Dupes working in RTA clarification megathread.

[cedar meadow]

Ok well I can tell you right now there is nothing mods can do in regards to this lol

[steady creek]

Scroll up, theres gonna be an announcmeny in 2 days

[drowsy oyster]

Yeah can we see how the combat actually works too all effectiveness stat said basically amounted to "helps land debuffs"

[steady creek]

Just wait

[jagged moth]

kinda

[cedar meadow]

It's not my choice to disable it or not 🤣

[worthy kiln]

What the mods ||xyro|| gonna do

[warm lynx]

Thousands of people went through the same beta test. Thousands of RTA matches occurred. Not one lead to any feedback thread about anyone noticing dupes making a difference in real fights. During the last day, someone bored decides to test it out and realizes it does apply. Suddenly, everyone retroactively feels like all their previous RTA matches were impacted by this dupes diff and this is the #1 differentiating factor that gave an imaginary advantage to whales.

[woven jay]

They asked a dev and he confirmed, its the reddit post

[steady creek]

So.... coping they lost to wallet kun instead of their iq?

[wary rune]

the advantage to whales is true not imaginary...

[pulsar flax]

Of course nobody would notice in the beta were nobody reached endgame

[steady creek]

Not every match is a whale😭

[wary rune]

never said it was

[marsh tide]

whales didnt pull for dupes because everyone thought they didnt work so no point lmao

[cedar meadow]

Me when I find out that you can spend money on a gacha game and its not equal to P2W vs F2P regardless of the dupe situation

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-tweaking-tweak-freaking-out-freak-out-gif-15844619383535388547

[wary rune]

the more u pull the more dupes u get, intentional or not

[steady creek]

What diff is 1 dupe gonna make...

[woven jay]

just dont say otherwise and we r cool

[marsh tide]

yeah and people stopped pulling once they got copies of the people they wanted

[fallen notch]

Here's some comparisons to other pvp gacha games:

Counterside: 6 dupes total, gets you 6% Dmg Reduction, 6% Dmg Increase and 6% Deployment Resource Refund. Deployment point refund is kind of like the equivalent of speed, but wouldn't affect your turn 1 essentially, since it's a refund and not cost reduction.

Epic Seven: 5 dupes for SSRs, gives 18% attack (about a 5-6% damage increase) or 16.8% crit rate (more significant but still about 40% as strong as 5 dupes here). Speed imprints are definitely much stronger than the dupes here, but they've also stopped doing those altogether on new units.

In comparison, a SINGLE dupe gives 15% extra stats all around (5% hp, 5% def, 5% atk) here, which is close to equal to max dupes in E7 (18% of one stat) if you consider stats equal (which to be fair, they're not). But that means 2 dupes here are already getting close to E7 max dupes, while 3 dupes here would come close to max dupes in Counterside. The 5th dupe here alone is already 3-4x as strong as max dupes combined for most units in E7 (5-6% damage increase vs 10% damage increase and 10% damage reduction), and about as strong as all 6 dupes combined for Counterside. Altogether, it'd probably be about 6x as strong for max dupes as E7, and about 3x as strong as Counterside.

[marsh tide]

why would they keep pulling more if dupes didnt matter

[worthy kiln]

Excuse so you can use it when you lose a fight

[wise drift]

the duality of men

[steady creek]

Tru tru

[pulsar flax]

🤡

[wary rune]

is not the fact whether it is p2w or not, the fact is trying to hide how p2w it is

[viscid remnant]

I dunno, this game is just gonna be another waiting room for an actually competitive team battler with these mechanics.

[marsh tide]

its hard to claim devs didnt know when the CCs and their own official mods kept spouting the same thing

[worthy kiln]

Im about to make this into a tshirt ngl

[drowsy oyster]

Lol I get what you mean, but there is a big difference between spending 300 dollars on an LD unit and unlocking it's potential vs 1500

[wise drift]

first glorp merch fr

[warm lynx]

Miscommunication is one thing but actual impact is different. Unit accessibility and gear/shell diff from stam farming is a far bigger differentiating factor between F2P and whales in RTA

[cedar meadow]

This reminds me of the avitar the last airbender meme with the war thing

[woven jay]

The big marketing was no dupe RTA wtf we are talking about

[pulsar flax]

EVERY single CC covering the game said this 0% Chance they didn't know.
Wasn't Volkin literally here and also has no idea? Again he had the Producer on and had no idea about that.
How is that possible unless it was intentionally obfuscated

[fallen notch]

refreshing does have a cap though, so it's not an infinite money sink, while dupes effectively are

[steady creek]

Wasnt offical marketing as the company never said it was tjough

[wary rune]

the devs gave info to the CC's

[steady creek]

Yea like 10k sink

[pulsar flax]

it's Marketing and PRs job to prevent big missinfo like this from spreading

[worthy kiln]

All done

[marsh tide]

yeah its insane. the least they can do is claim some level of responsibility

[woven jay]

Ok man I am gonna do that video compilation and its gonna hurt

[pliant mango]

5%? ok...

[cedar meadow]

It wont be posted here thats for sure

this isn't the witch hunt thread

[pulsar flax]

instead Marketing let the missinfo become part of their campaign

how

[urban stirrup]

Don't get too personal guys, at the end of the day it's just a game

[fallen notch]

yeah, most units get like 18% atk from 5 dupes, which is about a 5-6% damage increase

[woven jay]

Etheria Each dupe tier gives you:

+5% stats (attack, defense, HP)
Crit Damage
Crit Rate
10% damage dealt increase and 10% damage taken reduction

[wary rune]

last dupe is 10% dr and 10% damage right?

...

[cedar meadow]

I personally think going out of your way to record a bunch of content creators saying dupe sdont work in rta (They had no idea and weren't knowegly or trying to spread that misinformation)
is extreamly unnessary

[fallen notch]

there's some units that get crit rate which is a little more significant, and speed imprints are very broken but those aren't being added to the game anymore, basically only the ones from launch exist

[pulsar flax]

It doesn't even matter weither the dupes actually matter it's about using false info to market the game when it's clearly factual they were aware of the false info being spread

[cedar meadow]

Please make sure to keep this thread stricly to feedback

[marsh tide]

may or may not be biased with that statement eh

[worthy kiln]

Thats some weird shit ngl🤣

[cedar meadow]

it isn't a witch hunt

[pliant mango]

what about 11% hp to all units or 18 % crit chance so you can use those rolls for dmg

[cedar meadow]

Thats what I'm saying

[pliant mango]

its more than 5%

[wary rune]

honestly, they were sponsered by the company... we can hold them accountable for misinformation...

[pulsar flax]

nobody is being witch hunted tho

[fallen notch]

yeah like i said, crit chance ones are higher than 5%, but the 18% atk ones are about 5% which are the most common

[cedar meadow]

You don't know if they were or weren't sponsered

regardless, this isn't the place to call any 1 specific person out

[wary rune]

some have sponswered or #ad in the titles

[marsh tide]

legally speaking you have to disclose if you were sponsored in a video

[cedar meadow]

this was outlined in the original post please remember it.

[marsh tide]

so uh you kind of 100% do know

[pulsar flax]

I'm rewatching the stream rn to see exactly what Jack said

[warm lynx]

There is, but practically speaking most F2P/dolphins won't be able to maintain that long term. But the complaint here at hand is that whales have an unfair advantage over F2P because of the dupes when in reality this advantage is far far less than that which comes from being able to max stam every day and roll for a bigger roster.

[drowsy oyster]

I think its more he's doing it to show how many there were and how unbelievable the "we didn't know" excuse is.

[civic horizon]

A compilation doesn't call out one person, it's calling out the company for not correcting the CC's they're choosing to work with.

