Shadow Buff Terrormaton and Aurora.

[uneven pine]

zzz.

[willow wraith]

said that about 2 hours ago

no idea when they would be active

[gloomy monolith]

The fact that they want to slow farming progression and they thought were changes were a good idea makes me dread something. What if they said "unequip costs", that's the ticket!

[willow wraith]

i'd 100% quit if we got unequip costs lmao

[copper nexus]

damn

this sucks

[knotty star]

Haha

[raw glacier]

Tbh pushing a big change like this live, right before going to sleep is such a bad practice in every possible business

[copper nexus]

was ready for this game to be my next long term gacha

[knotty star]

E7 ptsd

[copper nexus]

but i never looked into the devs

.>

have they made games in the past?

[odd berry]

i would say 1-0 devs

[willow wraith]

yeah this is like a start of day change even though its a dumb change to gauge reaction.

[upper flax]

do the devs or anyone like that even check feed back ? i would assume so but i need to ask becaue like trying to fight terror now is annoying

[willow wraith]

I would assume so considering how many people have been active in this thread, but we'll see

[uneven pine]

The devs made Sword of Convallaria, which for the most part was managed well.

[primal hare]

I'm going to wait a day. If the dev response sucks or they are radio silent, I'm quitting the game despite having spent some coin and going hard on progression. I have such a sour taste in my mouth from this, I don't want to play a game and invest time and/or money into a company that operates like this.

[willow wraith]

if you quit because of this contact your bank

[vale creek]

This shadow buff is fked up hard.

[copper nexus]

fked

to think i used up my maplestory upgrading luck on this game

FK

[upper flax]

they need to shadow nerf these bosses and shadow buff the currency to upgrade stuff would be alot more fun

[unique scaffold]

woke up to this nerf right after building up my sania and fangus

good one xd!

[whole vector]

Same😭😭

[unkempt charm]

worst part is dot team is even better on terror now

[whole vector]

My team cant kill terra otherwise, pve is harming nobody

[unique scaffold]

ikr, ssania cant even be used in pvp

its frustrating spending all my resources on her and her team just to have it invalidated a couple hours later without free character refunds

[willow wraith]

which 100% leaning into the idea this was all intended, they didnt want Sania good at aurora and terror. So, they gut her in aurora and increase hp so she is better for just terror

[whole vector]

Meanwhile lily is top tier everywhere and so is heinrich

And nobody bats an eye

[willow wraith]

lmao thats what im saying

[whole vector]

But when the worst LD has a bit of airtime, they nerf her

Lmaoo

[unique scaffold]

ditting is the biggest offender lmaoo

hes used in so much pve content and untouched

[stuck delta]

ngl i dont think they thought that far in advance

i think terror was just a diting nerf

and ssania got lucky

[thorn nymph]

Leave diting alone 🥀

[willow wraith]

that makes sense too

so is terror the only one with an hp buff?

[stuck delta]

this felt like a direct nerf to pve speed clear now that i know terror did have hp buffed

[unique scaffold]

all good hes goated still ❤️

[tulip patio]

Except this team is only viable in PvE content. And there are plenty of bosses that can’t receive DoTs already. Phantom Theater and Guild boss at bare minimum. And there was a cost to building this team. You had to be willing to not push PvP ladders in order to set up a good PvE foundation. Let’s be real, there are more ways than one to “cheese” the content. And then they did it without word, after most people have reconfigured already. You’re lucky if you didn’t. And it most likely cost people their gems to reconfigure her.

[unkempt charm]

honestlry the best play is just farm terror today as much as your possible can to get a good enough dps set for ril to farm doki then reset sania cause you dont even need to farm terror as soon as you have a good enough set so you dps can clear doki and aurora

[knotty star]

Devs when they see Lily & Heinrich dominating everywhere: Flirting...

Meanwhile SSania having the fastest clear in only 2 PvE contents while being easily counterable in pvp:
Harassment.

[whole vector]

10000%

I like shadow sania cause shes not op, i have lily and heinrich and its boring

But ssania and fangus was so fun😭

[uneven pine]

This. I'm going to farm terror Hell III while I can before they make him immune to damage.

[willow wraith]

if lily, henrich, or massiah got touched this game would be on fire.

[whole vector]

If lily got nerfed, the devs would be molotov’d

[willow wraith]

yeah lmao

[scarlet folio]

They could just leave her be and let her run in Aurora and Terror. THEN introduce a new end game mode where she does not work there anymore, so eventually she will be powercrept slowly for newer SSRS than can do the new content PLUS terror and aurora. This is a stupid take

[tulip patio]

I used all my resets for the DoT team and went all in. I farmed Doki hard 3, reset those Animuses after I got good enough gear to farm Aurora with the DoT team. If I’d know that something like this was even possible, I would have never touched her. It’s honestly a huge breach of trust for me. I spent during beta. I had 1k vouchers. I’m honestly disgusted and don’t even want to touch the game right now.

[unique scaffold]

yes if they released newer endgame content which is immune to dot I would be okay with that

just changing it randomly a couple days later is terrible lmao

[knotty star]

True true

[stuck delta]

which is what you should do

or make inferno 2-4 immune to it

[unkempt basin]

Which would be fine since IT WOULD BE COMMUNICATED

[stuck delta]

or a new module farm

[copper nexus]

if diting was the problem they should have just nerfed diting, and gave everyone reroll on him (where ueven after resetting his skill upgrades, u get GP selection box not just purple GP thingies back)

then no one can be mad

[unkempt charm]

people are mistaking the term nerf with no longer usable if they make it so it was harder to land debuffs so you had to get better acc rolls thats a nerf and while annoying that 1 thing, just flat out making something not long usable is not ok

[compact barn]

They should release new fight with total imunity to all dmg expet the new character so that everyone should pull new character, oh wait

[copper nexus]

this too

even e7 isn't that bad

[graceful dust]

how would a new module farm help with anything

[copper nexus]

they rework and accidently make characters useless

like hwayoung

BUT

she still works the way she used to

JUST REALLY SHIT

lol

but at least

she WORKS

[uneven crown]

toastymellos has been warned

Reason: Spam

[willow wraith]

yeah thats my biggest problem, they could of up'd aurora's eff res, so you need better gear, but immune is crazy

[stuck delta]

why are you responding after blocking?

[copper nexus]

FUCK U BOT NOT RIGHT NOW

[scarlet folio]

Exactly my point. I dont know how they think this will be ok. Just release new end game content that makes D.Sania mechanic useless and she will just have Niche on aurora and terror. Then introduce new ssrs that can powercrept her in new contents.. gg

[primal hare]

this is exactly how I feel. Exactly.

[past crystal]

[willow wraith]

it wouldnt have to be a module farm, and even if it was it could be like a combination of sets from doki/aurora, terror/aurora, and doki/terror.

[sage gulch]

What happened just five days into the game is bizarre and absolutely sets a precedent. It’s only not worse because it was a nerf to a team that few players actually have. There were three betas where, in the late game, everyone was using this DOT team, and they did NOTHING about it before. Now, in the middle of the transition for everyone who already invested in leveling up these characters, they decide to change it. Just look at the precedent this sets — at the very least, they should offer a free reset for the three characters in that team.

Imagine in the future they decide to buff mobs in Doki Doki so they no longer take splash damage? The game would already be dead if something like that happened.

I’ll say it again: this has set a TERRIBLE precedent! The company needs to speak up and communicate with seriousness and respect toward the players!

[compact barn]

I mean E7 done some nerf that basically kill character, or make it very niche until they buff it at some point and make it meta again" Chough MORT chough"

[next storm]

Psh just reset the reset event and make it entirely free imo

[unkempt basin]

We apologize you didn't read the boss mechanics after making no announcement about it 😔

and no the "fix" announcement doesn't mean shit as it implies a mechanic was supposed to be there. Istg if they're playing semantics with us.

[placid raft]

The reset shouldn't even be an event. That should be a permanent feature especially if they're going to be doing balance changes this often (and this poorly).

[next storm]

Yeah make it cost a currency you can farm

Or just silver in general

Like 500k to reset character...DONE

[sage gulch]

Like I said, if it were a nerf like this in DokiDoki, for example, removing Rimolcha’s splash damage, we wouldn't be seeing such a lenient reaction to what happened.

[stuck delta]

bro i cant even get 50k

[placid raft]

Or even premium currency, it just shouldn't be limited. You're bottlenecked into building these niche pve only teams and then they nerf them and you're screwed.

[compact barn]

Do you think they have respect for players, they may respect you if you maybe whale but for as long as they can milk you. That is every gatcha way to make all money in the world with least amount of work.

[knotty star]

I agree,

They need to show they're trustworthy to the playerbase if they want to keep this esport game alive in long term.

[next storm]

Seriously though

[glossy kindle]

Have we confirmed they didnt patch it mid beta?

