Inspecting mag shows ammo count.

[blazing jasper]

Seen this feature used in a handfull of contractors mods and it was creative.

[amber plank]

It’s already been suggested awhile back, however I believe a realistic system was never decided upon so good to bring it up again

[blazing jasper]

What?!? I seriously thought i was being smart and was the first to suggest this 😦

[blazing jasper]

Could you link me to it

[split pebble]

I feel like this is already implemented this is just a wild guess tho

[blazing jasper]

I highly doubt it, contractors was the only vr shooter to implement it

[split pebble]

Onward?

[blazing jasper]

No there is no counter for when you look into the mag

[split pebble]

Oh sorry I didn’t understand you

[blazing jasper]

there is no ammo counter either

[split pebble]

I thought you meant when you look in the mag you can look inside the mag to see how much bullets you have

[blazing jasper]

that would be cool

but onward actually doesnt display all the bullets i tested, only shows about 4 then theres nothing

[split pebble]

Yea true

[blazing jasper]

even at full mag

I hope a lot of these suggestions wont be limited because of optimization

Because lets be honest who has a gtx 1060

[void violet]

Which is accurate to IRL

In real magazines unless they’re windowed or have witness holes you can’t see shit

[lavish knot]

i hope that they show all of the bullets in the mag that also accurately show how many is left in the mag instead of like 6-4 in most onward guns

[blazing jasper]

I meant when putting it through your face 4 bullets show and then theres just an empty nothingness, so theres like only 4 bullets

[void violet]

Again, showing the top 4 rounds is accurate to real life

Most times you can’t even see past the third round

[lavish knot]

true but the onward mags have space for showing all of the bullets but still dont

many times i cant tell how many rounds i have left when using the mk16

[void violet]

And it’s still accurate to real life

[blazing jasper]

Stick finger in mag and all them pop out

[void violet]

Do you want realism or convenience

[lavish knot]

i think 4 bullets floating at the top of the mag isnt really accurate

[blazing jasper]

🤣

[void violet]

Only being able to see the top >4 is accurate to real life

[blazing jasper]

cough cough sideview mags cough cough

[void violet]

Let me grab a photo. I had a discussion about this with a dev in the GoT server

[lavish knot]

yea what im saying is that you can see past the top 4 in most of the mags but you can see that its empty underneath

[lavish knot]

if they have to make it so you cant see past the top but since you can i feel that they should include all of the round to so you can accurately so how many are left since there is room to look (in the game)

[void violet]

“do you all own guns at all? you want us to be as realistic as possible and you want to look down the top of a mag to check rounds? come on guys. mp5 9mm mag full.”

That is what was sent. Talk about realism

[blazing jasper]

Those are some fat shells

[lavish knot]

or some small hands

[void violet]

All about perspective, it’s just 9mm

[blazing jasper]

lmfaooo

Small ass hands

[split pebble]

Nobody has been listening to spoon in this convo

[void violet]

I feel ignored😢

[split pebble]

Spoon said this

[split pebble]

And then sonar says this

[blazing jasper]

I was referring to windowed mags i forgot the name and said sideview

its what my uncle calls em

[amber plank]

It was before when the game suggestions post area was just a channel

So don’t think I can

[twilit sparrow]

No ammo counter

[blazing jasper]

But can you feel the weight

[split pebble]

I don’t think that’s reliable to tell how much bullets are in the mag

[blazing jasper]

It is impossible for a magazine loaded with 30 rounds to weigh the same as one loaded with only 5

[split pebble]

True but still unreliable

[blazing jasper]

The exact number of bullets should not necessarily be shown, rather it is to bring that feeling to something graphic

For example is Ready Or Not or squad

o insurgency sandstorm

[split pebble]

I don’t think im understanding to what you are responding to

[blazing jasper]

i talked about how the system of displaying the remaining ammunition in a magazine could be implemented

[split pebble]

So are you responding to me or him because you replied to me and then started talking about something else

[blazing jasper]

something google translate not work

[blazing jasper]

. _.

I don't know if the translator didn't help me or you're very sleepy but I was answering it to someone else when you answered me

so...

