hell 3/4 doki you get good gear on supports -> those will help you farm terror and aurora hell 3/4 right now

[rigid meteor]

What threshold drops ether plague?

[last temple]

Terror

[unkempt basin]

Ye terror

[rigid meteor]

Life would be fine if they revert the change on aurora

[unkempt basin]

I wouldn't even count on it atp

Im at the bargaining phase

Just let me reset

[last temple]

Yeah it's unlikely they'll full revert it

More likely just reset and leave it, or have it resist DoT so it's only like 2-3% damage instead of 4

[rigid meteor]

I'm coping hard right now that dot could be used on shell farming

still dot auto ai sucks

[unkempt basin]

That's a lot of copium

[last temple]

^

Lmfao

[spark hill]

I am sitting on 11 golden lattice and i have 0 idea one which unit i should use them on 😂

Waiting for the new units

[magic wind]

Still nothing seriously it been over 24 hours and still no response

[storm bluff]

just quit

[storm bluff]

fr? what units u got?

[elfin patrol]

where did you get 11?????

[hollow iris]

w h a l e

(its fine i whaled to lmao)

[unkempt basin]

I'll play until friday probs, if still nothing then it's chargeback time

[odd berry]

🍿

[native snow]

shadow sania, trust

[spark hill]

I mean they confirmed hoyan and holden to be the next banner units on saturday, so ill have to see how good they are and then build them if they are actually good

[steel ravine]

pretty sure we won't get anything else regarding this unless something major happens (like a 1* google play rating or major CC's covering the situation)

neither will happen tho

[spark hill]

Got 4 on mocha 4 on khloros and thats it, also i get very deep into the pve and there you get a lot of those yellow tofus

[steel ravine]

they will just lose players trust and they won't even realize it

[spark hill]

i build her later when i get codex

[odd berry]

@steel ravine should i say u the definition of insanity

[unkempt basin]

You really being like this huh

[odd berry]

bruh we're just going around in circles

we get it

refund and move on when u dont be happy or cant wait simple

i understand u all are mad af but this isnt helping too

[unkempt basin]

That's exactly what we're doing tho, we're just waiting for possibility of updates

Tbf if c didn't bother responding, i woulda quit much earlier

[odd berry]

i would hope c just close this here i am often here in this thread and i see just always the same :x

[unkempt basin]

Ye it'd be better and stop acting like they actually care

[odd berry]

cause insulting each other isnt helping

[tired gust]

how are there so many professional corporate shoe lickers...

in this thread

like

gtfo

[odd berry]

im not but ppl likes u are not helping lol

[autumn plaza]

GIVE 5 EXTRA RESETS YOU COWARDS

[tired gust]

and cucks like you are making it worse

[hollow iris]

My banks processing time on chargebacks is a blessing and a curse as i get to see what devs do but be unable to move on mentally since the thought of "will they address anything" bounds me to this thread

[odd berry]

sure mate get real mad boy

[hollow iris]

C is the only reason i have even a modicum of hope 100% agreed

[unkempt basin]

Ye, gave false hope then dipped

[odd berry]

[unkempt basin]

Tbf nothing more he can do, not rly the dev

I just hope this one time

They set it straight

[small tendon]

if by 14th you hear nothing, then they probably wont address it

[unkempt basin]

So we don't waste any more time

[hollow iris]

sounds reasonable

[unkempt basin]

Like wtf, you want more rage comments to sort through just tell it to us as it is.

[small tendon]

didnt they already have 1m downloads?

[unkempt basin]

We won't be changing shit, suck it up end of story we refund then move in

But instead silence

[small tendon]

i figure the number of people who are actually affected by this is miniscule compared to that

[odd berry]

yes

[red loom]

IIll be refunding this friday if they dont change anything at all tbh

[hollow iris]

this thread is literally 10k comments, considering its a small subset of the community at large the implications on the majority are there

[odd berry]

80% of this ppl here are drama queens 10 % are effected hard this 10% i can understand and the rest of the 10% is jsut here for the drama and enjoy the cinema ngl

[unkempt basin]

Whales are also miniscule compared to total downloads

[small tendon]

10k comments from like...a few hundred people

[unkempt basin]

Didn't know you account for 10%

[small tendon]

I do hope they address it though

[odd berry]

nice joke

[small tendon]