[wary rune]

most of the content creators were sponsered at one point or another, i saw tons of #ad of the beta trailer

[winter kernel]

@pulsar flax Sounds like you haven't been on the internet very long, the amount of fake information that gets spread around in online communities is insane. Just look at how many people believe leaks of other gachas and get angry when it's not true.

[steady creek]

And.... how exactly any of that feedback?

[marsh tide]

When the official moderators and partnered CCs say something they cant claim ignorance to what they say

[worthy kiln]

So whats the need to embarrass them like that for? That just sounds like hating clout chasing to me ngl. Im not picking sides though

[woven jay]

They have the chance to calm players and come on top as a good company

[cedar meadow]

Exactly install

[winter kernel]

The devs are also chinese so it's way harder for them to understand what the global playerbase believes

[cedar meadow]

regardless please keep this thread productive, you've made your point

No reason to call out specific individuals, thats extreamly unnessary

[pulsar flax]

Brother we had is part of Marketing via CC word of mouth that had direct communication with the devs....
If we give them the benefit of the doubt it's even worse that the CCs themselves didn't know

[thorny rain]

The disadvantage of gear was already a given getting into the game for f2p, dupes was not

[warm yew]

Maybe they just take their payment (if there is any) for advertising game. Up their view count and move along to the next new game in a few weeks

[woven jay]

Black Beacon did really good with global players I heard

[pliant mango]

rofl

[woven jay]

Etheria is following the Beacon

[civic horizon]

tribe9 too

[wary rune]

dont think anyone was calling out specific individuals, dont think anyone said they were going to do that, again making a video of ALL sponsered creators saying that RTA is dupe free is calling out the company, not the creators

[steady creek]

Now your just doom posting...

[pliant mango]

its not

[bright grotto]

This isn’t an excuse. If you’re advertising to a global audience, you in one way or another have an intepreter to be the messenger

[woven jay]

Etheria: Eos new name

[urban stirrup]

I think this shouldn't be a witch hunt but also taking some accountability for the situation at hand is fair

[fallen notch]

I think rolling for a bigger roster isn't a huge advantage, but agree that gear could be a big difference early on. Thing with gear though, is that there's diminishing returns, so once f2p players get good gear, the p2w players will have gear that's maybe like 5% better. They'll have more units built in total, but most of the time you only need ~10 units to compete effectively in a specific meta. It's possible that some metas will be more f2p friendly than others, but if you have the right units for the meta you shouldn't be at a significant disadvantage because of gear or roster. In the short term, the stamina refreshes will matter more, for the long term the dupes will matter most.

[pulsar flax]

Etheria Restarting my Company from Zero

[steady creek]

It also shouldnt be doom posting though...

[urban stirrup]

Absolutely

[cedar meadow]

Ok this will be the last warning to keep it productive, if you dont have feedback about the topic, or are talking about doom posting you will just be timed out.

[woven jay]

Etheria: Falldown

[cedar meadow]

keep the feedback productive.

[urban stirrup]

Like this, is just counterproductive

[pliant mango]

xD

[worthy kiln]

Like you guys like the game yet you want to drag this on making videos about a mistake when Jack said he would get everything cleared up in a couple days. There isnt a point bringing the community down with negativity. Everyone is not on discord so what do you think is gonna happen on the outside? Just a more negative impact on the game which we dont need. And thats not fair to everyone

[pliant mango]

he is just begging for the ban

[warm lynx]

I don't think any of the content creators were even aware until recently that dupes do apply in RTA. They just misinterpreted some words, noticed it didn't conflict with their experience, and took it as truth. And throughout the beta, they continued to not experience any outliers that conflicted with this, so they continued mistakenly believing it as the truth. This just shows how non-impactful this was in real scenarios.

[pulsar flax]

At this point we're waiting for an official response

[pearl ivy]

relax zekiel

[tawdry robin]

Hi, where can I refund?

[wary rune]

jack said he would get everything cleared up????

[fringe mesa]

are refunds possible?

[worthy kiln]

Yes

[cedar meadow]

Contact customer support for refund help

[wise drift]

he said 1 or 2 days, u guys gotta go to #announcement and wait for this

[wary rune]

where?

[civic horizon]

Customer support told me they do not have the option to do refunds.

[steady creek]

If you scroll up.....

[pliant mango]

scroll up

[pliant mango]

actually screenshotted 😄

[pearl ivy]

now you can chill tf out

[civic horizon]

maybe pin this?

[pulsar flax]

Again I just feel the beta timeframe itself wasn't long enough to determine weither or not it actually matters because nobody not even the whales were in endgame yet alone played long enough for the minmaxxing part of the game to matter or show itself

[woven jay]

I like the game and I want it to be what was advertised, no hate

[wary rune]

yeah should pin

[cedar meadow]

I agree, thank you

[pliant mango]

now you saying you only should notice the difference in endgame?

[pulsar flax]

It's unclear weither or not it matters because we have no proper timeframe to measure

[pearl ivy]

just be patient till we get the announcement from papi Jack

[pliant mango]

if the dupes are so huge thing shouldnt you notice it instantly

[steady creek]

Not really if they were f2p.

[short herald]

like 1000 or so comments up

[worthy kiln]

Bc i cant let something happen to this game. This is literally my last one i was gonna give my all in. Dislyte really screwed up being extra p2w. And outerplane gave up potential they had and decided to become a waifu almost big booba collector

[warm yew]

Difference between a single dupe and a full team at max dupe.

[pulsar flax]

When else would you notice? At the start were everyone has random gear?

[mortal knot]

This. I spent $400 on this premise.

[steady creek]

Wasnt outerplane a idle game?

[pulsar flax]

same

[drowsy oyster]

Also the last node is by far the most impactful. Highly unlikely even whales maxed out every character they used in the beta

[worthy kiln]

No

[pliant mango]

i mean f2ps pretty sure could max dupe some srs

on beta

[pulsar flax]

I don't want the game to die

[pliant mango]

and see how it worked

[steady creek]

Hmm maube im thinking about the wrong game

[analog flame]

Its probably gonna be lost in there somewhere but ill add my drop into the ocean. I absolutely loved the game during the 9 days of beta and i think its awesome, i wanna compete in the enviroment where f2p/low spenders/whales are all equal and thats what was advertised for us, players! I hope devs will see this and the outlash from community and keep the dupes turned off in both pvp and rta ! much love

[worthy kiln]

Similar to e7 i guess you can say

[marsh tide]

its most noticeable with dpses which SRs would f2ps have maxed and built and used for pvp

[steady creek]

I just remember playing a game with boobies like outerplane but it was idle

[marsh tide]

also this is a 2 week beta of people first time playing the game

they have no reference point

if they just got gear gapped

or dupe gapped

[tawdry robin]

Sadly I will have to refund my 4000$ invemestment, since everyone of my friends said dupes dont count in RTA

[warm lynx]

We have one thread here complaining about the balance that supposedly only applies in an end game that no one has experienced. And then we have another thread complaining about the balance of a SR unit who is widely used in early game but known to fall off later on in end game. The duality of gacha gamers

[worthy kiln]

Ngl every game now is 🍑🍑🍑and not enough 🍆🍆🍆

[winter kernel]

I agree it's bad and incompetent that nobody clarified this but I'm not gonna assume the company malicously held the information back to make people spend in this beta
EDIT: Especially when they have been this open with us so far compared to something like Infinity Nikki rasing pity without saying anything which is pure malicious in my view

[pulsar flax]

Exactly I want an equal playing field in the spirit of the law aka everyone can theoritically have the same Chance which is the only way a gacha can do this in the first place anyways

[pliant mango]

why only dps? 10 % increase on dmg and 10% dmg reduction should work same way to both sides

[cedar meadow]

I believe they will make changes based on the feedback thus far

[finite fiber]

ofc you can tell if you got gear gaped or or dupe gaped dont talk nonsense

[pulsar flax]

I'm not necessarily attributing malice when it could be incompetent PR.
Regardless somebody in the team messed up in communication

[wise drift]

https://tenor.com/view/majin-majin-buu-buu-dbz-anime-gif-10772993168248183190

[steady creek]

Gear gapped is pretty obvious, they nuking your entire team😂

[pulsar flax]

hope so!

