3 days into breachers launch and it's quite clear of the saturation of kiddies destroying any chances of tactical competitive gameplay. Some are suggesting the ability to turn crossplay on and off but not all quest players are kiddies. I'm afraid for Geronimo already, I want to play it when it's released but I ain't buying it if it's full of children. Other than the ability to kick players pre-mission, how can the adults be assured of a competitive full adult team 🤔
#Children
short tiger
wooden vault
Don't worry just let the enemies kill the kids
Because the kids will spray and pray with a mk18 but get one tapped by a enemy
modest pawn
- There is no cross play 2. I don’t think any children would want to play this and if they do then just hope they are mature
wooden vault
It's the only gun they know
modest pawn
The only immature kid in the server
wooden vault
Out of 3k people
modest pawn
Who?
lofty goblet
No
modest pawn
Oh yea I forgot about him
lofty goblet
No.
jolly drift
This is not really feedback…
If you do not want to play with Quest players, then don’t. Play PCVR only
There’s really nothing we can do about the type of players on Quest
daring kraken
this is inevitable
lofty goblet
3 days into breachers launch and it's quite clear of the saturation of kiddies d...
They can’t.
lofty goblet
1. There is no cross play 2. I don’t think any children would want to play this ...
Onward
wooden vault
Tbh I'm confused how many kids play onward it's 30$
lofty goblet
Isn’t it 25?
amber pollen
Tbh I'm confused how many kids play onward it's 30$
Mom/dad’s credit card or Christmas after getting their fill of Jdub videos in onward
civic sage
Onward
Onward is not all to realistic and requires virtually no brainpower to play
They just slapped a fast ttk on there and called it a milsim
wooden vault
Mom/dad’s credit card or Christmas after getting their fill of Jdub videos in on...
Fair point
Same could be said for how they even got a quest 2
amber pollen
Yep
wooden vault
They just slapped a fast ttk on there and called it a milsim
Agreed, a milsim is not a game with fast ttk for example a mod for contractors called gunsmoke and charm most dudes die in 2-4 shots and move at mach 1 but the pmc mod for contractors you can be a bit tanky with armour but your super slow
lofty goblet
Onward is not all to realistic and requires virtually no brainpower to play
It’s not realistic because of how people play the pvp, so what is saying Geronimo Pve won’t meet the same fate?
civic sage
The core mechanics of onward aren’t realistic
Very fast movement speed, bad ai, very little depth to combat
lofty goblet
Bad ai has nothing to do with pvp, and I’m sure that little depth to combat is also based on how people play it.
civic sage
Bad ai has nothing to do with pvp, and I’m sure that little depth to combat is a...
Little depth to combat is due to there not being very many mechanics in onward
lofty goblet
Little depth to combat is due to there not being very many mechanics in onward
What mechanics are lacking in onward?
wooden vault
It’s not realistic because of how people play the pvp, so what is saying Geronim...
The game allows you to play pvp in a crackhead style and supports it
civic sage
Good nvgs, good attachments, doors and breaching, civilians, fast movement speed, etc.
Onward at its core has very little depth and isn’t very realistic
lofty goblet
The game allows you to play pvp in a crackhead style and supports it
Geronimo will probably support dual wielding pistols. Does this make Geronimo unrealistic?
wooden vault
Geronimo will probably support dual wielding pistols. Does this make Geronimo un...
No, its just a dumb tactic from player choice
daring kraken
No, its just a dumb tactic from player choice
and it isn't in Onward?
amber pollen
It’s not possible in onward
amber pollen
No it’s not
wooden vault
It's not?
amber pollen
It’s cause dual wielding is bullshit
wooden vault
True
lofty goblet
But it's for balancing reasons
No. It’s because it is unrealistic. Or it might be for balancing purposes idk
amber pollen
It’s not
lofty goblet
It’s cause dual wielding is bullshit
Not stopping me
wooden vault
Geronimo will probably support dual wielding pistols. Does this make Geronimo un...
Also Geronimo might not support dual weilding
lofty goblet
Also Geronimo might not support dual weilding
That’s dumb
wooden vault
But onward doesn't support it
lofty goblet
I know
wooden vault
What's stopping pebbles and stilton from removing dual weilding
amber pollen
That being a pointless non-feature
wooden vault
Also what's stopping the from keeping it
We don't know yet
past wolf
I really hope Geronimo never forces crossplay, even in the unlikely situation that the PCVR playerbase dwindles (at that point maybe just release an optional crossplay branch)
Kids love RP/milsim so the Quest version of this will have a lot of squeakers, guaranteed, even if they're so bad they can't get out of the starting area
brisk dome
I mean a lot of us were those kids
Or would have been if we had vr
I mean yeah I get it, it can get annoying but try to be understanding when you play with people. I agree with your idea of having an option but I kinda hate how kids are trashed for trying these types of games cause they don't know what they are doing, their voices are annoying like bro why don't you give them a hand. We were all at the age once( or are ) a lot of us were weird had those voices and we just wanted to have fun.
civic sage
The game is not made for children
It shouldn’t be our responsibility to deal with them
Also it’s not just their voices that are annoying, but there is also a lack of maturity
Now of course we all were like that at that age, but this game is not the place for them
brisk dome
I agree with your points. But we all know kids are going to get in, it's not like this game is gonna be so gorey that parents will learn about it. Idk I feel like people should take that stuff into consideration (to be fair I was thinking of more of the extreme end, when reading the guy I responded to which was pretty moderate)
civic sage
Yeah fair enough
past wolf
I mean yeah I get it, it can get annoying but try to be understanding when you p...