[split pebble]

Maybe both 🤷🏽‍♂️

[blazing jasper]

Ok, I go back to what I said

[split pebble]

👍

[blazing jasper]

A magazine has a different weight than fully loaded and having a few rounds left. This feeling of inaccurate knowledge of the loader can be implemented in two ways.

Color system: White (full), yellow (semi-full), red (Almost empty) black or gray (Empty).

Percentage system: An approximate of the content of a magazine would be shown according to a target that will be drained by a predetermined amount of bullets

[twilit sparrow]

Nah

[blazing jasper]

It is something that, after all, is functional and does not break with immersion

It would be reckless to have a magazine that is about to run out when entering a new room.

[twilit sparrow]

Not realistic

[blazing jasper]

¿?

[split pebble]

español?

[blazing jasper]

im not gonna speak spanish here

[split pebble]

Ok

[blazing jasper]

That doesn't tell me anything. Are you a veteran with combat experience or some kind of experienced shooter to know that it's unreal?

[twilit sparrow]

Yup

[blazing jasper]

I have nothing more to say, you are the expert here

[twilit sparrow]

Mags don't weigh enough to be able to tell close to how many rounds are loaded, especially in a high-tensity combat situation.

[plush mauve]

I think like tarkov you have to just count your shots

[twilit sparrow]

Of course a full mag weighs differently than an almost empty one, but to be able to get a good round count estimate is on the side of unreal

[twilit sparrow]

Was going to say this. Slightly different circumstances but I know the cops at my pd need to count every individual round they shoot in an.. altercation (for paperwork purposes, but still relevant)

[blazing jasper]

"A magazine has a different weight than fully loaded and having a few rounds left. This feeling of inaccurate knowledge of the loader can be implemented in two ways."

[twilit sparrow]

Ok so if theres only a couple rounds left then you just look at the mag lol

[plush mauve]

I do the same on Pavlov and Breachers

[twilit sparrow]

like look at the rounds left

Theres a reason pmags with side windows exist

[plush mauve]

When a mag gets closer to empty it will sound different too. I think thats a better indicator

[twilit sparrow]

yup

[blazing jasper]

¿?

[twilit sparrow]

bad angle and lighting. I can see that theres at least 4 rounds loaded

[blazing jasper]

i can barely see the third round

[twilit sparrow]

your problem not mine

[blazing jasper]

lol

[blazing jasper]

maybe

[blazing jasper]

So we have two weapons experts, one says that you can barely see the first 3 bullets in an ordinary magazine, another says that you can see more than 4, who is right?

[twilit sparrow]

At what point did me and Herbi disagree

you're looking at the same pictures I am here above

heres the trick

[plush mauve]

If they want to add the counter maybe make it as an option?

[twilit sparrow]

they are going realism heavy, so I doubt they will go that route

[blazing jasper]

It is always optional to see the counter of your charger, you must first take it out and see it

[twilit sparrow]

count the rounds by looking through the gaps between the tips of the bullets

[plush mauve]

I mean Im down for realism tbh, aren't enough games with it

[twilit sparrow]

I agree, thats why im here making the point

[blazing jasper]

it's a game

[twilit sparrow]

you've just forfeighted your argument, goodbye

[blazing jasper]

There must be a balance between realism and fun.

[blazing jasper]

lol

[plush mauve]

But the game is being marketed as Mil-sim

[blazing jasper]

Have you noticed that most games have not been able to portray reality?

the ideal is to have a balance

[plush mauve]

wym? Have you seen Arma?

Ready or not?

[blazing jasper]

978 hours in arma 3 and 400 hours in RoN

They do not resemble reality

because they are games

[plush mauve]

I'd say the gun play in those is pretty realistic. No game will every portray reality. Like you said they're games. But this game is being marketed as Mil-Sim so the idea is as close to reality as possible

[blazing jasper]

The biggest difference between reality and a game is death.

While death in a game is an obstacle, in real life death means the end.

[plush mauve]

Okay but we're not talking about that, we're talking about an ammo counter. Hence why this is a simulation?