[woven jay]

I mean we asking to leave dupes out of a single pvp mode ( as advertised ), are we so wrong?

[marsh tide]

because its alot easier to notice youre hitting way harder than you should compared to hmm thats a tanky sania

[cedar meadow]

@pearl ivy R u joking sending that emoji

cya in 60 seconds

[pliant mango]

ok 😄

[cedar meadow]

dont send that again

Angry

[marsh tide]

we did some testing last night when reddit thead popped up it was super egregious on dps

[umbral cloud]

[winter kernel]

Alright, it just started sounding like people were jumping on the conspiracy train that this was all a ploy to bait people

[bright grotto]

I think as long as they stay away from crit rate nodes for dupes, it’s an easy solution to just turn off dupes for RTA

[pearl ivy]

@cedar meadow yes

[cedar meadow]

lol

[steady creek]

People did jump on that train ngl

[warm lynx]

This would make RTA have to not take in any personal account progression. Aka no gear, no shells, no dupes, no missing units, nothing. Just a full roster of pre-built max stats units with perfect gear to choose from.
You're not asking for an RTA balance tweak. You are asking for a whole separate game mode.
This can be valid feedback/suggestion, but this is unrelated to this topic.

[tawdry robin]

No this is 100% the case, they maliciously held back information in content creators streams that are affiliated and had devs on stream etc.

[median hare]

im ngl i'll take dupes working over the stamina gap from whales

[cedar meadow]

I truly believe etheria restart (XD) will figure out a way to make all parties happy.

[median hare]

together tho is like turbo cancer

[wise drift]

@pearl ivy

[worthy kiln]

WHY DO I ALWAYS MISS EVERYTHING

[steady creek]

You dont even know both sides of thr story yet

[pulsar flax]

While I appreciate the gesture I feel like this could also be a result of leaving the Producer alone talking english without a fluent interpreter with him.
The missinfo must have come from somewhere afterall.

[cedar meadow]

Yep

[plush night]

i sold my house to invest into etheria now i don't feel so good anymore

[fringe mesa]

my friends and i are a group of highly invested individuals, and we want an answer, soon! 🙂 this is notok🤷‍♂️

[worthy kiln]

@gleaming hill also i got it

[tender fiber]

I feel this way too, I will refund my 915$ if the dupes are working like that in RTA

[pearl ivy]

I feel you man

[finite fiber]

so your telling me the other non whales who was playing rta during the beta couldnt notice this s5 op difference during the whole beta?

[cedar meadow]

I know that he is extreamly passitionite about the game, to say he maliciously did this in a lying way is just straight up wrong and disrespectful

[steady creek]

Just wait 2 or 3days

[plush night]

[cedar meadow]

I have no doubt this negative can be turned into a positive, we just have to wait and see 🙂

[steady creek]

Very disrespectful imo talking behind someoens back

[marsh tide]

ill tell you i have friends who spent well over 1000 and theyre missing 5 SSRs let alone having the units they built c5

[cedar meadow]

16 days is more then enough time

[wary rune]

i mean if they dont do something, the content creators will join the discussion and that would be bad

ya

[cedar meadow]

Jack said 2-3 days, that is fine. We can give them time.

[drowsy oyster]

I don't think it's a conspiracy, but this info was spread enough that just saying, "welp we didn't know every cc was saying dupes arnt active. Sorry, they are. Peace out" will upset a lot of people

[marsh tide]

people wouldnt have c5 built SSRs if they didnt think dupes were disabled in rta

[tawdry robin]

My group of people is also highly invested and intellectual, I feel you. I didnt want to pass up on doubling my money with the rebate, but now it all feels wasted

[fringe mesa]

they have 16 days to change things, or they will have to take the losses of my group

[gleaming hill]

Heck fuck yeah

[pearl ivy]

I believe in Jack

[pulsar flax]

I mean unironically yea this will become bad if they don't get ahead of the conversation

[finite fiber]

ok so they have all the units? i was missing 4 ssr in beta and i spent 100$

[steady creek]

They already did volkin and timssu. They recommended alternating seasons dupe and no dupe

[gleaming hill]

Shaking in my boots youre such a chad anon

[marsh tide]

nope missing units still. people are extraordinarly downplaying how hard it is to stumble into a c5 in this game

[pearl ivy]

what's the point of dupe and no dupe season? just do one or the other

[finite fiber]

im ont saying its hard im saying its not that op i was top 30 rta

[analog flame]

Guys, maybe we can turn this whole situation into devs listened moment :D

[marsh tide]

especially on the units people were running for pvp

[mortal knot]

Communication issues arent always malicious.

Malicious intent is usually gaslit into being said its "just a communication issue."

A lot of people then make conflationary errors when they don't see how it could have been miscommunication.

[steady creek]

I mean... srs are quite easy

[fringe mesa]

its their loss

[marsh tide]

the whole point is no one pulled for dupes in beta cause there was no point

so you wouldnt have had to fight C5s which were the biggest offenders

[sharp dagger]

Yeah why be inconsistent. Just stay on one thing, no reason to switch between the other

[finite fiber]

the rebait people spent 10k are you slow?

[wise drift]

im having trouble understanding this message, my english bad fr

[pulsar flax]

Just go further and disable dupes in all PvP

[marsh tide]

yeah let me notice the Marvel who isnt built for bulk or dmg whatsoever do 10% more dmg

[marsh tide]

show proof

highest ive seen from someone is 6k

[steady creek]

The viper dude...

[wise drift]

please use american english

[tawdry robin]

10k is nothing, I personally spent way more and I feel robbed

[finite fiber]

people have posted images of the tickets in this thread

[marsh tide]

show it

[cedar meadow]

I rather have dupes in pvp then no dupes at all in pvp, I think they should reduce the power you get from them though.

[marsh tide]

go ahead

[pearl ivy]

trust me, those who spent a lot went ham on summons regardless of that "issue in the rta"

[plush night]

only two more sundays where i can go to church and pray to the lord for a dupe change

[finite fiber]

im not your fucking google check the thread yourself

[marsh tide]

make claim and show no proof

gg

[pulsar flax]

company can be stupid instead of evil

[finite fiber]

i told you its in this thread

[pulsar flax]

hope this helps

[steady creek]

Guys no personal attacks

[wary rune]

i just want no dupes in RTA like they adventised through their sponsered creators

[warm lynx]

I dropped $6k just to roll 1 copy of Heinrich and literally maxed out almost every other character in the pool before getting him. While I would benefit from max dupes, I also would prefer not needing them so I don't have to roll for 6 copies of Heinrich at launch for PvE. But for PvP I honestly don't feel it will make enough of a difference. Enable or disable it for RTA, either is fine with me. But I definitely think the issue is blown out of proportions here.

[finite fiber]

if you cant be assed to check it why the fuck should i do it for you?

