Advice who to focus on

[shrewd imp]

i guess you can try diting lian mio lingluo

[brittle oyster]

and what shell for diting

[shrewd imp]

no need to move it

keep it how it is already

[brittle oyster]

black flags for supp right and twi knight for dps

it worked @shrewd imp

[shrewd imp]

[brittle oyster]

thanks, i just need a stronger diting for 3*

i believe

if i were to reset lian for lattices transfer to mio, who would be my dps @shrewd imp

[shrewd imp]

that's a question u ask yourself

who do you want to be your dps

[brittle oyster]

i've no idea

these are my heroes

so far, diting is my only dps

[shrewd imp]

if you reset your lian you're gonna have a lot of issues

i would say messiah might be the only one better in the farming role

actually that's not true

https://www.prydwen.gg/etheria-restart/tier-list

generic pve, those are the ones okay to reset into

but what's the point if it's not a super upgrade

[floral sand]

Offering for Diting

Wait, but 6*ing doesn't give that much offensive stats or am I missing something?

Just insta pressed this the last time without checking 😂

[shrewd imp]

it does

staring up gives you the most base stats

compared to leveling

[floral sand]

I see

[floral sand]

So leveling isn't rly THAT important?

[brittle oyster]

i'm just resetting her for lattices, i'll use the lattices to mio

also, could u please help with comp for nightmare terror?

[warm beacon]

@shrewd imp
Progress report:
Just been doing Nicohell for shells. Trying to figure out which shells I use on my teams

Still only nightmare 3 thresholds

[sudden crown]

who you got

[brittle oyster]

i alr did him, i just did some upgrades 😭

[sudden crown]

oh

[warm beacon]

Are we summoning for the new characters - still doing my target for Kloss 😂

[shrewd imp]

i summoned holden

okay i'm convinced bramble lily counterattack cannot trigger twin ally

@rigid viper

did this work before? because i got the setup today and i've seen lily counterattack at least 10 times without fua from twin ally

[rigid viper]

It can't - you're using Bramble for the 50% chance to turn meter plus for her and the twin ally

[shrewd imp]

i see, just the turn meter.. sounds good still

[rigid viper]

yeah, it allows her and the dps

to cycle super fast

[warm beacon]

Alright.. how much Nico should so be farming?
I have white fang for dps and 1x Giga in lvl 40

Have a lot in storage tho 😂

[shrewd imp]

forever tbh, but only if you've ever done all the first time clears

okay not forever, but the set is very nice

you want a lot of white fangs

that have good combos so you'd move to those later after farming like

momentum fury keen

etc

and you'd lock them

but no need to upgrade

can always imprint later

like this is my storage, a lot of them are locked just in case i'd need them later

3/3s

[warm beacon]

Alright! trying to figure out which shells the rest of my characters should have ✌️ looking through recent kills on the bosses

[floral sand]

Heya, who would you suggest as 3rd 6*?

[shrewd imp]

i did messiah -> xiada -> lily

probably 2 dps and lily

[floral sand]

I've 6*d Massiah and Diting atm

So Lily then ig

[shrewd imp]

what is your doki team?

[floral sand]

I'm farming NicoNana atm, I don't rly have thresholds teams atm. Also maxed Valerian's S3 just now but gotta farm Terro at one point to get wellspring gear for her at all since I don't even have 1 full set.

But my wish is lily kloss kazuyo valerian + rilmocha/Massiah

So yeah maybe Rilmocha also might be a 6* candidate

[shrewd imp]

ya rilmocha would be better than lily to 6*

[floral sand]

I don't want to but probably have to 😂

[shrewd imp]

i mean technically

you don't have to

you'd just have to be able to farm hell terrormaton later

and get crazy gear for your messiah

and then messiah could do doki hell

that's kind of why i decided to focus on the dot team

when leveling this account up

[floral sand]

Ooo EU has inferno Doki clears now as well might have to check those out

[shrewd imp]

super low gear investment, and can clear hell 4 terror

and farmed enough good gear that i could throw someone like xiada into doki

[floral sand]

Hmmm

[shrewd imp]

and farm it to hell 4

[floral sand]

I should've done that as well then nooooooo

I don't have enough purple lattice now for Fangus

[shrewd imp]

ya so now you can probably do up to hell 2... maybe or at least 1 with your setup with okay gear on your supports

but you're going to need to farm doki so that your supports don't get instakilled in terramaton

[floral sand]

I'm hoping to be able farm terra hell 1 with kinda my current setup

cause nightmare feels not great

[shrewd imp]

you should be able to do nightmare pretty easily though with the characters you have

it's just shell/gear

[floral sand]

Oooo actually, managed to do hell 1 just now but idk if that was lucky or not 😂

[floral sand]

yeah but certain sets in terra hell1 are insane for other dps's right?

Would it be kinda worth to farm hell1 as well for a little bit if I skip farming nightmare?

[shrewd imp]

i never farmed any of the nightmare thresholds

on either accounts

only for the charter missions

[floral sand]

Aah okay so you also started farming hell1's or did you manage to skip those ones as well?

