Shadow Buff Terrormaton and Aurora.

[stuck delta]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-fry-mcdonalds-2024-pennsylvania-gif-8847016649405023570

[gleaming rover]

farm terror for the next year you might get enough dmg gear to safe the account

[willow wraith]

yeah 100% sets a precedent that LD5s can and will get gutted with no heads or comp

[odd berry]

https://tenor.com/view/farcry3-vaas-island-insanity-49685-gif-13374786

[open knoll]

dmg gear is pretty useless if you dont have immunity and you get claped xD

[gleaming rover]

exactly

[odd berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/611021189908791327/837045779424215060/image0_1.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/611021189908791327/837045793424146552/image1.gif

[warm canyon]

w/e will keep posted if anything happens to my ticket.

gonna play something else. cya peeps

[stuck delta]

i feel like every single person in this game thought shadow sania was basically safe from nerfs and if anything would get buffed lol

[gleaming rover]

bro is just here to be rent free in my head

[stuck delta]

considering how complete dogshit she was in all but 2 places

[odd berry]

im always by u

[willow wraith]

yeah lmao

[odd berry]

free penthouse

[odd berry]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-lee-be-water-bruce-lee-be-water-water-can-flow-or-it-can-crash-gif-7127477958842109404

[open knoll]

well the whole point of her was to have a pve unit that does something. now shes can be used in terror but who gives a f about that

[stuck delta]

oh great an ld ssr for what diting can do faster lol

[gleaming rover]

help complain

[odd berry]

nah i enjoy the reading

[willow wraith]

in need of more soldiers

[gleaming rover]

then dont type mfer

[odd berry]

wow wow wow

[willow wraith]

no no keep typing xd

[odd berry]

keep calm stepbro

[gleaming rover]

ok stepsis my bad

[odd berry]

[gleaming rover]

i would take you over my shdow sania everyday

[odd berry]

bent over!

[gleaming rover]

you are the sis dumbass

[odd berry]

neva

[gleaming rover]

but fr stay on topic

[odd berry]

u gone off topic bruh

[gleaming rover]

i dont want to give them a reason to be able to close this thread

[odd berry]

💀

[willow wraith]

i hate to say it, but i'd trade Shadow sania for them as well.

[gleaming rover]

[odd berry]

true need some funny stuff to read

[gleaming rover]

like your shit take that fangus is ok without DoT?

[willow wraith]

kujira plat giving us a smile on a rainy day 🙏

[odd berry]

take yukis fangus

he hits like a truck

[gleaming rover]

this guy will bomb you with goon pics on rainy days

[willow wraith]

O_O

[odd berry]

[willow wraith]

ill definitely trade sania for you then

[odd berry]

nono i dont write what i want to write here

its to evil

[gleaming rover]

beta

[odd berry]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-angry-food-huhnchen-mit-reis-with-rice-gif-14444698

lit. u atm

[gleaming rover]

bro i cant believe we always turn topics to shit

lets just not type ok?

[odd berry]

we are the nr. 1 shittalkers

[willow wraith]

The rage still exists

[gleaming rover]

yes the silent rage is in me

[odd berry]

never!

[odd berry]

https://tenor.com/view/nimm-runter-runter-nimm-manuellsen-manuellsen-nimm-runter-gif-27656979

[willow wraith]

We've just gotten to the point people are going to create other threads to complain about the same thing

[gleaming rover]

they will only read the biggest one tho

[odd berry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-moar-more-i-want-more-mooaar-gif-23786940

[open anvil]

its even updated on prydwen that ssania is t5 now xD

[willow wraith]

yeah its just people not knowing what this thread is complaining about what they want to complain about

t0 to t5 rip

[gleaming rover]

why does this unit even exist now

[open anvil]

who?

[foggy dome]

only for terrormaton lol

[gleaming rover]

shadow sania

[open anvil]

whos that?

[gleaming rover]

what a waste bruuuuuh

[willow wraith]

to make you spend hoping to get a useable LD5 when you look at the trash in your inventory xd

[gleaming rover]

ssania?

[willow wraith]

cant even set her as your profile pic by having her

[gleaming rover]

you rat what am i seeing

[odd berry]

sry my opinion xd

with low invest

[gleaming rover]

bro i just argued that DoT is not a cheese team

[odd berry]

u shouldnt allowed to clear

[gleaming rover]

nah you brick

10gold lattice and 20 purple is low invest?

[odd berry]

yesterday u said jsut s1

i took you by this

[gleaming rover]

yea on lily and sania

[odd berry]

and that isnt high invest for the "hardest" content

tbh

[willow wraith]

you did this

[gleaming rover]

it is for the current state

only a spender can have that amount

[odd berry]

its not even week 1 done (day wise) and u want to beat inferno

[gleaming rover]

yes

[odd berry]

https://tenor.com/view/farcry3-vaas-island-insanity-49685-gif-13374786

[gleaming rover]

also khloros and diting are also clearing hell 4

with less invest

[stuck delta]

tbf ssania can too

[gleaming rover]

you are rlly … idk man

[willow wraith]

also lily is still a much better investment than sania before the nerf

[gleaming rover]

yea ik but he is saying ssania needs less invest

[odd berry]

as i said my opinion and i said u thats not ok to shadow nerf the units jsut should do in patch

[timid rose]

not rly

[willow wraith]

aint no way a f2p has 10 gold lattices

[timid rose]

i got more as f2p lol

i got 14

[willow wraith]

what da hell

[stuck delta]

yeah youd be higher if you already hit the refreshes

like arena

[odd berry]

and tell u what u get enough in a month for a whole ssr

when the game survive till that

[willow wraith]

in a month everyone who is hardcore will be farming any inferno

[gleaming rover]

no we ssania gamers wont hahaha

[willow wraith]

xd

S Sania 6/4-6/10 rip

[gleaming rover]

lasted the same amount as my toxic ex

[odd berry]

💀

[willow wraith]

i guess that was what her kit was alluding too

[stuck delta]

a month?

shit itll be less than a week

[gleaming rover]

bro i swear i cant believe you, let me expose you

[stuck delta]

unless they also ninja buffed doki inferno

[willow wraith]

ye for sure just saying people will be long done caring about how fast you can get there was Sania

[odd berry]

[gleaming rover]

this plat dude just last month wanted to refund and called XD a shit company

now he is bum licking

[odd berry]

huh

[stuck delta]

f2p cant refund

[odd berry]

and u live in asmongolds attic

@gleaming rover

[gleaming rover]

asmongold is my goat

[sage kelp]

it is a little worrisome to "invest" in units now and not even offering any kind of reset when lattice time gate is real for a majority of the players. It should be at least a free reset for 2 units that are core in DoT teams at least.

[odd berry]

roach

[tulip patio]

They are trying to protect the cool kids at the top because they went in with thousands of dollars and farmed speed gear, and Aurora makes that irrelevant with blood bath and bulwark. You can’t have people being too efficient! Punish those who chose a patient approach and bypassed the speed meta slave approach. Good job devs

[gleaming rover]

tbf alot of the top players that didn‘t even build DoT were here to support this thread

[willow wraith]

yeah its quite bad for everyone, because if they'll do this to sania they'll do it to anyone else they want.

[frail cape]

This is the issue

[tulip patio]

Ah, ok. I’m glad to hear it. If that’s the case, I’m sorry. I just can’t see why else they would do it though.

I have the entire team 6 starred. I reconfigured for them, and now I’m stuck with them. I can’t clear terror or Doki. My plan was to farm Aurora with the gear I got from farming Doki early. I’m pretty ticked off and about to quit. I came into the game with 1k vouchers. I’m not knocking spending, I just don’t like favoritism for those who are going to be in the 16 person tournament, and what they seem to think the upper echelon of players is. Every single one went for Mio. Imagine Mio being hard countered by Bloodbath/Bulwark. they nerfed it right around the timeline that players could farm it.

[foggy cliff]

Ngl if they do even adjustments, they should give resets

[tulip patio]

I agree completely. I can even progress now. I’m stuck farming Nico Nana.

[gleaming rover]

yea i feel you, i had the same plan

[stuck delta]

it kinda just makes you not even want to play

[willow wraith]

same here a lot of us are kinda screwed now

[gleaming rover]

now im stuck farming dmg gear to build teams for other content

[stuck delta]

like im not even screwed because i semi whaled and can farm it all regardless

but it ruins your enjoyment knowing how they are acting

[tulip patio]

Yea, that’s exactly where I’m at. Do they actually follow these threads? Are they at least listening to this?

