Shadow Buff Terrormaton and Aurora.

[stoic pier]

"We actually meant to reduce crit damage on the locked target"

[hollow iris]

Hotfix: Heinrich not meant to strip terror immunity

[stoic pier]

"We are sorry you've understood incorrectly, here is 100 gems"

[foggy cliff]

My biggest concern tbh. How TF am I gonna do Terror Inferno

[copper nexus]

Hotfix: diting was supposed to be a SSR. Recalling all pulled ditings.

and no u don’t get ur lattice back HEHEHEHE

[hollow iris]

Hotfix: Bug fixed with Lily that advanced twin trick partners action on her skill 1

[copper nexus]

Hotfix: bug fixed where Lily has more than 1 ability

[placid raft]

Hotfix: Rilmocha splash damage was too high

[copper nexus]

Hotfix: bug where dokidoki could be used as a playable character fixed. She’s a module boss not a character

[hollow iris]

Hotfix: Bug fixed where khloros would ult multiple times

[quaint jasper]

Hotfix: Bug fixed where players could actually play the game

[hollow iris]

the final form

[copper nexus]

Hotfix:

Achievements were supposed to be locked behind a paid battle pass

[placid raft]

Hotfix: Terror is now immune to all pushback. This was another bug we forgot to include in prelaunch patch notes.

[cerulean canopy]

diting can clear aurora hell 3 fast enough which is sr only. meanwhile s.sania

[placid raft]

Hotfix: We're going EOS

[hollow iris]

Hotfix: Aurora deletes your characters if you dont field the exact 5 we want you to field. Also if these characters are missing a lattice she deletes your account

[stoic pier]

I don't see any problems with this statement

[vivid scroll]

Hotfix: Fixed bug where only some prowess upgrades require lattice and not all of them.

[stoic pier]

Also, what character do you use to CC in Doki Doki? I was thinking on building Kazu for that

[hollow iris]

I am just amazed that they thought bricking peoples gear progression would be "fun"

[placid raft]

Hotfix: Banner pity has been reverted from 80 to 100

[hollow iris]

kazus the meta one and kraken a cope one

[stoic pier]

Me using obol as a form of protest

[cerulean canopy]

kazu 4* is enough

[stoic pier]

Great to hear that then, i just didnt want to spread my materials too thin with all this happening

[hollow iris]

tfw i built a Mizuki and she isnt even good at terror

[stoic pier]

I've just finised building Ssania and Marvell just 2 days ago

and it happened xD

[hollow iris]

5 star S5S4S1 and she sucks

[short bay]

😦

[hollow iris]

she's enough when paired with S1S1S5 rilm and S1S5S5 Gray otherwise ur building a happy lil brick

[foggy cliff]

Isn't she more for inferno for stripping

[hollow iris]

Why does she not contribute to anything else aaaaaaaaaaaaaa just dies easily even with high defence, high health a balance, has shit for damage

Im just still mad that module farming is hard

[foggy cliff]

I mean, what else do strippers do

[hollow iris]

its just gearing ffs

[hollow iris]

you'd think that bringing the correct unit for inferno in a lower difficulty would still well contribute

But not in evil chinaman game design

[storm bluff]

reseting sania?

[boreal umbra]

you can't reset who you want when you want...

[hollow iris]

and heaven forbid you dared to experiment during the early game

[flat anchor]

any response?

[hollow iris]

"lol sorry"

[flat anchor]

[hollow iris]

i like the r/gachagaming roast

[rich granite]

There has been a lot of hate for the game on Reddit

The devs could have prevented all of this had they responded last night because that post wasn’t even made until this morning

[minor crown]

copy and pasted the drama 💀

[candid scarab]

Would they copy the same solution as E7? Now let's see Chinese vs Korean devs, who cares about players more?

[keen wadi]

Time to hire the protest trucks 🚚

[hollow iris]

i think that reddit hates pvp games in general, but even fans cant be arsed to defend the game after all this. Only true shills

Like i remember a earlier thread a highly rated comment about etheria could have been summarized as "bad because pvp" and the comment below it as many updoots was defending the game

So least it was split sentiment - which for r/gachagaming is impressive

[hollow iris]

neither but e7 company likes their fans more than they hate them

[static orbit]

I'm late with the CC stuff not saying things. One game called Dislyte literally shot their foot when a favorite CC called them out for misleading contents and pulls. You know what the company did? Threatened the CC and even made them apologize. That CC isn't active and stopped posting 2 years ago. So yeah paid CC or not they will not talk about it or risk their career.

[willow basalt]

You guys are still going lol

[foggy cliff]

Exactly, if handled well it would have been popular. But the silence so far has beenn pretty bad. Can still be resolved by generous compensation but I am doubting that more and more lol

[foggy cliff]

#JusticeForShadowSania

[placid raft]

Yeah I mean I'm a huge fan of this game. I even took time off work for launch etc. Like I really do love this game. And this has completely changed my opinion on it and made me debate charging back / quitting until the devs get it together. Giving it some more time first.

[foggy cliff]

A lot of whales seem to be doing that, not just because of the change but because of how it was handled

[willow basalt]

Have you played epic 7

[placid raft]

Yeah I mean when you invest thousands of dollars into something you don't expect the dev to spit in your face the same week. It's kind of insane.

[copper nexus]

Honestly there’s 2 things I think we should be protesting about

First obviously the communication and treatment for ssania is not ok

[placid raft]

I tried it a while back but haven't played much of it. Will play it if this game destroys itself.

[copper nexus]

But the reduction to pushback on bosses is just brain dead

[foggy cliff]

No mentions of compensation until now or even the most repeated obvious fix of "Give resets" is also part of how badly it was handled

[copper nexus]

Lmao

[copper nexus]

Yep

[foggy cliff]

I'm hesitant to whale further myself

[copper nexus]

We just have to sit tight tho

As c already mentioned

They are aware

[foggy cliff]

Atleast in the short term

[copper nexus]

And are discussing action

Maybe we still get fucked

Totally possible

[foggy cliff]

I know but they haven't announced that in game or anything

[copper nexus]

But they’re aware and we can SPECULATIVELY expect some news in the next week

[foggy cliff]

The longer this goes too before action, the worse it gets

[copper nexus]

Poor management of communication

[placid raft]

If they don't handle this very generously it's just going to be Black Beacon all over. So, balls in their court.

[copper nexus]

Oh absolutely

But yea

[foggy cliff]

Can't save an account when it's charged back already

[copper nexus]

Give them time

I don’t think it’s the right time to charge back

Charging back now is silly

It’s our loss

[foggy cliff]

Have you met whales. No patience

[copper nexus]

If they take insufficient action or their response isn’t sufficient then

Yea charge back all y’all want

[copper nexus]

True

[astral sinew]

Nah, Im charging back and quiting this game. Devs already broke my trust

[foggy cliff]

Which is why quick communication is key

[copper nexus]

That’s fair too

[foggy cliff]

Like, if they had announced somethign last night

Could have still saved many whales tbh

[copper nexus]

Yup

And that’s just the unfortunate reality of the situation

It sucks for everyone

We lose whales

They lose money

[foggy cliff]

Even if "We are working on some compensation" was all that was mentioned

[copper nexus]

No body is happy

[copper nexus]

Problem is

I genuinely think

[foggy cliff]

Right now it's just "We are aware of it and will do better next time"

[copper nexus]

They didn’t know

Like

I think they are THAT delusional

[foggy cliff]

Which doesn't even say if we will actually get compensation at all

[copper nexus]

That they thought an apology would be enough

[placid raft]

Yeah the trust thing is why a lot of people are already calling it quits. The dupe thing was a lot of drama and even if you gave them a pass for that, this happening not even a week into launch just sets a really bad standard that they seem to be okay with.

