Shadow Buff Terrormaton and Aurora.

[scarlet folio]

Not lying yes, but not being transparent about the changes and not being forward enough to communicate first before fixing the "bug" and its consequences is both wrong thou this could have been prevented if they stepped forward first, acknowledged the bug and its consequences to certain units and players using them, then compensating by extending the Refund Event in game or making it free for a week, could have soften the blow. Now its PR disaster and YT CC already posting vids about this

[spiral wedge]

can we get a etheria coin buff im so broke rn i have 800k

plz c

[brave gate]

3k what

[spiral wedge]

❤️

[placid raft]

but when you need to farm something 100x a day it should not take a lot of work

[quick cairn]

Monies

[clear wadi]

yes, it should have had prior notice regardless

[toxic hare]

Type 1 if ur having fun right now being completely walled from content with no way to move forward with all the units you've invested in and having your full dot team nerfed.

[clear wadi]

that is on us and not something I've argued with

[feral heart]

Is that what you’re gonna say when they add 50/50s

[winter prawn]

tbf historically these kind of teams have been brute force removed from gacha PvE so its not that surprising. Just frustrating to update what has immunity not just having the harder versions of the boss have the immunity

[brave gate]

Monopoly monies?

[quick cairn]

Real life dollars sir

[primal hare]

I think it’s very easy to argue this was concealment caused by ineptitude, but concealment all the same. Aurora could be dot’d in beta; she can’t on live. There was no way for players to know this until level 30 because it wasn’t documented—that’s concealment @clear wadi

[clear wadi]

is this helpful or constructive

[forest vector]

Again devs are multiple people, non English speaking, and have gotten in trouble with miscommunication in the past as you mentioned. So idk again it hasn't even been 24 hours yet

[clear wadi]

or just making my job harder

🤣

[chilly violet]

Are they planning too or are you just trying to put him in a tough position for no reason

[minor crown]

imagine hating c when all hes doing is playing with his dog

[quick cairn]

Ill take a 50/50 bundle

[feral heart]

no just rage bait

[quick cairn]

Gimme

[autumn plaza]

I need more resets

[chilly violet]

Lets not do that to the poor mod, they're going through it right now lol

[placid raft]

It shouldnt be a limited event to begin with.

[stuck delta]

Guess im using my shadow sania for....shell farming? lmao

[prisma orbit]

what if its a 50/50 hein or shadow sania

[forest vector]

Still good at terror

[autumn plaza]

True

[stuck delta]

can i have a 10% at lily instead?

[minor crown]

50% chance of greatness and 50% chance for hein

[stuck delta]

i can just use diting there

less investment

[quick cairn]

Idk i spent 3k and still no heinrich so

[clear wadi]

Beta =/= launch. It was on the description for launch. I understand how you feel, but it isn't exactly true

[brave gate]

100% reason to remember the name

[forest vector]

Somewhat tangent but I also feel like terror is poory designed it's too gimmicky. I think dokidoki was more fun to make strategies for. Aurora also seems fun

[clear wadi]

yeah terror is a pain in the ass

[steel ravine]

why would I use shadow sania for terror if I can use ditting who is cheaper to build and can also be used on other pve content? (and also rta if needed)

[minor crown]

https://tenor.com/view/wailmer-flying-wailmy-gif-27181478

[steel ravine]

there is no scenario where shadow sania makes sense now

[quick cairn]

How about u stop hiding heinrich from me u probs told the devs i got bottom wallet and said dont give cures HEINRICH they will keep spending money

[brave gate]

Terror is don't get hit or die for me

[clear wadi]

no one has argued against this

[primal hare]

Okay, tell me when players could read the description on launch? When was that information, that is contradictory to beta, available to players?

[minor crown]

shes really good at seducing diting wym

[winter prawn]

im pretty sure she still works on most shell bosses still fwiw

[stuck delta]

can we pin this lmfao

[placid raft]

it not being listed anywhere in the patch notes from beta / launch makes it a shadow change which is why people are saying it's concealment. Not seeing a change until you're level 30 and it's listed in the boss mechanics but no where in patch notes feels very shady.

[minor crown]

if there was a seduce diting gamemode shadow sania will clear

[feral heart]

Shadow sania is now a 50/50 loss

[quick cairn]

Psure shadow sania still pumps in terror 4 brother

[prisma orbit]

ull get him from the ssr ticket either from the 14th day or from the lvl 50 bundle or from the dazzler event bundle trust

[forest vector]

I think I'm going to have to build val despite already having built Celince for dokidoki. Shields account :S

[primal hare]

@clear wadi yes or no, could players only learn about the Aurora changes at account level 30?

[clear wadi]

the approach for launch to nerf dot teams could have definitely been done better with damage reduction etc, and no one is arguing against that

[stuck delta]

fwiw...theres actually a W scenario for XD devs in this...acknowledge they believe DoTs are overtuned and announce theyre working on a shadow sania fix/rework

[steel ravine]

I won't even bother calculating how much it costs to guarantee a LD unit, just to put in perspective that players have a 1/6 of getting literally nothing out of that financial investment

[outer valve]

@clear wadi will Jack be addressing this? I know he’s chimed in some few times in the past

[prisma orbit]

still works in hell 4 terror

[stuck delta]

like they could actually save a little face by talking about that

[clear wadi]

again though this was not the reason for the bugfix

it was not to nerf them for being broken

[chilly marsh]

It's simple. Jack comes and announces he's nerfing all non Embertrek, Anisync Echo, and Ethernet Rally PVE stages to be easier and is giving us x10 stability pot and a random SSR. Then we close this thread

[minor crown]

this is probably karma for twinkshaming me

[quick cairn]

Ok twink relax your hair is sparking up

[chilly marsh]

Simple as that.

[spiral wedge]

im just ready for a nice fat compensation ❤️

plz 10 million etheria coins

[minor crown]

also why does ember trek apate whack us so hard

whats the deal here

[stuck delta]

This isn't about the bugfix. This is about how it was intended since launch so clearly they deem it overtuned.

[clear wadi]

kk

just making sure

[ashen token]

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that we need to be able to reset our DoT characters. I don’t even care for compensation at this point because as far as gacha companies are concerned that’s a gift to the players. The problem that keeps getting ignored is that Diting clears everything in the game except Doki in seconds and nobody bats an eye but for some reason they decided to restrict the weakest team comp in the game that was already only good at one thing.

[clear wadi]

we're on the same page then

[prisma orbit]

truu its so hard

[chilly violet]

This would be awful compensation

[swift falcon]

I think he is ordered to not talking about it, or use specific words, because he keeps avoiding it.

[forest vector]

IMO they have to be very careful because there's a very high risk of backfire if the response doesn't meet some people's wants. Some want a reset. Some want the hotfix to be reverted. Some want more pulls. I think it's very delicate situation

[feral heart]

Free SSR?

[clear wadi]

when have I been avoiding it

ive been here for two hours

[primal hare]

I won’t call y’all liars, but you all did conceal information regarding the changes to Aurora by failing to communicate them and having them only available to players at account level 30.

[clear wadi]

talking about it

[prisma orbit]

I feel like everything in the game is harder compared to open beta

[quick cairn]

@clear wadi is there a bug on ether net? Look at the progress bars

[minor crown]

i hope u get shadow sania again

[minor crown]

fr tho

[stuck delta]

honestly theres a pretty easy answer....give people the chance to let it go for a random LD roll in its place or keep it

[chilly marsh]

we are, giga nerf terrormaton for fun. x10 stab pot + free SSR. Tell Shadow Sania players to suck it. lock thread. Glad we got there.

[forest vector]

If they do the wrong thing tomorrow we will get "I'm quitting the game after their fake apology"

[minor crown]

i dont mind it it's just why wasnt it mentioned

[clear wadi]

please report that somewhere else I don't know 😭

[swift falcon]

People are trying to talk about the design choice that occurred between beta and launch. And you keep brushing them off to talk about something completely different, the bugfix.

[prisma orbit]

all the +9 -+12 gear guides are useless now lol

[quick cairn]

Aye aye captain!

[clear wadi]

if you read I've had multiple conversations about it before. I'm not brushing it off just making sure they were on the same page

[past crystal]

[quick cairn]

Ill make a ticket

[minor crown]

hi can we lock this thread before 7k posts so male:female ratio part 1 stays #1

[clear wadi]

lol

[placid raft]

there are multiple stages. Once you clear the first map it opens another. the landing page displays your progress throughout all stages.

[clear wadi]

tysm

[chilly violet]

Man he's got 100 people yapping to him about stuff and he's been over that, leave the homie alone they doin their best

[prisma orbit]

lock it at 6999 posts

[stuck delta]

yeah im fine with it not working as part of their means to disrupt what they perceive as too strong, but im not fine with having a character that is above and beyond below its peers and not have some sort of rework, compensation, etc.

[primal hare]

I’m trying to make sure we are on the same page re: concealment but you’re dodging my very easy question about what account level players had to be to discover the Aurora changes since it wasn’t communicated

[forest vector]

Can we have part 3 after next banner release?

[clear wadi]

it's not even my work hours I'm just doing this because I wanted everyone to understand the situation better

[atomic sundial]

The expecations of that one Shadow Sania main:

[clear wadi]

and it doesn't mean we didn't fall short in places

[quick cairn]

Christian needs a beach day

[chilly violet]

Nah bro go get your overtime, don't work for free

[last temple]

Free lily incoming W

[stuck delta]

funny enough you kinda need lily for ssania 🤣

[last temple]

Yeah Lily helps s sania so much

[outer valve]

Now I genuinely feel bad for x1000%

No one should have to work outside of work hours. God bless you!

