Dupes working in RTA clarification megathread.

[rigid vector]

ok but whatever at the end of the day what we can all agree on is that they should make it so you can get more dupes than 5, like 1 awakening after each 5 dupes or something

[pliant mango]

They dont but ok

[wise drift]

its just totally unrelated to the topic, we aint here to see if a rank in epic seven is good enough or not to have an opinion over dupes mattering in ETHERIA RESTART

[warm lynx]

Does that mean a max duped Victor is gonna have a really big and thick ||shovel||?

[hollow fern]

💔

[heavy ridge]

He transforms into RoboCock with 5 Dupes

[compact ocean]

I just dont see the issue with dupes 1-4, I think ppl are expecting way 2 much lenience. 5 gotta go

[urban trench]

I especially don't care when this other game is some 2003 hentai gacha with 29 players

[harsh zinc]

[granite monolith]

Then you are a) trolling b) you dont care c) you dont know math

[pliant mango]

Ppl are overestimating nr 5

[urban stirrup]

If you get 5 dupes you can strip naked your characters, problem solved

[hollow fern]

he boutta sexually assault anyone with his shovel💔

[compact ocean]

10% free mit isnt an overestimation

You claim to play e7 a lot, you know how mit is

you dont go around giving 10% (10% dmg is w/e but still a lot) like that

[worthy kiln]

But its good people have a nice experience in other games with some knowledge. Now take what you learn and apply it here. Thats all. No need to flex any ranks here from your past 5+ years ago. Brand new game. Lets enjoy and compete together positively

[urban stirrup]

The last node is actually pretty impactful

[granite monolith]

He is obviously trolling

[urban stirrup]

I vote you for president

[urban trench]

best mit in this game is tiamat, second best mit is prowess 5

[harsh zinc]

Is too much

[short herald]

the % damage at least should be additive with other sources in the game such as passives/shells and certain debuffs which while absolute value will remain at +10% of base the relative value will be diltued. % reduction is gonna be multiplicative for the same reason lowering it's value overall and the times when it actually matters are gonna be few and far between with the gear sets available

[harsh zinc]

For me They must remove imprints from rta

[rigid vector]

yeah lets all have fun stomping on poors, i mean our fellow "competitors"

[harsh zinc]

Dosent care the other things

[heavy ridge]

Just whale to c5 bro

Problem solved

[harsh zinc]

Right

[granite monolith]

Atleast somebody understands it

[harsh zinc]

Every unit c5

And we fly? Nice p2w game

[heavy ridge]

All unit c5 with epic gear and you win

[gentle swift]

should be called A5... since we get Anima prints... constellation 5 just sounds wrong

[heavy ridge]

Op Dupes

[hollow fern]

eos soon dw

[urban stirrup]

I don't expect or demand to remove the stats but i think the dmg increase and mit is actually fair

[urban stirrup]

To remove

[grim jetty]

You guys forgot about res effect crit critd

Atk hp

[worthy kiln]

All imma say is i notice the people that take games wayy to serious are the ones that are single asf with nothing else to do while the ones that enjoy games are enjoying life

[harsh zinc]

The last imprints of all the units arent okay i agree

Kinda p2w things

[urban stirrup]

W opinion

[keen vale]

yep, or at least change it

[heavy ridge]

This game won’t have whales anyways so we won’t have to face c5 units

[pliant mango]

If you saw the difference on screen its not that big

[hollow fern]

so dupes are okay, just make c5 weaker?

[wise drift]

bro im at work rn, if I got free time with the game gone, ranting in this post makes time go faster

[rigid vector]

if youre not planning to 5dupe every character, then why are you here talking anyway, youre a casual that doesnt matter for high end anyway

[urban stirrup]

For me yes

[harsh zinc]

Dupes are okay if they rework

[heavy ridge]

Just turn dupes into 1 summon ticket so we can gamble again

[worthy kiln]

I notice with some CCs and irl peeps i know

[harsh zinc]

Like this arent okay at all

[worthy kiln]

[granite monolith]

How about just deactivate dupes in rta how it actually should be

[urban stirrup]

True guys, this summer when my part time job starts make it entertaining

[gentle swift]

true, lets just remove the money making feature so game makes less money and last longer

[heavy ridge]

I don’t take the game serious and im still alone

[viscid remnant]

I personally feel that for AI it should be disabled but it should be enabled for RTA

[urban stirrup]

Especially @heavy ridge , i expect great things from him

[hollow fern]

i think its about balance.

[harsh zinc]

For me is the best choice no dupes in rta and gw if they add it

[wise drift]

aw fuck now I gotta work at work, guys pause it for a sec til im back brb

[worthy kiln]

But do you enjoy life?

[rigid vector]

yeah lets just remove everything that makes them money while were at it, man those poors are getting more and more daring each day i swear

[harsh zinc]

If they rework the imprints they can keep like that

[heavy ridge]

No im just here to breath someone elses air

[harsh zinc]

But the last imprints right now is too impactful

[urban stirrup]

Bro you look like a multi billion company feet licker

[hollow fern]

its always the the extremist going against the extremist

cant yall see the gray area

[urban stirrup]

True

[hollow fern]

💔

[granite monolith]

Exactly. I dont give a damn about fighting an AI with dupes, but the moment i am in rta i want it to be as fair as possible

[heavy ridge]

Have you tested the difference in action and not on paper yet 🤔🤔

[harsh zinc]

They also can keep the dupe but they must rework that shit

[rigid vector]

its not its way too weak, 10% is a joke for having 5 dupes, it should be at least 25% or more, theyre already so scared to give too much power for spenders

[heavy ridge]

After I got c5 my unit did less damage

[urban stirrup]

Let's test it now.....oh wait

[frozen talon]

its kinda funny how the ppl kept saying dupes dont work in rta but the whole time it was working LOL

[hollow fern]

been taking W's lately arent i?

[worthy kiln]

Ok come here. Hug from Makoto

[harsh zinc]

Only in paper but the number don’t lie ngl

[short herald]

we quite literally just have tested it all

[urban stirrup]

You have man

[granite monolith]

Thats to much work 2 weeks before release

[hollow fern]

fuck my keyboard tho

[harsh zinc]

I havent enough money for c5 so i cant test @heavy ridge

[gentle swift]

gear gap will be WAY more impactful... f2p's not max refreshing will be a MUCH bigger gap than any dupe

[harsh zinc]

[urban stirrup]

I appreciate your presence

[slate vigil]

just my 2 cents as feedback

i am a spender, i don't think any of the units i used in RTA had more than 2 dupes (SSR's had 0) and i really couldn't tell you if i won/lost matches on that basis. the 'bounus' from dupes if they were active i couldn't tell the difference, my losses were skill diff on the opponent or i played myself

i'm personally more concerned by how bad it feels pulling a dupe over a new unit given what the bounuses are.

[pliant mango]

10.8% hp to 4 units in a team is way more impactful that 15% to base stats

[steady creek]

They are talking about the 5th dupe giving 10% dmg increase and 10% dmg reduction

[harsh citrus]

honestly the more I think about this, the more I agree. I get that dupes should be a thing for whales to pay for, but in RTA (and only RTA) an environment which sole purpose is to compete through strategy and drafting, dupes don't make sense. It should be as fair and as evenly matched as possible imo. Specially since tournaments are based on highest placements, right?
Everywhere else it's fine to have dupes obviously

[urban stirrup]

It usually comes down to that but on paper it's still impactful (the last node)

[heavy ridge]

You forget the 10% damage increase which equals 672% ATK stat

[viscid remnant]

672% atk stat = 10% dmg? ok

[rigid vector]

@harsh citrus then why not disable everything to begin with and make it normalized, non sense argument

[urban stirrup]

Wasn't it 700%?

[granite monolith]

I dont care about the disadvantages i have in the first weeks. Its already a disadvantage having less units in pvp. I am thinking long term, and long term speaking dupes shouldnt be a thing in rta.

[harsh zinc]

[heavy ridge]

Learn to math lil boy

[urban trench]

it's 32, but since shido is incapable of doing division he doesn't believe it and makes jokes about it

[harsh citrus]

well, because the game still needs to make money, that's why xD

[pliant mango]

But you can farm them anyways

[gentle swift]

long term you can farm dupes as f2p

[pliant mango]

End end game

[finite fiber]

ye just make rta have no gear or dupes more fair that way :S

[urban stirrup]

Nah he chilling and fking around, let him

[jade sinew]

it was 35% 50 minutes ago, is it now 32%?

[pliant mango]

I though it was 42%?