[copper nexus]

Or didn’t understand the issue

[foggy cliff]

Just that next time they "Fuck up" we'll know ahead of time

Lmao

[copper nexus]

Yea

And raise an even bigger fuss

Right away

[foggy cliff]

Dupe wasn't that big of a deal, Shadow Sania came at a time when people are noticing "Hey, this is way harder than beta"

And thats what made it worse

[placid raft]

I agree, I wasn't bothered by dupes. This happening so soon after that though is a bad look.

[copper nexus]

It’s just really bad timing

Which is so sad

LOL

This entire issue

I’d honestly

Nothing

It’s not a big deal at all

At the very least

[foggy cliff]

It could have been nothing.

[copper nexus]

It’s EASY to fix

But now

It’s a huge

Shit show

Full of cow shit

[foggy cliff]

Mention it in the patch notes (prelaunch) would have solved 90% of the pain here

[copper nexus]

Dogshitdonkey shit

U name it

It’s there

[copper nexus]

Ok tbf that’s not the point

That’s part of the issue

[placid raft]

This is the main thing that bothers me. What else was just not listed in the patch notes that we are unaware of?

[copper nexus]

The point is their community communication

Wuthering waves kinda proves

However u fuck up

It’s fine

[foggy cliff]

ALOT actually. Marvell speed reduction, Bosses in Hell getting stat buffs, mob targeting behaviour changes

[placid raft]

Patch notes are a form of community communication.

[astral sinew]

Imagine destroying teams and calling it "hotfix" man 💀

[foggy cliff]

And that's just what we know

Who TF knows what's in Inferno

[copper nexus]

All players want is communication

[minor crown]

Freya banner featured SRs were changed, chiaki echo was replaced by sania

[copper nexus]

Talking about post explosion communication

lol

[placid raft]

I didnt even notice that, wtf lol

[foggy cliff]

It technically is. If we were aware of these changes, many people would have been hesitant about using a DoT team

[copper nexus]

ok that’s fair tho

[minor crown]

yea that's fair

since both are green buffers

[foggy cliff]

And when they actually fixed it, it would be whatever

"It was in patch notes, all good"

[civic forge]

The thing is aurora always said that have inmu as skill?

I mean even when you unlocked here some days ago

[foggy cliff]

Yeah but even if you strip it, DoT wont work anymore

[copper nexus]

Nono what I’m saying is. Part of the problem was the patch notes. Thats, again, easily resolvable . That has nothing to do with there RESPONSE and response speed to the problems. THATS what really turned this whole thing into a big issue

[foggy cliff]

It used to be you could strip it and DoT also worked on the mob that gave immunity

[foggy cliff]

That too. One was pre-emptive the other was a way to handle it when the blowback actually happened

[copper nexus]

Yea

[civic forge]

Y think y read something that was like she should work but didint work in the end

[scarlet folio]

Imagine if they put it in the patch notes pre launch whats their vision for end game, and probably announce a rework in the future for DSania so people who pulled her randomly will have something. Instead of this shit show lmao, if they have been pretty forward people will just skip building her like Victor. Imagine if they balance Diting because they don’t want 1 SR unit to clear all end game contents. He is more popular than DOT team anyways not everyone has SSania

[foggy cliff]

They don't even need to rework Shadow Sania if they had announced their changes earlier on

Like, peoople would still build her (DoT is fun) and she works for Terror great

But people were expecting her to work in Aurora

[flat anchor]

Wait what changed about mob targeting?

[foggy cliff]

It used to be that if you had 4 Green units and 1 non-green unit, your green units were basically safe except from AoE

In Doki

Now, they randomly hit green units too

[flat anchor]

because chiaki is too good I guess

[flat anchor]

wait what?

[foggy cliff]

Yeah, you essentially could use off-colors as "Tanks"

[flat anchor]

They would auto focus the other element?

[foggy cliff]

Yup! Elemental advantage/disadvantage at play

[storm bluff]

what was e7 solution?

[foggy cliff]

Now its more like... likely to target off-color elements, idk percentage but theres a decent chunk green units will be hit and are hit almost every run. Before it was almost guaranteed they wouldn't. Didn't need to build HP on my Gray lol

[flat anchor]

Is this what's contributing to that weirdness of random auto failures since the hotfix?

[storm bluff]

4sure

[flat anchor]

Like it's actually getting annoying

[foggy cliff]

No this was prelaunch I think

[flat anchor]

a bunch of my 2 star clears are failing all of a sudden

[foggy cliff]

So its more of, failures after launch compared to beta

Supposedly, no changes were made aside from Aurora in the hotfix

Supposedly.

[storm bluff]

and aurora complete immunity no?

[foggy cliff]

Yeah complete immunity from DoT even if you remove the immunity buff

[storm bluff]

u gonna reset?

[placid raft]

Yeah everyone's been saying this but we get told that nothing changed and that "only one person has complained about this so far" lol

[foggy cliff]

Idk but many will

[long steppe]

This guy where is he why no more update or any announcement 😂

[storm bluff]

u only got 2 hours to deside, no?

[hollow iris]

JFC i actually did the bullshit

[flat anchor]

It has to be something about the game because it can't be anything in my line up. If anything the runs should actually get better since the builds are all the same but with higher rarity modules.

[hollow iris]

let me just manual 6 minutes for every ten freaking stamina

[foggy cliff]

I used my resets playing around with Helkid and Chiaki the echo

[storm bluff]

rip

[storm bluff]

oh shoot man

[placid raft]

Yep, there's literally a YT video of someone who has a 40sec Terror 3 kill who couldnt kill it in 2 mins. Showed the same exact team, same exact gear, everything. And they're still claiming nothing was shadow buffed 🤷‍♂️ I don't buy it.
Edit: He couldn't kill it at all. he failed it multiple times even when manual battling lol.

[foggy cliff]

Tbh that might have been a Beta terror, not a pre-hotfix terror

[placid raft]

No he shows his clear on the leaderboard in the video

Let me see if I can find it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOQIRTHR-78

From 44sec clear to getting one shot every attempt 🤷‍♂️ I've had the same experience. My union is saying the same thing. Seen it said on here multiple times. But being told that nothing changed. Make it make sense.

[flat anchor]

Yea their dmg increased

Everyone is dying now when they didn't before

Before as in literally a few days ago

[placid raft]

Exactly, and every time it's brought up we're told that's not true and it's like ??? wtf

[foggy cliff]

The Marvell is 116 speed though. That's a beta Marvell

[placid raft]

the boss was literally easier on beta

this is not beta

[foggy cliff]

Exactly

[storm bluff]

so u just have to 1shot terror now without him getting a turn - ez

[placid raft]

yeah thats the endgame pve in a nutshell

[foggy cliff]

Supposedly Prydwen saw Marvell decrease speed since launch

So this means this run is from post beta

[placid raft]

If you star up a unit their base speed goes up

4 star marvell is 111

5 star goes up to 116

[foggy cliff]

oh fudge

I forgot about that

[flat anchor]

he's faster too now tho

the right arm now makes him lap your team constantly

he didn't advance that far before

[placid raft]

Yep, terror lives up to his name. Actual miserable content.

[flat anchor]

if you don't have a Gigabyte to do something about him zooming you're cooked

[placid raft]

Even with a gigabyte he can one shot a support if he gets a turn

Which is just really bad design

[astral sinew]

I love it when their solution is just a “We will work hard to keep improving".

[flat anchor]

also he does this thing now were on the first turn he will nuke 1 person down to like 20%

[placid raft]

Turn based game where you lose if the enemy gets a turn.

