Tiamat is nerfed too hard?

[hot hare]

Ohhh you tested her alreaydy ?? How did you get access to the game ??

[cloud elbow]

There was a beta window you could sign up for. it finished somewhere on the 19th of May though, I forgot

[hot hare]

No no since the nerf

[cloud elbow]

oh no i didn't but she was healing just "fine" before. going from 30% to 10% is like wtf. It's not even cut in half or 10%, its 20% less. Not to mention that the healing received is also nerfed simultaneously. Sure it stacks and that is nice but it's a 1% less each stack so for me do one or the other. Not both. Might as well not have a heal tbh

[hot hare]

The champ was too broken imo

so the nerf was predictable

We will see at launch if its too hard or not

[cloud elbow]

it will be, i am sure of it. Also this nerf might be "justified" in PVP but in PVE she got sent into the shadow realm lol

[silk crow]

so another useless post

this is embarrassing for the mods at this point

[cloud elbow]

how is this a useless post? are you telling me nerfing a unit to fit pvp and perform "meh" and then in PVE the aftermath is even worse is good for the game?

[vital igloo]

In any gacha with PvP and pve that does patches, balance will affect both. SW, epic seven (tho nerfs are once in a blue moon)

[cloud elbow]

its not just this unit, its units in general. If that how the game will be, i might skip it altogether

[vital igloo]

Tiamat isn’t even a BiS pick for any content in PvE anyways

[silk crow]

then skip it, they literally told you this is how it would be

and you seem shocked that they are doing what they said

??????????

[vital igloo]

Her nerf was targeted for PvP cuz of her pick rate and annoying meta with sania and lingluo

[silk crow]

https://tenor.com/view/and-we-say-bye-bye-donald-trump-gif-15409398

[cloud elbow]

i played them both and i know this happens, all im saying is that its not OK to nerf a unit so much in PVP and become also useless in every other game

[hot hare]

The game is pvp oriented

Pve is a way to Pvp

[silk crow]

are you saying youre incapable of coming up with another idea to clear ai driven content?

[vital igloo]

1. This game is pvp focused

2. She’s not even useless in other modes. She’s still going to be a safe pick in content but she won’t be BiS in any of the content

Nerfing a unit is 100% okay

[hot hare]

She wsnt Bis anyway so

[spare canopy]

She wasn't bis in any of the pve content last beta lmao

[vital igloo]

Yea that’s my point I made earlier

[vital igloo]

!!

[hot hare]

yeah yeah

[cloud elbow]

i never said she was bis lol????

[tiny marsh]

If you gear her properly she will still probably be fine to the same breakpoint in PvE. She needed something to make her less oppressive PvP, we will see if this was enough. I don't think this was too much tbh

[hot hare]

She's still a good pick if you have nothing else

[spare canopy]

What is your argument then? They should just never nerf and go E7 style and make every new character have to be the counter for something OP?

[hot hare]

Kraken and marvell nerf : Mio is out

[vital igloo]

Prior to the nerf she never was anyways. She was always a good and still is a good safe pick but she needed a nerf for PvP and that’s not even a hard pill to swallow. We saw this in the tournaments and the entirety of RTA in the beta

[vital igloo]

Exactly. This no nerf philosophy is complete garbage and will ruin the game’s balance so hard

[hot hare]

SW vision is the option

Balance patch every month ?? 2 month ?

Changing Meta, Changing way of playing

[vital igloo]

Balance patch every month or so seems pretty fair for a PvP focused game

[cloud elbow]

well we'll see, the pool of sustainers are dwindling though and there arent that many (at this moment) to begin with. If people are unlucky with pulls you can end up with none or an average one at best. if you dont pull hellkid or lingluo you are screwed i feel.

but yes SW balances things well

[hot hare]

Lingluo 7Days

[vital igloo]

Lingluo is free

And she got buffed

[hot hare]

Sanya and the light healer still exist

[loud bear]

Hellkid/chiaki/sania/ligluo/mia even vice

[cloud elbow]

thats true too, shes cracked af

[vital igloo]