[next storm]

Yes

[unkempt basin]

I mean they're doing well in the EoS speedrun category

[sage gulch]

yes

[glossy kindle]

Ah shame

[unkempt basin]

If this shit keeps up

[knotty star]

I'm just waiting how they will respond and hopefully they do it today

[graceful dust]

that is game development tho that isn't something they can do in a maintenance that's far down the line we need a quick fix

[next storm]

Mainly same. If they dont respond today and take over a week hmmm

[graceful dust]

making a whole new boss to farm sets isn't helping either

[glossy kindle]

I think expecting a response that soon is very optimistic haha

[graceful dust]

but they nerf it in 15 mins

make it make sense

[unkempt basin]

With how big this thread got, I think they should be urgent in their response

Unless of course they don't read this thread anyway

[willow wraith]

im saying they didnt need to do this change, if they wanted to make DoT teams less useful the content i said could come in the future and be immune to DoT.

[stuck delta]

the dupe thread was significantly longer

and took like 2 weeks

[glossy kindle]

theyve deffo read it

[unkempt basin]

Ah that's a fun precedent

[next storm]

Not even just this thread. YouTube, reddit, etc

[glossy kindle]

just need time to prepare a response im sure

[willow wraith]

the devs aren't even awake atm

[placid raft]

I mean this is a huge issue. The PvE past Hell 3 was already not fun to farm. This makes me regret spending during beta.

[willow wraith]

the dupe drama they just straight up dodged forever

[compact barn]

I've seen how quickly developers can ruin a game. Infinite Nikki tanked its ratings and player base with just one patch. Similarly, Black Beacon killed their community within a month, and now it's slowly sinking down.

[stuck delta]

dont worry they told us it wasnt malicious even though they waited until after the beta

im sure this isnt malicious too, waiting until people spent money

[graceful dust]

you blocked because instead of giving points y'all hop on a harassment campaign saying skill issue and clown reacts but you under this post with the same issue saying " so true king"

that's weird so i blocked you

[stuck delta]

15 people clowned on you because you listed 5 nerfs to make to doki doki farm lol

move on

[graceful dust]

there was only 1 nerf now you lying

i complied suggestions and y'all dogpiled

[stuck delta]

holy fuck let it go move on

[knotty star]

You guys got history together?

[stuck delta]

jesus fucking christ

[graceful dust]

4 suggestions and 1 nerf to her HP

[oak void]

now kiss

[graceful dust]

which they ninja buffed across the board

[willow wraith]

we're all on the same side with this one tho

[knotty star]

Yeah

[graceful dust]

and one of my points if you wanna make the bosses tuffer Reset our Cooldowns between round 1 and 2

if you dont wanna nerf doki

how is that a nerf

[compact barn]

I mean this game do not need a lot of skill, maybe skill to build teams and to read a bit and you good to go. what is carrying you through content is the characters and team synergy and some good luck with gear rolls

[graceful dust]

that's a QoL

[glossy kindle]

The thing is

now im scared to build diting

[graceful dust]

i built him

but i see the nerf

[willow wraith]

yeah it isn't really a big deal if DoTs were really good for terror and aurora because there are other teams with same clear speed

[graceful dust]

and i was farming Aurora for immunity sets for PvP

since i can't speed contest

[compact barn]

I am scared to build anything, who knows what next week they change

[oak void]

just build andrew, he'll never get nerfed

[glossy kindle]

i just wanna clear content without worrying about my grinding going to waste lol

[compact barn]

imagine and then day later he gets nerfed to the bottom

[glossy kindle]

red andrew so broken holy

[unkempt basin]

The only thing saving this game is andrew

[glossy kindle]

truth

[compact barn]

to be honest I will just grind gear and pets at least if characters gone to shit I will be able to use gear for something else

[stuck delta]

lmao i hope they release 2x event now

hahahahah

"we heard you guys thought the farming was more difficult, so we wanted to release what youve all been waiting for"

[compact barn]

2x event with some compensation would be nice

[soft knoll]

He's not untouched, they shadow buffed Terror stats as well

[oak void]

any sponsored content creators talk about the shadow changes yet?

[unique scaffold]

yeye I was wrong about that, just saw as well

crazy to shadowbuff stuff still

[copper nexus]

volkin's vid is going to be titled "DEVS SHADOW NERF SSANIA AND TERROR (and Lily's summon rate... Reroll hell p4 coming soon!)

[graceful dust]

how about they release my mats back to me and give me extra mats for my trouble since i can't farm my immunity set now

[raw glacier]

If we cant clear the content what use would the 2x event do?
2x0 is still 0

[graceful dust]

and not drop something that doesn't fix their isssue

[unkempt basin]

Dot is effective over 80% of PVE... Except for the 10% where it actually matters

[graceful dust]

dot is no longer effective where i needed it

i built Shadow for Aurora

[unkempt basin]

Ye p much

Same here

[stuck delta]

time to rollback accounts to launch 🤣

[unkempt basin]

PVP oriented and then you shadow buff a boss to make it even harder to grind for pvp gear...

[graceful dust]

give me the money i spent and i'll do that or introduce another start Global S-2 or something and refund my purchases

[magic wind]

Yeah I noticed nothing regarding more stamina

[willow wraith]

definitely feels the same as beta, i haven't noticed increased stamina.

[compact barn]

solution is money

[magic wind]

Not even that stamina are still 100 crystals and max 10 honestly no idea where the more stamina is supposed to be

[pine jasper]

wasnt it like 50 stamina more from daily quest?

[odd berry]

idk its was in ember trek too but yeah

[copper nexus]

don't get sidetracked

if devs see u talking about this

they will think u just wanted stamina

and then give 2 free stamina pots and pretend all the problems with shadowbuffs ahave been resolved

[oak void]

"we see your feedback and have implemented a stamina reserve with a higher stamina cap"
makes another boss immune to dots

[unkempt basin]

For ember trek I can understand tbh

[copper nexus]

WE MUST MAKE THEM PAY FOR THEIR SINS

[odd berry]

same but will be one place more for no dots

[unkempt basin]

Ye, i mean atp it's no surprise that people built dots to help with module bosses clear

Shell farming is just a bonus

[compact barn]

you get more daily stamina when you get monthy

[odd berry]

true

[odd berry]

yeah

[compact barn]

some packs do have stamina included

[magic wind]

But this update is a serious issue they should either revert the boss patch change, or change Shadow Sania’s kit so it’s not reliant on just dot to be usable and give extra free stamina that they promised so people can farm and build no gear for the endgame content since they wasted all the resources that would have been used for the dot builds. Finally or give players a chance to exchange her for another L/D unit

[compact barn]

so yeah more money more stamina

[oak void]

w devs listened, all we have to do is spend money

[unkempt basin]

I wouldn't want dot to work in hard endgame pve, that's just ridiculous. But I figured gear farming shouldn't be rly considered engame pve now is it?

Haven't played e7 so might be an ignorant take

[graceful dust]

im gonna be immune to poison irl in the Eternia Restart Hotfix

i can feel it

[sleek torrent]

We need compensation for the nerf!

[copper nexus]

real

even after reverting the changes

[oak void]

free 80 pulls to hit pity, 4 resets and a buncha stamina pills pls

[copper nexus]

at least give us 5-10 stam pots for the mental distress caused

give everyone a free set of mythic aurora gear

[odd berry]

u msut it see this way u egt the egar piss easy and make ahrd content cause of it easy too

[copper nexus]

simple

[graceful dust]

I like when i tried to Steal Turns from Terror and noticed it isn't as efficient as it was before

[copper nexus]

cn yu plaes tlpe prlperly jr encidhs si dahr ot rdea

[gleaming rover]

you must first open your eyes, your team is still only half invest of a DoT team

[compact barn]

as long time E7 player(been playing E7 for past 6 years everyday) I can say chasing gear and top content took so long months even for some fights, becouse lack of characters or lack of gear but when you get some gear in it just becomes dead easy to clear every content auto without any thinking so you can focus on new characters and pvp.

[tropic juniper]

Doesnt it say on the boss description that it cant be affected by any controls?

[copper nexus]

this is a nother that SUCKS so badly about the buffs to terror

[odd berry]

[copper nexus]

alot of the people in my competitive union have already moved onto farming dokidoki hell 4 because they farmed terror for dps geaer yesterday

[graceful dust]

didn't say that on Aurora either but now they immune to dots

[copper nexus]

and now wtf am i supposed to do

can't farm terror

so can't farm doki

just perma stuck farming shells forever i guess

[graceful dust]

did i answer you?

[odd berry]

i dont repeat it to u always bato i feel bad for u (no im not joking) but it is what it is dots gone

[unkempt basin]

Ye, but I see it this way, you invest a team exclusively for pve use which in turn makes your roster weaker in pvp (which is the main focus in this game) yes you can reroll but still, it's not like you can just force to build dot teams when it requires specific APEX character. No hate to you just trying to get more viewpoints why you think nerf is justified.

However, let's not excuse the lack of communication, this feels really scammy

[gleaming rover]

and i keep telling you that your point doesnt make sense because your team is as fast as Dot and only half invest? what is so hard to understand about that?

[tropic juniper]

Idk man, I thought you were talking about Terrormaton or whatever its name is.

[compact barn]

They intentionaly made now early game super hard I seen some people still bearly having dmg in coop or pvp

[odd berry]

i can understand both sides but i dont want personaly that 1 team can clear very much of all pve content easy

[compact barn]

gearing is very costly

[copper nexus]

at the end of the day. Only a fucking idiot would try to justify damage over time as a "control" effect. WTf are you controlling, the enemy's hp to 0??