[urban trench]

it was 35 from top of my head and 32 using values of the victor I had a screenshot of

[hollow fern]

some guy literally said 625%

[jade sinew]

in 1 hour the number has changed 7 times

[rigid vector]

yeah just enable all characters in rta, with normalized templates, all prowess, dupes etc. active for everyone, that will work for sure guys

[heavy ridge]

Stop being a paper warrior tho only because you know how to knockout a person, will you then knockout Mike Tyson

[viscid remnant]

Honestly, as long as dupes dont buff speed I legit dont care about them

[urban trench]

here, if you are able to divide and add you can calculate for yourself (doubt)

[rigid vector]

its 420% its confirmed by my cousins uncles daughters son that works at microsoft

[jade sinew]

why this dumpy ass victor keep getting posted

[hollow fern]

whats the full context

[proven jolt]

lf people who get max dupes on all characters for maximum rta advantage. You seem good at the game

[finite fiber]

but what about you uncle at nintendo what does he say

[urban stirrup]

Why are you so extremist about the argument?

That is a fallacy on your part

[rigid vector]

pls stop posting this poorpor victor its cringe

[granite monolith]

Exactly thats what i am saying.

[slate vigil]

my RTA matches was in around top 20-150, idk how many of them would have had that many dupes would play a factor, but 10% dmg/reduction, dunno if i would care

[jade sinew]

can you really not spot completely obvious trolling?

[urban trench]

10 damage increase on that particular victor (I don't have any other character with stats to look at) gives him as much damage as extra 32% atk in substats would

[rigid vector]

not at all, its just that your argument hinges on the fact that its "too much" and who says so?

[urban stirrup]

Im not sure, I thought it was but now i am not

[harsh zinc]

Cag are u the bcm guy?

[urban stirrup]

Actual math and numbers

[steady creek]

Guys keep it civil

[slate vigil]

but like i said that's my feedback on the matter, can understand f2p's feeling different or anyone not playing alot of rta in beta

[jade sinew]

i mean theres an element of his underlying premise being that its fine, but hes trolling in the way he says it

[hollow fern]

is it crazy?.. ,feels like it

[rigid vector]

like what math and numbers, youre just saying that those numbers are too high thats all thats not math and numbers

[urban stirrup]

I also think so but you never know

[proven jolt]

Yeah, unfortunately

[granite monolith]

What are you on about. Its not possible if they release more charakters dafuq.

[urban trench]

and 32% atk is 13 substat rolls, so it's really really hard to farm enough modules to cover it (willl essentially be impossible)

[urban stirrup]

It's a 10% dmg increases, do we really need to do math for you to understand that's not a small increase???

[harsh zinc]

U remember me? U were in my guild before I quit the game cause too p2w

[pliant mango]

Wdym not possible?

[finite fiber]

you got to factor in how it does the 10% tho is it 10% of the final number after all the mitigation or before etc etc

[heavy ridge]

Bcm or Etheria more p2w ?

[rigid vector]

yes and as i said your argument just hinges on the fact its "not small" thats not a fact thats your opinion

[urban stirrup]

I don't care like i said but saying the last node is "just" a 10% dmg increase_mitigation is disingenuous or ignorant

[harsh zinc]

Bcm

[proven jolt]

Which guild was it?

[near flame]

I think this guy is just rage baiting

[rigid vector]

probably yeah, a lot of trolls here i guess

[harsh zinc]

Didnt remember the guild name but. The first 3 months of the game

[proven jolt]

Was it Swallowtail?

[urban stirrup]

It's literally math, one guy before took viktor as an example and did the math around his stats

[harsh zinc]

Yesss

[heavy ridge]

Swallow 🤔🤔🤔

[proven jolt]

Yeah lol

[granite monolith]

Use your brain

[urban stirrup]

Math is now a subjective thing

[harsh zinc]

I see u spent a lot

Top 1

[pliant mango]

I heard bcm was too f2p ppl whales were quitting

[near flame]

I meant you xdd

[proven jolt]

Nuh uh

[proven jolt]

Yeah thats true

[harsh zinc]

[rigid vector]

its not about the number, its about you saying the number is "not small", thats not a fact what are you on about

[urban stirrup]

He is definetly

[steady creek]

I quit because content was stale

[short herald]

additive with other % damage boosts. the mit is multiplicative with other damage taken downs.

[granite monolith]

They are ragebaiting 100%

[grim jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-leonardo-dicaprio-leo-dicaprio-bravo-applause-gif-3866013606352724491

YES

[hollow fern]

thats def a fault on the devs part

[urban stirrup]

Either that or really ignorant

[granite monolith]

Blocked him 1 hour ago

[urban trench]

there are very few % damage boosts in this game though

[finite fiber]

thanks

[viscid remnant]

Thanks btw everyone, this will keep me occupied until game launches

[urban trench]

maybe I am not remembering them on top of my head

[rigid vector]

guys 10% is not small but 9% is small ok? thats a fact and if you say otherwise you dont math ok? its just math and numbers guys

[urban stirrup]

I think a good compromise would be to get rid of last node while keeping the others

[heavy ridge]

So a C5 Lian can oneshot Terror because she has 672% increased ATK

[pliant mango]

I for sure know every 50 days without events you get one dupe of char

[urban stirrup]

I hope you are a troll

[near flame]

I was reading a bit and there's this one message he said if you're not planning to 5 dupe every character get out of here or sum shit like wtf 😂😂 anyways... Guess it's normal people are heated with this

[worthy kiln]

Pls dont ever block me i…i…. ||I LOVE U 😩💦🍑||

[urban trench]

if it was as big as e7 (full dupe is as good as 3 substats) I would be more than happy.

[proven jolt]

Yeah, that is also still true

[urban trench]

the final dupe alone is worth 13, it's not ok

[rigid vector]

a good compromise would be to make the last node give 25% more dmg and reduction, to make a statement if anything, i hope theyre no cowards

[finite fiber]

6 is average from what i herd 🙂

[urban trench]

and that is only the damage part

[hollow fern]

hb 9.5

[worthy kiln]

I am one…but a calm one

[urban stirrup]

Nah you a homie in the community

[worthy kiln]

I troll on tuesdays

[viscid remnant]

just make it buff speed by 10% as well

poggers idea

[worthy kiln]

🤝

[hollow fern]

mf its monday🤪✌️

[urban trench]

make it buff energy generation and total energy

[granite monolith]

Now calculate yourself how many days it would take for you to max every charakter + the new ones coming out.

[proven jolt]

95% minimum

[short herald]

Passives skills such as Victor's.
Some skills also have individual % damage boosts such as Rilmocha's S2.
Shell third passive slot
Shell skills for certain damaging ones
Most of the attack based sets have it
Debuffs such as Dinah's vuln

[urban trench]

and if you get three characters on your account you get refresh efficiency +20%

[worthy kiln]

Guess we will see what i have in store for tmr

[pliant mango]

Why would you max every char

[urban trench]

you sure dinah vuln isn't separate? I thought it is additive with damage received

[rigid vector]

why the fuck would you not unless youre casual/dont care ofc

[viscid remnant]

20% chance to act twice each turn

[urban trench]

forgot about third passive yeah

[urban stirrup]

Passives are meant to be the cream of the crop, not just like a dupe increase

[steady creek]

Guys why not make dupes basically devilmons like the gold lattices?

[hollow fern]

i live in the east so i can tellthe future for yall western ppl there

[pliant mango]

You say you dont get dupes from free puls or smthing like that

[granite monolith]

I dont mind having a constructive conversation and i am absolutely fine coming to the conclusion of aggre to disaggre. But the moment i realize i am talking to ragebaiters or trolls i block instantly.

[finite fiber]

whats to stop the game from giving you a dupe select ticket from every event?

[near flame]

Even maxing a team takes time and you're going to keep developing new coming chars

[urban stirrup]

I still am going to enjoy the game since it's fun and i don't want to sweat in rta but imo last node is impactful

[rigid vector]

yeah if you poorpors cry so much about dupes i wish you 5 dupes of any ssr on release that will make you happy right?

[granite monolith]

To have a flexible roster and react on balance changes if specific charakters get buffed/nerfed or changed? What do you mean

[near flame]

Bro are you Pokimane?

[urban stirrup]

Dude stop no one takes you seriously anymore

[gentle swift]

https://tenor.com/view/pokimane-broke-boy-gif-1631750273434798155

[heavy ridge]

Diablo Immortal Player 😭😭

[pliant mango]

I played on top 10 rta and for sure my ling luo a1 and sania a6 were both dying as easily

[worthy kiln]

Ahh yeah i see. Usually i ignore so i can see them talk to themselves but that works

[urban stirrup]

That was good 🤣

[hollow fern]

i doubt only megawhales will go for the last node, and whales do usually occupy 2-4% of the whole playerbase, not counting the mega ones. i think were fine

[finite fiber]

this i never had a match where i was like tank fuck kraken was s5 or he would have died

[hollow fern]

[grim jetty]

Maybe because the ennemy dps are d5 lmao

[urban stirrup]

Yeah definetly, i still think it's not a "small" increase like many here said tho

[rigid vector]

yeah in diablo immortal the devs arent so spineless and at least go all the way not this non sense capping stamina refreshes, capping at 5 dupes that give like what 15-20% more power wtf

[pliant mango]

More the point of your not maxing every char with guild content youre getting dupes with pulls since ofc you pulling on perm

[urban stirrup]

Holy multibillion company dollar soldier

[grim jetty]

Everything would work fine if they are no dupes in rta only tho ? Why change this ?