[foggy cliff]

Not when you have Red Shells. It will need to be left hand + him

[flat anchor]

and then if he get's another turn it's already over since he buffs with deaths

[astral sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-anime-girl-annoyed-anime-girl-gif-11942012416213248789

[placid raft]

I have full red shells. And +15 red gear. Whoever gets hit with the right hand at the start dies to terror when he gets a turn.

[weak basin]

It’s a 5* Marvell

Nvm was already said

[foggy cliff]

Yeah and the account ID exists on Global S1, I ust checked

[weak basin]

[minor crown]

the reddit post being like, now we know we need better coordination and to give more than an hours notice for changes 💀

they now know standard practice 🙏

love that for em

[raw glacier]

Now instead of 1h, they give 2h notice!

[weak basin]

They now know empathy

[foggy cliff]

Big changes need reset cards or something

[sinful brook]

arnt all the charas ai generated too?

[flat anchor]

@placid raft Did NicoNana also change?

I'm getting paranoid because the devs don't say what they change

[uneven pine]

is this hell III or IV?

[placid raft]

I think the shell bosses all still feel the same. People are clearing those in like 10sec

[placid raft]

3

[distant tulip]

If terror tomato was quantifiable stealth buffed (and I believe you), it sets an even worse precedent than the s sania 'hotfix' in my opinion. Gameplay changes can not be undocumented, otherwise there'll be constant paranoia and questioning in a game that is a casino in nature

[uneven pine]

yup - I actually like that they made it harder, but damn they should've communicated it to us.

[minor crown]

niconana now spawns with invincibility for 5 turns

[keen wadi]

Terror tomato is actually funny 😂

[uneven pine]

I can only imagine what inferno is going to be like

I feel like diting is going to get his clock cleaned there.

[placid raft]

Yeah I mean its the title of this entire thread lol people are clearly experiencing that it's harder after the hotfix so I wish they'd look into it seriously. I don't think farmable content needs to feel like a challenge mode every run. It's not fun.

[weak basin]

-100 crit rate

[astral sinew]

Ah yeah next shadowbuff going straight to nerf diting

[uneven pine]

even in hell III his damage is meh.

I'm going to keep my shadow sania, not recall her, because I think inferno terrormaton is going to be a beast.

[placid raft]

The thing is they nerfed Rosa / Marvell before launch (their pushback is what enabled a lot of clears in beta). c has confirmed they adjusted stats on bosses but didn't confirm by how much for launch. And they increased boss resist to pushback. So thats 3 forms of making the content harder in 1 sweep. On top of what feels like another shadow buff to the boss after this hotfix.

[weak basin]

Eh I wouldn’t call Rosa a nurf

[placid raft]

Her pushback was nerfed. Which played a large part in Aurora.

[weak basin]

Her entire damage part is still there though

[placid raft]

its not about her damage

[uneven pine]

I think all of their changes are healthy for the game.
I also think their communication has been pitiful, verging on insulting.

[placid raft]

Pushing bosses back is mostly what gets you a kill and what doesn't.

[placid raft]

I don't see how making farm content feel like challenge content is healthy but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[uneven pine]

it depends on what you want out of the game. If you want a farming simulator where you can easily grind everything up, then these changes all suck. But if you want to have to strategically build for every encounter, and you find that fun, they're good. It's all a matter of want/perspective.

[placid raft]

It's a game that's marketed towards pvp, so I want to farm gear to be able to pvp. I think if I take a team that's set up properly for the content and properly geared I should be able to clear it. I shouldn't have to avoid building my pvp units for weeks to a month because the pve requires this much investment / effort.

[uneven pine]

yup, perspective.

that makes sense.

I want a challenging pve, and a challenging pvp. And in my mind, the harder it is to gear up in pve, the better my chances in pvp if I'm able to optimize my pve strategy.

because we all have to deal with the pve problem.

right now pvp is a joke if you didn't pull certain ld5 units.

[placid raft]

That's valid as well. But to say you're strategically building for every encounter is a stretch for sure. There is no strategy right now. It's copy the same 2 teams everyone else is building and invest all your resources into it.

[uneven pine]

agreed - if you think the meta is right. I don't.

[placid raft]

Okay.

[uneven pine]

I think a week from now a lot of people are going to wish they recalled certain units, and be upset they recalled others.

[elfin patrol]

I was talking about this in all chat, thank you for making this thread in the feedback op

I want this game to thrive fr fr, but if the devs are gonna do stuff like this im quitting and taking my money with me

(all 2 dollars ive invested so far)

[grand vapor]

The only creativity comes when you don't have certain units

Then you gotta find a replacement you do have

Like for niconana I had to use oboro for the speed down and rc-77 to keep extending the speed since her chance to hit is low

[hollow iris]

I want fun challenging PVE, Ember Trek, the cute little restricted elments mode! Co op! farming is not engaing content, its a chore to get to the engaging content, making it hard is just to inflict suffering on the user

[elfin patrol]

idk I feel like resources are too thin rn to be doing smth like that

[storm bluff]

How can one feel so bad for owning and having invested in one of the rarest units of the game… wtf

[elfin patrol]

tbf every gatcha has their bad units, but I get you

[storm bluff]

Also for some reading got full duped Marvell.. useless.. literally crying 😂

[hollow iris]

by making me take 6 and a half minutes manually playing to spend ten stamina

[willow basalt]

It's almost like you're playing the game! 😂

[elfin patrol]

nah what is this

[hollow iris]

without double sustain i fucking die

[storm bluff]

But why nerf an already sus and by many disliked unit that only a handful nerds like us used

[hollow iris]

kazuya performs worse than kraken because my kraken is S1S4S5 and kazuya is S1S1S2

[storm bluff]

RIP

[grand vapor]

Right, but creativity is there is my point. It's not when you have every unit but it can exist

[willow basalt]

Exactly

[elfin patrol]

I completly agree with this point. I was just commenting on the rarity thing. Just bc its light and dark doesn't guarentee good but it sucks a lot when you se ss pop up on your screen

and I hate the way they handled the aurora situation

[elfin patrol]

At least youre clearing hell 3, Im stuck on hell 2 full auto and I refuse to manual 6 minutes lmao

[hollow iris]

bruh this saps my motivation to play

6 and a half mins for 10 stamina on hell 4 is crazy

what am i supposed to play for 1000 mins a day if im full refreshing

[elfin patrol]

Are you farming shells?"

[hollow iris]

that team has all maxed level 40 red shells

[elfin patrol]

bc they are way more important than the modules for now

oh nah you a demon

did you use target summon?

You should be able to full auto with Rilmocha

[cursive rapids]

Yeah,shells before module farm

[hollow iris]

yep, i did it based on my pvp strategy i falsely came out of the beta with the impression that the pve of this game is easy because i stumbled into a good pve comp

I have a rilmocha she's only S1S1S3 so she performs worse than my massiah

who is S3S4S5

[cursive rapids]

if you don’t have like 3/5 red shell minimum with rerolled passives , do shells not modules

[elfin patrol]

run both tho

[hollow iris]

thats actaully lower DPS than having my lily refresh my massiahs ult cool down

[elfin patrol]

do you have the green girl dbuffer

[hollow iris]

performs worse than my kraken because she's s1s1s2 4 starred and my kraken is s1s4s5 5 star

[elfin patrol]

right but

she also reduces incoming damage, so you can prolly sub out a sustain for her

no?

[hollow iris]

no if i do that i will die

[elfin patrol]

????

[hollow iris]

they do to much damage

i literally need the double sustain

[elfin patrol]

can you full auto hell 3?

