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the top names like fulgor viola etc are always going to be very expensive, heard fulgor was going for 1 full and 2 full specs or so which I feel like is low
this is why im tryna farm for chests instead of bosses right now lol. too much of the good shit is on only a couple bosses
it used to be pulv, trident, maul and pulv
real
yea they switched things up a lil, all shields at bladehand now, all bows wyvern
even just farming piles is getting me good pvp. just wiped out a bard and a geared warlock on icecaves
it aint boss counters so its ont a pain aswell
that I knew, Kinda like that they changed GK drop, it was all garbage before
crystal sword fighter has been making my tip drippy this wipe
100% ms full plate is so sexy
I LOVE OCEANIA I LOVE CHASING AROUND FARMERS AND TEAMERS FOR LITTLE TO NO GAIN
oce is almost entirely chinese players from what ive seen :L
solo play its almost impossible play against a barb instead if you have a good good build =/
just parry them. alot of barb weapons are easy to parry
i was with bard last time, tried use my shield but just one hit took almost all my life and he was 172 hp haha its impossible
i dont mind it at all
dont use the shield its worse at blocking than the rapier is
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how much are gold chests roughly?
are nightmare demon bats bugged on their animation or was I just lagging? Each time one would rear back I would immediately get hit and knocked back before it's attack animation.
idk but that sounds like u have some packet loss maybe?
bro ive had like 30+ lichs in a row now what is this luck bro
player retention RNG
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well i didnt test rapier parry yet, i dont feel its realible but if you said it is... i'll try it someday
cock and golem drop rusty key right?
soooooo is new gobolin cave boss like impossible? lmao
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In Dark and Darker, the reason lobbies feel empty isn’t low player count — it’s fragmentation. Even with ~4,000 players, those players are split across regions, maps, modes, team sizes, and most importantly many parallel instances of the exact same queue. For example, instead of 4,000 players filling ~220 full 18-player lobbies, the system might run 700–1,000 separate instances due to continuous matchmaking and red portals creating brand new downstream dungeons. Simple math: 4,000 players ÷ 900 instances ≈ only ~4–5 players per instance on average. Then red portals and early deaths split those players even further across layers. So the game isn’t empty — it’s just spreading the same players across too many simultaneous dungeon instances, which makes each individual lobby feel underpopulated even when thousands are online.
what artifacts drop from gk
idk man I am fighting like 10 people a game atm
ironmace devs deserve to be homeless in detroit
anyone else experiencing this bug with warlord where he stands still in the middle of the arena when the dps phase starts ?
yes sometimes, I had a bug when at the start he TP out of the room and came back to do another phase 20 seconds after
im just starting to learn how to kill him and these bugs are killing me, kind of demotivating
if you get close to him he unbugs usually
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Is team killing bannable? a guy killed me and a random teammate right now, i got a clip of it, and his name
ohh he unbugged fs but he had so many stacks it just 1 tapped me couldnt move left or right because of crystals
So broken glasses...I know the imps drop em but can it be either ice or inferno imps? And do I have to be in HR been having a helluva time finding them in normals. Any tips appriciated
you can snipe them on market for 100k if you try hard enough
my tip is to farm copper, then sell it and buy the glasses. you’re welcome
Hmm suppose I could do that too. Just rather not waste all that money on em. Wildly expensive.
One run can get you 4k gold homie, that’s two glasses in itself
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Hmmmm perhaps I shall then. Wouldn't hurt to make some more money. Which modules have the best copper nodes? I don't GC often enough to know off the top of my head. I know I have seen alot though.
look up a interactive map tbh idk module names that well. just play hr tho
https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/maShPdXF0P3HC6GSJ?invite=cr-MSxhSDksMjUxMzE4MDg2 high fames... havent been banned yet??? ATP you guys ALLOw teaming. this is HR solos btw.... they killed GK together and mining together AND I HAVE THE CLIP OF REPORTING THEM
so they BETTER GET BANNED DOOKIE HAMMER
I don't think they spawn on Ice Imps currently. HR does help your chances massively. Inferno Imps are your best bet
He is sooo evill 

Someone explain to me why Warlord and Eredin from Witcher look the same
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So are we going to address the rampant cheating in norms yet or
wtf does this mean
Sub lvl 10-14 characters, no fame, full damage stats, never missing and just blatant esp
LOL I love getting run down by a barb while 3 chinese named clerics stand around watching him and standing in doorways so i can't leave XD
sounds like a circumstance you’d only find at an illegal fight club
More like a daily occurance on US west because it has zero moderation
Thank you Ill give it a shot
these big buff bouncers blocked me in a room with Prime Mike Tyson and here’s how i escaped
yea West is such a mixed bag compared to east it’s so odd
Anytime i play crypts on west it's zombie simulator.
if i had a nickel for every time a game made me grateful i live on the east coast
i could afford retirement i guess idk where i was going with that
i’d have a lot more than two nickels.
HR inferno i get glasses every 3 imps or so
@idle bramble you still here ?
I just wanna be able to get my mysterious potions without fighting 10+ people every lobby XD
Why
ohh i was gonna show the unique i got but i cant post it in here
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Post it in dnd screenshots
Yeah lucky you
what you think i should post it for no 9 strengths up
I really don’t know, I don’t run that kind of gear
what is it
posted it in #dnd-screenshots
that's a good bit of gear
mhmm mhhmm
Will we get a fix for the frame drop?
Legal wallhack prevention must be limiting frames or smt
how you get the spectral coin bag ?
been in the game for years
craft
or pile drop but i'm not sure
Is arena still only Thursday through Sunday night?
are normal bosses bugged? I keep getting hit by lich ball not the big one even when im moving fast around him with nothing around
i've been having that happen at close range gotta back up a bit
not sure
Then earlier I kept getting hit by the warlord minon teliport? I have never been hit by that in 6 seasons
I wish I had recorded the lich hit I lost a really nice set
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do magic prot pots work against lich circles?
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If there's no other matching 9 stats you can set a price and see what happens.
I sold a 9 reso bard hat for 15k. So yours Is worth significantly more than that
No, those circles always do % true damage
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What is the Fire Colossus' weakness?
where do i find the rotten lump?

