the-tavern

[viscid holly]

until its over... which is just ugh gross

boring

[honest garnet]

Lmao yea 2k In the dungeon is soooooo fun

[viscid holly]

snooze fest

[trim pumice]

Yeah… it’s almost like…. Arenas is more fun… and what most people play ???

So deleting it = bad for playerbase??

[viscid holly]

anyone who has played the game pre arena, pre gem socketing will know what im talking about

those times > now every day of the week without question

[trim pumice]

That would be me

People were asscheeks back then ofc it was fun

[viscid holly]

dungeon actually used to be poppin

[hollow vector]

I did. I played the game from second playtests. You are just talking crazy.

[honest garnet]

Also me

[trim pumice]

It still is

Dungeon is always poppin

I have ran 10 artis this wipe

[viscid holly]

then your just one of those players i referenced above where you have never has success in the dungeon so this is a good safe haven for you... but thats not helping you in any way your still just as terrible in the dungeon because you don't play the actual game you play sandbox 3v3's

but hey! you got your clean sandbox 3v3's tho!

[trim pumice]

I have 15 dbs with no rmt. I have a lot of success in dungeon.

You must just be in dead areas on the map

Bro goes to graveyard in hr like its norms

[hollow vector]

Man. You don't have a conversation. You just want to monologue. You missed when I said I don't even play arena at all.

[viscid holly]

my 2 arena experiences this wipe was

building a super expensive kit playing not even enough games to get placement, getting too bored to keep doing it, run my arena kit in the dungeon instead

i went 10-0 on warlock too i was just soo bored out of my mind i couldn't keep doing it

how does anyone find that fun LOL

[hollow vector]

Oh... Wow. So you didn't climbed any ranks to play with better opponents and then you whine you are bored and it's too easy? Amazing.

[viscid holly]

its a extremely class, and stack dependant mode

wizard is better class in general but not in solos its infinitely harder then warlock

so if i don't have a pre made 3 stack every time i wanna play the game, playing wizard is kinda grief.

so in order for the game to be fun im REQUIRED to have a 3 stack on standby which already kills the game

yawn town

you can be bad at the game

but if you simply 3 stack with a meta comp your like 3k

[trim pumice]

Not true I am 2100 on wiz and only soloqueue

Ur just not as good as you think

[viscid holly]

2100 is low elo no?

isn't 2400 the final reward for mmr

2.8 to 3k is when u finally start playing against decent players

[trim pumice]

Wizard isn’t even my highest lol you just said you can’t play wizard

[viscid holly]

im not making it to 3k on wiz for sure nah

2.1k probably but everyone is bad there

thats not really a flex thats like hey im gold 3

like ok? thats very ez to obtain

thats legit just a play time mmr

[trim pumice]

Take a screenshot of the global leaderboard and show me

[viscid holly]

i haven't looked at it but iirc

i saw a clip of some streamer that hit ranked 1 at 3.8k

so if 3.8k is peak 2.1 is roughly gold if we compare to other games

maybe plat

[trim pumice]

3k is top 500 in the world

[median beacon]

Can’t compare the top ranks

[viscid holly]

top 500 out of a 6,000 player base isn't like insane btw.

[trim pumice]

And 2100 on a class that I only solo queue on that YOU said is “kinda grief”

= plat?

[median beacon]

Arena is full of bots no matter where you go

[trim pumice]

😂😂😂

[sage wyvern]

is this game still shit?

[viscid holly]

were not talking top 500 out of you know.... 400,000 potential players then top 500 might actually be very impressive we are talking about not even a full stadium of people your top 500 in

your not that insane... just saying even if you are 3k

[trim pumice]

Ok so he’s just ragebaiting got it

This guy is a no name probably gets d’d down in the arena and in dungeon

[viscid holly]

if you have played anything competitive in tournaments

in a real game with mass population, overwatch, fortnite, cs, legit anything

you will FEEL the difference LOL

this game is dead in comparison

theres no competition here

[trim pumice]

I am 5x ex pred, algs qualifier in apex, global elite in cs (27k in cs2 premier), iri in cod, played Fortnite in 2017 and was winning cups.

[viscid holly]

theres also so many things you don't have to deal with in arena that you would be forced to deal with in a real dungeon game

3rd parties, running through uncleared rooms to escape, having to deal with a room full of mobs to reset etc etc. understanding good pathing on the map

[trim pumice]

You have 9k hrs in dota 😭 and 2k in l4d2 trynna tell me about competitive play

[sage wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-gif-13830796357919269972

[trim pumice]

This guy is a pve’r

[viscid holly]

yea so imagine if fortnite which i also qualed and won some in. made a game mode for noobs 2v2's only you spawn in with a static load out LOL a lot of noobs will flock to that game mode... does it mean its healthy for the game or helps you improve in any way, nah not really.

[trim pumice]

I’m also in the marines btw so all that while being govn’ment property

[viscid holly]

when you get into a REAL BR 100 man tournament game you'll lack rotation knowledge, positioning, game understanding in general, how to loot etc etc.

[trim pumice]

Bro discovered creative mode

[viscid holly]

you just gimp yourself by playing the baby ez mode

[strange heart]

after 5.3k hrs idgaf about the dungeon after ssf. constant 3rd parties are not fun. gearing up is not fun. door and doorer is not fun. boss griefing is not fun. you know where you dont have to deal with any of that? arena

[trim pumice]

Fortnite literally has that.

[sage wyvern]

der i eat crayons der

[viscid holly]

yea you also don't get any of the good parts of the dungeon either like being the last team alive, slurping all the good stuff, being rich, killing 9 people in a 3v3 into 3rd party into 3rd party but you won etc etc.

you just have your clean little sandbox 3v3 with legit normal mobs so even the mobs have no threat LOL its for vegetables

no hate on the physically impared

just saying lol.... its for the incapable not the fully capable

just because you CAN use crutches and a electric chair to move around doesn't mean you should.

[drifting scaffold]

kind of agree lol losing some dungeon sauce with arena

[viscid holly]

im sayin if the dungeon was always poppin the game would be more popular

again before arena or gem socketing was added to the game we were 20-30k concurrent players. so saying a "dungeon only" version of the game will kill the game is just silly.... we had the most players BY FAR when skull keys, and golden key's were money weights

and it was ONLY the dungeon experience

[drifting scaffold]

ok u lost me u got no clue what keeps players

[slate ether]

yo whoever updated the troll to reset while im mid fight with him you're the best person ever and you have a wonderful game and you should keep your job i hope youre well

fix your bugs ffs

[viscid holly]

its the same idea as tarkov bro the dungeon experience might have some really low moments. but the highs are HIGH BRO. you look at arena whats the high in arena oh woooo i won my 3v3 wow +10 mmr cool whatever man. whats the low awww lost this one -10 whatever next game. its so boring and mundane

in the actual dungeon sure the game can be tilting but sometimes.... you just have that run that makes you play another 200+ hours bcuz your chasing THAT run again

where you just slaughtered the whole lobby and got turbo rich

literally cant even HOLD all this goop where is my backpacks?

i stand my ground remove arena, remove gem socketing, add backpacks

the game would be so insanely good LOL

[trim pumice]

Arenas is NOT what killed the game 😭 did you just quit while sdf was head dev?

[viscid holly]

nah i quit after hotfix 69 and came back this wipe

[slate ether]

sdf murdered the game

[viscid holly]

ive played most of this wipe but i havent played in like a week or 2

[little kayak]

sdf quit like 4 patches ago

[viscid holly]

maybe longer tbh

[little kayak]

it's all paul now

[median beacon]

Arena is overall probably a net negative but it just needs tweaking it shouldn’t be removed

[slate ether]

i quit ages just coming back now

[trim pumice]

Yeah and paul is goated

[torpid vigil]

I've got artifacts but I'm gonna be too broke to run bis jewelry alongside them in arena 😭😭

[little kayak]

he gutted my cleric 🙁

[trim pumice]

How ??

[slate ether]

was u playing when he made common to unique all do the same

[median beacon]

Gutting everything but ranged classes and fighter

[trim pumice]

I run bonk cleric and I am clapping

[little kayak]

aids

[trim pumice]

Bonk ale clarky

[viscid holly]

there is no tweaking you can do to arena to make it good besides add something illegal they can't add, betting. if you could pre bet on the match i won't lie arena could get interesting.

[little kayak]

healing cleric..