[clear wadi]

if it was in the game to begin with, it isn't concealment. Beta is a different game. I'm not entirely sure as I don't know every in and out of the game though

[forest vector]

Tomorrow: fixed bug where lily worked with sania

[clear wadi]

you might have been able to see it somewhere else

[atomic sundial]

Lily helps everyone including my dog

[clear wadi]

STOP

I DONT WANNA DO THIS ROUNDABOUT

😭

[stuck delta]

id be happy with that

[last temple]

Ture

[stuck delta]

if my girl has to burn

so does diting

[brave gate]

Deleted 👍

[clear wadi]

lolol

[forest vector]

Leave diting alone (and maybe release a cool skin or ssr)

[prisma orbit]

If they add skill priority to auto i dont mind if they nerf dots

[clear wadi]

diting falling off anyways dont stress

[stuck delta]

ACTUALLY REAL

[minor crown]

sos im being bullied

[prisma orbit]

manual is tiring

[queen patrol]

Tbf, if they were concealing it, they would have left it off the skill description.

[clear wadi]

but rn he's saving me

[scarlet folio]

Yea people played beta and pre planned their day 1 strat revolving said beta. Devs released pre launch patch notice so people depended on it, and thats good. No one was mad that some units were nerfed because it was addressed prior to launch so people were able to avoid building those units based on the nerfs. While SSania was still used after launch simply because nothing was said by devs about their plan to make changes in Aurora, wch now is where we are at

[queen patrol]

You not reading the skill isn't concealment

[forest vector]

I have khloros built with 6 lattices I'm still building diting for terror and\or aurora bc he's my favorite unit design

[atomic sundial]

When the "enemies don't take dmg from characters called Diting" hotfix releases:
"It wasn't a nerf, it was indented but it was bugged"

[unkempt charm]

you cant read the skills until it unlocks at 30 tho

[quick cairn]

I just kill everything in 10mins with 4 healers

[brave gate]

How does that work with terror damage stacking?

[quick cairn]

Who cares about being fast when u can be a turtle

[feral heart]

Is this overshadowing

[stuck delta]

well hopefully theres news in the morning...i dont want to have to chargeback but it may come to it

[spiral wedge]

can u tell me who isnt gunna fall off, bc i reset characters to build another and they got cooked w nerfs

[atomic sundial]

1 hour farm for 5

[quick cairn]

U out heal dont matter

[placid raft]

The main point is that if this "bug" was left out of patch notes, what else was left out of patch notes???

[brave gate]

Out healing a 1 shot? Teach me

[quick cairn]

Healers are worse then dot

On god

[prisma orbit]

ez valerian

[primal hare]

Players literally couldn't know this major change was implemented because it was concealed. Now, I'm not arguing the intention of that concealment nor am I calling y'all liars, just awful communicators. But do to that failing, Aurora being dot immune was concealed from the playerbase.

[clear wadi]

I'm not gonna argue about this further sorry

[atomic sundial]

WHATTT

[steel ravine]

I am in the same ship, if they don't own their massive L and instead decide to gaslight us I am totally out, not even one week and we are already at this situation

[placid raft]

Yeah how are percentage changes and hp boosts not seen as a big deal? That is insane. That's making content harder and not documenting it.

[atomic sundial]

It's even worse than I thought?!?!!?!

HP BOOSTS?

[clear wadi]

I agree it should have been in the patch notes too

but I'm saying they aren't as big of a deal as this

try not to twist my words as I had much more context in other areas

[placid raft]

While also nerfing units like Rosa and Marvell who were key factors in clearing content even in beta. So double dipping on making content harder.

[prisma orbit]

if its not in patch notes its prob 1% boost

[granite narwhal]

The devs are greedy, lying scum. Deal with that if you want to play this game long term (if they don't fade into oblivion first). Shadow changes are the faux pas of any gacha. Do that lying shit and you immediately lose the trust of your fanbase

[stuck delta]

yeah im not going to belabor it...ive said it a bunch that ssania sucks and she sucks worse now. if they talk about reworking her/dots ill stay, if not oh well i guess

[errant solstice]

This discord about to shrink to 15k members if devs don’t release something Kekw

[willow wraith]

I'm suprised this has already gotten more engagement than the dupe thread.

[clear wadi]

and again was not lying, was just a bugfix that had unintended consequences

that weren't understood well

[forest vector]

I don't get it if we just remove Sania from the game this issue goes away right ?

[prisma orbit]

no doom posting pls

[granite narwhal]

lol bug fix

[clear wadi]

and better notice should have been given

[brave gate]

Alright I'm out. I hope you survive @c 👋

[spice radish]

thank you ❤️

[granite narwhal]

fk off with that gaslighting

[clear wadi]

it's not gaslighting

it was in the description since the start

[quick cairn]

Man c fingers must hurt when he goes to bed

[clear wadi]

gonna time you out sorry dont' wanna go over this 20 more times

😞

[late onyx]

day 3* not the start

[hollow belfry]

Poor C doing the work of 10 people trying to put out the fires 😅

[willow wraith]

i personally don't think i'll interact with the game in the same way if Sania is not improved in some way though

[atomic sundial]

Why weren't the HP boosts for bosses in the announcement?

[steel ravine]

dupe situation was because of content creators spreading false information, this is because the company doing some massive mental gymnastics into gaslighting us, one is much worse than the other

[grizzled raptor]

guys this is more important, is dting a male or female

[stuck delta]

good luck with all this, hopefully youre able to communicate all of our distrust, frustrations with dot characters (specifically Ssania) and other feedback and it is taken into account quickly...thanks for stopping in gn ❤️

[past crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-office-spongebob-on-fire-gif-13729593

[queen patrol]

He's a guy. His passive just has a bad translation

[atomic sundial]

She/Him

[uneven pine]

It's clearly an unpopular change that suits no one. And then to get radio silence only adds insult to injury. The anger I've seen from this chat today exceeds the fallout from the dupes in RTA fiasco, and it's only going to grow until people get an official response and compensation.

[forest vector]

They changed her in one game level in content that once you pass consistently you don't need to mess with it except to speed up.

[grizzled raptor]

thank you

[grizzled raptor]

what is that

[willow wraith]

its just suprising even people this doesnt affect have in large been supportive

[atomic sundial]

a joke

[feral heart]

If that’s a women then she has one small ass chest

[grizzled raptor]

thank you

[swift falcon]

I mentioned this before, but the PR talking points only irritate people more than just being silent.

[clear wadi]

id argue the dupe situation was worse 🤣

[grizzled raptor]

flat justice

[prisma orbit]

its only been 8 hrs give them time.....

china just woke up 3 hrs ago

[clear wadi]

they aren't pr talking points, gaslighting, or manipulating

[queen patrol]

8 hours of night time when people sleep

[forest vector]

Male this is consistent issue in descriptions almost all characters. Idk if they used AI for localization or what it's a weird bug.

[late onyx]

Bc there has been too many “coincidences”, it’s either intentional or incompetence

[clear wadi]

just genuinely explaining the situation, the faults involved, and how we got here

[grizzled raptor]

thank you

[clear wadi]

and stopping the incorrect accusations

[willow wraith]

bro youve been running defensive for 2 hours, you seem to only want to provoke people by downplaying this

[prisma orbit]

Guys just be paitent china just woke up 3 hrs ago 😭

[steel ravine]

it is not bug fixing if the change was not part of the patch notes, that is what everyone is arguing about

[atomic sundial]

It isn't worse because people are expecting XD to fix it and allow DoT for Aurora
It all depends on what the response is, the main streamers will talk about this in a few hours since it's late in the US

[uneven pine]

This reads as the situation not being taken seriously. I've seen far more people threaten to quit over this than they did over the RTA dupes.

[chilly marsh]

well you could just revert the dot change and nerf the other stages just to shut us up the devs not you C you're just the messenger we love you

[clear wadi]

it's bug fixing if it is in the boss description since the beginning, yes

[placid raft]

I feel like this is worse personally. Not having changes to bosses in patch notes makes me really wonder what else was missed in patch notes which is a huge breach of trust. I know that's not on you, and I appreciate you speaking to us because that's a lot better than being ignored. But this has left a really bad taste in my mouth.

[unkempt charm]

lets just say this all is just "ANOTHER" huge misunderstanding and you take this at 100% face value, i aint gonna be spending a single penny on this game when the devs think making something unviable is the best soloution to fixing this issue when even a baby could see giving the boss higher eff resistance would have fixed the issue without causing no dram

[feral heart]

I think they got shadow sania and shadow sania only

[steel ravine]

the beggining of live? that no one had access to?

[willow wraith]

i pray thats all they ever get from summons

[steel ravine]

it was not the case on any beta, and dot team was widely known for working

[forest vector]

Not really I'm just waiting to see what they do bc it seems like it's been indicated that they are making plans I don't think bandwagon and escalation will change their response this late into it

[steel ravine]

if the intent was to disable dot it would definitely be the type of thing that should have been mentioned on the patch notes

it just doesn't feel right

[willow wraith]

i disagree if people let it go, the response will be smaller

[uneven pine]

If we don't hear a reasonable response with a plan to revert the change or provide serious compensation, I'm planning to call my bank in the morning.

[steel ravine]

the whole narrative about the situation

[feral heart]

Just change shadow sanias kit at this point

[unkempt charm]

yup asian devs dont know eu laws

[forest vector]

Their response to RTA was a permanent 20 drop in pity for all of time like idk they have a good track record at making things right so it just seems to me like people are willingly disregarding what's been said multiple times to try and make things bigger cause they want more free stuff.

[clear wadi]

I want to lock the thread so I can step aside and enjoy my evening outside of work but itl cause more problems.. just tired of the same circles

[prisma orbit]

you should

[clear wadi]

it's hard to share every single message ive said in this thread

[prisma orbit]

less stuff for the devs to read

[feral heart]

Check pins

[clear wadi]

and ill just keep having to go in circles to get all the old points across

pins dont show everything that was said

unforuntately

[outer valve]

Job well done C! Have a nice break/evening whatever

[clear wadi]

cant just pin every message

[queen patrol]

Tbf nothing you say will calm them down. Most of them probably weren't even impacted or benefited greatly from the bug

[last temple]

Might be worth locking it at this point since like you said, just circles

[uneven pine]

You could summarize the talking points that people need to know and then just pin that one post. Just an idea.

then afterwards close the thread.

