the-tavern

[coral tide]

just a game of trigger nades and third person peaks

and everyone using the same gun, have like 50 venators in my stash

[timber orbit]

why do you have 50 of that gun in the stash when the kettle has been dominating for more than a month now?

[lean osprey]

Kettle my beloved

[coral tide]

havent played in like a month

and every time i got a kettle i jus sold it

[gaunt oracle]

buff entangling vines

[timber orbit]

makes sense, yea everyone’s been abusing kettle because you can abuse the fire rate with scroll wheel clicking to have the lowest ttk of any gun in the game by a mile

[coral tide]

and if a gray gun is dominating the meta thats even more goofy lolz

[timber orbit]

it’s corny ash but kettle stitcher and trigger nade are all being nerfed within the next week

[flat harness]

Thats why wardens play it 😈

[coral tide]

i was always renegade toro idc but even then the game got stale

[mystic anvil]

[coral tide]

haha true

[timber orbit]

i don’t think many of the wardens are gonna come out and say they aren’t uncs

[timber orbit]

toro strong as fuck but promotes the boring stale corner sitting 3rd person meta, so i try to avoid it

[coral tide]

unfortunately its all the game really is so its why i avoid playing it

[timber orbit]

my favorite guns rn are the Vulcano and the Burletta because i’m built different

[coral tide]

especially when all my friends wanna do is run stella montis

burletta is goated

[timber orbit]

@tired shard 👴

[coral tide]

they think it makes them like labs players on tarkov

[timber orbit]

sorry had to ping the stella montis unc

[timber orbit]

labs fun as hell to run on Tarkov but it’s not the same as stella imo

[coral tide]

not at all

i do love a good labs run, hate the third person hallway peak hell on stella

[timber orbit]

i think that’s why all the PvP gravitated to the areas with the most outplay potential and least hallways like medical

nobody wants to fight in a dumb tight hallway where one kid sitting at a corner with a vulcano can mow down an entire civilization while taking maybe 10 total damage

[coral tide]

fair enough

[coral tide]

yea ts is the most stupid stuff ever

[timber orbit]

i think when you put it between a healthy mix of other maps stella can be a good time but when it’s all you queue game after game it becomes obnoxious

their supposed spawn fix didn’t change much because most people have all of the spawns committed to memory already

it’s not like stella montis has a very sophisticated spawning system, people will still spawn behind you within one minute of you leaving your spawn room

[split island]

has the game changed since water map update?

[subtle rose]

It has less players

[warm fable]

🍽️

[clever cloud]

they made it where you cant play with your friends in arena. game is so dead people are talking about Arc Raiders in the main chat here in discord. thats about it. make or break season btw (devs words not mine)

[warm fable]

no way game is dead at the end of the season 🤯

[neon kite]

@flat harness All in all it wasn't about the market place it was you defending the rmt and cheating and teaming.GG THO

[waxen parrot]

can anyone tell me why my game is stuttering when i cast or do anything?

[clever cloud]

season 8 will bring everyone back!

[sour mantle]

Are we still getting the same end of season event?

[neon kite]

Good GaMe

[dusky shard]

does someone know if u really loose your gear in the hardcore arene event when u get defeated?

[clever cloud]

#📢announcements message

the man said it himself

hmm seems he may have edited the part out about losing gear?

[coral tide]

lmfao it seems like he did

[subtle rose]

Shouldn't lose gear in arena anyway, its the whole point of it existing

[coral tide]

exactly

might aswell play hr if your gonna lose gear

then atleast there is potential to gain

[subtle rose]

That was my plan if they didn't/don't change it

[neon kite]

It wasnt ever said in the announcements its in this chat search it

[clever cloud]

ahh ok. the grief event is still on then

they gottttaa change that. i dont see anyone enjoying that

[neon kite]

And its non ssf

[subtle rose]

No one will play it if you can get griefed by squire kits, which people are already planning to do

So dead event even before it starts

[neon kite]

I think they are baiting us

[clever cloud]

"give me one of your artifacts or we all lose together"

[dusky shard]

yeah bait the last 3 dudes playing this game haha

[neon kite]

I feel like its actually gonna be how we expect they just arent gonna say it or stocks go up idk

[clever cloud]

gotta be so that during their dev interview they can be like "look we heard your concerns, your gear wont wipe"

[subtle rose]

Not even that, people are already planning to go in squire just so the people with the juiced kits lose it

[neon kite]

Dirty dogs

[clever cloud]

might as well go in as squire and strong arm an artifact from someone

either you still lose or you get a free artifact

[subtle rose]

I'm not losing a kit i spent over 500k on to griefers

[clever cloud]

WHY play arena when the dungeon is the same thing with rewards when you win the fight

[neon kite]

Def bait

[subtle rose]

Hence why no one will play it if they keep it "lose all gear on loss"

[neon kite]

I feel like its not even gonna be ssf i feel like they will actually do any gear goes even if its from market

Only things that can make sense to me they just lyin rn

[subtle rose]

I think sdf has been hitting the snowy road again

[clever cloud]

either that or make artifacts drop like commons in HR or something

something people have actually asked for in the past

[neon kite]

I would fw that for 2 days

[deft copper]

so its just a rumor we lose gear in hr arena

[subtle rose]

Graysun said it himself

[neon kite]

No its real

[turbid linden]

anyone know when wipe is

[deft copper]

then whats the point of arena then

[flat harness]

I actually said that teamers should get more punished than now, like wiping out their whole stash

[neon kite]

I think he trolln g thats my point or u gon get the gear of the losers

[deft copper]

just slam squire kits with your artifact kits

[clever cloud]

to get griefed by squire kits

[subtle rose]

Thats what we've been saying lol

[neon kite]

Ban em gee

[deft copper]

bro at that point ill play hr

[neon kite]

Ill get the msg hold up

[deft copper]

if there is no reward to running artifacts in arenas theres no point

[flat harness]

I dont know if youre trolling, ragebaiting or just cant read

[neon kite]

boom

[deft copper]

where was this posted commuinty announcements

[subtle rose]

His response was "Why are you holding onto gear at the end of wipe anyway" Hmmm maybe cause i spent all my wealth on a bis Nipalan/Trident/Kuma kit and i made it for the specific purpose of playing unique+ arena?

[neon kite]

Tavern

[neon kite]

It gotta be troll lmao

[deft copper]

yeah i have like 12 arifacts kits ill run ijn hr if areans is a bust

[subtle rose]

At this point they should maybe take their job more seriously but thats just me lol

[surreal warren]

to run it in arena the next game? why on earth would you loose the gear weve been grinding all season for if we cant chance getting the dead peoples gear, literally pointless then no?

[clever cloud]

nah bro once you lose your gear just log off and wait for next season. your turn is up bro. GGs bro. why hold gear bro

like what

[flat harness]

Here you got it

@neon kite

[mystic anvil]

Yes, for the end of wipe arena event all items including artifacts will be lost on defeat 😅

I think they may be testing and under the process of constructing it this wipe and then building upon it for next wipe so we may be able to loot enemies in arena eventually ?! 😱

[clever cloud]

I miss JayGriffyuh. every once in a while I go into my friendslist and see if hes secretly on. he never is

[subtle rose]

Testing with who? No one will play it or at least not enough people for good testing data

[deft copper]

some expaining just littreally do it like the first artifact arenas

[flat harness]

This will be interesting, albion online does something similar and its so good

[clever cloud]

dawg they dont even use the test server I paid for. They arent testing anything I promise

just winging everything they do I swear

[surreal warren]

thats literaly pointless then no? why not just run it in the regular dungeon?

[mystic anvil]

I hear a decent amount of people excited to take in uniques and artifacts in as one final battle of the wipe 🙂

Ill be bringing in named myself 🙂 !

[clever cloud]

Im activly vendoring all my high end gear right now so I can give some Tim my gold

[subtle rose]

200? Thats pathetic numbers for test data lol

[deft copper]

i am if i can run it back my crap teamates throw

[surreal warren]

thats the sillest thing ive heard ina minute, and they done some pretty silly things

[deft copper]

itll be so easy to q snipe and throw for your teamates

[mystic anvil]

Ye! Ive never played it! But they do have that and it seems like a real ultimate test of high-tier play!

[flat harness]

Full loot arenas would be so fun, im pretty sure those who want arena to be 24/7 opened wont like them 🤣 🤣

[deft copper]

itd be fun but at that point play hr

[clever cloud]

yeah why waste time in Arena at that point

[subtle rose]

Just make the unique+ arena no gear loss, its a pretty simple thing to do to make people happier with the event

[deft copper]

littreally like the old artifact arena

[marsh oriole]

BRING BACK UNIQUE ARENA

[neon kite]

Then you go on another char and cheat with a stash that isnt all your shxt . Easy loophole.

[subtle rose]

Yep, they did it once how hard can it be to do it again

[surreal warren]

How are people okay with loosing your kit with this next arena event??? wtf is happening

[deft copper]

it was actaully fun and gave bad pvpers a chance to have fun with theyre gear before getting slammed in hr

[sudden hatch]

its the final 3 days of wipe ur gonna lose it anyway

[neon kite]

So why not let us use them for the 3 days u get 1 game vs 3 days IF YOU LOSe

[deft copper]

its the arena tag on it

[clever cloud]

yeah but this is arena we are talking about, not the regular dungeon where this already happens.