I dont see any downside to just giving out compensation. Its not going to cost them anything

[hollow iris]

idk down playing the thread and that it doesn't represent a larger community concern is a tad strange imo

[red loom]

not even a compensation just give some chracters resets and thats it

[small tendon]

Not really downplaying, just saying it as it is

[hollow iris]

Like yea most people are silent, and will silently quit to

[unkempt basin]

It's more complicated, they wanna maximize profits and to do that they have to limit compensation, they're basically trying to see what they can get away with

[small tendon]

Compensation -> More goodwill -> More trust -> Good rep -> More players -> More money

[hollow iris]

Compensation -> Graph doesn't look as pretty

[unkempt basin]

Again, it's not that linear

[hollow iris]

big ree

[unkempt basin]

Would you spend money if you don't have to, maybe you would, but a certain portion of the playerbase wouldn't

[small tendon]

I mean its never a must to spend on a free game

[hollow iris]

Was an analogy

not literal

[unkempt basin]

Exactly, and they need to find a way to monetize it

[odd berry]

i bought today the event packs so

[unkempt basin]

Gratz

[small tendon]

Its just that companies are profit driven

[storm bluff]

How refund?

[odd berry]

nah

never do

[hollow iris]

call your bank and do a chargeback

[small tendon]

So they only look at short term but dont know how to look at the long term

[hollow iris]

If you used paypal SOL

at their mercy

[odd berry]

thats normal when u sell a car u dont give it away for free

[unkempt basin]

Welp hope that explains why they hold back. On compensation

[small tendon]

Having good rep and trust of your playerbase is very important. There are tons of competitors out there, one major screwup can tank your game completely

[storm bluff]

At their mercy?

[unkempt basin]

And also explains why a lot of people are pouring gasoline through the fire

[small tendon]

People will just move on and forget about it

[unkempt basin]

It's a balancing act

[small tendon]

Exactly

[unkempt basin]

Maximize profit considering all those factors

Like I said, they're limit testing

[small tendon]

Pls dont pull a lilith

Constantly testing limits

Then revert back when players complain

Then players be like "omg devs listened"

[unkempt basin]

Tbh id rather have that atp but I digress xD

[small tendon]

Bruh they were doing so much sus things

Raising pity etc

Lowering free rewards

Basically making game more p2w

Then revert back after backlash, making themselves look good

[storm bluff]

Who is?

[small tendon]

Thing is they didnt fully revert

They reverted 80% and kept 20%

[unkempt basin]

Hear this devs, take a page from Lilith's play book

[small tendon]

Lilith to dislyte

Even after keeping 20% of the changes, players forgot cuz they got bribed with compensation and "devs listened"

It was a real shitshow

[hollow iris]

well, seems majority agree that PVE in this game fuggin sucks

[ancient flicker]

opening the betting pool

[hollow iris]

they didnt give enough damage

I like that they made a reddit post - which while tone deaf and awful at least promised better communication

and then there patch notes are vague

amazing

lmao

[ancient flicker]

thats what i was thinking lmao

[fresh sail]

when was this?

[faint zenith]

There is no reason this thread should be 10k or more..the sentiment is out there..it sucks. This is supposed to be feedback but i see more back n forth then anything. I would never read this thread with that many responses because most aren’t suggestions or feedback..they are just banter.

[ancient flicker]

its the new patch notes for the maint later tonight

[pine jasper]

they know whats going on you can just wait now the thread has no point anymore

[hollow iris]

Its a containment thread for all the negativity. Lock this and you risk it spilling into the main chat.

[ancient flicker]

the feedback is we got shadow buffed bosses and promised better communication now theres another vague change coming to the last boss

[hollow iris]

Also so far the response to this feedback has been "lol sorry" hardly satisfying

[ancient flicker]

yeah ur right i should go doompost in gen chat

i dont actually think theyre going to break doki

[pine jasper]

i saw some cc talk about it and they are not rly shilling so lets see whats gonna happen

[ancient flicker]

but the fact that this is coming up right after doesnt exactly give ppl confidence

like if they do buff doki with this "fix" I woudlnt be surprised at all either

[fresh sail]

can you send me the link please, 🙏🏻

[pine jasper]

it might be that xiada steals those op buffs doki puts on the mobs

[ancient flicker]

https://etheria.xd.com/us/news/single?id=a4419uNO0Ihf

[pine jasper]

and one shot them

[hollow iris]

it might be more shadow buffs

we dont know

[magic wind]

I actually liked the PVE but they really tried to slow you down to a standstill by making content disproportionately increase in difficulty from one moment to the next which just feels crap when you feel like you no longer make meaningful progress at all.