[full pilot]

Why not run down a summary message then lock the thread so everyone that comes here are aware of what has been acknowledged?

[last temple]

Yeah

[prisma crow]

The thing im most upset about is no longer being able to reset my lian

[willow wraith]

If the result is the same i understand locking it, but showing a larger discussion can make the team feel the level of dissatisfaction

[placid raft]

Locking the thread would feel like sweeping it under the rug. Let the thread keep growing so the devs see how big of an issue this is to the playerbase.

[past crystal]

[atomic sundial]

Locking the thread: There's no nerf in Ba Sing Se

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-5253984031697501451

[last temple]

I would hope at this point that c would convey our worries

[steel ravine]

locking the thread will give the impression that the situation is solved, which it clearly isn't

just clock out and let it as it is

[last temple]

Atleast regarding not having all changes in the patch notes

[feral heart]

I am pretty sure C is the community manager and if I am not wrong him and jack are friends so I am certain he’ll send the feedback to him

[stuck delta]

ill be honest, im only complaining because im an s3 ssania beta rebater and i feel like i got punched in the balls...just the honest truth lol

[quick cairn]

Pin a summarized paragraph of QnA of what you found important with your responses

[stuck delta]

i dont have a problem admitting it lol

[queen patrol]

Fair in your case.

[sly zinc]

make a comment says its was the dev fault for not including the Aurora DoT immune changes in launch patchs notes then pin it, and we will stop, just do not want the dev to get away with this problem.

[willow wraith]

I believe C will convey our worries, but C also has the ability to say this thread got 4k comments or this thread got 6k comments, and one of those numbers may sound more serious

[last temple]

Fair

[forest vector]

I think everything that is going to be said has been said in 4k replies but idk maybe I'm crazy. If I'm understanding correctly devs probably don't read these directly they rely on staff like C to relay sentiment.

[quick cairn]

C needs some in and out who gonna donate to the hard worker @minor crown @prisma orbit

[lavish gazelle]

So, just read a lot of things, what we are being told is that it was on the game just poorly communicated, so my understanding is we will not have any compensation for it right? As it was a bugfix and it was somehow written in game?

[minor crown]

um sweaty u live closer to em

[prisma orbit]

in and out? its too late for that i think they closed

its 9:40pm

[quick cairn]

[queen patrol]

Talk about jumping to conclusions

[feral heart]

What are you smoking

[unkempt charm]

so this situation is like you talking to a girl online for months its going well and its got you thinking one thing is true then the big day comes and you meet up and she has a 15 inch penis and she says what you mean bro it said on the bottom of my msn messenger profile in size 2 white font that i was a man... then you get fucked in the ass

[forest vector]

Wtf

[atomic sundial]

C has been writing for 10 minutes

[lavish gazelle]

If it was not a nerf, it was intended, and just a hot fix, then why should we be compensated?

[brave gate]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-burgundy-escalated-quickly-gif-9744555

[stuck delta]

hopefully uploading a dog picture

[queen patrol]

Because communication was poor. Which has been acknowledged and agreed to

[forest vector]

Shirtless diting skin would be good compensation imo

[stuck delta]

heres to hoping i wake up to "click here to exchange your shadow sania for a random SSR LD" 🤣

[lavish gazelle]

Not as hopeful as you haha, but hoping you are right

[last temple]

And then you get another s sania from that

[stuck delta]

thats fucked up

[last temple]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

[deep pawn]

why does my favourite character have to be so bad rip

[quick cairn]

I alrdy have 4 copies i dint want more

I want a single heinrich

[last temple]

What about another s sania dupe, take it or leave it

No heinrichs here

[quick cairn]

[atomic sundial]

Sania mains expectations:

[willow wraith]

it may also be better for us if the thread is locked though

[gleaming swan]

please buff ssania's dot damage by 690% as compensation thanks

[stuck delta]

Chris talking to XD devs rn: "Just revert these shit so these fucking apes leave me alone"

[willow wraith]

because if posts die down, it would look worse than it being locked

[steel ravine]

it will not die

[willow wraith]

then ay leave it up

[outer valve]

How much more can people hammer the point home

[steel ravine]

people can still post a screenshot of their chargeback in the morning

[forest vector]

This kind of mind games undermine feedback imo.

[willow wraith]

thats kinda how i feel to continue requires more and more affected people to come

[stuck delta]

honestly she could be kinda legit if they gave her "true damage" in pvp

[willow wraith]

Brother mind games are the point of us and the Devs and thats not shit talking thats just life.

[atomic sundial]

Compensation: 50 crystals & 1 reset (oh, you leveled up the whole DoT team? it's a shame 😛)

[gleaming swan]

hsr maybe has this mechanic but not sure, i quit long time ago

[willow wraith]

Yo i'll take a sania with 30% additional counter attack rate anyday

[stuck delta]

im stretching, i just dont want to feel like all my money went to waste since shes unusable in pvp and basically pve now and i couldnt reroll

[atomic sundial]

Idea: Make Sania summon SR Sania

& Lily too

[stuck delta]

https://tenor.com/view/miwa-miwapeito-lethercook-cooking-somul-gif-8432641966210451626

[clear wadi]

many feelings are valid, as we had our faults here without giving prior notice to the hotfix, but again not gaslighting and it was a real bug fix as it was in the description before the hotfix and this was all unintended consequences. I'm not sure why they didn't want DoT being as strong on launch, and I agree there probably could have been a better way to balance it rather than disabling it on aurora, but it doesn't mean we lied or that it wasn't a genuine bug fix that led to some unintended backlash. The bug also wasn't realized by the devs immediately as players weren't fighting the boss until a few days in. Once it was realized it was fixed like any other bug, though this one unfortunately came with some baggage.

buffs and nerfs are only supposed to happen at the end of pvp seasons with prior notice and patch notes, and that will continue to be the plan forward. This wasn't done as a post launch nerf because shadow sania was "too strong". Making that clear. It was the original intention from launch as was seen in the boss description.

we will try our best to improve our communication and patch notes forward, and you will have to be patient right now, thank you.

direct people to the pin as ive been in this thread for over 2 hours going in circles and need to go enjoy my evening thanks.

c

[unkempt charm]

imagine the people that dont use discord tho? they are sat at home with zero fucking clue whats happening cause making patch notes is hard

[stuck delta]

shadow sania summons shadow sanias in pvp?

let him cook

[atomic sundial]

a guy probably tried to farm Aurora with his DoT team and was confused af

[chilly violet]

Rest well

[clear wadi]

ty!

[grizzled raptor]

dancingFrog
Heres a dancing frog guys

[past crystal]

[queen patrol]

[forest vector]

Tbf very few people are or should be trying to farm Aurora hell rn

[willow wraith]

why?

[prisma orbit]

gamers dont read so it dont matter anyways

[forest vector]

Cause it's not a good progression path. Doki first then terror then aurora.

[unkempt charm]

you aint killing doki without terror gear on your dps

[willow wraith]

i don't understand that coming from e7 plenty of people didnt farm wyvern

[steel ravine]

what if both modules that my dps should use is from there?

[upper flax]

cant even get near hell 4 on terror

[atomic yew]

this is just like not correct

[stuck delta]

im on doki hell 4 with 0 terror farmed

[atomic sundial]

yeah, it's hell 1 Terror -> hell Doki

[brave gate]

Doki is easier than terror for me

[atomic sundial]

whale?

[stuck delta]

and ive posted my 2 minute no rilmocha hell 4 doki farm

[upper flax]

where

[willow wraith]

the grey goat

[stuck delta]

yes but it was rebated into shadow sania dupes lmao

[forest vector]

I mean I'm killing hell iv already and I don't have a rimocha or a mio or any of the others ppl be using. You don't need that much DMG and hp runes can be bad

[atomic sundial]

Shadow Sania gate

[forest vector]

I didn't say you can't farm terror 1 or 2. Just like doki is the priority to get to iv on.

[willow wraith]

turn 2 players are literally an identity tho

[fallen scaffold]

what team

[stuck delta]

i had planned on farming aurora with dots tomorrow but thats a no go lmao

[atomic sundial]

it's a shame how the game's release would've been perfect without this issue

[brave gate]

False

[placid raft]

Main Issues:

-Changes to bosses from beta to live not included in patch notes (both to boss mechanics and stat changes)

-Were any other changes made that were not documented

-Players investing in units that were already niche and now have even less of a use with no way of knowing pre level 30

-DoT teams / playstyle are nearly useless now. Can be utilized in Terror but is out performed by Diting/Khloros still.

-Limited resets for those units (this should not be a limited event to begin with in my opinion, you are effectively punished for not pulling a bis unit day 1)

-Bosses are already extremely challenging, why are changes being made to them to increase difficulty 6 days in before most players even reach endgame?

-Game devs say they want diverse units and playstyles, but current boss difficulty limits viable teams to just 1–2. That's fine for challenge content, but not for daily farmable bosses.

[atomic sundial]

Other than minor bugs

[forest vector]

Sania Celince Rahu Gray freya

[fallen scaffold]

celince

[unkempt charm]

ok so we should just pull and build 2 niche units only good in 1 content got you 😒

[atomic sundial]

people who didn't start at server release will be behind + bosses with higher HP compared to day 1 players
like what's even the point, and I say it as someone from Server 1 who started day 1 and didn't make any other account

[stuck delta]

fwiw you can make a doki hell 4 farm with a bunch of different green units

just requires 6*ing gray

[forest vector]

I agree with everything but last point. Remember specific comps are needed for getting to hell iv less than a week after release we are really speerunning with 5stars and unbuilt units. More team comps will be viable with more investment.

[prisma orbit]

i think this is for pvp -Game devs say they want diverse units and playstyles, but current boss difficulty limits viable teams to just 1–2. That's fine for challenge content, but not for daily farmable bosses. tbh

[unkempt charm]

i clear doki h4 this isnt my point

[atomic sundial]

imagine a new players who will be behind and also have to fight harder bosses

[stuck delta]

then what does it matter, someone asked about the team...i said you can clear it with a bunch of diff teams?