[surreal warren]

i wana run it for more than one game, thats the entire point of arena

[coral tide]

how does that justify turning arena into hr with no benefits

[surreal warren]

for real, wtf are they thinking, just play HR at that point

[sudden hatch]

it really doesnt but sdf doesnt have the greatest arena update track record

[crude ice]

solos is so fire, its all teamers 2v1 every game wallah ts fun

[deft copper]

just spam graysun to change it and make the player base come back for ut]

[clever cloud]

"the playerbase"

[flat harness]

You still dont get it, i mean wiping every stash in every character, obviously. Thats worse than just ban for 3 days or 1 week, and thats their punish atm

[mystic anvil]

At least I can ensure I will be able to test the might if my kit against other really geared/named teams rather than HR rats 😂?
Also, instant queues into geared teams is a fun time 😊

[clever cloud]

under 1500 in the dungeon rn btw

[mystic anvil]

might of*:)

[clever cloud]

1433 | 1649 yikes

[neon kite]

You gotta be more specific my boyyyy, you still dont think you could have 1 main account with all the stash traded too?

[subtle rose]

Then you come up against 3 squire kits lmao

[wheat smelt]

had 3 fights with this druid... theys got 9 lives and animal person just decided to leave the dungeon. nice

[sudden hatch]

cleaving a squire rogue with a fulgor🤤

[rose flume]

so much fun wallah

[surreal warren]

so if i queue solo into arena with my kit, the chances that i loose that kit are going to be pretty high, at the lowest a 50/50, so i get shit team mates then i loose the kit ive been working all season to get, when i could just run HR and atleast have a chance at looting the kits off people i kill, tell me the logic here

[flat harness]

Yea, wipe their stash and ban them if they do it again

[mystic anvil]

Should be an easy W then!

Unlesssss, youre a big noob 🤣💔

[clever cloud]

moe you cannot be serious brother

[surreal warren]

^

[flat harness]

Thats why you wont stop teamers just banning them one week, they have more accs or the just play another game till unban

[subtle rose]

I'll just come in squire kit like other people are planning and throw on purpose, what region do you play? 😛

[mystic anvil]

Im cereal my guy 😎

[lost plover]

Moe is a pvp god so he only thinks in his standard not the regular human beings

[wheat smelt]

if you see me chasing a rat plz help me kill the rat

[neon kite]

Why moe be missing shots on my team then???

[clever cloud]

i mean same but i can see that this arena event is just a worse HR

[mystic anvil]

No im not, I am a simple humble villager ready to protect the kingdom at arms

[surreal warren]

literally one of the silliest things they could do for this event, wtf is even happening right now, what are they thinking, from what i understand this is the single stupidest thing they could do, unless im missing something? surely im missing something

[neon kite]

Ur missing the rage bait

[surreal warren]

yea probs, not really rage bait, just stupidity

[subtle rose]

a lot of mind altering chemicals is what you're missing

[wheat smelt]

or he's gonna come back and panther form yur arseholes after i leave yur ass with one hp

[surreal warren]

the ENTIRE point of arena is so you can run it back and not loose ur kit, i understand that its the end of wipe and the kits will be gone anyway, but wtf is the point of an end season arena event if you cant play it more than once.....

[clever cloud]

like the twitch drop campaign they recently did?

[coral tide]

jus dont lose ig

[flat harness]

Just dont play it then?

[surreal warren]

yea that was also kinda wild, but not like this, this is just dumb

[surreal warren]

thats the solution? thats the best we can do with this? just dont play. hmm

[coral tide]

no ones gonna be playing it except trolls in squire kits

[flat harness]

Full loot arenas in a full loot designed game, where is the crazy idea?

[coral tide]

gonna be 3v3 squire games

[surreal warren]

thats the thing, your not going to be able to loot...

[gaunt oracle]

permaban ALL cheaters, including:
ESP/Hacks
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming

[coral tide]

ban this guy

[flat harness]

I will play it with good gear, as long as i get mached against good gear players ill play it more

[clever cloud]

then why play arena? you just lose kits and will have to play the main game anyway.. so just play that instead. Only the RMTers and no lifers will play that type of arena bro cmon

[surreal warren]

FR

[flat harness]

I think its a stupid idea if you only lose loot, if you can loot it would be insanely good

[clever cloud]

there are chests you can loot

[surreal warren]

you loose everything when you loose the match, AND you cant loot the people u kill

[flat harness]

Yea its so bad then

But maybe sdf will notice that it would be nice if you can loot your enemies

[clever cloud]

i come in with like 12k worth of meds alone for arena. if people can loot that off me I will not play arena

[surreal warren]

or maybe and hear me out here, Arena stays how arenas always been and you dont loose your gear when you loose

[clever cloud]

probably worht more than 12k tbh

[coral tide]

true man the ale and meds and everything

ts costs alot

[clever cloud]

only blues and up too. I mainly farm for the crafting mats to make my meds and I spend a lot of time in the dungeon to do that. If someone could just take that away from me, all that time, all those successful raids I had to do to craft the meds... Id be pissed

[deft copper]

@hexed adder this arena probaly will the least played one you loose everything is wild idk what you guys are smoking but id like some

[deft copper]

littreally just boycott areana until it changes

[warped lintel]

that'll be a short boycott considering the event is 3 days long and will be happening 3 days before the wipe ends and then arena goes back to normal lmao

[deft copper]

then jus tdont play arena

[warped lintel]

yes, if the event doesn't appeal to you you're not obligated to play

[deft copper]

you win and cant even loot anyrhing

[deft copper]

oh trust me i aint if its the case

[surreal warren]

thats like saying, oh ur house is on fire then dont live in it, its a shit conclusion

[warped lintel]

it's for people that have been saving up several kits throughout the entire season being able to see how far they can get in rank, it's not about the loot

the fact you lose loot on a loss means that if you don't have a whole lot of loot saved up you'll run out of gas if you keep taking Ls

[delicate ibex]

Hardcore Arena Idea: every account in the game is put into a giant single-elimination tournament bracket. Anyone who loses in the first round is banned. Whoever is the last man standing is the new owner of Ironmace

[clever cloud]

I volunteer to go 1st

[deft copper]

i have 12 arifacts kits im not worried about the gear i am and not its just lame i cant run it back and we all know ifs gonna be poverty players just goining in to ruin the fun

they couldve just done artifact areans and made everyone happy

[clever cloud]

Id rather low key just give all my kits to timmys in the knights discord like I usually do end of wipe. Greedily using up all my gear feels wrong

[warped lintel]

they already did that before, this event is more interesting imo

it's basically an elimination tournament

[deft copper]

i will give you its interesting just not apealling to lose a fulgor to a wiz warlock ranger combo

[surreal warren]

its not about how much loot anyone has, the entire point of arena isnt climbing rank, its to pvp without fear of loosing a kit you build, rank literally does nothing

[deft copper]

when i can run it in game and then maybe get some turbo bis

[drifting scaffold]

yea during the season it is... this is 1 weekend at the end

[warped lintel]

could it by that's why the event is 3 days long, almost like a limited time event that shakes up the typical ruleset

[surreal warren]

just play HR at that point, atleast u get to loot dead people

[warped lintel]

you're more than welcome to do that, the event is not going to appeal to everyone

[surreal warren]

logically it doesnt make any sense to any sane person, its just regular HR but without the upside of risking ur kit

[deft copper]

i get your point but your missing the plot im rich asf but with that arena even its just all risk nop reward not even a cool skin or anything for playing

[surreal warren]

^

[warped lintel]

bragging rights, and if you're not interested in that then you don't have to participate

there's people that donate hundreds of thousands of gold to religion beyond the rewards just for a spot on the leaderboard lmao

[deft copper]

yeah it affects hr when no one runs gear because they lost it all

[viscid holly]

I've got the best arena solution of them all, completely remove it from the game. Problem solved.

[surreal warren]

bragging rights for what, oh i got to 2k in arena, neat now what

[deft copper]

i love the artifact pvp on last days of wipe its fun but that wont be the case everyone will go broke

and ill be runing around with arifacts for nun

[slow ivy]

Arena should be the best of the best. High rewards and higher risk. You should lose your kit if you lose a match. There can be only one.

[warped lintel]

this sounds like an example of having your cake and eating it too

[surreal warren]

you will always loose ur kit in this game, thats how the game works, doesnt matter if ur the best of the best, at some point, you will lose

[deft copper]

the issue is i made the cake ima eat it

[warped lintel]

yes and by eating it you'll no longer have it

[slow ivy]

Unless you're fumbling around the zero risk arena of course.

[deft copper]

your just agruing to agrue i understand your point i just think why play arena when its the exact same as hr at that point

[desert hamlet]

Rats... rats everywhere...