[stuck delta]

judging by what happened in the balance patches, no

[gleaming rover]

if it gets big enough

[willow wraith]

oh absolutely i'd feel the same even if i whaled but wanted to use S Sania

[tulip patio]

Same

[sage kelp]

nerfs hit S . Sania like this. (dont click actual spoilers)

[willow wraith]

canon sania

its honestly crazy the thread has gotten as big as it has without anything being said except for a mod.

[tulip patio]

Did any of you send a customer support ticket in game? I sent 3. The first one was a bug report because I didn’t know. The second one was me being confused and asking if it was true. The last was asking for compensation. Or my vouchers back for another account.

[willow wraith]

I sent a ticket, they ignored me, but i did it later then a lot of others.

[tulip patio]

I haven’t gotten a response yet

[willow wraith]

ah okay so same boat atm

[odd berry]

just hope they react in some way to this here

[willow wraith]

i mean 100% mods are monitoring this, but i assume staff is radio silent

if they had heard anything of substance i'm sure we'd see a post

[open anvil]

i havnt gotten a response yet either

[tulip patio]

True

[odd berry]

oh c is online

[oak magnet]

heh

garbage

launch

letting ppl a week in focusing their resources then u just hotfixed for the luls

[stuck delta]

its like 2am there

[willow wraith]

the frequent patches are fine if not good, but yeah this isnt even a day one change this is when people have already invested and they just have the rug pulled out from under them.

[oak magnet]

fr, whats the point

instead of expanding S1 capacity

they made s2

which is still on S1 systems

just to make some quick cash on noobs

[granite narwhal]

XD doing what XD does best. Zero trust in this company now - between the 'no dupes in RTA' lies and these shady shadow nerfs

[willow wraith]

i agree with Strugglebusses they did this to make aurora farming take longer, screwing anyone in their way.

[granite narwhal]

Devs killing their own game. Great now I got one less thing to worry about as I wait for CZN

[oak magnet]

fr

[willow wraith]

i feel like SoV was a much harder game to manage than this game tho

so the level of screw up makes way less sense

The dupe drama, i didnt like the lies at all, but them affecting RTA makes sense, its just BS they tried to get people interested on false promises. This is way worse in my mind.

[steel ravine]

no dupes in RTA was because of content creators spreding false information

XD responsability on it was not noticing it earlier that it was being spread the way it was

(because many of the community managers here on discord were aware of it)

[willow wraith]

I literally saw screenshots of discord staff agreeing it was true

[steel ravine]

this nerf situation is a complete different degree of messed up

[willow wraith]

that could be fake im not entirely sure

[stiff wave]

holy shit this is so bad

[steel ravine]

discord staff were content creators

most of the mods here are content creators

[willow wraith]

okay then i didnt realize that

[stiff wave]

fixed btw, is that how they told their mods to present a brand new mechanic

[odd berry]

glorp as example

[odd berry]

still have the ss of him

[steel ravine]

some garbage tier content creators got the role of a mod here and was just randomly stating their opinion/guess as facts

really bad move to spam mods to anyone by XD

[willow wraith]

yeah im not familar with who is content creator and who is actually mods

[steel ravine]

I think there are 2-3 only, "c" is the only one I know (there are a few others with only letters as their name but I am not 100% sure about them)

[willow wraith]

Well i hope C will consider our opinions if they are the most active staff

[patent sonnet]

compensation

[gritty notch]

is Rosa kinda nerfed too with the change from Anger to Cursed Shield?

[willow wraith]

it seems that way

[steel ravine]

information from only these matter

[willow wraith]

oh no

wrath has the same as anger in the updated one

[steel ravine]

everyone else with mod status has no direct relationship with XD, they have as much info as anyone else

[gritty notch]

Ah ye.

[willow wraith]

ah okay, and C is just usually the most active one?

so then what is a manager then? is that not just an actual mod?

[stuck delta]

community managers are generally much different than discord mods

[gritty notch]

community manager, i think they have direct connection with devs, arent they?

[willow wraith]

okay so they are more able to communicate concerns

[stuck delta]

unless i dreamt it, chris (c) is the one in the hyperlink video

[gritty notch]

The trial mods are those that are not reliable

[gritty notch]

Ye thought so too

[gleaming rover]

yea he is

but tbh sometimes i have a feeling that even with them there is lack of communication

and only the chinese dudes really know whats going on

[gritty notch]

Possibly

[stuck delta]

chris has been a godsend for us

but theres only 1 of him

[willow wraith]

that makes sense, at the end of the day it just means they work for the company.

[gritty notch]

I smell a saint/tectone video about this, maybe

[last temple]

Yeah putting more awareness on it would be great

So the devs don't just let it fly over most people

[gleaming rover]

ye ship it to the roach king

[willow wraith]

well if tectone makes a video there is a good chance asmon would react to it

[last temple]

True

[stuck delta]

the one time i would care that these 2 exist

[willow wraith]

lmao

[patent sonnet]

just revert the nerfs or buff Sania

[stuck delta]

please be the latter, and asap

[odd berry]

and maybe to batos attic aka asmons

[last temple]

How would we want them to buff her though

More damage?

[stuck delta]

by removing her and giving me a random LD roll

[patent sonnet]

yeah! so that people are happy

[gritty notch]

Lowkey, i had sudden no desire to play or like hope for devs. But let’s see in the next 4-6 days what will happen 😂

[last temple]

Lmfaoo

[patent sonnet]

or this

[willow wraith]

give her passive a 30% counter attack as well for pvp

[stuck delta]

her kit needs a complete rework tbh...she needs true damage when something is immune to dots for starters

[last temple]

Honestly

Another counter attacker would be fun

[patent sonnet]

yeah counter attacker is ok

[gleaming rover]

just turn her into a crazy diting that one shots, GG

[stuck delta]

cant have counter, too op in pve /s

[last temple]

True

[patent sonnet]

why? in epic 7 there are a lot of counter attackers

[willow wraith]

they are joking

[gleaming rover]

dw buddy that meta will also come here soon enough

[odd berry]

how old is e7 and how old is etr

[last temple]

Isn't e7 like 8 years old

[willow wraith]

thats the easiest buff i can see, just forget about her aurora usefulness pivot her for pvp. innate counter chance would let her be a good solo unit for pvp.

[odd berry]

something like that yes

[patent sonnet]

yeah but the counter unit came out after a year

[last temple]

Yeah she would be good in a tanky team that way for pvp

[stuck delta]

with true dmg please

[last temple]

I see I see

[patent sonnet]

also, this game is a fast forwarrded version of epic 7 when it released

[last temple]

Interesting

[willow wraith]

yeah this game is basically year 5-6 of e7 day one

maybe even 6-7 lol

gear sets and shells are way crazier then e7 tho

[stuck delta]

on a serious note

why the fuck was a dot ssr an LD

what brain damaged intern came up with that idea

[willow wraith]

we would assume because she was powerful, but i guess not

its definitely a bad design choice

[stuck delta]

well since she got nerfed, youd be right

[last temple]

Yeah it is interesting

[willow wraith]

i agree if you wanted someone like her you could tweak with less blowback a RGB SSR makes way more sense

[last temple]

For sure, I think they made her an LD so she could be used everywhere... but apparently that became an issue

[willow wraith]

you really don't wanna willy nilly nerf LD5s especially 6 days in with a pve nerf that is her only niche

[last temple]

Oh yeah 100%

[timid rose]

tbf there was alot of content where she was useless anyway

resist dot isnt a new mechanic

[last temple]

Yeah there's definitely a few cases where they resist dot

Mainly union boss

[timid rose]

yh i feel she was already balanced

[last temple]

I agree

[willow wraith]

they really could of just increased aurora's res, so you need high eff acc, but na just immunity xd

[timid rose]

and also useless in pvp

she wasnt even that crazy

[last temple]

If they thought she was clearing too fast, they should have just lowered the DoT damage in inferno and hell maybe

[patent sonnet]

they shouldnt nerf units for pve, only foor pvp tbh

[last temple]

Like down to 3% in hell and 2.5% in inferno if they really wanted

[open knoll]

dumb thing is, why not make terror also immune to dots, why only aurora. devs make no sense

[willow wraith]

i agree just saying

[last temple]

I think they picked aurora because she's supposed to be the 'hard' boss I guess

Seeing that she unlocks at lvl 30 and all

[stuck delta]

most would say she was the 2nd worst ssr overall

[last temple]

I agree 100%, she has her high highs and her low lows

Tradeoff

[timid rose]

yh exactly

[last temple]

And she's also one of the few super team reliant characters

[timid rose]

crazy how the marvell nerf didnt affect him in pvp at all

[open knoll]

well thats the thing, we used a "RARE" unit that was useless in the hard content that we need for our pvp teams.
now we have a "RARE" unit that does easy content only on manual that other units can auto.

big brain devs

[last temple]

So she needs to be specifically built with characters that are otherwise not that good without her as well

[stone drum]

any response from devs?