[pliant mango]

lot of ppl had c5 srs build

[cedar meadow]

I agree

[steady creek]

Hienrich must of didnt really want to be pulled

[wise drift]

no I meant Chas, I didnt understand his message

[marsh tide]

and which of them did u see in ladder? the full speed eff acc marvels who dont build dmg or tank at all?

or the krakens who also do the same build

[winter kernel]

I agree it's probably blown out of proportion but people are upset by the fact that they feel misled rather than the objective power difference

[finite fiber]

the victors

[wary rune]

the issue is only an issue because of the miscommunication (Which does seem intentional when it was all sponsered creators)

[sharp dagger]

I think it's already reduced enough. It's still far away from dupes like in gfl 2, HSR, genshin etc,

[mortal knot]

This.

[marsh tide]

brother no one in the top 200 had a single showing of victor in rta

a couple had him built for tourney

[finite fiber]

lmao

yes they did

[marsh tide]

but he wasnt prevalent in the rta ladder

[wise drift]

u cant compare pve gachas to pvp

[cedar meadow]

thats just not true

[fringe mesa]

guys, there are a lot of deep pockets, and not everyone competed in the beta, you can't draw conclusions from this rta "season"

[steady creek]

You cant compare a pvp game dupes with pve tho

[cedar meadow]

that is just factually incorrect

[finite fiber]

bro i was top 30 in rta there was multiple people who had victor

[sharp dagger]

GFL 2 has pvp

[raven wraith]

I still like the idea of making the dupes have impact on AI fights, and perhaps make sure all PvP tiers have AI opponents in them.

[finite fiber]

please talk more shit

[marsh tide]

bro i was #1 rta whole beta i saw 0 🙂 we dont need proof though

[raven wraith]

As most of the lower ones already do.

[steady creek]

It does? Oh i never played that one before

[tawdry robin]

I think i saw your name somewhere, whats the name of your group?

[marsh tide]

go find it yourself im not google

[civic horizon]

everyone puts one unit on defense so people get their 1 free win a day lol

[pliant mango]

grays,marvels,sanias,krakens,vipers,obols you name it

[fringe mesa]

investigative journalists

[finite fiber]

nice strawman dipshit cause your wrong

[pearl ivy]

we could say the same thing to you with zero proof, where's your proof?

[pulsar flax]

derailing

[cedar meadow]

@marsh tide please remember to keep this thread on topic, you are becoming problematic.

[raven wraith]

You take point losses when you lose fights in arena in E:R

[cedar meadow]

This will be your final warning

[marsh tide]

okay arent you just being extremely biased

[cedar meadow]

Not at all

[tender fiber]

makes no sense to push this agenda for pvp

[pearl ivy]

not a biased man, it's a fact

[cedar meadow]

have any opinion you want

[raven wraith]

No agenda is being pushed.

[marsh tide]

you are a cc who spread the misinformation aswell ontop of being an official mod and then you keep downplaying how big of a deal it is

[cedar meadow]

Exactly

[pliant mango]

xD

[marsh tide]

isnt there a clear bias there?

[raven wraith]

Xyro is as entitled to their opinion as anyone else's.

[pliant mango]

now he is attacking glorp

[finite fiber]

if you want proof volkin was top 20 he used victor that already makes your point of no one used it completely wrong

[raven wraith]

You can disagree with people's personal opinions without attacking them for it.

[tawdry robin]

Exactly what im saying

[marsh tide]

where did i attack xyro

[cedar meadow]

Welp you were warned

[torn pagoda]

Here's your proof 👀

[steady creek]

@marsh tide didnt jack directly reply to you hes going to make an announcment 2 or 3 days later idk why your still arguing with people...

[pearl ivy]

there's ya proof jona, where's yours

[cedar meadow]

regardless keep the topxic on track

no need to call anyone out or witchhunt

I'm not downplaying this at all

That is why I made the thread in the first place 🙂

[raven wraith]

This is a discussion, folks. Not an announcement of incoming changes. There's no reason to overreact or to get anxious over it.

[zinc cloak]

@torn pagoda i fought you in rta.Taught me i needed to build victor.

[steady creek]

Cant wait for the drama over balance patch release before launch 👍

[woven jay]

Isn't the topic dupes working in RTA?

[raven wraith]

Victor takes his name literally. 😉

[worthy kiln]

WHO ATTACKING XYRO!? IM BACK. LEMME AT EM

[wary rune]

everyone should still say their opinion to show we care about it...

[raven wraith]

That will be wild 😄

[cedar meadow]

No one is going to attack anyone, though everyone must remain respectful

[tender fiber]

Some people spend a good amount of money for the rebate of course they are gonna overreact or get anxious. They should clarify this asap.

[raven wraith]

Certainly, this is here so that people can give their opinions.

[cedar meadow]

and make sure to keep the topic on track.

[worthy kiln]

Yeah i wouldve put that PACHOWWW on them

[steel osprey]

im pretty sure it run out of rail now

[slim spear]

top 200 def had viktors... 😂

[cedar meadow]

I just find it ironic you call someone out for spreading misinformation then say I'm trying to downplay the situation by giving my opinion

[raven wraith]

But there's nothing to clarify. There has been nothing said that would suggest that anything is happening that would upset anyone.

[slim spear]

i got to rank 2/1 and have fought viktors

[cedar meadow]

This is the feedbackthread lol

[slim spear]

and lost

[fringe mesa]

devs have the chance to turn things around, a big W would be disaling dupes in RTA, or I go, and my investment with me

🥸

[median hare]

I understand this is a gacha and devs need to keep the lights on but i'd like if they could decide between dupes being incentivized or spending 400 dollars a month on stamina just to keep up and not both that feels like my cancer got aids x_x

[cedar meadow]

I agree with this

[raven wraith]

God forbid the devs try to get the players' opinions on something. That is all that's happening here.

[tawdry robin]

I think you comepletely lost

[worthy kiln]

Yes your 3$ helped a lot ||im jk||

[mortal knot]

Real

[steady creek]

I agree but disagree with the threats 😭

[bright trench]

honestly i think they should enable dups in regular arena but not rta

[raven wraith]

i don't think there's anything to turn around when no direction has been changed.

[fringe mesa]

that was the sentiment that was spread all along, regular arena and guild wars have them enabled

[woven jay]

EVERY single game mode, leave rta out of it ( as advertised )

[steady creek]

What about fearless arena? I think dupes there is fine

[tender fiber]

exactly

[steady creek]

Its called fearless afterall

[bright trench]

yeah rta should be about skill and gear leave dups to everywhere else

[mortal knot]

Not spending money isnt a threat tbh.

[wise drift]

hmmm this is not true, a lot of people were hooked into the game by paid advertisements done by cc's that spread such misinformation

[woven jay]

Just call it whale weekend I am fine with it

[zinc cloak]

Disabling dupes in RTA seems like it would make most people happy.

[pearl ivy]

rta and fearless since they're both rt

[steady creek]

Its just the do this or else i quit feels so childish

[raven wraith]

What misinformation?

[worthy kiln]

Im reading back bc i missed everything but what was your name? Bc why you capping

[mortal knot]

Its not. It was widespread misinformation

[bright trench]

yeah

[raven wraith]

They don't work. They never have worked. There's no reason to expect they will work.

[wary rune]

many (all?) sponsered creators and discord mod said dupes dont work in RTA

[pulsar flax]

el mao

[steady creek]

Tru

[uncut bobcat]

seanb has said devs said they will work in rta

[gleaming hill]

They DO work Matt, that is the problem.

[raven wraith]

Dupes never worked in RTA.

[wary rune]

they do work in RTA

[raven wraith]

They did not during the beta.

They do not.

[gleaming hill]

We were literally told today they do

[pulsar flax]

bro

[wary rune]

they did work in the beta...

[fringe mesa]

Misinformation was rampant, maybe not by the devs themselves, but sponsored CC. It is the responsibility of the developers to step in, and clarify this, before the rebate period ends - this is just common sense. stop coping

[pulsar flax]

is there double missinformation now

[short herald]

They did. They were always on.