[warped lintel]

I already said, for the bragging rights, which you said you were uninterested in

[deft copper]

bragging rights of what for arena

arena is easy pvp compared to hr pvp

[warped lintel]

which is why the event spices things up by limiting you to however big your stash is, can you come out on top before your stash runs out?

[deft copper]

certainly but once you hit 200 rank you have to solo q and then youll just get shit team mates

[late vortex]

dumb, events a wash

nobody left cares, after they took legendary away every one i know called it there

[warped lintel]

That's a valid point, either people who run out of decent gear will get pushed out of 2200 or the requirement will be waved for the event. We'll see I guess.

[late vortex]

stakes are kinda too high to want to que with randoms, could say foook it but id wait an hour to get cooked by a three stack

[deft copper]

hopefully if they change the 2200 rating then sure its a lot better

[late vortex]

if they have to go back on theyre said requirements cuz noones left. would you say it was a flop to begin with ? what are they going to change the rule mid weekend when every one has forgotten or already lost theyre best stuff? i get its wipe but sheet thats harsh

[limber cairn]

buff frost breath

[warped lintel]

those requirements are part of the normal ruleset, considering this limited event is already shaking up the ruleset it wouldn't be surprising to see they waved the 2200 solo-queue requirement for it

[median beacon]

@proud copper we gonna hotfix achilles being triggered on a thrown lantern or is that really not a big deal?

[late vortex]

my bad i misinterpreted, i thought you meant take away total loss. every one i see queing random has garbage gear. they are going to loose one kit and be done or reque with more garbage. i think, with there only being like 100 players being above 3000 or purple rating, this event will be a total loss with few people quing at all

[deft copper]

make it so lanturns to mirco flame flame damage

[gaunt oracle]

permaban ALL cheaters, including:
ESP/Hacks
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming

[ionic fox]

🥀

[void anchor]

Possible to gamble artifacts from Goblin?

[warped lintel]

no

[viscid holly]

True but wouldn't this just make sense if arena didn't exist and it was just the dungeon like before.

[dull sun]

this game is trash until they open up arena again and make you not lose gear with loss

[warped lintel]

you'll love the weekend following january 29th

[dull sun]

what is it?

[warped lintel]

normal arena

[dull sun]

thank God. back to where we can use whatever gear?

[warped lintel]

I'm guessing it'll be the same as it is now with it being up to purple quality gear you've minted yourself

[dull sun]

so I still have to find it myself or craft it? im talking bout being able to use anything from mktplace like it was before

[formal jacinth]

dark and darker was supposed to save the gaming industry 😭

[warped lintel]

Oh, I don't think that's coming back it seems like having to find it yourself is the official ruleset they plan on sticking with

[dull sun]

yeah thats fkin trash. devs think they can monopolize ppls time in a ultra competitive gaming mkt is fkin ret4rded

make me grind to get gear for hours then wipe my shit after 2 months like clockwork? complete trash

[warped lintel]

at least starting next wipe they're adding cosmetic rewards for arena

[supple drift]

Ironmace... I'm watching you.. do not make another disappointment nor another delay..

[carmine quail]

When will this update to the announcement happen? A day before the “event”? It is still so vague does not even explain what is going on.

[dull sun]

it would be a good idea if they didnt wipe the shit every couple months, but with wipes all the time, its a painful time sink. very monotonous and the quests feel so boring and tedious/repetitive and just manufactured bs

[warped lintel]

the event starts in 11 days, gives them plenty of time to take in feedback during that time

[dull sun]

if youve been here since launch u know wtf im talkin bout and ur in denial if u think repeating quests every wipe is a good way to spend ur time

[supple garnet]

so reckless attack goes away if you hit a wall but not if you hit a shield right?

[formal jacinth]

frl this kush guy has no smart

[carmine quail]

Feedback on what? It’s so vague how are we giving them feedback if we don’t know what’s going on?

[warped lintel]

it's pretty clear from my understanding, what part is vague to you?

[delicate ibex]

Not leave it in… darkness.

[carmine quail]

When do they take feedback from the community before an update? They just go for it and wait to see the backlash.

[carmine quail]

“we plan to hold a special ‘Hardcore’ Arena season, that remove the item grade restrictions.“ how is this amount of text making it clear what is going to be happing on for this event?

[warped lintel]

a lot of the decisions they make for the game are based on community requests but you're right they do like to try things out first and then make changes afterwards

[carmine quail]

Yes it’s the communities vision.

[formal jacinth]

based on community requests is hilarious lmao

[warped lintel]

?

[carmine quail]

The back and forth multiple times is not communities vision. The Druid is not community vision. Water map. Many other things

[flat harness]

Random queues definitely not community vision

[warped lintel]

Yeah, they don't exclusively build the game around what this community requests.

[carmine quail]

Also making changes after the release of this event would be pointless as it’s a 2 day event. Barely even gives us time for the event.

[warped lintel]

What do you mean making changes after the release of this event?

[carmine quail]

“They like to try things out first then make changes afterwards”

[flat harness]

Community requests are just better than sdf vision, thats the problem

[warped lintel]

I don't think that applies to a limited time event, I think a better application of that would be between when they announced it a couple of days ago and the day leading up to the event or something they would take into account for the next event in the future.

[carmine quail]

Your reply here made it clear it’s not worth the back and forth with you. If you can’t realize just because it’s clear to you doesn’t mean it’s clear for the whole community, have fun.

[warped lintel]

This event is a limited time arena leaderboard going from January 23rd to January 26th where you're allowed to take in any gear you want but you lose it if you lose a match.

I felt that was pretty clear.

[slow ivy]

Removing any game option, will never gain the player count they should be working towards.

[viscid holly]

alot more people quit the game because of arena to be fair... the whole reason most of us bought the game was for a PvPvE dungeon crawling experience mostly crypts vibes. so game modes that literally drag players out of the dungeon, not only this but ruin the item values or increase depending on whats needed in a completely different game mode just ruins the whole reason we bought the game in the first place..... all so a very small niche group of players can gain ego points.

at the end of the day when only the people who care enough about ego points are left, do ego points even look good anymore now that 95% of the population has dipped?

[warped lintel]

I'd honestly be pretty shocked to hear anyone quit Dark and Darker because of arena explicitly.

[viscid holly]

how it destroys the dungeon experience entirely

if doing stuff like farming gold by killing troll/cyclops was a difficult task due to how many people would contest you. If you just wait for arena day you can easily go back to back to back lobbies without a single interaction.

[dull sun]

arena is what makes the game. the pvp is the msot fun aspect

[viscid holly]

You really don't think that will kill the game? im not here to farm gold.... sure thats what im doing but its the fights with the players im looking for.

[coral tide]

thats why majority of people play arena

[viscid holly]

replace gold for any item, frost stone, artifacts, ghost king loot anything

[coral tide]

so they can constantly have fights , not really for the ego point

[viscid holly]

you know when arena did not exist people went in the dungeon to fight!

plus in arena how are you gonna learn how to deal with 3rd parties and map knowledge? oh wait you don't because its a clean 3v3 which sounds fun at first and it is but after like a week you realize its just cancer for the game as a whole

[coral tide]

its not like people are just hopping straight into arena, have to play the game to build a kit first lol

[warped lintel]

I don't think removing arena would bring arena exclusive players back to dungeons, they would probably just quit the game entirely

[viscid holly]

if your new sure i get this but it really doesn't take me and my friends who have 1k hrs each long to get a kit good enough to farm arena

[coral tide]

ive been playing since before arena came out ik how it used to be but its a good system. it allows everyone to pvp as much as they want as long as they have a kit

[viscid holly]

good no one bought the game for arena to begin with theres no reason it should be here tbh

[coral tide]

only took me 2 days to get a purps ssf kit but im a no life

[warped lintel]

weird take, I prefer the dungeons but I don't care what people who exclusively play arena choose to spend their time doing

[viscid holly]

anyone who is actually good at dnd knows the real grind is waiting for the quests to open so you can craft your bis

which again is just stupid and a terrible gameplay loop.... now absolute bis is just worthless because why would i lose it when i can just go arena all day 0 risk

having bis and taking it into raid WAS the content... how are you clowns not realizing it

having 0 risk clean 3v3 fights is for babies imo.

[coral tide]

there still is that content lmao

its for people who wanna enjoy the pvp

sorry you aint built for it

[warped lintel]

I take gear into the dungeon for pvp as well because it's not enough murdering people in the arena, I want to take their gear too

[viscid holly]

if you are a child sure i guess stick to arena, but the whole purpose of the game was risk/reward factor. so if your just gonna defend a game that removes the entire point of the game. Market, economy, value in gear. but personally i think you should quit and play arc raiders

[coral tide]

lmao now your just calling me a kid, fragile ego huh

[warped lintel]

Or ambushing someone at a gold pile and they have a quest item I need or a chest they pulled in their inventory? inject that directly into my veins please

[coral tide]

your prolly 30 and still in mommas basement

[viscid holly]

if you really break down the consequences of your decisions in a raid vs in arena. Wanting to play arena > dungeon is a childish decision.