[timid rose]

yh they can just do that just like they did with turn meter

[raw adder]

The devs still hasn't responded right?

[last temple]

Yep

[last temple]

Not so far

[knotty star]

Man,

I just saw the nerf and,

I don't have Shadow Sania but I feel bad for those who build her...

And most importantly,

Worry about the future's balance direction.

[last temple]

This would have been the better way to do it, and also including these changes in the patch notes

[timid rose]

surely they give us LD selector and a ferrari as compensation anything less than that and am quitting tbh

[last temple]

These are BIG changes, literally meta shifting for hell and inferno

[timid rose]

yea

[raw adder]

Lets see how they respond

[last temple]

Yeah, I am a bit worried about that too, but I'm even more worried about the lack of communication and shadow changes

[raw adder]

But iirc for E7 if a ML unit get reworked or major nerf they give a selector for it

[last temple]

That's interesting

Very kind system though

[knotty star]

True...

All recent games like Wuwa had a shaky start but they bounced back and that's why they succeed...

I geniunely hope the same with this game.

[raw adder]

But again, it's all about how the devs will respond.

[last temple]

True the Wuwa bounceback was crazy though

[raw adder]

E7 had a shitty start as well and now they're still doin well. Just need to see how this goes

[odd berry]

the goat said it

[deft cloud]

So they Killed dot teams

[timid rose]

i just hope they listen cuz this game is the most fun i have had in a gacha game in ages

[knotty star]

I'm having a lots of fun as well

[raw adder]

I'm sure they will, community always win regardless

[stuck delta]

give them to at least 6pm EST

its sleepy time in china

[stuck delta]

community hasnt won shit in this game

[last temple]

True

[timid rose]

idk some beta testers said that in all the previous beta they listened

but well these were betas

we will see

[stuck delta]

id say they listen to cc but we know thats not true given the dupe fiasco lol

[patent sonnet]

dupes should be included tbh

no sense not including them :))

@stuck delta you're complaining tooo much fam 🙂 relax

[last temple]

I agree 100%, it's just how the whole thing unfolded and when a lot of their sponsored streamers were saying that yk

[stuck delta]

theyve given no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt

not going to act like they have

[patent sonnet]

if you have the game so much then quit

will make your life more peaceful 🙂

hate*

[stuck delta]

the game can be fun and have scummy devs

not mutually exclusive

[patent sonnet]

well i hope they make the community happy

[stuck delta]

also who says my life isnt peaceful? because im calling them out on lying?

[patent sonnet]

well you seem stressed bro 🙂

you've been complaining since May 31

[olive needle]

Where do you even find the information regarding this update? I cant seem to find it anywhere.

[split linden]

because it's a shadow update

[patent sonnet]

need too relax brotha, i spent 600 bucks on the game but im relaxed 🙂

[stone drum]

whats the content creators take on the issue do they care about playbase or just money

[stuck delta]

cherry picking messages is cringe af

[patent sonnet]

not cherry picking, just checked your earliest messageand you really do hang here a lot :))

[olive needle]

how do ppl know its a shadow update if there is no official announcement? just one day dot doesnt work on aurora? thats it?

[foggy cliff]

Just remember E7 was like... 7 years ago. Completely different landscape. Far less competition

[stuck delta]

basically yes

[patent sonnet]

cringe is hanging on discord foor weeks complaining and still playing

if it doesn't serve you,walk away 🙂

[last temple]

Yes we figured it out by checking out vods from beta and confirming with screenshots, devs said they 'fixed' a bug for Aurora

[split linden]

People playing CBT can easily figure out the difference on terromaton and Aurora's resistance to dots just spawned out of nowhere

[patent sonnet]

this is true

well lets all hope foor the best! hope they revert the nerf to sania

[foggy cliff]

It was just vagueness: #announcement message

[olive needle]

so how did terror change? and is it across all difficulties?

[foggy cliff]

Literally didn't have DoT in the description before the update too

[split linden]

it's more about transparency and how they view the game

[foggy cliff]

Turn meter manipulation supposedly doesn't work

[stuck delta]

terror was on release and they nerfed turn meter

[split linden]

They can make changes but at least say it clearly and second, if you do it so suddenly, give players the choice to reset

[last temple]

Hell and Inferno only, 30% and 60% less effective respectively

[olive needle]

wait so marvel doesnt work at all vs terror now???

[foggy cliff]

Yup, resets atleast make it easier

[last temple]

For turn meter-

[stuck delta]

multiple betas and they decide after you can spend to make the change 6 days in lol

this type of activity is what has people mad

[olive needle]

I mean I can imagine some type of resistance in inferno. Its the highest difficulty basically

[last temple]

Yeah

[split linden]

when they released a patchnote 2 days before release lol

[patent sonnet]

and fix the communication

they should think before they act tbh :))

[split linden]

Indeed

and doing it again just after the drama dupe

it's really not professional

[patent sonnet]

the dupe was streamers fault

[stuck delta]

the dupe is their fault for allowing it to go unchecked

[olive needle]

i mean when I saw the release video with the 2 awkward stoners reading a script, I wasnt sure if they had they best vehicle of communication lol

[stuck delta]

its streamers they sponsored for the game

[stuck delta]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laughing-laugh-gif-13945267

[patent sonnet]

HAHAHAHA

[stuck delta]

at the end of the day, china numba 1

wait...im hearing the hp of hell terror got buffed last night too?

[patent sonnet]

maybe they were thinking of the f2p players

cause people getting gear too fast :))..

[stuck delta]

except the spenders were clearing things first and now they have gear and its harder for f2p lol

[late onyx]

they also buffed speed in doki to match the base spd increase from star level

[patent sonnet]

well lets see! its like 3-4am in China

hope they see this and do soomoething abouot it

[stuck delta]

this i havent noticed

[olive needle]

ya ive been struggling every step of the way, especially in terror. I cant even beat nightmare 3 yet. and to think that hell is next is more than daunting

[late onyx]

I can’t believe some people actually said that the spd from ascenscion was a good change

[stuck delta]

im on doki hell 4 but i didnt notice a change personally

[last temple]

Yeah I think the doki hell speed seems consistent with beta

Still outspeeding hell 2 at 208 speed, which is about the same that it was in the beta

I believe they were clocked at about 203 speed

So unless hell 3 and 4 are changed, it seems to be the same

[patent sonnet]

same

[pine jasper]

just dish out 5 free resets

or more we got alot of ppl who bricked XD

[last temple]

Yeah I could definitely use a reset or two

I don't wanna use any more of my gems

[stuck delta]

just reset it back to 0 and refund any gems spent

rework ssania in the coming days/weeks

[last temple]

I wonder how they would rework her

hm

I guess there's really no way to tell, but honestly I would like a counter attack on her passive as well like mentioned earlier

[pine jasper]

i mean its hard to "fix" bc sania isnt ona limited banner so if you pulled her you jsut got her randomly nerfd or not

[last temple]

Yeah

[pine jasper]

so best would be give some resets out for free

so ppl can refund the dot team

[wary oar]

Devs first gacha game?