[graceful dust]

im talking about both of them they can change something and not say anything about it that's what this entire post is about

[odd berry]

yeah communication is dawgshit i agree 10000%

[unkempt basin]

Is it really that bad when it's the only specific use-case of the team? I feel like it's a large investment in both stamina and latices

[odd berry]

i said ditting should get nerfed too earlier

[compact barn]

I get it that devs want people to build more characters and try different stuff so that we do not use just one team to stomp of all content but when there is just few good teams that can clear content it just kills players soul that do not have characters

[deep pawn]

I'm SO GLAD I didn't waste 8 lattice on Fangus after pulling 2 shadow sanias

[gleaming rover]

ditting is clearing more content than DoT btw, and nerfing diting would be scummy for f2p because of the shadow buffs to the bosses they will have a hard time without him

[oak void]

if they nerf diting im quitting, i'm still waiting on how they'll respond to s.sania outrage

[odd berry]

i would be fcked too cause i resetted my dmg dealers cause of him so yeah when nerf ditting it is what it is we can yap here as much as we want they dont change it i guess see other stuff

[compact barn]

To be honest gearing in 6th day should be hard but all of this shadow buffing and nerfing making unfair the people who grinded will be now dominating pvp and other content while those who are behind will have no chance now

[gleaming rover]

again wrong, they always changed something, the wrong thing but atleast they changed something

[scarlet folio]

Imagine if the next shadow nerf will be diting.. I believe people who even dont use him might quit just because of how they treat the game. Lmao. I dont use D.Sania but I feel for everyone who use her and this sets a bad precedent of how they manage ER. Imagine doing all this beta tests just to shadow buff a boss mechanic few days after official launch

[graceful dust]

they are the main ones saying this and that is fine and skill issue that and this

[odd berry]

sure put chess game in the game and say this is the "more" stamina thing

[graceful dust]

the best one i see them say is did you build X unit like some Elitist who played a CLOSED BETA

crazy right

[gleaming rover]

bruuuh DoT is not cheesing its a mechanic of the game, veronika invincible team is cheesing

[copper nexus]

I’ll be honest they don’t have a choice but to revert the changes

[compact barn]

I mean yes they got every character so they do not care they just use another one in slot

[odd berry]

i talk about the event game bro....

[copper nexus]

Anyone remember my hero academia TSH?

Game literally died on the same day they shadow nerfed a broken PVE character without telling player

[compact barn]

Upcoming event will be only up for peeps that are lvl40 and up

[odd berry]

?

[copper nexus]

That’s what’s gonna happen to this game if they don’t make any changes and compensation in the next 12-24 hours

[odd berry]

i talk about the permanent event game

[graceful dust]

" Well it's not a race it's a Marathon Hyuack" - some goofy elitist or Whale

[compact barn]

witch one

[vapid oriole]

That is outrageous that i invested in dot units and i'll have to reset, for those outside of the discord or casual players, they will just brick their accounts

[odd berry]

this with the dices

[compact barn]

oh dice event

yes

[odd berry]

yes thats the "more stamina" thing

[compact barn]

yes but it based purly on luck what you get

[odd berry]

yeah that is what i mean with look other stuff

they do it half heartly

[compact barn]

I mean there are few games that have stamina problem over the years

some gatchas solve it like pgr and other don't like genshin

and yes there is a way to make gatcha without stamina but then devs will have to make game very grindy and that is other problem

[odd berry]

yeah

[compact barn]

and we yet to see how there new character will be I wonder are they going power creep anything

[odd berry]

hope not as hard as e7

[deep pawn]

did this game really just nerf the already worst LD unit because of an overlooked boss mechanic they should've found in like the 3 other betas or whatever? kinda wish they just changed the text to Will Field instead of bricking dot teams rip

[odd berry]

[compact barn]

Considering it was already hard to do fight without dots team now they made it even harder with any team, to be honest idk what to build to start clearing again, my doki team still clearing stuff but for how long until they buff dokidoki cuz why the fuck not

[last temple]

Well Aurora was never intended to resist DoT

[odd berry]

hopium

[last temple]

This is from the last beta test

Nowhere does it mention her being immune to DoT

That's a completely new change

[deep pawn]

omg thats even worse than i thought

[last temple]

Yeah

It's pretty bad

[late onyx]

you can already look at mio

30% turn meter push + total 125% steal

and freeze

they really care about balance

[unkempt basin]

Message link? would like to see the aftermath

Tho im guessing you just got ignored

[deep pawn]

I felt like ssania team for aurora was relatively balanced considering you have to hyper invest in a super specific team that's bad in pvp and feels unseable in the other 2/3 of important pve content. Devs thought overwise ig

[copper nexus]

Guys is terror also immune to control effects?

[odd berry]

yeah he said he already responded

[unkempt basin]

Huh, where?

[compact barn]

oh cool I just got mio

[odd berry]

he deleted the messages cause was off topic

[unkempt basin]

Can you give a tldr, sorry if asking for too much

[rich granite]

lol what a joke. Controversy after controversy and they don’t even care.
They will just watch players quit in droves

[unkempt basin]

Just rly curious what they think

[sinful brook]

God dam that’s wild

[clear wadi]

I already said that developers have been asleep since this morning as china is in a different timezone

[odd berry]

@unkempt basin this yeah

spared me the search xd

[unkempt basin]

Cool cool

[whole vector]

I hope they dont go through with it

[rich granite]

Mate no hate to you or any other community manger but they should prepare for situations like this. We have had “fixes” and changes without any proper communication. That’s what we have patch notes and social media for.
This is not on you but it’s kinda hard for us because you are our representative in a way

[odd berry]

so now we play the waiting game i guess

[rich granite]

Pretty much

[odd berry]

[clear wadi]

So have patience, thank you

[unkempt basin]

Yep, with bated breath.

[odd berry]

[scarlet folio]

not for now I think. But lets wait for tomorrow probably they will issue "hotfix" again

[compact barn]

Waiting I mean sure, but that doesn't change the fackt that this should been adressed the moment they droped the hotfix

[clear wadi]

Regardless I will be sure to share that sentiment for future changes

[unkempt basin]

Highly appreciated

[copper nexus]

Isn’t it immune to freezes and stuff

[odd berry]

the only problem i see tbh is like marvell nerf (5 base speed its jsut a example) its not wrote in the patch notes i am not care that he is nerfed but its not writen anywhere that is straight up bad communication and that is jsut one thing

[clear wadi]

Understood.

[rich granite]

Oh no it’ll be in the middle of the night again while we all sleep. It’s funny that they kept pushing back the “fix” then dropped it and left us all here with nothing to go off of.
What makes it worse is it’s an outright lie. They act like we don’t have videos and screenshots of the beta to prove otherwise

[last temple]

This, not having boss changes in the patch notes also feel incredibly bad

[copper nexus]

Ngl

I just kinda wanna know

In what world dot is a control effect

[compact barn]

to be honest just some notes a day earlier that you going to brick character, before hotfix would be nice

[copper nexus]

Are we controlling the enemy’s hp bar?

[rich granite]

Starting to feel more intentional than anything

[last temple]

I mean, technically yes

[compact barn]

I build marvell fully yestarday and now it all feels like total waste of my time and resources

[odd berry]

he is still good but this feel bad that something like this isnt mentioned

[scarlet folio]

Well, there are best clears in Aurora using D.Sania. Now, apparently, she is T5 in Aurora as per Prydwen

[scarlet folio]

Wait, did they really do this? Wow...

[last temple]

Yeah they changed Aurora to be completely immune to DoT, so she's worthless in it now

[compact barn]

at that point you better just use R characters

[last temple]

Well... not wrong

[rich granite]

I mean she is straight up unusable there now. It just blows my mind that they pretend we didn’t play the beta lol

[odd berry]

yeah to the launch

[high seal]

it's masked because of the speed increase at 5/6 stars

[compact barn]

I mean they pretend we didn't play game for past 6 days after launch

[scarlet folio]

Beta was useless if you gonna nerf unit post launch and few days in. If you really want to gut DOT in your end game should have done it prior to release, put a patch notes and address your vision moving forward. Be transparent.

[whole vector]

They also acting like 4% is gamebreaking

Some games have dots that do 5% or even 10% max hp

4% and they crying is wild

[last temple]

His base is now 111, this is a SS from a video from Auronnj who was playing during the CBT after the last beta test

[scarlet folio]

again, should be addressed prior to release like how they did to Victor. Now no one builds him much because of Diting, because again, they were tranparent about him and no one wasted their time building said unit post launch

[last temple]

And the speed nerf was not in patch notes

[rich granite]

Lmao so true sadly. They’re treating us like we need their game. There are multiple PvP gachas and literally their own partner HellHades is launching a beta for his PvP gacha within the next couple months. Players have options

[high seal]

i did leave that as a feedback item, but i think it got lost in the launch day issues https://discord.com/channels/994852318904340560/1380298294546268180

[rich granite]

At this point we can’t trust anything in the game. They are changing things in the game without telling us and lying to us about other changes. They have broken the trust completely

[hollow iris]

This thread ✊

[compact barn]

Yes there so many upcoming gatcha games that if this game will not treat player well we just leave for someon that does

[stuck delta]

honestly respect to you for having to put up with this shit from everyone...not just us but having to balance what all parties involved want

but i do hold contempt for your lack of doggo and pupper pictures

[rich granite]

I dropped some decent money on this game and was planning to continue to do so monthly. There are many players who probably share the same sentiment. There are other games where we will be more respected and our money will be better spent unless XD decides to start righting some wrongs

[compact barn]

I mean he is just a community manager and our frustration is not with him but the devs and he taking is very well I seen much much worst at least he trying to listen to us

[compact barn]

same I dropped solid 100

[rich granite]

Yeah like I was telling him earlier I nor most players have anything against him. We just need communication

[rich granite]

I know a good few players who are in the 1000s for spending already and 1 of them is currently discussing quitting and honestly I can’t blame them

[compact barn]

Yes they need to improve patch notes badly

[hollow iris]

whats the hellhades one like there any info yet

[compact barn]

Yeah I know few who dropped 5k+ already and still do not have all characters and thinking on just quiting

[rich granite]

Absolutely. There is a YouTube channel and over a year of open discussion from the developers about the game.