[forest vector]

You should build whatever makes you able to farm hell iv yea. Cause if you're 35 and not farming red shells or hell iv stages your stamina is being poorly utilized from now on.

[steel ravine]

that is just not true, beta players had maxed units and still struggled to make multiple teams for inferno farm

[atomic sundial]

I'm day 1 btw, not saying it for me

but it's so bad for new players

[steel ravine]

this before the turn push nerf and hp boost by the way

[forest vector]

I was only talking about hell iv at this point.

[placid raft]

It shouldn't be so difficult that you need to build the same units as everyone else. Remember we are farming these bosses upwards of 100x a day. And a lot of these Hell 3-4 clears were done on manual.

[brave gate]

Wait it's the norm to be farming he'll IV at level 35?

[forest vector]

Idk about inferno it's not unlocked for another few days and I don't expect to farm it for a couple weeks.

[upper flax]

are any of u guys farming or reached Hell 4 terror?

[prisma orbit]

manual 1min each tho

[prisma orbit]

imi on hell 3 rn cant farm hell 4 the stat buff to terror makes it go first and i always die

[unkempt charm]

let me just magic convert the 2 million red skill mats from fangus rebait and dark ones from ssania into green ones to build this team oh wait you cant you need to spend 15 refresh farming green skill ups now

[steel ravine]

manual 1 minute is heaven for doki, most people are doing 5+ minutes on manual

literal brainrot

[prisma orbit]

doki? oh i meant terror

[forest vector]

No I think it's very difficult to do but it is the goal to get to hell iv as quickly as possible if you are really going at it. BC all non 3 non red are throwaways later (exceptions if insane subs on lower priority units)

[upper flax]

u mind if i dm u rq to show u my team for it ? (need advice)

[forest vector]

I have no idea what this has to do with what I said.

[stuck delta]

whats the spd req on terror 4 now?

240?

[placid raft]

with good rng. One resist from the boss and your run is chalked. Farmable content should not be that way.

[forest vector]

Valerion :p

[steel ravine]

people will just burnout, the decision to make the worst SSR LD unit into a useless unit just feels so wrong as a game design choice

I really don't get the thought process behind it

[late onyx]

they have to sell heinrich in some way

[unkempt charm]

you saying people should build the team that lets them farm hell which is what we did we made dot team now they made it useless so what happens to all the mats we used on skill ups for units of different colour that are now worthless and we need to go farm again for the new team

[stuck delta]

i get the thought process behind dots being strong, i dont get leaving it in the game

[brave gate]

Check pins

[placid raft]

I'm around $1k in and still dont have him 🥹

[forest vector]

It's one fight she's still good at terror and other pve content and potentially future content. I think dokidoki is still a less effective pull.

[steel ravine]

I don't buy it, I am sorry

[stuck delta]

dots should have just been scrapped on release

[steel ravine]

nothing personal with c

[west canyon]

still no news nice

[steel ravine]

massive change that opsie we forgot to mention on the patch notes and that we will "fix" 6 days into live

[stuck delta]

c kinda made it seem like days tbh

[steel ravine]

I would be mega fired if as a QA this happened on my company

[stuck delta]

something like "response takes time"

[clear wadi]

had my laptop open still and I didn't say that so please don't do that

[stuck delta]

unless i misinterpreted the way he wrote it

[forest vector]

Nothing in pins is not factually accurate and verifiable you can take issue with it or have an opinion against it but it's not refutable. Feedback is stronger if given honestly

[clear wadi]

and the bug wasn't realized on day 1 because it wasn't available yet

ill clarify that in the pin before I close discord

[steel ravine]

you test things in pre-production, is the whole reason my profession exists

[atomic sundial]

Guys remember C is just the messenger, out of the situation he's doing the most he can for the game and for us to have a good experience

[steel ravine]

it was two major issues, not mentioning it in the patch notes and not catching it on stagging

it is just odd

[unkempt charm]

ye next time they should have some sort of open beta test to check these things...... oh wait

[brave gate]

Tayx, are you usually playing games with 0 bugs post release?

[stuck delta]

i personally interpret that as give it some time (which for them is days)

[steel ravine]

games that let you spend infinite money yeah

usually

[brave gate]

Wow which games?

[stuck delta]

wordle

[atomic sundial]

Monopoly

[west canyon]

who invested into these units is bricked for days wit these resources wasted and they need days to revert the changes? hopefullt not

[terse cypress]

Calm down guys, c need to go and enjoy his evening

[stuck delta]

it doesnt sound like theyre interested in reverting either since this was intended to be at release

[terse cypress]

We need to be patent

[brave gate]

File your patents

[terse cypress]

After c got his enjoyable evening ofc

[forest vector]

I still think it shouldn't be reverted. Telling people the best way to progress is pull an ld is kinda bad. It's the easiest solution but personally I hope the devs find something more creative that still satisfies those affected.

[unkempt basin]

Just be patient they said
It would be fine they said

[atomic sundial]

there's a difference if people used money/resources for a team to clear something and then they just give it immunity to the damage those characters do even if it wasn't intended
still, we haven't seen their response yet so we can actually know what will happen

[scarlet folio]

People assumed dot worked because it did in beta, AND it did work in the official launch, and hotfix because it was bugged because they made it immune now but nothing was said. Not reading a skill is not concealment? Cant even read the skill on day 1 where u can already start building ur dot team in the background while progressing the game with Lian/Gray etc

[stuck delta]

ML arby

[forest vector]

Concealment is an action. Neglect can't be concealment. The terminology here is dishonest. It's fairly obvious this situation was accidental.

[atomic sundial]

I personally didn't build DoT so I'm safe but those who resetted their characters to build the entire DoT team should have compensation even if the team working for that boss wasn't intended

[candid scarab]

I think refunding all the pulls and resource spent on DOT units (both SR and SSR) is an acceptable compensation for this mistake.

[brave gate]

I wonder what % of the player base relies on dot teams

[unkempt charm]

i dont want the boss change reverted i do want a mail attached with the gem compensation i had to spend to reset 3 units and the skill books i used on them to be changed into selectors so i can build my team without being 1500 stam behind

[terse cypress]

Accidental or not, they need to be better communicators, that much we could agree upon right

[stuck delta]

im not gonna say its obvious, its only "obvious" because we are taking chris at his word

[deep pawn]

lol imagine if they shadow nerfed lily

[forest vector]

I'm out of resets cause I don't want to say why I'm impulsive :p

[waxen rain]

At the bare minimum they should give us more resets

[brave gate]

Riots

[forest vector]

I agree I just think we are in waiting mode at this point. No one is listening to posts this late.

[stuck delta]

like an account reset right?

[brave gate]

Life reset?

[waxen rain]

It's not late in the dev's time zone

[unkempt basin]

Atp if they deem it too powerful that dot can farm two types of module bosses, at least make it so they're usable in other endgame content

[waxen rain]

this is peak time for them

[terse cypress]

Yeah it's been 2 hours of C's time and time to enjoy the evening

[brave gate]

Shells?

[stuck delta]

wooo 2 shells

[unkempt basin]

Everyone and their mom can do them ntm sharon is immune

[unkempt charm]

people who live in eu can get account resets you just call you bank up and then XD lose thousands of £££

[forest vector]

This whole controversy could have been avoided if the devs just made an authentic waifu collector just saying.

[unkempt basin]

Esports game btw

Speedrunning EoS

They're competitive alright

[stuck delta]

i wont rest until ssania gets giga buffed

[forest vector]

If this were girls Frontline would anyone have even noticed the hotfix?

[brave gate]

So you want content that other people can't do? That dots can do?

[atomic sundial]

People's expectations:

Reality: 50 crystals and a pat

[unkempt charm]

about as competitivea game as WIsports no esports

[stuck delta]

yes...aurora

[brave gate]

Gotcha so that sounds like an impasse with the devs design good luck

[stuck delta]

correct, so just remove the dot characters

[atomic sundial]

the sport

[stuck delta]

accept that as a dev you dont like them

and remove them

[forest vector]

I think the only thing devs notice is : ppl are mad about x. I think they determine appropriate action internally and disregard specific feedback. At least that is the most logical.

[placid raft]

idk why they don't just make dots scale with atk and stop gatekeeping the mechanic from bosses.

[prisma orbit]

huh scale with atk?

[atomic sundial]

• "XD why did you also remove Diting if he isn't DoT"
• "Don't ask questions"

[brave gate]

Isn't the whole aspect of dots that they don't scale off attack?

[stuck delta]

like burn in e7

[forest vector]

Protect diting at all costs.

[prisma orbit]

that scales off of hp in sw

[atomic sundial]

protect Diting from the monster called XD

[placid raft]

Dots don't need to scale off of hp. They can scale off of atk like in HSR. The issue the devs have with dots rn is that they kill bosses due to %hp dmg

so why even have it in the game?

unless you're going to rework it

[stuck delta]

diting must die so that ssania can live

[brave gate]

Sw does it

[atomic sundial]

"Diting wasn't intented to have skills, as such we're removing all his skills and replacing them with +10 ATK"

[forest vector]

Tbf I think diting is incredible for terror but the aurora teams I've seen with him are slow AF I don't think they'll work in inferno I think you'll need actual multihit units.

[atomic sundial]

[unkempt charm]

they have a fucking dot that scales of attack in the game already its called burn..

[crystal pine]

People keep talking about diting like his a regular non LD

[stuck delta]

No matter where you sit on this, at the end of the day this was tone deaf at best.

[full pilot]

o hey we meet again

[forest vector]

I have him maxed and I only bought maybe 100 pulls total

[crystal pine]

❤️

[stuck delta]

They need a better pulse on their game and community.