[stuck delta]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[stuck delta]

no but its pretty universally agreed she was already bottom tier before this

like hoyan she just needs to be removed and reworked

maybe save dots for a future character

[pine jasper]

she was top tier in 2 Tresholds and couple of shell farm

wouldnt call that bottom tier

[stuck delta]

A) fully team dependent
B) LD unit only useable in PVP

[graceful dust]

sounds like they EoSing soon so a refund might be smart to do

[stuck delta]

rarely do you ever see an LD unit that has zero use in PvP

[pine jasper]

Well we all agree they fuckd up

so lets see how they adress it

100 primogems inc

[graceful dust]

if they do that im going about my day

[low narwhal]

Apologems for nerf 💀

[last temple]

If they only give 100 gems that would be insane

Atleast throw us a mental stabilizer

[graceful dust]

bro nerfing a unit like that and making us spend money to reset them and its limited time if they throw me anything insulting like that isn't a refund or 2 Laplaces yellow and 2 purple

im quitting

revert the changes or give us something that will help longterm

[stuck delta]

so can we confirm terror got an hp buff?

[graceful dust]

hotfix now you magically can't clear Terror or all things

and the Dots dont work with shadow anymore

[foggy cliff]

Doki too and a speed buff

Never really had to worry about speed in beta tbh

[dreamy oak]

Nerfs and gacha don't mesh together. You'll just kill your own game. Test better, it's your own fault, devs. Also, no communication nor compensation? Ridiculous.

[split linden]

@clear wadi sorry for the ping but are the devs aware of the situation ?

[steel ravine]

for me the worst of the worst is treating it as a fix when it is clearly an intentional nerf

1. skill description before the "fix" matched the behavior, so not only they forgot to add dot immunity but also forgot to add the text of it in the skill description? hmmmmm

2. a good chunk of content creators made videos about using shadow sania on aurora as a fast clear if you have the investment. This was in the beta that lasted for 2 weeks and we had another 2 weeks before the release of the game, at the very least (if we don't count previous betas) they had 4 weeks to notice the "bug" (which would take a community manager or a QA related person a couple of hours researching this discord channel and/or the big content creators for the game)

it is clearly an intentional nerf with the gaslight of being a fix, extremely worrisome behavior

[uneven pine]

Have they released any official statement at all?

[open anvil]

100%

nope they havnt

[steel ravine]

the only official statement is that they fixed a bug for an aurora skill lol

[uneven pine]

For all we know it's a bug that DoT's don't work on it anymore.

Yeah, so more than likely, this is a bug from their prior "fix".

[steel ravine]

no no, they stated that they were going to fix a bug in the skill, implying that the bug was that aurora was not dot immune and she was supposed to be

which she never was, nor the description mentioned it

[stuck delta]

pooor guy added a fucking battery meter

[knotty star]

Btw,

Does Lian's skill 3 turn meter steal got nerfed as well in Hell/Inferno Terror?

Or only Marvell?

[steel ravine]

yes, it is a "turn meter-" type of effect

[knotty star]

I see

Thank you

I will reset her then

[steel ravine]

ditting is the way to go (until they nerf him too)

[stuck delta]

well they did since terror got hp buff

[steel ravine]

"fixed a bug on ditting skill set where he was too good and we don't like that"

[stuck delta]

supposedly

[knotty star]

Will spend the refund lattice on Messiah/Klo

[stuck delta]

im only farming doki

[knotty star]

AHAHHAHAHAH

[stuck delta]

so idk about the hp buff

[steel ravine]

I am not paying too much attention to terrormatron, I can 100% auto hell 2 and I can't do hell 3 on manual, feels a bit odd

[knotty star]

They gonna nerf all top-tier sr units in some way or another... aren't they?

[pine jasper]

felt like a hp buff for me or im tripping cause yesterday my diting nuked that filthy robot

[stuck delta]

yeah im hearing a few peeps saying diting isnt killing it anymore

so did s sania get a terror buff? lmfao

[pine jasper]

just hit us unlimited reset for 2 days

need to fix my account XD

that way we can test 2 days aswell since the bosses are diffrent now

[stuck delta]

or...heres a wild thing

hear me out

...they tell us what is different

[willow wraith]

yeah we get a "fixed" lie, but now apparently they just straight changed other bosses without saying anything. maybe because they can't just say "fixed" as a reason for that lmao

[knotty star]

They having a meta-shift in PvE first before pvp...

First time I have seen that.

[gleaming rover]

watch everyone shifting to diting and him getting a nerf next

[fresh sail]

agreed, this is kinda not ok, we should get compensation at least

[pine jasper]

some ppl cant even shift anymore

thats a bigger problem

[gleaming rover]

yüüüür im in that boat

[stuck delta]

yo hold up

wasnt this number 5 digits in beta?

thought we were getting like 14k in beta

[rare lintel]

terror got an hp buff very recently (like today) ?

[pine jasper]

with the hotfix apprently

[stuck delta]

no one has confirmed to me but they are saying their diting sucks now

so it seems like it?

[rare lintel]

wtf they are doing

like fucking communicate with us

[pine jasper]

dude i dont even know if you can clear stuff without specific ssr you have to pull

[inland vigil]

100 gems incoming maybe if we lucky.... 200 gems and a mental stabalizer!

[compact barn]

shadow nerfing character not even 1 week into game this game is cooked

[rare lintel]

shadow nerf week 1. what they gonna do in 2 months

[compact barn]

they should isue full character resets for free

[rare lintel]

yeah or like 200 crystals with a cooldown of many days idk

[crude sand]

I swear devs are on some hard stuff those days...

[compact barn]

and isn't it illegal to nerf characters in places as china and some other asian and EU countries

this was not balancing it was just straight up nerf

[pine jasper]

well they didnt change the kit of the unit they changed the pve content so idk about that

[stray kindle]

Yea they went around those rules lol

[worn bolt]

Free reset like 100 more times or we riot

[willow wraith]

thats why they make the boss immune instead of actually nerfing S Sania

[fresh sail]

i'll take 200g ems at least

its something

[crude sand]

Then whats the point of her existence now?

[stuck delta]

for you to know you got the worst ssr in the game

and your luck is dogshit

[pine jasper]

200 gems i nothing for someone who dropped all lettice into a unit that doesnt work on some content anymore

[compact barn]

To collect dust

[stuck delta]

she already needed a buff, now she needs a giga buff

[compact barn]

I got dupes of her

[worn bolt]

Calm down hun, it's not hard to be calm

[crude sand]

I guess they like refunds and drama.

[pine jasper]

jsut give out free reset thats the easiest solution and maybe smt on top for that terror buff

[crude sand]

@clear wadi Tell your bosses to stop smoking crack and fix this mess. Are they that high?

[willow wraith]

a reset isnt going to stop people being pissed idk why people keep suggesting that

[stuck delta]

do words hurt you that much?

[worn bolt]

Suddenly get angsty, pop u forgot to take your pill today?

[harsh basalt]

so what's the point of my l/d SSR unit that was already only good at pve? just baffling balance decisions

[steel ravine]

character resets don´t even band-aid the situation, imagine who saw 4 weeks ago a content creator saying that they dot team is pretty cool and useful so this person decides to spend his hard earned money on pulling on the permanent banner until they got the full dot team

[stuck delta]

im not even sure what youre getting at but its dumb af so goodbye

[pine jasper]

thsoe vids are old at this point thats on you if you dont do research

[worn bolt]

Bye hun, so long. Not gonna miss u btw

[steel ravine]

if aurora was supposed to be dot immune from the start and they forgot to implement it (which either they did or they are lying, it is not a bug if the description matches) they should just leave it as it is at this point

[crude sand]

Boys, dont fight each other, scream at those smooth brain who implemented the changes just to stall us, I bet.

[steel ravine]

too late of a opsie to just pretend it was a bug

[pine jasper]

free reset fixes alot of ppl accounts not including the dot fiasco

[stuck delta]

its clear they lied to elongate pvp farming lol

[willow wraith]

Shadow sania is useless now change her or something else people are just not going to spend in this game, somebody said early people didnt spend for sania that they got her randomly, but they don't understand people literally did spend to get Shadow Sania.

[worn bolt]

Ok back to the discussion, free reset or im gonna get angsty i mean riot

[pine jasper]

tahts cope ona unit that doesnt have a banner

[willow wraith]

are you new to gacha?

[harsh basalt]

to add: she's not good in pvp either--she deserves to have a niche, she's an SSR l/d unit

[willow wraith]

you know people spent 10k to get diluc when genshin came out?

[stuck delta]

her niche is benchwarmer

[white charm]

jebus this post still going strong. any official word from xd/staff?