[shell robin]

bruh gem socketting makes gear less trash how you gonnna come from minecraft and not know the value of good gear

[viscid holly]

because gem socketing DESTORYS the market value of everything

[slate ether]

it was

[trim pumice]

💀 bruzz just into gambling

Go play blackjack

Like a real man

[viscid holly]

i mean if theres something to win or lose in arena id take it more serious like i do the dungeon

[little kayak]

@neon lynx Why nerf healing cleric man 🙁

[median beacon]

so change nothing but add gambling. You know that would make arena worse right? Reinforce meta comps? I suppose gambling does need to be inserted into every conceivable angle of my life tho as it currently is

[viscid holly]

my vote is to remove it completely but if i were to stay thats the only way id see it being kinda fun

[drifting scaffold]

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[viscid holly]

i would rather have it completely removed then betting added to it tbh

[median beacon]

It can stay just need to change the loot requirements for it. Shouldn’t be able to just buy gear on the market and use it

All the sudden we have 800k purple kits…

What are we doing

[shell robin]

okay i'd rather gear be cheaper than it be so expensive all the time why spend so much when i can just slap what i need on even as a player who enjoys the market

[viscid holly]

understand before gem socketing you could be terrible at the game but still get filthy rich. if you just loot the modules on the outskirts pick up gear and get some lucky 3-4lined natural rolls. those are like 10k potentially up to like 40k a gear piece thats INSANE for players who are not actually good enough to go middle map to places like bridge and fight it out

you can argue that its easier to make money now then back then which i kinda agree with to an extent

[trim pumice]

Ahhh so ur ass

Coulda just said that man

[viscid holly]

im the guy on bridge every game btw.

[drifting scaffold]

gemmed gear still only rolls part of what natural gear does

[viscid holly]

but to my friends who i wanna get to play the game but refuse because its too convoluted i pray they make changes like this for them.

[trim pumice]

Bro said it’s a good thing that u could be ass and still get filthy rich 💀

[shell robin]

wrong argument to make to me i sell potions and lockpick i'm plenty rich just be patient

[oblique hemlock]

Plus the market moved to quest items over gear I like that much more, instead of relying on rng rolls I can go farm grave essence, flowers, etc and make money

[drifting scaffold]

this was one of the best changes this wipe yes 100% agree

[shell robin]

YEEESSS

[trim pumice]

So the guy that is ass. Got it.

[viscid holly]

what you make in 3 days i can make in 5 minutes if i pick up a padded tunic for +3 vig +2 dex +2 phys power if gem socketing isn't a thing in the market. thats like 40k

[trim pumice]

See u play hr like norms and then cry about how boring it is

[drifting scaffold]

still should be tweaked but giving a bunch of useless items value has helped

[trim pumice]

Go do boss or go fight ppl doing boss

[viscid holly]

are you lost?

[trim pumice]

You’ll find many many more players

Bro sits on bridge

[drifting scaffold]

Bro that item is only worth a lot because of scarcity that’s not a good thing.

makes gear disparity way too high and makes the devs nerf gear which sucks

[shell robin]

bruh are you rmting you don't need to make that much gold unless you sellin

[median beacon]

Gem socketing makes the game more accessible. You are tripping nutsack if you think you are finding triple on roll purple gear often

[viscid holly]

im saying if gem socketing wasn't even in the game at all, a gear piece like that would be worth like 40k. but in the current version of the game with gem socketing. its only high rolled vig. so its not even super expensive its like 5k

[trim pumice]

Exactly 💀

[trim pumice]

And that’s a good thing? 💀

[drifting scaffold]

yes dog I’m saying without gemming that gear is only worth a lot because of scarcity

[median beacon]

Saying this like it’s bad it’s a good thing

[oblique hemlock]

Plus sockets don’t compete with natural high roll so it’s still balanced in my opinion

[trim pumice]

What?

[median beacon]

Not abt u about Steve

[trim pumice]

Exactly. Bro thinks 3/2/2 should be 40k 💀 no

[viscid holly]

good people shouldn't be in 3/4 line everything every single raid you think this helps new players it doesn't. new players are trying to understand the difference between vigor and strength they don't know how to properly form a kit and hit benchmarks on stats like 150 hp/40 magic power bonus with 80 cast speed. this isn't even in their vocabulary yet they still need to kill mobs without dying

[trim pumice]

Find a 3/3/3. THAT is bis. That’s worth 40k. That’s as it should be.

[drifting scaffold]

3/3/3 on the other hand

exactly

[viscid holly]

im one of players that can easily gear up in full bis every raid and i think its fkn busted af and should be removed

its tooo broken for me vs anyone trying to join the game

[drifting scaffold]

you’re conflating too many things atp. ur all over the board talking about new players and bis range and value

[trim pumice]

Show me a full bis kit rn. Post it in a chat and link it here.

[viscid holly]

the fact that i can stream line my gear to be exactly what i want is so busted because i have game knowledge and understanding of the game vs a brand new clueless player

[trim pumice]

I will wait

[oblique hemlock]

I like it because I used to have major gear fear now I know I can make my own good gear often, it won’t compete with natural bis but it makes the game more enjoyable for me

[trim pumice]

I wanna see rolls on every piece

[median beacon]

That’s a different story. But at the end of the day I have several thousand hours a new player is gonna have a hard time winning no matter what they gotta practice

[drifting scaffold]

But it’s not exactly what you want because gemming doesn’t give perfect gear

[median beacon]

Which is very doable if they like the game

[viscid holly]

are you really thinking about the whole thing practically tho?

[trim pumice]

And where can they practice 🤔where they won’t lose their loot … hmmmm

[drifting scaffold]

yes, but what do you mean by practical?

[median beacon]

Experienced players are going to have good gear no matter what

[trim pumice]

You ignored me. Slap on a full bis kit right now and post it.

[median beacon]

Gemming allows newer players to remove some of that competitive advantage at a low cost

[trim pumice]

You said you get bis so easy and only run bis

I wanna see ONE full bis kit off you

[viscid holly]

first of all getting the gem's required to finish my gear implies that im not only getting into key rooms and hitting piles frequently but i also have the gold to just buy them off market. so assuming im good enough to either farm them naturally or just straight up buy them i will always have a stat advantage over you which again as a new player you don't really comprehend stats at a level i do

[trim pumice]

See how he keeps ignoring it

[viscid holly]

this is already a mountainous task for a noob

[drifting scaffold]

very true. an experience player will pick up a sub-optimal max roll knowing it will have an impact vs a new player ignoring it even if it has good value

[trim pumice]

We’re unveiling his real cope here

He is ass and coping

[viscid holly]

go google a legendary wizard kit im not logging on to buy one idc

[trim pumice]

Exactly

You don’t got full bis

Ur buns kid

[viscid holly]

why can't i clown emoji this guy?

[bleak coyote]

sdf

[viscid holly]

thats crazy clown emoji is banned

[oblique hemlock]

Plus the people gemming almost always go and learn stat scaling/caps on their own. So having access to gemming is more helpful in learning the game than new players coming in having to spend a more gold than needed to kit up

[median beacon]

Also just feel like at this point if they don’t even know what stats do then yeah they’re gonna get rocked in pvp I really don’t think it takes that long to figure out vaguely what stats do and what’s good to build in certain situations

[shell robin]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[viscid holly]

you would be right true. but then your asking a new player after they make money to open up a text book and get to reading about each individual stats, their break points, soft caps, which stats matter more then others depending on class etc etc.

you would just learn this naturally over time playing the dungeon

but the fact that EVERYONE you play against is fully gem'ed up

[oblique hemlock]

I learned from a 12 minute YouTube video

[viscid holly]

you are FORCED to sit there and read the text book

before playing otherwise your cooked

where as in a world without gem socketing

having full 3-4lined bis gear would be such a massive ask most people could not gear to that level

most people wouldn't be running around in bis because its actually really difficult to aquire

[trim pumice]

Why would that be healthy 💀

Who would want to even run gear atp?

[viscid holly]

having a fighting chance as a noob in the dungeon is healthy for the agme

if its just me and you and people like us fighting eventually we will lose players and bleed to death

[trim pumice]

It would be one ultra geared person and a hundred rats and then nobody would run anything bc ur killing squires and blues

[viscid holly]

but if new people actually download the game and have a fighting chance we might just... GROW

oh no way something we haven't done in legit 2 years

[trim pumice]

That’s why norms and squire to riches is a thing

If ur buns go play those

Stop complaining ur cortisol is spiking

[viscid holly]

i don't think ive played norms outside of like the first day or two i played this wipe

[oblique hemlock]

Also any competitive game is going to have you reading a lot, whether it’s for the meta or patch notes. Gemming gives noobs a huge advantage because they aren’t the best at making money. So if they know all they need to do is save certain gem rarities and random blues to make their own kit it’s much more appealing and achievable than relying on RNG to give them something

[viscid holly]

only HR this wipe for me, since they removed 124s/224s i feel like no one even plays norms pvp anymore

[oblique hemlock]

I only play HR for pathfinder but I’m a Norms goblin for sure

[viscid holly]

how u not demigod

demigod is free its just playtime

im demi on all my chars

gotta get that bandi skin

[oblique hemlock]

I just don’t ever go into HR, the community in norms is hilarious often new and there are some encounters you just don’t believe happened

Like a chicken blaring a radio on bridge having a dance battle with Faustian wolf

[trim pumice]

You might be the issue twin

It’s neckbeards like u with no job no responsibilities that kill games by complaining. Loud ass minority.