[twilit sparrow]

Thats silly

In game, death means you can't play anymore. The end.

This isn't a game where you're going to just be able to respawn

[blazing jasper]

the problem is not the simulation, it is that I have seen many argue that the game is "Mil-Sim" when it is also a game

[blazing jasper]

then you start another game or restart, as in ready or not

[twilit sparrow]

:|

[blazing jasper]

we should somehow understand that even if the game wants to resemble reality, it should also have mechanics that are fun to play.

[twilit sparrow]

Too bad :(

[blazing jasper]

a balance should be found.

I say this because seeing an approximate amount of the magazine is also a design decision in tactical games and it is not for a selfish reason

[twilit sparrow]

Realism = Selfish

[blazing jasper]

you yourself gave the example of two games that have systems to check ammo

[blazing jasper]

ok expert

you are absolutely right, let me give you your crown of expert and please forgive my ignorance

I will not give my opinion again to give ideas of game designs and I will totally appeal to the design of real life

im so sorry

[twilit sparrow]

its ok

[twilit sparrow]

Yeah VR games have a way to check your ammo, you take the mag out and count how many rounds there are by the gaps inbetween the tips of the bullets

[blazing jasper]

yes expert, as in real life

[twilit sparrow]

yup

[blazing jasper]

lol, If they are all veteran experts and they are all right, then who among them is right?

Sure, you couldn't answer that, you're a weapons expert, not one in society.

[twilit sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-sob-no-way-more-tissue-gif-15127946

[quasi crater]

The magazines show the actual bullets, if you have a semi-transparent mag you can kind of tell how much ammo you have left but no counters, absolutely no counters

[manic flame]

NO counters

[twilit sparrow]

Thanks buds

[lucid tangle]

I hope the number of bullets in a mag affects the simulated weight

holding a magazine with more bullets should have more hand lag than a magazine with less

[quasi crater]

That's a cool detail, I like that. Great suggestion, Yuo!

[quick tartan]

floating counter is not realistic I at least hope bullets left are actually simulated inside mag

[quasi crater]

They are, I just said that 🙂

[neat rock]

Some mags do have features to tell the user how many bullets are in their mag like the ak12 mag has that feature

[neat rock]

9mm and 556x45 are very different calibers and have different machines the only reason you can see more for the 556 mag is because the tip is slimmer therefore being able to see more cartridges.

[void violet]

And how would you go about implementing weight that you could only feel

[manic flame]

there are many ways

[blazing jasper]

Thanks. No counters seem fine. So there will be windowed mags?

[void violet]

I feel that windowed Pmags, witness holes, or mag cutouts are the best way to go about things

[blazing jasper]

Factual

Except they dont fully show all the bullets 😔

[void violet]

That’s ok

[amber plank]

i mean its something from the internet so it must be real

[manic flame]

definitly

[blazing jasper]

I was thinking about something like this, but I don't really know how it could be implemented

[cyan storm]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this or not, but like in Ground Branch, the way they do it is they show a symbol that shows an approximation, like a quarter, half, three quarters, or full, and the way they justify it is that you're feeling the weight of the magazine. Honestly most people when mag checking won't stand there and stare into the abyss of their mag to try to count the rounds, they either just quickly feel the weight if it's heavy they know it's mostly full, or if it's very light they might look at the top to see if they're down to one, two, or three, but between that it's all estimation. Windowed mags would be a cool feature since it's VR so it's cool Pebbles confirmed there will be windowed mags. Not a fan of translucent mags personally, the concept is fine, but so many of them are not durable or reliable.

[plush mauve]

I still prefer just counting my shots

[void violet]

You can 100% still do that

[limpid idol]

Yeah. Because then you can have the markings on each level of how many bullets there are, and can see where the bullets are in relation to the markers through the window

[karmic fossil]

Maybe you can put your thumb in it to press it down? So you can see how far down/how many you have left?

[amber plank]

Actually that would be a good idea but it would be kinda janky

Tbh I would just use windowed mags

[karmic fossil]

Yeah true, though prolly PMAG then for HK’s since I don’t think they standardize windowed mags for those