[compact ocean]

I mean truthfully, if you lose you will almost certainly go to your draft being the issue before just randomly bringing up imprints, but I'm still on yea 5th needs to be toned down, or just set for non rta

[hollow fern]

true, ig its atp used to justify going for the big pp powerboost in exchange of ur whole life savings

[urban stirrup]

For sure

[compact ocean]

But genuinely its just not that deep 💀

[pliant mango]

As to the point ppl are overestimating last dupe effect

[rigid vector]

yeah if you lose its just your draft, just improve and dont cry about dupes please

[short herald]

Yes but when let's say a 60% HP Victor is getting 105%/95%/85%/80% boosted (Fury Keeneye max roll shell) on his S3 taking that up to 115%/105%/95%/90% isn't gonna make all that much of a difference

[urban stirrup]

On paper i don't think but probably on actual game you lose because of it 5 times out of 100

[heavy ridge]

What’s your resonance

[finite fiber]

if the last node was so impactfull how did no one notice there sr unit having the buff active

[rigid vector]

[urban trench]

it's a bit of a victor thing though

[pliant mango]

That 5/100 can be also just about rng

[urban stirrup]

Yeah tho a victor maxed out can get up to a 70% dmg reduction, that's crazy

[granite monolith]

Bro why are we starting to flex about a game in beta state. The amount of players compared to launch is way different. I for myself can also say i was the only one who cleared dokidoki Inferno with only 1 ssr but that means almost nothing.

[urban trench]

tiamat just gets the shell passive

[gentle swift]

I love how no one had an issue with it when it was active in beta and didn't know... now its the best tasting popcorn

[pliant mango]

Im not flexing im speaking with experience

[heavy ridge]

Tell me tho

[rigid vector]

wait do poors actually need ssrs to clear inferno? you do that shit with srs only to flex no?

[finite fiber]

im assuming he said top 10 cause that means he was fighting whales not a flex

[hollow fern]

that yt vid singlehandedly led everything to this.

[near flame]

I think most people didn't have many dupes active tbh, who whales in a beta? 😂

[urban stirrup]

Because even for whales it's hard to have P5 in 2 weeks

[compact ocean]

Its mainly just mental things, when you dont know to look for it you dont contemplate it, you start thinking about every other factor. BUT your draft is why you'd lose in almost all cases anyways

but just food for thought

[pliant mango]

Alot?

[gentle swift]

for rebate... you better fucking believe I did

[harsh zinc]

Nah

[steady creek]

The guy who spent 10k on the beta

[rigid vector]

yeah agree, gear and dupes arent that impactful

[harsh zinc]

Just spent 20k

And thats it

You have all rc5

[urban trench]

massiah the cheapest dps, you can p5 him

[gentle swift]

most of us whales are mad we didn't know earlier... or we would've spent more in beta

[compact ocean]

well gear is extremely impactful

[near flame]

Yeah but most people spend 100-300 dollars, that's no whale level

[compact ocean]

but thats the same thing as e7, just farm and go next

[hollow fern]

3k per multi(no soft pity btw)💔

[finite fiber]

i didnt whale and i had a lot of sr units to s5 and i had s3 ril and i honestly cant say at any point i was like wow i wonder if the dupes are active this seems like a lot

[worthy kiln]

Many did for the rebate. If it was just a regular beta then yeah ig

[urban stirrup]

I would suggest you to not take him seriously,

[heavy ridge]

100$ is my monthly income wdym no whale

[compact ocean]

ppl cry about stamina refreshes, e7 had no limit from launch lol

[harsh zinc]

I spent 100 euro And I stop right now cause want to see what this company want to do

[compact ocean]

it was a civil response

[harsh zinc]

How much is it?

[compact ocean]

was lowkey rage baiting before tho

[worthy kiln]

Dont say most when you dont have an exact number btw

[near flame]

I did rebate too but I don't consider that whale

[steady creek]

1k 90 dolla

[pliant mango]

Bit over 1k

[hollow fern]

where is bro living💔

[harsh zinc]

Oh Thx

[short herald]

10% HP Victor (the last step in his passive) has 54% damage resistance. With max prowess dupes it would go up to 58.6%

[near flame]

Did you get many dupes for your characters?

[worthy kiln]

I mean we dont know what everyone dropped on here so

[steady creek]

Bruh thats obviously fake😭

[rigid vector]

see now thats a gamer whos actually trying to compete

[urban trench]

you sure it's not additive?

[granite monolith]

What do you mean? Nobody will actively realize something specific if they do not pay attention to it. Especially if its something working from behind like percentages.

[harsh zinc]

He spent like 150 euro no?

Is not a lot

[heavy ridge]

You are delusional

[steady creek]

Actualy nope i was lucky with no dupes only missed 3 ssrs by the end of beta

[urban stirrup]

His passive wasn't up to 60% dr? Oh maybe the 10% isn't additive to the 60?

[finite fiber]

but its so impactfull and game changing how could you not notice it

[heavy ridge]

Lucky with no dupes ? 5 dupes give you 672% atk how’s that lucky

[short herald]

His passive hits 60% damage resistance at 0% hp

[urban stirrup]

Guys tho very few had P5 characters in beta

[near flame]

I mean... Do you think there's more whales or f2p/dolphins? That's why I said it, obviously going for rebate was worth it, I did too 😂

[short herald]

he's kinda dead at that point

[steady creek]

Its Beta, i wanna test everything

[hollow fern]

ur gotta be ragebaiting

[steady creek]

Who hyperfocuses on units in beta😭

[urban stirrup]

Oh at 0? Then yeah that was my misunderstanding but do you know if the 10% is added to his passive dr or separate?

[near flame]

My point then, no one noticed dupes because even whales didn't had that many dupes

[short herald]

My Andrew would have been a hell of a lot tankier than he was if it were additive

[worthy kiln]

I see

[harsh zinc]

Depends How much do you spent

[granite monolith]

Use your brain ty

[harsh zinc]

And How much are u lucky

[urban stirrup]

I also think this

[steady creek]

Its just my rng. Someone got 6 dupes of messiah

[finite fiber]

dude lots were running maxed s5 sr units

[steady creek]

My luck isnt your luck

[worthy kiln]

Maxing SR wasnt hard though

[urban stirrup]

Yeah but Sr still have less innate stats than SSr

[harsh zinc]

The Lucks Who matter is the offical lunch luck the beta luck dosent care unfortunatly

[urban stirrup]

But yeah Sr stonks go up

[worthy kiln]

Shit luck but wasnt hard

[steady creek]

Yup

[near flame]

I guess that ONE dude proves my entire point wrong

[steady creek]

Its the only dude i know... bro

Theres 3 servers

[urban stirrup]

I think he's the exception that proves the point

[steady creek]

3 whaleing servers

[harsh zinc]

[steady creek]

They dont flex their stuff

3 aervers with like what 2k each playing?

[near flame]

SR are heavily easy to get

[finite fiber]

ye my point was tho its not as bad as people think its going to be if max dupe sr units didnt just slap the ass of the ssr with the 10%, would it be better to not have dupes yes, is it gonna break the game no

[short herald]

damage downs need to be multiplicative because if additive you can hit 95% with R Andrew create a cockroach Reason Andrew which is all kinda of fucked up

[steady creek]

I mean... viper kinda went mvp in the recent tournament

[pliant mango]

It wasnt bcs of dupes

[finite fiber]

cause of kit not s5 be real

[quasi dew]

thats not because of dupes

[urban stirrup]

Right, otherwise there might be some broken shenanigans

[granite monolith]

So the conclusion is we just want the dupes to not work in rta right? Nice guys we did it. Now we just need to wait for the devs to apply it.

[steady creek]

Ah i see

[short herald]

Viper went ham due to buff stacking and having a 75% double dispel off turn is huge

[steady creek]

Idk cuz theres no way to know if someone has max dupes😭

[urban stirrup]

Viper has a really broken passive

[steady creek]

They should add that imo

[worthy kiln]

Viper is so feisty

[urban stirrup]

Im in the middle, i think the problem is the last node

[quasi dew]

fast viper is a smart pick vs full bulwark

[harsh zinc]

Just enter in his account easy

[near flame]

I do think it's not THAT bad... But it is still bad, specially that 5th dupe. In a way it's nice cause now you will enjoy getting dupes from the regular banner... But idk, it still feels a little meh

[urban trench]

unfortunately I don't expect devs to listen to the global audience, and I don't expect CN to care 😦

and evenamong the global audience some people seem to be havppy about it anyway

[worthy kiln]

Thats how hes supposed to be built just like heinrich but people made him dps instead

[urban stirrup]

Yeah dupes are now not bad at the very least

[pliant mango]

My 40k hp sania with 10 reduction and 25% from tiamat should take 0 dmg she still died

[granite monolith]

There is no possitive reason to have ssr dupe effects to work in rta tho?