You don’t even have dark and darker on steam

[oblique hemlock]

Plus I saved a man from cockatrice yesterday him and his buddy were new and they didn’t try to jump me after. The world is healing

[trim pumice]

He doesn’t even have dark and darker 💀

[viscid holly]

why would i add it to my steam

black smith works fine for me

[oblique hemlock]

I also dont have it on steam

[viscid holly]

for 1.5k hours

[trim pumice]

Ahh I see

[oblique hemlock]

I’m at 1.3k I just didn’t see the reason to swap

[viscid holly]

i think ive only put like maybe 100 hours in this wipe

i had 1.3 to 1.4k before this wipe

[trim pumice]

Idk man ur definitely the problem

[viscid holly]

so i haven't even played a ton

[trim pumice]

90% of ur steam reviews are negative and it’s all games u have over 3k hrs in 💀

U are literally what is wrong w gaming

[viscid holly]

because those games are bad

but they used to be insanely good

[oblique hemlock]

My issue is I hated gemming because I just didn’t want to do it then I finally decided to start trying it and it got me hooked

Full resource chicken in norms dropping 90 on a peck was peak gaming for me

[viscid holly]

honestly apex would be a really fire game right now if they just didn't rework the hemlock

making the hemlock the r301 with double damage is.... certainly quesitonable

and not fun

[oblique hemlock]

I played in the ALGS and the hemlock was my baby this was back in 2021

[viscid holly]

its automatic now not burst fire

[oblique hemlock]

I’m glad I quit

[viscid holly]

and it does like 23 dmg a shot r301 does 13 and its just as accurate

[trim pumice]

Bros just an unemployed manbaby

It’s ok bro

[oblique hemlock]

He’s chill

[viscid holly]

im dying in legit 8 bullets or less like damn thats tuff

[oblique hemlock]

Dude had an opinion it’s not the end of the world

[viscid holly]

im not tryina play call of duty on apex fr

just ignore that guy bro, having an opinion is far too much mental stimulation for him

i might have ruined his whole month with my thoughts

[static zodiac]

What’s up guys

[viscid holly]

i think the best part about apex being bad right now is the dev's are too afraid to make ranked difficult because they are scared everyone will quit the game. due to the pitty ranked system in place right now. everyone will likely drop 2-3 full divisions and rage quit the game if they added a real ranked mode

[static zodiac]

Can’t believe we missed Tf3 for this shit

[viscid holly]

we were never getting TF3... imagine tho that game would be so good

oh titan fall 3

right right... yea kinda sucks

[oblique hemlock]

I thought the same about team fortress

[viscid holly]

yea i thought it was team fortress XD

[static zodiac]

Both would be cool

[oblique hemlock]

And then remembered titan fall was a game as well

[viscid holly]

team fortress was so lit

[static zodiac]

Yeah I meant titan fall 3 haha

Tf3 would sure be interesting

[shell robin]

they also just don't advertise the game a lot. most of the time people don't even know what this game is it's a very word of mouth spread game like even some youtube ads or something

[viscid holly]

you can say that but at one point it was 200k concurrent in very very early playtests, ontop of this games like slay the spire 2 which i just bought are not very advertised its just word of mouth. 500k

[high pumice]

Yo devs, you guys should delete ranger already, wtf were these updates?

[viscid holly]

i think its still over 100k concurrent as a single player deck building rogue like

im very confident that making dark and darker a "better" quality game by removing slop like arena would make the game more appealing

in general

[shell robin]

I don't think arena needs to go altogether but maybe not weekly I have fun in arena and it's good for trying to fight with gear and not losing it but i do notice how a larg amount of the playerbase only plays for arena and not the dungeon

[viscid holly]

i think its slop, 0 value, not worth grinding, rewards are bad, can't even bet on matches. chalked system

there is 0 risk/reward factor its legit just a 3v3 sandbox

[queen remnant]

So in the new S2R is the express man still here when going down?

[robust trail]

I just took a dump. Watching you make an fool out of yourself by full swinging with that "discord mod" aura you got going on because another adult male had a different opinion than you really made for a good read while taking said dump. Thank you for that.

[trim pumice]

I have 20 db’s should I sell them or keep them to see if arti arena comes out and they sky rocket

[pseudo knoll]

whos best for bossing now? is it still bard?

[shell robin]

the system could use a rework yes but in my experience having the safety of knowing my gear won't be poached if i die made me more willing to try stuff during fights i otherwise would never have gone for and became a better pvper because of it. so i'd say the value right now is just quick fights.

[trim pumice]

It’s not that he had a different opinion. You must’ve not read what he was saying lol

[little verge]

Daily reminder this games dog ass

[rich walrus]

Longsword animation is complete ass can we please get a redo for the reposte

[viscid holly]

you could also just make a private match mode where you can have 3v3's to test that with your friends instead of destroying the market and economy to be warped towards arena

maybe its a hot take but no purple items should be 20 even 30k gold more expensive then legendaries JUST BECAUSE its arena usable

legendary/unique items should be higher value regardless but thats not the case at all

[robust trail]

Oh i read it, i saw his point even tho i dont fully agree but it is a legitimate concern he is bringing up. Everything is not in black and white you know?

[wicked sedge]

two weeks till wipe bro just run them or trade for artis you do wanna run

[rich walrus]

Get a life ….. play a different game ….. there is SO MANY MORE CHOICES YOU HAVE BROTHER….. but never mind your a foot lover hahahah

[viscid holly]

nah save it for next wipe

i had like 3 chests, viola +1 and some other arti's

[wicked sedge]

this guy knows something we don’t

[viscid holly]

they are all gone im basically broke now i ran everything

or sold for gear

[wicked sedge]

ive lost all my artis too :(

[viscid holly]

worth

[wicked sedge]

had a couple pulvs, 3 kumas, 2 nips and 2 pestis

[wicked sedge]

worth

[viscid holly]

if you aint running it down with your good goop

what are you even doing fr?

[wicked sedge]

some people just let them sit in stash like a shoe collection

not me

[viscid holly]

i did that my first season ever playing so i sorta get it to an extent but once you get over losing gear then i don't get it

[wicked sedge]

running artis is the only thing that still gives me gear fear tbh

[robust trail]

Vendor it.

[wicked sedge]

still quaking when i bring them in 1500 hours later

[thorn stirrup]

How much active players does this game have now?

[rich walrus]

You are very correct ….. one of the biggest problems in dark and darker has a shit eco system ….. too much gold …. Not enough places to make it disappear…… WORKSHOP was suppose to help people LMFAO ….. the workshop only is good for no lifers if you play this game casually you will never Touch the workshop …. Ironmace has a great idea ….. HORRIFIC EXECUTION…. FOR YEARS . Saddest game development I’ve had the experience of watching and playing

[viscid holly]

the only times i get nervous anymore is when the whole lobby is here and its a WAR you know what i mean LOL your pinched by like 2-3 teams and your in the center thats when i tweak

[wicked sedge]

and this seems to happen exclusively when u run ur artis ahaha

[thorn stirrup]

Man spitting facts

[viscid holly]

workshop is terrible i'll agree, but it can be redeemed and reworked. i don't think there is a healthy way to "rework" arenas because the sheer fact it exists will sway the market HEAVILY towards that

[viscid holly]

yea ngl solos this season has made me realize how bad teaming is, i feel like back then cheaters used to be a bigger issue but now a days i don't see a ton of cheaters but i DOO see a ton of teamers

[robust trail]

Correct.

[viscid holly]

i have probably banned atleast 25 people this season no exxaggeration LOL

every single time i logged in past the first week or 2 this wipe ive gotten 1-3 feedback reports that someone was banned i reported

its ridiculous

[wicked sedge]

yeah idk if i just never noticed it before but ESP seems particularly common this season

[viscid holly]

i don't think its ESP because of the timing bro, i swear every time i have someone 1 shot randomly a guy comes out of absolutely no where and swings ONLY at me

[thorn stirrup]

Theres an active dev forum were they make and discuss the cheats.

[viscid holly]

like... its just so unlikely

sometimes its so blantant they come from behind the guy im swinging at, walk past him and fight me

like bruh how did u just let that guy walk past u

the amount of times ive voip'd "oh so were just teaming then" this season is wild

[thorn stirrup]

Those are def mod users man, you have a mod were you can see the equipped tier from your gear. They just waited for you. probably

[wicked sedge]

yeah from what i heard they can see ur gear score

[viscid holly]

this happens to me on squire warlock too lol

[alpine stump]

what should i do with my 60 dbs

[viscid holly]

it isn't only when i gear up, when you die in solos spectate the full 60 seconds they give you

you should easily be able to find people teaming, ive spotted it a few times

sometimes they are shameless with it and just chill in the same node with each other

[robust trail]

Vendor it.