wooooo another kit lost to a 180 hp barb I sure do love stat squishes that buffs barbs 😄
where do i find the green jewelry?
where do i find the mysterious potion from theyre like 20k on the market and i need 5?!
kill dreadspines in highroller
Dreadspines in inferno. Good luck
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I FUCKING LVOE FAUSTIAN!
how do i make cockatrice give me more gems? i have them fully upgraded does this thing just suck?
its once a day
so then it just sucks?
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anyone know how to fix my chat ? it cuts off text at the end
kill players
imagine givine like 1k worth of loot to an NPC so it can give you like 30g of loot each day lmao
its way more then 1k of loot XD
where can I report shit to the devs cause this can't be fair or balanced, I have this barb one shot and he literally just one taps me for free, 190hp (about 175 here) 50%pdr and I'm getting one tapped???
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I dont know if thats possible to 1 tap you unless the barb was truly giga geared. Or cheating. Was the barb geared or did it feel like cheating?
how do u farm mysterious potions
Kill it in hr. The dreadspine
thank ya, only one spawn right?
welcome to wreckless barb, it's BS af
Hmm I think 2. One above, and one below in a room. Youll have to look up the module names
Yes, it does. You can get more/better gems 7 min in water map than 1 week from cockatrice
according to ur clip u have 112 HP
Does Bard or Rogue have the highest Regular Interaction speed?
wreckless hit 75% armor pen hit, 3rd strongest hit of a BARDICHE, Barb was at 5% hp so he had MAX 30% phys dmg bonus for free and geared in legendarys
all that into you walking into that headshot
bro i need single player servers atp, every single pve i go into someone is fighting the troll/ cyclops, bro I NEED TO PRACTICE I CANNOT IF CHADS ARE GOING IN ALL SOCKETED OUT AND KILLING IT FOR SPORT
Imagine giving 1trilion of gold to religion that does not work
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I know what it was 
do it in normals, almost no one there
I thought it was ranger. Do you have those 3 classes created? Should be a simple check
Yeah I do, I just know bard has a skill for higher interaction and I'm not at my PC atm
You on blacksmith? Use the test server. Or go norms or pve or hr at a dead time, so there will be less people
What are you tryng to do?
on steam, its 3am with a major snow storm in the NA-E so anyone in NA-E that should be sleeping for work tomorrow is likely not lol
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Lowkey skill issue, you should have locked in and did 3 spins to disorient your opponent then 360 headshot dark bolted him, berserker is perfectly balanced 🙂
lk was expecting he having demon damage bonus
Tbh I think it’s just reckless with high strength and berserker
ye, the barb was kinda bis as well, but sheesh
At that point it’s your fault for playing in HIS dungeon 😭
@hexed adder open 15 golden chest quest is on the way. just a warning for the next patch before your DMs blow up
Faustain bargain biggest waste of dev time ever, nothing fun about it, used just for trolling
When will this game be out of early access?
cinema
thats kinda the thing about barb though after reckless attack came out
maybe he build headshot damage bonus armor pen so he gets 100% armor pen with reckless and can oneshot
never

When will druid be removed to make the game 1mil times better
also never
youll have to meet 2 million more panthers when fighting
we need more panthers to appear when were low hp🗣️ 🔥
they already nerfed the dog like 3 times give it a rest
@forest merlin give up the streaming bro
average eu player
you're self reporting if you still have issues with druids
^
I’ve died to Druid twice this wipe, but each time there was numerous things I could’ve done to simply avoid death. They’re finally balanced
Please be polite
any info on rogue/ranger reworks or workshops?
what day is arena
friday
in game says 3 days
technically friday is in 3 days and 14 hours, at least in gmt+1
game also tells you New training system in development. it's friday sir

ima be out of town this weekend why do they only do it on weekends
someone dm me all the lifeleaf spawns
you can start with: https://darkanddarkertracker.com/maps select from right Inferno, item filter, lifeleaf; it's kinda outdated but still stand
still the 8 modules have em, they werent removed.
Thank you sir
Graysun can u make the wiki
for what ?
this game genius
there's a wiki
is there bro where can i find arcane essence
it's random drop from diffrent mobs
When is colossus being toned down?
no theres actually 2 dedicated spawns on water map
can drop from almost any monster, most common drop from: deathskulls, mummies, wisps, turtles, piranhas, murlocs; source, I dreamt it
1 out of 3 deathskulls drop 1 atleast
go to dark and darker tracker if you want quest item loacation
bros changed everything about drops each season, it's kinda hard for 3rd parties to keep up. they need an official one fosho once early access ends
nop they just meme heal class
TM locks representation all time low also, it's barb/fighter season
+5, it will go fosho to +3 like most buffs
low key ranger/wizard season
on the lowest of keys
they are still getting w keyed by my fighter
i cant stop min maxxing normals shall I play HR
play herbal sense druid, these spawn in places you wouldn't think of searching and can be easily found that way
forgot about that didnt I
It will probably get a slight adjustment soon, but learning it now will just make it even easier later
I can consistently get to phase 3 but then i get lava spouted and i die lol
Those lava spouts do too much damage
The year is 2050. It's been over a decade and a half since the last confirmed solo hr fire colossus kill. Cinder hasn't been seen for over 10 years. Some doubt it ever existed in the first place.
I was about to say. I can get to phase 3 hitless nearly every time but the lava spouts are just too much and probably not working as intended
Hi Graysun 🙋
Maybe it would help, playing a class with higher MR ? or stacking MR whichever class you play
Yea it is bit strong right now 
I was told the spouts are true damage. Idk if it's true or not
At least you agree
Phase 3 colossus is bona fide cancer rn because of the fire puddle. The only guide I've seen to do it legitimately said the only way to do it was have 2nd wind and hope to damage check it.
If true, that is rough lol
The amount of people who have done it without cheese must be extremely low
I've seen one video of a guy doing it ONCE in HR but how many times had he failed before that? I'd like to know
Idk if this is reliable, but it almost looks like they behave the way cyclops rocks used to. I had the colossus slap me to the treasure room door and then multiple geysers spawned over at the treasure door. Just like how rocks would track you
Have not seen literally 1 kill even in norms solo. No videos either.
oh no! the 200 lockpicks i have sitting in my shared stash:
or just play rogue
for just said quest
the humble f2p:
(im not, but they cant just "play rogue")
buy the game lol
not everybody just has money to spare
can't complain when playing a demo
also ironmace lost a lot of trust when it was first removed from steam
so people are reluctant to purchase it
Golem HR is rough anyone got a good guide lol he spamms to much when 3rd faze.