[steady creek]

Is hienrich suppose to be dps? I was so confused seeing so many built him dps tbh

[urban stirrup]

No absolutely but from the company point of view yes

[short herald]

117 base speed though 😦

[rigid vector]

wdym theres no positive reason sir? $$$$

[keen vale]

yeah i don't think they will disable dupes either, at most they can tone them down a bit

[worthy kiln]

You can make him but he is a debuffer

[pliant mango]

Both works

[quasi dew]

he has a sword so surely he is a dps lmao

[urban stirrup]

Oh hell naw he came back

[steady creek]

I see

[worthy kiln]

They are strippers

[urban stirrup]

Still i think the best compromise is for the last node to be reworked

[compact ocean]

Thing is by design, they'd need to change crit rate dupes. Its just annoying to differentiate between percentages like that across content

[urban stirrup]

For both the company and the players

[short herald]

give me my 130 base speed stripper or give me death!

[compact ocean]

Its the main reason I knew it was a mistranslation from day 1 lol

[worthy kiln]

[steady creek]

I kinda like the seasons alternating between dupes matter and dupes dont matter more imo

[near flame]

Skill issue

[finite fiber]

make the last node give you a skin or title like lily master or someshit problem solved

[urban stirrup]

That's also a compromise i wouldn't hate

[quasi dew]

just get a max jackal with +20 speed passive ez

[pliant mango]

Cant be that was 35% more stats

[heavy ridge]

Gear Gap

[pliant mango]

What about my 671% more hp

[heavy ridge]

672% brudda don’t get it twisted

[urban stirrup]

That was all trolling for fun

[near flame]

That's actually not a bad idea, whales love the show off

[urban stirrup]

Bro took it seriously

[pliant mango]

Ok

[granite monolith]

What do you mean? Deactivate it in rta and thats it. Playerbase happy

[finite fiber]

id rather have something cosmtic then 10% ngl

[rigid vector]

and by playerbase you mean you are happy?

[urban stirrup]

I think your solution is great

[compact ocean]

A very easy example is say you have messiah at 100 crit rate (with dupe) for pve, its also 100 in rta now. If you remove the dupe, you're now 100 in pve and 92 in Rta, meaning you'd need to overcap for pve

[heavy ridge]

Just bring Bikini Loli Skins and I drop 20 bands

[compact ocean]

moreso end game min maxxing

but bad design nonetheless

[keen vale]

I don't think the whole playerbase will be happy tho

[rigid vector]

ok low key make it cosmetic thats way better anyway, no whale needs those 10% to stomp f2p anyway

[sweet reef]

yeah I think cosmetics r lacking rn if they create new ones a lot of people would buy those

[compact ocean]

could just change crit rate imprints to a diff node and then disable, thatd be a lot better if anything

[steady creek]

Sus

[granite monolith]

So we have a season where f2p dont care to play and a season where they care? Lets afk then until we have a chance then next season.

[heavy ridge]

Smd

[steady creek]

You still get rewards

Just dont push to the top?

[keen vale]

yeah that's my take with this solution as well, feels weird idk

[near flame]

I think it's fair to say that it would be more people happy than not

[urban stirrup]

I mean they still have to make money somehow, i think a good compromise is last node rework like I said

[compact ocean]

^

[pearl ivy]

I thought they already made it clear that dupes are not activated in rta?

[finite fiber]

thw rewards for just getting top 500 is decent

[granite monolith]

Who runs the same set on a unit in pvp and pve

[urban stirrup]

They are

[compact ocean]

brother im talking hypotheticals

its very possible

and bad design

[near flame]

I agree with the crit thing aswell

[heavy ridge]

Content Creators and Mods did but not DX official

[compact ocean]

im not saying itll commonly happen

cause it wont

but its very bad design

[frozen talon]

the only thing that was made clear was misinformation being passed around and was treated as gospel

[pearl ivy]

I see how it is

[urban stirrup]

Yeah

[granite monolith]

So f2p who play this game for the competitiveness just afk until they are viable. Got you

[worthy kiln]

[steady creek]

I mean... f2p will never reach number 1 tho....

[compact ocean]

Regardless though theres a genuine 0% chance they full remove dupes for rta lol, thats asking for way 2 much lenience

[finite fiber]

moral of the story is never listen to gacha youtubers

[rigid vector]

brother as f2p theres no "competitiveness", if the whales arent trolling its not happening

[compact ocean]

dupes 1-4 will not affect you hitting top100 vs missing top100

thats 99% ur draft

[urban stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/spike-spiegel-cowboy-bebop-smoke-life-whatever-happens-gif-12426681

[fervent panther]

I like the idea of alternating seasons having dups effective, and the next season disabling duplicates. I feel like the last node could just be entirely cut for all content tho. It's a huge chunk of stats.
However, it is worth noting that duplicates can still have a big value for whales in PVE it will allow them to push content much easier and sooner.
So even if there was no effect in RTA it wouldn't be worthless.
The most important thing to protect in this game is the fairness and competitiveness of PvP. It sets it apart from other gachas.

[worthy kiln]

[near flame]

Everyone was very certain about and it was mentioned very very often in the discord, they should have said something honestly but I do understand it may be a tough position, the more u wait the worst it gets tho

[urban stirrup]

That's actually not entirely true but have it your way

[compact ocean]

^

[frozen talon]

yea hopefully jack will comment on this thread soon, its probably midnight for him already so hes sleeping lol

[granite monolith]

There are so many other ways to make money. In such a game you just have to make good skins and everybody will buy. You dont have to touch the core mechanics at all for that

[rigid vector]

see, now i can say "maths and numbers " sir, its just maths and numbers everything else is delusional

[worthy kiln]

Whats his @

[compact ocean]

e7 had a f2p or super low spender (not exactly sure on which) finish hall of fame

[steady creek]

Gacha games cant survive only from skins tho

[somber onyx]

A game that wants to seriously be focused on competitive PvP needs a large playerbase.

In cases like that the monetization model should be focused on increasing the number of players and then converting F2Ps into battle passers and battle passers into low spenders.

Not incentivizing the small number of whales into pulling for max dupes and disenfranchising other players from even taking part at all.

[urban stirrup]

I don't know, like I said i feel a good compromise would be to just rework the last nofe

[near flame]

Massive +1

[urban stirrup]

Im also against the system but not entirely

[steady creek]

And if they do add skins, people will complain if the skin is more than 20$ each 😭

[urban stirrup]

Indeed it's maths and numbers but also draft.....

[worthy kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[pliant mango]

Ppl will complain about not getting them free

[near flame]

+1 again

[steady creek]

Tru tru

[finite fiber]

1000 gems skins is kinda reasonable so far

[pearl ivy]

Ppl will complain regardless

[compact ocean]

Them selling skins for 1000 crystals is crazy work, they're gonna regret that down the line

[worthy kiln]

Yeah bc those skins are shit though

[compact ocean]

should just sell for usd off the rip

[steady creek]

Yeaaaa

[frozen talon]

idk what his @ is, but earlier someone said he commented on that male:female ratio thread cause it had a lot of traction on that thread lol

[compact ocean]

skins are a monetization gold mine

[pliant mango]

Ppl complained about having skins locked with PvP

[compact ocean]

and are harmless

[gentle swift]

Bunny Girl MC or your acct is bricked

[keen vale]

The idea I liked the most so far is just making the 5th dupe give you an exclusive skin for the character instead of giving you the passive, don't know if it will be enough incentive for whales tho

[urban stirrup]

That's a stupid complain in my book

[short herald]

current skins are mostly just recolours. ones with model changes and/or new animations will cost actual money when and if they come

[worthy kiln]

Ill hunt later. Ty

[terse meteor]

people complain for anything possible

[pearl ivy]

They def. need to work on skins, the skins we have rn are all dogshit

[pliant mango]

Welcome to the thread

[granite monolith]

If we say you are a low spender and manage to reset stamina everyday i think this game has the potential to give low spenders a platform to be competitive with whales. Also whale doesnt mean you are better at the game. This game has enough mechanical depth to enable that.