[hollow iris]

lmao

[hollow iris]

yea i came out of the beta with the false conclusion that the pve is fun and easy (for farming, and that the challenge was in seperate end game modes)

[ancient flicker]

eh i feel like we progressed too fast

[hollow iris]

so i bricked by investing in the wrong units

[ancient flicker]

we shouldnt be reaching endgame farming in less than 2 weeks (altho inferno is not open yet thats the real final mode)

[hollow iris]

epic 7 is 3 days. Being able to farm gear isn't the end of progression, its having actually good usable gear

and do it again

and again

for every character

well not every but the ones u base ur pvp around

and min maxing ur builds

i cant even properly start builds because i look at the prospect of having to do a manual 6 minute farm every 10 stamina and lose the will to play

[ashen token]

E7 is also the fastest burnout game for that exact reason. You can clear everything in a week and have nothing to do but spam RTA and go against sweats who’ve been playing for 6 years. There’s a reason player retention is ass in that game.

[misty bolt]

I didn't even know there were changes to the boss until I've heard it from other players. I don't mind changes made this early, but I'm baffled why there was no information of this change (patch note etc) available in-game.

[rigid meteor]

Still no actions to at least de-escalate the issue

[ancient flicker]

is it only 3 days to w13 now? DAMN

[magic wind]

Yeah I annoyed that I have been stuck forever on one boss in Ember Track if the wanted to make PVE slower they should have made the levelling and content curve for PVE better.

[odd berry]

ty mate u said 100% the trueth but now you are like me a ass kisser as some would say here

[hollow iris]

yep

[ancient flicker]

to be fair tho e7 released a bunch of specific f2p ways to acquire the w13 team like very specifically designed f2p units

bc if u cant farm w13 u cant play the game

[hollow iris]

As if burn out from gear farming being ass is better than burn out from getting roasted in pvp

[ashen token]

You get about 10-15 full perfect substat gear sets during the PvE modes without even touching wyvern. They also give you all the best PvE units for free lol.

[ivory sandal]

It's not like this was at e7 release though.

[ancient flicker]

we dont talk about that

[hollow iris]

its also not 2018 anymore

They're competing in 2025

[magic wind]

The reason the thread is still going is cause people need to voice that this isn’t something they can simply blow over and hope players forget it’s something that must be addressed and communicated yet we haven’t even gotten a proper reply yet.

[ancient flicker]

yeah u cant compare e7 launch environment to now

[misty bolt]

Why are there no patch notes of changes available in-game?

[hollow iris]

If it was 2018 maybe this game would have stronger legs

[ancient flicker]

"situation sucks therefore everyone should accept it and shut up"

[hollow iris]

but it aint and my tolerance for BS is gone

[ancient flicker]

if its not ass kissing then its lack of respect for urself damn

[misty bolt]

Why do I have to get this info from other players? I don't mind the changes, but shouldn't changes be communicated to us?

[ancient flicker]

-copy paste the we hear you and are ognna give better communication notice-

[odd berry]

yes this

[odd berry]

nah you jsut turn in circles

its the same

[hollow iris]

keep sucking corporate cock

[odd berry]

sure and u keep delusional malding idiot

[ancient flicker]

🪞

[sly zinc]

honestly i would love to hear this rn, cause we dont even get this lol

[ancient flicker]

that was their response yesterday

[hollow iris]

They gave a communication notice on reddit

[ancient flicker]

some chatgpt generated notice

[hollow iris]

and then dropped vague patch notes

[sly zinc]

wait why not here lol

[hollow iris]

its actually hilarious

[odd berry]

i see u butt hurt cause u are a affected dot enjoyer sucks for u @ancient flicker@hollow iris

[ancient flicker]

i didnt build ssania lmao

[misty bolt]

there were patch notes? why aren't the patch notes in-game?

[hollow iris]

i see cock in your mouth start speaking after you take it out

[misty bolt]

the news section in-game is just for show?