[pliant mango]

they did ppl just didnt notice

[raven wraith]

Where? Because all I see is a thread opened asking players if they want dupes to work.

[finite fiber]

@marsh tide why so quiet bro

[raven wraith]

Where is the confirmation that they worked?

[pulsar flax]

wtf is happening

[marsh tide]

xyro muted me

i just got unmuted

thx

[worthy kiln]

Bro really tried to claim # 1 tho lmao

[pliant mango]

from the devs?

[woven jay]

This whole sub discord is about dupes working in rta

[pseudo pawn]

You a CC or something?

[raven wraith]

Yes, where did any dev ever say that they worked?

[pulsar flax]

Jack said it

[wary rune]

they did work 100% for sure in the RTA

[pliant mango]

scroll up and you know

[tawdry robin]

Why did he mute you?

[cedar meadow]

Yep, please remember to keep it respectful. I saw no reason to keep you muted, just a quick chill out 🙂

[finite fiber]

he was just being sarcastic with that 99% sure

[worthy kiln]

Oh i was about to say😂

[pulsar flax]

Or sorry the correct wording is "Sean said Jack told him"

[woven jay]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Etheria_Restart/comments/1kqc0ld/dupes_work_in_pvp/ reddit post

[urban trench]

it kind of is, refunds are a massive pain to deal with, you end up losing money

[raven wraith]

There's no statement there saying that they were secretly working in beta.

[marsh tide]

yeah i was. sorry if the irony didnt carry 🙂

[raven wraith]

SeanB isn't a dev.

[fathom flume]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[pulsar flax]

Theoritically we know fck all because there's no official statement

[tawdry robin]

I hope they lose all their money and more if they dont change this

[compact ocean]

There is, sort by from “c” on discord

He specifically mentions it in general chat if u want to see that

[cedar meadow]

Everyones opinion in the matter, matters. So its best if everyone remains productive. We wouldn't all be here if we didn't care for the game 🙂

[pliant mango]

they were working like normal but ppl though they didnt work...

[raven wraith]

I'll have to look it up. I missed that if so. It was my understanding that people were just overreacting over CC statements which are not fact.

[steel osprey]

pretty sure some are here just to watch the drama unfold lol

[bright trench]

the devs obviously knew this missinfo is going around

[wary rune]

no, devs even acknowledged they did work, this is the feedback thread for that

[cedar meadow]

I'm sure some people feel very extreme about this, and definitly misinformed/lied to.

They have a right to feel that way, and thats why its the feedback forum.

Though ofc, we need to keep it respectful!

[fringe mesa]

Did you not read what everyone has been saying. If there is misinformation being spread about your brand, it is your responsibiliy to clear this up, before people are spending their money on these false premises. The misinformation was further echoed by SPONSORED CC.

[compact ocean]

I’ll send it in 1s

[tender fiber]

since u aswel spread the misinformation that apparently didnt exist

[pulsar flax]

lol

[compact ocean]

Many more messages talking about it but thats one confirmation

[gleaming hill]

This thread is so completely pointless I'm not going to lie. You are not going to get a reasonable, emotionally stable conversation in a thread like this with public facing access esp not in the gaming sphere where people will intentionally start shit flinging.

That goes doubly so especially not when there are people moderating the thread who were part of the apparent problem in the first place and should have recused themselves from the thread

This should have been a survey put out for people to fill out for the devs to look at statistical numbers of how many players think that the dupes should or should not be active, end of story.

[raven wraith]

If this is the case, though, and they aren't making much of a difference in RTA the stat gains are still being suppressed which is what I read in all the marketing for the game ahead of beta.

[wary rune]

i think this is a fine way to deal with it, i mean if the devs do a big change then it will be a win for them

[finite fiber]

ngl the talking earler was fine and multiple solutions were offered and people were not just flaming people

[pliant mango]

Agreed or make ppl to actually make live statement and not keyboard warrioring away behind pseudonyms

[raven wraith]

And ultimately there is still time for the situation to change.

[tawdry robin]

Yes, make the company that is interested in keeping the dupes do a poll. I'm 100% sure they will not alter the data in any way for their benefit

[wary rune]

the stat gains were NOT being supressed, hes saying the 10% dr and damage isnt that much

[gusty dragon]

Y’all are complaining over a 10% LMFAOAOAOAOA

[urban trench]

The real point of this thread is to provide a message of how strongly the community cares about this topic (3.5 times as strongly as the second most commented feedback thread), but past that we should be waiting for the dev response. I have high hopes they will find a solution that keeps most people happy.

[gusty dragon]

actually insane

[dusky garnet]

Honestly this should just be a poll and then let that be the end of it

[steady creek]

Would stop all the doom posters or people maliciously spreading conspiracy thoeries

[woven jay]

Each dupe tier gives you:

+5% stats (attack, defense, HP)
Crit Damage
Crit Rate
10% damage dealt increase and 10% damage taken reduction

While a maxed-out five-star with all dupes is powerful, the difference is about a 20–25% edge

[raven wraith]

Is he? Or is that what is being read into it? I don't know and I am not going to assume. I'd prefer to wait and see what we are told between now and release.

[finite fiber]

its not even a 25% edge

[compact ocean]

This threads been full circle for hours

[finite fiber]

25% in a 100% mirror match maby

[pliant mango]

youve been posting this last 3 hours every 10 min probs

[raven wraith]

We get far more stat boosts from skill increases.

[gleaming hill]

This should have always been a poll

[pulsar flax]

so when are the devs making a Statement

[steady creek]

Thays what happens when new people come in after it was settled

[woven jay]

Ilike the game man, I want it to succeed

[slender musk]

I think we can all agree that the dupes are well handled in terms of strenght gain. But lets not go overboard we dont wanna be tribe nine where they had no reason to spent money and EOS.

[wary rune]

lots of ppl were testing the dupes on the last day of beta, they worked 100% normally

[steady creek]

This thread should have stopped at jacks statment😭

[wise drift]

bro uve been agreeing with the wrong team this whole time?

[gleaming hill]

Your ptsd from hoyo games is showing go touch grass

[pliant mango]

how it helps keep posting same message all the time

please expalin

[dusky garnet]

@cedar meadow could we just make this a poll instead of a forum? I feel like people are spiralling and the "conversation" is degrading, you wont get any statistically important info from a bunch of messages going round and round in circles

[woven jay]

Clarifying for people saying its 5%

[warm yew]

Why would they change something they intended from the start

[pliant mango]

no one has said 5%

no one 😄

[raven wraith]

No? I'm just saying beta is beta and should never be taken as a final product. Let's see what changes between now and launch. We can expect some character balancing between now and then, too!

[pliant mango]

ive seeen 672% tho

[worthy kiln]

We tryna hit 5k messages first

[steady creek]

I agree, now theres 3.4k messages for devs to read when it was orignally 1.6k

[fathom flume]

They ain’t reading this bro that’s the mods job to give them the spark notes

[steady creek]

Jack reads this O.o

[old mist]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sunset-javgag-gif-6354990519690233079

[gleaming hill]

Listen bro I know you have issues with math since 0 people in top ten doesnt actually mean 4 people in top 10

But 10% is significant for the rest of the community

[fathom flume]

And his job is to compile everything and send it to the actual devs, no actual dev is here

[steady creek]

Hes the game director...

[fathom flume]

But he probably stopped reading this thread after his message anyway

[viscid remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/live/m1N0N3IhBL8?si=9f2433rRfqsOFJAB&t=4165
everyone just invented some head cannon about what he said here. he was actually really clear about how you unlock all of the characters mechanics without needing dupes, he never said the stat bonuses don't apply anywhere.