[urban stirrup]

Im sure they will

[steady creek]

F2ps will complain on not having the skin for free

[pliant mango]

Ppl complain

[urban stirrup]

Yeah but the concerns about the last node in particular i find that fair

[finite fiber]

guess i was the only person who liked the lily recolour then :3

[near flame]

Skins should cost direct money, not gems imo

[terse meteor]

no sweep feature wtf devs

[urban stirrup]

Or the miscommunication about this

[heavy ridge]

We need more sexy step up skins. Where you can choose what pieces to wear

[keen vale]

I mean yeah but we are already complaining about dupes anyway, at least it won't impact rta xD

[steady creek]

I mean yea... but f2p can never win against a whale unless the f2p saves all gold lattice for new units that whales wasted theur mats on for old unuts

[pearl ivy]

They can have events that gives em free skin

[heavy ridge]

Skins too mid so far to cost money

[worthy kiln]

Black Messiah (totally not racist) is the only good delicious mouth-quivering drooling skin we got tbh

[rigid vector]

sir you are not refreshing every day as a low spender, you have to buy crystals, you are talking about a game that does not exist

[urban stirrup]

Yeah but in sure down the line they will improve them a lot

[near flame]

Oh yeah I agree, I mean the good ones in the future if any

[pearl ivy]

Mfer down bad lmao you’re right tho

[worthy kiln]

[pliant mango]

How you don't know jacks handle on disc?

[pearl ivy]

[frozen talon]

f2p probably only can reset for like a few weeks max and they'll run dry on crystals

[worthy kiln]

Bro i didnt even know Chris was in here this whole time until after that last vid we got about the game

[granite monolith]

I literally dont know 1 example where a gacha tried to survive with skins only. Also this game is very unique and i dont think comparing it to 95% of other gachas is giving it justice.

[urban stirrup]

They can still keep the stamina caps and use them during x2 drops

[steady creek]

Imo i dont think low spender = max refreshers either

[heavy ridge]

Fuck Dupes we need reruns of reset events y’all just tweaking about useless stuff

[near flame]

I don't think you should reset more than 10 days or so f2p/dolphin

Depends on how much they give you later tho

[steady creek]

Counterside, they gave shit ton of pulls even after honeymoon. Their main profit was skins

[urban trench]

save resets for the double drop

after the first one

[urban stirrup]

Exactly

[worthy kiln]

Give stamina caps from shop exchange weekly

[granite monolith]

What do you mean it literally happens in sw and e7 that whales lose to f2ps. Its not like top 100 are whales only.

[pliant mango]

@worthy kiln its jackzzz

[pearl ivy]

No wonder it’s dead now

[near flame]

I would only use it here after I reach end game tbh

[steady creek]

..... sure if f2p plays for 2 or more years

[worthy kiln]

Bet. Gonna flood his dm how much i LOVE this game

[urban trench]

do you play sw? What do dupes do there?

[steady creek]

Yea it died 😂

[near flame]

Yes, saving the normal refills and gems for sure

[pliant mango]

Banned before launch deal

[worthy kiln]

[kindred shuttle]

nothing

[urban stirrup]

Nooo don't ban my boy

[short herald]

Fellow Counterside enjoyer?!?! I thought I was the literal only one left

[urban trench]

bruh

[worthy kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[steady creek]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/994370183932162150/997078591869292635/wesleyoppa-1.gif

[pliant mango]

We dont enjoy counterside anymore

[pearl ivy]

[steady creek]

I still have the gif

[urban trench]

then where does this "at least dupes are less important than in other pvp games" even come from. The hell are people playing out there

[heavy ridge]

We should get L/D Selector for Money for Launch pls !! Hello Jack please make it work

[compact ocean]

its mainly just e7

[kindred shuttle]

u straight get 2nd copy of that character which can sometimes be usefull in guild pvp

[granite monolith]

I played it and dropped it because i didnt like the pvp so much. I dont think they eos because of selling skins only.

[worthy kiln]

Thatll be 300$ please

[urban stirrup]

That's what was said by the devs tho if i recall correctly

[steady creek]

Nah they did, they ended up selling 100$ skins

[pliant mango]

And they were right

[urban trench]

ok, so what are the devs playing then 😄

[compact ocean]

sw is egregiously p2w though, to the point where rta games are actually mostly unique and not just flowcharts (although from my experience a few years back)

its lowkey fun in that aspect

[urban stirrup]

Tho compared to E7 is not much better

[compact ocean]

e7 rta is just watching paint dry atp

[urban trench]

from what I've heard the unit acquisition is very gated in sw, unfortunately

[pliant mango]

If sw just had dupes

[urban stirrup]

Still F2p friendly tho, don't get me wrong

[drowsy oyster]

If dupes are active then they should add a mode where you can farm dupe shards for that character, if you have it. It's the one good thing outerplane had.

Basically it's a small story stage for each of the SSRs that tells a little about them, and it's only unlocked if you pulled the character. Had a daily limit

[worthy kiln]

Im about to play dislyte atp cuz bored for weeks

[urban stirrup]

Man I loved that game but they never added rta

[urban trench]

holy roleplay value

[urban stirrup]

Maybe they did recently?

[steady creek]

Dislyte rates, i hated😭

[pliant mango]

There is called infinity train ethernet rally and guild content

[worthy kiln]

Yea they did

[urban trench]

wrong person tagged, sry

[urban stirrup]

Yeah but i hated the eff/res system there

[worthy kiln]

Multiple seasons. Just not REAL rta

[urban stirrup]

Tho the designs and musics were peak

[near flame]

Me too, I quit because of that

[unborn birch]

You can obtain one dupe for RGB character every 1.5 months from Union.

[granite monolith]

Dupes are basically skill ups in etheria. However you have an item that is called devilmon which serves the same purpose. You get alot of them through events, pvp and pve. You can easily max any unit without pulling a dupe.

[worthy kiln]

[urban stirrup]

Maybe i will reinstall it to see what's up

[worthy kiln]

[pliant mango]

There is no dupes on sw

[worthy kiln]

The game is shit

[pliant mango]

But if there were

Oh baby

[heavy ridge]

So sw is f2p friendly ?

[pearl ivy]

Reinstalling dislyte in 2025

[pliant mango]

Yes

[worthy kiln]

Real

[near flame]

😂😂😂 absolutely not

[compact ocean]

sw the f2p goat

[pliant mango]

Sw most f2p game ever no dupes no 50/50

[terse meteor]

Yeah you only have to catch up 10 years old account

[urban stirrup]

Last time I played i didn't get a 5 star for months

[urban stirrup]

Then quit

[finite fiber]

whats to stop them added other ways to get dupes from events tho no one knows it might not even take that long for a ftp to get a s5

[steady creek]

If you love 0.1% rates

[compact ocean]

sw is the greatest game on the planet if ur severely dopamine deprived

that shit will hit

[worthy kiln]

Too generous. Was thinking 0.0000001

[drowsy oyster]

Sure but L/D units tend to be better. It's not an issue now but as the game goes on longer...

[steady creek]

No pity too

[urban stirrup]

Gotta feed that gamba addiction

[worthy kiln]

[frozen talon]

well if dupes are to be active, maybe the goal might be to convince devs to provide more sources of obtaining dupe for f2p and it will help to mitigate this backlash from miscommunication

[pliant mango]

Pulling ld5 on sw is like doing cocaine if the unit is good

[urban stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-sense-thinking-headache-spiderman-spiderverse-gif-16518960839675832979

[worthy kiln]

Facts tho

[granite monolith]

I find it not trustworthy to be sure about the reason of an eos, if its obvious that the problem will have multiple factors.

[pliant mango]

You get ld dupes too from rally/train

[steady creek]

I mean... e.o.s means no profit or no players

[finite fiber]

i thought cs global struggled cause most of the people that were super into the game were already on the sea servers

[urban stirrup]

As of now there are ways but they take ages and the units will end up being irrelevant down the line

[steady creek]

I dont remember about that. But i remember when servers were about to open people were spamming let me in in the discord chat

[short herald]

CS global was actually profitable enough for the devs to buy out of the publishing contract and take the other servers back. The problems started with a giant systems revamp that kind afucked a lot of people over progression and pvp wise

[frozen talon]

yes thats why i suggested to add more sources, cause the current ones take too long

[pliant mango]

I was there

[urban stirrup]

That may also be a solution

[finite fiber]

oh interesting i stoped playing sea around the time global launched

[steady creek]

Jesus 1625 messages in this thread

[urban stirrup]

Outdoing male/female ratio

[steady creek]

It only been 2 hrs😭

[finite fiber]

gl reading the 25 actual feedback messages XD

[urban trench]

it's because people started using this as etheria-chat

[granite monolith]

Ohh so now we already have 2 variables. How do you know its about the game being not fun to hold players?

[steady creek]

It was relatively about dupes, except the arguing

[terse meteor]

devs will definitely read this thread

[steady creek]

Bruh why are you still on that. Just move on😭

[kindred shuttle]

we have to make sure we got more messages on this than male/female ratio post

[worthy kiln]

They at 4k?