Chiaki also got buffed yea

So sustainers seems to be pretty fine it’s just that the overpowered ones received a slight nerf to be more in-line

[hot hare]

its rlly "crying" on nerf with no vision on the whole game

[vital igloo]

Sania’s still gonna be strong with the heals (slight nerf) but she will no longer heal when CC’d

[silk crow]

regardless of that, this is just annother post of the same thing

its like the dupe situation

we get 100 of these

[loud bear]

that was a bug anyway so its fine

[cloud elbow]

but tiamat feels like a nothingburger, decent at pvp and asides that "meh". like no one is going out of their way to pull for her. like would you pull if shes on the limited? no you wont

[vital igloo]

Glad it’s fixed then cuz it felt really annoying to deal with

[wet tree]

This nerf only means you gotta draft healer with her which should be norm

[silk crow]

so she sucks, great...find a new character

[wet tree]

She shouldnt work oppressive as standalone unit

[hot hare]

Yeah she was doing 3 job at once

DPS Tank heal

[wet tree]

Exactly

[gusty oar]

While maybe the post itself isn't usless, what seems to be the issue is some conclusions are drawn without tests.

I understand the concept of numbers don't lie but like most games (and it seems etheria in particular) might have waaaaaay too many variables.

[vital igloo]

I don’t think that’s true. Tiamat is still a staple in PvP if you’re a turn 2 player. She’s the only unit in the game that has dmg share so that can stack with other forms of dmg reduction

On top of being able to abuse bramble set so well

[silk crow]

correct, all of these posts come within 24 hours, or less of a balance patch...immediately hit with "how could the people creating the game be so dumb and do this...yeah they have all the data and probably know better than me but still my unit got nerfed and i have to think of something else"

[cloud elbow]

ill see how she plays after the nerf. to me it seems a bit much but we'll see. and its not my unit, i own 0 units in the real game we are testing

[gusty oar]

It does seem to be a "trend"/pattern at this point.

Me personally, I'm OK with people voicing concerns such as:

• X unit is nerfed too hard

provide the 'nerfed too hard part' as accurate as possible, provide good examples of how negative impactful it is d it would be lovely to have a solution.

[fluid flame]

here we go again

[silk crow]

ill be okay with it once the game is live and people are playing with it...until then its just conjecture, at best

[fluid flame]

pls stop take cope

[gusty oar]

I think most would agree the more statistical, objectively factual (visual/video) data you provide the easier it will be to take a statement/concern/feedback seriously

[wet tree]

Meant it by as she should need sustain with her so heal reduction is minimal that case since she should be healed alrdy

This is why ppl shouldnt make posts like this until tested unit for atleast a week

[fluid flame]

its hillarious how many ppl cry about buff and nerfs jsut take it or quit the game before release holy fck

[silk crow]

we could only be so lucky

[fluid flame]

yeah

[gusty oar]

Yeah, it will be funny if it 3nds up being fine/passable but you can just see and "feel" the impact on a arguably marginal scale....

[fluid flame]

[cloud elbow]

and again i played SW for 5-6 years and i was G1 in RTA for 5-6 seasons so no I can adapt and change and find solutions to the nerfs by equipping sets on the new flashy buffed units instead. but thats also like playing the lottery. You pull X unit and they feel great, then there might be a patch where most of the units you built are affected and then the ones that are buffed are the ones you dont have, skipped or did not build yet.

sometimes its fun, sometimes it feels like a chore

[fluid flame]

this is how it get handled i play many games where this is the case take it or leave simple

[silk crow]

or...what if i stay, and just complain instead

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-wasted-fomo-yeah-gif-15155881

[fluid flame]

true thats easier

[gusty oar]

https://tenor.com/view/phonk-russian-badger-russian-badger-phonk-meme-based-gif-1151806001734917784

A pro gamer move indeed

[cloud elbow]

also again no offense to anyone here, but i did say that i FEEL tiamat is nerfed too much, i never said once OMFG how could they do this. it's more of a brainstorm and gauge what other people feel about it or think and I have been met with omg another useless post, just leave

like very nice community guys

[silk crow]

Tarkov players = This game sucks, the cheaters run rampant, nikita sucks

"Hey bro, we running reserve or custom tonight"

[cloud elbow]

👏

[silk crow]

so then post it on one of the other posts already saying the same thing?