[shrewd imp]

i only started farming them on hell

yes

well on the 2nd account, the alt

i skipped to hell 4 on terror, farmed gear and skipped to doki hell 4

and started farming that

[floral sand]

daaaaang

[shrewd imp]

but the first one i did a lot of time in doki hell 3 farming because i could od that

and not hell 2 terror for a while

[floral sand]

ic

Hmmm I think I have no other choice than to farm hell1 terror until I get my DoT team up for hell4, but I'd also need speed gear for SSania so I have to also find a way for hell1 doki 😭

[shrewd imp]

you should have some i used all gold/purple gear

for the dot team and it was okay

on the first clear

[floral sand]

Hmm I could scavenge a little bit maybe cause ssania wants effect acc on the right side iirc

[shrewd imp]

ya she does

[warm beacon]

Terror Hell Massiah Lily Kloss Valerion Freya

Doki hell Massiah Lily Kraken Kloss Sania

Does these teams sound realistic for hell @shrewd imp? 😂🤷🏻‍♂️

[shrewd imp]

Tbh not really you're going need more damage for terror

Diting Messiah instead of the Freya or lian messiah

[brittle oyster]

who's an alternative for lily

is it chiaki the echo

[shrewd imp]

yes

[warm beacon]

I’ll go Diting then ✌️💪

[brittle oyster]

ok thanks

[warm beacon]

Alright, seems like Kazuyo is in 100% of all Doki inferno kills. Guess I have to keep pulling

[shrewd imp]

you can use kraken in that spot np

do you still have the box

from the level 10 quest

it lets you pick kazuyo

[warm beacon]

No idea. Can’t remember that Box

[shrewd imp]

it'd let you choose

kazuyo, yang, or ten

check your inventory

you might still have it

[warm beacon]

What .. would never have seen this

[shrewd imp]

nice

congrats on your kazuyo

[warm beacon]

Terror Hell Massiah Lily Kloss Valerion Diting
Doki hell Massiah Lily kazuyo Kloss Valerion

Maybe?

[shrewd imp]

doki team will be fine for sure

i think the terror team will do fine up until hell 3

massiah and diting has a weird interaction because when messiah s3s

your mark will go somewhere randomly because of the aoe

[warm beacon]

I see .. will have to do for now. Don’t have Ssania like everyone else is using in high terror 😂

[shrewd imp]

you can def still clear it with like

diting solo dps

just need him to be juiced

throw in a def breaker

or buffer

like holden / dinah / beyontin

just will have to farm hell 1-2 for a bit

[warm beacon]

I see

[shrewd imp]

plenty of hell 4 clears with diting solo dps

[warm beacon]

Hell1 is fine with the current setup, when I get home I will gear Diting kloss and kazuyo and see how it goes ..

[brittle oyster]

who's an alternative for beyontin

[brittle oyster]

what shells good for chiaki the echo, ling and valerian? i only reached niconana shell threshold

[brittle oyster]

should I put 2 DEF% 1 ACC or 2 DEF% 1 CR on Holden?

[shrewd imp]

can never go wrong with black flag

depends on how you're building him

[brittle oyster]

i want him as dps

[shrewd imp]

i just do 2x eff acc + def because i don't really care about him doing damage

[brittle oyster]

cause he's my only dps besides diting

building my hein as dps doesn't look like it

i think he's better with eff acc

[brittle oyster]

should I go 2x eff acc + 1 cr then if i wanna go for dps

[shrewd imp]

no

https://www.prydwen.gg/etheria-restart/characters/holden

his build is on there

[brittle oyster]

so 2x def% + 1 cr it is

[shrewd imp]

[brittle oyster]

which one would u prefer

[shrewd imp]

2nd one easily

he can't use atk bonus

doesn't need effect acc that much either

and it's not endgame gear so higher rarity doesn't mean too much

[brittle oyster]

or i could use these 2 def% swift?

[shrewd imp]

i have no idea

[brittle oyster]

how about this, which one

anw, thanks for the help

[shrewd imp]

sry i'm just not sure but i feel like you can't go wrong with def def and cr

[brittle oyster]

i was also looking out for spd

[shrewd imp]

to me all the pieces are similar except the bramble one which is probably not good

[brittle oyster]

bramble not good?

[shrewd imp]

the only one that is good is this one

bramble is good but hp main stat is not good

[brittle oyster]

but that's fixed tho on the left side

[shrewd imp]

oh

[shrewd imp]

probably left 1

good chance to hit the speed substat

[brittle oyster]

this is his moduels so far

do you see anyt that should be replaced in the future

or should i upgrade them first and show again

i'm looking to snatch a swift bramble artisan shell, been farming and not a single one

[shrewd imp]

you're probably going to replace all of them in the future since modules later on

drops with 3 nodes instead of 2 (like 3 swift instead of only having 2)

[brittle oyster]

oh

yeah, dang yeah you're right

okay, thank you for thelp

the help*

[shrewd imp]

but so far it looks good

[brittle oyster]

it is greatly appreciated

[shrewd imp]

kind of

maybe you'd rather have

[brittle oyster]

hmm

[shrewd imp]

okay nah this is actually good

so you can counterattack

i was thinking maybe 12/4 but 8 is nice for holden

on the bramble

[brittle oyster]

ahh

thanks a lot brooo

really helped

this is his stats with max modules, no shell so far

how is that looking @shrewd imp

[shrewd imp]

seems solid, the shell is gonna make it very good

who is your team for holden

[brittle oyster]

i'm not really sure

i'm just ah looking for another dps

[shrewd imp]

i think you really want someone that can give def buff

[brittle oyster]

since my only dps is diting

like?

[shrewd imp]

freya is probably the best

[brittle oyster]

dang, dh her

[shrewd imp]

ok let me look through the roster

do you have rahu

[brittle oyster]

yeah

[shrewd imp]

lowkey......

rahu and holden might be crazy together

as your dps

but i guess it's going to be hard sometimes

[brittle oyster]

i think i could do better w spd

[shrewd imp]

so one of them is usually oging to be weird, but maybe it won't matter too much

[brittle oyster]

3 modules doesn't have spd sub so

[shrewd imp]

because rahu also scales off def

like holden

but he has a 2 turn def buff for all allies

too

[brittle oyster]

i'll try working on rahu as well

thank you a lot bro

[shrewd imp]

ya if anything

like if they don't work together, you'd make a preset with def gear

and swap between them

depending on the content

[shrewd imp]

@brittle oyster

rin is pretty good

https://www.prydwen.gg/etheria-restart/characters/rin

Rin kicks her gourd, releasing an Anima aroma to protect all allies, applying a 2-turn [DEF+] and a [Shield] equal to 270% DEF to all allies.

aoe def+ and shield, -atk too and taunt

okay the taunt is not that good

since you want holden getting hit, but she would be your def buffer

[brittle oyster]

ohhhh

okay, thanks for digging into this

[shrewd imp]

@rigid viper great job on the tierlist update, i agree with all the moves

[rigid viper]

thank you!