[coral tide]

not man enough to have a real conversation lol

have to throw around a million backhanded remarks

[viscid holly]

its like saying why in the world would i ride this bike without training wheels... i could fall and get hurt... you can ride the bike without training wheels but me, ill stick to my training wheels i don't wanna lose my gear.

[coral tide]

im not even gonna waste time entertaining you lol

[granite surge]

let’s keep it respectful, or move on from the conversation please and thank you.

[viscid holly]

like uhh...... ok i mean i thought you understood that your betting your gear you'll survive this raid thats the whole point.

but i guess no one has actually made you pay up after losing a bet so

id be more accepting of arena if you didn't just bet the gear you brought in arena

[coral tide]

keep going there champ

[viscid holly]

but your entire squad had to offer a range of items

if you lost your entire kit and like gold coin chests or other valuables over arena matches. Sure then its acceptable. but in its current state its nothing but cancer in every aspect

[warped peak]

what is s-r in LGF?

[warped lintel]

squires to riches gamemode

[gaunt oracle]

permaban ALL cheaters, including:
ESP/Hacks
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming

[supple drift]

I think Ironmace should give an indication to druids when they shapeshift, so we can see what kind animal they are about to transform.

oh wait, it wont work because shapeshift mastery. ahh hahah

druids can be unpredictable to read while other classes are predictable.

hmm.. or am i wrong?

[warped lintel]

you just suggested something, shot yourself down, declared something and then immediately expressed a lack of confidence in your declaration all in under a minute

[ionic fox]

Some people man some people

[slim scroll]

1 minute HR cave troll kill in #dnd-content

[magic prairie]

Dead game

[warped lintel]

nice dark bolt go brr

[reef gazelle]

Still no pregnant goblins…

[slim scroll]

Roughly 50dps on those dark bolts not including down time for kiting

[outer aurora]

is there any differnce between aquaglow lanterns and rarities?

[lost pulsar]

""Chat whispers can now only be sent to friends."

lmao snow flakes

[static zodiac]

qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm

[misty ridge]

1234567890

[static zodiac]

1234567890drtfgnjkmazsdxcfgvbhnjkm,l;.'/\

[misty ridge]

PrtSc ScrLk Pause Ins Home PgUp Del End PgDn

[gaunt oracle]

buff entangling vines

[ebon lynx]

is this game still on ssf arena?

[orchid oasis]

Lookin for some fresh adventures! Slay some skellies! Gib some gobbies! Wack some wolves! Cackle as cocatrices chase us out of the dungeons! We will shoot the shit, chew the fat and maybe even make some friends! Who knows, maybe someday we will bonk some bosses as the best of buds!

Hit me up! Holler me down! I’m just bein a clown ^_^

[long mantle]

Anything new any hints at what wipe brings

[keen briar]

How’s my goated game coming along?

[final monolith]

it aint ngl

[surreal warren]

when are we fixing the lantern applying ach strike on barbs?

[final monolith]

when this when that
those were questions to ask when we still had 30k concurrent players
now the question is
WHY

[misty ridge]

No. The question now is what

What will you have after five HUNDRED years??

[slate hawk]

Where would you be if you walked five hundred miles, and if you walked five hundred more, just to be the person who walked a thousand miles?

[final monolith]

in 2 years there probably wont be a game anymore ngl

[quaint carbon]

Yea we gonna stop this right here. <@&988703997378584596>

[plain abyss]

havent played since they change arena to non legendary

im still upset. I spent all wipe building my kit

[dreamy vine]

Drink water

[gaunt oracle]

buff entangling vines

[final monolith]

same i spent so much i had like leggo rings with +2 dex, 1all, max roll hp% and true phys
one i found the other was worth like 1 chest +
i had a +1all neck of peace w 3 strenght

[plain abyss]

yeah i spent like 800 hours making my kit only for it to be non useable now.

makes me very sad.

[final monolith]

the worse thing is that purple is ALSO 4 stats

[plain abyss]

I guess I am just waiting til wipe to start again.

[final monolith]

it makes me angry, ngl
imade a lil rog kit with no 1alls didnt try it yet

[plain abyss]

Havent bothered. I feel like my entire time this wipe has been stolen. Totally demoralized me to playing until next wipe.

[final monolith]

absolutely. at one point the whole game was me grinding for a crazy arena set

and from one day to the next they just said nop

also it was one of the first time i did invest in an arena kit, and it made me play more s2r instead of HR since i was griding for absolute bis

[restive sinew]

[gaunt oracle]

permaban ALL cheaters, including:
ESP/Hacks
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming

[warped lintel]

criminalize ALL crimes, including:
GTA/Robbery
Insider Trading (Traders AND info brokers)
Repeat-offenders of aiding and abetting

[final monolith]

was this 1 hour of no messages

yep it was. between vex 12:01 and puck, there was 1:02 of time elapsed

[upbeat lion]

True it's hidden. This channel is where all the complaints are going to.

That's why it's hidden

[red scarab]

ur a dog

[elfin urchin]

Thanks man

[red scarab]

where is the badass video game contents ?

i see nothing

[elfin urchin]

I sold my pc so probably never lol

[dreamy vine]

So that's why they got rid of general chat

[young temple]

When is server reset happening?

[valid moss]

Uh 15 days i think

🥳

[young temple]

ty

[floral surge]

Big plans for the wipe?

[valid moss]

quests, crafting, hr bossing & looting...much more 😆

[elfin urchin]

I mean that’s all there is to do in the game…

[sleek fern]

New Hardcore arena rules, not only do you lose gear upon defeat, it has a 100 godl entrance fee and every module is a boss room with the boss in it.

[dreamy vine]

Don't tempt me with a good time

[random anchor]

Did gta6 drop yet?

[sleek fern]

@hexed adder tell us more about Hardcore arena rules plz

[shy linden]

no wipe still visionn

[brave wharf]

yall think sdf has a weak jaw? im going for a haymaker

[gusty herald]

I like seeing the SDF kitchen and graysuns plate channels’ posts when they use it

See I can say something nice too

[finite flicker]

soon 🌋

[hexed adder]

It will be announced with the next patch

[quaint carbon]

which will be when?

[frigid palm]

Are the servers down?!?

While going into ruins I’m stuck in a loading screen loop

[tired dove]

You’re werid btw

[quaint carbon]

you gonna keep being a fan? was the timeout not enough? idk how you say im weird with a straight face with your discord board like that. lock tf in

[subtle rose]

Will there be a new map on next wipe? Blink twice if i'm right

[wary pivot]

When is wipe

[warped lintel]

January 29th #📢announcements message

[swift coral]

Can you say if IM been able to make any adjustments based on the feedback?

[final monolith]

i cant wait for next patch

[devout haven]

lmaooo connection terminated before i loaded into HR. immediately reload and my kit is already gone. my bad for trying to play rn

[subtle rose]

What a fool

[atomic stump]

If you gain nothing out of it, why risk gear on this arena "event" if you can still run (and gain new gear) for 3 days in pvp?
It should at the very least give you the enemies gear. 100% risk 0 reward. Make it make sense. MAKE IT FULL LOOT ARENA THIS EVENT (SPREAD THE WORD)

[warm fable]

🍽️

[subtle rose]

Maybe they want to make the normal dungeon more populated, 5head

[warm fable]

Even single pea on a plate would be enough for us

[atomic stump]

if they wanna make the normal dungeon more populated they could do an end of wipe event that attracts players to the dungeon!!!

[subtle rose]

No fun around these parts

[ornate ermine]

or js close arena

[atomic stump]

yep

[lapis birch]

bro when was the last time they did something to dungeon

[atomic stump]

imagine they just added a sick ass vault event in the middle of the map with gauranteed good ass loot

genuinely how have they gone pretty much all wipe no content and the only thing they are going to do end of wipe is an arena event that there is zero point to play

[hybrid sequoia]

you wanted artifact arena, you got artifact arena, just play better and you won't lose any gear

[lapis birch]

lets go esports

[atomic stump]

sometimes you will get modules unlucky for your class many bs factors no point to risk them

[warm fable]

@hexed adder Since we already know new fire monster is coming the one under HR rewards. Can you show us him in game?

[lapis birch]

remember when mobs used to be actal danger?

[atomic stump]

the good old times?