[wary rune]

is way more than 10% (10% dmg, 10%dr, a bunch of stats) and its more out the misinformation than the stats anyways

[tawdry robin]

I ran outside to quickly touch it

[wise drift]

at this point we need to reach 4k and surpass #1365679476385513554

[gleaming hill]

Good boy

[dusky garnet]

Yeah but the question is just yes/no how does someones opinion change that fact? either you enable or disable them, no-one cares about the feel

[umbral compass]

male:female ran so this thread could sprint

[gleaming hill]

The rest of that shit means 0, the final node is the ONLY problem.

[drowsy oyster]

No offense but what is a poll going to tell you? The majority don't want dupes to be active in PvP. That's in any gacha. The only people that do are extreme whales.

The point of the thread is to see peoples reaction so they can gauge a response.

[wary rune]

the general community opinion could definately change the dev's minds

[tawdry robin]

exactly, if dupes work im out, if not im in, no hard feelings. Just want to refund in time

[jade sinew]

tldr poors want equality, whales dont

[dusky garnet]

It will literally tell you, out of the majority of "active voices" in the discord how much of the community either wants dupes enabled or disabled for RTA

[finite fiber]

maby im just being a asshole but if you were not top 100 and was not fighting vs the big spenders on beta i dont see how you can even comment the dupes really was not that noticeable. not once did i sit there after a match and was like dam that guys dupes fucked me, it was always decided on team comp or gear selection ALWAYS

[pulsar flax]

Weither or not it was said doesn't matter the issue is the missinfo spread by official CC's, weither intentionally or unintentionally was never corrected despite Jack being there multiple times.
No official source ever corrected it during the entire pre and now post beta timespan.
That's what upset people.

[umbral compass]

also people's opinions are gonna be more nuanced (well maybe half of them at least), it cant really be quantified by like 3-4 options in a poll imo

[gleaming hill]

It's not worth it Monarch these people do not see reason, they only see anger

[steady creek]

I dont think you can evem see if they had dupes

[jade sinew]

brother this is social media, self reflecting on mistakes is not ok...seek therapy

[urban trench]

did you not ever have a unit survive below 10% hp?

[plush night]

I BELIEVE IN THE GAME DIRECTOR HE WILL SURELY CHANGE IT RIGHT?

[pulsar flax]

mebi

[dusky garnet]

Nuance doesnt matter in this scenario its BINARY either enable or disable, the argument is somewhat irrelevant as to the feel/opinion

[plush night]

[finite fiber]

10% dmg reduc does not = 10% of your units hp

[pliant mango]

not like we polling whose president

[urban trench]

depends if they have damage reduc on shells, yeah

[jade sinew]

oh yay, we're back to the 10% = 35% = 65% conversation from this morning

[viscid remnant]

he made an official statement in the launch announcement, you expect him to correct every piece of minsinfo on the internet when the platforms have been having a shitstorm trying to do that on themselves on the platforms they literally own?

[thorny rain]

10% isn’t 10%, that’s basic math

[gleaming hill]

Gacha players doing math

What a shame

[woven jay]

So everyone in this thread got the wrong idea?

[pulsar flax]

If it comes from sponsored creators? Yes

[fringe mesa]

I'm willing to bet, that the f2p/low spender friendliness of this game was a huge draw for a lot of people.. this is unfortunate information, and needs to be cleared up ASAP

[plush night]

10% damage reduction = immune to damage everybody knows that

[finite fiber]

i can only go from my person feeling as you cant see logs in game and that was i didnt think dupes made a massive difference IN MY OPINION, so i think doomposting is a bit over the top. this is from someone who would actually like them to disable the dupes

[viscid remnant]

that if is doing a lot heavy lifting

[jade sinew]

last node gives me a reverse mirror force card and i can repick my unit on last turn in rta

[tawdry robin]

nice, you dont see if enemies have dupes or not. Nice feeling bro

[pulsar flax]

That was literally the entire Marketing campaign with phrases such as "Careful Balancing", "Dupes don't work in RTA", "We don't want to be expensive like other gacha" etc etc

[pliant mango]

Agreed as a player who was in top 10 rta I also felt dupes werent big deal

[jade sinew]

do you also complain when your neighbors house is bigger?

[gleaming hill]

Just give up bro, you are never going to change the minds of people who are entirely convinced they CANNOT be wrong in any way

[sweet reef]

we still cant be fully sure how this is going to effect the game as not everyone whaled on this game yet

[finite fiber]

yes yuor right no one had a single s5 unit on the beta in the top 50 no one at all

[steady creek]

Guyz if you like the game why you doom posting 😭

[grim jetty]

Its not about dupes power ? Its about mis information like I said before people were drown because of this aspect of the game so its lame

[viscid remnant]

don't get me wrong, I think the game needs a devilmon system to lower the pressure on dupes, but this is a lack of due diligence on the community's part and if we pile on and burn the game on the launch pad for this we don't get this game and noone in the market will ever want to touch the prosepect of making games friendly to the desires of this community out of fear the same would happen to them.

[jade sinew]

i said it earlier...its about winning. If last dupe was 25% dmg reduction and it got nerfed to 10% this chat would be like HOLY FUCK THE DEVS ARE SO GOOD

[wary rune]

there was multiple sponsered CC's saying the same thing, im am sure they watch the sponsered videos...

[finite fiber]

yes and i agree they should 100% eat the L and remove the dupes because they did allow the CC to spread miss info on paid content

[fringe mesa]

who knows, it might be impactful, it might not be, but think about how many whales did not actually compete in the beta RTA "season"

[pulsar flax]

if you don't like the game you don't doompost it's kinda required to like the game to be concerned lol

[tawdry robin]

nice strawman

[pliant mango]

doomposting and criticism are 2 different things

[steady creek]

Contstructive feedback is but doom posting not really

[woven jay]

I am here cause I like the game, I want the advertised game

[pulsar flax]

would be an insane boost in good will and ensure a successful launch

[finite fiber]

for sure

[jade sinew]

still crying over dupes?

[old mist]

keep it up guys we're about to surpass Male:female ratio thread

[finite fiber]

if they dont eat the L they are genuinely stupid imo

[near flame]

And did all whales had their ssr 5 duped? I would imagine not

[warm nova]

#announcement

#announcement

#announcement

[tender fiber]

dont start with the "house" comparing in gacha PVP. If its like that more $ equal win ? Dupes are way too impactful.

[warm nova]

#announcement

[unborn cosmos]

guys who cares about all of this really it's a gatcha game

[warm nova]

#announcement

#announcement

[grim jetty]

You guys need to differentiate doom posting and giving opinion

[urban trench]

Dupe:Gender ratio is close to 1:1

[rose lava]

mmm but the same people who is washing their hands like Pontius Pilate , are the exact same people who claim for every single channel ''dupes doesnt count'' for 8 months ago 8 MONTHS AGO, like idk a guy named glorp :3 , literally all CC some devs .... and 0 talk until now.... after milk on beta what a surprise.

[warm nova]

#announcement

[cedar meadow]

erm guys

is there an #announcement

[jade sinew]

that says a whole lot of nothing

an essay for "we are looking and make announcement soon"

[fathom flume]

My favorite an announcement of an announcement!

[thorny rain]

Nothing of worth was said in that announcement

[steady creek]

They busy arguing

[raven wraith]

That announcement means a lot.

[gleaming hill]

Nothing of worth has been said in this thread either

[raven wraith]

It's the promise of clarification in the next few days.