We will add a changelog for this

tomorrow

just was a long day

and wanted to release it

[shrewd imp]

mainly because i've been a xiada and ssania stan for a bit now even through the doomposting

but nah it's good

[warm beacon]

Who needs lattices next?
Massiah s3 maxed,. Lily s1 maxed.
Also using Kloss and a bit Freya 🤷🏻‍♂️

[shrewd imp]

massiah s2

he's ur main ssr dps right

[warm beacon]

Yeah, only one

Kayuzo is only s3 right?

[shrewd imp]

yes

[warm beacon]

Wondering if I should just reset gray with the coming reset, not really using him other than in summit arena right now 😂 need lattice for kazuyo and Diting

[shrewd imp]

not a bad idea if you already have kloss

@floral sand are you still playing :D

[floral sand]

Yessir

Trying to make the DoT for Terror to farm Hell4 during the double drop event.

[shrewd imp]

ooooo ya

that's an awesome idea

[floral sand]

Did hell3 but need more spd and survivability for hell4 unfortunately

[shrewd imp]

are you doing it manually?

[floral sand]

Prolly need to upgrade my shells to red

[floral sand]

yeah... 😂

[shrewd imp]

ok yea no that's good

the secret to hell4 is really your ssania being fast enough

so she can put 3 dots on terramaton

before his 2nd slam

and then s2'ing

[floral sand]

This is what I have for now

[shrewd imp]

or s1 3 times

[floral sand]

But yeah the shell still poopy

I'm still unsure of what shell to put on what unit, I see so many varieties when checking out other clears

[shrewd imp]

uhmm

it's pretty flexible

but the general idea is that

ssania and fangus should have bramble + swift

lily should have gigabyte/blackflag

and you can throw anythign onto valerian tbh

i think blackflag is actually very good on her

[floral sand]

With a maxed shell my SSania would have 110+113 speed

cause the maxed red one is 35

[shrewd imp]

o ya you would definitely clear hell 4

with that

[floral sand]

Valerian rn also with no maxed shell 😂

Did too much outpost for skill-ups

[shrewd imp]

that is way enough hp

[floral sand]

I feel like

yeah heard she wants to be slow so tried to do that as well

[shrewd imp]

ya

that's why i prefer black flag over gigabyte

can still get wellspring and cure

less of a turnmeter boost than gigabyte

[floral sand]

aaaa

[shrewd imp]

but i think later on her bis shell is gonna be jackal or halloween

and you'd just throw on swift + timeweave

just to proc more cd resets on everyone

[floral sand]

This is my Lily and Kloss, Fangus's gear is kinda being used by Frey right now though

[shrewd imp]

o wait

are you using kloss

for your dot team

[floral sand]

Shouldn't I?

[shrewd imp]

do you have freya

[floral sand]

o right defence down does nothing for dots

thought that other clears were using here, maybe I missaw

[shrewd imp]

no they don't

[floral sand]

for the def buff I suppose?

[shrewd imp]

yea but freya is much better for hell 4

inferno you're gonna want a dispeller in that slot like holden or heinrich or mia

[floral sand]

I could put Holden instead of Kloss

[shrewd imp]

ya do that

[floral sand]

I also have a Heinrich

but since inferno clears use Holden I assume his S3 is way better

only need to clear the initial debuff and holden's s3 gives also atk down

[shrewd imp]

ya his s3 is great

[floral sand]

eff res down

[shrewd imp]

it is a dispel, res-, atk-

[floral sand]

makes him better than heinrich ig

[shrewd imp]

and his s2 turn meter is 100%

which gets cut by 40% because of the difficulty, but it's still a -60% push

[floral sand]

but since he scales with def, do you want to build holden with swift or unbreakable?

swift ig cause of utility?

[shrewd imp]

yes

build him swift

[floral sand]

ic yeah I definitely missaw, it's freya not Kloss

either freya or holden

[shrewd imp]

do you not own freya

[floral sand]

yeah I do

[shrewd imp]

freya is better in hell 4

because of this passive she has

[floral sand]

ig I want to manual and do s2?

[shrewd imp]

since you're spamming debuffs

[floral sand]

s3 nightmare debuff and atk buff shouldn't apply to dots right?

[shrewd imp]

this is s1

tag

not nightmare or dreamweave

you don't have to apply anything

it just happens

every time you buff yourself

you get +4% meter

every time you land a dot

they get hit with a -4% meter

[floral sand]

no no but i mean how is freya played in hell 4

does she initially do s3 or s2?

[shrewd imp]

o

s2 -> s3

[floral sand]

aaa yeah so it was for the def buff

[shrewd imp]

ya plus the turn meter she's giving everyone

throw your kloss gear onto freya and try to manual it

i'm sure it'd clear

[floral sand]

my gear is going to be in such a mess xd

[shrewd imp]

have you learned how to do presets yet

i have like all of these presets

[floral sand]

Freya has some gear, will try it with that first. This is how she looks rn

[shrewd imp]

wait

you want some eff acc

that's why i suggested using kloss' gear

her s1 can be resisted

like the passive

[floral sand]

Could do this

or how much is some?

[floral sand]

I've seen the window exists 😂

[shrewd imp]

imo 100% is what you want

[floral sand]

can give them names and stuff

[shrewd imp]

ya honestly just go try it

[floral sand]

need to give fangus his gear back as well 😭

pff should've saved it

pain

also 100% eff for fangus?