[full pilot]

[crystal pine]

[atomic sundial]

no Diting after 400 pulls is crazy

[terse cypress]

If they also end up neerfing diting it's time to pack up

[atomic sundial]

do not the cat

[forest vector]

The issue is that if they didn't hotfix it right away more and more would have invested and the issue would be even bigger. I think they had to hotfix too quickly for proper localized notices and stuff. I think the bug is a huge blunder but I think the rest of this issue is complex and more difficult than people are making it out to be.

[stuck delta]

if my ssania sucks so does diting

[scarlet folio]

460 on my account still no Diting

[forest vector]

Reroll

[stuck delta]

i pulled prob 15 ditings

[scarlet folio]

No Diting No Viper who else hmm

[stuck delta]

and marvells

[atomic sundial]

He was indirectly nerfed with the terror HP increase since if he can't kill in 4 shots he's a cooked feline

[terse cypress]

Cope sir

[stuck delta]

yes, i want my beta dollars to mean something

other than a pve shitte

[terse cypress]

Honestly doe I don't even build diting but if they just nerf shit Willy nilly I'm heading out

[forest vector]

I am very anti Marvell for pve now. Maybe on floors where his s2 works but generally I think he doesn't do enough. He's a crutch for low eff accuracy ig

[stuck delta]

well they already did by adding terror hp lol

[late onyx]

by that logic isn’t that “nerf” to every other dps other than ssania

[atomic sundial]

that's the reason why I'm not ok with the Aurora hotfix even tho I didn't build any DoT unit
it's not about our characters it's about the precedent

[stuck delta]

honestly, even if they just made inferno immune to dots it wouldnt be the worst thing

[terse cypress]

I honestly just want to start shit so we get free resets

[stuck delta]

she would still be a shit LD

but a little less shit

[atomic sundial]

XD be like: 50 crystals and 1 reset

[forest vector]

I think diting needs to remain ssr in terms of damage bc that's his entire kit. He literally doesn't have anything else you cant count his 30% vulnerable he's not going to have eff acc. He should have more single target than any ssr unless an ssr is similar imo (like khloros)

SR should be niche not bad there's a difference.

[unkempt basin]

I'll take a ssania skin

[stuck delta]

except hes not niche lol

hes used in like everything

[atomic sundial]

make ssania mean summer sania?

[full pilot]

Summer victor when?

[terse cypress]

Yea summer Sania cause there's only one important Sania in the game

[forest vector]

He's pretty niche the pvp util will fall of people just using him cause it's one of 6 or 7 they have semi built. He's literally just big damage. And I don't think he will be good for aurora inferno he doesn't help resolve her gimmick. Terrors gimmick is kill it quick he's more aligned to it

[pine jasper]

damn no response?

[atomic sundial]

why do NicoNana drops feel worse mmh

I mean, I farmed it all already and was just wasting some stamina, but still

[forest vector]

I am expecting if we get response or w/e it will be around reset like 5 hours from now or we

[terse cypress]

Check pin, Tl Dr: c spent 2 hours on this post and need to go enjoy his evening

[deep pawn]

everyone was calling ssania the worst LD unit and pointing and laughing at her. first they nerf normal sania's healing, then this nerf. and lore wise she suffers in-game with experiments being done on her or whatever. girl can't catch a break.

[atomic sundial]

I have the theory a dev hates her but don't @ me on it

[stuck delta]

he doesnt even need pvp util, hes clearing a ridiculous amount of nearly end game (currently) content

its an SR

[forest vector]

There's actually a decent chance people come up with way better strategies for pve progression. These games tend to have strats fly under the radar for months or years.

[stuck delta]

it should be good at like 1 or 2 things

like shell farming or something

not union boss, shell farming, terror, etc all top speeds of like 15 seconds in shells

[forest vector]

Yea but inferno probably changes everything. And like the tower hard mode probably not super useful except ,maybe 5% of floors

Yea but inferno probably changes everything. And like the tower hard mode probably not super useful except ,maybe 5% of floors

[stuck delta]

who cares if inferno changes everything, you get a disgusting amount of huge power ups from hell 4 and inferno shells

farming hell 4 allows you to get to 12 12 breakpoint

[forest vector]

I mean talk to me in a couple weeks I guarantee you everyone will be sweating and obsessing over inferno.

[stuck delta]

well of course they will but you dont get there without hell 4 breakpoint

of which he trivializes, in addition to other things

for an SR investment

[pine jasper]

we all lack the ressources so its hard to even try new teams right now after the buffs

[stuck delta]

hes literally no different than dots, other than hes less investment and easier to get which you can argue is even worse for the game than dots

[forest vector]

I think a shocking number of units will be able to rival diting when people start getting crit rate out of subs. Diting is just a shortcut to crit damage that we can't access yet bc all our gear absolutely sucks.

[stuck delta]

so he trivializes content like dots

got it

[forest vector]

I think diting will still top damage but it will be by like 15 or 20 percent from other sr damage dealers

I mean he's not even the most op sr. Let's talk val...

[stuck delta]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[ashen token]

Nobody will admit this because they don’t want him to get nerfed lmao. He’s single handedly killing the game. You can’t even contest in PvP right now because everyone is farming hell 4 and getting better gear in the first week of the game because of one character. Instead of them just nerfing that ONE CHARACTER they buff bosses and “fix” bugs. Wtf kind of sense is that making?

[waxen rain]

The bottom line is decisions were made with time, money and in game investment based on the available game knowledge given. Then that was changed in an instant undermining those investments. There needs to be compensation that gives us those things back. AKA more resets or something similar. Everything else being discussed here doesn't matter.

[atomic sundial]

it won't kill the game, new characters release in 3 days and everyone will be hyped for them if they don't screw this up

[unkempt basin]

Bruh at least make an announcement that you're aware of the situation

If it's gonna take a long time to fix at least acknowledge

[stuck delta]

i dont think its killing the game but i do think people are acting like its not an issue because they know its broken

[deep pawn]

nerf diting so i don't have to invest resources into him lol

[stuck delta]

and theyre abusing tf out of it while they can

[atomic sundial]

there's no nerf in Ba Sing Se

[forest vector]

Bro you could literally build the wind samurai that literally no one had above level 1 and you'd be under like idk 15% DMG maybe. He has guaranteed crit hit so you just dump all in crit damage 10 vrot rate or we it wouldn't be extremely far off same concept of skipping gear requirements.

[atomic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-6037055492951935036

[forest vector]

Ofc he will be bad when we can get crit rate out of subs.

[stuck delta]

youre trying so hard to act like hes not OP lmao

[late onyx]

tsutomu has literally the worst bulk in the game

[forest vector]

To be clear I'm not saying build tsutomu I'm just saying his damage at this point would not be crazy far off just looking at mods and basic math.

Might be higher bc if you just plus 15 crit damage on everything that's a lot more than you'd get off crit rate and crit damage if you have no subs.

[atomic sundial]

am I the only one who wants to reset Rilmocha just because she's a rat?

[ashen token]

It won’t kill the game when one SR unit can destroy all of the content in seconds lmao. Are you understanding how that sounds? He’s on par to be better than every dps in the game L/D units included with cheaper investment. As I said instead of them nerfing him like they did victor they made the bosses harder which makes no sense because people are still clearing in 10 seconds. That quite literally destroys a game when it’s either build this unit or the game is unplayable.

[forest vector]

I think diting and Victor shouldn't have grown so far apart but I think diting is at a good level. He's a crutch but properly built can still be used in a speed clear.

[late onyx]

hey, they buffed khloros multipliers by 20%

I was wondering what they were thinking

it was just an appropiate change for hp inflation

[minor crown]

yer a rat

[forest vector]

I think almost all balance patch logic will be based around pvp. Khloros is not great at pvp imo.

[atomic sundial]

believe it or not but lower rarity/free characters being good tends to be good for games, especially for PVE and he won't last in PVP
look at some of the E7 clears

[late onyx]

I would disagree

[stuck delta]

correct, now make my fucking LD bananas at pvp lol

[forest vector]

Idk why they'd buff or nerf SR for pve. It's piss people off cause their farms would break and if they need to make content easier just make new sr.

[proud dew]

then they should nerf the bosses, it's either him or dot for terror hell IV btw hard to clear any other way, the problem is the content is way too hard and only 1-2 comps can clear rn, the point is the pvp RTA endgame

[winter prawn]

yeah for sure idk how this became a diting complaining thread

[proud dew]

you need for some SR to be good and able to clear otherwise 90% of people are gonna be gatekept forever from hell III+
the problem is the content is too hard

if this was the endgame would be fine but it's supposed to be something you farm a lot for PVP

[ashen token]

That’s my point. They buffed the bosses just for the same character to clear it in 10 seconds. Idk what’s so hard to understand about that. They should’ve needed his damage instead of bufffing the bosses.

[scarlet folio]

They nerfed DOT because they dont want people clearing stages using 1 team. Meanwhile aside from DOT its all Lily Heinrich Massiah/Diting + supports

[deep pawn]

lol "cheese"

why even have dot in the game

ffs

[scarlet folio]

We are only less than a week mate, we will get better modules, shells, skill ups, 6star units, as time goes by. Dont expect to clear all end game contents fast and easy all of a sudden. Its a grind

[stuck delta]

thats why i keep saying remove the dot characters and give random pulls equal to the unit that was removed

just take dot out since they hate it so much

[forest vector]

The difference is mass is not optimal for any content he's just jack of all trades. Sania was set to be like the most optimal fastest and safest speed clear in everything with no investment whatsoever. Mass players are having more trouble in doki than rilmocha users for instance.

[spiral wedge]

never heard that from a messiah player

they r just swinging their meat sword around

at least thats what my friends say

[forest vector]

Rilmocha is damage plus resolving the gimmick for your other units. Mass is all damage comes from s3 from Mass. It's gonna be rough in inferno if that's your team. You'd need really good gear if it's possible.

Also damage dealer in element going to be a lot tankier and more damage.

[weak basin]

Wait a min... Grandy is legit using the same 5 char in every dungeon lmfao

That's amazing

[forest vector]

I do think he's a massive early to mid game boost worth using to cheese everything for sure tho

[gritty notch]

Did the CM make any announcement yet or still nothing?