[pine jasper]

i doubt anyone who can spent 10k aims for sania stop this nonsense

be logical

[knotty star]

None

Cn devs are still sleeping

[willow wraith]

then you dont understand whaling

[stuck delta]

i mean i do know some folks who whaled to get every single character

not the same as pulling straight forssania tho

[pine jasper]

whales look at tier lsit and get whats on top

[willow wraith]

there were people with all moonlight 5s day one on e7

[pine jasper]

i know whales

[crude sand]

ofc not

[willow wraith]

no you dont

[pine jasper]

they aint that smart

[foggy cliff]

Yeah there's major jumps from Hell II to Hell III in all content. Basically it seems like they want you to have farmed red modules before going into Hell III

[pine jasper]

let me srop 10k for s sania

sure

[stuck delta]

so then whats the rub with doki, because that shit is easy

[willow wraith]

lmao its not about being smart its about i have money im going to get all character even if there isnt a banner for them wtf are you talking about

[waxen rain]

time for a fresh start reset the servers! xd

[foggy cliff]

Idk I can auto Hell III but not Hell IV

[compact barn]

we complaining will mean jack to them maybe if CN riot it will get fixed but that is like every gatcha game they do not care about us pessants in global they only care about CN were real cash is made.

[white charm]

i'd be down. i have 4 kloss and 3 shadow sanias XD

[foggy cliff]

Well I can, just, 50% win rate

[pine jasper]

cn isnt even out yet

[stuck delta]

we're beta testers for CN

[foggy cliff]

Is CN behind us?

[willow wraith]

and its funny because CN 100% wouldnt put up with this

[compact barn]

oh so that mean we beta testing game for CN

basically what black beacon done

[stuck delta]

theyd riot on their release for us

[foggy cliff]

Btw what team you using for Doki IV

[inland vigil]

except they forget that even hell 4 gives u 10k silver and if you run it 100 times u end up with about 150 pieces of gear but the silver u gain (even if u scrap over 100 drops) u can only +15 roughly 1.5 of them

[stuck delta]

gray freya kloss kaz lily (was tiamat)

[willow wraith]

ill 100% put this on billibilli on their release if something isnt done about this

[foggy cliff]

That's on purpose though

[stuck delta]

i wish i had a ss to compare to beta...i really think the coins got nerfed too

[inland vigil]

yeah and so is shadow buffing terra and aurora what's your point

[foggy cliff]

Wait solo Grey DPS?

[stuck delta]

yes

[clear wadi]

devs are still asleep please stop pinging me and make sure to not argue and be toxic thank you

[compact barn]

Coins are not enough to fully roll for character gear

[willow wraith]

okay ty C

[stuck delta]

i did it in beta too and like 20 people said i couldnt do it again on release lol

[compact barn]

you need like what 5 to 10 milion silver to max out gear

[crude sand]

We can stop being toxic when they stop doing shit like this...

[foggy cliff]

What are your Grey's stats

[last temple]

This was a clear from inferno terror in beta

[stuck delta]

thick lmao

[last temple]

Around the same amount of coins

[stuck delta]

hm ok thanks

[willow wraith]

So what regions were released?

[foggy cliff]

...How long are your runs

[stuck delta]

i thought it was closer to 14k

[stuck delta]

2min

[rare lintel]

we can stop being toxic, but the way devs behave towards us is far more toxic :p

[pine jasper]

this looks random af how this workd

[last temple]

It didn't

Ah it didn't work in 2 mins anyway

It's not random though, it's Draks invincible team

[compact barn]

it's been 6 days only and this shitz already happening what will happen in future

[crude sand]

EOS, ty for playing.

[pine jasper]

shit can happen its the communication that worries me

[last temple]

I just grabbed a ss from his vod

[compact barn]

same

[knotty star]

We will see,

Depends on how and fast they would respond

[compact barn]

shadow dropping fixes is very scumy

[foggy cliff]

Doesn't track tbh, solo Grey DPS can't deal enough damage especially if you built him thick... What server and what IGN? I need to watch this

[pine jasper]

free resets and 2X whole week

sounds fair

[willow wraith]

yeah we gotta wait for them to wake up i guess

[gleaming rover]

see you guys in raid shadow legends

[last temple]

2x shells would be insane

[pine jasper]

right now i would like investigation and gp outpost more tbh

stack up

[last temple]

That's fair

Me too ngl

But assuming we get 2x events normally anyway... although they haven't announced it

So maybe we won't get the 2x events

[stuck delta]

StrugBus on global

[foggy cliff]

If we do have 2x, they'll announce it tomorrow

[last temple]

Yeah

They might pass it off as compensation for this if they think about it a bit

[compact barn]

it is so wierd that I am in the end of investigation and it feels like I getting same amount of things I got like from begining

[foggy cliff]

Ping me when you clear again, that looks like a fun thing to watch lmao

[last temple]

Yeah the current end of investigation feels bad

[compact barn]

yeah basicaly 10 clears gives you like maybe couple of levels for 5 or 6 star character

[last temple]

Yeah

Atleast it can drop summons

[compact barn]

I could look away about silver problem if they put on the place to grind it

[last temple]

I was hoping investigation would become that place in global

If investigation dropped 2x the coins that everywhere else dropped it would feel so much better

Anyway that should probably be it's own thread, so let's not get too off topic

[worn bolt]

Hell 4 back then not as hellish as what we facing rn. Dps gray was real. Now , gray cant even make a dent on hell 3 lol

[foggy cliff]

Yeah but he's saying he can do it right now

[worn bolt]

Wattt..

Well, talk is free btw. So yeah whatever lmao

[compact barn]

I speficily build team clear content yestarday made it up to hell today can't clear it anymore

feels bad man

[last temple]

Yeah that does feel bad

[compact barn]

idk what to build anymore

[last temple]

I haven't done hell terror cause I was focusing Doki to make a DoT team for that and aurora but now...

[compact barn]

I maxed out my rosa so at least she is good at clearing content

[last temple]

Yeah rosa is great

[compact barn]

my doki team still strong made it to hell today

[last temple]

I think I'll keep going for my DoT team but I might not invest in S Sania anymore

[last temple]

Big W

[compact barn]

Aurora I gave up cuz wanted to make a bit in terror but this happened

[stuck delta]

little slower but he missed killing a few things

not sure why they show different times lol

[foggy cliff]

It's real, I just saw it on Recent clear

[silver vault]

I'm 100% on board with this.

[foggy cliff]

Watching now

[stuck delta]

it said 2:27 in game, prob something else that sucks in this lol

[willow wraith]

the goat

[stuck delta]

enjoy, im going to feast on some pork chops with the fam lol

[worn bolt]

Mhm, so it's also doable now . Good great to know.

[foggy cliff]

Should have picked Kloss not RIl

[worn bolt]

On some point im gonna agree with that

[stuck delta]

this cant do inferno without tiamat shield/taunt tho

[compact barn]

I wanted to get Kloss too but I rolled rosa cuz I played her in beta

[foggy cliff]

Its a bit sweaty tbh but like, as long as its 70% reliable that sounds good to me lol. Kloss speed down so good for this too

[stuck delta]

i lost once because gray 1 shotted wave 1 earlier

hopefully we come back to a dev response

[willow wraith]

yeah no idea what time it is for them.

[compact barn]

I hope devs say something about this

[silver vault]

They should have had all of these balanced before launch.

[compact barn]

100%

[rocky coral]

[dawn portal]

welp used all my reset befor creating my dot team... i guess i can go cry in a corner....

[compact barn]

Honestly, with so many upcoming gacha games, developers need to do something to keep players engaged. Otherwise, people will leave for another gacha game that listens to its players.

[compact barn]

yes

[foggy cliff]

Lol I stabilized my run cause of your vid , I can auto relaibly now

[willow wraith]

yeah hopefully something gets done or we're all in that corner together

[foggy cliff]

The cost is..... slowing down Lily 😦

[rare lintel]

hell 4 ?

[foggy cliff]

Yup!

Gonna run 7 and see pass rate

It was 50% before lol

[rare lintel]

can you show your lily and rilmo ?

trying to run the same team but with kloss instead of gray

[compact barn]

on day one I rerolled 11 times didn't got Lily So I gave up and gone with best alrenative

[rare lintel]

Ty, you also max skilled rilmo S3 right ?

[foggy cliff]

Ofcourse lol

[rare lintel]

kinda same setup but didn't up lily S2

idk if this will change that much

[foggy cliff]

Lily S2 is just more damage later

4/4 runs on Doki Hell 4 so far. Okay I think I've made it lol

[rare lintel]

grats!