[finite fiber]

there was bunch of good soloutions posted this afternoon actually

[past drift]

trust is destroyd about this devs they had very long time to announce that and do it now after the PAID beta sus very sus

[pliant mango]

How do you expect to give concrete data right this moment when half the china is asleep

holy crappers

[jade sinew]

they gotta spend the next few days seeing if dupes work 🤣

[thorny rain]

Fair enough though, give them a few days to decide

[gleaming hill]

I will put money on it every one of them could've been choices in a poll without ever having to touch a thread

[dusky garnet]

@warm nova can this be a poll with 4 options

Enable dupes for RTA
Disable dupes for RTA
Enable all dupes except the last one for RTA
Dupes values are halved for RTA

[steady creek]

They expect devs to do all nighters 24/7

[finite fiber]

how would they know what choices to add to the poll before they were suggested

[pliant mango]

fr

[gleaming hill]

Because it's common sense? Holy fuck this is not hard.

On
Off

??????

[pliant mango]

soon devs arent human they are just ai they dont need stuff

[warm nova]

^

[dusky garnet]

Name something else besides what i posted, give actual constructive feedback or dont say anything at all

[worthy kiln]

Damn bro cant even make an announcement without some hate😂you guys just need to git fucking good and touch fucking GRASS

[past drift]

just eos and send money back to the ppl simple

[warm nova]

Thank you for understanding Matt

[pliant mango]

we understand

dont worry

[raven wraith]

I think most of the community understands and is patient!

[warm nova]

None of this was intended or malicious, seriously

[steady creek]

Keep up the good work btw 👍

[pliant mango]

and we cheering you guys

[gleaming hill]

You dont understand Install all these people were top ten and definitely know what it's like

[urban trench]

this game doesn't have grass, the green element is called odd, how do you touch it?

[civic horizon]

It's more that they have to get the accountants to calculate whether losing some global players outweighs the money they'd make by selling dupes in regions that prefer those playstyles.

[finite fiber]

dude i said my feedback earlier, my suggestion is they change the current s5 to not give 10% but to give a cosmetic reward be it a skin or title that people can flex

[short herald]

Weirdly

[pliant mango]

its hollow btw

[past drift]

its jsut a bit sus after paid beta

[jade sinew]

never will say that in my life...green or grass

[fossil wraith]

Dupes don't matter unless you're bad so just get better.

[urban trench]

exposed, odd is blue 😄

[worthy kiln]

[cedar meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-neco-neco-arc-devil-gif-4606139268538612190

[gleaming hill]

Just win

[worthy kiln]

New response

[steady creek]

Stop conspiracy thoery crafting 😭

[grim jetty]

Is that wrong to feel wronged ?

[past drift]

it isnt?

[worthy kiln]

I think you get it in mail not sure

[pliant mango]

xDDDDDDDDDD

[warm nova]

I get it, but I promise you it wasn't intentional 😞

[gleaming hill]

Redeem code

[warm nova]

if it was intentional we wouldn't have talked about it in our direct

[past drift]

they had long time to say this everyone said it and devs take a cup of tea and wait after beta oh we forogt to say dupes matter

[gleaming hill]

You should pin the link to the announcement here

[past drift]

[urban trench]

redeem the code GRASSTOUCHPLS for 10 summons

[grim jetty]

Yes this

[warm nova]

we did say it in our direct though

[finite fiber]

them changing the s5 node to a title with a number attached based on the order you got the s5 in game would give whales something to flex with and give 0 power

[cedar meadow]

Perhaps the annoucement should have started with

"We understand that many of you may be feeling... Duped...."

||I'm just joking lol||

[warm nova]

lol

[steel osprey]

but people misunderstood what it say so err yeah

[dusky garnet]

If anyone thinks its malicious they need to stop, its clearly a miscommunication they happen all the time, all that matters is the team is aware and are communicating on a direction, these decisions dont happen immediately, it takes a day or 2

[jade sinew]

they get the benefit of doubt from me unless it happens again...first time with no communication, pass...second time shame on me

[thorny rain]

Too many take CC’s words as gospel

[warm nova]

#announcement for temporary clarification. Thank you guys 🙏

[still orbit]

Mathematically correct, but what the guy means is that that difference will make the difference in some cases.

[short herald]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-this-man-mad-angry-gif-16849857

[near flame]

I believe it tbh, I can see how it happened. I'll be waiting for the next announcement

[cedar meadow]

lmfaooo

[wary rune]

im not saying it was intentional... BUT did come in this discord after the direct and was told by a mod that dupes had no stat benefit in RTA

[past drift]

would i can send a refund i would do it

[gleaming hill]

https://tenor.com/view/throwing-tomatoes-spongebob-meme-gif-16484771711608947508

[steel osprey]

also it 5:21am early morning in china

[cedar meadow]

😭

[jade sinew]

can always chargeback if it bothers you that much

[fossil wraith]

This is dumb.

Like no cap, you think if they were intentionally trying to take advantage of the confusion wouldn't they have just NOT commented on peoples incorrect information they took. There was 0 false advertisement so easily could've kept this down low until post-launch which would have a much bigger incentive for them.

The fact they did address and clarify it proves the opposite of their intent to mislead.

[pulsar flax]

Are you a direct representative of the company?

[cedar meadow]

I'm sorry if I was the mod that told you this, I honestly had no idea along with the rest of everyone.
I take full responsability regardless, obviously I don't think anyone thinks I was trying to lie on purpose, simply misinformed. but still my apologies.

[raven wraith]

We don't get statements like this or an active discussion with the community about concerns they may have on other gachas. A developer willing to listen to the community and change is very rare and if it continues it validates the trust we have had in E:R.

[fringe mesa]

@warm nova there will be plenty of places to use your dupes in this game, just disable them in RTA, if you go forward with this change, this will be a huge win for the game, and its publicity!

[cedar meadow]

Yes he is the community manager

[worthy kiln]

@warm nova did you see the new Tshirts? They on sale

[dusky garnet]

Literally is the community manager my guy

[wary rune]

i just dont want it to be downplayed

[steel osprey]

most of time would be just ignoring lol

[civic horizon]

Devs are honestly lucky about that reddit post yesterday (or whatever brought light to this). Imagine if noone noticed until RTA launched during the live game?

[raven wraith]

Nearly all do!

[past drift]

maybe but the timing bro thats sus af they had like 6 months ?

[steady creek]

Im suprised by the 2 day period for an announcment. Most games would need to wait a week...

[worthy kiln]

20$ ON SALE NOW❗️❗️❗️

[finite fiber]

i know, my point is tho some of the people crying in this thread have no reference of even playing vs people with high dupes and 2 if they got 6 masa from the first 10 pull they do they would be the first people to come here and make a post saying "why do my dupes not work in rta !!!!!"

[tawdry robin]

I will buy the left one

[jade sinew]

To be fair, it did take a week. This was a heavily brewing conversation over a week ago.

[cedar meadow]

LOL

[tender fiber]

will buy with 200% rebate

[cedar meadow]

nah install

you doing too much rn 🤣

[wary rune]

i mean ppl will still pull for dupes for guild wars/fearless/etherena/pve, i dont think we NEED them in RTA...

[worthy kiln]

All loveee brudddaaaa

[pulsar flax]

I gotta ask I know it's probably hard to keep track of it...but how did it go unnoticed that multiple sponsored CC's that were in several livestreams together with Jack, said the phrase "Dupes are disabled in RTA" and nobody noticed? How did this happen?

[worthy kiln]

Gotta make money for etheria

[warm nova]

it was announced in our official direct. All of this snowballed within the past week

[cedar meadow]

ofc lol

[dusky garnet]

Can the shirt be double sided?

[plush night]

let me buy it

[fathom flume]

I know this isn’t the thread for this but I don’t wanna make my own but maybe official staff and mods should have different color roles

[tender fiber]

^

[pulsar flax]

Volkin himself was here and seemed confused how was he not corrected?