[hollow iris]

yes

[odd berry]

me neither i lit dont rly care about the buffs the one thing thats nit ok is they dont say it porperly

[ancient flicker]

i really would love to see what you ppl would do if its lily that got a shadow nerf

[odd berry]

haha jsut refund and move on kiddo

[odd berry]

dont care to not needed

[ancient flicker]

you know whats more interesting

that you dont find what the devs did an issue

but you are here camping in this thread

[hollow iris]

corporate bootlicking is cuck behavior, not adult behavior, shill. Already submitted my chargeback 2 days ago. Its a 30 day processing time, seeing if devs fix their shit

[odd berry]

sure as i said above some drama queens that run in circles like this fraud @hollow iris and some like me enjoying the cinema here

[ancient flicker]

you sure seem real mad for someone who claims to be enjoying the drama

you ok at home?

[hollow iris]

i hope you're being paid for this shilling.

[odd berry]

im chill 😄

[ancient flicker]

ok buddy😄

[odd berry]

sure

[hollow iris]

Back on topic though i am curious as to what'll change with doki

[sly zinc]

finally found the post on reddit, they dont even pin it wth

[odd berry]

seems like wound not working anymore

[rich granite]

https://youtu.be/4P-ImvWwZ5s?si=ubVQ-Tmg6edIbO2m

stix posted a video about the drama and said etheria was following in the footsteps of black beacon

They need to get on top of this

Even stix said the communication provided by community managers was unprofessional

[gleaming rover]

woa stix my MMO guru didnt know that he covers gachas now

[flat anchor]

I don't think it's necessary th cm's it's just the devs literally dropped all communication

[rich granite]

He has for a long time

[flat anchor]

we got patchnotes with the bare minimum that's it

[rich granite]

Stix was talking about the responses from the CMs being bad

[flat anchor]

no roadmap, no announcements, no clarifications on their changes and fixes, nada

[odd berry]

stix its the same aas then u post tecton xd

[flat anchor]

We literally had no idea who the next banners were going to be until 3 days before they end

the only reason we know is cause they themselves leaked

[rich granite]

This has just been a shitshow all around. They should have taken this seriously before all these videos started being made

I will say the first part of his video is pretty tone deaf because it’s just talking about Ethernet rally but the back part of his video is important

[flat anchor]

Like what happened to Jack?

What about the Hypertalks? Are they only every season?

[rich granite]

What happened in general? The beta communication was great

[flat anchor]

exactly

like can we get any answers?

[rich granite]

Really hoping the devs say something tonight. They do not want people fuming over this all weekend…

[flat anchor]

Considering that c is keeping this thread still going is a bit weird to me

[rich granite]

Not a great idea to lock it. It would cause more backlash

[flat anchor]

Don't want to speculate to much but I feel even the CM's have no idea

[rich granite]

It feels like they don’t

[hollow iris]

risk of leaking into the general chats if this gets locked

its at least a containment thread

for all the negativity

[rich granite]

Yeah but they haven’t done any damage control and now content creators that aren’t partnered are talking about

[hollow iris]

yea idk whats up with the devs

its ok

they're sleeping 😉

[rich granite]

Car_6 literally said on stream yesterday that there is stuff he can’t say because he’s partnered

[hollow iris]

i'm a dinosaur and that comes across as normal, with the bad part being feeling the need to express that, did norms change about that over the past few years?

(still bad regardless if car feels the needs to express that on stream)

[rich granite]

A lot of companies now allow negative remarks as long as they’re not misinformation

[copper nexus]

also i think c is just scared if he locks the channel people are gonna take it as "THE CMS ARE SILENCING OUR OPINION RAHHH"

[hollow iris]

yea, i will say leaving the thread up is inherently positive PR because it makes me have good feelings about C as a person

[rich granite]

At least in the states certain clauses that discuss negative remarks don’t hold up in court as long as it’s not misrepresented information

[copper nexus]

dude is just trying to do his job and now has PTSD waking up frmo nightmares of discord notifications

he hears the discord ping sound in his sleep

[rich granite]

It probably would have been better for him to stay out of it entirely until he heard something concrete from the devs

[copper nexus]

thats possibly true

on the other hand

if there's 0 communication even from CMs

in additional to the trash communication from the devs

it would turn into an even more insane of a dumpster fire than it already was

so its hard to say

its definitely better for his mental health if he stayed out of it tho

[rich granite]

But on the other hand official staff members should never use language such as I feel or I don’t know. It shows that the company is disjointed