[hollow iris]

idk havent tried to auto hell 3, i got lingluo farmed her prowess materials and jumped into hell 4

ill try it one sec

[elfin patrol]

Id say if you can auto hell 3 go for it and save yourself from the mental anguish of farming like how you are

seems like torture

[hollow iris]

the thing im afraid of is having a full team of +15 mythic mods just to still be unable to auto

anyway i put hell 3 on auto in the background

we'll see how it goes

nope cant auto hell 3

i can manuelly play hell 4 but not auto 3 🙃

[elfin patrol]

Rip

[hollow iris]

well, either in a few weeks my chargeback will be processed or the devs will take their heads out of their ass and first focus on making the game fun first and i can cancel my case

[minor crown]

[steel ravine]

pretty sure they will realize that the ship is sinking a little too late

this whole post is a good example of it

8k+ messages and they were unable to address the consequence of their action

people will burn out really fast when they feel forced to do on manual content they are supposed to do 100+ times per day automatically

really fast like 2-3 days

[hollow iris]

you're right

but its ok, they're sleeping™️

[prisma orbit]

Bruh urs still here? Its been like what 6 hrs?

[hollow iris]

you're still here to mate, its not hard to post on ones phone while doing something else. Kinda like how you suck cocks while you post here

[prisma orbit]

I wasnt here the past 6 hrs bro

Still super immature i see

[foggy cliff]

The joys of remote work tbh

I can shit post all day

[vernal brook]

this clears hell 3 pretty consistently it can still fail but.. it ait

[steel ravine]

at the last boss of ember trek and I still can't auto hell 3 on two out of the three bosses, really good game design boys and girls 😎

[hollow iris]

this

[hollow iris]

yea its real mature to be a corporate bootlicker

go shove your attitude up your ass

[prisma orbit]

@worn tendon this guy has been toxic all day

[hollow iris]

^this guy is a combative shill who gaslights wont engage with your argument and redirects the conversation into pointless banter and personal attacks, he deserves ZERO respect or empathy

[minor crown]

[hollow iris]

he successfully pissed me off enough to move me from polite criticisms' about the game to just hating him as the despicable individual he is

and now that he's called out on his behavior he calls mom like a petulent child

God I fucking hate shills.

[cerulean canopy]

[rigid meteor]

Is it true that some bosses they also give stat buffs?

[hollow iris]

yes

we dont know by how much

many people reporting they're failing to manually clear content they previously auto'd

[rigid meteor]

What's the purpose of making daily grindable contents harder tho?

[unkempt basin]

It starts with an m

And ends with oney

[rigid meteor]

[unkempt basin]

Incentivize whaling to clear grindable content at a reasonable pace

Whereas those who can't find themselves looking at a wall that can only be resolved by getting lucky, or spreading their resources thin

[rigid meteor]

I understand if they make something like abyss content harder but not on stage you farm to get stronger

[unkempt basin]

You'd think ye? I mean if pvp was the focus why are they so hellbent on "balancing" pve stages

[rigid meteor]

Agreed

[unkempt basin]

No one's finding it fun afaik

[rigid meteor]

And only whales do early rta

[unkempt basin]

I slam my head in rta for tokens

But ye mainly whales are competitive enough to climb ladder

[hollow iris]

whales should have the advantage of a greater roster variety that has more lattice investment, the advantage of being able to actually farm gear is retarded

you should still be able to have fun in RTA with geared up units even if your opponent has a better ability to counter pick you

but no thats denied from us lmao

cause fuck u build the specific pve teams

or kick rocks

[rigid meteor]

[hollow iris]

(most people are kicking rocks)

[rigid meteor]

community would calm down if they acknowledge the effect and would find a way to resolve this

[atomic yew]

the worse part about this is truly games like this thrive on having a large population of f2p for the whales to gobble up. However creating such a large dispartity right from the get go disuades f2p people from continuing often which means whales only have each other to fight which usually results in a dead game.

[hollow iris]

this game gonna have a drop off when the casuals encounter the wall

rav spiritual jinx

[rigid meteor]

But we don't have any announcement yet right?

[hollow iris]

you said what i just posted in a more complex way XD

[short bay]

It would be less sad if I had reconfigs to spare 😢

[hollow iris]

same, i wanna reconfig my massiah and kraken and mizuki and just build the teams that the game told me to or im not allowed to farm

S5S4S1 Mizuki is a pro rock kicker

[unkempt basin]

Which leads back to this ssania post

Ssania was supposed to be a pve investment

A relatively low investment that has a downside of only working on specific pve content

[hollow iris]

yea she's a pro rock kicker now to

[unkempt basin]

And now they take that away

The team isn't event that cosnsitent

[hollow iris]

i'm sorry friend, you must lose at everything

[cerulean canopy]

hey, diting has even more 'low investment' because he's sr and he works better than ssania in terror and aurora lmao

[hollow iris]

or build the units we demand you to, with lots of lattices of course 😉

[cerulean canopy]

are these devs stupid or what

[hollow iris]

dont worry the diting hotfix is coming

[unkempt basin]

That makes it even worse then

Apex unit outperformed by sr even with catered teams to her playstyle

I mean what else is there to say

[hollow iris]

K i c k R o c k s

[unkempt basin]

Let's not forget that diting is not completely ineffective in pvp

[hollow iris]

shadow sania can be used in pvp once you hit plat

[cerulean canopy]

is he? i haven't fought someone with diting yet

[hollow iris]

make her your 3rd pick with fangus 4th pick

get a stripper and turn maniulator for picks 1 and 2

[unkempt basin]

In rta they can just bust her no?

[scarlet folio]

He 1 shots ur dps especially if you pull him up using tsukiyo mi.

[unkempt basin]

Ban

[hollow iris]

in rta starting at plat your 3rd pick is unbannable

[unkempt basin]

Oh naruhodo

[hollow iris]

so u cant really use her before plat

[unkempt basin]

Is she any good tho?

[hollow iris]

but once there u can do it

[short bay]

"use" doesnt mean "use well"

[hollow iris]

eh, it was to early to tell because cleave meta

[scarlet folio]

Yea I fought couple ones in platinum, they are toxic. Obol Fangus DSania + opener iirc

[hollow iris]

she'd inevitably counter any brusier meta though so thats kinda cool

[unkempt basin]

Stop giving me hope

I didn't reconfig her even tho I could have

[hollow iris]

well, she is part brick part apex

[unkempt basin]

XD

Truly one of the units of all time

[clear wadi]

got confirmation from devs that terror was not adjusted or tuned at all on the hotfix

[cerulean canopy]

aurora hell 3 clears are mostly diting lmao

[clear wadi]

there were only bug fixes no stat adjustments or anything yesterday

[unkempt basin]

Empirical evidence suggests otherwise, what could be the explanation then

[clear wadi]

cognitive bias and rng fueled by this recent stuff and the launch changes that weren't on the patch notes (which should have been)

there was not a single change to them

there is no way terror could have gotten stronger in the past two days, they didn't touch it

[unkempt basin]

Honestly fair

[cerulean canopy]

still doesn't change the fact that they did ssania dirty lmao

[unkempt basin]

Well ye, i think mister c is understanding of that

[clear wadi]

mhm

[unkempt basin]

He just saying that let's not make the fire any bigger

Cause otherwise we're being disingenuous

[clear wadi]

just clearing up whatever I can whenever I get updates

[placid raft]

Are they looking into why so many players are absolutely miserable / hating how overtuned the content is then? Even if they didn't change it during the hotfix, whatever they changed from beta -> live has clearly been overkill.