[urban stirrup]

If there is players engagement (mostly F2p) there is no way that there is no profit

[urban stirrup]

It has to be extremely generous and have a bad system all around for it to be the case

[urban stirrup]

You ain't beating my thread

[steady creek]

Wouldny the server cost have to be less than the amount the few whales spend

[worthy kiln]

[urban stirrup]

Yeah sure but servers cost and pumping out new content isn't as expensive as people believe it to be

[steady creek]

Oo i see

[urban stirrup]

We gave enough feedback i think, let's wait for Jack to respond (maybe)

[urban stirrup]

Also investors play a big role in this but I digress

[granite monolith]

What do you mean? We both decided to hold this conversation about this topic. Now i cornered you, basically proving that your argument doesnt make sense, which lowers the truthfullness of your comments. Thus you realized it and try to jump off.

Just kidding still love you boi

[heavy ridge]

[urban stirrup]

Guys don't get personal

Unless it's against mage something, that dude is too much

[jovial moat]

so am i getting refund or 2x vouchers for these chiggers baiting me into a f2p game

[heavy ridge]

No, don’t get personal to anyone. We and DX want a good and peaceful environment and make the game great !!

[urban stirrup]

What does XD want tho?

[wise drift]

ok im back what I miss

[urban stirrup]

Jack is typing

[steady creek]

Nothing much

[wise drift]

damn I missed 800 messages wtf

[granite monolith]

Anyways imo they simply should deactivate dupes in rta and we Gucci. There is absolutely no valid point for players to have them active in rta. Do not forget btw that the new players will need to catch up to all those dupes, which makes it not desireable to start for competitive players

[urban stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-gif-14980450905264007240

[wise drift]

JACK THE GOAT WE LOVE YOU

[heavy ridge]

Competitive Players will start at Launch 🤔

[steady creek]

Basically: 1. No dupe in rta, 2. Alternate seasons with dupes and no dupes enabled

[terse meteor]

[steady creek]

I forgoy the other optuons

[pliant mango]

Jack this is best game ever

Thanks for the inspiration

[steady creek]

I agree, im having withdrawl symptoms

[terse meteor]

Jack release the game now and we forgive the dupes thing

[urban stirrup]

I think reworking the last node would be a good compromise as well

[steady creek]

Ah that one too

[pliant mango]

Shhh let him type

[wise drift]

jack cooking rn fr

[urban stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

[quasi dew]

probably about to cook you

[worthy kiln]

JACK I LOVE U. I LOVE THE GAME. I LOVE PVP. not pve. I LOVE THE CHARACTERS

[urban stirrup]

I also love PvE

[hushed seal]

Exactly! Your voice matters a lot to Etheria. Actually we asked the CM team to collect feedbacks from our community and that's why this thread is created. Thanks for caring so much about the future of our game, there are so many helpful inputs that we just need some time to digest. I haven't finished read 1/3 of your feedbacks and more messages are coming. I will talk to the team about this issue and get back to you in a day or two. Definitely before official launch. Again, we appreciate your participation in this beta and Thank you so much for supporting us.

[urban stirrup]

Thank you for this

[terse meteor]

Poor soul reading all these messages 😭😭😭

[pliant mango]

Gonna be a rough ride 1/3 of thread

[frozen talon]

thanks for acknowledging the problem, appreciate it

[pliant mango]

Where 50% is arguing

[steady creek]

10% were personal attacks people did to others 💀

[worthy kiln]

I hope he notices Glorp getting burned

[heavy ridge]

Pls fix 672% Stat boost

[somber onyx]

or calling people "poors" 😩

[urban stirrup]

That was the best part

[worthy kiln]

Sacrifice

[urban stirrup]

Deserved for spreading misinformation

[granite monolith]

Ok our voice got through, now i can finally go to the gym

[pliant mango]

Can someone check how many was @heavy ridge comments so we can ignore them xD

[granite monolith]

good teamwork guys

well done

[tidal burrow]

Simple fix is, add the coins needed to craft dupes to RTA shop.

[urban stirrup]

He actually answered seriously once or twice

[heavy ridge]

Stop switching up on me now Jack was in here

Master Glaze

[pliant mango]

Snitching*

[pliant mango]

Lol thats not bad take lmao

Meaningful comment found

[urban trench]

oh, I would love the dupe coin shop

[urban stirrup]

I mean it was already stated tho

[pliant mango]

I missed that one

Myb

[urban stirrup]

To have other ways for F2P to get dupes (the current ones take ages)

I still would love last node to be reworked but that's just me

[tidal burrow]

This game isn't even that bad to get dupes on regular units tho tbh

Its by far the cheapest gacha I've played in a while

[urban stirrup]

Yeah l/d are another matter tho

[tidal burrow]

$100 pity

Only need 6 units

Youd probably get it within $400

[urban stirrup]

I mean in E7 you could use regular units as dupes for l/d

I had multiple l/d sss

[urban stirrup]

That was also a nice system

[pliant mango]

Lets say 8 units just to have box

[tidal burrow]

But yeah L/D being 3x the cost is a little crazy for having same rates

[finite fiber]

best place to add a dupe item would be into the shop for the currency you get from pulls also

[tidal burrow]

?

You need to pull a character 6 times to max it

Im sure you can off pity 1 or 2

[finite fiber]

getting dupes for what you want to target will be a lot harder when they release more characters

[tidal burrow]

With normal luck

[urban stirrup]

Definetly

[heavy ridge]

Just buy 500k crystals and dupe them all out

[worthy kiln]

Better swipe that card early then

||Im jk||

[urban stirrup]

Buff marvell and make him a femboy loli

[wise drift]

where is the spoiler tag on the joke

not your usual modus operandi

[worthy kiln]

Wym

[pearl ivy]

[wise drift]

[finite fiber]

im still on team make s5 into a cosmetic item, you telling me whales would not cream at something like a title with a number attached so lily no1 for first s5 no2 for second etc

[steady creek]

500k o.o aint that like 5k?

[urban stirrup]

That's also good, I agree

[heavy ridge]

Only 6k

[steady creek]

Yoooo they should do the titles

[granite monolith]

Conclusion:
Just disable dupes in RTA. There is absolutely no reason to have such a great advantage by paying in such a competitive environment. It doesnt serve any positive purpose for the playerbase and is very new player unfriendly. The advantage whales have by paying is already enough and shouldnt reach such an unfair state like having dupes active in RTA. Sorry for pinging and thank you for your time and work 🙂

[urban stirrup]

Only problem in my book is last node and making it for cosmetic and titles would be nice

[steady creek]

Titles would be awesome. They gotta make it look cool tho

[granite monolith]

Anyways now i go to the gym

good work guys

wp

[urban stirrup]

Yeah or skin, if they look cool I would be hyped to get a P5

[wise drift]

idk bro it doesnt look like u wanna go

just stay tbh

[pliant mango]

Aah you meant dupes i meant like 8 chars max duped

[urban stirrup]

I also gotta do some abs....don't wanna

[finite fiber]

id like the skin more but i dont think making that many cool skins in the sort amount of time would be viable which is why i say title

[heavy ridge]

Dupe for a Cosmetic ? Wtf better to have raw power than a trash ass cosmetic

[steady creek]

F2p will be jelous of skins, title not as much

[urban stirrup]

Nah it would be nice tbh

[urban stirrup]

Why not both

[tough halo]

its actually insane how word of mouth spread this. tbf if u look at the official partner hellhades it clearly states "etheria maintains a one-copy-meta "

[steady creek]

Both would be great but then f2ps will have another argument on unfairness😭

[urban stirrup]

Yeah it was almost ufficial at this point

[urban stirrup]

Nah i don't think so, those would be useless complaints and noise

[steady creek]

True

[urban trench]

which is a feature

[tough halo]

well nontheless if there is no clarification of sorts i forsee a bunch of refunds & shitstorm coming their way

[steady creek]

Miscommunication is real

[steady creek]

Dont worry they will in 2 dayz or 3

[urban stirrup]

Yeah idk how it happened to such a degree

[steady creek]

I wonder how it started. Since yes and no sound so different

[finite fiber]

people who follow gacha take what youtube pryd hell etc say as gospal is how

[urban stirrup]

Well i think it was kinda revolutionary in gacha so that's why the mouth to mouth spread as much

[urban trench]

what article is it from?

[urban trench]

tower of fantasy had dupes disabled in pvp

[near flame]

Yeah... who the hell started that I want to know xdd

[steady creek]

Tof had pvp？

[urban stirrup]

Oh I didn't know, I always heard negative things about it

[tough halo]

https://hellhades.com/etheria-restart/articles/etheria-restart-livestream-highlights/

[urban trench]

yes, tof had pvp, not many people played it. It had equalized gear and dupes

[steady creek]

Whos hellhades?