Have you tried not getting hit? Jokes aside what is it that you're having problems with
we talked already rofl
if it's toned down icant wait to try again rofl
I think that's where most people are at with it
the fact that IM made the third phase complete RNG is hilarious lol
Elden ring bosses are more possible at winning lol
i dont think theres any rng to ER bosses tho no? you can react with i frames to everything
That was my point...
its literally a boss
that you circle around for 8 minutes, and its the hardest one in the game XD
soley because of RNG ground effect
W design
fire colossus releasing as a loot pinata then impossible after 1 buff tells me all I need to know about whether ironmace still plays their game
who is playtesting this stuff?
i refuse to believe they actually had people test run the boss for a few kills lol
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have the time or something. Lots of stuff in firedeep do nothing right now and the geysers don't even have sfx right now
i think part of the issue is that the telegraph for the lava spouts exists on the ground, I think without sound.
There are almost no scenarios in that boss fight in which your camera would be angled correctly to see the telegraph, since the boss is so large and you are typically looking up at it.
The changes made to the boss with the whole knockback etc. im unsure if they can be dodged or mitigated, 3rd phase already felt like a DPS check, having the puddles just made it feel rng based, puddles weren't really a solved problem before the change, people just had to get lucky when hugging the boss, if unlucky those puddles would end your shit quicker than you could react to em
atleast they spent a year buidling the water map
then again, i actually think the stingray is one of the cooler designed bosses
Tbh even if all they did was change the puddles to spawn around you instead of on top of you it would probably be fine. It's not like you get the luxury to stand still anyways
idk i wish the boss had a whole new pattern, circling him for 8 minutes is boring and just lame
I feel like the boss could be fought kinda like the cave troll, spacing the arms, gets harder in 2nd phase and 3rd phase, but it's adding puddles and now a knockback into the mix that mess with that IMO
nerf the spam of the boss lol he 180's slams al lthe time on 3rd faze
I like the idea. I also think bosses shouldn't be crazy involved unless iron mace wants to start putting ways to block the doors. If a boss is just wildly complex no one will do them because people will just third party and make it a mess.
idk why they added a knockback that affects you no matter where you are, which hits you into lava, lol
Which knock back?
idk maybe theres a jumping to avoid mechanic, i said no matter where you are
I don't know of any knock back no matter where you are
not no matter what
His double fisted slam only knocks you back if you're in front of him
when we were trying after the change, we were getting knocked back into the lava like crazy even on third phase, like sent us to other side of room when theres only so much space in the arena
felt entirely indiscriminate of positioning
i did him today and while behind him, i could jump the slam wave and not get knocked
The only knock backs I can think of are his stomp, his single slap, and his double fisted slam and all of them are dodgable
8hours of geting to 3rd faze for it to spam slam lol
mm, is a knockback that didnt exist before the boss got changed
I've only fought the boss after the change was done
Is it only me or is the HR downstairs of Goblincaves easier then normal Hr goblin..
just irks me that something seemingly added to avoid hugging boss, affects people like, in the correct positioning, got so many things to worry about, thrown fire, ground spouts and now a knockback lol
which attack brother
If it helps I know blocking and possibly crouching will stop you from moving back as much. His single slap basically wont even move you, but you'll still take damage
go fight it get to 3rd faze if u dont dps check u die from lava rofl
Unsure, regardless of if it's avoidable, I still think its a bit overdone, third phase was already hard, the hugging the boss cheese was a necessity IMO for third phase
mm appreciate it bro
you guys got footage of you killing/ getting the boss to third phase since patch?
I do find the knock backs interesting because you have a fair amount of control on how much they move you. If you know it'll hit you then you can use it to buy space to heal. Obviously for phase 1 and 2 mostly
I believe it'd prob be pretty ez to get to third phase, jump completing it is another story
LEts hope They change it ❤️ maybe 10% nerf rofl
his HP pool is crazy bro XDS
we would get to third phase in our early attempts (after patch) quite a lot, but never killed the boss
I can probably upload and post one of my better attempts if it wasn't deleted yet. Lemme see if I still have the file
you can dm it to me and thats fine :) thank youwu
but fr...
big giant boss you look up at
+
puddles that are telegraphed by ground effects
never gonna go well unless there's a mechanic where hitting the bosses feet nets more damage because why else would anyone be looking at the floor below them when fighting the giant rock
make everything else about the boss harder but tune those puddles pls ty
I'm almost certain they're going to add fire resist potions because the mushrooms are picked up on herbal sense and they mention heat resistant properties in the flavor texts. I was mildly hoping that would basically stop the damage
hopefully
you shouldnt need them though
you dont need water potions for stingray, why need the fire ones
Shouldn't! But I'd take that if nothing else
fair enough x3
I just believe there is no expecting any player to be able to simultaneously fight a boss and dodge its attacks while also fighting the ground which is never in sight during a well positioned boss attempt
lich circles work because they are massive and fill your field of vision, imo, not the small puddles tho
Where can I find ash pile ?
they are ground lootable containers in 2nd layer goblin caves in various modules, once you see what it looks like, you will easily be able to scout the rest of the map for more
Good things I’m already I’m 2nd layer gc
i fucking hate dying becouse i get antihealed by a random ass goblin mage
Thx u
mid fight
@gilded phoenix you're in luck I do have a clip saved still. Just waiting for it to upload now. I'll dm you once it's done
Does anyone have an Image of the Current Armour Rating Curve?
not that deep bro
What stats affect swimming again?