[clear wadi]

yeah this will certainly be talked about with them

[atomic yew]

honestly at this point I'll play casually as a f2p if they open up a server 3 for fun but I really dont feel like playing on a bricked acct where everything is invested inDoTs

[autumn plaza]

@clear wadi can I please get more resets

[placid raft]

Thank you 🙏

[unkempt basin]

[cerulean canopy]

ill play until uma release. my account is already bricked because of ssania anyway lmao

[clear wadi]

gonna continue to engage that convo about the balance feeling, but I don't think that deserves thousands of hate comments more just general criticism of the decision

[unkempt basin]

Best of luck

[atomic yew]

waiting on the shadowverse beyond relaunch im a tcg fiend. but I do hope they release a third server I would like to play this game causually just not so far behind

[hollow iris]

I think it truly does deserve those hate comments, blocking character building - or making it unfun (see my manuel 6 minute clear) is a wild choice.

[silver scaffold]

Play shadowverse WB

[hollow iris]

my brother

[silver scaffold]

June 17th

[hollow iris]

brothers

[unkempt basin]

[atomic yew]

IO have 3k hours on shadowverse on steam not counting my phone time lol

[silver scaffold]

I never played one

[unkempt basin]

Bold of you guys with a staff here

[silver scaffold]

So I'm excited to try new SV

[atomic yew]

GM for like 20 straight seasons

all the leaders QQ itll suck to lose em

[placid raft]

Agreed, not trying to hate. Just expressing that I had a significantly more enjoyable time during beta than live. So I hope they're receptive and I hope they actually respond to the Aurora / SSania issues adequately.

[cerulean canopy]

okay bro ill try this game

because cygames

[prisma crow]

In just hoping theres an extra reset event sometime soon, i have a maxxed lian s3 i didnt want but had to revert my dot units instead while i could ~_~

[hollow iris]

surely its less bold then the commentary i made towards the shill

[cerulean canopy]

ex gbf player

[unkempt basin]

Fair

[rigid meteor]

I hope they will give s sania viability in PvP in the future. right now free animus reset would make everyone affected happy

I mean a means to fixed their bricked accoun

[short bay]

well, except those who dumped dollars for her

but yeah would certainly be a start.

[atomic yew]

yeah I burned all my resets to make the DoT comp to begin I'm truly hosed. Reason I quit

[hollow iris]

i think i wouldn't be happy, the core issue of the PVE being kinda garbage isn't addressed. But at least i could play the game on the terms they've dictated

[rigid meteor]

Yeah, so maybe an option for a recall too?

[unkempt basin]

Atp since they're not reverting, they must deem ssania too strong for aurora (even tho the way they went about it is bad) then I hope they compensate the playstyle by making it more viable on other content

Even not necessarily pvp

Just make more dottable bosses

[silver scaffold]

Dot and being miserable

Name a better duo

[atomic yew]

I would honestly be fine if they decided to make her more pvp viable

[silver scaffold]

My kafka

[atomic yew]

id return if that happneed

I just like the unit

[placid raft]

A playstyle that requires an entire comp should be viable in all aspects of the game even if it's not meta. It needs reworked if it's going to be disabled on certain bosses.

[atomic yew]

alternate playstyles like DoT are just more fun than cleave for me

[hollow iris]

kafka buffs coming huffs dangerous amount of copium

[unkempt basin]

Ye either make more viable content or just rework

I just think a rework would be too much work

And gonna take ages to finalize

[livid rampart]

Definitely I don't understand why they don't just make the bosses resistant to dot but instead make them completely immune

[silver scaffold]

I think dot being broken is fine due to their playstyle and their investment level

[livid rampart]

There is a middle ground but nah they don't care about it enough to bother it seems

[silver scaffold]

They literally wouldn't sell if they aren't broken

[atomic yew]

I mean you already had to strip aurora to even apply the Dot they could have made it so you had to strip it twice or something. Their were already in game protections against DoT

weird to go full scorched earth like they did

[hollow iris]

"bug"

[livid rampart]

Response was completely tone deaf too

[keen wadi]

They will give us 3 pulls for this mistake and an emergency livestream when?

[hollow iris]

Big time

[atomic yew]

oh the reddit response was pure disaster

like malicious

[hollow iris]

honestly threw oil on the fire

[livid rampart]

We will let you know better next time we decide to screw you over

Wow ty very cool xd

[keen wadi]

Sounds like infinity nikkie disaster

[hollow iris]

that one was random af

[livid rampart]

Its almost like they want bad publicity

[hollow iris]

at least these devs have been malicious, or at least maliciously incompetent from the start

[clear wadi]

should have definitely found some middle ground for launch instead of approaching it that way, but maybe there were deeper concerns about it

[livid rampart]

So then they come in later with scraps of "compensation" but root of problems are still there

Ah yes devs listened

I can hear the baa of sheep now

[cerulean canopy]

[clear wadi]

if it was available day 1 I'm sure it would have been fixed instantly but the level gating timing made this situation so much deeper since they didnt know until it was too late

[hollow iris]

tbh "from the start" was referring to the whole dupes fiasco.

[sly zinc]

so c, are we gonna get an actual response from devs or this is it lol

[hollow iris]

if it wasn't malicious its maliciously incompetent

[atomic yew]

im kinda confused now that I think about it Why did it have the buff to strip away to apply DoT's if it was laready supposed to be immune (is there another non control affect that could be put onto it?)

[cerulean canopy]

we stay bricked

[livid rampart]

Rework dot mechanic sounds like a chore I understand, also to rework characters. But the fights should be a simple balance of resistance instead of complete immunity

[hollow iris]

bricked buddies

[keen wadi]

I mean why hasnt it been tested? No flac to you just feels like a big red flag if they dont test bare minimums

[hollow iris]

wanna spend an hour farming 6 modules

[cerulean canopy]

there is no way these kind of devs will do something about this. they're not kuro

[livid rampart]

Even then dot almost completely useless in pvp and union boss

[clear wadi]

it probably was tested at some point but sometimes things break or dont function properly afterwards for random code reasons

[livid rampart]

So even a fight rework is just a bandaid

[keen wadi]

True truee

[livid rampart]

Not a true solution

[hollow iris]

why dont they look at their community content, hellhades and prydwen rated shadow sania high on aurora - did not that make them go "huh"

[keen wadi]

Ahwell it happened now anyways hope we get a proper response

[livid rampart]

"bug" Fina be fixed from 2 TWO betas

Sasuga devs very cool

[keen wadi]

"look at them the absolute fools, the clowns, ssania is F tier in Aurora "

[hollow iris]

tfw can clearly see people cleared aurora with SS during your beta and decided it was fine then but not fine now

better update will field

without notice

[livid rampart]

The real bug is them having a really shoody dot mechanic that somehow they struggling to "balance"

[sly zinc]

because it was a last minutes decision from someone higher up lol

[keen wadi]

They are fine with Ssania breaking terrormaton, but not Aurora

Cant let mommy take that % dmg

[hollow iris]

play the game myyyyy wayyyyyy reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

how dare you experiment with comps

[livid rampart]

Fine with her being useless in 60% of content too

[cerulean canopy]

imagine they fix terror as well to be immune to dots

[hollow iris]

S1S1S5 your rilmocha and s1s5s5 your gray for dokidoki right now

and lattice your rosa

for aurora

or im gonna be super mad

[keen wadi]

Dont give them ideas, this is a feedback thread

[cerulean canopy]

[keen wadi]

The one thing they did good was make us unite as a community 😂

[sly zinc]

too late for that Zolri, people have been given out so many Diting nerf ideas lol

[livid rampart]

Dw guys new animus gonna make it these fights easier again. That's what's planned trust

Any publicity is good publicity

[hollow iris]

create problem sell solution

[livid rampart]