[dull tinsel]

bruh, even the hp inflation in early release is pretty wild, but getting nerf into limited lnd unit, its fucked up

[whole vector]

A niche LD at that

[rich granite]

https://www.youtube.com/@FatelessGames

[dull tinsel]

and ofcourse i got 3 dupe of shania

[compact barn]

to be honest they could change her to blue R character now

[hollow iris]

I already sent in my chargeback request to my bank, shadow nerfing and further scummy behavior was a last straw for me. My banks official policy is 30 days for processing so i have time to withdraw the request but im doubtful as ive become the purest salt.

Shadow nerfing doesnt even effect me directly

im just mad

[whole vector]

And if they do revert the nerf, rip ur acc

[hollow iris]

Thats fine at this point

[compact barn]

It is unlikely they will revert back changes

[rich granite]

I have seen a few people in chat discussing charge backs. The credit card company my business works with (chase) has a whole part of their customer service that has info on gacha games and they openly accept charge backs if certain things in game have changed without warning or against intended design

[whole vector]

Idk, it caused a huge uproar

[rich granite]

Look at all the other changes they’ve made that have sown dissatisfaction and broken confidence among consumers. They need to show us they care because right now it looks like they couldn’t care less

[compact barn]

yeah probs not happen cuz we do not have CN playing game so they only need to drag things up until CN server releases

[scarlet folio]

my marvell is 5star only but with 116 speed thou?

[last temple]

5 star gives +5 speed now, same with 6 star

[compact barn]

in EU it is ilegal to make these kind of changes to games and plus Eu making harder for predetory gatcha games to start changing things left and right without notice.

I can charge back anything in 30 day period of time

[rich granite]

This game isn’t big enough for the union’s radar. I assume there will be lawsuits over this though

[scarlet folio]

they dropped the hotfix without addressing it fast enough. its a shadow nerf for the whole DOT team and nothing is said lmao

[compact barn]

I mean Eu cliped genshin wings so it is matter of time when they start striking everything, plus there is option to report game service of unfair practices

[rich granite]

Nah man they’re sleeping lol. Like they didn’t do this to us while we slept

[rich granite]

I would hate to see this be the case but it might come down to reporting the game for things to get better

[hollow iris]

attacking genshin imo is just because its large and chinese. Power was the motivation, cant be bothered over games like this 1

[rich granite]

That’s what I was saying earlier. This isn’t on the radar

[hollow iris]

Just sad way to kill the hype, do they just hate their customers lmao

[rich granite]

Consumer confidence is shattered right now

[hollow iris]

Its already bad enough that they allowed the dupes controversy to happen, then theres making pve difficult and numerous ways to brick your account; now the people who made a smart investment getting shafted

Just wild

[barren gull]

Hope we see some updates about this from the devs,otherwise i don't think i could trust them anymore

[hollow iris]

checkin out fateless rn

[rich granite]

It needs to be more than just updates. This isn’t the first time this has happened.

[compact barn]

yes true but as I mentioned there is a way to report game at least in EU (cuz US do not give a shit) if enough people report game Eu has to at least have discussion about the thing plus the thing is it just the beginning you always start with biggest in industry and then build around the law that makes it right it just takes so much time to make it functional and at least EU trying something and not just standing there

[hollow iris]

I appreciate the optimistic spirit of your post and wont say anything negative about it.

[compact barn]

I mean Eu is not best place in long shot but W is a W

[rich granite]

It’s almost 8am in China right now so we will probably hear something in a few hours or closer towards the middle of the night

[dull tinsel]

amen

[hollow iris]

What were they smoking to do such a change then go to bed lmao

[dull tinsel]

im just crying, someone say that we are too cringe that didnt think the meta of dot are too broken

but, bruh sania literally only work for that, she cant even play in pvp , im sad

[hollow iris]

She can play in pvp if you're plat or higher since protected slot but yea its rough

[compact barn]

It is very common practice in china and korea games to make games for quick cash and when game dies down just make another one and start over

[hollow iris]

does reputation just not carry over

hows that business practice work lmao

[compact barn]

Just change company name

simple

[rich granite]

lol nope. There are many ways to go around reputation

[hollow iris]

Huh, i just feel like if a western dev tried that everyone would be able to go "hey its TIM THE SCAMMER" and wouldnt identify the game by its company name are chinese execs anom lmao

[compact barn]

there is a ways to just and in asian countries it is dead easy for companies abuse some systems

[hollow iris]

huh

[compact barn]

I mean look at tencent

or NC soft

everyone knows about ther eshitty practicess

[hollow iris]

i mean at least those 2 are large enough to be identifiable

[compact barn]

yet

[hollow iris]

and a "buyer beware"

it just means their products are good enough for some people to not care

[compact barn]

Yeah or some just do not care

[rich granite]

Like you would never think this company made Go Go Muffin, Ulala, or Torchlight Infinite. The average consumer doesn’t even know what the company produces when they consume a game from them

[compact barn]

yeah

[proven spruce]

Where do you even read the patchnotes? Been looking for them but they only post random things from tt.

[compact barn]

some bearly know western game studios

[rich granite]

This wasn’t in the patch notes

[hollow iris]

hence 'shadow'

[proven spruce]

Still, where can you find them

[uneven pine]

When it came to Dupes in RTA we heard from devs at 8:30pm PST. That's in 3 hours and 40 minutes. I'd expect we get the same timeline now.

[proven spruce]

Like the actual notes, not shadow changes.

[hallow spindle]

People aren't savvy enough. FoxNext got caught doing live A/B testing with drop rates on their servers, manipulating the accounts of influencers. The BBB slapped them with a fine. They got kicked out of the apple play store for a while... And yet Marvel Strike Force is still kicking years later.

[uneven pine]

There are none.

[rich granite]

That would be nice but who knows. We didn’t get any info about the boss changes when it came to the turn meter protection buff on hell or inferno. Nor did we get any notice about them changing Marvell base speed

[rich granite]

I remember when this happened and after a few months everyone just forgot and moved on

[sinful brook]

Refunds imo

[compact barn]

mapple story was caught manipulating rates as well got fined and yet they still kicking in steam and other platforms like nothing happend

[rich granite]

A lot of people will charge back and quit

I don’t advocate charge backs but understand that some people see that as the best solution and I cannot blame them. They’ve been betrayed in a sense

[sinful brook]

I already did lol

Only 800 but still

[compact barn]

People forget very easily and just move on if this game just becomes this greed fest so many just moves on

[magic wind]

I am officially renaming Shadow Sania to Black Sheep Sania

[compact barn]

Bottom feed sania

[sinful brook]

Only way to recover from this is legit most craziest compensation ever

[barren gull]

if they give any

[rich granite]

They won’t.

[compact barn]

yeah but it will not happen, I mean they maybe give a 10 pull and full reset but that would be insane so that probs will not happen

[rich granite]

Plus a lot of players have quit. They’re burning bridges. You can’t repair them only make new ones

[placid raft]

the pve was already tedious and overtuned for a pvp gacha, so doing stuff like this is going to kill their game very quickly

[compact barn]

now it is not best time to burn bridges with players considering we getting more and more games to chose from

[magic wind]

Yeah had 2 of my union members quit at least

Currently pulling Shadow Sania feels worse than pulling for and SR

[rich granite]

Just take a look at all the people in this entire server talking about quitting or charge backs.

[compact barn]

I got dupes for sania

so I am in pain

[odd berry]

[sinful brook]

Needs to be a ssr selector of any champ plus respec to even break even

[compact barn]

I think considering there is no CN server yet they will try to delay backlash for as long as possible untill they release in CN and after that they will not care anymore about global at all

[magic wind]

As a spender having paid money and only having gotten Shadow Sania from the L/D banner feels like a stab to the gut

[rich granite]

Just look at how E7 treated CN server once it got released

[odd berry]

[magic wind]

Oh what happened

[rich granite]

Oh yeah as a spender I’d be livid if shadow sania was my only LD

[foggy cliff]

What's really annoying is Shadow Sania is supposed to shine in mid game. She falls off hard in late game (PvP, competitive PvE, guild stuff)

[rich granite]

Just a lot of preferential treatment and then you can also look at what happened to black beacon

[compact barn]

They showered CN players with so much stuff, I was there when it all happened and how huge of backlash there was and yet nothing was done to make it fair to global players till this day.