I don't want to ban kids from games or anything, I just want there to be ways to cultivate a mature community so that kids can join but if they behave like shit, they get the boot
There's lots of things developers can do to achieve this. I'm not too worried about Geronimo since it's not crossplay but if it was, they should add something like ToxMod.
lofty goblet
The best way to solve this is no respawns
past wolf
Getting rid of sandbox features too. If Onward, for example, didn't have Shooting Range, Free Roam and all those social modes, it wouldn't have such a kid problem.
If you're going to have a co-op shooting range, turn team damage off or add a lengthy respawn timer.
lofty goblet
I think a shooting range should still be added, I don’t know about free roam though, I’m also pretty sure no kid bought or asked for it on a holiday because of social gamemodes, free roam, or the shooting range
past wolf
In Onward, most kids play Shooting Range or Free Roam and then bleed into other modes from there.
If a game like Geronimo has a shooting range, I think it needs something to dissuade people from treating it like DM or an open ended sandbox.
modest pawn
Shooting range is already a thing
rapid grove
It's always been an issue in Onward but grouping up in Discord and joining always seemed to help weed out the bad squeakers.
frigid finch
Totally agree. Myself I have a higher pitch voice but unlike the younger children I am more mature with the game. I don't treat it like it's CoD. And nobody should, after all it's a tactical shooter where effort is needed from everyone in the fireteam.
lofty goblet
In Onward, most kids play Shooting Range or Free Roam and then bleed into other ...
I’d sandbox ish features weren’t there they would just be playing the core game modes
past wolf
I’d sandbox ish features weren’t there they would just be playing the core game ...
The kids don't really like the core game modes of these games because they don't have the patience for them. If it's only the core game modes, most would lose interest.
modest pawn
The kids don't really like the core game modes of these games because they don't...
He is a kid btw
past wolf
I'm thinking little children, like kids under the age of 13
lofty goblet
The kids don't really like the core game modes of these games because they don't...
Most kids that heard of and bought onward were interested in its slow paced realistic gameplay
lofty goblet
He is a kid btw
Fairy
past wolf
Most kids that heard of and bought onward were interested in its slow paced real...
I think most kids bought it because it was the first military shooter on the Store and Meta was pushing it hard
If Meta acquired Pavlov, they'd all be playing that
civic sage
I think most kids bought it because it was the first military shooter on the Sto...
Also joshdub
All of the squeakers seem to love him
past wolf
Yeah I remember hearing that a ton of kids showed up after Joshdub showed it and he was just goofing around in it
civic sage
I'm thinking little children, like kids under the age of 13
Yeah that’s American pie guy
civic sage
Yeah I remember hearing that a ton of kids showed up after Joshdub showed it and...
Yup
past wolf
That sums up how adults feel about playing games with squeakers
I notice more people defend kids on Discord because people are younger here
daring kraken
Rec room and gorilla tags are children's gamrd
I can understand about like Onward and shooters but cmon, gorilla tag?
modest pawn
I defend them bc yes I’m young but it also seems unfair to kids actually trying to have fun
past wolf
I'm not against kids being in games as I'd be here if I was a kid, I just think developers should implement features that limit toxicity and make it possible for adults to play with mature people
There's a lot of things you can do here, even just having an 18+ checkbox for lobbies so we have an excuse to immediately kick any squeaker that shows up
However I'm not too worried about Geronimo myself because it doesn't have crossplay
That type of thing is important for the Quest version though
I pity adults on the Quest
PCVR doesn't have that many kids
daring kraken
Private lobbies and clans
past wolf
That's not a solution
Not everyone is going to join a clan and play at scheduled times just to play a game, that's way too much friction. You should be able hop on and play with randoms without having to listen to screeching toddlers, it's not too much to ask.
I have dozens of pancake games I can fire up and play with mature players any time I want
daring kraken
It is a solution
past wolf
It's a cop out
junior plinth
Best option imo is something like how pokerstars does it where you can report people for being underaged, or you can remove people from games if they don’t communicate/play well, etc through voting. Or maybe there will be a host>member lobby system
tight ferry
No offense to him but I played with him and he has no kinda tactical thinking just pure brain dead
daring kraken
Ironic
daring kraken
It me I'm the second
wooden vault
Nah he said its cranky
But legotavi is the worst
According to everyone except legotavi
lofty goblet
No offense to him but I played with him and he has no kinda tactical thinking ju...