[forest vector]

No just messages from moderator confirming they're aware it's not being ignored.

Pins is everything we know.

[weak basin]

We will just have to look at grandy in a few days

[gritty notch]

Noted

[stuck delta]

he bought out everything basically lol

bro had like 300 speed 3 days ago

maybe 2

[novel imp]

In the pins just says that they are sorry not announcing it in the patch notes and nothing else, they aren't looking into it or planning to do anything about it.

[placid raft]

That was just C doing damage control, he's not like speaking on behalf of the devs or XD. He's waiting to see what their response will be as well.

He was basically just trying to put out the fire the best he could with no real information yet.

[novel imp]

From customer service got the same answer, it was a bug and nothing can be done about it bcs it was always intended to work like that

[weak basin]

Kinda funny that the name is XD. I can't wait for colon D studios

[placid raft]

For how many people are angry and how many chargebacks are happening I think they'll do something but I hope they at least make a statement soon because this whole thing is messed up.

[willow wraith]

yeah i mean on videos about this people are pretty pissed

[prisma orbit]

people already chargbacking?

[weak basin]

Cause shadow sania is bricking a lot of accounts now

[brave gate]

A lot of people have shadow sania?

[prisma orbit]

lol if they fix it ur banned anyways cuz u charged backed

[vast comet]

Tldr whatre we talking about

[weak basin]

I would assume since the Aurora boss fix wasn't in a patch notes which a lot focused in since she worked in beta

[placid raft]

Yep, this whole thread has been people crashing out. And tbh had I built SSania I'd be debating it too. That on top of adjusting boss mechanics / stats and not including it in patch notes, people are just over the shady behavior.

[weak basin]

Look at replay

[vestal cape]

How does on charge back

[brave gate]

That's not a lot of people though?

[weak basin]

Idk I look at chat and I see a lot of ssania accounts

[placid raft]

Clearly a lot of people have shadow sania or this thread wouldnt have almost 5k comments...

[brave gate]

How many is a lot to you?

[hollow iris]

yea, the pve in this game isn't fun. Lots of ways to brick yourself. Then shadow changes on top was a straw on camels back deal for me. My bank has a 30 day processing time so i got it started early and can cancel if the response is good. Otherwise fuck it.

[placid raft]

That doesn't matter. it seems like you're just trying to be irritating.

[brave gate]

Hmm OK thanks

[prisma orbit]

u can cancel a chargeback?

[vestal cape]

What do you say to the bank you got scammed?

I never done it befor

[hollow iris]

if it hasnt been processed

[weak basin]

Why is bro trying to play semantics

[brave gate]

I thought shadow Sania was rare?

[dreamy oak]

denial and sunk cost I guess

[weak basin]

No, she isnt

[brave gate]

Ahh ok

[hollow iris]

The electronic good was not what was expected and included false advertising. The merchant was already contacted and uncooperative (send a ticket in game and screenshot for proof that an attempt was made) They don't really ask for specifics from there.

[vestal cape]

Alright thanks much appreciated

[weak basin]

But how can I charge back my time

[forest vector]

Tbf im sure 90% was from 10%. And like I've posted here i don't have her I just think it's an interesting discussion.

[brave gate]

So basically no character is rare? When I check rates shadow Sania seems to have same rate as all the
L and Ds. Am I confused?

[weak basin]

Yep

[vestal cape]

I just don't understand why they changed it so much from final cbt yes things were op and I expected a slight tune down

[weak basin]

It's the same rate

[atomic sundial]

What is this chat even talking about now 😭

[hollow iris]

There main concerns are 1) was this a physical good and are you in possession of it (cleared when i explained its electronic). 2) Did you first try to resolve with the merchant

[atomic sundial]

Maybe c was right with closing the thread

[forest vector]

She is rare I'm the sense that she is an ld with no targeted banner. LD banners are limited you can't pull w crystals so even krakens might not have bc they'd have to go to the regular banner and $5000 is not a guarantee.

[hollow iris]

try to give 48hrs from your support ticket (i already sent one a couple days ago about various things)

[forest vector]

IMO this thread is worthless at this point but locking controversy tthreads generally is probably unwise just my opinion. It makes people think the devs aren't open to criticism.

[inland osprey]

Do we have any patch notes about these changes? feel like thats the bigger concern if they are just changing things with no notice/listing what has been changed.

[hollow iris]

At the very least It serves as a containment thread so it isnt in the main chats

[weak basin]

For Aurora? No

[placid raft]

No it was not included in patch notes, that's part of why people are so upset.

[weak basin]

For terror they said nothing changed

[forest vector]

No it was a one statement bullet point. But, if some people said some other minor changes were made idk what or why but not enough for people to really notice.

[inland osprey]

Did they change marvel as well? somoene said cd was increased

[brave gate]

#announcement message

[hollow iris]

that was a nerf post beta pre launch people fine with that 1

His speed got shadow nerfed tho

during hotfix

[forest vector]

I do kinda feel bad I think their communication isn't the best and they've made mistakes but also twice now the community kinda distorted the facts

[granite narwhal]

keeping quiet and being vague about the dupes and now hiding so many shadow changes from their patch notes and passing it off as a bugfix (which a proper dev would include in notes anyway) - terrible red flags

[placid raft]

This is just them stating it was a bug fix for Aurora. The issue is them adding a mechanic where she is immune to DoT damage on live which did not exist during the beta and was not in the pre-patch patch notes.

[granite narwhal]

and i get timed out for saying theyre lying to us

lol just shows

[civic stag]

They buffed terror's hp slightly

[brave gate]

He mentioned them not listing the change I was showing him they did mention the change that's all.

[forest vector]

You got timed out bc you were rude. Idr your message exactly but it wasn't like genuine pleasant discussion. Also it's factually verifiable what he said he didn't lie about anything.

[hollow iris]

The fact is they were either malicious or incompetent. Most people give the benefit of the doubt that who they're dealing with isnt a moron.

[placid raft]

But I don't think you're understanding the change that's being referenced here. The change isn't the bug fix, the change is a completely additional mechanic that was not present during beta and was never included in the patch notes leading up to launch.

[hollow iris]

How do they not follow the content creator marketing they themselves were promoting

[granite narwhal]

we can debate the semantics on what lying means all day

just because you believe it doesnt mean everyone has the same opinion

[hollow iris]

How do they not think that this hotfix was gonna blow up

[brave gate]

What? He asked if they listed the fix to aurora. In the announcements they mentioned the fix to aurora.

[forest vector]

I am not the one abusing semantics lol use whatever word you want, it is verifiable that the skill description was changed and it was intended for dot to not function on the full release.

[inland osprey]

End of they day they changed numbers in something people have mathed out, without telling anyone they were / had changed things. Big red flag especially since its so early on.
Ideally they should be giving detail in changes so people are at least able to react (generally why we have patch notes)

[hollow iris]

On top of that the game is frankly unfun in PVE why is farming gear a big hurdle lmao

[weak basin]

They were discussing adding dot doesn't apply which was never in a patch notes and could only be found at level 30 on launch

[hollow iris]

I liked the pve with the team restrictors and i get things like ember trek being more difficult

[brave gate]

Yes 👍

[hollow iris]

This thread wouldn't have blown up if farming was fun and fast to begin with

[brave gate]

Should people already be at at inferno in your opinion?

[forest vector]

Idk Im the opposite it was too fast today I'm out of stamina.

[granite narwhal]

agree, a lot of the dungeons are just stat checks (one shot by Terror anyone) or if you have some of the OP units (Lily, Diting)

[deep pawn]

what? u don't like spending 3 hours to burn all your stamina?

[placid raft]

Depends on what your setup looks like. But for someone like me who has spent around $1k, has full red gear, 12/8 sets, red shells, and meta units. yes, farming Hell4 should be easy. But it is not.
Edit: So imagine the experience f2p is going to have with limited rosters and less resources

[inland osprey]

If people end up spending days 0 progress you drop players. you need to keep people moving forward

[forest vector]

If you mean hell iv it seems like most people pushing hard are struggling on doki hell iv and some barely getting through. Very few were just running it easy

[inland osprey]

especially since its marketed at pvp. just make end farm more technical if anything

People being punished are the slower/casual playerbase

[brave gate]

Right but we are how many days in?

[hollow iris]

if they did their stam refreshes have red gear from hell and red mods why not yea

[frail cape]

Yep, I came here 100% for pvp and I'm spending most of my time suffering through pve

If they want it to be a pve game, fine, but this is not what a lot of people signed up for

[hollow iris]

Red shells i mean

[brave gate]

I see some people just want to skip pve, no solution there from me

[weak basin]

They should just copy summoners war's patch notes

[hollow iris]

Farming isn't where the challenge modes should be.

[forest vector]

I don't actually think spending helps that much rn. We don't have gear to build units you can pull whoever you want if they're not good at doki you're in the same boat.

You could make an argument for shadowprint or lattices but if you were really focused on doki you have enough for your core units that need it as f2p. More is slight advantage but no huge.

[inland osprey]

You just make the difficulty less of a curve and if anything just gate it more on lvl than difficulty

[hollow iris]

Thats for shit like ember trek

[placid raft]

Spending helps in the sense of having a wider roster. If you're missing core units for killing bosses you're going to be in a rough spot and you only get 1 selector. I've spent this much and still don't have Hein.

[brave gate]

Hmm I feel there will be people for and against these cases

[placid raft]

it also gives more lattices etc

[hollow iris]

Or that mode where you get restricted on elements u can use

[forest vector]

If you select summon rilmocha and targeted banner Freya idk that's like the best team with sr units.

Lingluo maybe but we getting her tomorrow

[uneven pine]

I appreciate this response. Thank you for consolidating your thoughts into one message. I've forwarded it to the Etheria Restart communities I'm part of.