[shrewd imp]

ya

but if not it's okay

[floral sand]

Should prolly do for now?

[shrewd imp]

o yes

[floral sand]

Mmm I seem too squishy

he already procs cheat death at the start already

I'm not outspeeding him

[shrewd imp]

that's fine

[floral sand]

idk what's wrong tho except being squishy

every time the left tentacle procs cheat

2nd time head attacks everyone's

[shrewd imp]

https://insights.gg/v/7mEI9nkAGNEcV7gcfWZ8Eq

the run should look like this

[floral sand]

ah yeah you're outspeeding the head with multiple units

but i'im too slow for that

[shrewd imp]

what's your lily's speed

[floral sand]

122+95

[shrewd imp]

ahh

that's not fast enough

i think i read somewhere that you actually want

233 speed on lily

to outrun him

the rest of the cast doesn't matter too much

my ssania is actually similar to your ssania

it's just lily attacking and pushing her up

[floral sand]

time to make presets to back up everything

[shrewd imp]

honestly good time to clear things because if you can farm hell 3/4

you're gonna replacing your dps gear for sure anyways

[floral sand]

if I could somehow scramble gear together to farm terr hell 4 now I can wait with doki for a little bit

[floral sand]

Damn yeah cleared it just now, managed to get Lily to 234 and she outsped the head 😂

[shrewd imp]

[floral sand]

Now I need to see if it was lucky or it's consistent for me

Ty kind sir

now if my shells get maxed

it'll probably feel a lot better

even had to scavenge gear from Massiah 😂

the max character length of the preset name is way too short

[shrewd imp]

xdd

are you farming it now @floral sand

[floral sand]

trying it a few times with the remaining stam yeah

if only SSania was a bit faster

it's kinda consistent though so that's good

[shrewd imp]

yay

[floral sand]

at least that's done for x2 event

now I need to plan out some other stuff for it and maybe some skill-up farm as well 😂

[shrewd imp]

oh ya i cleared aurora hell 4 earlier today

xiada gaming still

[floral sand]

Nice, that's huge!

Aurora is hard af

[shrewd imp]

ya it's definitely much harder compared to the other 2

[floral sand]

now I have to pray that I somehow will be able to clear doki with massiah one day

otherwise rilmocha will be the fallback

[shrewd imp]

you will be able to

if you farm gear from terrormaton

and get his s3 to max

[floral sand]

I actually can't wait to build Lingluo as well

finally 2 sustainers when that day comes 😂

[warm beacon]

When is the 2x

[shrewd imp]

21st

[brittle oyster]

who should i pull from the selector if i have these units

[shrewd imp]

@rigid viper : ( you're putting it out there that revelation is sick, do you think there's any chance the set gets nerfed

[shrewd imp]

not sure, you're missing a doki carry so many rilmocha

[rigid viper]

Imo it deserves a nerf in PVP

there's no counterplay

but for PVE the set always was situational

[shrewd imp]

[rigid viper]

so I just hope they will only nerf it for PVP

inferno is already hard and Revelation helps a bit with clearing it

[shrewd imp]

who is the best abuser of the set in pvp, is it kazuyo

[rigid viper]

Freya/Kazuyo/Celince

[shrewd imp]

i wonder if i should reset my xiada if the set is due for a nerf eventually

[shrewd imp]

@rigid viper

did you see this yet

in combat description doesn't match description out of combat anymore

[rigid viper]

[shrewd imp]

i can definitely feel the difference, was taking ember trek 42 boss to 3rd phase pretty consistently before the hotfix now i kind of just get owned during phase 2

[rigid viper]

Will test it tomorrow - everyone is asleep now

[shrewd imp]

okay

will be the deciding factor whether or not i reset

oh maybe not

maybe i'm just getting owned

[rigid viper]

Will check the CN one then tomorrow

Could be another case of wrong translation

[shrewd imp]

ty yea

[floral sand]

o/ What Grim Pursuit stage is ideal to farm for the purple shell upgrade currency? 😂

[shrewd imp]

uhmm

no idea..

fabian?

is that purple

is there a difference

i didn't even know i thought it was just one reconfig thing

[warm beacon]

Is there a specifc kill order for the Dokidoki adds?

[shrewd imp]

left right left right

that's the order that they transform

wave 2, you can sometimes leave the 2nd to last guy alive

so doki doesn't perma buff the main guy

that's when he starts one shotting everyone

[warm beacon]

So if we call them 1-2-3-4-5

the kill order is 1-5-2-4-3? Or am i missunderstanding 😄

first hell3 doki kill, lets go

my turnorder is a mess tho. willl have to try and fix that

[brittle oyster]

so rilmocha it is?

[shrewd imp]

how many summons have you done

1 5 2 4 3

that's right

look at how close i was to beating floor 42 ember trek

this fight is so long too because i'm doing manual, and there's 3 phases

[wise violet]

how do i get this pfp?

[shrewd imp]

no idea

i don't have it either

[floral sand]

winning the weekend pvp mode iirc

gl

[shrewd imp]

that's just the border

not the shark

[wise violet]

btw do you know why rahu prefer 12 set spd instead of 12 set def?

[floral sand]

Ought to try that

[shrewd imp]

my guess is that he wants to cast his s3 asap

[warm beacon]

Dang. i really underestimated kazuyo.. Sleep on paper seems so bad, cause you would think they always gets woken up.
Seems like it isnt the case at all 😄

Hell3 doki seems kinda reliable tbh.