Even if you're pissing ppl off

[keen wadi]

After Diting we still got Victor for oneshot teams

[cerulean canopy]

even with this, they don't care lmao. really red flag

[livid rampart]

Yep

[hollow iris]

Chaos Zero News i mean nightmare coming soon

no shortage of competitors

[keen wadi]

Yeeeee

[livid rampart]

Dw guys devs will listen with 50 crystals lol

[keen wadi]

June or july 20th was beta no

[hollow iris]

july is pre reg

no beta

[cerulean canopy]

what's this

[hollow iris]

we all get bricked together

[keen wadi]

Awww

[hollow iris]

just search 'chaos zero nightmare trailer 2' on youtube

its like darkest dungeon and slay the spire had a gacha baby

[cerulean canopy]

im trying a lot of games as long as it's not hoyoverse

[keen wadi]

Ananta is also coming still, but hope Etheria recovers from all of this drama right now

[livid rampart]

Interesting but sounds very frustrating

[keen wadi]

Just a rough launch like all typical game releases recently

[rich granite]

Don’t worry everyone the wait is over we have an official announcement…

About more servers

[hollow iris]

I meant slay the spire in terms of the combat not so much the roguelike runs XD

[atomic yew]

ngl looks kinda fire

[sly zinc]

yo as a Morimens player this is huge lol

[keen wadi]

I like the more gore-y art too

[hollow iris]

trailer 1 has some brutal deaths

[atomic yew]

holy fuck this is tone deaf lol (I'm gonna play as f2p on the new server though I cant help it)

[keen wadi]

Same

[hollow iris]

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-zero-nightmare-gif-10190934919873822655

[atomic yew]

at least I can play a non bricked account

im part of the problem all well

[keen wadi]

I used my resets as a dumbass to get lattices for ssania

[atomic yew]

saame XD

[livid rampart]

Big rip

[hollow iris]

i used my resets early even more stupidly

"Aw man valerian sin't really sustaining my team, lets get those lattices back"

[keen wadi]

Its ight I will probably use her for terror

[hollow iris]

"Shit sania is doing even worse lets go back to valerian"

[atomic yew]

I'll just have fun with this acct so I'm a lort less worried going in no sweating this time and def no dropping 1k lol

[hollow iris]

"Fuck Sania is actually biS for Massiah in a dual sustain with Ling? Ok."

[atomic yew]

if I pull s sania again I'm gonna cry tho

[livid rampart]

I'm already sending ditt and victor on terro

[hollow iris]

3 resets gone like that

[livid rampart]

Cuz now even my lian useless

[ivory sandal]

you do realize this was another feedback request too, right?

[rich granite]

It was a joke mate

[hollow iris]

#Devslistened

[atomic yew]

yes we all do we're jsut clowing thanks

[livid rampart]

Ok guys so how are they gonna "bug fix" linglao

Place your bets now

[keen wadi]

Remove immunity buff from ult heal

[ivory sandal]

with how people were acting here earlier, I couldn't assume so. fair enough.

[atomic yew]

we're not actually upset about another server (as we a ton of us said wed be playing in it I figured that was obv)

[hollow iris]

Hotfix: Tooltip wrong, her kits actually just worse

lets remove some features

[rich granite]

The new servers are fun for people just playing casually

[atomic yew]

Diting better have boobs in the next patch or imma riot

[livid rampart]

Sorry guys we didn't catch this I two beta and launch

[atomic yew]

yeah

[livid rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/geez-thats-terrible-gif-18843600

[unkempt basin]

Wait til you see andrew

[keen wadi]

Tbf theres a language bug in one of Ditings skills referring to him as her

[hollow iris]

i made a reddit thread voicing my pve complaints, this is my favorite comment

[atomic yew]

yeah that why I made the joke lol

[livid rampart]

There's a lot of gender translation errors

I almost thought they were intentional

It's 2025 after all

[atomic yew]

I was like cool Diting is a trans cat boi I love him. Maxxed his as my first sr

[hollow iris]

insert current year man here

[atomic yew]

will do again

[keen wadi]

And it's pride month now

[unkempt basin]

Clearly referencing a mythic skin where we get genderbend diting

[ivory sandal]

gender translation errors typically is because translators almost never see the original image

And in Chinese, the primary pronoun (他) is gender neutral in the first place (or rather doesn't imply any gender afaik)

[atomic yew]

I di not know this intersting makes sense

[hollow iris]

honestly, easiest fucking money make 2 gendered versions of every character, rotate the male and female one as the free version and get people to buy genderbends

[keen wadi]

Cool didnt know about that

[hollow iris]

you'll just win at life

big titty borgne, thong twink freya

[atomic yew]

honestly yeah a lot of games do this and make mad bank

[clear wadi]

fuck it why not

(cm's words are not lore accurate 🔥 )

[unkempt basin]

Amount of priests playing the game spikes

[atomic yew]

what was the alchemy gacha that turned the grandpa into a loli I remember a big post about it on gachagaming at some point

[livid rampart]

Damn this game will really take off lmao

[unkempt basin]

Ato don't tempt us with a good time

[keen wadi]

I will fuck it for sure ; ) ; )

[hollow iris]

G O O N E R S

[atomic yew]

Who's gonna stop me from gooning over Diting it aint gonna be you

[jolly pebble]

她 for female

[livid rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1122300651305705602/1263865124045983816/ezgif-6-1a6f6d2cb1.gif

[atomic yew]

r34 diting art coming soon

[livid rampart]

Thread derailed with coomers

[atomic yew]

yeah mb

illl stop

[hollow iris]

it's ok, we all have coom inside of us.

[unkempt basin]

So ssania amirite

[hollow iris]

(the fuck did i just write)

[atomic yew]

still bad so sad I'll cry about it (she's my second fav unit)

[hollow iris]

very cute, even if people say her face looks like ai slop i still love her

actually shes one of the weird ones where her model doesn't capture the aesthetic of her splash art

[unkempt basin]

Are we just secretly just ssania simps here hiding behind objective criticisms and the occassional rage filled comments

[livid rampart]

I kinda get annoyed at people saying stuff that isn't ai ai

[unkempt basin]

Surely not, im a competitive gamer

[hollow iris]

i was just jabbing

[livid rampart]

She's perfect

Muh waif

[hollow iris]

"occasional" i demand an apology, im fueled by rage here

[atomic yew]

you may not know the answer but when new servers get released do they stay conccurent with regular servers for banners or do they do the thing where it starts with the same banners as the earlier servers?

[hollow iris]

😉

[livid rampart]

.... Yes

[atomic yew]

I mean most people here built ssania to be mad in the first place and if you built her you most like liker he aesthetic so I dont think its that weird

[hollow iris]

i'd go to a new server if i could move my hydra vouchers over, would cancel my chargeback even 😛

[sly zinc]

banners are same across server

[atomic yew]

thanks

[unkempt basin]

I thought it was wrong to want your waifu to be good

[livid rampart]

Says who?

[sly zinc]

so server 3 probably out when Massiah banner end

[unkempt basin]

Cause you should show your dedication regardless

If she's meta or not

[royal sentinel]

@keen wadi now we have it 😄

[hollow iris]

my waifu is good AND the strongest

[atomic yew]

as a Die hard arknights gacha main I'm lucky in that all my waifus over their are amazing. THis game is 50/50 atm

[keen wadi]

What are you pinging me for

[livid rampart]

Nah that's not admirable

[hollow iris]

just theres a certain appeal to that sentence

[unkempt basin]

Sp im assuming your top 1 is rosa then

[livid rampart]

If you really like something you admire it and to be admired it should objectively be good

[royal sentinel]

you were against to new server no?