[lapis birch]

yeah

id like to experience raw dungeons again and not just spawn pvp rush or boss rush

ive had suggestion to make traps and mobs more randomized across modules

and add more traps

[atomic stump]

im just confused why there isnt an interaction lever at reds that opens it for 10 seconds and then recloses

sdfs vision to have the "release mechanism"

[lapis birch]

i cant wrap my head around the fact that they started that strong 2 years ago, people loved the idea of dungeon dwelling and they decided to make it fucking arcade mode instead of actual hardcore experience, ive had noob friends join the game, they setup squire gear and pretty much never die after learning how to dodge skellys, traps? scarce, mobs? easy, healing? cheap

mobs still easily cheesed after 2 years

[hybrid sequoia]

2 years of micro managing everything and changing +3 to +5 to +3 to +5, that's how you get stagnation

[lapis birch]

maybe add some mechanic of getting cursed when too many mobs are chasing you for too long of something

[hybrid sequoia]

pve should definitely be more threatening, try ignoring pve in tarkov or ark when you pvp, see what happens

[lapis birch]

esports ready

first time ive seen space map mentioned immediately thought of unreal tournament type of deathmatch with bows, fireballs and melee weapons, would look like some cheap knockoff game that would probably be more enjoyable than current gameloop in actual game

[subtle rose]

Can't wait to see nobody vs nobody in 2027

[lapis birch]

Demon berserker vs hound

[warm fable]

Remove it
Don't encourage SDF

[tired dove]

Get laid buddy

[tired dove]

You’re a dork🤣

[cyan monolith]

settle down andrew

[slate hawk]

Let's stay respectful of other people folks 😉

[quaint carbon]

idk who you are or why you are so angry. also pls stay out of my dms thanks ❤️

[quaint carbon]

this guy been harrassing me for a bit now. you should time some time to check out his discord account name and the stuff on his discord profile

[cyan monolith]

normal person for sure

[slate hawk]

You can block the user. While we don't moderate DMs between users, feel free to report their messages or their profile directly to Discord.

[edgy glen]

Don't be weird and dm people. Seriously its weird...

[edgy glen]

He changed his profile real quick after that 🤣

[misty ridge]

ARC I actually found it easier to avoid PvE than in here

[hybrid sequoia]

that's density problem, once you're engaged, you NEED to take care of it, or it will make you lose pvp

[tired dove]

You can turn that off in settings btw

[misty ridge]

I mean they leave you alone if you break line of sight for a bit

[feral dew]

watch the attitude buddy

[hybrid sequoia]

yes, but they'll also search for you and force you out of any cover you're in during pvp unless you kill them fast

[misty ridge]

That's assuming you're spotted in the first place. There's generally pretty few clankers I've found

So it's pretty chill to just stealth around

[gaunt oracle]

permaban ALL cheaters, including:
ESP/Hacks
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming

[leaden niche]

gobelin give stuff back only in pve mode or in normal game too?

[coral tide]

pve only, and not hr pve

[leaden niche]

useless things so , thanks bro

[uncut wigeon]

why are normals dead?

[rose flume]

The rats are just too much, now they all just stand in a dark corner and wait for someone to ambush

Allow us to gem stats again so end game gear isn’t as rare so HRs has geared people to compete with

[gaunt oracle]

buff entangling vines

[scenic dawn]

what server

[shy linden]

there is no one play

[supple drift]

Ironmace... I'm watching you... Don't make another disappointment nor delay..

[shy linden]

cause they delay the wipe all people has no money even tho if i farming wrynwen or warlord gh 10 days later game wipes .

[unique token]

[sudden hatch]

😭😭😭

they should not let you gem stats bro they should never have

+all for a diamond was insane

[rose flume]

And now we have HR with nothing but mob dumping rats as they broke ahh can’t afford/play enough to get the gear to compete at end game

[tawdry heron]

Or trying to get nameds to run end of wipe

[sonic lynx]

@proud copper any recomendation of what type of alcohol to drink today ?

[rose flume]

It’s literally every lobby bro. I have plenty of named kits I just don’t want to run because there is no gear to fight. Nothing but naked Druids and rogues mob dumping trying to hit a lick. That is why HR is dead

[drifting scaffold]

carry a couple invis pots

epic invis pots 🤯 finally a use

[tawdry heron]

Damn unfortunate maybe you are part of the problem as well ? Hoarding nameds and not running them 😄

NA servers seem to be popping tho

[rose flume]

I’ve ran them for three weeks

And it’s all risk no reward

Cheating stiletto rogue/fighters land mining shadows

[tawdry heron]

Plenty of geared people on NA servers or EU servers during prime time

[rose flume]

Yeah that’s a cap

[tawdry heron]

I have seen like 10 cheaters during this wipe so it's not that much

[tawdry heron]

we might be playing different games chief logged on this morning went on NA server full lobby of 20k+ kits

[rose flume]

I’ve gotten like 4 clips the past two weeks alone of full leaning back stiletto fighter rogues hitting nothing but headshots killcam and all. Submitted to the wardens and allat

[tawdry heron]

Well then you are unlucky

The only cheaters i've run in to are ESPers or Like 1-2 chinese felling axe barbs

[rose flume]

Idk wat constitutes prime time for you but N.A. east 4pm-10pm you’ll run into maybe two real teams all day

[drifting scaffold]

now that’s cap

[rose flume]

Maybe we have different ideas of what geared teams look like

[tawdry heron]

Are you playing trios ?

[rose flume]

Yes

[tawdry heron]

I think i've seen you lol No wonder noone is playing HR

Trios is just buff ball bullshit

Whoever has the better buffball wins

[rose flume]

To be fair I might be the best cleric in the game I don’t play only buff ball I run legit every comp

And honestly- end game gear buff ball is shite

[tawdry heron]

Lmao calling yourself THE BEST at something is pathetic

especially when you are abusing Druid + cleric healer in same comp

[rose flume]

I am rank 1 cleric in arena at least right now 👀

[tawdry heron]

ah yes the 2000 people that play arena

[rose flume]

There isn’t even 2000 people that play this game

And I’ve been rank 1 on whatever class I played that arena since it’s been out (not always cleric)

[tawdry heron]

Yeah how about go hit some solo or duo gameplay instead of spamming buffball and complaining that noone is playing against you

[unique token]

5k on rn

[gaunt oracle]

cmon man, can we not with the hyperbole? the game is low pop. you don't need to exaggerate for effect

[slate hawk]

Let's stay respectful of others, folks 😉

[rose flume]

You clearly don’t read I don’t play buffball 60% of the time

[tawdry heron]

Don't play trios? Half the people I know don't play trios because of buffball spammers

[rose flume]

And again- you saying buffball is OP all it takes is 1 famine 1 BoC or a coordinated triple dps and buffball falls

Just shows how incompetent you are at this game

[tawdry heron]

Like talking to a brick wall

btw this guy is playing Healer Druid + Cleric

and trying to say that buffball isn't op

[rose flume]

I’ve never played healer Druid+cleric together you mawnke

[timber orbit]

mad cow disease

[tawdry heron]

I think he has it

[timber orbit]

reel it back

[rose flume]

Reel it back

[gaunt oracle]

permaban ALL cheaters, including:
ESP/Hacks
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming

[scarlet stirrup]

ye not happening

[gaunt oracle]

elaborate

[delicate ibex]

Best I can do is a new Druid form that completely ruins the next map for two weeks.

[scarlet stirrup]

exactly

[gaunt oracle]

you know what, if its monkey form, I'll take it

[tawdry heron]

Teamers should get more than a 2 day ban aswell

[gaunt oracle]

agree

[scarlet stirrup]

yo teamers should get hardware banned or burn their pcs

[tawdry heron]

Probably 1 month should do it

[scarlet stirrup]

like they literally ruined the game for me

[tawdry heron]

Because 2 day ban is making me consider teaming lmao

[rose flume]

Yes Asia servers are populated, prime time NA east there will be sub 2k pop

[tawdry heron]

The amount of times i've gotten teamed on for them to only get a 2 day ban

[rose flume]

It’s not, during peak N.A. east hours there is sub 2k pop

[gaunt oracle]

teamers should get roasted by their peers for being slimy little losers. where is the "bring back bullying" crowd when a cheater needs to be roasted?

[rose flume]

(In the dungeon)

[delicate ibex]

I think an appropriate punishment for cheating in a video game would be forced deployment to the frontline in Ukraine.

[tawdry heron]

Played solo bossing 2 guys jumped me then looted me without killing each other 10 minutes later I'm in duos with my friend and we shit on these guys playing together now :DD

[scarlet stirrup]

If they just perma ban teamers the game would feel so much better

[scarlet stirrup]

like its just things so simple that ironmace won't do

[tawdry heron]

Not a good idea even less people playing then just give them like a month vacation from the game

[scarlet stirrup]

i wonder what does sdf do when he's in his office

[gaunt oracle]

first, I'm blocking you for engaging in bad faith arguments and calling someone else a monkey. that shit doesn't fly with me, stop it. Second, I have no life. I know what the population of this game is at any given second to within a 10% margin of error. You're lying. East peak (7-8PM) has 1500-1800 in dungeon depending on the day and a little more in lobby. 1500 plus more than 1500 is more than 2k brother. If you need to lie to prove your point, maybe you should find a new point

[scarlet stirrup]

and maybe restore the loot if i got teamed on? like Arc raiders do this thing when you die to a cheater they give you back your stuff its so nice

[rose flume]

That is exactly what I said. Sub 2k IN THE DUNGEON. And he bit first so go ahead and block me Ape

[hoary sequoia]

Hi there , noob question . Why when I use shadow touch with soul collector I loose all stacked shards at each hit ? I ask bcs I see vids of people using it but not loosing any shard while hitting with shadow touch .

[scarlet stirrup]

relax redditor

[undone yarrow]

pregnant goblin race when?

[tawdry heron]

yeah but what are the chances they ever do this plastichammer for a reason

[eager jay]

hot

Pregnant Y4mi Race when???