[thorn stirrup]

Think of a stick figure, you can open a tab were you see the equipped gear. It has a whole menu

[fickle ermine]

WHY REMOVE BOSSES FROM SQUIRES MAN?
The other changes were so promising

[wicked sedge]

whaaaaaat

if true that is ridiculous

[viscid holly]

it is true

[thorn stirrup]

DM me i can show you the website, but don't create an account. They will screen you mate hahaha

They are very protective about their "CoMmUnItY"

[viscid holly]

in previous seasons it was much worse imo, for example back when you couldn't go red portal until 10 minutes into the raid. me and my friend would play hearthstone battle grounds until we got to hell (where warlord was at the time). until we got to inferno

the amount of times we would get ran up on in the corner of the map was crazy

but that hasn't happened this season if ever

im talking like i spawn in crypts, in a module bottom left, we are in a spawn room so if you checked our room, no mobs are dead so it looks like no one spawned there

[thorn stirrup]

Had that with ghostking so many times. I even got them clipped.

[viscid holly]

yet they some how run right up to our door clear basically no mobs and bum rush us

[viscid holly]

i honestly would rather the ESP players then the blatant teamers

[thorn stirrup]

Teamers are also a form of scum tbh

[viscid holly]

the blatant teamers are so much harder to deal with because you don't know where his teammate is, but the people with ESP are terrible

[thorn stirrup]

In the earlier days it was forbidden to team, but now he lets shake hands. weird shit

[viscid holly]

you can actually kill ESP players a decent amount of the time

[teal steeple]

lemme hold one

[robust trail]

Vendor the dbs. Dont be a wimp.

[candid shoal]

Is there an emote from this seasons Gobbo Questline?

[sand dust]

what is the gear limit for arena??

[hollow pine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1154484790985228420/1339810169055608923/2LtEVU.gif

[timber raptor]

My report numbers turned yellow

[sand dust]

thats so hot

[alpine stump]

epics

[arctic helm]

I notice the announcement always get clown emoji a lot. And it’s the most used.

I why? Do so many people hate the game?

[lapis birch]

It's a law

[drifting scaffold]

🫃

[lapis birch]

[drifting scaffold]

mom I frew up

[robust trail]

Beats and yell at

[drifting scaffold]

[wicked sedge]

it’s been a trend since the playtest days where they would constantly promise “hotfix will take an hour” and then an hour later would say “hotfix is taking longer than expected, give us another few hours”

[nocturne osprey]

Dude why, why are you guys just always so close to doing something good but just can't seem to avoid ruining it? Who is it? There has to be that one guy on the team who, right at the end of a meeting, has to chine in and ruin the plan. Removing bosses from squire sounded like a good plan to that guy, just like all the other bad ideas that guy had.

Remove him already.

[marsh oriole]

Anyone know if you can get Tear of the Volcano on Adventur Mode?

[sudden shoal]

🛹

[static current]

day 7 asking the tavern masters if i can wear their skin

[wicked sedge]

no because it’s a legendary drop

[sudden shoal]

wat, did they remove them?

[tender yarrow]

did they confirm that there was going to be artifact arena for the last week of wipe?

[sudden shoal]

they said you’ll be able to take in all your nice gear so i’d assume

[marsh oriole]

they said the rairty will be increased but im hopinh for artifact lvl

[nocturne osprey]

Yes

[tender yarrow]

okay thanks

[torpid vigil]

Pregnant goblin when

[sudden shoal]

makes no sense. if they want it to be a pvp mode that’s a good way to kill major POIs

[robust trail]

[drifting scaffold]

no this was good change. teamfights in the boss room and no free boss artis

[sudden shoal]

idk why would u even fight in there if there’s nothing

[nocturne osprey]

Obvious, clear logic that somehow people don't comprehend.

[drifting scaffold]

same reason everyone rushes bridge on ruins?

[drifting scaffold]

“major POIs” cmon nobody was bossing in the last iteration except ghost king

[median beacon]

S2H boss room should have a 10 hit pile in the middle

[sudden shoal]

Idk in my servers there’d always be some fights going on at spec knight, if it’s just an empty room i doubt ppl will go there, bridge atleast has the golems and red right there

i don’t see the point of that change

[azure snow]

[robust trail]

Nah.

[gaunt idol]

yo when is next wipe?

[azure snow]

[robust trail]

No means no!

[golden kettle]

like a month

[vast karma]

Wow I am sure glad a bard can kill a fully geared Barbarian with one song that sure makes a whole lot of sense and makes the game fun to play

[robust trail]

vision

[vast karma]

Also removing impact resistance from weapon guard is so stupid. Guess its back to the game having 0 physics for blocking. So stupud you parry but the attack magically goes through your sheild/LS and they just que up another attack rather than bounce off like they should...

God forbid the game has physics lmao. Mobs swing through doors and walls while we actually have to abide by the laws of physics make it make sense jfc lmfao

[robust trail]

All according to vision

[vast karma]

I have heard/seen better visions from a blind person.

[sudden shoal]

sup

[frank fiber]

they need to change ratting in solos bcs its ruining the game atp

[vast karma]

Games become Bard and Barder

[glacial chasm]

What is ratting in your opinion?

[sudden shoal]

what’s the suggestion to fix it ? i dont get it. will always be able to build high ms and follow players around waiting for loot, if not sitting in a dark corner

[strange sage]

bringing in 0 gear, looking for people fighting, taking the loot after one dies and perma running

[errant isle]

How could they fix it? Make random mobs pop up behind them if they stand still for 10 seconds?

[exotic minnow]

Anyone else getting disconnects after interacting with an object?

[strange sage]

delete hide

increase the loot time for kills you didnt get

[errant isle]

Someone said they ought to remove all invisibility from the game

[strange sage]

make doors take as long to close as they take to open

[sudden shoal]

At that point just fully delete rogue class or it needs a full rework

[glacial chasm]

He is talking about solos, if one person died then the person that killed him is free to loot or defend his kill.

[ripe nacelle]

this was a thing

idk why it got removed

[mighty venture]

Bards are crying rn

[shrewd merlin]

It's all about that "rat" gameplay that they love so much... Oh i'm sorry, they call it "crow" play or something instead.

[sudden shoal]

was one of the decently good changes packed in with a whole lot of shit ones, that’s why

[ripe nacelle]

that was a good change

bring it back paul

[rugged wind]

L patch honestly

[drifting scaffold]

they tied it to the “in combat” thing

[rugged wind]

Now that we(most of us) have just been selling useless unique gems all season they are useful 2.5 weeks before wipe.

[ripe nacelle]

that doesn't stop the grubs tho lmao

[drifting scaffold]

very true

[wicked sedge]

i literally just sold a full stack of unique arcane essence a couple days ago because it was useless until today

sad

[worn crow]

this game is deaaaad

[reef gazelle]

so like whens the wizard rework so that its not just a less interesting sorcerer 🤔

[rugged wind]

Iv been selling them all season. Everyone I know who plays has as well.

[vast karma]

After this seasons rogue/Ranger it will be cleric/wiz

[wicked sedge]

seeing them at 3k actually has me crying tears at what could’ve been lmao

[vast karma]

Honestly its stupid to have time gated the accessory crafting like they did and the mysterious potion requirements are so fcking stupid holy fck 5 ultra rare potions that go from 30-15k yeah fcking right lmao

[glacial chasm]

It is an expensive quest for sure

[vast karma]

Like maybe 2 would be reasonable but 5 I haven't seen 1 and the fcking bone man is hard enough as it is in HR

Ngl though Id drink it if I got one lmao

[oak ember]

But like... why? Is this not a buff to high end bard? A flat 5% pdr/mdr buff at high end is really good since 30 ar/mr was great for squire kit but borderline useless for big kits. Shriel is also a buff for pvp while a nerf for pve no?

[exotic seal]

I remember watching Hunter win two Dungeon Series championships with the San Francisca Caverns Frost Giants. Usually he is known for this fireball throws (main position is right flank) but he is also a menace with the longsword when the team needs him to swing

[wicked sedge]

missed opportunity for san francisca

[flint olive]

whats at the bottom of blindfall pit?

[oak ember]

a blind fall

[vast karma]

Lots of skeletons lmao I think its a troll module

[whole lance]

WTF a dude just walked up to me, let me kill him, and he had an inventory 100% completely full of 3 stacked blue and purple gems at the very beginning of a match

Is he duping?

[grim river]

the patch notes... was only that? like just some fixes? nothing new? why they nerfed bard wtf

[flint olive]

I jumped down and its just 3 piles

[vast karma]

Wild lmao its been a platoon of skeletons for me each time

Instant death if you aren't windows vista cleric

[flint olive]

it freaks me out more that theres nothing down here tbh

[manic holly]

Are any other players having constant crashing issues over the past month or so?