[floral sand]

they also get increased damage taken when they're asleep and get damaged

[warm beacon]

Ah, thats probably why then 😄

[warm beacon]

Hows your progress going? Assuming you are further than me now with that Ssania team rolling

[floral sand]

NicoNana jail for the training data to level Shells ;w;

[warm beacon]

;D

[floral sand]

I can somewhat auto terror hell IV

but hopefully it'll get more consistent after shell upgrades

but my dokidoki and aurora teams are still non existant

also idk if I should farm Sharon and till what extent

[warm beacon]

havnt done anything but nico the last 3 days due to being on mini holiday.. not even sure which shells to upgrade for my team, seems like people just use whatever on supports really 😄

need one for diting tho

[floral sand]

having to farm purple training data feels so bad tho 😭

ooh

nice

[warm beacon]

i need the purple aswell, is it just from all bosses or? 😄

[floral sand]

doing feb for it rn

could try whitney

[warm beacon]

so, no nico i gues

[floral sand]

sadly not

only yellow from that one

[warm beacon]

i see

only done whitney 2 times. 1 for each difficulty 😄 😄

[floral sand]

same 😂

Diting goes brrr

[warm beacon]

what you using the xp-mats for? just speeding up leveling?

[floral sand]

only using them whenever I want to star something

[warm beacon]

Alright. have a "lvl 50 anomus" challenge, so should probably do that at some point 😄

[floral sand]

oh yeah same

will prolly do that whenever I'd need resources from those missions or it's the last challenge in that row

[warm beacon]

i hate this dot .. 😄

[shrewd imp]

i feel like.......

it's all the same currency for upgrading your shells

it's just what tier of leveling you're in

because this is a mythic one

it starts off at purple

[floral sand]

Ignore me I'm a dumdum dxn is right

It's confusing tho

[shrewd imp]

just an indicator of what tier you're in

[floral sand]

yeah

back to niconico ig

[warm beacon]

😄 😄

[floral sand]

Hmm guess I'll just max SSania's Gigabyte and move it around

[floral sand]

Till what extent would you advice farming Sharon?

[shrewd imp]

i only do sharon if there's a hyper charter mission for it

[warm beacon]

Ill have to look up a team for sharon. nightmare diff wasnt fun 😄

[floral sand]

Diting

[warm beacon]

Diting still under construction at this point

no skillups

[floral sand]

[warm beacon]

is it s2 first? think i read that in some chat

[floral sand]

Ye

S2 -> S3 maybe S1

[shrewd imp]

you want all 3 eventually

[floral sand]

My S1 is on Lv. 4 but eh

[shrewd imp]

but yes 2 > 3 > 1

[floral sand]

Didn't feel the need to max it yet

in terra it is useful if you don't run the dot team

[warm beacon]

Will be using Diting in Terror. Dont have any of the components for dot team

[floral sand]

can't wait to be able to do doki though

to start properly gearing units

cause I hardly can gear another support properly cause of it

[warm beacon]

I dont get any swift gear, so still cant gear supports 😄

[floral sand]

I feel you 😭

Are there certain shells I can recycle for sure?

Haven't done that yet except a few for missions

[warm beacon]

I think most epic shells are done, when you get access to mythic.
Maybe Black flag as an exception.
But i wouldnt trust my word 😄

[shrewd imp]

#1 in my server for ember trek

[brittle oyster]

353

should I go for Rilmocha or Khloss on my selector

[shrewd imp]

can u show ur box again

i think kloss is better, important in ethernet rally/pvp/ember trek, but i know all you really care about is doki right now

that's my regret, wish i did kloss instead of rilmocha

but i think you'd still need a doki dps

so if you have one, def kloss if not maybe.. not

[brittle oyster]

[brittle oyster]

also, should I max Mio S3?

[shrewd imp]

wait

how invested are you into mio

[brittle oyster]

well, this

i think she helps me in arena and some other contents

[shrewd imp]

@rigid viper have pretty tried building dps kazuyo with revelation to try to do doki

[brittle oyster]

i use mio in my doki doki and terror

and niconana too

[shrewd imp]

what are the damage sims for kazuyo

ok give me one sec

let me throw my xiada gear onto kazuyo and see if she can clear hell 4

[brittle oyster]

my kazuyo is ah

[shrewd imp]

i have a good feeling that she can

[brittle oyster]

she's on eff acc rn

[rigid viper]

Yeah, we did - it's valid tactic

[shrewd imp]

wait it's clearing pretty fast

[rigid viper]

you can play full support team

[shrewd imp]

you can throw freya with revelation set too

[rigid viper]

with Revelation Kaz, Revelation Freya, Revelation Celince

no DPS needed

[brittle oyster]

is Level 4 S3 Mio enuff?

[shrewd imp]

eh it's good but it's more of a pvp thing

you'd want mio s2 maxed instead if you used her in doki

[brittle oyster]

I can reset her

I can like uh put her S3 to Level 2, yk?

Just for increase chances

then max her S2, maybe?

the rest of my lattices will go to Holden's S3

[shrewd imp]

you can but idk what your game plan is

what are you trying to farm rn

[brittle oyster]

i'm just trying to uh

get through the stages

[shrewd imp]

which ones

[brittle oyster]

like get to hell for the 3 lines

terror and doki

i can reset mio and uhh redo her skill ups

i have 4 more p.latt

i need 2 to max holden's s3

[shrewd imp]

terror, diting - dinah - holden - valerian - rin

need to 6* diting and max his lattices out completely

that's your first goal

reset mio, mio doesn't need to be 6*, people only 6* her for more speed in pvp

[brittle oyster]

only not max is s1

my resources are so spread rn

[brittle oyster]

which skill to level, or just up to what level

[shrewd imp]

none

just use them to upgrade holden first

or

i guess you should pull for rilmocha

and s3 max her

for doki team

i don't think you can look beyond these stages for a while yet anyways

but if you really want

and level 45, and can farm the shadowflame hoyan shellboss

you could just run full support lineup in doki with all revelation set

but maybe that'd be too difficult

just pull for rilmocha

[brittle oyster]

mocha it is, okay, thank you

i need 20 more summs for selector, so

i'll get back here once i progress

thank you so much bru

[upper forge]

nah

kloss #1 prio

u can clear doki without mocha

xiada>mocha on doki anyways

[shrewd imp]

he has neither

look at his box

[brittle oyster]

rin only right, not rin the unbowed?