[magic wind]

Yeah black beacon is basically dead but this is a different company so let’s not get ahead of ourselves but this shot definitely needs to be addressed in a satisfying way

[rich granite]

It made me quit the game

And I spent almost over 5,000 USD on E7 but quit it cold turkey when the CN server shenanigans happened

[compact barn]

It made a lot of people quit and cosidering there is no more support in west that you can contact game is just slowly going down.

[swift falcon]

Sounds like Nikke right now

[rich granite]

The difference between E7 controversy and here is that E7 already had years of rapport built with players and gave compensation numerous times. They even canceled their biggest update ever to appease players. Here the game has been out 6 days. There is nothing holding players to this game.

[compact barn]

Played nikke since day one but considering the ceo of company is now 5th riches person in korea means they can just do jack shit.

[compact barn]

and yes it is painfull to see it considering how good of aniversary they had giving players so much

CN always gets favored by all games cuz it just the biggest marked and it is easier to bs marked your game in china

I like never seen gatcha that doesn't favour CN

[rich granite]

CN has the biggest spenders

[quaint jasper]

Girlsfrontline 2 treats their global server pretty good for now that CN players joke the CN server is now the beta server for global

But gfl 2 was in trouble before global launched

[swift falcon]

Live by the CN whales, die by the CN NTR drama

[quaint jasper]

Lol we just need ntr to happen here to fill out a gacha controversy bingo card

[small tendon]

Did you play e7 in the past?

[rich granite]

If we are experiencing all these problems now, I’m am very concerned as to what will happen when Etheria opens up to the CN community of gacha players

[compact barn]

yeah global launch was a cluster fuck for that game, last minute publisher change then 3 day delay for some countries in EU and US downloading issues and shorter events for those countries so many people just getting behind content was a bit bad

[compact barn]

Well gobal will be dead by then

[rich granite]

It really feels like they’re actively trying to kill the game already

[compact barn]

To be honest at that moment just reroll in CN server for better treatment

[rich granite]

I don’t want to hear any BS about they’re trying to slow down progression for a better PvP experience. Beta PvP was so fun once you got to the higher ranks

[quaint jasper]

This Sania business is supposed to be for a few years later when the devs are super complacent and those of us who are still here can make excuses or huff on copium

[rich granite]

Just might. Haven’t studied Mandarin in a few years so hope they still have English text on CN launch lol

[compact barn]

I mean wed o not really need that much we allready played game so we know were everything is around as for a story translating tools got very good over the years

and same I know some basic mandarin over the years of playing MMO's in CN servers

[placid raft]

They can easily revert / fix this. It just makes me question wtf the devs are thinking / doing. The endgame pve (Hell 3/4/inferno) needed nerfed if anything and SSania was niche at best.

If they want to buff boss hp that's fine but they need to reduce boss dmg then. A turn based game where if the enemy gets a turn you lose, is bad design.

[compact barn]

Yes but I want you ask yourself one simple question. Will it bring more money to the company in short time Cuz that is the the thing they are thinking for sure

it is all about money

it is sad but it is reality

[placid raft]

Well a dead game isn't going to bring them any money

[rich granite]

A solid point for this is to look at the accounts brute forcing every piece of content with a maxed out massiah

[compact barn]

if they nerf Massiah the game would just EoS at that moment

sometimes some desition are just bad but some are just stupid

[rich granite]

It would be chargeback galore

But fr they say dupes don’t really add much but all the top teams are just maxed out dupes

[scarlet folio]

Yea played it for 2-3 years

[molten nebula]

I think most people are looking at this the wrong way tbh. I've had the impression for a while that nerf(and buffs) are going to be an ongoing process. Especially for a PVP game they have to keep it fresh. This Ssania case is a bit different but i dont expect for her to remain the same way she is forever

[compact barn]

Yeah already seen daimond players with maxed out characters just destroying everything in PVP

[swift falcon]

They also said they would clarify exactly how dupe value was calculated into stats, but that information must have been put in the pile with "extra daily stamina on release."

[placid raft]

????? Looking at this the wrong way? They made an apex unit that requires an entire team to be formed around her completely unplayable and shadow buffed content that hardly anyone was even clearing yet. This had nothing to do with pvp.

[uneven pine]

Nerfs and buffs to characters in regards to PvP content. Not nerfs and buffs to PvE bosses which are required to clear for gearing.

[compact barn]

Yes balance patches a must for PVP game but not at 6th day of release

[foggy cliff]

I wonder if they'll do something to address this later tonight

[molten nebula]

Pvp stats and skills arent separate from pve so unless you want them to do that (which would be nice) its going to change both

[magic wind]

Yet need to do something to address it this regards and L/D SSR unit not just some random SR

[placid raft]

SSania was not being used in pvp. Are you trolling??

[compact barn]

Probs not I think it is too late to change it back now and even if they want to it will take at least couple of days to revert it back well maybe if they shutdown server for maintanace they could revert today in couple of hours

[rich granite]

This is not a buff nor nerf. This is a fundamental change to the way the game was designed with no communication. The buffs and nerfs mentioned refer to the balance of characters themselves in areas of PvP

[molten nebula]

Shes not completely unplayable

[magic wind]

No one uses her for PVP

[small tendon]

Were you in a guild called Nocturne?

[placid raft]

Dots do not work against Aurora after the hotfix. That makes her unplayable in 1 of 2 modes she was used in. You are actually dumb.

[molten nebula]

I was replying to the other guys comment about pvp, learn to read pls

[scarlet folio]

Yes

[small tendon]

What a coincidence hahahah

[magic wind]

Plus she is also basically nerfed in the other as they increased the HP and Dmg of Terramaton she often can’t survive long enough to deal real damage

[uneven pine]

People have already done pulls, rerolls, and built their accounts around very specific units. Then they wake up and those units can no longer do the things they were meant to do. I've played a lot of gacha games for a very long time, and I honestly haven't seen a blunder this bad since Netmarble released P2W skins in Knights Chronicle.

I suspect they'll revert this change, or at least provide compensation and clarity as to why they made these changes. I had high hopes for this game, and I think they can save themselves from this blunder, but how they react in the next 24 hours will make or break this game imo.

[placid raft]

Yes but you're discussing pvp buffs and nerfs on a thread regarding pve and a unit that is only used in PvE. So wtf is your point?

[scarlet folio]

Lmao guildies?

[small tendon]

Yeah haha. Long time ago man

Back when game released

[hoary echo]

Where are the patch notes

[molten nebula]

1 of 2, that means she still has a use. You clearly dont understand what the word completely means.

[magic wind]

Speaking of which 12 USD for color swap in a turn based game is insane

[uneven pine]

#announcement message

[placid raft]

Go troll somewhere else

[scarlet folio]

Yea Alex atleast 12 USD with some mats might be alright, or 9.99 USD for the skin swap alone?

[compact barn]

She is not useful in terror anymore as well cuz she can't surive long enough to kill the bloody thing

[sturdy mango]

A lot?
Are there any lists

Just curious and hope those don't happen here

[hoary echo]

What was the boss doing for hotfix

[rich granite]

Ah geez excuse me. I have to clarify that I was wrong about compensation. lol they did compensate us with a couple hundred hydra crystals and a stabilizer

[rich granite]

It was a hot topic in the e7 community. You’d have to skim through some content to see everything

[foggy cliff]

Nah reverting the changes is easy wym

[scarlet folio]

Yea long time ago.. that was some fun times, didnt have wife and kids back then. We old man anyways, this game good, but this shadow nerfing units/ mechanics will be a real issue moving forward

[uneven pine]

This is part of the issue. We don't know. Nowhere in the game does it say what has changed, or what this buff does. We don't know if the change even worked correctly. For all we know these new changes could be bugs. We have had zero communication from the devs.

[magic wind]

I thin 7.99 USD would be alright for just the skin but if it’s 11.99 USD it should have something by extra to either the design or what you buy be it pulls or materials

[uneven pine]

They literally put up a patch that might have broken everything, then went to sleep.

[small tendon]

Yeah this game not so good on the patch notes and information. Need to hire some people to do it properly

[rich granite]

They claimed aurora was supposed to already be immune to dot and they were “fixing” the bug but in the beta she was not immune to dot and it was a great option for farming aurora

[hoary echo]

The devs gives me disappointing view points on the game tbh

[compact barn]

I mean maybe maybe some intern done sloopy job before shift end

[rich granite]

Exactly. We need a legitimate line of communication. We can’t just be told to wait for a response because people are sleeping. We wouldn’t need a response if they communicated this to us in the first place

[uneven pine]

Source? All I've seen is they said "Fixed [Threshold]<Aurora> Boss mechanic: Will Field not functioning correctly."
We don't actually know what Will Field is, because it's** not even indicated in the game**.

[hoary echo]

When do people reset there lian

[sturdy mango]

Most 2nd hand news I see are either fake news or exaggerated
Hard to believe anything at this point
But well, that other game aside, hope it's the last time they shadow buff/nerf something

[magic wind]

When you enter comprehensive training

[uneven pine]

I've literally gone into the fight with Aurora, checked every single icon and read every description.