[vast karma]

There are 2 levers however one breaks after use so not sure what it does as I haven't gotten to it myself and lived. Just rolled up on some sorry corpses a few times

[meager temple]

is it not a buff?

[manic holly]

I never used to crash and now I crash every day, I validate files it downloads something new and still crashes. wtf is happening?

[grim river]

i dont know, that depends how much % was 25 armor rating vs 5%

[vast karma]

One is on the wall and another is on the outside of the pillars in the square connected to where the elevator platform is

[oak ember]

pvp buff, pve nerf, pver's in shambles

[grim river]

yep i thought the same

[vast karma]

5% is like 50 armor rating or so I believe

[grim river]

humm my bad

well at least now Shriek of Weakness will be good for pvp

[vast karma]

30-45 my bad

[meager temple]

its always been good

[grim river]

kinda, was not something required during some fight

[clever cloud]

💪🏼

[fickle ermine]

WHY TF DO I PLAY AGAINST GRANDMASTERS AS A WANDERER???

[sudden shoal]

prob high lvl past characters aged account and stuff i think there’s more that goes into it then just rank if i remember correctly

[fickle ermine]

I got like 70 fame, bro probably has 300

[wind juniper]

wait there’s really still no cosmetic quests

[strange sage]

depends on the AR curve

[strange sage]

300 isnt a lot

[strange sage]

wtf is grandmaster brodie

[sudden shoal]

there’s also like not alot of people playing, so it kinda fills things weirdly i think.. if u divide the player count by the number of queues just see, there’s not many for each region

[timber raptor]

My report numbers turned yellow

[fickle ermine]

highest rank

[oak ember]

rank means litereally nothing in the dungeon

demigod is something everyone can achieve in their sleep

[strange sage]

yeah theres no "grandmaster" in dark and darker

[strange sage]

this too

[mighty blade]

How does physical damage bonus work exactly?

[strange sage]

wdym

[mighty blade]

Like if itss +3 percent, is it like (weapon damage 35) and then 3 percent of that?

Because if thats the case, it seems ass

[zinc mountain]

(wep dmg times phys damage bonus + add damage) times hs multi

[strange sage]

yeah thats why you get like 30% and not just 3%

[zinc mountain]

3% of that is 1 damage

get 30% and you get 10

[mighty blade]

Yeah but then +4 phys power seems a better choice?

Seems like its worth it if you have a bardiche etc

[zinc mountain]

on rings you should get full phys power then add phys, you usually wanna prioritize damage on rings and as on capes and pendant, higher weapon damage weapons can be a reason to get stuff like hs damage bonus or action speed but usually add is still better for full damage

[sharp hill]

So Physical Power and Strength both give you some Physical Damage%. This starts off at +1 = +1% damage, but it falls off overtime past like +30 physical power/strength or so.
-# Strength also gives a bit of max hp.

Physical Power Bonus% is a flat, additive number on-top of your strength/physical power. This is NOT curved.

Ideally you’d have a lot of strength, then when adding more strength begins to be less worthwhile- start adding physical damage bonus% instead of +physical power.

[zinc mountain]

only time that add phys is a requirement though is on weapons with less than 33 weapon damage because at that point 3% damage is the same as add phys so with rare rings at higher weapon damages it's sometimes worth it to go phys damage instead

[zinc mountain]

once you get to 35% pdb with pure strength (50 phys power which strength is just 1 phys power and some extra hp) you get 0.5% per phys power then at 60 it becomes 0.25%

[mighty blade]

Thanks alot for all the explanation! Very worthful!

[zinc mountain]

glad I could be worthfull 🥹

[wind juniper]

@vale oar bro this patch is a nothing burger

[vast karma]

Let me block and parry with the pickaxe so I can be the dwarf I was meant to be

[wind juniper]

how do you guys manage to talk yourselves up so well and then deliver absolutely nothing, almost every time

[karmic gust]

I didnt even talk myself up, delivered nothing tho...

[woven widget]

Im also a burger

[zinc mountain]

you got that twin 🥺👍

[unreal garnet]

"Fixed an issue where monsters’ health could unintentionally increase." is way too funny. when?? where??? in what context?? by how much?? too goofy man, way too goofy

[karmic gust]

well, it got fixed... who cares tbh.

[zinc mountain]

how tf does that even happen tho lol

was someone giving mobs 101% pdr or sm shit

[broken holly]

Me and my buddy running viola/zirk duos Ice caves east bring yo bis

[unreal garnet]

its just so vague, its so funny

[zinc mountain]

im bringing a rogue and a druid

[karmic gust]

yoo idk... never had a problem with it... so just who cares XD

[zinc mountain]

prepare to get your loot ratted

[dreamy vine]

Bring back hardcore demigod grind so peeple have more to do than rat highroller and hoard arena gear that it permanent in the extraction game

[wind juniper]

please

[karmic gust]

just bring highroller squire to riches... i mean all start at the same point! Its not just the hobby and workless that win. So everyone can have fun.

[wind juniper]

old demi grind was good imo

[visual swallow]

wtf is hr s2r

[wind juniper]

i hate “rewards that you grind for” that turn into non grinds and basically just participation rewards for everyone

[zinc mountain]

it's how half the playerbase plays in goblin caves but instead it's forced upon everyone in the match

[visual swallow]

wut

[karmic gust]

wut

[zinc mountain]

half the people in my goblin caves matches are squire gear rogues and druids

[karmic gust]

ah ok, yeah. wouldnt be in hr s2r...

when everyone comes in squire gear - everyone can just have fun.

[zinc mountain]

then theres just one 75% pdr longsword fighter that I headshot 5 times with bis on with a rapier and 45% pdb and do 30% of his hp

[drifting scaffold]

bruh ppl out here malding that they made reg squires a little harder no way hr s2r would work

[wind juniper]

hr s2r would have the potential to be be one of my favorite queues, until i run 40 games and they’re all timmies on my team dying to the first nightmare zwei skele we see

[zinc mountain]

also before that shot him like 6 times with a surv bow and hit him even more than that while hes shrieked and hes just fine 😐

bouta run 100% armor pen bard just bc of that guy

[fiery aspen]

That'd be pretty fun ngl

[sonic quest]

guys whats the rarity allowed right now in arena?

[wind juniper]

surv bow needs deleted from the game

[torpid vigil]

Ebic

[fiery aspen]

Ebic

[karmic gust]

casual player like me, who played like the very start back in the playtest, can easy do nightmare in squire gear. You just can't rush through all the map and the game dont end in a all vs all in mid of the map.

[torpid vigil]

I replied to the wrong guy oops

[burnt flare]

im glad squires to riches is now harder for people because i only play hr and squires to richest was literally free loot like 1k a raid is bad but not bad enough to not playi t

[zinc mountain]

throw on plate armor and it becomes a literal peashooter

fucking 5 damage on headshot

[sonic quest]

ok thx

[unreal garnet]

s2r but with hr tier loot/mobs...

[zinc mountain]

my arena kit was taking 10 damage from chest shots from a longbow, the shit you can do with fighter is insane now

[wind juniper]

it’s not the bow itself that’s a problem it’s that it disallows nerfs on the better bows because this one would be useless

[burnt flare]

i agree with this, ive also ran naked with crystal sword with boc/and other naked runs worse than squire and left with a 30k kit almost every time

[karmic gust]

s2r was not ment to loot. everyone just went squire gear mid and killed each other... once down u dont find a single sole and the loot is shit aswell... or was. idk how its now.

[burnt flare]

i played it when it first came out i was getting like 1k-1.5k a raid which isnt bad for going into essentially norms iwth 0 risk at all

[vast karma]

Ah yes spectating more filthy money traders in HR NA West/East. Sure hope IM does something about this. About the only "people" I see in HR these days

[timber raptor]

My report numbers turned yellow

[zinc mountain]

just don't nerf it with the other bows then, it's already useless on pretty much any plate fighter i've seen a clip of the lorr shooting a plate fighter in shitty gear like 20 times to kill them in full bis and armor pen rolls

[wind juniper]

LMAOO that vid he put out of “best ranger build” a few days ago, that first clip?

[zinc mountain]

yea pretty much

[karmic gust]

you can go highroler with 0 risk at all, just play squire gear... so there is no use in all this modes. i dont get why people go just yolo fights s2r/norm/hr all the same...

[zinc mountain]

that shit is NOT the best

[karmic gust]

just miss the random fights in locations u never see when u just go mid and fight.

[wind juniper]

i blame thelorr for ranger being goated to begin with

[zinc mountain]

plate fighters are basically invulnrable to all physical damage now if you stack pdr

[wind juniper]

he nerfs himself with a surv bow on every build, gaslights the devs into thinking ranger is mediocre

[zinc mountain]

it's kinda crazy

only thing killing a pdr fighter is a 100% armor pen ranger or rogue

[zinc mountain]

yea i have no clue why he still uses it

[karmic gust]

thats funny, i just got 3 tapped by a rouge in arena. 160hp 70-72% pdr...