[shrewd imp]

yes

wait

yes the normal rin

[brittle oyster]

oright

[shrewd imp]

i mean you can pick xiada too if you want

i'm a big xiada advocate

but if you want an easier clear early on it'd be rilmocha

[upper forge]

xiada take a bit investment

s2 and s3 max

and prob must have lily or dokidoki

id suggest you wait till 14th day to get free rando ssr

[shrewd imp]

^

pretty good idea

[upper forge]

then you can decide

[shrewd imp]

your box is missing so many good ssrs

[brittle oyster]

i did not bother rerolling on my first day

[shrewd imp]

tbh not too late to reroll i would say you're still early on in the game

[brittle oyster]

but global s2 is already almost 2 weeks in

[shrewd imp]

yes

you're competing with me in global s2

okay but ya just see what you get on the 14th day before using selector

[brittle oyster]

yeahh i saw u once

[brittle oyster]

okay, thanks!

[brittle oyster]

is this fine?

or get less 10 spd for something else from his shell's passive?

and what would that be

[brittle oyster]

his S3 is alr at Level 4

should I also level his S1?

[warm beacon]

Lol.. couldn’t figure out why Doki kept failing all day on mobile, when hell3 was so stable yesterday in pc client..
mobile didn’t have my kill order saved, and that made my team 0% win rate 😂😂

[warm beacon]

@shrewd imp What's Ditings right modules? I see some putting 2x crit rate, but is that neccesary

[shrewd imp]

his build is very flexible because of his s2 passive

you can do 2 CR 1 CD or 2 CD 1 CR

the end result is the same

[warm beacon]

So no ATK%?

[shrewd imp]

i personally think bis is ATK% + 1 CD + CR, with some good crit rate substats and use fury + momentum set

but if you're using onslaught + w/e

then ATK% loses value since it's additive multiplier

but with onslaught + keen for example

you'd rather have triple crit mods

[warm beacon]

I see

[shrewd imp]

but yes the math with CR and CD is because of his S2 passive maxed

any overflow 100% becomes 1.5x CD

[warm beacon]

if I run onslaught keen with triple crit rate, is there a +atk goal i want?

[shrewd imp]

use the hell 4 clear times as your benchmark

ones with onslaught

[warm beacon]

i see

[shrewd imp]

i found one for you

3800

triple crit modules

[warm beacon]

cheers

[shrewd imp]

that's how i've been using the clear times

to gauge how far away my team is

works wonders instead of guessing

[warm beacon]

Havnt done much terror, so onslaught mods are kinda meh, this will have to do for now. will have to see how much i can clear i guess

[shrewd imp]

is this 6*

shell maxed?

[warm beacon]

no no

31/45

[shrewd imp]

oh okay

because i would be worried haha

[warm beacon]

shell lvl 40 not ascended

[shrewd imp]

👍

[warm beacon]

Waiting for a better impirnt before ascending

[shrewd imp]

you can always ascend

and imprint later

[warm beacon]

Havnt done any recon either

[shrewd imp]

oh

you meant ascending diting

not the shell

[warm beacon]

Not sure how imprinting works i guess 😄
Do i imprint from the unleveled shell, and it consumes my leveled one and then keep the matrix?

[shrewd imp]

yes

exactly

you also keep the passives from your old shell

[warm beacon]

oh whats why then. was a bit confused

[shrewd imp]

ya feels weird..

[warm beacon]

Btw. when 2x event starts, is it 2x on all modes at the same time?

[shrewd imp]

tbh i have no clue, i've heard different things

[warm beacon]

alrihgt

[shrewd imp]

1 - 3 days, 2x for modules next day investigation, next day gp outpost

2 - 2 days, 2x for those 3 all day both days

[warm beacon]

will farm some xp-cards for diting, so i finally can get my 2nd 6 star 😄

[shrewd imp]

i'm probably going to be farming for messiah and diting

all their skillups

and rest of the time, modules

[shrewd imp]

my prog so far though been farming inferno nico mostly

[floral sand]

👀

cracked

[floral sand]

What'd you guys think should be my 4th 6* and (Perfect) lattice targets?
At the moment in terms of skill-ups I've already invested into:

• Lily S1
• Massiah S3
• Diting S2, S3, S1(level 4)
• Valerian S3
• Fangus S2
• Kazuyo the Reverie S3
• SSania S1

[shrewd imp]

The exclusive Blessing Galore event is set to start on June 21 (UTC+8) and will last for two days. During this event, [Investigation], [Threshold], and [GP Outpost] will have double drop rates.

yea seems like all modes same time, i didn't read it carefully

kloss s3 to level 3

[warm beacon]

i see.. so will have to choose. Mods seems like the obvious winner.

[shrewd imp]

no need to go further @floral sand

and fangus s1 after

then ssania s1

[floral sand]

Oh sorry forgot to include that one

Was thinking of not doing Fangus S1 because hell IV terror is pretty much secured

[shrewd imp]

ya but what about inferno

[floral sand]

I'm level 44 and thought by the time I'm 50 I could level something up in the meantime that might help more with doki/aurora

I'm at doki hell 1/2 and aurora hell 2

[shrewd imp]

hmm

kloss level 3 will help doki a lot

but for aurora...

maybe beyontin

[floral sand]

I thought Linglou was the staple or is it Beyontin later on?