Nerf rogue
Movement Speed so Agility
does anyone know how Shield Mastery the perk works?
i fucking love it when my footstep passive bugs out
and it just shows me the wrong shit
what do you mean by works? it just gives 50% action speed for a second or two after a block
but it doesn't display as a buff
is demon grip gloves and the demon pants leathersmith or tailor?
or do i need to do both?
its one of the few things that dont, but it works. most of the time. its just as buggy as disarm and any other on block effects right now though
Does it still work after I swing my sword?
it works for whatever your next action is. so attacking or blocking
Is workshop going to see the light of day or is it going to be another infinitely in-development feature?
the latter
it does not work for weapon swings
i can guarantee you that it does
it most definitely does not, it works for riposte but no basic attacks.
i will bet you your weapon is being stunned too long for the attack to come out. block an attack with your character sheet open and you can literally see the action speed jump up and how long it lasts for
0 mathes on s2r? 8min wait atm
hey guys is there a wipe coming up soon? sorry i know this is an annoying question but me and some mates want to start getting into the game and i couldnt find a clear answer
no, its usually every 3 months and i dont think we're even a month in yet for this season
okay awesome thanks :)
and if you dont believe me then use perfect block, block and then attack
yea it works for sword and board too, that’s how you get the super fast first swing
Thats actually crazy I never knew that since they nerfed impact resist and ive never played fighter before this season, very good info thank you sir learning something new about after 1500 hours is rare
to think I could have been abusing this the whole time
wiped like on the 30th of january we still got a while to go
I thought it was input based off the right click which is why it worked with riposte so well but nope they don't know how to code even that xD
Giving everything a riposte has broken impact and impact resistance. The riposte window is based on how long your weapon is "knocked away" so having more impact resistance hurts your ability to riposte and having higher impact helps your opponent. Not to mention riposting has always ignored the stun timer. The whole thing irks
Eh i feel like its been like this for several seasons ever since they nerfed desync blocking
not just this season
It always has been. But it was at least limited to a few weapons designed for it
i have too much gold and not enough storage sad day man im too cheap to buy bigger storage
60 pouches just isnt enough
that's a you problem and solutions are all over the place
Make better pouches
like i siad im too cheap
I said make, not buy. Just farm the ingredients yourself
Not cool😠
We got kanye over here
calling it as i see it dude they are rich and dont spend money
can we nerf halberd ?
can we nerf fighter why is jack of all trades class dominating
Workshop when?
Isn't ye reformed now

Idk man fighter chat is convinced fighter is weakest class in game. Pretty sure you are wrong man
I heard he apologised to the Jewish people
Isnt there any way to push the dealmakers affinity faster?
hey guys where do you get tidestone ore?
queue up solo's with a friend and they heal while you hit them
how do i open an iron door?
lockpick or key
stingway room after you kill it or i thought there was somewhere else on water ap
anyone know how to open the dwarven stone door
you can get lucky for some nodes to spawn in the middle but it’s not guaranteed
Bard probably needs a rework
master of all trades perk bro its as simple as that
lowkey remove charismatic performance ❤️
they should make less instruments viable, less songs viable, skills viable. also just the playstyle: the control, the damage, the move speed
"gimme a class with nothin"
bard already has the problem of "fuck theres no skills or perks worth running other than these 4 and double spell wheel"
distonance is pretty good
what's the new magma boss name ? I don't even know and i would like to check his artifacts, but without a name i can't hahaha
collosus
thanks
noprob
if encore refreshed all buffs, it would see play. bard would be super helpful on colossus to refresh dwarf shrine buffs
but since it does ONLY bard buffs, which you could simply reapply yourself because... YOU'RE A BARD
encore is useless
he drops axes and cinder
collosus ? hmm i like cinder, but not the axes tbh
it just needs a rework. i personally think if 1 instrument could play all the songs that would be sweet
i didnt mean to send that as a reply tbh
i would love to be able to farm stringray, i love all his drops, but i can't seem to learn him properly :/ i'm unable to recognize his attack ques
youre not missing out. most bosses are highly contested points of interest around the clock 24 hours of the day
Buff penguin
they should make bard a support character and not like a frontline 55pdr 302ms 45as beast
well, i play in south america, me and my friends have been farming bladehand, we did atleast about 30 to 40, and we see people that do or try string ray a bit under 50% of the time
bard also puts up insane damage numbers and is super fast
buddy does a lil bit too much damage
thats why i said 302ms and 45as my friend
we are farming bladehand bc there is less pvp, but he only drops shields :(, not the greatest of artifacts
Noticed bard mains saying bard is weak now, surprised u guys say it's strong
watch out for the chinese gamers
really all im saying: it needs a rework
Aegis is my favorite
we got an aegis so far, i think delirium is the most expensive of the three tho
haven't got the other 2 yet
i mean money is money, it comes and goes
yeah, we are trying to get some artis to trade for our desired ones, we want trindent ( for me ) and cinder for my friend but i think they are too expensive, we will need a thousand shields lol
do i make this spectral coin bag
I really wish bard had more speed when playing songs, i want to play caster bard
Other than that bard is just ranger
i miss the days when artifacts weren't common
knowledge
everyone who plays a class says its weak so they feel more justified in playing it duh
I played bard for a bit, its NOT weak, its very versatile class, but instead of relying on skills like fighter it relies on songs
In squire id say bard is even strong agaisnt other classes
Because of shriek working so good against squire gear people
dude are we deadass i just said bard is strong like a message ago😭
I dont read what i dont see straight away when opening discord
shrieks ass in gear if ur using it for anything other than warsong procs or pve ur throwing
Thats what i said exactly
Its good only in squire lobbies
Since geared people have lots of strenght and armor
30 armor rating is pretty significant, depending on where they’re at on the curve it could be like -3% pdr or more
3% is nothing
Like 1-2 more damage
imo shriek’s stickiness is the stronger factor than the debuff itself. extremely easy to apply and lasts a long time
18 seconds yeah, pretty decent
3% is the floor against highly armored targets around 300
shriek should only last 10 seconds 
Hell naw
12 is alright but 10 is too less though
Ive played bard i know what im talking about vro
cap
vro
I do think playing bard for a few days indeed gives me right to speak these words sir.
Im not sticking to one class though
if anything playing the class makes me trust the gauge less 🤣 more likely to think it’s balanced
Bard needs more songs
To choose from
And more perks
youre talking to a wizard bro
anyone wanna do normals in castle?
perks I can get behind lol. Maybe 1 more song per instrument. gimme more weird ones like dissonance
Id like that yea
Also id loved if the songs were longer but more useful
Buff penguin
i fucking hate these bots in trading channel that try to snipe 2 part trades
its really annoying
POV people starving in 3rd world countries:
How are you guys still doing 2 part trades in this economy?
not the first weak of the wipe when you dont have knowledge and survival bow
imagine doing 2 part trades
nothing better than min maxxing normals and just abusing people in voip
feel like homelander
as long as sweats are willing to inflate cost of items to that extend, it'll keep being a thing
Why do you get cobalt when you mine copper.... is it that hard to
the mining guy got fired
yea right
you sure your mining copper?