[vale oar]

https://tenor.com/view/juleecel-siamang-gibbon-siamang-gibbon-gibbon-spin-gif-1128571653002961984

[zinc mountain]

read my second comment, also arena isnt even out yet lol

[wind juniper]

don’t you spin at me fool where is the promised fun

WHERE ARE MY COSMETIC QUESTS

[vast karma]

Feels so good when gobbie brings back your entire kit ❤️

[vale oar]

I tap an index finger against your heart

[karmic gust]

oh yeah, gotcha.

[vale oar]

[drifting scaffold]

[wind juniper]

paul consumed the monkey man’s soul its chalked

[karmic gust]

well, everything that can kite kills a fighter to... sorc, wiz, ranger...

[drifting scaffold]

My report numbers turned yellow

[unreal garnet]

is monk coming season 10 or season 11?

[woven widget]

we do deserve the cosmetic quests ngl

[karmic gust]

season 21.

[drifting scaffold]

season 69

[zinc mountain]

not even ranger if they aren't stacking armor pen my arena kit takes like 8 damage to a fully bised out ranger from chest shots you just walk up to them and block with your fists and you can't die

[karmic gust]

anyone bet more?

[zinc mountain]

magic is kinda unwinnable tho in full plate

unless they're terrible

[karmic gust]

like who dont stack armor pen?

[zinc mountain]

most people

every rogue does tho

[wind juniper]

you can’t kite fighter though, in full plate they press a button and outspeed everyone else

[zinc mountain]

at least most of em

[karmic gust]

just made a tank build for arena on my fighter, anyways i put armor pen on almost every piece.

[karmic gust]

if they run the perk.

[zinc mountain]

swift in full plate is a requirement to play the game

[dreamy vine]

Damn we got a penatrator over here

[karmic gust]

think he ment sprint.

swift dont bring you above 295

[zinc mountain]

and adrenaline rush second wind make any physical damage class including ranger get cooked, also you said perk

[wind juniper]

i did mostly mean sprint and adr but swift is broken too

[zinc mountain]

bro I've ran 280 ms in solos even thats playable

[karmic gust]

perk/spell idk i mix them up often XD

[zinc mountain]

with fighter ms abilities you can stil somewhat catch people

just franny spam

and if a rogue runs from you just ignore them

their throwing knives are feathers

[karmic gust]

fact

[zinc mountain]

and steel is heavier than feathers

[karmic gust]

XDD

but they both a kilogram

[zinc mountain]

but look at the size of that its cheating!

[karmic gust]

yoyo but look, they both a kilogram

[zinc mountain]

no, no thats not right...

[karmic gust]

i cant no more XDDD

just watched it XD

[zinc mountain]

damn I saw it ages ago but it's engraved in my mind

[grim river]

so, did they add skin quests?

[cobalt ice]

I want to know too

[dreamy gazelle]

So this bard change is that a nerf or a buff

[grim river]

hope yes because we dont have anything to do in the game at the moment

[dreamy gazelle]

Does shriek not work on pve anymore

[unreal garnet]

those dont come til arena opens. why would you be able to do the quests before arena opens? while youre bored with nothing to do, that makes no sense - Ol Squirrelly

[grim river]

some people said its a pvp buff and pve nerf, but i think its only a nerf in general because that % is from the pdr, so if the enemy has 50% pdr, will be 9% of 50%, so its not too good

[grim river]

ok make sense

[bleak coyote]

new quests dont drop until the same time arena opens up <t:1775779200:R> at <t:1775779200:t>. Until then, no one knows

[grim river]

i dont know, but looks like yes

[merry schooner]

there is no mob with positive pdr so yes the shriek is now useless against pve

[molten prism]

So 30 armor rating is less than 9% pdr, so how is this a nerf? I feel really confused

[flat harness]

in pve it is, in pvp its a buff

[molten prism]

Ahh i see

[grim river]

because 30 its a flat value, but 9% is dynamic, its not 9% flat

[strange sage]

because its not -9% pdr, its multiplicitive

[cobalt ice]

Fr?

[strange sage]

if they have like 50% pdr, its doing -9% of that, like with weakpoint

[warm fable]

I wish I could see iron mace stream with Q and A 😭

[zinc mountain]

mobs were losing like 50% pdr or more

[grim river]

it is 9% of the PDR % of the player, so as Fran said, is 50% - 9% of 50%, so its like 4.5% pdr

[zinc mountain]

also I just assumed it was -9% pdr not 9% of their pdr

did you test it?

[strange sage]

it was tested

[zinc mountain]

or just from what it says bc their wording is not always consistent

[zinc mountain]

which was it

[unreal garnet]

yes. they drop quests and arena at the same time, and then there tends to be a patch 8 hours after arena opens. they really just dont like arena

[strange sage]

the one that i said brodie

[cobalt ice]

Is arena going to be epic or leg

[zinc mountain]

you said it's multiplicative then that it's -9%

[grim river]

i dont know how its working now with mobs, because mobs have 0 ARMOR Rating, so its 0%, and 0 - 9% = 0 as it's 9% of 0%

[wind juniper]

my guess is unique, since they made unique jewelry crafting

[zinc mountain]

mobs have -33% pdr so maybe it increases their pdr

[strange sage]

if they have 50% pdr, and you shriek them, it reduces it by 9% of 50, not -9%

[zinc mountain]

doubt that tho

[zinc mountain]

alr

[strange sage]

so it would be like 4% or whatever tf the math is

[grim river]

hahahahhahahaha

[cobalt ice]

Probably not

[strange sage]

over all nerf because main use of shriek was bossing

[wind juniper]

what would be the point of that in patch notes then?

[zinc mountain]

they deleted bards class identity nice

[cobalt ice]

Idk

[strange sage]

nerf melee classes as always, buff range slop

[grim river]

should delete the class because we cannot buff our teammates anymore, cannot debuff bosses... what is the propourse of this class now

[zinc mountain]

just make bard slayer fighter with songs now

[drifting scaffold]

the main identity of the bard class is … pve ???

[zinc mountain]

yea pretty much

[drifting scaffold]

not the instrument playing or buffing

[flat harness]

so removing 9 pdr in pvp is not a debuff?

[zinc mountain]

that was the main part of the songs

[drifting scaffold]

or debuffing even

[grim river]

we cant buff the teammates bro

[cobalt ice]

Thats what im saying, Iron mace is on crack

[zinc mountain]

being able to kill pve quickly

[zinc mountain]

the debuffs other than lament are pretty mid

[flat harness]

nowadays you destroy pve anyway

[drifting scaffold]

oh no it’s worse than I thought lmfao

[flat harness]

you only need bard if youre squire

[grim river]

and its only 2 secs, and silence too

[zinc mountain]

song of silence I actually got to work in arena at least lol

[drifting scaffold]

idk what they’re called anymore, but a PvP debuff other than the slow one being good? That’s a buff lol

they even sprinkled in a sneaky buff to the defense song

[wind juniper]

maybe people will actually use banshees now

[zinc mountain]

it gives slightly less mdr slightly more pdr in most cases now

[grim river]

i cant understand what they did, like, the main reason of have a bard in our party is: bard play songs and buff the team

the D&D bard cannot buff the team '-'

[wind juniper]

2 all to my team -2all to enemy team is actually kind of okay

[visual swallow]

new archspire and inferi albums tomorrow

[grim river]

maybe, im trying learn this song

[zinc mountain]

it's -3 and you're better off spamming the only 2 team buffs bard has other than rousing

[drifting scaffold]

why would you spam those

[strange sage]

warsong

[drifting scaffold]

but they’re long aren’t they

[strange sage]

and allegro

[grim river]

war song is 6 secs

[zinc mountain]

18% as for your entire team and 15 ms

[strange sage]

they like as long as banshee

[drifting scaffold]

so you don’t spam any of them

6 seconds is so long wtf

[zinc mountain]

they last like 6 seconds bro

[wind juniper]

allegro is the only thing worth taking

imo

[strange sage]

nah, like 2 seconds at most

[zinc mountain]

you have like 2 seconds to do anything before you have to play it again

[strange sage]

and thats in squire or sum

[zinc mountain]

and if you take the ms one you have legit no time

[grim river]

man but to do this you need to use a PDR bard because if not, the enemies will delete you

[zinc mountain]

pdr bard cant even win with skill without a crossbow against fighters now, I hit 5 rapier headshots with 45% pdb and I did 30% of bros hp hes at 75% pdr how am I supposed to beat that

also hit like 4 surv bow shots and a bunch of rapier hits while he was shrieked before that hes just fine

he 4 shots me I 20 shot him

prob more than 20 actually

[grim river]

the bad part is we need the bow to attack enemies, so use a crossbow could be bad sometimes. But agree, crossbow its good but you'll need luck too