[shrewd imp]

the aurora hell 4 fast clears are usually

[floral sand]

I was planning something like this

[shrewd imp]

diting beyotin dinah yang lingluo

seems solid to me

[floral sand]

oh dang our server is behind so this is ours

One of those is the same though yeah

[shrewd imp]

dang

these all have beyontin s2 level 4

seems kind of broken for diting

[floral sand]

tbf I don't mind a 2m clear that much but having said that, I'm bad at deciding 😂

So the choices for now that you've mentioned:

• Kloss S3
• Beyontin S2(level 4)
• Fangus S1

[shrewd imp]

ye

kloss s3 to level 3

best one to do rn

maybe you won't need to do fangus for a while

but not sure what other sr you'd want to skill up

for sr's i only have skillups in diting, valerian, fangus and kazuyo

[floral sand]

Only SR I could think of is Marvell but then again, not using him really.

[floral sand]

What do you do with your other purple lattices?

[shrewd imp]

nothing

i have a lot sitting

[floral sand]

oh dang

[shrewd imp]

ok not really a lot

[nimble trout]

Hey guys I’m 2 days into the game and I’m pretty new to the team building in it so I was wondering which of these characters I should try to focus on?

[floral sand]

Do I perhaps have a DPS that might need skill-ups? I was thinking that 2 DPS weren't really enough. Would try to start building a little bit more towards PvP with still uses in PvE if possible.

If there's someone like that in my box.

For example GvG started and I need to put in 3 teams but I only have 2 DPS

[shrewd imp]

if you want to know the busted tech right now

[floral sand]

👀

[shrewd imp]

freya and kazuyo

with revelation set

stacking atk%

on right side

[floral sand]

Aaaaa think I've heard of that yeah, is that intended or a bug?

[shrewd imp]

it's intended... but the damage is not tuned correctly for pvp

i've been doing some super cheese in my arena matches though

super fast lily -> s2 to my kazuyo with decent speed -> sleep with 150% acc into skipping the entire enemy team's turn

and then killing them with freya -> messiah

haven't lost once since doing it

freya with revelation set too

[shrewd imp]

tbh focus on lian + diting early

lian has quests tied to her, you can reset after finishing first page of her questline

and hopefully by the time you pull 350 times, you'd know a better direction

[nimble trout]

ahhhh ok that makes sence i was wondering why people were saying progrsion was pretty quick

[floral sand]

😂

[nimble trout]

tyy

[floral sand]

That's insane

[shrewd imp]

ya try it out

it is not normal

you will still lose to faster lily(s) though ofc but if yours is faster it's just over

i might reset my xiada by the end of the reset event though

[floral sand]

Wut why?

[shrewd imp]

revelation set is due for a nerf

xiada just abuses revelation for pve

without revelation proc = 3stack ult does like 5-10% of enemy hp on inferno

with revelation proc = 50+%

xiada's s2 stacks up her atk% pretty high esp with an attack buff

revelation scales off your atk stat

and then her ult has 4 hits that occur

just the perfect unit to use revelation

@rigid viper

do you have the damage numbers for xiada... if you just do full atk build instead of crit, would it be higher since revelation

[floral sand]

Hmm I guess Kloss S3 level 3 is fair

[shrewd imp]

ye all the kloss players i see only level it up to 3

makes sense to me

[floral sand]

Only SRs to lattice I could think of are Kraken or Marvell but out of those two Marvell would be preferred but I'm kinda not using him atm.

[shrewd imp]

he's useful

in pvp and ethernet rally

marvell

[shadow eagle]

Is this thread for help on who to build in general? I'm pretty new (day 3, level 12) and I keep pulling damage units and I'm very confused on what to do/level up/farm

[shrewd imp]

i can try

[shadow eagle]

Thanks! My SSR pulls have been Xiada (x2 😭 ) , Tiamat, Lilith, and Rilmocha

[shrewd imp]

hmmmmmmmm

did u pull diting

he's an SR

[shadow eagle]

For notable SRs, I have Chiaki The Echo, Kazuyo The Reverie. I think those are the only two I have that are higher on this tier list: https://www.prydwen.gg/etheria-restart/tier-list/

[shrewd imp]

time to reroll

[floral sand]

Thank you

[floral sand]

Oh right and who would you recommend to 6* from my box?

[shadow eagle]

Really? My standard banner pity has been like 20 so I thought I was doing really well. RIP 😭

[shrewd imp]

maybe kloss

tbh you can keep playing if you want @shadow eagle the pulls are pretty good, but none of them tie together well except for maybe pvp because of tiamat + lilith and doki

but pretty much the goal of the game is to eventually farm the 3 dungeon bosses
Terrormaton
Dokidoki
Aurora

the meta for
Terrormaton rn is (Shadow Sania + Lily) / Diting / Messiah
Dokidoki - Rilmocha / Xiada / Messiah + kloss
Aurora - Diting / Xiada / Rosa / Messiah

and lily > kloss > freya are the universal supports that fit in every comp

the units you have are all kind of tied to just dokidoki, and without diting you'd have a very hard time in the other ones at least

i was suggesting to reroll because you can actually go from

level 1 -> 17 on the first day

if you use the crystals to refresh stamina

[shadow eagle]

Ahh I see. Wait really? Whoa

[shrewd imp]

which you should be doing until 35

yes so your prog is still within first day in my mind

[shadow eagle]

Wow this feels so different from other gatchas I've played before.

[shrewd imp]

ya the game's not balanced, find the right units or be in pain

[shadow eagle]

Sad 😦

Ok thank you!

[shrewd imp]

the best reroll you could find is lily though

[floral sand]

Is there someone that I'd want to look at and start building next? I guess Beyontin would be a candidate, who else perhaps?

[shrewd imp]

if you hit that, even without a dps start you will be fine because she enables a lot of dps to be 'playable', since she pretty much gives your carry additional turns, extra s1 attacks and cooldown resets for them

[floral sand]

I was thinking either Holden or Beyontin, Holden for Terror Inferno and Beyontin cause she seemed a pretty good support overall.