[digital crane]

Oh RIP I just found this thread after having already put some investment in DoT units lol..I was just starting to push them up and did a search for Obol to see if he was worth doing before or after Fangus, and found this thread. Well RIP. At least I didn't waste yellow lattices, would be much worse.

[waxen rain]

At the very least they need to give us free multiple resets so we can reset our dot teams

[willow wraith]

if you're fine with them just giving resets not balancing Shadow Sania, don't spend any money because i promise them game will fail. This won't be the last time they gut a LD5 for bullshit reasons if people let them.

[west canyon]

at least 5 free resets for the dot units,they have to do this cause this "incident" sets a precedent which means it can happen again when they randomly feel something does too well

[uneven pine]

A reset doesn't fix the problem that one of 6 LD5 are severely gutted.

[pine jasper]

This has nothing to do with the problem they created. You knew before this how sania was.

[foggy cliff]

Still top tier for farming Terror but yeah what a punch in the gut

[pine jasper]

or did you drop 10k for her knowing her kit

[willow wraith]

what are you evening saying?

[pine jasper]

im saying you want a new kit for her which has nothing to do with the issue here

[willow wraith]

the issue is a reset doesnt change anything about her?

[foggy cliff]

Helps with Fangus atleast

[willow wraith]

sure

[uneven pine]

I dropped $2k, got 3 shadow sania. No Mio, no DokiDoki, no Lily. And I'm fine with that because at least she's good in a lot of content. But if I knew that in advance and kept getting her, I probably would've stopped at $1k.

[willow wraith]

but it isnt enough

jin is the same dude saying people dont whale for units like her

[pine jasper]

thats a fine reason bc it has smt to do with the shadow changes. But some ppl here say she needs a new kit bc she sucks in pvp for example which is true for now but they knew that before.

[uneven pine]

I don't think longterm she'll suck for pvp.

[willow wraith]

Im saying give her a fucking reason to exist as a LD5 what do you not get?

[uneven pine]

she requires 5/5/5, which none of us can afford right now.

[pine jasper]

she can get better with time and new units that complement her kit

[waxen rain]

the trade off was she sucks in pvp but godly in pve in multiple module dungeons. Now that's not the case

[uneven pine]

^

[willow wraith]

show me your sania jin

[pine jasper]

didnt build her

cause i knew her kit before and didnt like it

[west canyon]

free resets,a new kit and never doing this shit again is what they need to do for the playerbase to have any trust in them

[willow wraith]

so why do you care about people that intentionally aimed for her and wanted to build her losing what she could do?

[pine jasper]

i dont have a problem with that. the problem is you want a change that has nothing to do with the issue they created.

[willow wraith]

i literally only mentioned giving her 30% counter chance on passive so she would be better for pvp. That way she would have a good niche in pvp.

[pine jasper]

"How dare you nerf her pve" GO BUFF HER PVP NOW

thats you

[west canyon]

this whole situation makes me remember dislyte shadow nerfing units / making bosses immune to dots for no fucking reason once again ☠️

[willow wraith]

i dont understand you at all

you think they'll buff her pve?

[pine jasper]

cause ur IQ is not high enough

[willow wraith]

how

[uneven pine]

This situation happened in E7 before with a ML4, can't recall which. In that case they let us recall the unit and use it as a ML4 selector.

[willow wraith]

no you just dont have the ability to express yourself

[pine jasper]

okay so everyone here didnt understand my point or jsut you?

[crude sand]

Their compensation better be something other than 60 apologems.

[pine jasper]

you dont have to like it but understand it maybe?

[open knoll]

If they make her s3 apply 2 dots and a random debuff of thier choice and her s2 explode them, she would be good again.

[willow wraith]

you are miss characterizing what i've said i only said the thing about pvp when other people were offering ways to fix her

i dont care how they fix her

just fix her

[atomic yew]

She literally cannot get better if everything is immune to dots though there is no room for her to get better

[uneven pine]

@pine jasper no matter how you cut it, it's insanely problematic for them to shadow nerf an LD5 character a week after launch, especially when the character isn't considered top tier to begin with.

[atomic yew]

I think the only one here not understanding is you my guy

[uneven pine]

Imagine if they nerfed Lily.

[willow wraith]

if they nerfed lily game would EOS that day

[open knoll]

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that they fucked up

[pine jasper]

was talking about pvp put the context behind it

[willow wraith]

bro what is your hard on about pvp

[uneven pine]

no one is talking about her in pvp.

[gleaming rover]

soon will be the immunity meta in pvp so his point stands

[uneven pine]

no one built her for pvp, and she wasn't nerfed for pvp.

[chilly marsh]

Can't believe they triple buffed pve stages that were fine as is with a difficulty spike from previous beta.

Nerfed the Marvel cheese
Nerfed turn meter manip in general on top of the unit nerf
Buffed the bosses HP, Def AND SPEED.

We have difficult PVE modes already in Anisync & Ember Trek. No idea why they want people not to feel rewarded with a natural progression pace in the modes meant for progression.

• Nerf the fights back to how they were originally. Or at least remove the added additional mechanics if you can't revert the stat buffs. Choose 1 not all 3 ways to make it truly HELL

[pine jasper]

"I don't think longterm she'll suck for pvp." thats yous aying that and i replied with the above

[willow wraith]

he is talking about earlier when people were offering suggestions for buffs to her after this, i said give her 30% counter so she has a niche in pvp"

[atomic yew]

They just saw people found way too clear content and the time gate is really the only way the game has too make money

[pine jasper]

they knew that since beta

[atomic yew]

It's all greed

[pine jasper]

thats the issue

didnt change it 5 day into live

when ppl invested into the units

[willow wraith]

they literally acted like this is a fix though

[chilly marsh]

Honestly, the worst part is they had a massive patch note list where they even put in minor random shit. Didn't bother to have any passing comment on "X Mode enemies adjusted" only notice on gamemode adjustment difficulty mentioned was Ember Trek

[uneven pine]

Eh - I was already giving them my money. Knowing that the units I pull might get shadow nerfed after I pull them adds to value instability. I am now far, far less likely to "invest" in pulling and building characters because there's no way of knowing when they'll get their legs cut out from under them.

[floral dove]

Nah the worst part is that they took dot aurora and shot it in the back in middle of the fucking night lmao

[willow wraith]

which is the main problem

[atomic yew]

Nerfs will happen in a pvp game and that's fine tbh. This isn't a pvp nerf though.

[oak void]

sucks they make dot scale on max hp if their only way of countering it is making bosses completely immune

[atomic yew]

They just didn't want people to farm end game DPS gear yet is the only reason I can think. As s Sonia probably had the lowest reqs for inferno

[pine jasper]

You can only build a couple of units right now so if you invest into dot you kinda bricked yourself atm since dot need codex aswell to work on auto

or you manual all fights but that sounds terrible

[willow wraith]

"you bricked yourself" no they bricked people

[pine jasper]

you can still farm terror pretty good with dot tbf

some guildie does it but on manual

[atomic yew]

Literally ruined entire accounts is crazy work for an "e-sport" game which after this I doubt it will ever be lol

[uneven pine]

what are you even arguing other than being antagonistic?

[graceful dust]

do we really have people in here saying we bricked our accounts when they nerfed units?

[atomic yew]

You carm terror so easily like I can build diting and be fine it's the easiest to clear honestly

[graceful dust]

the elitist in this discord come directly from epic seven

[willow wraith]

once again this is end of last beta and current.

[chilly marsh]

Imma be real, DOT teams shouldn't be able to just solo clear all PVE content. I don't mind that one. Same way that I think it's fine that you shouldn't be able to just Messiah+Lily everything. These games are designed around building multiple teams. I do think the difficulty of the dungeons even when you play "fair" and try to bring answers to the mechanic being not optimal compared to cheesing it is also problematic.

[uneven pine]

it's like they hit us in a bat and broke our leg, and you're telling us "at least you still have one good one"

[pine jasper]

dude get help srsly

[gloomy monolith]

They should just do something like: if boss is immune to dots then every dot inflicted deals defense ignoring damage based on debuffer attack. A compromise between useless character and (not even) OP character

[pine jasper]

we all agree give resets and call it a day but 2-3 ppl here need a whole rework

[steel ravine]

Grim Pursuit and Threshold should be the bread and butter PvE modes since everyone NEEDS to do them an infinite number of times, intentionally making them harder/longer to clear is a terrible design idea.