[unkempt basin]

True i gues

I can't admire sania IF SHE'S BENCHED

[keen wadi]

No I wasnt. Learn to read if you thought I was.

[atomic yew]

he just answered my question in no way did he give an opinion what are you on about

[hollow iris]

you can admire how she warms the seat for you

[unkempt basin]

how sweet, really im in tears

-_-

[hollow iris]

dont - _ - me

[atomic yew]

sheep girl warming your seat sounds oddly in character enough I'll take it

[rigid meteor]

Almost at 10k

[hollow iris]

she's doing her best

[unkempt basin]

-_-

[keen wadi]

._.

[hollow iris]

I love all of you, very much.

[atomic yew]

real talk tho if I pull S sania again I can just not build diting and taker for terror I guess

[unkempt basin]

You still need diting for aurora

There's no escaping

[keen wadi]

Nah just build burst build ssania

[unkempt basin]

Diting was, Diting is, and Diting forevermore

[hollow iris]

i like that one guy who pulled 5 LD's in 240 pulls but it was all Lily

[keen wadi]

[rigid meteor]

And diting gonna get nerfed like viktor

[atomic yew]

I pulled 3 copies of lily I feel their pain

[atomic yew]

this is what I hate the most. the response of we don't want 1 character to be used in everything. (Looks a tditing)

[unkempt basin]

Dot too strong btw

[autumn plaza]

Diting is everywhere

[unkempt basin]

Even in my kokoro

[autumn plaza]

[rigid meteor]

Dot still works on all shell boss Except Sharon?

[unkempt basin]

That's what they promised

[keen wadi]

There's 2 Diting inside of you 1 is trans the other is a catgirl

[atomic yew]

yeah but shell was never a problem too farm (at least for me) with like any of my other comps

[unkempt basin]

Haven't gotten to hoyang yet and the last one

[short bay]

granblue, if that hasnt been answered yet

[livid rampart]

Dw the fix is being worked on as we speak

[unkempt basin]

Oh he's inside me alright

[livid rampart]

Nerf everything to the ground except SSR ld

[autumn plaza]

Brother just give me 5 extra resets I beg

[atomic yew]

I actually love the fact that some Sr's can at least perform dps wise with ssr's. Great for f2p players especially in the first week or two of launch. One thing I';ll def give the game.

[rigid meteor]

Me that have no diting

[atomic yew]

not caligostoro I was actually talking about alchemy stars I think. (But cali is funny too)

[atomic yew]

wtf How I was at c6 on my acct

[short bay]

oo icic never heard of that one.

[sly zinc]

i didnt know SSania is a SR

[unkempt basin]

It'll be hotfixed soon

Ssr label must be a bug

[livid rampart]

She is now

[atomic yew]

s.sania as an sr would have made all of this a non issue is the worse part lol

but no she had to be an LD

for some reason

even a BGR woulda been fine honestly

[unkempt basin]

Actually true aside from simps other people getting ld units are disappointed after getting both lucky and unlucky at the same time

[livid rampart]

I prefer rgb anyways

[atomic yew]

yeah honestly LD's actually feel kinda bad? like pve wise anyway. (Besides lily who is allowed to be good at everything) Like messiah is not actually that doki is kinda w.e Mio is only used in pvp idk

[rigid meteor]

I prefer waifu and not the color of their element

[atomic yew]

what's the draw?

[keen wadi]

So hear me out ssania gets a gun, like a sniper gun, and a passive that gives bonus crit rate and then a single target ult that is on a 3 turn cd that does a lot of dmg?

[livid rampart]

Almost like they had the SSR and sr mixed up

[sly zinc]

i would said LD strength not too different from RGB is a good things, just Lily is overtune and SSania has rarity bug

[keen wadi]

Lmfao rarity bug

[livid rampart]

It's true

[atomic yew]

Lily is def the stand out, though I'd argue heinrich (being one of the main strippers ... no not that way) being locked bhind LD is actually kinda tough

[keen wadi]

So they make a ssr chiaki, but she deals dmg with DoTs

[livid rampart]

You have budget stripper blue guy forget his name looks cool tho

[atomic yew]

I do really hope they fix S sania as a Unit though I really like her

like they prob wont rework her kit if we're being honest but even a slight buff somewhere else would be fine

[atomic yew]

viper

yeah he's ... fine

[livid rampart]

The buff rework they'd have to give her would have to be worth it so she can be useful in more content

[atomic yew]

I had him for the comp

hate his look though

[livid rampart]

Looks fine to me

[keen wadi]

Tbf they couldve made ssania like Sigret from e7

[atomic yew]

idk just not for me

[keen wadi]

The more debuffs on target the more dmg ult does

[livid rampart]

Almost all animus are really good design wise

[keen wadi]

Instead of straight up % dmg

[atomic yew]

Idk that would mean you have to build her damage though, which means not having time weave set. Which means applying DoTs is tough

idk I dont think itd work

[keen wadi]

Thats the whole point

Remove dot from the kit

Replace it with normal dmg type and synergy with debuffs to still have the same idea of effect

[livid rampart]

Id think resistance to dot like making it harder to apply would be ok. But making it completely irrelevant is not

[keen wadi]

Ye or make dot do fixed dmg

[livid rampart]

That all or nothing immunity is really annoying in games

[atomic yew]

I mean they could have just made dots do dmg based off atk or something. it was the %hp that was 'apparently' the problem

[livid rampart]

Based off another stat would work yea

[sly zinc]

just do not scale with max hp lol, you just ask players to cheese if you add skill with enemies max hp scaling in it

[livid rampart]

Like based off of the animu HP and not the bosses

[keen wadi]

Its also %maxhp I think dot wouldve been more balanced already with %currenthp

[livid rampart]

That would make hp something good for not just healer

[atomic yew]

hell you know what To make her make sense, just linke normal sania, have the dot scale off her hp%. Let's you keep building her tanky like you can already while staying true to the character. and have obol and fangus scale off of atk

I think that makes sense

[livid rampart]

Sure it would take some tweaks to iron out but it's far better than this all or none lazy tone deaf approach

[atomic yew]

though probably way too much work lol

[livid rampart]

Maybe she could have a passive that does that

[short bay]

well the scaling would be weird considering youd still need eff acc

[atomic yew]

lets be honest though they're not gonna change her

[livid rampart]

Others based off attack but hers would also scale from hp

[short bay]

so if you make the scaling high, then one lucky dot on a no eff acc sania deletes things and its cheesed in a different way

[atomic yew]

I mean with shell and 1 % eff acc module you can get 70% eff acc it's not that hard

[livid rampart]

That's a bit more complex than simply making it based off enemies hp

And that's probably why they won't ever rework it

Pure lazy

[atomic yew]

anyways I'll see you guys tomorrow on server 3 lol

[livid rampart]

Almost incompetence since they had betas to address

[sly zinc]

wait did they just annouce Hoyan and Holden as Apex banner

if this is not typo then it is gonna be real funny

[fickle sparrow]

yes they just actually did

[candid scarab]

Is there an official announcement for any form of compensation? I remember they acknowledged it was a mistake?

[quaint jasper]

This is getting embarrassing at this point

[sly zinc]

ok what mistake you talking about because there are so many lol

[candid scarab]

At least communication problem is what they acknowledged. And there is actual impact to players progression. Based on these 2 facts, should there be at least some compensation?

Sorry if this is already over and people moved on. I just came back from work expecting an announcement.

[sly zinc]

nothing from the actual devs atm

ok Hoyan and Holden things are typo lol

[cerulean canopy]

hoyan apex?

[sly zinc]

c confirm it in other channel

[flat anchor]

where

[cerulean canopy]

so we can't use our tix?