[gusty oar]

Well that's what I tried to explain and others, the problem might not be soo much that you feel... But it might have at one point came across as a statement of fact without decent backing

[silk crow]

heres you one

[fluid flame]

and make an new thread cause of this bro look the others you not the first one when everyone open a thread cause of this we have 1000000 thread with ahh they nerfed that ahhh they nerfed that buff tiamat that she is always full health what is next? 1000 free pulls to the launch?

[cloud elbow]

if i did that then I apologize though i am being attacked left right and center for voicing a personal concern/feeling. that doesnt mean i deserve to be shit on either

[cloud elbow]

nah gacha games too greedy lol, i only want a free 5* selector 😂 👌

[fluid flame]

after 12 days u get a random one dont get greedy

[gusty oar]

Well... See... Maybe I'm wrong, but to me it feels like one or two people may have been flaming you while the rest and maybe majority actually engaged with you to explain and understand your thoughts.

I think this what the youngster call "one-guyed" yesss

[cloud elbow]

eh maybe im too old to speak the language of the young xD

[silk crow]

might be a stretch to say hes being agreed with..nvm you said engaged with

[wet tree]

Why be wrong when you can be right

[gusty oar]

Could be but I'll speak for myself, the moment I saw you saying you FEEL I already was about to give up, and the less DATA you had to back it up the more I had more questions than answers...

[gusty oar]

Yes I was actually very careful to wording that for that very reason... 😅😅😅☕

Almost slipped up ngl 😂😅

[fiery pilot]

Number 1 trend in all of gacha, whine about things you haven't tested cos

[silk crow]

this is where i stopped reading actually

[fluid flame]

[gusty oar]

Yup, but I wanted to make sure to get the whole context and it sucks because most of the time.... It just gets worse😅 so whoever stopped early saved themselves, and I don't mean to be condescending.

[fiery pilot]

Tiamat was nerfed prior to the last beta and thank god we didn't have this channel because she was arguably better in the latest beta after her nerf. People are too obsessed with you can't take this away from me rather than actually letting a game flourish

[wet tree]

Id say she was still stronger before last beta, since they buffed module dungeons

[fiery pilot]

Omg you took 10% off character X's skill, end of the world. Test it first then whine

[gusty oar]

The amount of people who are not aware this game had like... What was it? 5 betas😂😂😂

[cloud elbow]

Well last time ill voice what i feel then. ill just keep to myself

[wet tree]

Could be just me

[silk crow]

i actually dont think its the nerfs or anything anymore...i think there is a precedent set that if you complain, youll be rewarded

so the dopamine receptors go off

[fiery pilot]

I think it's been 7 in total and changes have happened every time but the Devs opened themselves up to all this with the last beta letting people with no game knowledge suggest changes

[fluid flame]

[silk crow]

why post on other threads you when you can play victim

[fiery pilot]

In a world of facts when your dealing with numbers and equations am sorry to say that feelings don't matter, test and then complain with the tested data, 2023 is over with the feelings matter more than facts narrative

[gusty oar]

Personally I'd encourage you to keep going and not give up over a little unnecessary flaming, simply due to this being the internet so some etiquette and unwritten laws work differently.

Furthermore sometimes it's worth to try to see if you did make a mistake and change the approach, if your confident you were perfect wellppp hold your ground.

You'd be surprised how much people would at least give ya credit for that and there's been many cases where one day it circles back and you end being right.....anyways you do you. ☕

[cloud elbow]

i aint playing victim lol, im just tired of this BS. its exhausting, i work full time, its just a game, ppl take things way too serious

[gusty oar]

https://tenor.com/view/killua-gif-23285839

[cloud elbow]

thanks, but in the end i never claimed i was right, just what i felt, feeling = personal

[cloud elbow]

how is that playing victim? im not asking your pity wtf 😂

[spare canopy]

For me it kinda seems you're pushing for no nerfs at all, which ive already seen as highly detrimental in E7. In regards to specific unit nerfs though it's probably better for this kind of feedback until we get to actually test the unit in real time

[cloud elbow]

ill literally will just keep to myself so that these things dont happen again. its just idiotic

[gusty oar]

The same applies if you feel something stand your ground, alsoooooo I hate to be this guy but take your own advice.