No
lofty goblet
When
lofty goblet
If Meta acquired Pavlov, they'd all be playing that
They are though
lofty goblet
Do you want to play tavr again sometime?
tight ferry
Your LEGO tavi right
lofty goblet
Yeah
tight ferry
At the moment I can’t play I’m studying
lofty goblet
Ok
civic sage
No offense to him but I played with him and he has no kinda tactical thinking ju...
This is the least surprising thing i have heard all day
Lmao
tight ferry
This is the least surprising thing i have heard all day
Hope this game isn’t filled with them kinda players either way they are gonna learn that the AI isn’t a joke to be entering rooms and running around brain dead
lofty goblet
Hope this game isn’t filled with them kinda players either way they are gonna le...
It is not like tavr ai is a joke but you still are able to have the edge if you just do things slowly
tight ferry
It is not like tavr ai is a joke but you still are able to have the edge if you ...
Geronimo AI can hide behind tables under beds and shit also laying on beds don’t compare TAVR AI to there’s TAVR they just sit in a room walk around every know and again scare you sometimes but it’s very simple compared to what Geronimo is coming out with
lofty goblet
Geronimo AI can hide behind tables under beds and shit also laying on beds don’t...
Can you send me the video this is from?
tight ferry
In TAVR you can’t open a door and find out there’s a guy behind the table
tight ferry
Can you send me the video this is from?
Just go read and watch
lofty goblet
Read and watch what?
tight ferry
Idk there’s totally no new announcements or videos out
modest pawn
The devs said ai can hide and shit also you can see the ai actively hiding in Geronimo 02
tight ferry
The devs said ai can hide and shit also you can see the ai actively hiding in Ge...
Thank you
lofty goblet
The devs said ai can hide and shit also you can see the ai actively hiding in Ge...
Ok thanks
obsidian heart
Read and watch what?
Bro have you NEVER watched Geronimo 01 and Geronimo 02 vids
obsidian heart
1. There is no cross play 2. I don’t think any children would want to play this ...
Exactly
wooden vault
1. There is no cross play 2. I don’t think any children would want to play this ...
Its 30$ and slow paced and requires no run and gun most gtag 8 year olds aren't gonna play this game. I expect this game to have less squeakers than contractors because of the content
pseudo flint
i thought this was a request to add literal children into the game
wooden vault
i thought this was a request to add literal children into the game
They would be fun to shoot tbh
lofty goblet
i thought this was a request to add literal children into the game
Honestly would have made more sense then whatever this is
lofty goblet
Its 30$ and slow paced and requires no run and gun most gtag 8 year olds aren't ...
You are wrong
Ok.
Does that make him right?
obsidian heart
FBI right though no kid fina try and learn CQB
lofty goblet
FBI right though no kid fina try and learn CQB
Wrong
wooden vault
Bet
wooden vault
Prove me wrong
Most children want to win in the things they do and having a upper hand in this scenario knowledge of proper cqb would help them achieve their goals but cqb is so hard to learn for them (they are too dumb to learn cqb) and from personal experience i was once in a TAVR milsim and this kid for the life of him couldn't learn cqb. If they can't achieve the side goal of better tactics they resort to run and gun being easy to comprehend wich is doable in tavr and knowing cqb or running and gunning is possible but in Geronimo it will not be possible driving children away from this game.
lofty goblet
Most children want to win in the things they do and having a upper hand in this ...
Impossible
You make a good point
This can’t be happening
vivid vale
This can’t be happening
Speaking from experience, if they have to resort to their “last ditch effort” to try to win but still fail. Then they either try to learn ( which is almost never ) or they turn off the game forever and forget about the trama lol.
atomic valley
3 days into breachers launch and it's quite clear of the saturation of kiddies d...
Tbh I was expecting this to be a thread about adding child soldiers-
wooden vault
It was just someone complaining
atomic valley
While I agree that children can be very annoying (especially when they have zero patience and aren’t willing to work with the team). There’s little the devs can actually do about it.
From what I understood from a conversation I had with Stilton and a few others, cross play if added would be enjoyed as a separate aspect than PC only. So you can choose if you wanna play with quest users or not. Otherwise the most you can do is ask people here on the discord if they are down for a game or if you have a game going, vote kick kids from the lobby.
Kids will be everywhere regardless of if they’re allowed to be or not. Just work with it. Geronimo WILL absolutely 100% be filled with kids. As long as lobbies can vote kick and PC can stay separate and what not I’m cool with it though.
wooden vault
I expect the content of the game to drive kids away too
daring kraken
We really having this conversation again huh
atomic valley
I expect the content of the game to drive kids away too
I doubt it will but it shouldn’t matter at the end of the day as long as alternatives exist.
wooden vault
Yes
pseudo flint
add chicken
wooden vault
Add se-