[undone yarrow]

must add

[scarlet stirrup]

well at least i know the game isn't dying soon thats for sure

[dreamy vine]

Those are old videos

[gaunt oracle]

buff entangling vines

[hoary sequoia]

Ok so what is the best squire boc warlock atm?

[drifting scaffold]

just swap shadow touch for something else. what else are you running so far? I usually see either plate lock boc or the squishier caster boc

[rich walrus]

This is the real fucking reason the game died

All you asking for a weird ass goblin skin and then shit LIKE THIS

[hoary sequoia]

I like a lot the heavy plate lock full melee…but I feel like the caster one is getting pretty op in squire dungeons.

[sudden hatch]

have you considered that HR pve is buns

[junior mirage]

i missed the deadline for the banner drop by mere hours. my heart is aching. i will never recover from this loss.

[timber orbit]

Dhar Mann skit

[timber orbit]

hello twin

[sudden hatch]

hiii!!!!

[meager temple]

what do you believe would be a good buff for entangling vines

[rose flume]

I don’t disagree, nightmare mobs are to plentiful in HR

[vale oar]

So you see

[summer lion]

Did the wipe make or break yet?

[gaunt oracle]

Entangling Vines - Now applies a stacking 10%MS slow debuff (1s duration), resulting in a 1s root when the 3rd stack is applied. (brief invulnerability period from reapplied debuff after being rooted, like it has now)
Entangling Vines - Duration increased from 3s to 5s

Right now, vines is useless. Casting it slows you down more than the enemy lol

[scarlet stirrup]

honestly its a weird wipe like its not bad but not that good

[drifting scaffold]

I kinda feel that way too. That halberd caster boc kinda good! Then I would go for the torture mastery, magic heal, and curse duration perks plus soul collector

if you run plate I think I’d swap torture mastery and curse duration for demon armor and anti magic? And run hydra life drain with the magic heal perk + soul collector

[slate cape]

@proud copper even now, when arc raiders drops an update they don’t get nearly as many reactions to the post on discord than you guys used to, do better. Overworld. Non-instanced player housing. Trade packs and routes. An actual crafting system with interesting unique weapons armor so we can get rid of random attribute slop. Then the player base will come back. But it literally has to be something big like that if you want to get back to the players we had at launch

[pine gate]

imagine there are still ppl who play dad xddd

[scarlet stirrup]

yeah bro so funny

why you in discord tho?

[drifting scaffold]

brb gotta find fishu post

[pine gate]

sorry mb you can just stay here and enjoy 2k players game

[drifting scaffold]

Found it lmfao

Older players love this game so much they come back just to remind us how much it means to them.

[scarlet stirrup]

lol bro is mad

[final monolith]

everyone is mad of the horrible player count, no?

[still agate]

player count low because of wide open red stairs and ratting druids (main reasons)

[drifting scaffold]

once I load squires and there’s nobody then game dead

[final monolith]

it happens sometimes ive seen lobbies with only 6 enemies in there

[still agate]

water map killed StR too, every StR water map 80% of the lobby suicides at spawn

[drifting scaffold]

not even close

[still agate]

EU StR is deadge

2-3 teams max per lobby

[drifting scaffold]

well there’s your problem must have a lot of cowards there. real ones in us east know water map has most pvp

[final monolith]

s2r aint dead yet but when arena is out, youll find mostly timmies and you cant randomqueue if you want quality teammates

[drifting scaffold]

more even than ruins bridge sometimes

[drifting scaffold]

true over the weekend I’m playing arena lmfao

[final monolith]

its hard

to be a dark and darker gamer these days

[drifting scaffold]

I don’t find it very hard but I adjust based on time of day

like if there’s just noobs online I’m gonna swap to cleric and help Timmy get his first blue portal

[final monolith]

eh i wouldnt go EU just becasue its 5am in useast

[drifting scaffold]

oh I don’t ever swap away from us east

[final monolith]

can you give me more info how u ajust based on time fo day? do u switch server like i just hypothesized

[cyan monolith]

wise, eu is known to have really high skill so if i was na i'd stick to my region too

[drifting scaffold]

I just mean I adjust my mode/class based on time of day. I play more during daytime usually and not as much at night. Like first thing in the morning squires is dead I’ll play some solos

[cyan monolith]

its rough in these eu streets

[final monolith]

really?

[cyan monolith]

on fonem

[exotic seal]

Gm bud 🫂

[drifting scaffold]

gm 🫂

[unique token]

arc is trash

[hoary sequoia]

Sounds good but I feel like the amount of ho I get from the hydra with the life steal thing is not worth it

[gaunt oracle]

hydra drain gives more HP the more magic damage you deal. if you're running 40+ will with a magic staff, that drain is nutty

[warm fable]

Nahhhh game is dead because spider mummy has to big of a hotbox

[meager temple]

Honestly a good idea, there’s many perks and spells and skills that need tweaking/changing

vines would be a great start. After talking to chunk it seems that most if not all classes will have much more build variety

[warm fable]

You know why no one is playing it?
You need to stand still during a fight

[warm fable]

So it works the same as nightmare big spider web?

[hoary sequoia]

I’m not I play poor squire gear

[gaunt oracle]

still works with the magic power base kit and a magic staff

[unique token]

[turbid copper]

Any update on the wipe? Is it actually happening on the 29th?

[keen zephyr]

No updates other than the announcement that it wipes on 29th!

[acoustic mesa]

and assuming that they wont delay it again, monk is supposed to come out next season right? because they said it would be delayed to next season at the start of this season

[keen zephyr]

I hope monk class comes out! I am just a fellow player too!

[turbid copper]

I wouldn’t put to much trust in this Dev group tbh.

[unique token]

think they said monk was going to be pushed to s9 so they could focus on the guildhall system

[acoustic mesa]

nvm i just went back to the kitchen and its not next season

[tidal path]

What s the highest gear lvl you can bring in arena ?

[acoustic mesa]

epic gear, but it has to be found in raid or crafted if you dont want to lose it if you lose

[misty ridge]

It is set to launch later in the wipe, as I understand it.

It is not planned for wipe day itself

[tidal path]

thx

[misty ridge]

Either mid season 8 or season 9

[acoustic mesa]

"We initially planned to introduce the Monk class next season, but we decided to delay its development in order to further refine and enhance the existing classes."

do with this what you will ig

[misty ridge]

But yea as Richard said we're also just regular players. We don't know anything more than what is already public.

[misty ridge]

When was this posted?

[acoustic mesa]

10/20/25

[misty ridge]

I see, oki doki then

[acoustic mesa]

so like a month after s7 release

[misty ridge]

I'd rather that. Older classes feel flat

[acoustic mesa]

yeah, especially ones that start with d and turn into animals

[shy linden]

kral g've sdf w'pe early

[final monolith]

i really hope they make monk even faster than druid when he chickenpanther jumps and also make him able to shrink into minimonk to follow rats and beat their asses

[keen zephyr]

As of right now, it's epic!

[final monolith]

x-x

[severe zephyr]

so what are the hr-rewards a spoiler of? new floor to existing dungeon or new map again? id rather have them add new stuff to classes, like passive-trees or something, maybe new perks and skills, new weapons.

[unique token]

they said new perks and skills were coming to all classes, and no one knows 100% if the rewards are going to hint to a new map or new floor to a current map

[gaunt oracle]

permaban ALL cheaters, including:
ESP/Hacks
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming

[coral tide]

im feeling a gobby caves 2f with the volcano themed stuff

[drifting scaffold]

[unique token]

that would be awesome

[coral tide]

been holding out hope since like 2022 for a gobby caves 2f and its what makes the most sense

so thats been my running idea

[broken heron]

think we will get le monk this season?

[unique token]

also some lor that the ice caves is a dormant volcano

[coral tide]

prolly like halfway through

[coral tide]

could be

or maelstrom hiding a vulcano in the big hole in the middle

[broken heron]

what do people actually think we will get next season? 7x7 maps and maybe no circle is all i know we might get.

[unique token]

true could be that to

[coral tide]

could also just be sdfs butt from his druid boyfriend

[unique token]

and u lost me

[coral tide]

but nah now that i think about it that hole leading to a red level of a vulcano would be sweet

[drifting scaffold]

some dark souls 2 geography

[coral tide]

dont leak the tech

[drifting scaffold]

balls less in demand I guess

[coral tide]

i didnt care that much haha but it is free money fs

[drifting scaffold]

🤣

[charred plover]

nah boss i need that skeleton

this conversation never happened

[vale oar]

🌋

[coral tide]

hahaha

[charred plover]

[unique token]

closer and closer to seeing what it all hints at!!

[vale oar]

It's getting warm up in here

[charred plover]

actually better question is

[unique token]

its cold over here so im ready for some warmness

[charred plover]

why do people mine iron

[coral tide]

so sdfs giant hole in the middle of the water map is the way to the volcano?

[hybrid sequoia]

translation:
Shit's on fire yo!

call the fire department before the vision goes up in smoke!

[delicate ibex]

🌋

[unique token]

[unique zinc]

please tell us when the Q&A gonna be

surely you can spill the beans about the Q&A date ?

