ADS movement speed is way too slow.

[restive sage]

Bump, ads move speed could be increased

[worthy seal]

Bump

[worthy seal]

It should just be the base movement speed

Agreed, I’m complete ass at CQB irl and I can move with more agility in real life than I can in Geronimo

That will probably be fixed tho

[restive sage]

I would at least understand a bit of a decrease for balancing reasons

You cant just sprint around with perfect aim irl

But its way too much rn

[clever latch]

Definitely not a sprint. But the jog we get in game when the gun is low or high, in real life I can ring A-Zone steel targets at 50 yards while jogging at that pace with no problem.

[restive sage]

For sure

[worthy seal]

I wouldn’t

Inertia is one thing

But do you think when they killed Bin Laden the guys were like “hold on I gotta slow down when I’m aiming”

Fuck no

[restive sage]

Bro 😭

They also can't hold perfectly stable aim while running lmao

[worthy seal]

An untrained shooter could probably fully sprint and only be moderately less accurate

[worthy seal]

You also cant do that in vr

[restive sage]

Moving your character in vr doesn't disturb your aim in the same way that it would irl

[worthy seal]

I mean you’re going to be less accurate as a result of the lateral movement, but implementing a baked in weapon sway while moving is kinda

Not good

[worthy seal]

You don’t want sway

[restive sage]

No I dont

I just think a small movement debuff while ads is valid

Otherwise you could just sprint around hammering headshots lol

[worthy seal]

Which is entirely plausible

[clever latch]

You mean exactly like tier1 units do it IRL, lol.

[restive sage]

Tier 1 dudes can do that at closer distances

In vr, there is no weapon sway from movement, your dot just holds on target no matter the distance

You can sprint and hold on targets hundreds of meters away

Thats not realistic or balanced

[worthy seal]

I feel like this is a preferable alternative though

[restive sage]

It depends on what kind of game you're trying to build

[gusty coral]

bump

[dull whale]

do you guys even larp

[clever latch]

This game is about leveraging the principles of CQB. Surprise, Speed and violence of action. If we can only leverage two, we are missing out.

[queen fox]

I don't agree with this. Our local gunrange has some of the best shooters in the world at it, and has hosted many national IPSC and USPSA tournaments. I have watched the best in the world shoot a lot. No one can on a full sprint shoot a zones. Yes they can at a consistant gait that they have trained for. Shooting while moving it very diffitcult do to the swaying of the hips and the impact of your feet. Thats very very hard to duplicate in VR.

[restive sage]

Bingo

Its impossible to replicate the impact that your movement has on your aim in vr

[dull whale]

they could just make it very shakey if you shoot and run

[restive sage]

The closest we can get is forcing you to slow down a little when aiming

[clever latch]

I’m aware…I also compete.

[restive sage]

That's less preferable imo

[restive sage]

Then why the pushback?

This is a realistic milsim game lol

It should replicate real gunfighting

[clever latch]

Because it’s TOO slow. I was joking about the SPRINTING while shooting. But the jog should be the same no matter the weapon position.

[dull whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276918863975682079/1392912351094767746/attachment.gif

shuddup bro

[queen fox]

I do agree it is too slow for true pros. But if your sprinting it better shake like a MOFO or just not be an option.

[restive sage]

True

[clever latch]

Exactly! I would be fine if the sprint went to the jog when aiming. But As someone with a LE background, shooting competition and lots of shoot house work, I just want to be able to shoot and move at the pace I already know I can in real life.

[queen fox]

agreed. gonna take awhile for them to dial that in....still has the best gun play I have used in VR besides ACEXR

[clever latch]

LOVE ACE! I have 250,000 round shot in ACE. I was one of the first 100k coins.

[worthy seal]

Which harms CQB

The main stay of the game

Again, there’s a reason most CQB focused tactical shooters have done away with this mechanic

It is a call of duty mechanic

[queen fox]

so you saved a few bucks in ammo??

[clever latch]

lol! 100% saved a small fortune. Dry fire and ACE. Confirm at the range.

[restive sage]

If your cqb requires you to sprint while shooting with 0 weapon sway you may want to rethink your tactics lol

[worthy seal]

No you don’t understand what I’m getting at heee

We know that CQB is possible at this kind of speed

[restive sage]

https://klipy.com/gifs/patrick-star-minor-s

[worthy seal]

In game, it more or less isn’t

[queen fox]

I have been to busy lately and its hot as hell down here in FL, but I need to get back to it!

[worthy seal]

That’s a problem

[clever latch]

We’re neighbors. I’m in South Louisiana, lol!

[worthy seal]

All they need to do is make the sprinting either slower, or add a combat pace speed

[queen fox]

Volusia County gun and hunt club. Gorka Ibanez is the owner... so its pretty Hardcore. Also have Manny Bragg ( multiple nation IPSC champ) and many other heavy hitter that shoot there. They aren't human

[rigid flare]

Im interested in this topic

@clever latch Of the current speeds in game, walking, then using the thumbstick to reach the jog speed, and then the armswing max sprint, what percent of which value would you say is ideal for moving with sight picture? Rn you drop to walking speed.
I imagine something like still being able to use the thumbstick for like 50% jog bonus while aiming?

[clever latch]

Honestly the current thumb stick jog with sight picture would be perfect to me based off my IRL experience. But probably 75% of jog would be good. You can still use base level walking for “limited penetration” tactics. We just need more speed to complement dynamic clearing especially for hostage rescue where time is supposed to be of importance. but I would be happy just to have any more speed while aiming. The walk is just TOOOOO SLOWWW. I feel like I’m hanging out in the fatal funnel. Lol.

[rigid flare]

Good feedback! Will talk it over with the boys

[lethal cipher]

completely agree on this , and is it only me thats clumsy or do i always end up getting stuck on doorways and stuff even when i collapse my stock , im trying to j-hook or even cross and 50% chance that i fuck the momentum up or my body gets stuck on something

[clever latch]

It happened a few times, but it’s usually my own fault if it happens. For banging the gun on the threshold. lol

[lethal cipher]

alright then its probably the speed of the game like you said and my brain wired to 3 years of TAVR only lmaoo

[queen fox]

early TAVR used to hangup almost exactly like Geronimo is now, they loosened the gun physics a little too much IMO. But TAVR has really improved into a great game.

[keen wasp]

I agree, except arm swing is lame. Doing it like onward is the most intuitive IMHO. Variable speed depending on how far you push stick, but limited unless you drop weapon down, then you can go full sprint. Also you move way slower when crouched.

[keen wasp]

And cause people to vomit?

[dull whale]

i meant gun shaking

not camera shake

[fervent girder]

Game is awesome. They NEED to fix the car in the training range tho. You can’t shoot through the rear window. Also the mag palming glitch is so funny lmao

Oops wrong thread

[open seal]

girl the car is not that important 😭

[fervent girder]

I think invisible walls that you can’t shoot through when you clearly can see the enemy is pretty important 💅

[mossy kiln]

This is true

Onward had, and still has a bunch of invisible barriers and it makes the game frustrating when you should have killed an enemy but couldn't because of poor hitboxes

[carmine gust]

slowing down is a Call of duty mechanic?

[worthy seal]

Slowing down on ADS is uncommon for tactical shooters

Not saying it doesn’t exist

[carmine gust]

i mean i agree with the speed mechanic. But there's just certain limitations with VR.
You don't have the keybinds like you do on keyboard.

I def agree there should be a Jog/More dynamic pace maybe just a click of the right stick to switch between a base speed for deliberate or dynamic pace.

then hold for a jog/sprint

sum like that