[urban trench]

you just had to have a character

[steady creek]

Ah i see

[jade sinew]

tof had a non working pvp mode lol

[urban stirrup]

A site that makes guides that collabs ufficialy with ER

[heavy ridge]

It’s just a question of do they wanna keep the playerbase or do they want to earn more money

[steady creek]

Oh

[gentle swift]

and a bunch of hackers and cheaters

[urban trench]

YEP

[tough halo]

official partner of etheria restart

[near flame]

the pvp in tof was laggy AF

[steady creek]

Bruh... it jusy says:. Summit Arena: Real-time PvP matches with live draft, ban/protect phases, and no duplicate picks allowed.

[finite fiber]

hades made all the money from RAID SHADOW LEGENDS&

[steady creek]

Nothing about dupes

[near flame]

No duplicate picks as if no double Tiamat in both teams... damn, nothing to do with dupes, I can see how that got mistaken

[steady creek]

Arent gamebreaking doesnt mean its not enabled...

[urban stirrup]

Oh no it was right tho

[finite fiber]

small bonus not game breaking isnt a lie tho

[steady creek]

They never states dupes were disabled

[finite fiber]

some other people said disabled outright tho

[tough halo]

never claimed that

[urban stirrup]

They still aren't gamebreaking so what they wrote is actually right

[loud wharf]

how is 10% atk, hp def and increased 10%dmg and dmg reduction a small bonus

[urban trench]

8 critrate and 12 critdamage too

[near flame]

To be honest 8% crit on a dupe is kinda breaking but whatever

[urban stirrup]

It's not (the 10% dmg increase and mit is not small) but they aren't gamebreaking

[heavy ridge]

Bro this means one dupe is enough and viable and not that’s its disabled 🤡🤡

[jade sinew]

8% is gamebreaking? LMAO?

[steady creek]

The way you worded it previously sounded like it did to me😭

[tough halo]

however saying "Etheria maintains a one-copy-meta" is highly misleading

[near flame]

saying one copy meta is kinda cope tho xD

[fervent panther]

It is a confusing message. I can see how a lot of people could interpret this either way, particularly with multilingual users

[urban trench]

one cope meta

[heavy ridge]

It’s not if you read the whole sentence

[urban stirrup]

Those are not small increases (especially the last one that I would love to see reworked) but it isn't gamebreaking

[finite fiber]

it is a 1 copy meta tho, you only need 1 copy to be able to use the unit with all its kit

[heavy ridge]

10% is small

[tough halo]

u cant eat the cake and have it at the same time brotha

[uncut bobcat]

not what meta means tho

[urban stirrup]

On the whole dmg output no

[tough halo]

this was written as is on purpose

[steady creek]

I think 1 copy meta means you cant use 2 messiahs in your team....

[finite fiber]

i dont think you know what meta means

[urban stirrup]

I also interpreted it like that

[quasi dew]

but i like cake

[heavy ridge]

Imagine your peen is 10% bigger its still small

[near flame]

They are noticeable enough, specially when stacked

[wise drift]

bro we are for sure going to see a lot more gray hairs on jack's head in the next game director interview fr

[urban stirrup]

Not true, even the average gets a 1.5 cm increases

[urban stirrup]

That's noticeable

[steady creek]

I think im old now, if others interpret it as no dupes needed

[heavy ridge]

It’s just the lack of reading comprehension

[finite fiber]

maby non english native speakers read it differently?

[jade sinew]

tbf i saw a lot of non native english speakers in global

so makes sense

[near flame]

I mean I would not blame anyone to understand no dupes from that sentence

[steady creek]

I dont think non english native speakers read on english websites tho... wouldnt they find one i their own language?

[urban stirrup]

Im not native english and i read it like you

[wise drift]

most people here did not "read" it but actually "heard" it

[finite fiber]

lots of french people for sure

[urban stirrup]

Nah the translation is bad most of the times

[steady creek]

Ah i see

[quasi dew]

relax on the french people balgus

[heavy ridge]

💀💀

[jade sinew]

i saw places where it was just straight chinese still, probably used google translate a lot

[urban stirrup]

I agree, It was a mouth to mouth that was revolutionary in the genre so it exploded

[heavy ridge]

that’s peak racism

[near flame]

I'm not native and I understood it does not mean dupes are off but I can see how someone in their excitement can understand otherwise

[finite fiber]

i was in a french guild on beta lol racism how? lol

[steady creek]

Uh..., no commrnt

[finite fiber]

lol kelts

[urban stirrup]

As an italian i hate the french (as cousins tho)

[finite fiber]

well ye im english im with you on that

[short herald]

Well unless they looked on Prydwen who have now updated their FAQ page to not that impactful from don't apply to RTA

[near flame]

As Spanish I can say the same

[heavy ridge]

as an italian I say the same

[urban stirrup]

Are you fr?

[quasi dew]

an an english person, i love europe

[wise drift]

makes sense, considering prydwen is working with xyro and...

[finite fiber]

shido is a pretty japanese name tho dont trust this man

[urban stirrup]

Biggest switch up in history

Burn xyro/glorp

[wise drift]

thats why glorp is getting burned fr

[urban stirrup]

Tho his nick is ciro which is a Italian name

[heavy ridge]

You can’t be fr

[urban trench]

#general-chat message

quickly -- find a scapegoat!

[urban stirrup]

It's from blue lock

[finite fiber]

i know it was a joke i watch bluelock

[heavy ridge]

No

[urban stirrup]

Yeah i interpreted it like a joke as well but when shidō replied I pointed it out

[heavy ridge]

Shydo??? Minchione

[urban stirrup]

Mistype, sei veramente italiano🤣

[finite fiber]

it was cause shido is based on zlatan who i associate with milan ^

[short herald]

I'll be honest though the biggest thing I want with dupes is the ability to turn them into actual characters so I can have differently built ones depending on how I wanna draft em

lemme make my full nuke Rilmocha and my giga speed stunner one

[urban stirrup]

I think they should just allow you to have multiple buildsets

And you can choose which one when you pick the char

[urban trench]

it will be very useful to have a bulwark and non-bulwark build on most characters

[heavy ridge]

We associate zlatan with every club in the world

[finite fiber]

im not a fan of allowing gear swaps, they pick veron so you swap off all your bulwark

[short herald]

Picking as you draft the unit but once it's locked in it's set for the match would also work

[quasi dew]

you mean have the loadouts pop up when you pick characters?

[urban stirrup]

Yeah, when you choose it during selection, also in Rta should work like that

[short herald]

but just having extra units is less dev work and also more sales from lattice packs as you get them up on more units.

[urban stirrup]

Once you picked one build you can't change it tho

[unborn birch]

[heavy ridge]

Guys pls let this thread be about dupes and not gear thanks

[finite fiber]

another issue is if you know your unit is going to get banned 100% you can have a setup with bad gear then swap the good gear to anothern unit

[short herald]

my suggestion did stem from dupe usage though

[quasi dew]

hard agree on this, forget about the dupes. This should be priority

[lavish harbor]

This feels like a general chat now instead of the rta dupe drama discussion 😆

[finite fiber]

MABY s5 gives you the option for a second gearload oout ^

[quasi dew]

hell no

[heavy ridge]

That would make everything worse

[wise drift]

yo idc if it was misinformed your website still better than HH, keep it up

[urban stirrup]

I liked the skin/title suggestion more

[near flame]

yeah that would be a disaster XD

[unborn birch]

Like I get people are pissed and yeah, we had the info on the site, but we learned it from other sources that proved to be mostly from CBT4 days. Guess I learned my lesson to verify stuff like that myself.

[tough halo]

if anything this damages their image badly. think of them priding themselves in lowering the gacha costs as well as being more player friendly doesn't leave space for dupes working in pvp - doesn't matter how in-/significant it is in actuality.

[steady creek]

I mean at least they catched on with the misinformation before launch

[wise drift]

everybody had that info, nobody question it until beta was basically over, unbelievable how it got to this point

[finite fiber]

peple tend to care less about their image if they get rich

[jade sinew]

thats not true, they just didnt take the effort to test it...but people questioned it early on

[near flame]

Honestly... It's not like they did, it was seanb randomly on a video xDD

[urban stirrup]

Because it was passed around as a official fact

[wise drift]

youre right, I saw a couple, and would get shot down immediately

[civic horizon]

It was passed around as an official fact because CC's sponsored by the game company were stating it.

[finite fiber]

its kinda hard to test it you cant see stat values inside the match can you?