[hybrid sequoia]

why do you want half of content creators gone?

[vale oar]

I'm considerably far from my work station right now

[delicate ibex]

It’s a warp zone like Mario going down a pipe.

[wind dawn]

imagine using actual marketing for a new season

[vale oar]

But I like to check in...

[wind dawn]

by all means check in

[coral tide]

quit hitting on the lady at the welcome desk

[unique token]

oh yeah hows the vaca going?

[misty ridge]

Chyunkus is chyunking elsewhere for the time being

[warm fable]

🌋🚽🌬️

[vale oar]

It's a great time, but it's no 🌋

[misty ridge]

Whatever could it mean

[unique token]

glad to hear it and i bet its going to be a crazy sight to whatever it could be

[misty ridge]

have this Zweihander

It will help you

[warm fable]

How in the world could they cook new volcano map in 1 season

[coral tide]

cuz its actually a volcano in space

[unique token]

could have been in the works for while

[misty ridge]

LAVA MONSTER WILL RETURN MARK MY WORDS!

[coral tide]

need lava golems

[unique zinc]

ask a sorcerer to spawn that for ya

[coral tide]

usually my sorcs golems just throws rocks at my head but

[unique zinc]

when you merge the golem with fire orb it's a lava golem that makes a fire trail as he walks like a warlock

[coral tide]

i know but i want like the full sized golem but lava on the volcano map

as an ai around the map

[unique zinc]

I personally don't want that as I already have a hard time with the basic golem in ruins

[coral tide]

cheese or shield or parry

[unique zinc]

please give us a fire dragon

[unique zinc]

true

[delicate ibex]

It’s just goblin caves with some lava floors.

[undone axle]

game crash after killing ghost king again smh

[formal abyss]

Just encountered a player that was somehow playing as a skeleton npc? Not like the skin but it was a player controlling an AI somehow?

[lusty sundial]

You can play as mobs in normal mode after you have died, it's the faustian bargain

[coral tide]

after you die in pvp you can select the faustian bargain option to control an ai

[formal abyss]

Never heard or seen that before. Was weird asf ngl lol

[lusty sundial]

Yeah it was added not too long ago! if your rep is high enough you can even play as mini bosses

[drifting scaffold]

it’s so fun

I caught a Faustian skeleton using a shrine of protection yesterday

[coral tide]

getting the cockatrice is a guaranteed kill if not multiple

especially if in s2r

[lusty sundial]

True the bird is hella strong

[formal abyss]

So it's behind reputation or something then?

[drifting scaffold]

yeah Dealmaker in the shops menu

[eager jay]

Pipe down PipSqueak

[undone yarrow]

its a good idea

[lusty sundial]

The Dealmaker! The higher rep you have with him, the better chance of getting control of stronger mob

[undone yarrow]

streamer race would be peak

[warm fable]

[misty ridge]

It got nerfed into being bad so noone used it

Back in the dayy

It was a lot more fun then

But yea generally you don't see it so much anymore

[final monolith]

game kinda unplayable rn ngl

more laggy since latest update and meta really has devolved into a twisted form of run and runner that started around patch 68, nothing feels like hold the line

[atomic schooner]

i really gotta start grinding for demi again. gonna end up running out of time at the rate im going

[drifting scaffold]

“run and runner” has existed for quite some time before patch 68

[half ermine]

need... wipe... NOW

[young solar]

3k players ur game dying but its okay trust sdf visions

his visions is to kill the game he stole

[half ermine]

state of the game is miserable right now, legit everyone plays like a rat doest matter what q or gear level

[young solar]

unfortunately for us the game is dead already

in one game u fight 1 geared team if u are lucky and u need to care about 6 tean of rats

because for sdf its a good system

[valid moss]

#WIPENOW

[half ermine]

NOW

[valid moss]

[young solar]

ther will be nothing exept sdf vision

[gaunt oracle]

permaban ALL cheaters, including:
ESP/Hacks
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming

[atomic schooner]

its end of wipe :) player counts always drop around these times

[young solar]

xDDDDDD this is the player count for like 2 months now

this wipe they struggled to reach 10k players

[cyan monolith]

what?

we were at like 30k on wipeday what are u talking about

[young solar]

no lol

[cyan monolith]

check steamcharts

classic response to being proven wrong: no lol

ngl i respect it

[bold lichen]

Re-open Arena ffs !

[young solar]

16k on wipe days

11k in the 2 next weeks

and after 1 months less than 9k

[cyan monolith]

• epic games + blacksmith

[young solar]

xDDDd

less than 2k players yes

[cyan monolith]

wait why am i having this debate

waste of time, im free 🥹

[young solar]

if u want to support sdf u can go on

[storm dirge]

holy crap I had to compare but ur right that is lowkey crazy to think they had more reactions

[slim scroll]

Player count on Steam Charts in September 2025 (S7 Launch) peaked at 16,812 players, the following month peaked at 13,977, unless Epic Games and Blacksmith accounts for 14-16k players (equal to the Steam playerbase which I doubt), we did not hit 30k in S7. Maybe I’m wrong tho

[drifting scaffold]

darkerdb.com

Older players love this game so much they come back just to remind us how much it means to them.

[cyan monolith]

20k gg

[slim scroll]

Oh wow, nice website I hadn’t see that. Turns out we peaked at 19,511, which means epic games and Blacksmith players account for maybe 3k-5k

[unique token]

[slim scroll]

You said 30k

[cyan monolith]

yeah and that message is me correcting myself

[slim scroll]

Oh I see mb

[cyan monolith]

all good

i thought i remembered seeing 15k 15k on wipe but it was prob 15k 5k cause everyone is in game 1st hour

[slim scroll]

Let’s be real with ourselves tho, 5k in last month of wipe is actually kinda good numbers compared to last couple seasons I feel like?

4.5k average player count in Jan 2026

[cyan monolith]

5k last month of this wipe is an actual miracle

this shit is so dry and boring

[drifting scaffold]

yeah it is lol still peaks nicely. I saw someone make a point that the game is Asia heavy and it remains true. US/EU plays for a while early wipe but drops off significantly later

[atomic schooner]

idk why some people act like 5k players means the death of a game. i play vr games that have less total players lol

[cyan monolith]

difference is this game depends on playercount to function

to an extent*

[atomic schooner]

yes. so do multiplayer only vr games ...

[cyan monolith]

true, not even remotely as much as pvp based games though

[atomic schooner]

its tarkov in vr. decent heavy on the pvp

[prime depot]

yall talking about vr in dark and darker

[slim scroll]

Least it’s not as bad as Wildgate, I paid 30$ for it before I realized it was a blatant cash grab, now it only has 87 player average

[cyan monolith]

ah my bad. also wtf is takrov vr, thats a thing?

[atomic schooner]

ghosts of tabor

[cyan monolith]

that shit was so fun in playtest ngl

[prime depot]

VR dark and darker + rat rogue is horror game

[cyan monolith]

ah i thought it was actual tarkov vr version

that would lowk be scary to play icl

[slim scroll]

I really wanted it to take off but devs destroyed it, I don’t actually think they ever intended to deliver a multi-year game

[cyan monolith]

playing any squishy class on solos is alreayd horror game enough

[atomic schooner]

its being made to be basically tarkov in vr

[slim scroll]

Everyone who complains about what happened to DaD should take one look at Wildgate to feel better

[cyan monolith]

"dead game" 🤖 🤖

[atomic schooner]

everyone who complains about what happened to DaD should take one look at every other game that tried to do what this game does

[cyan monolith]

im hopeful (copeful)

i think if this next wipe is a banger we'll start seeing growth in player numbers every wipe instead of a decline

[slim scroll]

Maybe I’m wrong but I believe at least relative to the last wipe, we grew this one, right?

[cyan monolith]

yea

[slim scroll]

I just checked the numbers, compared to last wipe we have had less players overall, but more players at end of wipe

[cyan monolith]

water map was really fun to play casually so i see why it grew

[slim scroll]

Season 6, starting in April 2025 averaged 10.6k players, season ended July 2025 at 3k players.
Season 7 starting in September 2025 averaged 9k players (in the next month cause season started end of month), and is now ending at 3.6k players

Though since S7 started end of month some of its initial player count boost was averaged out between two months, so maybe S7 starting was closer to 10k average too

Really season 6 and 7 are about the same in player count on average

[valid moss]

can it just wipe already

[scenic dawn]

when they announce wipe date it should just be one week after they wipe

announcing wipe just kills game more

[stoic basin]

Wipe announcement gets me hyped, fresh start and solo self found is the most fun 😈

I just hope we get the new monk class soon

[prime depot]

man im looking forward to see what the HR rewards hint towards

3rd level ice cave would be nasty but i want goblin cave 2nd floor

[mellow monolith]

is the game like dead now? I've been playing a bit these past few days after a long break and I've only come across 2 people so far

[prime depot]

1.89k in dungeon, 1.75k in lobby

[cyan monolith]

Ironmace never fails to ruin my whole life by dragging wipe ❤️ ❤️ ✌️

[stoic basin]

A goblin caves inferno would be cool, add a new boss like a super goblin

[opal knot]

SSF is the best, I push demigod in the first two weeks of wipe just because it’s way more fun fighting people in hodgepodge kits they found themselves instead of a bunch of marketplace minmax clones.