That said, please forward to the dev team the urgency of this. Earlier you said you think it's not as big of a fiasco the dupes in RTA issue was. I disagree, and judging by the activity of this thread and the threads on reddit (it's currently flooded with post after post in outrage about this), the majority of the community does as well.

[waxen rain]

^

[hollow iris]

Hell is appropriately named i guess, turned me off the game pretty well.

[prisma orbit]

give em time china just woke up 5 hrs ago

[hollow iris]

Shit, i'd adore challenge pve modes and having to build units to tackle challenges, but not for my freaking farming

[minor crown]

[forest vector]

Just remember we still have many 5stars missing lattices no gear getting lingluo tomorrow, and despite the betas I guarantee many comps flying under the radar RN everyones advice is based on their experience and people who played all the betas have regrets.

[brave gate]

So how would farming look like for you?

[deep wedge]

cant even try out stuff without getting hit by -1 stamina

[placid raft]

Yeah I'm all for challenge modes, I think that sounds fun. But something I need to farm 100x a day for rng gear has no business being this challenging. The auto farm feature exists for a reason.

[forest vector]

1 week hell iv is a hell of an accomplishment. That's like gb10 1 week in summoners war.

[prisma orbit]

games 5 days old and u already want to farm end game gear nice

[placid raft]

It wasn't on beta though, was clearing Hell4 easily on beta and was having a much more enjoyable time lol. So idk why they made things more difficult for live.

[brave gate]

This is what I'm confused on

[frail cape]

I really don't get why people compare this game to other games. If those games were great and the gold standard, we'd be playing them

[prisma orbit]

beta was only 2 weeks long, live is forever untill eos weeks long

its not a sprint

[frail cape]

We're playing this bc we don't like those games and don't want a clone of them

[prisma orbit]

its a marathon

[inland osprey]

Progressing farming is arbitrary just to give sense of progression / dopamine as you get stronger. Most players don't care for it and just do whatever they need to stop wasting time on it.

[hollow iris]

My S2S4S5 Mass with Lily, Kraken S1S4S5 and a sania S1S1S3 cant clear hell 3 consistently let alone 4. Ling will prob unbrick this team but what the hell.

[placid raft]

Yes, because people already have endgame gear. So they should be able to farm the same bosses that drop endgame gear lol.

[hollow iris]

doesnt feel good or fun

[brave gate]

Agree to disagree

[forest vector]

Maybe the felt progression was too quick. Progression maybe it's stressful but when it's over you might be bored when you just turn on the game run your stamina turn off. This is fun gameplay for me honestly I don't want to be done with it for another couple weeks.

[prisma orbit]

we dont tho, we dont have inferno gear

[inland osprey]

Generally the marathon part is getting the correct gear rolls/substats/matrix etc

[placid raft]

All we're missing is the 6/6 sets. Most people have 12/8 sets now. Red sets, red shells. That is endgame gear.

[hollow iris]

there is no "want to" people are doing it

[forest vector]

I can almost auto with Celince Rahu Sonia Freya Gray. Kinda had to use what I pulled never got a good AOE damager and I didn't think sleep girl was adequate.

[frail cape]

Inferno is end game, we're not at end game yet

[hollow iris]

and those who made "mistakes" on who to lattice and dont have resets, get fucked

[uneven pine]

The change was healthy for the game. The issue is the piss poor communication. It comes across as out of touch and inconsiderate.

[prisma orbit]

shoulda used them smartly

[prisma orbit]

i agree

[forest vector]

Wdym I just used all 5 resets

[hollow iris]

This is a game, its supposed to be fun. Whats fun about letting people brick themselves?

[prisma orbit]

all games u can get bricked tho?

[forest vector]

I reset gray for kloss then reset kloss back to gray.

No mistakes were made just crystals vanished.

[hollow iris]

Not true, was never bricked in old school gacha like FGO or new casual schools like wuwa/hsr

[inland osprey]

The issue is how easy it is to 🧱 given you need so many units/ you have to pull those units, you need different units to farm gear for those units etc. lol

[brave gate]

Are you saying resets should be free?

[hollow iris]

at least unlimited if not free

[inland osprey]

Could just have fixed gem cost like some games have

[prisma orbit]

u can, sell all your gear ez pz

[forest vector]

Learning that non hoyoverse games arent just story and have actual gameplay.

Modern gamers hate games

[hollow iris]

ignoring the part i explicitly called those casual games and mentioned old school games

fucking gaslighting ass

[forest vector]

No I replied to the post before that.

[hollow iris]

theres a difference between intentionally doing something rediculous and just playing the game normally but oops nope ur units cant clear farming content

[rigid meteor]

Shadow sania still a waifu

[inland osprey]

Issue is without following a guide which in itself is not really playing. how do your learn from trial and error when if you make a mistake your down a week of gameplay lol. YOu cant even mock battle etc.

[hollow iris]

The hell is fun about gating farming blocked off

[forest vector]

If it's stressful and not fun to try and stay on top of things rn just stop trying and play casually. 1yr from now it won't matter if you were doing hell iv week 1 or week 3.

[hollow iris]

that isnt fun

[brave gate]

They're got to beat the game yesterday

[civic stag]

Most of the players with built dot team are whales yk

[inland osprey]

Problem with competitive game is you wait a year and your a year behind lol. Feels terrible

[forest vector]

Like I said I went through 5 resets burning crystals trying to get hell iv bc I didn't pull rilmocha or mio. I'm having fun. So idk different people like different things ig.

[civic stag]

They paid to get ahead and now you're saying they need to be casual

[deep wedge]

bold of you assume this game will last 1 year with the things are going 💀

[hollow iris]

people literally were yesterday.

Hell 4 clears existed

[stable cape]

So much complaints about difficulty when its only been 6 days lmao

[hollow iris]

Just ay, u invested wrong? Get fucked.

[inland osprey]

complaints more that they didnt have patch notes an just changed things but yeah thats a tangent that its unfun lol

[forest vector]

Summoners war longest running successful gacha and this is the first actual competitor outside of e7 which I think was very budget and unapproachable imo

[hollow iris]

And now u invested right? Shadow sania? Get fucked to

[civic stag]

After 7 betas btw

[brave gate]

Same thought from me, perhaps this is just the norm now in gaming

[stable cape]

Why would they owe us a patch note? "Oh btw guys we made shit harder so ur beta strats are now useless lol" yall would still complain anyways

[hollow iris]

its artifical gatekeeping of progression difficulty not fun challenge difficulty

[stable cape]

SIX DAYS BRO

SIX

IT HASNT EVEN BEEN A WEEK

[inland osprey]

Because they changed numbers in a number game lo.l. They changed more than just what was vaugely mentioned in the announcement too.

[hollow iris]

PEOPLE CLEARED IN FIVE BRO

FIVE

[stable cape]

I ALR DID 😭

WITH LVL 20 SHELLS

WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE CRYING ABOUT

[brave gate]

How does one differentiate artifical from natural gatekeepers? If a boss has any immunity to anything is that artifical gatekeeping?

[forest vector]

There is no shame in being a week 2 hell iv grinder.

[inland osprey]

Imagine they just remove 20speed from someone without saying anything who needs patch notes

[silver scaffold]

holy almost 5k messages

[stable cape]

Who did they do that to?

[atomic sundial]

Okay "fixing" the DoT bug because it wasn't intended
But why is no one talking about how they admitted to have increased the bosses' HP?

[placid raft]

I see the shills woke up.

[stable cape]

Im purely speaking for Terror and other bosses

[inland osprey]

Its an example of how the current situation is a problem.
aparantly they reduced marvels speed but idk

[wicked warren]

They paid steamer and youtubers to advertise their game and build startegy. Then they lead people to invest in team such as DOT from the begenning, to fucking shadow nerf that after all??

[forest vector]

If you're behind the top .1% of players you're still ahead of 99.9% it's ok.

[stable cape]

bro we all knew this??? 😭

[past crystal]

[hollow iris]

Tldr this thread wouldnt even be a thing if farming was easy and fun. If you invested wrong you get fucked, if you invested right (shadow sania) also get fucked not intended

[stable cape]

They just want shit handed bro

Its HELL in the name 😭

[civic stag]

If they pull this sht this early in the game and you just suck it up imagine what they'll do later

[brave gate]

Fun isn't always easy imo

[stable cape]

"Oh I cant clear Hell and im so behind Imma blame the devs"

6 days btw

[hollow iris]

Farming is not supposed to be the challenge content its artificial gatekeeping

[stable cape]

This would be valid if it hasnt been 6 days

What the hell are u expecting

6 days bro

[placid raft]

You realize people played multiple betas right? This progression feels significantly worse than those. They inflated numbers to try and drag out peoples progression and make things more tedious than they need to be. The focus of this game is the pvp but everyone is stuck dumping resources into PvE units just to try and farm gear which you have to manual and still probably fail. That is not fun when you are expected to clear these dungeons 100x a day

[stable cape]

Come back in a month and lets see if u still cant clear Hell 4

[pine jasper]

6 days is nothing and to add to it all the CCs did the hell/Inferno runs on test server with max skills and gear

[deep wedge]

people that defend shitty devs are reason global servers always get shafted while cn and kr get what they want 💀

[tired gust]

mfs pretending sania dot team is overpowerd and requires no investment at all. no lattices, no shells, no modules, etc, except that's a lie because you'll get one shot anyways. not to mention having to build a stripper and 2 other sr dots with their lattices. meanwhile Lily is actually good in all content

[placid raft]

If it's not supposed to be farmed in 6 days it should not be unlocked in 6 days

[hollow iris]

If following natural progression cant clear it, its artificial. Theres no reason a unlatticed 6 stat rilm with best in slot teammates should be gated from clearing hell 4 doki

[deep wedge]

shill more for multi million companies

[forest vector]

Idk about inferno but I rate hell iv progression experience 10\10 idk what to tell you

[stable cape]

Yeah bro because the beta was barely 2 weeks and people progressed too fast, how is that even good? Stop living in the past dude and live with the game you got

[brave gate]

I recall the sentiment that they felt people were progressing too quickly. Wouldn't this be the natural outcome?