You don't have to take someone else's opinion/P.o.V. or even objective facts so seriously.

If someone said:

"Yeah bro just quit game"

I meannn...

Just ignore it 😅

It's not that deep

[cloud elbow]

nah nerfs can be justified, but its true that i dont like nerfs to the point the unit becomes nearly useless

[gusty oar]

Unnecessary sure... But yeah

[silk crow]

Whys it so hard for people to say "You're right. I should have read the other posts and contributed there. I'll do that next time, take care."

[fiery pilot]

Who has become nearly useless?

[silk crow]

and then just delete their post

[gusty oar]

It is strange how I can use the phrase:

"Easier said than done."

[cyan wyvern]

@cloud elbow Leave the thread, let the mods moderate it, as clearly people ignored the pinged thread

[fiery pilot]

Am afraid to say this post is directly against what that pinged thread stated how many of these posts have been deleted already

[cloud elbow]

i might just do that yeah

[cyan wyvern]

i mean the toxicity part

[silk crow]

yeah that goes away if you dont post another useless thread about the same thing

[cloud elbow]

anyways, thanks for the help guys, appreciate it. i wonder if i should just close it or "let it be"

if the dot was a "?" maybe it would have sounded a bit better too lol

anyways peace. i dont think this game is for me after all. There is a reason why i stopped SW after 6 years and E7 after 2-3 years

[fiery pilot]

That's an even more common theme I noticed on this gacha especially, people join up immediately make a thread about nerfs or other nonsense then they are gone the next day 🤣

[gusty oar]

Way better and that's exactly what I said, it came off as a statement of fact with little backing.

It's very hard to keep something CONSTRUCTIVE when the statement is backed by simple personal feelings.

Granted again I'm not in support of:

"oh broken rule we can break it too"

but... Sometimes it's like people ask for it, again that doesn't justify rule breaking actions....

[cloud elbow]

cant change the title anymore sadly, but its also not my fault that people stop reading after 1 sentence and then already made up a false pretence of "ah another one of those whiners about nerfs" when i actually just gave my overall opinion.

[gusty oar]

While I can agree I in fact read the whole thing and it wouldn't help your case.

It is in fact way different to ask the question:

"Is Tiamat nefred too hard?"

And then everything you wrote especially clarifying and specifying this is how you feel, would definitely allow people to have a different view point.

Not saying this guarantees zero potential unnecessary toxic and inflammatory responses, but I can assure you people would engage in the attempt to explain the situation.

If there is one or two rule breaking actions:

1. Ignore
2. Report

Personally if it's not insufferable I ignore and wait for mods to their job ☕

[cloud elbow]

Yeah I know but i already put enter lol. its my 1st ever post on discord in this manner as well so im not used to it

[gusty oar]

Asking a question opens way more room for CONSTRUCTIVE discussion, people will understand that you have this feeling, so they'll explain things factually based on experience and statistical data.

[cloud elbow]

your name might be genuinely tired, but at least to me you seem genuinely kind. I wish more people acted like you. Thanks man 👊

[gusty oar]

Well then, mistakes happen learn from it, evolve and progress...

Sure your not always gonna be wrong but if at one point multiple people say your wrong or disagree... Just stop and self reflect and try to see if you did in fact make a simple mistake...

[gusty oar]

Ngl I just love communicating, yapping is what they call it these days...