[sturdy mango]

At the very least after you're done with anything that requires you to up her skills

[uneven pine]

There is no icon for Will Field. At all. It's an invisible buff.

[rich granite]

@last temple posted some screenshots earlier about it in this thread

[naive pine]

waiting on some sort of compensation

[hoary echo]

Bro what you saying

[compact barn]

it could be misstranslation

[uneven pine]

DoT's are not control effects.

[magic wind]

It’s what the section is called it’s basically after the page of sub quests that ask you to make one of her skills level 2

[rich granite]

Brother it took two seconds of looking at aurora to see it

[compact barn]

but who knows at this point until devs get there coffee and have some smoke and then have meeting, we will have to wait

[atomic sundial]

Did they nerf Diting?

[open anvil]

on terror yes

[rich granite]

That’s from beta

[atomic sundial]

how?

[small tendon]

Really? How

[magic wind]

Exactly

[uneven pine]

Thanks. I looked a few hours ago and I swear it wasn't listed there.

[open anvil]

or nerf and nerf they nerfed so he cant oneshoot clear it etc takes longer

[small tendon]

Does anyone know if terro had the 30% push resist in beta???

[rich granite]

That’s what I’ve been saying this whole time. They’re lying to us and calling it a fix

[rich granite]

All good man

[atomic sundial]

what?

[open anvil]

terror got bigger hp

[atomic sundial]

What exactly did they nerf?

Oh

[open anvil]

terror got bigger hp%

[small tendon]

Seriously??

[open anvil]

yes

[rich granite]

No boss had the turn meter protection buff in beta

[small tendon]

Damn they really need to communicate stuff like this

This isnt good

[rich granite]

Just another controversy

[foggy cliff]

Was this on the update yesterday or since start of the game

[small tendon]

This is basic

[foggy cliff]

I know for sure everything harder than beta

[magic wind]

Yeah their communication needs serious improvement

[uneven pine]

Terror has a LOT more HP and does a LOT more damage now. He also starts the fight by hitting you with one of his arms and applying def down. This almost always assures one unit will die with his first attack.

[scarlet folio]

was it not on the patch note? any changes from final beta to official launch should be addressed or stated somewhere right? if nothing..

[small tendon]

Patch notes supposed to contain all changes so players know what we're getting. It also helps them cover their asses

[compact barn]

Everything feels more grindy than beta

[rich granite]

It’s hard to know for sure but based on damage compared to beta it does seem terror has a decent amount more HP

[open anvil]

yesterday from what i understood it as was part of the shadow nerf from what they didnt mention it was created to stop the diting

[small tendon]

Not sure why they cant include things like that in patch notes

[rich granite]

The patch notes didn’t even have all the character changes lol let alone anything else

[rich granite]

They knew it would piss people off

[open anvil]

how many betas did they have?

[small tendon]

Devs, hire a team to do the patch notes properly. Its a 2 man job at most

[uneven pine]

2 I think.

[rich granite]

I think 5?

[uneven pine]

or 3.

5????

[hoary echo]

I already did that now I’m stuck

[open anvil]

5 betas not a single time did they even mention that aurora was bugged?

[sturdy mango]

Last year and the final test phase weeks before release, I think?
I only remember 2

[uneven pine]

Correct.

[small tendon]

I dont.think thry did

Seems like a dumb move to make

[rich granite]

Because it wasn’t a bug until players starting clearing it too fast lol. The bug is us clearing content faster than they intended

[open anvil]

so they just shifting the blame to it was a bug instead of we changed our mind?

[foggy cliff]

So people can't win with Diting anymore or just need much higher investment?

[magic wind]

Yeah hire me I’ll do that shit for free

[scarlet folio]

so what are they doing now? people finding out these shadow nerfs, and looks like people are more pissed. not sure but I think

[open anvil]

idk havnt built him but guessing u can still clear it

[rich granite]

They need to show today that they are willing to change and that they care otherwise this game is dead in the water

[open anvil]

ohh right they shadow nerfed marvel aswell last patch lowered his base speed

[uneven pine]

How much?

[open anvil]

5

[small tendon]

Yeah if you wanna balance/nerf units and stuff just make a patch noted and give proper compensation like other big gachas

[rich granite]

It looks like they don’t care more than didn’t know

[sturdy mango]

Yesterday they announced something around the same time
Will wait for a few minutes

[rich granite]

They lowered his base speed by 5 and didn’t include it in the notes

[atomic sundial]

Is it true that they shadow nerfed Marvell's speed?

[rich granite]

It’ll probably be another few hours

[rich granite]

Yup

[uneven pine]

Do we know if any other characters were changed?

[atomic sundial]

From what number to what number?

[rich granite]

We would have to look through vods and compare each unit

[open anvil]

CN is behind us time wise right?

[tulip patio]

@clear wadi I reconfigured my entire account to the DoT team. I was willing to take it slow in PvP, even though I’m competitive, to build a strong PvE team. Now my account is completely bricked. I went all in on the DoT team, with skills and all. And now I can’t reconfigure them. I can’t level anything else because I’ll my resources are spent. I had a 6 star DoT team.

[open anvil]

i did the same hahaha

[rich granite]

116 to 111

[rich granite]

C already responded and said just wait for devs

[sturdy mango]

Maybe
I'll just be really worried if during the "big" maintenance there's nothing announced / "fixed"

[rich granite]

Ahead. It’s almost 9am there

[open anvil]

ohh okey nvm then

[magic wind]

My investment was lower but still nothing to sneeze at

[rich granite]

I’m scared of what else they might “fix” lol

[uneven pine]

Same. I did over 1,200 pulls and only got 4 LD5's. 3 of them were Shadow Sania. But I was fine with this because she could be built for Aurora. Now I'm regretting my entire experience with this game.

[open anvil]

fix? they havnt fixed a thing lol

[rich granite]

They sure called it a fix but really it’s just screwing over the players and not caring

[graceful dust]

they fixed it alright

fixed it up for EoS

[rich granite]

They fixed a lot of people’s opinions to quit and charge back

[hoary echo]

They be nerfing everything and buffing up the difficulty imo

[magic wind]

They fixed Shadow Sania into Black Sheep Sania

[open anvil]

not the first time heard they screwed people over in their last game aswell

[oak void]

fixing things the way casinos do, to ensure the players aren't winning too much

[rich granite]

We only have anecdotal evidence of them buffing HP bars of bosses but it does seem to be true unfortunately

[tulip patio]

Same!

[sturdy mango]

What is their last game again? That Sword of something?

[foggy cliff]

Yeah within the next 2 hours they should announce something

[rich granite]

Par for the course it seems

[open anvil]

indeed

[hoary echo]

Do they not want people to enjoy the game

[rich granite]

They also made go go muffin, ulala, and torchlight

[swift falcon]

If it's like last time, they'll announce an announcement to come in 2-3 days.

[rich granite]

It definitely seems that way now doesn’t it

[magic wind]

I get the HP buffs since people where clearing content insanely fast in Beta but not the attack buff to Terramaton and Dot Immunity

[rich granite]

But they need to tell us these things

Communication is the issue here

[magic wind]

Oh definitely

[hoary echo]

It’s beyond painful trying to clear the module stages

[uneven pine]

Lol, I did 1326 pulls. 2 LD5 from it. Now I'm beginning to even question their rates.
2 I got from the Extre-Affinity Summon.

[rich granite]

Oh yeah in beta I was clearing hell 4 as soon as I hit level 35 but now it’s a slog and my account now is even better than my beta account

[scenic bison]

up to this thread

[rich granite]

I’ve done around 1500 and have 9 right now

[foggy cliff]

That's what people with Rilmochas in Beta were saying too. Doki much harder now. Before you could run Kraken and Red Kazuyo cause it was all one shot

[magic wind]

They could have just made the level requirements higher lol 😂

[hoary echo]

My diting would do the damage for me now in struggling to do damage and survive cause I have no sustain or dps

[rich granite]

Oh yeah my Rilmocha can’t one shot hell 4 reliably now and I know for a fact it was a one shot in beta with worse stats

[uneven pine]

How long do we have to report to our bank a fraudulant charge? 30 days?

[rich granite]

There are so many ways to make better decisions than what they’ve done

[uneven pine]

Makes me wonder if the rebate program was built to circumvent refunds.

[silver vault]

These devs are gonna screw around and have people doing a mass quit just like with infinity Nikki and black beacon. I think the content from beta was fair on the difficulty. To buff the gear drop bosses isn't cool at all .

[rich granite]

30 days for most major banks

[woven agate]

This is so stupid. Basically people invested in some teams that tested in beta. And now with no communication they simply destroy dot team. Unacceptable

[foggy cliff]

Yeah people in beta were doing Hell 3/4 with Ril immediately back then

[sturdy mango]

Do we know when the next maintenance will be?
You know, the weekly/biweekly/every 6 weeks one
Not hotfix

[rich granite]

I can still farm hell 4 now but instead of a sub 1 minute clear I’m at 2 minutes consistently even though my gear now is much better lol

[uneven pine]

Thursday.