[wind juniper]

i think the ale changes were enough for bard tbh, i don’t understand this one all that much, but this really only affects pve, shriek was removing a pair of boots worth of armor before in pvp it’s not like it was making or breaking fights

[grim river]

I know how you feel bro

[grim river]

agree specially because its not all bards that use ales

[zinc mountain]

I'm literally hitting all headshots hes hitting chest shots but he just stat checks the class that gets free stats

[dreamy vine]

For the arena crowd naturally,

Bring back hardcore demigod grind so peeple have more to do than rat highroller and hoard arena gear that it permanent in the extraction game

[zinc mountain]

bc hes in full plate

rapier is just terrible against plate classes you do no damage

[grim river]

i liked this mode of rank, i think demigod should be equal next season, but i think they need add more rewards or ranks to encourage people on HR

[grim river]

yep, and we dont have so many choices actually. As a bard, we need choose who we will fight against, and normally we only can beat a weak fighter , rogues, sometime a wizard or sorcerer, and sometime a druid, but in general we are weak against everyone =p

[drifting scaffold]

🫃

choices everyone makes when engaging

[unreal garnet]

wizard need impregnation spell fr. that can be his summon

[grim river]

agree

[harsh ermine]

Did they fix abyss void? Goblin didnt give me my stuff back after wyvern launched me

[wind juniper]

gobbo gives void items back yes

[harsh ermine]

Not anymore, i didnt get my stuff back. Idk if u know how to read

[drifting scaffold]

I mean it does normally idk what ur specific situation looks like

[visual nacelle]

this mans about to get his stuff in about 10 minutes and feel embarrassed so much by this comment smh

[drifting scaffold]

[visual nacelle]

lashes out at people who answer his question, like huhh?

[dreamy gazelle]

He’s coping rn because he can’t wyvern

Bro was being nice answering ur question don’t give him attitude

[harsh ermine]

Lol yall are incompetent

[drifting scaffold]

somebody sure is

[dreamy gazelle]

U still die to wyvern in the big 26 Fio

[harsh ermine]

Came with question and got 0 answers

[dreamy gazelle]

Fix ur tone next time

[harsh ermine]

U must not kill HR wyvern lol

[harsh ermine]

Lmao go back to playing normals little guy

[dreamy gazelle]

Hop in trade rq

I can buy ur whole account

[unreal garnet]

Toxic, Passionate, Amazing, Caring, or Lovely, whatever words you choose to describe, the community was cultivated by developer decisions, Ironmace and SDF should never be stripped of that credit 😁 ❤️ 😊 ☺️ 🥰

[mighty blade]

wtf is this kind of convo..

[harsh ermine]

Yeah pve farming must got u hype

[drifting scaffold]

dude u were in HR? u didn’t say that

[dreamy gazelle]

Bro said pve farming

[unreal garnet]

standard DnD community conversation tbh. this is what Ol Squirrely cultivated....

[drifting scaffold]

goblin affinity changes how u get gear back from HR

[mighty blade]

This kind of behaviour belongs in Fornite, weird to see it here

[gaunt oracle]

you ever see 2 dogs bark at each other from opposite sides of a fence?

[harsh ermine]

I dont need to, i typed. I gort launched into the void. No gear after i woke up

[mighty blade]

Lol, perfect example

[drifting scaffold]

yea if u didn’t do any goblin quests he ain’t giving ts back HR or normal

pve you still get it back always

[harsh ermine]

I have max goblin, doesnt matter tho cuz i didnt get a single piece of gear. Up ur reading comprehension plz 😭😭

[dreamy gazelle]

Bless this man’s soul^

[drifting scaffold]

comprehension? bud u didn’t type any of that out til now

[timber raptor]

My report numbers turned yellow

[visual nacelle]

why cant u guys just read his mind

[dreamy gazelle]

Dude just read his mind cmon

[drifting scaffold]

smh my head should have

[harsh ermine]

Tbh yall should have

[dim raptor]

Pretty sure u never get gear back falling into the void but in pve. They didnt want people loosing a fight to yeet themselves over the edge so they could get gear back

[drifting scaffold]

this was changed a while back, I forget the exact patch

[mossy talon]

damn unique arcane essence has not wiggled in price?

[zinc mountain]

ive devolved to running 75% pdr fighter 😔

killed a melee sorc losing like 30% of my hp with him reposting me and hitting me twice

a barb hit me I lost 10 hp

I'm at almost ms cap with weapons away with sprint adrenaline rush

never playing bard again

[wind juniper]

this dude so mad he lost his 4k kit

why he yelling at us

[zinc mountain]

it was 12k and it was my life savings 🥺

other than the viola kit I have but now I'm scared to run it

bc of these damn pdr cap fighters

[wind juniper]

not you goober the guy that can’t kill wyv

[zinc mountain]

damn rip him

when I first did wyvern I had to build like 230 ms lol

330 i mean

[wind juniper]

i lost a bt kit 2 days ago haven’t played since

[zinc mountain]

now I can do it in heavy armor but people learning boss are cooked

[wind juniper]

i’m just waiting for osrs leagues this wipe is chalked for me

[zinc mountain]

rip 🥀

why are barbs running golden solaris in the big 26 😔

[wind juniper]

best wep

[zinc mountain]

he didnt even use it lol just switched to quarter staff tickled me a bit then held block just kept jumping over and headshotting him tho

why are people running from the dual weild full plate fighter 🥺 just come fight me I'm not that scary i promise

definitely am not pdr cap with weapons out even without veterans instinct

[graceful quiver]

anyone else have servers get ddos's on west ruins???

all over sea's names and shit playing on there

[wind juniper]

i just wanna know if i can sell my 10 tears, or if these goofballs are ever going to release these quests

this is ridiculous

if they don’t come out tonight, i’m storming IM HQ

[graceful quiver]

GG's too west servers. its China servers now

[wind juniper]

china number one

[dreamy vine]

Anyone know of good video of someone killing artifact in squire or blues

[dreamy vine]

Last night was ridiculous

[graceful quiver]

ya they are just ddos's servers now for free loot. lost a good kit and went in 4 more times and its the same deal after the 1st min of the game

[eternal knoll]

Just spent like an hour selling and marketplacing my entire stash between chars and maxed religion with 7k gold leftover gg

[signal creek]

religion this season is buns ngl

reskin orc are we deadahh

[sterile ferry]

Have u guys noticed that.... U can get ARTIFACTS right now in SQUIRE TO RICHES?

[soft kettle]

Cleric nerfs are what we’re worried about ironmace

[quaint carbon]

You think I want to be overweight? You think I don't hate myself everyday for it? If I didn't have to go through so much shit during my childhood I never would have had to resort to using food as an escape. Kinda sad though that all you can muster are insults instead of addressing my arguments.

[wind juniper]

kiss his bald head right now

[simple vault]

Why TF are we still nerfing bard?? When are we going to get something new all you have done is shit on this class. Add Monk

[zinc mountain]

sdf is gonna nerf us again just bc you dared ask for a new class

[cyan monolith]

bard op

[arctic helm]

Why do the announcements get so many clown emojis? It’s the most used too. Is the game bad?

[zinc mountain]

just play plate fighter you can stand there let them hit you 10 times with a rapier while at 45% pdb and then start swinging and still win

[zinc mountain]

the clown emojis will never stop

[wind juniper]

term of endearment

[frosty sleet]

bro😭

[simple vault]

It’s because everyone thinks they are so happy

[tranquil urchin]

PLS FAST how much is kumas claw

[dreamy vine]

You think I want to be overweight? You think I don't hate myself everyday for it? If I didn't have to go through so much shit during my childhood I never would have had to resort to using food as an escape. Kinda sad though that all you can muster are insults instead of addressing my arguments.

[supple garnet]

the bard changes aren't really nerfs breh

[arctic helm]

I guess the game is just that bad. I thought about buying it but if the reception is terrible then nvm

[simple vault]

They aren’t buffs either

[wind juniper]

the game is aight but the devs are clowns

[supple garnet]

they are though

[wind juniper]

transitive property states game sucks too then

[coral spear]

It's free might as well play it, imo it's the most fun the game has been in years

[supple garnet]

how is the shriek change not a straight buff

[simple vault]

Shriek now gets rid of less stats? Did you play bard?

[wind juniper]

it’s a 1% difference

it’s slightly worse against people, much worse against pve

[coral spear]

Yea pve was the big change

[median beacon]

Shriek is better against tanks, worse against not tanks, and doesn’t do a single thing against pve now

[tired shard]

another day, the same paul dark and darker

[wind juniper]

i like it tbh, i hated bards being the token boss killer

[feral vine]

[lost plover]

Yeah let my cleric go back to being the bis boss clearer

[wind juniper]

don’t sleep on undead perk warlock

[supple garnet]

someone hit me with the math on this

[acoustic breach]

devs are just always disappointing

[wind juniper]

easiest way to calc armor to pdr, give or take moving scaling brackets, i think you can just double the armor and move the decimal

so like 60 armor > 120 armor > 12% pdr

idk how fully accurate that is i’m not a graph reader but i believe it’s at least close

[supple garnet]

this feels like you forgot the armor rating curve was adjusted my friend

[molten arch]

can you scrap anything at weaponsmith?