[shrewd imp]

holden is a good one, i want to build him because he's also great in pvp

beyontin is good for juicing diting, will be very helpful in some content

i also suggest sania

to level 5

5*

i've been going through eternet rally, because of the type limitations, sonia is very useful in there

[floral sand]

Sania? Really?

Guess could do that yeah

[shrewd imp]

i guess you don't have to

until you run into the roadblock

[floral sand]

With the double event coming up might as well

Does Holden need any skill-ups?

[shrewd imp]

yes but depending on what you want him to do

carry s1 > s3 > s2
support s3 > s2 > s1

but tbh

i think his s1 max is more important

just for the extra speed

even as support

since you need him outspeeding lily

[floral sand]

That is roooough

[floral sand]

Is Kloss the clear winner there?

[shrewd imp]

yes\

[floral sand]

Kloss it shall be

[warm beacon]

Game is trying to do a late night troll.
Was wondeirng why I had Kazuyo and Valerion in my Terror team on autoplay. Then I saw Valerion do Diting s3 ... 🤦‍♂️
Just a visual bug

[floral sand]

😂

[daring grove]

Hi im back, this is how everything is going with my account

Terror hell 2, doki hell 1 (haven try higher), aurora nightmare 3

[warm beacon]

Wondering if I should keep summoning just to have a chance to get SSania team up and running 😂

[shrewd imp]

don't fall for the doomposting

there have been clears with people using diting and messiah on inferno terror

they just don't show up because it's not faster than ssania and it's not common yet

just need to keep farming better gear for your team

[warm beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-salute-school-of-rock-ready-let-ggo-gif-5159062

I already see improvements eventhough Diting isnt 6star or at even half decent modules, so thats good.
I guess I make the switch to Diting only, when he actually have good modules.

[shrewd imp]

a strong diting team will clear and have a better auto rate than ssania early on, you can auto with ssania team but you need some crazy gear such as 250-270 lily and holden being faster than lily and everyone being relatively fast while building defensive + eff acc

the gear requirement is just as insane to auto

[tall lion]

Its always lian gray valerian under level 25-30. You can reset them with event later. And you need to do at least 200 to see what line up you have for mid game

[warm beacon]

I feel like all the Unions im in just die slowly.-.. down to 20 members now. 86% on second boss.

[shrewd imp]

are you global?

[warm beacon]

europe

[shrewd imp]

[warm beacon]

Have you bought anythingi n moduleshop yet?

Also.. I know saving summoning is good and all, but wouldn't it be worth summong to get the golden lattice in summon shop?

[shrewd imp]

ya i've used it all on momentum pieces

but they all suck

and ya i mean up to you

i think the amount of tickets you get reduced by quite a bit

the further you are into the game

[warm beacon]

Probably yeah. just sitting on around 50 right now. Have Holden but not hte other one.

is momentum the best of the best

[floral sand]

If you can constantly sustain 4 debuffs on the enemy it should be marginally better than keeneye

[warm beacon]

alright.

Massiah s1 or Kloss s3?
Maxed already: Lily s1 and Massiah s2 and s3.

[floral sand]

I decided to do Kloss S3 level 3

[warm beacon]

PRobably not the biggest difference for me, either more damage or more control 🤷‍♂️

[floral sand]

20% not landing a def break is probably pretty big where there are multiple targets for example DokiDoki

[warm beacon]

True.

[warm beacon]

How is your infinity train going? rough mode..

[brittle oyster]

Is this Holden okay?

[shrewd imp]

not bad

@rigid viper do you have the damage sim numbers of
momentum + fury vs momentum + battlewill for revelation? i assume revelation proc is still active on the battlewill followup so it doesn't sound too bad

[rigid viper]

the numbers are on each dps profiles

well most of them

[shrewd imp]

was curious between how big of a dps increase fury would be compared to a followup attack

[rigid viper]

overall calcing battlewill

is just impossible

we average it

and if it procs 0 times for you

it's no increase

[shrewd imp]

but it could be very high right if the rev set procs on the turn you do a followup attack

[rigid viper]

yeah, like if it procs - just keep in mind that if you play Lily with your DPS

you don't get double procs

so if your DPS assists Lily, it won't proc battlewill

[shrewd imp]

o ya i assumed that bc of the bramble lily interaction

[shrewd imp]

use this guy as a guideline for holden dps team and build

even though it's like max duped, i think the idea behind the team makes a lot of sense

ah sorry last question @rigid viper so for momentum, what is the breaking point of # of debuffs where it does more damage than for example keeneye 12 set or 45% onslaught

because i feel like it can't be that great compared to the other ones with only 1 debuff applied on average...

unless it is

[rigid viper]

most often it's 3

we did calcs for 3 and 6

below 3 it's worse

like this is massiah

[shrewd imp]

awesome this is exactly the data i needed!!

now time to figure out how i'm gonna get 3 debuffs in a xiada comp

i guess -freya +marvelle/kloss/holden depending on the content

sounds good

[rigid viper]

Within 2 weeks, we will have a dps calculator on site

that allows you mix and match the sets

to check the damage output

[shrewd imp]

ty

[brittle oyster]

Who's a good alternative for Lily?

I don't have Lily

[shrewd imp]

dokidoki or dorthy the wisher

[brittle oyster]

okay thanks

wat are their builds

actually i can look them up, thank you

[late kernel]

Could somebody help me with what to do for my account aswell, currently i can farm hell 4 terror and doki, have build anything for auora

[shrewd imp]

u got diting?

[late kernel]

Oh yea, have maxed out diting

Have all 3 star units

[shrewd imp]

well your aurora team is probably like

diting + dinah + lingluo + viper/yang (yang faster clears for hell 4, but viper is better in inferno) + valerian(sustain) /beyontin (speed clear)

@late kernel

[errant olive]

Diting

Asp

[shrewd imp]

so you're looking at
diting dinah lingluo yang beyontin
or
diting dinah lingluo viper valerian