[hoary echo]

I can’t make it to hell I’m struggle at nightmare

[rich granite]

Multiple controversies 6 days into launch is definitely not a good look

[hoary echo]

I wanna do the mission before the reset goes away

[foggy cliff]

Same, 2 min clears and it took a lot of tweaking to get a team that could safely auto. I did do a few runs below 2 min manually so I can auto in batches of 8 haha

[hoary echo]

But can’t with the stamina limit like bruh

[magic wind]

It will be tones easier after today since you get the free Lingluo and she is insanely op as a support

[hoary echo]

She doesn’t work in terror

[foggy cliff]

Lingluo heals whole team right

[rich granite]

Same lol. I know I don’t have hard proof but there is so much anecdotal evidence from the community that they changed enemy stats and didn’t tell us a thing

[magic wind]

She does for DokiDoki at least and Aurora

[rich granite]

She does if you have a +5 massiah but hey dupes don’t matter. What a joke this all has been

[foggy cliff]

Lingluo more for Aurora tbh

[hoary echo]

I had messiah and he carried me in bera

[foggy cliff]

and clearing CC heavy stages

[hoary echo]

Al you have to do is cc the people in doki doki and ez win

[magic wind]

I auto Hell easily and I am not even using a CC unit like you are meant to

[rich granite]

What I’m referring to is people are using a max dupe massiah and two healers to clear all the content in the game

[hoary echo]

Incredible

[small tendon]

Max dupe massiah costs like 1k+ right

[foggy cliff]

I did that too in beta, 4-6 min clears with Tiamat

[small tendon]

Jesus christ man

[magic wind]

Massiah is way to op honestly he makes other units irrelevant

[rich granite]

If you go to max pity every time

[rich granite]

Not necessarily but if you give him max dupes he doe serious damage that can’t really be matched because he is so universal

[hoary echo]

I’m also having a hard time doing prowers cause the mechanic to a specific typing

[magic wind]

He is straight up Diting damage with AOE and invincibility buff

[late onyx]

that’s not really the case, his s3 has def pen and s2 has fixed dmg

so it removes the need to use a def breaker which enables double sustain

he doesn’t do that much dmg, it just opens up a slot in the team since he doesn’t need a debuffer

[rich granite]

Yup and with lily fast enough and lingluo you pretty much never run out of invincibility

[late onyx]

if you look at the current 5 dupe massiah clears, it’s b/w 2-3 mins

[hoary echo]

Oh wait I’m trying to do story mode and forced to use her and she got nerfed to the ground

[late onyx]

it won’t clear inferno as near as fast

[hoary echo]

Makes sense

[magic wind]

Messiah is basically an always ban in pvp over Mio, Lily or Marvell

[graceful dust]

for you maybe

Lily is the ban

i left all the rest through

[hoary echo]

Are they gonna make any sort of announcement

[atomic sundial]

Has any big streamer talked about it?

[rich granite]

Yeah but the gear isn’t as optimized either and some are still using an epic shell. He will only get better with time and investment

[graceful dust]

they are partnered

[rich granite]

I haven’t seen anymore talking about it

[graceful dust]

why would they talk about it

[rich granite]

Don’t wanna risk that paycheck

[magic wind]

Probably not for another few hours

[graceful dust]

and no gacha streamer besides tectone is big

which he does not care

[foggy cliff]

Ban my Massiah over Lily pls, thanks

[magic wind]

Volkin sorta glossed over it

[astral sinew]

Bro I invested a ton of resources in DoT team 😭

[foggy cliff]

Everyone bans Lily...

[magic wind]

No problem

[hoary echo]

Just Having him on tue field terrifies people

[graceful dust]

Lily enables the entire cast i will always ban her

[magic wind]

I use Kloss to out speed her she has highest base speed

[foggy cliff]

Kloss only speed downs, Lily still gonna move literally after

If there was only a 1 speed difference

[magic wind]

She also has turnmeter steal on her skill two when I use that the rest of my team goes before her usually Tsukyo Mi that than moves up Diting that than snips Lily

[hoary echo]

I rather fight a enabler over P diddy

[foggy cliff]

Ah so S2 not S3

[magic wind]

Yeah in many cases it’s not a bad Idea to use her S2 before her S3 depending on what your up against

[deep pawn]

this game after the shadow nerfs and bricking of accounts

[rich granite]

Man I really love this game and hope it doesn’t come down to this but they need to make some changes in how they operate. A great starting point would be to revert the changes they made to the bosses

[unique scaffold]

Hopefully they respond in a couple hours

and hope they’re good changes

[magic wind]

I ain’t gonna doom post and hope it was just a mistake but they 💯 need to address this as soon as possible in a satisfactory way.

[stuck delta]

wait i just realized they also lied about how they name debuffs...even in game it says for shells "extends the duration of non-control debuffs inflicted by the owner (ecluding dot)"

so they even classify it there as a non-control debuff

[hollow iris]

Depends on ur bank, mine allowed me to.

[weak basin]

I can’t scroll up, what was the buffs?

[sly zinc]

Terror more HP, more Turn Meter- Resistance (is this thing even exist before), Aurora immune to DOT

[hollow iris]

one boss immune to DoT (lmao rip sania) and another hp and damage buff

and the other buffs ale mentioned

[weak basin]

Why would they nurf shadow sania? Girl was struggling as is😭 🙏

[hollow iris]

because they hate fun and efficiency at clearing the pve content

I mean why only 5 resets :p

[weak basin]

Damn. So lucky that she is the only one that dodged me am I right?

[hollow iris]

So people who made mistakes can stay bricked

[weak basin]

4 costs gems

[hollow iris]

yep that 2

[weak basin]

Well damn. Was debating spending money but gonna hold off if they keep pulling shit like this

Did bros go to the Lilith games school of engineering?

[hollow iris]

I already submitted a charge back request, i have time to cancel it but i wont if what i see is poop

[small tendon]

No wonder terro felt harder lmao

Stealth mode

[weak basin]

Thank god I finished Lian’s terror mission before the patch

[feral knoll]

So, um...they actually cool with doing this to us?

[weak basin]

They may be asleep still

[feral knoll]

at 10am?

[weak basin]

Yeah

[unkempt basin]

Disappointing, not any semblance of damage control

[weak basin]

Why do you think Google has napping chairs in their office

[sly zinc]

Its almost 10am there now, so if they say nothing in the next 3 hours mean their lunch break is more important than us lol

[feral knoll]

Because they actually work

unlike these people apparently

[weak basin]

Wdym they are working || to screw us ||

[spiral wedge]

plz dont nerf diting im about to build him 😭

[weak basin]

They forgot him last patch

Someone send that grim reaper meme

[feral knoll]

they nerfed him via terror hp increase

[spiral wedge]

will he get a direct nerf tho next patch

[feral knoll]

he should

[weak basin]

Why wait for next patch

[feral knoll]

if dot teams are too much wait til they see 15 second clear times in shell farming

[hollow iris]

next hotfix Massiah bug def ignore wasnt meant to work on dokidoki 🙂

[small tendon]

They probably need some time to figure out what to do

Instead of rushing to make a statement

[hollow iris]

how to be more evil?

Or efficiently evil

[rich granite]

Change that to wasn’t meant to work at all and it was a bug in all the betas

[hollow iris]

I suggest nerfing massiah, rosa, tiamat again, Lingluo and sania.

[small tendon]

Moderately evil

[graceful dust]

you suggesting EoS faster

[hollow iris]

Im suggesting how to be more evil

[frail cape]

No more patches incoming, just quiet nerfs overnight

[hollow iris]

since thats what they're up to

[flat anchor]

me, I'm stuck on nightmare 3

[small tendon]

But yeah they need some.time

I doubt they wanna brick their own game after paying so much for marketing

[hollow iris]

Diting also no longer can crit against terrormaton, he just has a anti diting buff.

[small tendon]

They just bad at doing patch notes and communicating changes

[frail cape]

I'll be surprised if they don't end up making all SRs trash

[rich granite]

The best course of action for them is to admit what they changed and change it all back to beta values. It would skyrocket player sentiment that there is a chance we can work with the devs to create a healthy long lasting game

[hollow iris]

this goes a lil beyond that

[weak basin]

They forgot doki had a passive that ignored passives that ignored passives

[small tendon]

This was the result of them not communicating changes properly. Snowball effect

[rich granite]

Way beyond. They fundamentally changed bosses and didn’t say a word

[flat anchor]

the light prowess is dogwater the Massiah + enemies having a shield + turn steal + being super fast just leaves you half dead before you get a turn

[feral knoll]

Gonna be honest, bad take

[willow wraith]

yeah this isnt not "not communicating properly" this is lying

[sly zinc]

they have 4 betas and 3 more extra weeks to change stuff and they decide to do it on launch, perfect

[hollow iris]

They allowed the dupe situation to even be a issue, they made pve content insanely difficult and with potential for people to brick themselves and now they're even going after players who made a smart niche investment

[small tendon]

We cant conclude for sure that they're doing this with malicious intent.

[flat anchor]

This is why I requested the Devs to tell us why they're doing the things they're doing.
Guess that Feedback didn't go through.