Also as for the kindness part... While I appreciate it I'm no angel but this is exactly what I mentioned when it comes to internet etiquette and unwritten laws

Don't expect it here and you know.... "Man-up" sometimes it's not thya bad even if it seems that way

Which again doesn't mean I support rule breaking actions

[cloud elbow]

its a treat to see. I mean im not a little kid/teen but imagine i was and i was like actually upset my favourite character got a nerf and if then i see the comments of what people write here, Im like damn, poor kids xD. And nah its not that deep. Tomorrow is another day. i work too hard to be bothered by things like this lol

[gusty oar]

Understandable my best overall "advice" if you can call it is:

"While in the real world you're better of shooting your shot and taking action, in the virtual world you're better off taking notes before acting"

[fiery pilot]

What have people written to you that is so painful?

[gusty oar]

Which means next time you want to say ask or post.... You might want to take time and see what have other said on the topic already

You get soo much free access to it

Soooo.... You know.... Use it 😅

Saves sooo much time stress etc.

[cloud elbow]

i should literally let the others do all the talking while i eat pop corn. smart XD

[cloud elbow]

nothing painful and nothing i cant handle. Its more the general consensus.

1. write ANYTHING
2. People angry about what you wrote, how little it might be
3. start a useless debate for hours
4. end with more crap that you didnt wish for

[gusty oar]

That's why some people have said:

"another one of those posts"

Cause it sadly is... Like factually.... It's also why the community manager had to make the new rule post.... 😅

Again... Sure could be condescending remark but not worth to get all serious about it and say it's shiting on you.

[fiery pilot]

So your hurt by the fact that other people have different opinions to you? I don't mind getting banned for this but this level of victimhood is insane, the only borderline thing said to you in this thread prior to this was someone saying your playing the victim which you are

[gusty oar]

Sometimes it's the best way to go about it, you get entertainment but you might get your question answered and a bonus you learn something new 😅😅

3 in 1 for the price of 1 ehhh?

[fiery pilot]

Multiple people asked you what testing you had done, people pointing out different characters to use, people pointing out the various betas and the multiple changes but your here statements like this would be so rough for a kid to deal with, a difference of opinion is expected in anything in life

[cloud elbow]

see this is what i mean. 1. i am not hurt. 2. i am not playing victim. 3. you are injecting a perspective you have of me when you dont know me. KINDLY STFU and thank you

how does this sound for a victim buddy

[gusty oar]

....

Welp

Anyways

[cloud elbow]

sorry had to do that lol

[gusty oar]

I'm a get some coffee

[fiery pilot]

Imagine if I was kid and dealing with that response literally what you said 2 minutes ago lmao

[cloud elbow]

can i have a cup? 😮

[fiery pilot]

Level of victimhood is off the scale, am out of this thread that has been deleted 50 times already just 😂

[cloud elbow]

cause imagination is reality? thats why its called imagination

[fiery pilot]

200 replies in this thread and 100 of them are you complaining others don't have the same opinion and getting riled about it, GG lmao

[cloud elbow]

and yet you are still here 😂 getting riled up in a conversation you dont want to have

i mean if i have to draw a door so you can walk out of this conversation i will do it

🚪

Tiamat is nerfed too hard?

[silk crow]

rich considering you said you werent going to play the game

[cloud elbow]

doesnt mean i cant talk to people now can i?

or are you gonna act like a god over my actions as well?

what a take is that?

[silk crow]

https://tenor.com/view/blacklist-the-pot-kettle-gif-21654186

[cloud elbow]

i mean again if you think that me stating "i wont be playing the game" = i am still here typing and talking to people are related, then it says more about you then me

anyways ill be going, this has been uneventful

https://tenor.com/view/made-by-bimasakti-peace-out-ice-age-peace-out-gif-6840390250488818878

[real delta]

Delete feedback?

[cloud elbow]

how do i do that?

[real delta]

Idk about PC but on phone you can click on the title then parameters and i guess it should be there

[cloud elbow]

is it the one that says "delete message"?

[real delta]

Mmmh it should be mentioning the thread

give it a try

[cloud elbow]

ill try buddy thanks! even if you downvoted me, i always appreciate a helping hand 😄

[real delta]

Ahaha all good man, i don’t think you can ever have everyone agree with you on anything

[cloud elbow]

im very noob in discord it seems 🤔

nah its ok lol, you win some you lose some