yes he is bro its a common glitch
well its orange and it says copper
I get it all the time
i dont play gc unless im doing quests so idk what bugs are on it
My friend was mining iron and got cobalt yesterday
so you have no rings
i have gold. so i buy stuff for rings
ewwwww
im not
usually centipedes, but also some beetles and a dragonfly or two 
bros a market needer
i just fucking hate getting traded by the bots while im trying to trade
its really annoying
just as annoying as reporting someone for cheating and the next day it says temporary ban
i make a couple thousand a game easily as a squire kit warlock doing pvp. i dont need to play a map i dont like when i can just roll people in hr
like ban the cheating forever wtf
break down a couple thousand per game on squire kit bro
bro saying anything
anywhere from like 1k from only looting to like a few thousand from killing people who have some gear on. i cant predict how dead or geared my lobby is gonna be
if I saw you in game you would leave with nothing
the really geared warlock i saw yesterday prob thought the same. sadly i still have his gear
tell that to my fighter flag
ooo your gonna buff your hp. more of it for my demonlock to steal :)
depends on what your using and where i am. sometimes i use a halberd or longsword
Bros just a rage baiter ignore him😭
😋
if demon lock was actually meta i wouldve seen more then 2 of them this wipe
and id face tank you while healing
id face tank you with a flag and min maxxed fighter
no idea what servers your on but the warlocks im seeing are plate casters with boc
all warlocks I see on EU are demon health farmers
I see tons of demon locks in arena
yeah you got some weird version of EU then
theres 1 EU bro
ive seen more in arena then i have in the dungeons but still not that many
ive probably killed you 5 times already
It’s straight cheese tho which is crazy they are unreasonably tanky
dont tell him hes cheesing bro
yeah ik. why u think i use it. im using dark offering aswell but mainly when im messing around
zero bonking then
Why are the bans only temporary
i has stick
hmmm acceptable
Why is my enforcer status still at 0% after all those bans
can’t afford to lose their dying player base
why am i swinging when i move things in my inventory
enforcer rating barely seems to work. ive gotten a couple bans this wipe and the "guilty" side aint gone up
SDF farded on the server
What is far ded
ive adopted the DAD tag i may be fully back
Why is the fps in this game so low
Legal wallhack prevention
my pc suck but i know people with good comp that gets 60fps when there is people fighting
yeah dark is like diablo 2
my game runs well? im normally at above 200 frames
are you playing us east
EU
someones us east. depends who im playing with
would rather not touch that map if i dont have to
well ruins has no pvp
Yo how do we get unique jewellery this season?
what are your PC specs?
unique essance
a fried cpu with a 3060
it does. im normally in atleast one fight a game

with 16 gb ram of dotshit
I prefer wiping first floor of gobln
@shrewd plume I think you found your own problem.
I’m guessing we can craft them now
A Cpu that isn’t fried
what cpu?
so aside from amount of hits, are some piles "luckier" then others thought i heard glocktane mention something along those lines in his luck testing, also can you pull chests from normal piles? Just curious since I pulled a bag yesterday
look up a windows 10 or 11 debloater, run that to make everything run better. in game settings turn all graphics to low or medium, resolution 1920x1080, anti aliasing off and render scale to like 70. should fix everything
I strongly reccomend turning off anti aliasing if your having performance issues related to cpu
for now. a worse monitor unless you got a ton of money saved up
well DnD is memory intensive game more than a cpu intensive game so rendering scale and AA would be my go to. also recommend every debloat their pc
I had a consistent stutter till I turned off my AA, im on an i5 7600k, 3060 ti, 32gb ddr4
can someone kill warlord/lich for me ?
how do i get uncommon accessory's when rings/neck dont drop in dungeon for the quest??
my sister
yo it is so easy to gear diff this wipe LOL
the insane difference between max rolled w/ vigor vs without is insane
like this guy was skill diffing me and I still killed him in 3 hits
I don't need to be skilled
🙏
You skill diffrd him in kit building lol
Buff penguin
All I did was buy a few more diamonds
To stat vigor and strength
Hell yeah maybe that guy will learn to build better kits now
its insane how some people just think building 40-50% pdr will help when they don't even break 130 hp
Yup it aint gonna help if you cant survive a few hits to begin with
also while on the topic, reckless barb is kind of insane a little too
I've 3 shot geared players simply because of it
First hit does like 75%
on headshot
Last two to finish
fighter, bard, barb
build hp and pdr just comes with it too
30 additional armor rating on cloak
the 80 will wiz of doom
THANK YOU
ive only once ever made barb max magic res
I got my ass beat by a fighter
Its like rock paper scissors
you just need the right balance to hit the optimal EHP
It was a few wipes ago
When sorc was added
a big problem is also this bullshit
where you can get a religion that gives 10% free magic pen
Give us 5% armor pen
you can easily hit 100% on barb anyways
95% on first hit in squire
105% in squire*
Everything fine now?
downloading winhance for debloating rn
what were the chances to get a trolls pelt like 3 seasons ago, or did it ver change?
Buff penguin
10% for troll pelt
Don’t run luck it decreases chance since it’s a rare item
@steel salmon
shit went down bra trollpelts do not drop
luck don't even work to begin with
gm @drifting scaffold 🫂
ive killed that fuck 8 plus times not gotten the drop, do a single fuck it pull from a pile and pulled a bag lol
ive killed 20+ trolls this season, only SEEN 1 pelt drop. my feeble, slow, sorc fingies couldn't grab it before the 150% reg int speed bard unfort
those gold gooblers are fast
35 kills and 2 pelts
5% drop this season, sounds like
demigod twice over and this dog boss does NOT drop a pelt i have a row of tbloods brhh
suicidal gameplay
most of my kills happened before they put troll blood back on him lol. I only got 3
So for the Arena, is it like before whereby you bring in items that were "found" by your specific character to ensure nothing is lost
nothing is lost. you can bring anything up to epic, doesn't need to be found/crafted by you
Troll sucks to fight rn. Goyium bards are ruining the game
Oh so I can bring in absolutely anything and not lose it? Regardless if I found, crafted or took someone elses kit?