[hollow iris]

like come on lmao

[hoary echo]

First impressions from the dev beyond a let down

[small tendon]

All we can do is wait for them to say something

[willow wraith]

yes we can

[feral knoll]

yes you can

[willow wraith]

this is in beta and current

[hollow iris]

it comes across as so malicious that for it to not be would just be pure incompetence

[weak basin]

How many more dots we need?

[rich granite]

Honestly they may just gloss over it and announce the new units and upcoming events. (That’s what a guild mate just said and sadly I believe it could be true)

[swift falcon]

I think them pushing back the patch from 9PM to 3AM shows at least a bit of intent.

[feral knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-trump-2024-trump-dancing-trump-dance-i-see-you-gif-18238543777420077119

[willow wraith]

tell me how calling this a fix isn't a lie

[small tendon]

If they do that they're just screwing themselves over

[graceful dust]

those VIP777 codes may save the game

[rich granite]

They may not care

[flat anchor]

Reworked Hoyan gonna drop with a "Applies DoT that ignores DoT resist + does nuke dmg"

[willow wraith]

peak avatar tho

[feral knoll]

i guess we refunding then

rip

[small tendon]

I find it hard to believe a business would brick themselves like that. Its just stupid if they really gloss over it

[swift falcon]

Nah, look how quickly the community moved on from the dupe drama. They gave vague promises about extra daily stamina, and people were in full "devs listened" mode

[frail cape]

That's my thought. Wouldn't be the first to time some company does something garbage and just waits for the outrage to die down

People don't stay mad forever, they get distracted and move on eventually

[rich granite]

Think about it this way. They made all these changes and didn’t say a word just hoping we wouldn’t notice or care enough to say anything. Why would they care now

[silver vault]

I definitely won't be spending anymore money on the game if this is how they are going to do things.

[spiral wedge]

plzzzz spare diting for a little more im about build himmm i have nooo dps T-T

[swift falcon]

first gacha game?

[flat anchor]

so far most bosses became characters I kinda want Astarte

[rich granite]

Happens a lot..

[small tendon]

Been playing gachas for over 10 years

[rich granite]

Exactly this

[small tendon]

Lots of stupid devs sure

I choose to hope i guess

[hollow iris]

diting ult modifier was a bug, sorry its been reduced to the correct amount

[rich granite]

This is literally the epitome of stupid dev decisions. The list of changes is so long we don’t even know them all and they wouldn’t have told us anything unless we pointed it out

[flat anchor]

The main problem is this game doesn't have the reach to ignore players

[small tendon]

Ya'll can always make a stand by using the app store ratings

[frail cape]

All they'll actually care about is how this affects their bottom line, and if people keep playing and spending, they'll learn they can do this and totally get away with it

[flat anchor]

Black Beacon didn't have the reach to try shady things either

[rich granite]

Nope. This game is too small right now to ignore this

[small tendon]

Like so many players have donr before so many times in so many games

[rich granite]

People will charge back and quit

[atomic yew]

truth I did exactly this

[frail cape]

People say that, but not all will. I hope the company doesn't continue like this, but they possibly will

[rich granite]

Review bombing takes a massive coordinated effort and the casual player of this game has no idea what’s going on right now

[hollow iris]

looks like this company needed the "dont be evil" motto ✊

[flat anchor]

ya know

has anybody seen c the entire day?

[hollow iris]

yes

[flat anchor]

was he here?

[hollow iris]

poor guy is just a middleman

yea

[flat anchor]

I'm suprised the thread was kept up this long

[hollow iris]

He cant calm the mob and has no ground to stand on can only call for us to not abuse eachother

[flat anchor]

It's kinda just become a general "disagreement with the hotifx" thread

[rich granite]

Oh yeah he told us just be patient and left

[rich granite]

It’s more than just a hot fix. This is about them changing numerous things and not telling us

[flat anchor]

Well those things were done in the "hotfix"

[feral knoll]

actually, im just going to charge back my $1000

i was going to wait for a response

but nah

[rich granite]

Exactly. We aren’t wrong in what we’re saying and we aren’t doing anything against server tos

[hollow iris]

i started the charge back process and thought i'll cancel it if the news is good news. Sooner im refunded the better

and if they take to long for the news, then fuck em

[rich granite]

The HP and damage buff for all module bosses and the Turn meter protection buff for terror and aurora were before the hot fix

[last temple]

Also unit stat changes

Such as marvell losing 4 base speed

Going from 115, to 111

Who knows what other units are changed

[hollow iris]

Listen he was just to fast

To good

[flat anchor]

wait wdym turn meter protection

[hollow iris]

Get a mio

[last temple]

I don't disagree with the change, I disagree with us not knowing about it

[hollow iris]

ty

[rich granite]

It’s only 10am in Shanghai so it’ll take time

[hollow iris]

i was sarcastic

[last temple]

Ah

[flat anchor]

I mostly disagree with the dot change because wtf do you do with Sania now

[last temple]

My bad

[last temple]

Oh yeah the dot change is dumb

[flat anchor]

like you can't have a dot unit that can't use dot

[last temple]

I fully disagree with it

[rich granite]

They reduce how much turn meter down your team does in hell and inferno now

[last temple]

I would rather they reduced how much damage DoT does rather than kill it outright

[sly zinc]

man maybe im cursed, i played King Raid, doom patch happened a month later, i played Outerplane, they cut gems earned from stages in half, now i join this game on launch and it destroys itself within the first week lol.

[last temple]

Or keep it how it was

[flat anchor]

is that why Terror seems so much faster now?

[last temple]

I think he just is faster

[hollow iris]

no slower clear wont stop people from getting modules, gotta brick progress

[swift falcon]

Can you let us know which games you're going to ruin next so we can avoid them?

[last temple]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

[flat anchor]

The right arm makes it lap your units I didn't notice that the advance was that good in the beta

[last temple]

Yeah the advance feels way stronger now

[sly zinc]

i might jumped to E7 so i can release all the poor souls there from suffering

[rich granite]

Man stop bringing us bad luck brother man I was enjoying this game

[rich granite]

They have changed so much we can’t track all the changes

[glass plover]

Rlly hope they revert it back
I just finished max skilling fangus fua
Maybe ill use the animus reconfigure to get lattice back

[flat anchor]

Again I think the main issue is no communication

[rich granite]

They should just revert all these changes and come up with better ways to do content progression

[buoyant parcel]

typical asian company ....they make thier community angry.

[rich granite]

Yup that’s what we’ve been saying for hours

[flat anchor]

if they want us to progress slower I'd be cool with it if they just said hey guys we'd like progression to be a bit slower so we did xyz

[last temple]

This, if the changes were all in the patch notes this would be avoided

[last temple]

Agreed

[rich granite]

To an extent. Like we shouldn’t have to deal with insane amounts of extra gating. There is a limit to how much they can slow us before it becomes obnoxious

[buoyant parcel]

i swear all asian company 0 communication 😄 .....

[flat anchor]

And again as for DoT I just don't get that change at all

Like S Sania is just a brick now

it bricks your account

[last temple]

Yeah S Sania only good for Terror now, but that's it

[rich granite]

She works for end game grim pursuit

For now…

[last temple]

Even then Diting probably out performs anyway

Yeah for now

Who knows when those will get 'fixed'

[rich granite]

Idk man seeing all these changes diting may not cut it for inferno clears

[last temple]

Maybe

[flat anchor]

that's not very useful if you can't get to endgame because lol

[last temple]

It's definitely gonna be close

[rich granite]

I was literally saying yesterday I felt like my diting was hitting way less now even with higher stats than beta

[flat anchor]

I'm literally avoiding investing in him now

[rich granite]

Bingo

[flat anchor]

I want them to respond first

[last temple]

Yeah I probably won't invest in diting at this point

[flat anchor]

Aintnoway I'm wasting ressources

[rich granite]

Now watch Holden come out and just smack terrormaton

[last temple]

Yeah that's either cause they shadow nerfed maybe, or cause Terror was buffed

[last temple]

This will happen probably

What element was holden

I forget

[flat anchor]

I really am curious what they'll do for Hoyan

she's RGB too

[sly zinc]

Green

[flat anchor]

based on the new image

[last temple]

I see

[atomic sundial]

Does anyone have a picture of Marvell's speed when he's 3 star?

[last temple]

Yeah

[flat anchor]

yea a Green unit

[rich granite]

All the bosses were buffed. I checked some beta vods and my stats are higher for terror and doki compared to the speed beta clears and im not clearing as fast

[atomic sundial]

I wanna check something

[rich granite]

Holden is red

[last temple]

Even Doki?

[rich granite]

Hoyan is green

[last temple]

Hmm

Holden is red

Idk if this is allowed to be shared

So I'll delete that

Just in case

[flat anchor]

Holden for Terror and Hoyan for....for doki?

[last temple]

But yes he's red

[rich granite]

Mhm mhm. My Rilmocha stats are higher than multiple videos I saw and I’m not one shotting hell 4 like multiple people in beta were

[rigid meteor]

L devs on changes on how dot works on PvE

[last temple]

Jeez

[rich granite]

She was single target in beta

[flat anchor]

are we expecting her to have the same kit?

[rich granite]

Yeah so the enemies have to be buffed. I have defense down, attack up, kazuya sleep, into Ril damage and she doesn’t one shot with higher stats than beta Rils. I find it sus

[last temple]

Uhh