[flat anchor]

How is Hoyan LD she's green

[cerulean canopy]

lmao

[candid scarab]

oh ok. will let friends hold back joining the game until they do something.

[flat anchor]

she's hollow

so she's standard

[lone thunder]

I hope it's a mistake because that just can't be.

[sly zinc]

they confirm it a typo just now

[lone thunder]

Nice.

[flat anchor]

where

what is a typo?

[lone thunder]

They reposted the tweet.

[lone thunder]

Apex summon for the new banners.

[flat anchor]

brother be more clear

which part is the typo

is it or is it not apex?

[flat anchor]

so standard got it

[lone thunder]

Yes

[flat anchor]

Holden too?

[lone thunder]

First it was with golden tickets

Yes

[sly zinc]

they used "Apex" instead of "Anima", high chance just copy pasted from Massiah banner lol

[lone thunder]

Both standard.

[flat anchor]

so which banner replaces Massiah?

[sly zinc]

now fixed

[eager tendon]

the banner had green icon so it was obvious typo from copy and paste

[unkempt basin]

Off topic but is she any good or is the kit not yet revealed?

[flat anchor]

I mean I was about to pull out the false advertisement hammer because the YT video literally shows her as green

[sly zinc]

look at this 10k chat thread lol, we cant really trust anything anymore

[flat anchor]

she seems absurd

her ult maxed out has 2 turn cooldown

[foggy cliff]

That's for her alternate dark version in the future

[unkempt basin]

Well i like her design anyway

[flat anchor]

single target nuke that prevents revive and can revive her own team per kill

she also has anti heal on her basic

[lone thunder]

Yeah future banner is okay not just after launch.

[flat anchor]

yea her boss version

[lone thunder]

She has anti heal.

[foggy cliff]

Hoyan seems PvP oriented, idk if she is good in PvE at all

[flat anchor]

this gonna be LD hoyan

[foggy cliff]

Mask off version I hope

[sly zinc]

i thought the boss is 2 of them merged together lol

[lone thunder]

Revive and when she kill enemy they can't revive.

Kinda PvP unit

[flat anchor]

a told everyone yesterday that most of the bosses are the playable characters lol

[foggy cliff]

I wonder if that works against Valerian

[flat anchor]

just different versions

Astarte is probably DokiDoki alter

[lone thunder]

I don't think it works cause valerian prevent fatal hit and doesn't revive I believe.

[last temple]

Valerian seems to stop them from dying so probably not

[lone thunder]

https://youtu.be/QqcSSiOGz1M?feature=shared

[last temple]

Literally just the old trailer

Even says CBT for january 9th

That is insane

[lone thunder]

Not sure if the skills still the same

[lone thunder]

Yeah.

[rich granite]

Old video from beta lol. What happened to Hoyan getting a rework

[lone thunder]

I don't think there's new video of her kit.

[rich granite]

Nope

[flat anchor]

Valerian has a max 3 turn cooldown, since Hoyan has 2 she can still nuke her in round 2

[lone thunder]

Yeah just checked, just re-uploaded the old video.

[rich granite]

Just outright lazy. If they didn’t change her kit at least take the beta info off the end of the video before reuploading

[last temple]

Yeah

But you have to remove the Val buff first

Then she can

[flat anchor]

also she get's knocked out of ult with anybody getting fatal

[last temple]

Yeah

[flat anchor]

also turn 2 is a valid strat since she has self revive and can revive the dead supports or healers after ult kills

[last temple]

You can be fine for one turn cause her S3 max does it at the start of battle

Then use it again

So 2 uses, but after that you gotta win

[lone thunder]

Yeah, I agree. Maybe not even the model rework or improvement.

[last temple]

Yeah for sure

Hoyan looks crazy

But supposedly they were meant to change her

So we'll see when she drops

[lone thunder]

Nothing changed unfortunately. As far as her demo video shows.

[last temple]

Yeah

Still, even if her kit was the same using the old CBT video is ridiculous imo

[lone thunder]

Yeah that's something.

[last temple]

Like this wouldn't be a bad thing if the rest of the issues regarding communication weren't a thing imo

We could pass it off

But this being here too

While little compared to everything else

Just feels bad

[fickle sparrow]

single target arby that looks like lilibet

[lone thunder]

Yeah, communication died after launch.

For some reason.

[last temple]

Yeah it is weird

I think the popularity

Brought too much pressure

[lone thunder]

Maybe or they need to consult to make any announcements or something.

[last temple]

Yeah

[rich granite]

Yeah it’s the fact that all of this is adding up very quickly

[last temple]

Yep

Too many things happening

That look bad

And all of it is communication

[sly zinc]

on literally 1st week lol

[last temple]

Yep

[sly zinc]

imagine 3-4 months later

[rich granite]

I’m scared to think about it

[last temple]

Yeah

I wanna spend money but the way they're handling things so far makes me nervous

[sly zinc]

anyway if no response from devs in the next 2 days then imma out anyway lol

[unkempt basin]

at least you haven't spent yet 🥲

[last temple]

Yeah

I was super tempted in beta

But cause I was doing finals I didn't spend

[unkempt basin]

ye had my preboards during the time but I still spent a bit

[rich granite]

They have shown there is no reason to spend. There is no confidence in the longevity of the game

[sly zinc]

i only spent like 15$, too little to worth charging back, but still enough to feel stinks lol

[last temple]

Yeah

[hollow iris]

making rememento look like a wise investment lmao

[rich granite]

Well tomorrow is Friday in China so if we don’t hear anything by tomorrow night it’ll probably be Monday

[last temple]

Rememento is fun

[rich granite]

Rememento is Dead already in Korea where the game is made

[hollow iris]

its fun, but its obviously gonna EOS

[last temple]

Seems like it

[sly zinc]

ye thats my point, im not gonna wait out another weekend lol

[last temple]

Yeah for sure

Unfortunately

[hollow iris]

thats the joke

🙂

[rich granite]

A lot of people are gonna quit over the weekend

[rich granite]

Ah gotcha. r/whoosh

[hollow iris]

ye ye etheria so bad makes rememento look good teehee im so funny

😛

[last temple]

It does make me a bit sad that so many of these issues are preventable

And that so much blowback is gonna happen

[rich granite]

Man you’re unfortunately right

[rich granite]

Everything that has happened was so easily preventable with just a little forethought. It doesn’t even take much effort

[unkempt basin]

what are the odds they do a 180

[hollow iris]

honestly at least the rememento discord has a positive vibe lmao

[last temple]

It was

[hollow iris]

enjoying their dead af game

[last temple]

If they pull a Wuwa

[unkempt basin]

we just hit 10k congrats everyone

[last temple]

It'd be insane

[last temple]

W

[rich granite]

It takes more effort to fuck up this bad than do it right the first time

[rich granite]

WW

[last temple]

I think so lmfao

[hollow iris]

did-did we beat the husbando thread

[unkempt basin]

t-there's a husbando thread?

[hollow iris]

also 10k comments later and the most communication has been "lol sorry"

[rich granite]

And now they will laugh at us in a YouTube video just like the gender thread they discussed on YouTube. That was unprofessional af

[rich granite]

Yup…. No actual communication has been had

[hollow iris]

during beta some traumatized husbando fans made a male female ratio thread yea

afraid it'll be like other mixed gacha that start with a alright ratio then become token male a year lmao

blew up into a bunch of stuff

[last temple]

Considering that the leaked characters we have so far are 2 male 1 female

[rich granite]

And the community managers laughed about it on a professional video

[last temple]

They shouldn't be worried

[rich granite]

We have plenty of male characters

[last temple]

Agreed