I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND you keep an epic SSF arena kit stashed just in case. There hasn't been a season yet without an SSF change midway
im just making my arena kit SSF anyway becuase I know its coming
SSF?
solo self found... "has to be found by you" restriction you're talking about
Also another question, when it use to be like that you had to find it on your character, what if I found warlock loot found by my fighter, can that be shared
Or does it have to be found on my warlock to be safe
i thought you only sit in the gathering hall?
per-character
when it is "SSF Arena", you have to find/craft it on the character that is using it, or it will disappear when you lose.
its not SSF right now, but that doesn't mean it won't be in a month
keep some good self-found epics
Of course but I can still wear them currently now, without losing it,. Just dont take into raid
not the barbs or the fighters?
anyone else dropping 30fps in menu/stash/opening inventory ingame after couple hrs? feels like some game related memory leak
fr lmao I took reg interaction religion so ive had to give in and now have a 190% reg build , shits so bad
Shame arena opens then cl;oses
Yeah man it’s aids
Barb and Fighter are finally in a good place right now.
The game is getting back into it's roots and shedding it's Kite and Kiter gameplay finally
bark
good place is when i three tap everyone that aint got 140hp 45pdr
just wanted to thank whoever made a character named littlestjeff01 made me chuckle
kids are smoking the coronavirus
there are options about menu using or not gpu might be it
i know my settings change all the time without me know it
🃏🎲🎰LETS GO GAMBLING!🎰🎲🃏
~-ADD POKER-~
How it works:
When 2 players with ranged weapons face off (any bow, any spell focus, any throwable) they both have the option to "join poker" If both players accept, they are teleported to the poker table, where they immediately bet their souls and have to play 1 round of Texas Hold 'em. The loser immediately dies and the winner has 10 seconds of free looting before both bodies are teleported back to their original locations
Pros:
-Gambling (in a more clear and intuitive way)
-Side strafe scuffery avoided
-Healing utilities preserved
-a moment of rat-free looting
Cons:
-Development cost
-Rats complain
Littlestjeff1 was taken already it seems
I get 3 tapped in 60% pdr before this wipe so yes it's better
add a zone where GIVE IT ME - timbaland plays 24/7 theres no fighting, only expressive dance with VR and motion capture
think i've gotten pelt like 5 or 6 times in maybe 15 kills lol
im going to strangle youz
I just killed a funny fighter in gravyeard normals and he was geared
blues=/=geared
I tried to give him free epic log but he decided to backstab me
Blues are worth some cash though
MAKE ARENA 24/7
blues are more expensive than gemmed purples lol
Im wasting from 4 to 10k on blue bis kit
Exactly
idk what purples you're looking at for that to be the case with arena... lol
definitely not 3-3-3 att rolls
in norms it is
squire kit can demolish blues, it's basically nothing
squire kit can demolish legendries if the player is good enough
for norms. full blue is geared
before when we had the +1 all, 3 stats cobalt, and true phys, (people would gear check u w MS barb or rogue) the chance of beating a geared player in norms while u were im squire gear were slim but now they are pretty good
even gemmed blue kits might get fucked up by a headshot parry at the right time
Also what madman is gemming Agi on all the leggo dark leather leggins x.x stop it
people who think agi is still worth stacking
so when they nerfed all barbs weapons parries, they forgot quarterstaff kinda no
The parries were more a nerf for fighters and warlock then barb
or was it alreaady 125 / slow
ah really i didnt see it that way but i guess action speed double axe fighter coulda been busted
Fighters have a perk that lets attacks come out with +50% AS
Paired with how fast the parries were coming out, they were lightning fast
Bards are for soyboys
what does the final goldsmith quest unlock? the newest ones?
arggghhh so many good legendaries for my fighter kit bricked by AGI gems
thats what boofDev consistency gets you
People out here ruining 3/3 dex/str rolls with +1 agi gems
Guys, does Holy purification not hit people anymore?
or di need a perk or what ever, or is it only pve now
Holy Purification only ever hit people for brief period when they had the skele skin equipped years ago
so whats the spell celric does that slows/dmges people/players?
Earthquake/Locust swam, Any holy damage w/ faithfullness
Judgement for abilities
isnt the faithfulness just for attacks not spells?
Any divine damage
which module is the fire lizard in
bottom left can have upwards of 5 top left i'e seen max of 2
thx
you have to fight an Ifrit for bottom left if you aren't careful
I’m pretty sure it’s not a static map? The elevator has been in diff spots some rounds
Nerf ranger
Now that ranger can use quiver and land more shots due to the reduction of everyone's move speed the class is able to outperform in every aspect and is over tuned for the current state of the game Adding bow sway to every bow varying on aggressiveness based on bow damage is a way to fix this
as an example having long bow sway start after having a fully drawn bow for 3 seconds this will then start moving your mouse as if you are unable to keep holding a 190lb draw on a bow indefinitely allowing for melee and range to be closer to similar in terms of balance and skill requirements to play the class
the pure irony that we go full circle so quickly lol
frontline is strong -> mages are popular -> people go ranger to counter mages
any ideas on how i can quickly clear lich's goons with sorcerer?
Flamewall + lightning storm?
please god just hotfix the collosus
yo where can i find the uncommon accesorys for the squires quest
@proven tundra Off a dead player's body
Gotchu o7
bow sway? removal of indefinite bow-draw? while that entirely makes sense, would work, and has a reason for existing in every other game with bows..... this is boof and goofer! silly gooose, the beginning and end to any sort of character stamina implementation is water map! the sprint/stamina system exclusive to the water of water map! thats it! thats all were getting!
Pve mode
impossible
you can ONLY obtain looted uncommon jewelry from another player currently
Will not happen. There is a bug in the game that lets you kill colossus with let's just say extreme ease, so much so @hexed adder Had to make an appeal to people to stop abusing it. This is still in the game a week later and killing colossus legitimately is currently approaching impossible as a solo. Under these circumstances, they still have not pushed out a hotfix. Best thing you can do is wait for the biweekly patch and pray to God that the fight is actually doable solo without sdf breaking something again
🥺
Nerf ranger
Now that ranger can use quiver and land more shots due to the reduction of everyone's move speed the class is able to outperform in every aspect and is over tuned for the current state of the game Adding bow sway to every bow varying on aggressiveness based on bow damage is a way to fix this
as an example having long bow sway start after having a fully drawn bow for 3 seconds this will then start moving your mouse as if you are unable to keep holding a 190lb draw on a bow indefinitely allowing for melee and range to be closer to similar in terms of balance and skill requirements to play the class
atp fuck colossus. he can rot in that stupid volcano
fix him, don't fix him, who cares
can you not whisper players anymore?
Damn so the game is back huh?