[near flame]

They should have clarified this the first days of the beta

[dense zephyr]

it does not dmg their image, only for those who got no brain. Imagine a Stranger, who acts like he knows sht but doesnt, telling you something about a company and you get mad at the company for that not being true. Holy moly

[urban stirrup]

Yeah we also have no dmg meter

[tough halo]

it not only looks bad for the company but also all the ccs claiming just that. their communities will most likely lash back

[urban stirrup]

I mean the CCs who talked with developers and managers were stating it

[jade sinew]

the last 3 years of gachas have had some companies with pretty poor communication

[urban stirrup]

So it's not crazy at all

[urban trench]

if you want to feel angry at HH check its borgne guide

[jade sinew]

prob saw the money train and jumped on too quick

[urban trench]

it's not only ai generated it's also straight up wrong. It thinks his s3 is a passive

[steady creek]

Ai generated? O.o

[dense zephyr]

then get mad at CCs for misunderstanding lmao. They never ever said that dupes dont matter not even once.

[urban stirrup]

Also some shells or modules recommendations I found to be rather strange

[wise drift]

damn thats actually sad if youre right

[civic horizon]

HH also still recommends Hoyan as a beginner banner pick

[tough halo]

u underestimate word of mouth so much. rumors alone have the power to make the stock market change. making that analogy is dishonest.

[urban stirrup]

They never said otherwise as well, I'm not mad at the company tho I can understand who is

[finite fiber]

im in no way associated with hh but i did speak to one of the guys running it and he said they didnt change stuff from a while and stuff as in progress being changed based on last beta^

[winter kernel]

I don't think it was just ccs, seems like everyone was passing it around

[torn pagoda]

Guys, try to keep the post as clean as possible please.

[jade sinew]

comparing the stock market to content creators with like 10k followers or less is a wild jump lmao

[near flame]

Yeah i feel that coment is a bit much naive, narrative is huge nowdays and this was basically a huge narrative for the game

[dense zephyr]

Sry but they also didnt say you get every unit in the game for free day 1. Can ppl get mad now?

[wise drift]

I forgot jack is reading this shi fr

[urban stirrup]

What does this have anything to do with it?

[tough halo]

we were talking about the image of both ccs and the company itself. i dont see how this comparison is a wild jump.

[dense zephyr]

you want them to clearify a random thing before ppl misunderstand its the same thing other context

[near flame]

The coments of no dupes reach tectone streams, gacha smack etc... it was not only smaller youtubers

[steady creek]

Most of the time the company would just stop being partners with the cc if they spread misinformation though

[urban stirrup]

Official Ccs sponsored by the game said it and they did not disprove it....I don't think it's unreasonable to believe creators that are partners with the game

[jade sinew]

if it reaches tectone its already reached the window lickers of the world and theres no shutting it down

[urban stirrup]

Saying there was some sort of miscommunication between them that snowballed into this is a fact

[steady creek]

I mean you gotta give them a benefit of a doubt though. I dont think anyone in their company monitors ccs videos 24/7

[urban stirrup]

No fs, im not mad at all i just understand ppl that are

[near flame]

I do think they knew cause it was mentioned in a sponsored tectone stream

[jade sinew]

thats not the consumers fault tho, thats the company's fault

[steady creek]

Yea but imo its on them for being gulible towards influencers imo

[near flame]

you like him or not, it is the one with most reach

[winter kernel]

There could also be a language barrier or maybe some of the people vetting the videos also had misunderstood

[steady creek]

True

[civic horizon]

Streamers were bragging about devs joining their beta unions/interacting with streams, so they definitely were aware of CCs.

[steady creek]

Bragging or a fact?

[urban stirrup]

I mean they were officially sponsored tho, I don't find it crazy for people to believe it

[jade sinew]

Some of y'all holding these companies to way too low of a standard

[steady creek]

Yea i guess.

I just dont trust ccs 100% 😂 idk prob just me

I always do my research first

[near flame]

They knew but they choose to delay the clarification to not affect rebate money and in my good will I'll think they did not know how to handle or say it giving the excitement around it, it may have been scary to tackle.

[urban stirrup]

No i never do as well but this was passed around by everyone so not many people actually doubted it

[finite fiber]

ye affiliated streamers saying shit is one thing but letting cc say misinfo on something your paying them for is another

[main musk]

I think dupes should work everywhere (even AI arena and GvG) but NOT IN RTA!
That was a given for many of us. There is no reason to taint the most strategic and balanced mode of the game with a huge gift to whales.. especially after it has been promoted as F2P-friendly etc.

[frozen talon]

if we hold companies to high standard then we should also hold CC to high standards too. the fact is that they didnt even test if dupes actually worked in RTA and they just parrot off each other

[steady creek]

Thats true

[jade sinew]

ill give you the second part but its a bit disingenuous and unfair to say they did it for the purposes of money

[steady creek]

Dont they have test accounts too? That makes it even worse😭

[urban stirrup]

That would be best case scenario otherwise another good compromise would be to just remove/rework last node (that is actually a pretty big buff)

[near flame]

I was so sure about it giving EVERYONE was so sure about it that I even mentioned it a few times myself

[tough halo]

giving gacha companies the benefit of the doubt is something i would ever do or recommend doing though it is plausible it went under their radar. however having ur official partners spreading miss info or giving people the wrong idea is something that shouldnt happen.

[jade sinew]

heres whats funny...if the last node was 25% and they nerfed it to 10% folks would be like "wow, this is so much more reasonable im glad they listened"

[frozen talon]

yep, and if they had communication with devs, did they even try to ask the devs if dupes worked in RTA or not. its like they didnt even bother asking the devs cause they just assumed stuffs out of nowhere lmao

[urban stirrup]

Yeah it's not crazy, everyone was saying it

[drowsy oyster]

Yeah I mean I had time to watch multiple cc videos that had this info and it's not my job to watch them.

You are trying to tell me they weren't aware when they have people whose entire job is to interact with social media and CCs? I'm not buying that.

[steady creek]

Well their human behind all the companie stuff and humans make mistakes

[urban stirrup]

Yeah but that's because psychology works that way

[jade sinew]

no, i know its just funny they its not really about the percent, its about wanting to "win"

[main musk]

If confirmed, this is really bad news. Whales already have Union Wars and AI Arena where they can shine. No need to give them RTA as well!

[urban stirrup]

I kinda agree with you there

[near flame]

I just consider both man, I really hope it's not the case, the team seems passionate and loving for the game and at the end of the day they still need to make money and a good starting chart is important when you love your own game

[steady creek]

Language barrier, time differences. Other contect creators all over the world. Imo too many to sit through

[tough halo]

notice how not a single sponsored video ever mentioned dupes not working in pvp but other videos not being sponsored having that type of miss info. at best i think this is super sus.

[steady creek]

Uh... i think thats from people commenting on their streams

[urban stirrup]

Idk tbh, no one knows but for sure it's a bad look for the company for miscommunication

[jade sinew]

that should be their biggest takeaway...these games thrive with better communication

[steady creek]

They should set up a team that focuses on giving news... and communication

Their twitter is just 1 post about a character

[urban stirrup]

Very true

[steady creek]

Their customer support can only be accessed in game

[civic horizon]

That should already be there.. the marketing department. I was surprised at the lack of posts during the beta, which should have been a big marketing event.

[steady creek]

Its a bit weird imo

[urban trench]

how would you test it? rta doesn't display HP so unless you do two successive matches, one before activating the dupe and one after there is no sensible way to notice.

And to even do such an experiment people need to be suspricious that it doesn't work.

[near flame]

I saw a LOT of adds on instagram tho

[tough halo]

either way i think having dupes in pvp is a big L nontheless. it isnt beneficial for the customers dealing with it. it literally only rewards the company and big spenders. i can only see them being able to fix it by disabling dupes for pvp

[steady creek]

If i cant log in, i cant contact customer support😭

[urban stirrup]

Like on marvel rivals there was a similar issue about miscommunication for chrono shields that won't let you lose points on a loss and it was spreading around, the day after they addressed it

[civic horizon]

Problem solved on their end!

[compact ocean]

its very easy to test with the crit rate node specifically

[finite fiber]

at this point they let it get so out of hand they just need to take the fat L and stop dupes in rta, they will 100% lose more money in total from pissing off half the player base then they make short term from a few whales.

[urban stirrup]

That's the only easy way tho (without a dmg meter)

[compact ocean]

yea

I just dont rly think anyone thought much of it which is fine tbh

[finite fiber]

even if technically it wasn't there fault entirely

[urban trench]

if you have 92% crit you will still crit 92% of the time. You need to do around 10 matches to have 50/50 chance to spot it

[compact ocean]

I could never actually find a proper source behind the dupes being disabled

if you aoe on 4 units its a lot faster

[steady creek]

Compensation incoming? O.o

[compact ocean]

thats like 2-3 matches which you can reset after turn one

there was private lobbies unless im tripping so idk

[urban stirrup]

We should have experimented with the crit node much sooner tbf