One it frustrates people if they can't clear because they don't have x y z unit that is needed

Two it prolongues (by a lot) the amount of time and actions required to farm those stages (hell, to even spend your daily stamina if you want to focus on DokiDoki for example and you don't have a mega busted Rilmocha to clear fast)

It is fine if every other PvE content is hard or time demanding, the daily farm ones make absolute no sense to gatekeep people progress (they are the ones that people actualy do to progress in the first place)

[pine jasper]

go open a fedback channel and ask for it

[chilly marsh]

I do agree that if they're adding a new mechanic to nerf a specific comp, the chars from those comps should become available for refund.

E.g. they should give us a new animus reconfig event for 7 days so those who choose to pivot from DoT can.

[pine jasper]

nah they want a rework for some reason BC LD

kids

[graceful dust]

no Give me a reset AND REFUND all the mats to crates and refund all my Lattice etc i fully invested into certain units for clears

[willow wraith]

whats your favorite LD jin?

[graceful dust]

giving a reset of the same affinity would be dumb

[pine jasper]

a reset gives you all mats back wtf you talking about?

[graceful dust]

you dont get the crates back

YOU DONT GET THE CRATES BACK

are you not reading?

[pine jasper]

which crates

[graceful dust]

the element selector crates for skills

[steel ravine]

they just killed the unit itself, just giving a free reset for the unit still leaves a terrible taste of having a permanent benched unit (that many people spent money specifically for that unit)

[atomic yew]

But she wasn't good for everything she was good for terror aurora and specific shells and no use in pvp. She had a specific niche and now she's useless

[uneven pine]

I'm attacking your argument. You're making a personal attack. There's a difference.

[chilly marsh]

TBH refunding a char should actually convert the GP materials to crates. That's just a good QOL that should be there.

[pine jasper]

i doubt they can track that backj

[graceful dust]

then refund with crates

or give people crates

[pine jasper]

its fine i guess since they created the issue

[graceful dust]

yeah because i need all my crates back

i went in on Shadow sania

[floral dove]

Agree but with how this all went down we better hope they give a fuck at all on that level

[oak void]

should be 3 resets at least

there's 3 dot characters so far right?

or is it 4

[pine jasper]

just rerun reconfigure but its free this time 5 resets

[graceful dust]

i built Lilith Shadow Sania i need all my items

[floral dove]

It should be atleast 4 because u invested in the idea of the team

[atomic yew]

Not even that the time farming and creating specif gear for her aren't refunded no matter how you look at even if they do a free reconfigure on her you still wasted tons of stam and silver that puts you behind

Honestly there is no fixing this imo

[unkempt charm]

its not even just sania reset people have 2-3 max out skills on fangus and obol also having to speed 1000 gems cause they fucked up so dumb af

[willow wraith]

So, you guys would be cool with just a reset if they nerfed lily,henrich, and massiah to the ground just because of pve?

[gloomy monolith]

Morimens did refunds with selector crates so I'm sure they can too

[uneven pine]

Giving a reset is a bad solution. It still leaves 1/6 LD5 being bad. So any account that pulls Shadow Sania, as opposed to any other LD5, is basically "punished".

[oak void]

^

[floral dove]

They really should start spoonfooding us like that/wuwa cus this is some slimey ass execution of all this

[oak void]

yeah i thought it sucked enough s.sania is literally unusable in union boss

[graceful dust]

they still lock people out of content

and right now Speed is annoying to farm

[stone drum]

and they also did lie about it being a bugfix

[graceful dust]

you lock a whole half or more portion of your game away

[unkempt charm]

the most insulting part is the fact they came and said it was always supposed to work like this and it was bugged, like you think anyone is dumb enough to fall for that? not a single person saw this "bug" in like 4 betas and 6 months of content creator server lmao

[uneven pine]

even now there's nothing in Aurora's kit that says he ignores DoT's.

[willow wraith]

its literally just control effects in the beta

[gloomy monolith]

And refunds: how do you even refund people like me who have 2 dupes or those who have even more. There's no refunding extra dupes unless with at least a random non owned LD5 if not a LD selector

[graceful dust]

they wanna add the gaslight damage to you

[unkempt charm]

why would they refund you pulling the character that makes no sense its not like you intentional got her

[atomic yew]

You don't there's literally no way to "fix" this for everyone besides reverting this nerf

[unkempt charm]

they cant revert it now tho imagine if they swap it back after everyone has just reset her and fangus

[uneven pine]

There are only two options that make sense.

1. Fix her. I don't care how. Just don't make her a dead unit.
2. Leave her useless, and give players a selector for every dupe of her they pulled.

[atomic yew]

They fucked themselves lol idk

[willow wraith]

they can they just revert and then do a reset event

[oak void]

yeah this, unless she's featured and you pulled on the featured banner

[willow wraith]

what are you two saying

[pine jasper]

Its a shitshow they easiest solution is free resets + some more stuff as compensation since its not jsut dot they changed Terror aswell and maybe even dokidoki some ppl said the mobs are faster now but i cant verify it for now. But Terror feels tankier for me today

[willow wraith]

A. people intentionally rerolled for her
B. people intentionally whaled for her

What do you mean no one intentionally got her

[dreamy oak]

This kind of bad stuff just makes me sigh. Siiiigh.

[uneven pine]

This is part of the problem as well. What did they change about Terror? Did they increase his HP? His DEF? We don't know, because they don't tell us. They just added shit to our soup and wait until we taste the difference.

[stone drum]

even if they revert they fucked up cuz people probably reset shadow sania now

[atomic yew]

They nerfed some characters 6 star speeds it may not be faster mobs just the chats got alower

[oak void]

oh i guess that's true. I didn't consider someone might whale for a specific unit on perm banner lol

i was assuming people would wait for rate up, but i guess that's not always the case

[willow wraith]

all good, but yeah people do that

[unkempt charm]

at least we know how the company operates now, cause the should not have called the last beta test a beta test cause it was just a way for them to get people to spend money early cause making a change like this on boss a week into the game but not before launch after the beta is possible one of the dumbest things i ever saw a game do

[raw glacier]

Then you get the people who whaled hard and already got lots of good modules from them, while the people who were a bit slower got screwed and cant get those modules

So if those people are playing arena, they have such an enormous disadvantage, which is completly unfair in an "esports" game tho

[atomic yew]

I'm wondering how incompetent their team for this game is with this move tbh

[dreamy oak]

I don't think XD team understands why nerfs are forbidden in gacha games at all.

[uneven pine]

Yeah, at this point I'm less mad about the S Sania nerf, and more worried I put money into a game where the devs have problematic decision making and poor communication.

[willow wraith]

same

[gloomy monolith]

The worst is the message they send if they do nothing. "Expect any unit to be nerfed at any time, for no good or any reason at all. Too bad, so sad".

[uneven pine]

I've put hours and hours of time building guides, helping people out, and now I'm wondering if this is still the game I thought it was going to be.

[pine jasper]

nerfs can happen jsut dont do it like this and communicate better

[willow wraith]

i agree with that

[unkempt charm]

nerfing and buffing units in a pvp focus game is fine imo but chaing pve content a few days into launch after months and months of testing it is not ok

[soft knoll]

a well-executed nerf is a healthy, expected process that should be encouraged when necessary. this ain't that

[dreamy oak]

nah man, it's like removing 100% damage from, I don't know, Miyabi a few days after her release and calling it a "fix" after people have already spent who knows how many pulls getting her.

[atomic yew]

Yeah they literally tried to sneak the nerf by and just what hoped people wouldn't notice since she was a niche unit for most people?

[oak void]

bugfix: boss was able to take crit damage, made them immune to critical hits

[dreamy oak]

you'd have to not only communicate the f- up you just did but also appropriately compensate for it to everyone affected

I don't see them doing it but hey, I hope I'm wrong

[stone drum]

you got 100 gems how greedy /s

[pine jasper]

Will this be wuwa or genshin style compesation is the question

[odd berry]

💯

[willow wraith]

yeah i have no idea how they handled things with SoV

[unkempt charm]

not even giving you enough gems to pay for the reset is actually funny how bad it is

[willow wraith]

You can solo clear all content with massiah lol

[pine jasper]

I struggle with my massa now in hell 3+

[unkempt charm]

he wont get gutted yet cause his banner is still active wait a few days

[pine jasper]

kinda regret not building rosa or rimo

or khloros

[willow wraith]

sure but that will probably change with better pieces tho right?