Bro I need to buy these 7 lads to run through the lobby stomping all the timmies
odds anyone will ever make a p server of this game and base it like on a patch 2 years ago? this game has gotten progressively worse every patch over the last few years. literally in the dumpster now. p server would be so lit. game was SOOO much better before garbo mace added all their signature touches to it
Only problem with him is final phase
first two are a piss take
?
Please do the colossus, it drops LaD, I need them to be cheaper
NO U
I did like 120 of them, dropped nothing…
Is there a cap on armor pen?
I will go learn the fire giant
Good luck good sir!
W wipe
Nope
peak delusion, game was in a terrible state 2 years ago. you just had no idea how easy it was to abuse back then
the new boss cant be done
this guy did
whens new quests coming out ?
is there a way to kill him or you just fill the inventory with heals
you pray to RNGesus the lava splashes on phase 3 are merciful. they aren't. you die. you go next.
there has to a better way this is just stupid
so no one knows gotcha
always on Thursday
how about some new content and not unecessary number rework and making 2 classes completely broken? how about dat?
SAme rogue named Afate teamkills every game and isnt banned, isnt that amazing
Nerf bows in the game
Now that everyone can use quiver and land more shots due to the reduction of everyone's move speed the weapon is able to outperform in every aspect and is over tuned for the current state of the game Adding bow sway to every bow varying on aggressiveness based on bow damage is a way to fix this
as an example having long bow sway start after having a fully drawn bow for 3 seconds this will then start moving your mouse as if you are unable to keep holding a 190lb draw on a bow indefinitely allowing for melee and range to be closer to similar in terms of balance and skill requirements to use the weapon
has it been said if there will be a use for ultimate gems yet? seems kinda weird to have the highest rarest tier be useless.
No official announcement but i'd be saving them
eh they were useless last time we had these uniques too
where is the ash pile? for the quest ? i rarely go down to infeno in goblins
1 druid, 2 rogues, 3 warlocks, 6 bards, 8 clerics, 13 barbs, 15 rangers, 24 wizards, 28 fighters make up the warlord rank
that fits about perfectly with the popularity of each class, maybe swapping wizard and barb
Surprised there's no Sorcerers up there
i was too
youd think one sorc would be determined enough
top sorc is only like 60 points away tho
and only 8 sorcs in vanq lol
yikes
And he ain't even a real druid 😔
I decided to play goblin caves, i got thirdpartied by a rogue
Rip another 5k gold kit
Thats unfortunate
I guess instead of fighting ill just third party people
I couldve beat him but i was basically 2 hits for him
Less than half hp, and im a barb
Cant do much about it in the situation i was in.
What class was he?
Rogue with hide and rupture
everybody and their mother running bardiche, he might have just missed lol
U gotta listen
No
I got killed before the hit registered i think
I did listen, but i was fighting a fighter
2 and i died
and u were already in a fight so not full?
Yes i was less than half hp
yea
Like 40 hp i think or less
what are u confused about
Im confused about the rogue being a rogue
well thats still on u lol
what is your complaint? lol
that third partying is annoying? or that a rogue zapped your 40 hp in two hits
Third party is annoying
been that way since before this game even existed
Cool
So what do i do to get a good fight and not die to third party? I third party myself?
its why i hate solos and just go duos or trios. surving third parties is actually much easier with a team, solos its like gg
I dont have a team
but best advice is if you hear another player nearby while ur fighting u should reposition
Sdf, would you be willing to revert torture mastery back, but just make it 1 hp you recover instead of 2? That way you really need to build alot of magic healing for it to be op?
can you get a gold coin bag from a pve teasure pile, i know you can in norms
whats the point of pub stmping in full blues when no one else has gear?
ego
why complain about wearing no gear into normals when u can just go squire?
same thing but diff
If you can why wouldn't you? Gain an advantage and win, unless you like losing.
people are so clueless bro lmfao
"im naked in HR why is everybody wearing BIS?!?!?!?"
not complaining literally just asking a q. fairly new to the game im wondering if theres something im missing
Its quite easy to make gold this wipe too, so buy a nice blue kit
did u not read? normals is capped to blue gear, squire to riches is capped at white
just go to squire if ur complaining about getting stomped by people in blue
damn bro who hurt you? lol he said he wasn't complaining and you're still going in on him. chill tf out guy
wow reading reading comprehension is a lost art i guess. I'm asking if theres are a reason why theyre in blue like for a specific boss or something
and here you are trying to get some upvotes like youre on reddit trying to be funny. alright neck beard
brotha i gave u the answer ur looking for , but ur upset
go to squire to avoid you thinking blue gear diff is why u lose
or just go in with gear and win?
literally not the point. do me a favour and send me your cranium dimensions i gotta study you
thats always an option too lmao
brother.... you are in here asking "why does everybody wear the gear that specific mode allows them to wear?" and MY cranium needs studying? lol
yet again you fail to comprehend the root cause of the question.
they. are. wearing. blue. to. win.
maybe instead of spending this time complaining about getting beat you could be spending it getting better at the game
Guys, I killed the Warlord, but Quest still not completed. Bugged?
and if they are wearing blues then you can beat them you just actually have to be good at the game
pub stomping in blue gear is hilarious bro
fr as if blue is gear diff. MAYBE if its actually perfect blues but theres zero chance that guy even knows what bis is
i mean i have beat many people in greys and they had blues on
one of my fave things to do lol
its literally just a skill issue
we go trios in nothing and roll it over
exactly
Someone knows something?
im not sure
did u by chance kill it with others who were NOT on your team?
yes, one guy, but he died before
maybe try close and open game?
I definitely did the last hit
boss kills count for whole team still right?
so yea @royal grove seems like u shoulda got it
I will try
its prolly just a delay
Hm, restart didnt fix. Guess I will just try the boss again
what opens the dwarven door?
theres no boss killing gear. theres no mechanical variation outsude of magic vs physicsal damage. thats pretty much it, you either max your damage or resistance, magic or physical. its a numbers go up game. even tho its a first person game, the loot plays more like tabletop DnD, its just numbers go up. theres some interesting artifacts like illusory, but even then, most of them only have the special and unique effect of more damage
there’s a special level 2 mystic gem for it (according to someone else in chat)
huh? who drops it
first floor gem doesnt work on it??
as far as I know it’s a different gem that drops in floor 2 locked chests
so must be gem from miniboss drops?
i dont even know that damn map yet are there minibosses? lol
no it doesn’t drop from mini boss anymore, just like the keys in crypts it drops off high end chests
2 yea
ah i see i see
but I never got any
so its prob locked chests tbh
do crypts minibosses not drop keys anymore? i didnt really notice that
feels like i got a gk from a champ recently
yea this wipe they changed that
i did notice a plethora of them in the special chests
actually yea now that i think ive barely hit gk rooms this wipe
Would yall rather uniques have 5 rolls or 6, whatever. And artifacts just have 1 big roll? But maybe you can socket them? Or they only roll 3x but it could possibly be a useless roll?
yeah lockpicks are more important now than ever
anyone wanna stream for me while im at work?