[wind juniper]

not just forgotten, i had no clue, gotta really study the patch notes of this game to get good info lol

but i think the point still stands, even before, shriek was removing about a boot’s worth of armor

the numbers aren’t high enough to do much more than that

[dreamy vine]

My report numbers turned yellow

[supple garnet]

I will get on and do some testing right now

because I swear this is an insane buff especially against plate armor

armor rating gives .1 to a fighter above 50% pdr

so him losing 9% is just insane

it could be .15, we are about to see

[sharp latch]

… wassup, NERDS.

[karmic cypress]

Wow what a bard nerf

[supple garnet]

its definitely a nerf in pve

[sharp latch]

Don’t make me pull the vicious mockery.

(Also initially misread that as barf nerd)

[karmic cypress]

Hahaha

[sharp latch]

[supple garnet]

guys its actually less thaan .1

[sharp latch]

Wtf? That’s not cool.

[supple garnet]

im telling you this is a bard buff

in pvp

[sharp latch]

Even RN Jesus says that’s shafted.

[supple garnet]

when sitting at exactly 50% pdr, I removed 3 armor rating and went down to 49.8

this means that above 50% it is actually less than .1

and I believe anything above 40% would end up being .1

so I mean like, him losing less than 3% pdr vs him losing 9%

[sharp latch]

… all these numbers are making my damn head hurt!

Who wants to DRINK? Like a TAVERN SHOULD BE DOING??

[karmic cypress]

We also gotta keep in mind that bard fights other stuff than plate fighter

[sharp latch]

If they’re not smacking baddies with a mandolin, they’re doing it WRONG!

[supple garnet]

even if you stand to gain the maximum amount of armor rating from the curve, this means you must be below 40% which would likely lose to bard anyway unless we are talking low gear score gameplay

[karmic cypress]

I miss purple lute sub 25 lobbies

[supple garnet]

and I actually suspect that above 30% it may be .15

[sharp latch]

… is there a difference between a mandolin and a lute?

[supple garnet]

which means that it is a massive buff at the top end and roughly the same numbers in the low-mid tier, and insanely worthwhile trade

the only time where this doesn't matter as much if you were shrieking someone in robes with no pdr, which they will die to you quickly anyway

I genuinely do not see a world in pvp where this isn't just straight up better

especially since everyone has a lot more pdr than they did in the past

[sharp latch]

-throws mug at your head- STOP IGNORING ME!

D:<

[supple garnet]

I AM SORRY

[sharp latch]

THANK YOU

[kindred echo]

who keeps deciding these updates for dark and darker? This shyt sucks

[sharp latch]

Is there any damn difference between a mandolin and a lute!?

[sharp latch]

And I don’t even PLAY the damn game!!

[supple garnet]

read some of the stuff I typed out above this message, I play bard more than you I guarantee it that's why I immediately questioned this

[kindred echo]

i am, however im regretting every hour i put into this game

[supple garnet]

I mean like

[karmic cypress]

They both look the same but sound different

[sharp latch]

Same category, MOOT POINT!

[karmic cypress]

Same same but different

[sharp latch]

Then methinks a change is in order!

[supple garnet]

technically im pretty sure a mandolin falls under the category of lute

[kindred echo]

yeah im thinking that too. might fk around on some BG3 or something

[sharp latch]

POTATO, TOMATO! Bah! GRAB A PINT ALREADY!

[sharp latch]

Why not FO4?

[supple garnet]

A lute (/ljuːt/[1] or /luːt/) is any plucked string instrument with a neck and a deep round back enclosing a hollow cavity, usually with a sound hole or opening in the body. It may be either fretted or unfretted.

so a mandolin is a lute

[sharp latch]

Thanks Webster

[kindred echo]

ive got Fo4 ive just been a big fan of BG3 and always finding myself doing different playthroughs.

[sharp latch]

I see. Anniversary edition?

[quaint carbon]

🥰

[kindred echo]

oooooooooooooh yeah! though ive never played Fo4 with mods so i might consider another run of that too

[sharp latch]

“Outplayed” mega oof.

[still nexus]

ah but you don't pluck a mandolin, which keeps the lute in a separate category, mandolins also don't have round backs

[sharp latch]

Anniversary edition has them pre installed

[sharp latch]

Pluck, pick, strum… THEY STILL STRUNG!

[still nexus]

let me have this

[grim patio]

did bard get buffed or nerfed?

[zinc mountain]

nerfed for pve, debatable for pvp

[sharp latch]

[kindred echo]

really? hmm maybe i dont have Fo4 anniversary edition, i do have the bigger edition for bg3 but i got a really good deal on it.

[sharp latch]

… anniversary edition is on the switch 2. =_=

[still nexus]

what they should really do is add a cello for bard

[sharp latch]

Don’t tell me you don’t nintenBRO.

[supple garnet]

I mean you totally could

[sharp latch]

😡

NOW YOU SOUND LIKE MY EX FIANCÉ.

[still nexus]

not really, the strings are much too close together

[supple garnet]

PVE nerf, scroll up to read some of the math on armor rating or do the math yourself, PVP buff

[kindred echo]

oh shyt i didnt know you were talking about the switch. I do want a switch 2 tho. Just lacking on the funds department for a bit. Spent a lot of money recently fixing my car and its taken everything, but in due time.

[sharp latch]

cello… -ragequit, tableflips-

[grim patio]

no

[still nexus]

he sounds cool

[supple garnet]

show me your counterargument

[grim patio]

no

[supple garnet]

I will dismantle it publicly

[sharp latch]

8 years down the drain because of him.

[supple garnet]

yeah I figured as much

[still nexus]

never mind

[grim patio]

no

[sharp latch]

Let’s FORGET HE EXISTS.

[zinc mountain]

no

[supple garnet]

professional ragebait

[still nexus]

ok but how about saxophone bard

[sharp latch]

CHEERS, you … nah, you’re definitely not my peers.

[zinc mountain]

nuh uh

[sudden shoal]

[sharp latch]

Careless whisper bard. I approve.

[kindred echo]

i was married for a bit so i get that as well. Shyt sucks especially with the time and money put into the relationship.

[sharp latch]

SHOTS!

Yk why I chose rogue? Because I’m IRL rogue.

[still nexus]

yall should try never going outside or speaking to others

[unreal garnet]

W

[sharp latch]

… too late

We talking to each other. Technically not in the same location.

[still nexus]

shit

[sudden shoal]

It's overrated

[sharp latch]

And we aren’t clones!

THIS IS THE OTHERS

[still nexus]

can't prove that

[zinc mountain]

bros acting like anyone here hasn't tried it

[sharp latch]

[sharp latch]

Can’t prove I’m wrong

[sudden shoal]

Rather sit inside and play dad

[sharp latch]

… wait. YES I CAN. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DEFINITELY DO NOT HAVE MY BODY!!

[zinc mountain]

don't play with dad, he likes it too much

[sharp latch]

I am the TOKEN FEMALE HERE!!!

[sudden shoal]

[zinc mountain]

[still nexus]

token, you're a woman, of course you can play rogue

[sharp latch]

I avoid him like the plague

[sharp latch]

I steal all your game tokens too; so rogue of me!

[sudden shoal]

Those don't exist, only men

[sharp latch]

;3

[sharp latch]

You’re not sane.

[still nexus]

what is the official e-girl class

[kindred echo]

i just thought of this too, anyone know if theres a reason for Cockatrice to be leveled? i maxxed mine out and I dont even receive Gems or anything from him anymore.

[zinc mountain]

sane same, same same

[still nexus]

it is rogue is it not

[crisp pelican]

rogues deserve to be strung up

[sudden shoal]

[sharp latch]

… I’m most likely older than you, KID.

-wine sip-

[still nexus]

i spent like 50k on cockatrice quest and he gave me a bunch of dust and lint in return

[unreal garnet]

Comp sci

[still nexus]

i dont see what this has to do with anything

[crisp pelican]

i love my cockatrice i named him jonson

[sharp latch]

Sounds about right nowadays. Do way too much work, get nothing back in return.

[crisp pelican]

5 blue gems every couple of days what a goat

[zinc mountain]

so is his nickname cock jonson?

[crisp pelican]

oh yeah

[sudden shoal]

That's what u get for feeding the cock

[sharp latch]

OH MYYYYYY

;D

[zinc mountain]

cock means chicken :D

[sharp latch]

No shit.

[zinc mountain]

dont think it has any other meanings

pretty sure