[pine jasper]

idk tbh XD everything was easy up till hell

[willow wraith]

lol

[pine jasper]

he cant do terror as dps dokidoki possible but thats more a comp issue and auro probally not

[unkempt charm]

again them making hell harder isnt even a issue for me its the fact they do it 4 days into launch and not in the 2 weeks between beta test and launch

[gloomy monolith]

@unkempt charmFunny enough I got him today on standard. Hope it's no longer a pattern with everything I pull

[pine jasper]

its possible i guess if you max duped him

and max lettice

[willow wraith]

lily definitely can be used everywhere and probably same with henrich

[knotty star]

I plan to 5 5 5 Massiah

I leave my fate with him haha

[willow wraith]

gl 🙏

[knotty star]

Ty

[pine jasper]

dont 6 star all LD like i did. it workd at the start but now i hit a wall at hell and it seems like they want you to go for a RGB dps for each thresholds

[willow wraith]

sure that makes sense, but people saying Sania needed a nerf because DoT shouldnt clear all content seems wild

[pine jasper]

you cant even compete in pvp with all the LD units if you cant farm the Moduls

[willow wraith]

like i agree but also dont think thats true

[floral dove]

And if it was intended the whole time and just got patched in, we should have atleast known it was coming/ supposed to be added since the notes. By not communicating any of this in the dedicated patch notes it just seems scummy and for all we know they got bored and decided to change aurora like that after seeing the dot performance, not after seeing an actual unintended behavior

[unkempt charm]

sania was the number 1 team for aurora for ever they is not a single chance your telling me a dev who thought the boss was immune to dot was like wait a minuite how is this the best team

[willow wraith]

yeah absolutely

[unkempt charm]

and its not talking weeks its been like this for 6-8 months

[knotty star]

That makes sense...

Klhoros for Terra Inferno
Rilmocha for Dokidoki Inferno
Rosa for Auorora Inferno

I hope they don't nerf Diting as well just because he's so good in both Terra & Aurora as well and he's sr unit.

[copper nexus]

Was the terror buffed just this recetn reset?

[willow wraith]

its only because S Sania can farm inferno faster than most other comps can farm doki, but they also made aurora lvl 30 locked

[copper nexus]

Because yesterday I was looking at teams, and I swear i remember building towards those with diting. BUt now when i look today, there are entirely different teams clearing. So Idk if im just delusional or losing my mind?

[willow wraith]

and by faster i mean clear inferno earlier in account progress

[pine jasper]

it happend in the hotfix today

[copper nexus]

I've been so frustrated for the last few hours and not able to get any help and it didn't seem like anyone else was struggling as much as I am?

[pine jasper]

more HP

[copper nexus]

so idfk whats going on

LOL

[uneven pine]

I could stomach the idea of Shadow Sania being BiS in Terrormaton and useless in the others. I think that's a very niche role for an LD5, but I'd understand it at least if they communicated that this was their intent. Devs should never release a significant balance change without explaining why they're doing it. Right now we're left guessing to their intentions, which is the main reason this feels so bad.

[copper nexus]

im hoping it was just the shadow buffs..

[pine jasper]

you cant focus down the boss anymnore got to do the arm first

for now

[copper nexus]

i mean i don't even know what they USED to do

because i don't have access to those replays anymore

and all my teams feel like there are insane gaps in them now

[pine jasper]

i did a run yesterday and my diting nuked the boss hard and today i did like half the dmg

[copper nexus]

I SWEAR u didn't need valerian or beyonce to beat terror hell 1 yesterday...

.

i don't remember seeing majority of teams having those

kloss yes

heinrich yea

so idfk

[willow wraith]

i dont see why its a big deal for Sania to be great at terror and aurora, lily is t0 literally across the board, henrich and massiah being close to t0 across the board

[oak void]

it's a ploy so they revert changes and give apologems and get famous for listening to playerbase

[soft knoll]

beyonce too

[placid raft]

Difficulty did not even need increased. Most people are not even at Hell 3/4 and definitely not at inferno yet. These bosses feel extremely overtuned right now and increasing their hp, making them immune to dots, increasing their meter resistance and nerfing marvell/rosa pre launch makes this content feel extremely unenjoyable.

Farming for gear in a gacha where it's already locked behind energy / rng should not be this difficult and should not be being buffed before the majority of the playerbase is even at the stages where this really hurts.

[primal hare]

I feel so awful haha been going hard and having a good time, but the DoT rug pull with 0 communication makes me not want to play this game or support these devs.

[foggy cliff]

Tbf they can keep her kit and just increase DoT % damage in PvP

[copper nexus]

so if you sign up for a concert to go see your favorite artist, and then you show up and a homeless dude with a dollar store mic is there singing, are you gonna be happy? It's not about the unit not performing well. Its about a) betraying expectations and b) doing so and not even COMMUNICATING WHAT THEY DID

[pine jasper]

I think the bigger problem is we have so many ways to cleanse debuffs that dots wont stick at all

[willow wraith]

im saying sania didnt need a nerf even if she was t0 in terror and aurora

because i'd still rather have lily on my account

[copper nexus]

ohhh

[unkempt charm]

bro if they are going to make the "farm" content this much harder they better improve their retarded auto ai cause if they think people are going to manual farm this content thousands of times they are high

[copper nexus]

icic

[willow wraith]

ye i didnt say it well

[copper nexus]

no ur fine

im so fucking tilted from banging my head against the wall fighting terror

that i can't see straight

LOL

[willow wraith]

xd i feel ya

[copper nexus]

and now idek if its my CHARACTERS that are the problem

[foggy cliff]

DoTs now do 3x damage in PvP

[pine jasper]

stop it son you lsoe stamina each attempt XD

[copper nexus]

or if its just because im fighting a different boss than people were fighting yesterday

[foggy cliff]

Punish people without cleanses lmao

[copper nexus]

yea well its hard when im being gaslit into thinking that i should be able to clear

yet the boss was buffed and no one knows

and i don't know if im not clearing because im shit

or because my setup was meant for a boss that supposed to have half the amount of hp it has today

[pine jasper]

farm nico for some days it gives good coins aswell

[knotty star]

They should just copy the Reverse 1999 daily farming system...

Literally 100% auto-run...

Easy daily grinding solved

[pine jasper]

the lvl 40 shels help with pve content

[gloomy monolith]

Sania was probably the least useful LD in PVP anyway, so nerfing her PVE performance is insane. All the other LD are good everywhere.

[copper nexus]

i have 2 level 40 mythic shells

maxed and awakened

one white fang one gigabyte

[willow wraith]

its funny they pushed this shit out right before they went to bed apparently lmao

[unkempt charm]

you are shit if you were good you would be able to look at the boss and instantly guess the stealth changes that were made while you were sleeping its a get good issue for sure 😒

[pine jasper]

i mean the lvl 40 shels after nico

[copper nexus]

FUCK

[pine jasper]

supernova and the debuff extender

[copper nexus]

[copper nexus]

we're supposed to farm those even before farming hell 3 doki?

feel liek we're skipping progression steps here

[pine jasper]

i mean we kinda forced to farm them i would say XD

[copper nexus]

i disagree

[pine jasper]

and we get ling tmw aswell

[copper nexus]

why are other people able to do terror hell 3

without having farmed those then?

[pine jasper]

big powerspike for alot of ppl in pve

[copper nexus]

it doesn't make sense

[pine jasper]

well you never know how they do it

might be manual with the right comp

all accounts look diffrent

I didnt gacha one RGB dps

all supports

[copper nexus]

yea but just based on stats

it feels like i need 30k hp

to even start doing terror

[pine jasper]

i know what you mean i see some clears with same comps than my but and if i run it its a wipe

but it was bc of the shadow nerf i think XD

terror suprised me today

and i refuse to upgrade 2 matrix mytical gear that is so expensiv and you know you have to scrap them

[uneven pine]

I'm just going to withhold saying anything else or worrying about any of this until we get an official response from a dev.

@clear wadi Is it possible for us to get a response, or a timeline of a response? People are very angry here and are looking for communication on the stealth changes from XD.

[willow wraith]

C responded earlier and said the devs were asleep