[warm nova]

LOL

[steady creek]

Offical merch? O.o

[cedar meadow]

they will

[jade sinew]

I like the game so I'm not refunding, but would you offer refunds to those that feel like they were lied to?

[gleaming hill]

Respect for saying this

[worthy kiln]

Yessirrrr

[worthy kiln]

We got plenty

[cedar meadow]

Victor

[short herald]

you need to buy 5 more copies though to access the +10% shirt size and wear and tear reduction of 10%

[gleaming hill]

Can I get Xyro's logo on the sleeve

[pliant mango]

what shirts

[worthy kiln]

The one and only

[warm nova]

volkin originally had stated and was a part of the conversation about dupes having small stat increases but nothing major that prevents f2ps from competing, but I can see how so many people claiming dupes had no effect in rta confused him

this all happened really fast

within a single week

[worthy kiln]

Thats a lil extra but for you ill take 10$ off if you buy now

[gleaming hill]

Im in 🤝

[cedar meadow]

Can I get Victor PNG on it

[worthy kiln]

Scroll a lil bit down

[worthy kiln]

🤝

[viscid remnant]

this is just a case study in how misinfo spreads online and how important it is to actually check sources instead of believing hearsay, esp if you plan on making large financial decisions based on that information.

[steady creek]

That would kill a game if they already invested those funds on advertisements

[pliant mango]

aah can you make one with the chris mug and put there we come in peace

[plush night]

i will have to think about this investment then.

[jade sinew]

They could already just chargeback.

[cedar meadow]

Also thank you for everyone giving feedback and staying respectful.

I know this definitely can be upsetting to some so your feedback is very important, I know they will read all the feedback here and come up with a good solution.

[wary rune]

i checked multiple sponsered creators, i checked the official discord, all gave the same info, what else were we suppoed to do?

[past drift]

anyways sad to have now trust issues

[steady creek]

Yea but chargeback qould be not all the spenders

[finite fiber]

the mis info has been going around for at least 3 weeks cause i saw it when i first herd about the game so 1 week is kinda false

[raven wraith]

It illustrates how important clarification and response is. Communities are often left to come to their own conclusions and, well, we can see here how that usually goes!

[pulsar flax]

Thank you for the reaponse but I have to say I'm still a bit confused how nobody noticed this (I'm not implying any malice here)

[steel osprey]

jack be like eh im supposed to read 1.6K message why suddenly it turn 3.7K.

[jade sinew]

Not all spenders would be refunding? Like I spent a health amount and I'll happily play regardless

[short herald]

Just get info from the Direct videos and nothing second/third hand and no trust issues will arise

[granite monolith]

good post, ill wait for the devs response. Sry for starting this wildfire btw.

[steady creek]

Maybe should clean it up a bit before hand 😂

[pseudo pawn]

Sharing my experience: before this issue was even brought up, I didn't even know there was misinformation about dupes not working in RTA since I don't follow any CC that closely and only pay attention to what's in game. Nowhere in the game did the system say that dupes were disabled and I saw they worked in RTA in my personal gameplay which is why I pulled excessively for dupes. Now to say that dupes don't work in RTA after I spent in beta is kinda a bait. I'm sure there are others in my position. I think I'm gonna need 2 SSR selectors as compensation to recover.

[umbral cloud]

saame

[past drift]

3 weeks? like 2 months for me

[warm nova]

it seems like it started a day or two before beta as we had a big influx of creator videos and people talking about the beta right before it started

[steady creek]

Its different if a company offers refunds compared to a consumer chargebacking

[viscid remnant]

go to the actual things being said by the developer on his live stream. he was not ambigious about how dupes worked on the launch announcment.

[drowsy oyster]

Yeah this wasn't just one creator it was almost every one. The only place I couldn't find it was directly in game in the PvP rules, which I left as a comment in my personal feedback thread 🤣

[worthy kiln]

I gotchu🤝

[cedar meadow]

I agree perhaps 2 SSR selectors as comp are required

[gleaming hill]

Reason number 2938382827 to not take what content creators say at face value and ALWAYS double check

[jade sinew]

I'm not saying it isn't but I am saying your reputation has a value.

[cedar meadow]

THE_ROCK_SUSSY

[raven wraith]

How about 2 perfect lattices instead? 😛

[steady creek]

Thats true

[warm nova]

LOL

[pseudo pawn]

I'll take 3 for the betrayal of trust TBH

[terse meteor]

still weird none of you reacted

[sacred canyon]

They wont have a fun morning with a billion messages to read 🤣

[near flame]

I do remember watching Volkin and the info being kinda confusing at first, cause it was said multiple times the dupes where just little bumps in stats but not game changing like in other games but then it swifted to no dupes at all

[warm nova]

Please refer to my statement in #announcement

[cedar meadow]

Free victor selector and bikini skin at launch, and all is forgiven...

[steel osprey]

2 perfect lattice shard 😛

[short herald]

I'll take 500 stamina pots instead pls

[warm nova]

None of this was malicious or intended

[sacred canyon]

It would actually be fun to have him with a bikini skin

[finite fiber]

i think it was during the direct you guys did before the beta, i watched a youtube breakdown and they defo said no dupes in pvp. no hate btw im just letting you know what i saw at the time i know your job is impossible in this situation

[near flame]

bikini victor would be peak ngl

[steady creek]

Free victor selector? You can select different victors? 😂

[raven wraith]

If it had been you would have stayed silent about it like 99.9% of other gacha companies.

[fossil wraith]

I'll say what the CM can't. If you think this was intended misleading, you're a sheep and should get smashed in RTA anyway 💀

[jade sinew]

They're already pretty generous with rewards so if people feel slighted by spending on what they would perceive as deceit then I imagine they'll find a way to right this wrong.

[true wagon]

Give us a lily and tiamat bikini skins and we gucci

[dusky garnet]

Total message

Miscommunication about dupes in RTA, dupes work in RTA,
Should dupes be enabled? y/n/other solution

Etheria: Restart team is aware of the issue and working on an official communication/direction.

End of story no more need to comment or just make this a poll

[warm nova]

I would never say this 🤣

[viscid remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/live/m1N0N3IhBL8?si=84G2xQ7xJ9IuefOr&t=4165
that is just not true

[pulsar flax]

@warm nova let the devs know it's all good if we get a oiled up DokiDoki skin 🙂👍

[worthy kiln]

You didnt know about SSR Victors for each faction?

[fossil wraith]

exactly thats why I said it

[warm nova]

considering locking the thread

[wary rune]

he mentioned dupes would have little effect on PVP, he did not say which modes etc. I came to discord to clarify and a staff member gave me info which echoed at least 5 sponsered creators... this was a mistake by the company... saying it was OUR fault for this information being given to us is not fair

[steel osprey]

lock it

[steady creek]

Ooooo theres multiple victors!

[fossil wraith]

no joking aside here, you should.

[worthy kiln]

Wait until 5k messages. Almost there

[gleaming hill]

Most of the people in this thread are getting filtered in silver anyway

[warm nova]

DONT SPEAK FOR ME!!!

[worthy kiln]

[fossil wraith]

Just for clarity I was joking guys

[warm nova]

gonna lock the thread for now so our team can analyze it

[cedar meadow]

LOL

[umbral compass]

lock the thread so it doesnt surpass male:female ratio

[old mist]

lock it after we beat the other thread

[umbral compass]

at 4180 messages

[warm nova]

thanks for understanding and refer to #announcement until we get back on this

[old mist]

we are almost there

[worthy kiln]

Everyone spam first before he locks

[warm nova]

Just so people can refer to the direct