[civic stag]

And people still defend them for that lol

[past crystal]

[hollow iris]

u keep saying 6 days people have been clearing it since day 4

[warm canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

[stable cape]

Yeah let me know what kind of people those are

Oh right SWIPERS

WHAT A SHOCKER

😭

[placid raft]

The bootlickers are insane in this comment section now jesus. "Its fine if they made changes they didnt include in the patch notes hehe" "I don't mind having information withheld from me that bricks my account hehe"

[hollow iris]

But if u have the same investment as those day 4 players even as a swiper but put it in the wrong place ur fucked

[pine jasper]

who defends them for this? Everyone agress here they fuckd up and should compensate but some ppl here want to beat the game in 5 days.

[warm canyon]

f2p's cleared inferno with dot teams on day 7

wtf u talkin about

[stable cape]

Why would they have the same invesment as a swiper on day 4, the swipers would be ahead 😭

[hollow iris]

Im talking swipers can get bricked on day 4

its only gonna be worse for non swipers

[past crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/dora-dora-the-explorer-boots-oh-man-oh-mannnn-gif-5485872

[stable cape]

Not necessarily, thats what reconfig is for no?

[tired gust]

(un)paid actors like @forest vector gonna make it it to where they don't properly resolve this issue. dilluting this thread by defending this garbage

[placid raft]

Sure if it wasn't limited.

[hollow iris]

people can waste the event, it aint unlimited

[stable cape]

Whos fault is that LMAO

Fuck are we blaming devs for peoples decisions to reconfig

[hollow iris]

the developers for intentionally being mean spirited in their game design?

[warm canyon]

we are blaming devs for shadow buffing and shadow nerfing units alongside it aswell

[hollow iris]

it was discussed a ton already

[stable cape]

In what way bro? they made shit harder to progress? 😭

[hollow iris]

this been a long thread

[placid raft]

This is what I'm talking about. how is anyone defending them right now? I swear anyone defending the devs or the pve right now has to be lvl 20 and clueless

[past crystal]

[stable cape]

[hollow iris]

No guys, its really fun to manually play a 5 minute battle every 10 stamina

really great balance

[spice radish]

I have to change the Tittle and ADD Doki Doki, it seems Monster tank more and have more Dmg

[stable cape]

If u cant auto shit, just do the previous stage dude 😭

[inland osprey]

love how small irrelevant changes are few %

[tired gust]

dot intended to not be used for aurora just how i intend to refund my purchases

[civic stag]

Oh man 🤣

[forest vector]

Guys I'm not rank 1 my account is bricked.

[brave gate]

"Why do people expect to be at end game in 6 days?"

"Stop defending the devs!"

[hollow iris]

i sure love exaggerating valid complaints it doesn't make me look like a piece of shit at all

fuck u kesyn bootlicker

[inland osprey]

Tbh lots of games lately are trashing the player-base so its a pattern people pick up on quickly these days, then everyones like naaah they are different

[atomic sundial]

the same way "dupes weren't important for RTA" meant +10% dmg done and -10% dmg taken

[hollow iris]

People ARE at end game in 6 days, one of the end game teams incase u havent noticed just got nerfed and spawned this thread

[brave gate]

This just proves the point no?

[warm canyon]

this spawned the thread

[hollow iris]

Proves the point that the pve isnt fun

[placid raft]

That's why I'm saying anyone who is defending this right now saying "its only day 6" is not even at endgame and is just completely effing clueless

[forest vector]

I'm farming those same stages with freaking Rahu and gray for damage idk what to tell you man make better choices one unit shouldn't brick your account.

[stable cape]

Its kinda funny considering this can all be fixed with Rosa, SR Sania and a Free LingLuo

[brave gate]

People already at end game in 6 days proves that pve isn't fun?

[hollow iris]

If it was fun and balanced the sania players would be upset but this thread wouldnt have blown up

[hollow iris]

this thread proves it, reading comprehension and context ffs

[warm canyon]

it's kinda funny how some ppl dont have a rosa right? what a shocker not everyone pulled her or ril to pick the other for other content to be farmable

[inland osprey]

If devs dropped a patch note for all changes this thread probably wouldn't exist to the same degree

[stable cape]

Guaranteed banner existed btw

[tired gust]

people are at endgame in 6 days or whatever, so they punish the player instead of taking responsibility for the game they coded. game devs surprised when gamers are gaming their game.

[warm canyon]

thats what ril was used for in my case

[stable cape]

So why are u complaining lmao

Thats ur problem

[placid raft]

you gonna select rosa and ril on your selector you shill? Jesus christ.

[stable cape]

U made that choice

The game wont give u everything

[warm canyon]

cuz i resetted 3 chars to invest it in DoT?

[hollow iris]

and yours is that you would swallow shit and say it was a gourmet meal

[warm canyon]

and 2 hours later they shadow buff the boss?

[forest vector]

Bro I don't even know what your complaint is you're just mad bc you aren't rank 1 and blaming the devs. Even if game reset and I pulled shadow Sania and started new I wouldn't build shadow Sania at this stage i'd just be focused on dokidoki.

[stable cape]

For this I do feel bad for DOT players

But outside of that

I dont

[hollow iris]

when the fuck have i talked about rank 1 you gaslighting piece of shit

[brave gate]

"Farming should be easy and fun" 😂

[placid raft]

Why are you warping peoples complaints and defending this so much? It's actually insane. No one has mentioned rank 1 other than you. People just don't want farming to be a chore.

[forest vector]

Ok man if you're trolling trolls aren't supposed to lose their cool if you're not idk I'm not your therapist.

[stable cape]

Farming wont be a chore like in a week or 2 bro 😭

[split linden]

Mute kesyn guys👍

[warm canyon]

thats the whole point of the thread tho? they fucked us so hard that some ppl's accs are bricked

[placid raft]

Yes it will because there is nothing else we will have in a week that we don't already have now. People have red sets, red shells, decked out teams. What don't you understand about that?

[stable cape]

I want you to clarify on what exactly ur fucked BESIDES AURORA

[atomic sundial]

It didn't affect me but it's still a bad precedent

[stable cape]

Cuz I didnt dive deep too much on the DOT

[brave gate]

Agreed, I think the problem is this has deviated into two different topics. The DOT players did get hit hard no doubt.

[warm canyon]

i wouldn't mind these changes if they communicated it properly and not add them over night "fix"

[inland osprey]

Devs fucked the players trust 🤔

[stable cape]

I just know they fucked up aurora for them

[hollow iris]

terrormaton to for many

[stable cape]

How

[hollow iris]

they shadow buffed him

[tired gust]

HOW do they make an LD character so bad. I bet they'd never make a rate up for her, they wouldn't make enough money. SSania is a unit you luckily unluckily get and cope yourself into building because she's at least good at clearing aurora-wait nvm

[stable cape]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[split linden]

^

[brave gate]

That's not dot specific though

[stable cape]

Ok bro

[foggy cliff]

Supposedly buffed it's HP so Ditings can't kill it anymore

[hollow iris]

Still terrible

[inland osprey]

this one didnt have any notes just happened. kinda an issue yeah

[atomic sundial]

some people resetted their characters for the DoT team since it was good for two bosses and now they nerfed it

[stable cape]

Just cause terrormaton got shadowbuffed doesnt mean its a DOT nerf bro, its called making shit harder 😭

[warm canyon]

on terror they buffed hp and atk, my clear comp on hell3 can't even get past 50% now for example and i manual it

this for example

[stable cape]

If Terror got buffed ITS NOT ONLY A NERF FOR DOT

[warm canyon]

then again aurora straight up immune to dot so

[foggy cliff]

Tbf this thread title is Shadowbuff Terror

[placid raft]

It's literally in this thread's title why are you laughing? It's part of what this entire thread is here for. About to mute you too.

[hollow iris]

why are they making FARMING harder

[novel flame]

read title maybe

[hollow iris]

its not like im saying we should clear this with +6 unique mods

[tired gust]

go troll somewhere else

[forest vector]

Its still that the blunder is actually just having the glitch in the first place the actual game design long term shouldn't take a permanent hit for this.

[stable cape]

Yeah bro Im just laughing cuz I wanted clarification 😭

[hollow iris]

im talking +15 reds with +15 red shells

[atomic sundial]

you should record the new clear with the old clear proof so people can see how bad it is

[placid raft]

Mute Kaldrr too guys, just stop replying to these shills

[stable cape]

Needed confirmation if yall were serious about terror

[stable cape]

Unreal fanbase bro

[inland osprey]

When you run multiple betas then deicide on live nah we dont want that anymore

[warm canyon]

might do if i get the time today

[foggy cliff]

Ikr

[stable cape]

Good luck with yall progression

[hollow iris]

alright i listened i blocked him

[tired gust]

how tf are there already shills for a game that's only officialy like 6 days old

[brave gate]

Didn't they express players were progressing too quickly?

[hollow iris]

not substantially

[inland osprey]

Dunno but if it was an issue sort it out before game goes live lol. Ez

[quaint jasper]

What was the point of all these betas if they were just gonna hotfix it overnight on some random day a few days past launch?

[hollow iris]

And they failed to control that anyway

[hollow iris]

they were marketing thats it

[clear wadi]

can you please stop sharing that out of context

there was a lot more to the statement

thank you

I just want to rest

[hollow iris]

just rest guy, let people vent their feelings

[clear wadi]

and reminder to check pins

[hollow iris]

But yea out of context shouldnt be posted

[atomic sundial]

how much is the % then

[clear wadi]

stop taking single sentences out of context when I talked further about it

check pins and im going to bed im not gonna deal with it anymore sorry

[inland osprey]

I mean end of the day things were changed. People don't know what they were and will speculate till they find out

[past crystal]

[pine jasper]

so marvel lost 5 speed was that in the same hotfix or prior to that. Didnt even notice that

[brave gate]

Aurora dot immunity, terrormation turn meter resistance + base stat buff (don't know exact numbers there)