Is running 2 of the same class still banned in HR
yes
tell me why the pve gamemode is even on servers i just went in and got a bunch of fucking loot then the game decided to disconnect me while surounded by enemies. yeah lets not remove you from the instance and if you dont return before the match ends you just die and lose everything
the only fun game mode in this game is Arenas i stg open that shit all week ironmace please
arena makes me want to blender my hands no lie
how do you make the most fun game mode then gatekeep it 4 days a week lol whos in charge over theere
is matchmaking class-related? I feel whenever I go play bonk wizard for goofy fun i end up encountering a different sub-set of people
was there any change in this regard
?
anyone knows player hkvc3 ? dm me pls
no its mmr rating and different class combos dominate different levels
Hey uhhh anyone knows how to link twitch with my dark and darker that i have on my steam account?
Don’t listen to them, been playing 3 years. Every time you change a perk or a skill youl get the counter for that :example put on iron will, won’t see a wiz or sorc for 2 hours, take it off then it’s all you see. Shadow counter pick Queues
this is true i have 5.6k hours played since alpha \
yep, i felt like that, but I don't always get the "counter" class. Sometimes i've got a bunch of rogues after not seeing one in tenths of games
Glad y’all see the light 🙏🏽
Guys anyone tell me please tier list for pvp?
Love how IM took out whisper to other players. Fighters needed all the buffs they can get for sure
Keep playing easy classes kids

why do we have like every craft on leathersmith but nothing on tailer lol
They're really gatekeeping quest
wow the mysterious potion costs almost 16k per, and you need to turn in 5? actually insane
Lookup the tear of the volcano, you'll need 10. Lmao
HAHAHAHA wow i guess im not doing that quest
So accessories don't drop anymore? So the squire quest I have to loot accessories off of players?
I found a ring in HR do they only drop in HR
there's no way in hell i would be caught dead buying quest items the week the quest drops
just asking to get ripped off x100
why is a blue fucking ring 1000 gold dawg wtf and to craft it u need to farm shit for 5 hours
can someone kill warlord/lich for me ?? 
blue ring? tf you need 5 hours for bud it's 1 inferno run for the str or vig ones
crash out over the epic ones sure epic essence is hard to come by... but blue???
u get killed all the time and lose ur quest items easily cus everyone plays barb
HR watermap makes like 3k per 10min run. I don't see the problem. Or get the crafting stuff yourself in 2 PvE runs (1 to inferno for leaf 1 to water for essence)
yea epic essence would be hard to come by in pve but def not the blue one
Can you play cleric?
Hey guys I just finished my goldsmith questline with the mysterious potions and I thought I would be able to craft legendary amulets now? But nothing is showing up is that a glitch or is it just not possible to craft them? What is even the point of finishing the quest line those mysterious potions are insane to get.
it's on a refresh timer, updates like every 30min on the hour or something. Give it a bit
Gotcha crashO thank you
a blue ring is some copper an essence and silver or cobalt it is not that hard to craft
give it a lil while he gotta refresh
is there a rule against trade channel scamming?
i keep getting people tryna swap their stuff
My report numbers turned yellow
How'd you get them
what bosses drop what named items this wipe?
played game daily for 6 days. still no blue rarity gold candle holder. still cant turn purple into huntress. the quests in this game are endlessly annoying.
nope
all of em except for troll and cyclops their nameds only spawn in the middle room
Can we please fix this bullshit of pdr not working properly?
161 hp, 75% pdr, dead in 4 hits to a rogue lol
armor pen vro❤️
I'm still pretty sure something isn't working properly between the two
fighters will attempt to facetank everything and act surprised when someone tankbusts them
did he hit you with weakpoint?
You're telling me a stillito dagger w/ weak point lets a rogue 4 tap me at 161 hp?
sorry boss you will learn spacing
Dog, rogues are face tanking -fighters- lol
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Rogues are legit just W keying into plate users right now
i mean tbh my default assumption is people that complain in discord are usually bullshitting, so, yeah, outplayed unless you post a clip
im also not playing the game rn
Bro just walked into me and stabbed me 4 times lol
brethren..... what weapon are you using....
high phys power bonus + weakpoint + dagger mastery + thrust should absolutely let you kill a fighter face-to-face
so he def had armor pen and weakpoint. did you look at his build in spectate or are you just assuming something else?
My report numbers turned yellow
hii
Open the arenas, all day every day!
My report numbers turned yellow
Yes
Rogue is very much busted rn
If said fighter is focusing solely on HP and PDR, they should be able to eat more then 4 hits, or one hit if it's a barb lol, SOMETHING is not mathing correctly between the abilities
rogue is op needs nerf
160/4 = 40
No matter the class a rogue can legit full kill someone in 4 stabs or less
Youd be dead in one hit from me brotha i run bardiche reckless barb
you and every other barb congrats
I get like 50+% phys power
Whats the point of pdr fighter then?
To tank arrows from rangers?
litereally zero point right now lol

have you tried hitting the glass cannon rogue on his dainty little head and crumpling him
Now this is the exception to the whole rogue thing
Look cool, aura farm for a little bit, and then keel
But if I were to run silence gg
dont come here for advice @crisp bobcat
Ah yes, the one swing i get in his 4
Oh damn, they know now...
Im no longer a human in this chat
Rogue silence goes crazy when every class is 4 stabs to kill

the one swing with the long ass weapon that outranges a rogue multiple times over yeah that weapon yesyes
100cooked
You can't tell me it makes any sense to focus being TANKY and have zero tankiness
Is rapier ass on rouge or naw
its peak
Exactly sir
I have silenced barbs and lived to tell the tale
the riposte is lovely
I'm pretty sure there is something mathing incorrectly between armor pen/PDR right now
Fighter needs to play into parry/riposte, tanking hits and face trading is out of fashion
Rapier tumble op actually