[copper nexus]

he might have said that but hoenstly i dont' recall him saying that

definitely not "i feel" at least

he also has stated on multiple occassions that he will criticize the company and their management when he thinks it is necessary

but he just can't be making statements on the company's behalf, or directly answering questions about what the developers are planning

because even if he THINKS he has a full picture and information

[rich granite]

More in the sense of if you’re not provided actually statistics, in game information, and content that actually shows the players exactly what is going on then it shouldn’t be said

[copper nexus]

there could be stuff that devs just happened to forget to tell him or stuff

[copper nexus]

yea

and at least in this specific situation i don't think they've done that

[rich granite]

Haven’t seen it

Like you can’t just tell players small buffs were made and not tell us what they are. That is insanely unprofessional and a bad look for the game

[copper nexus]

yea, idk what happened with the whole rta drama so can't speak on that

[rich granite]

That didn’t have anything to do with the CMs

[copper nexus]

yep, and no one, even c, thinks that that's good communication

so it really is just a waiting game unfortunately

they are fully aware of the issue

[rich granite]

Then he shouldn’t have said it. He should have waited until we have the actual information

[copper nexus]

said what

[rich granite]

Fully aware but who knows if they care

[copper nexus]

yea

who knows

it doesn't matter if they care

the point is that theyre aware

our side of the discussion is done

we've siad our piece

if they don't care they don't care

[rich granite]

He talked about the buffs and changes but gave us no actual information. That’s not great for players or the game in terms of press

[copper nexus]

wait who?...

[rich granite]

Well a lot of people are already calling it Black Beacon and Tribe 9 all over again

[rich granite]

C

[copper nexus]

all he said is that buffs for module bosses were made on day 1, same with the aurora changes

[rich granite]

And you shouldn’t say that without informing the players of numbers or exact changes

[copper nexus]

yea

[waxen rain]

WHERE'S OUR RESET?!?

[copper nexus]

but what does that have to do with c

lol

he's just telling the facts

[hollow iris]

"lol sorry"

[copper nexus]

and he also criticized that their communication was bad

[hollow iris]

best we can do

[rich granite]

Because he’s the one who said it brother. Like he could have left that for the devs to say

[copper nexus]

(the dev's team's communication)

[copper nexus]

oh ic what ur trying to say haha

i think with that, its because thats the path the devs are committing to

[atomic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/desert-c3po-lost-gif-27048411

[copper nexus]

so it means its his responsibility to provide that answer

[rich granite]

Mhm. Like in a way I see he thinks he was helping but he made it so much worse. A whole Reddit thread got made about his comment and it blew up on r/gachagaming

[copper nexus]

yea

[rich granite]

But he’s only providing a half answer and that’s not right

[copper nexus]

i think the point is

[rich granite]

He is honestly getting screwed over by his own dev team

[copper nexus]

he's providing that answer

because thats the conclusion the dev team came to

it sucks that he ends up taking the blame

but i think the point is up until that point

[rich granite]

It’s not an answer though. It’s a half answer that leaves out the actual important information

[patent wolf]

where's the patch notes for the buffs/nerfs?

[copper nexus]

yea and the desv genuinely intended to provide us with that half ass answer imo

[rich granite]

Announcements

[copper nexus]

so in THEIR head

that was the "full announcement"

and i think they were expecting the community to just take that and be like

oh well

[rich granite]

We don’t know that. You’re speculating on that

[copper nexus]

yes speculating

thats why i said imo

[rich granite]

It’s just a mess overall and honestly this game might not survive this backlash. Launch period is critical and they fucked it up hard

[atomic sundial]

the devs when C tries to ask them questions

https://tenor.com/view/dont-ignore-me-ignore-stop-ron-swanson-the-office-gif-5403317

[copper nexus]

yea its rough

LMAOOOOOOO

[weak basin]

Both should be good. From their description, Holden would be an aoe stripper

[copper nexus]

i really do think tho

that the devs were genuinely just delusional

LMAO

based on their response they were completely out of touch

until the entire thing blew up even further

i just hope theyre REALLY racking their brains to think about how to salvage this

[rich granite]

Please let Holden be a support and have a full strip. That would be so great

[weak basin]

Waiting to see if they add another spending event like infinity Nikki

That will fix it

[copper nexus]

ok