[valid moss]

pls wipe soon school starting soon

[timber orbit]

my semester starts before wipe 😔

[valid moss]

right 😭

[still agate]

sry, doing late wipe to give enough time to finish space map XD

[boreal warren]

@bleak current

@bleak current

yoooo add me pedro

[stoic basin]

The thrill of losing your best kit and not being able to just buy it back is what makes ssf the best

Anyone can just go in geared and die, but they can buy the kit back or something similar

But with SSF it’s like your putting it all on the line and there’s the risk on losing it all that gets the endorphins pumping that dopamine

It even makes green gear worth looking at

[delicate ibex]

Do we even know is ssf is confirmed? You know sdf hates when we have fun the wrong way. He may not do it again.

[stoic basin]

It has been for the previous two wipes if they follow the pattern I’m 98% sure they’ll do it again. It has positive feedback too

[opal knot]

I agree completely. SSF changes the game for the better, nobody can swipe their credit card to buy full gold coin chests and just marketplace their way to the victory screen.

They have to find pieces while playing, make it work, and then be careful not to lose it because it can’t be replaced.

SSF makes this game a roguelike PvP dungeon crawler instead of a minmax pay to win bug stomping simulator.

[scenic dawn]

what server

[stoic basin]

Yesssir, can’t wait to steal all the bizzzz

[scenic dawn]

but then money is just useless so they need to make gear rates better and valuables rates less

[stoic basin]

This wipe on the last day of ssf me and my trio killed a team with viola, it was the greatest come up on the last day

[cyan monolith]

crazy how people think they're onto something as if the solution was that easy it wouldn't be done already

[visual swallow]

xD

[opal knot]

We have a 100k gold sink and a bunch of merchants that let you gamble magical gear. “What do I do with this money?” shouldn’t turn into “nobody can compete without playing marketplace simulator.”

Being able to just straight up buy full BIS kits turns BIS into the new basic, and just jacks up the minimum barrier for entry.

[cyan monolith]

theres literally nothing to do with money in the game during ssf other than buy meds

[autumn ibex]

just reinstalled game since 2023 is this game dead?

[opal knot]

I just think the game is way healthier and more balanced when you can’t spend money to click all your sliders to maximum before a fight, and have to cobble together your advantages by adventuring.

[cyan monolith]

if u cant win fights and profit on a kit just say dat

[opal knot]

If you can’t win fights without spending 50k, just say that.

[cyan monolith]

i can win fights without spending 50k

cause i play tm warlock where 50k is the bare minimum for a kit

[frank nest]

Classes ain't balanced. Gear dependant classes have an edge with a market

[sleek shadow]

Think I'm done until they address druids

[scenic dawn]

how easy was it to get knight status?

[vital basin]

just met my first cheaters wtf in HR ????? lagged for about 20 seconds then couldnt sheath or open doors got rushed by a fighter who was moving really fast and hitting me from range wtff

[cyan monolith]

^

[timber orbit]

1000 hours in game and a desire to help others!

[surreal skiff]

quick question my comarade does dark&darker have a system to put pvp player in versus pvp player or not ?(like arc raider did i enjoy the idear that they did it)

[broken pagoda]

No

[timber orbit]

there is no aggression based matchmaking in this game, only PVP and PVE lobbies you select before queueing

[scenic dawn]

oh ok nothing crazy special then

[timber orbit]

not at all

[surreal skiff]

thx for the info mate

[timber orbit]

No problem, cheers!

[atomic schooner]

multitask

[trim idol]

the dungeons are more important twin

[vital basin]

can u ap grind in the pve HR mode or is it just HR

[trim idol]

pve works

[coarse summit]

yes but you get 25% of the ap

[royal grove]

What is AP for?

[coarse summit]

to get seasonal rewards

[timid current]

what affinity does the spectral cloak unlock at? anyone know?

[vital basin]

25% is almost 2 little but its nice for friends who want seasonal rewards and dont play often

[timber orbit]

instructions clear, dropped out during my final semester

[trim idol]

w's in the chat

[coarse summit]

Well its 0 risk to your kit etc and i think its like that to push you into pvp

[bleak coyote]

You die you lose your kit. It's really not zero risk. Not worth the bad loot and low ap at all imo

[timid current]

what affinity does the spectral cloak unlock at? anyone know?

[coarse summit]

yes you can die to pve but its pretty hard to do that once you know what youre doing

[visual aurora]

hey guys, just wanted to ask whats the current state of the game cause last time it was all super dire, any major changes in the last like 3 months?

[timid current]

lowkeniunely anything could happen in hr tho

[trim idol]

prob 150 most items in game are 150

[timid current]

hope so, the craft section isn't updating in this stupid chud game

[coarse summit]

not if you take your time tbh, only thing i can think of is dying to lag or a bug

[trim idol]

let the merchant reset

[timid current]

did they remove the updating merchants by changing character? it doesn't work anymore

[coarse summit]

yup

[timid current]

hella dope

[coarse summit]

a long with selling things in trade with different characters 😔

[trim idol]

made the game TOO playable

[timid current]

they just can't take a step forward without taking 5 back

[bleak coyote]

Lucky headshots from crossbowmen still single tap without warning. Also... The severe lack of exit portals. In hr you can kill for them . Reach inferno in hr PvE with 4 trios? Lmao, goodluck

[timid current]

btw anyone seeing hella cheaters? esp on eu

you're lucky if you get a match without 1

[coarse summit]

again if you take your time you wouldnt be in a position for a crossbowman to hs you

[trim idol]

cant find cheaters or any1 for that matter on east

[cyan monolith]

havent seen a cheater on eu in 3 seasons

[timid current]

how bro

[coarse summit]

as for portals youre probably right but is the game even alive enough for 4 trios to be in hell?

[cyan monolith]

cause there arent any

[timid current]

i legit get ban notifications every day, there are

[cyan monolith]

so thats a lie

[timid current]

no it's not bro??? i legit dmed a mod yesterday and got some more banned

i get 2-3 ban notifs every day

if ur not seeing cheaters that's prolly cuz you can't tell

[cyan monolith]

full lying haha

[timid current]

W rb

[bleak coyote]

Have 2 teammates who lost artifacts due to lack of portals. Not worth the risk for blue loot at all.

[coarse summit]

lmao thats on them for bringing artis to get a green lantern and 3 trinkets

[bleak coyote]

They bringing artifacts to have fun with them. Can't have that right

[coarse summit]

im not defending pve btw if you think i am, the loot is ass and its just there to handhold people dont want to pvp

[bleak coyote]

I hate PvP but barely touched PvE hr because the loot is so ass. Just been ratting regular hr in squire

[coarse summit]

yeah youre not wrong about that i killed pve hr wyvern to see what the loot was like and got 2 purples lol

[bleak coyote]

I still feel they should just make it a whole seperate thing. Give PvE hr everything regular has including artifacts. And just make all of it non tradable and only usable in PvE

[quaint dagger]

It's suppose to be ass there's practically no risk

[coarse summit]

thats what ive been saying

[lusty maple]

most horrendous take i've seen in a while

[coarse summit]

-minus the artifacts tho those should only be real hr

[bleak coyote]

Neither is there in regular hr when it is dead

[quaint dagger]

so you're logic is based on the current state of the game and not the normal player count? You've lost it

[vital basin]

noticing alot of cheaters also

[bleak coyote]

The game is dead, has been all season. Ive been running in near empty hr

[quaint dagger]

so you'd like for them to bring out useless pve content for an even smaller audience of players?

[kindred iris]

fix the god damn shields ffs

[bleak coyote]

You prefer them to continue their current direction? I suck at PvP and avoid it and made it to the top 40 of ap this season... That should tell you something about how dead hr has been. No one is playing, everything is empty

[quaint dagger]

Didn't say their direction was good, pve HR was a terrible decision, water map was a bad decision they narrowed the already small pool of players further. I'm simply saying your suggestion is braindead

[coarse summit]

youre playing ice map im guessing

[kindred iris]

FIX THE GOD DAMN SHIELDS

[bleak coyote]

Of course. Better loot. Castle is all blue, defeats the point of hr

[coarse summit]

ice map is pretty dead for players

[cyan monolith]

buff montagne

[quaint dagger]

Ahh see now your reasoning for pve content makes sense you're ass at the game

[bleak coyote]

Yup. I'm terrible and on the top. That tells you the state of the game dude

[coarse summit]

if you were in gobos or ruins youd be finding alot more people

[slate cape]

The entire game is

[quaint dagger]

Didn't you read his message Yak HE AVOIDS PVP

[coarse summit]

yes but ice is especially dead and the guy is saying the entire hr scene is empty

when it isnt if you go to the correct map for pvp

[quaint dagger]

The guy who plays ice AP farms and also avoids pvp in general says the HR lobbies are empty? you must be delusional old man

[coarse summit]

😔

[bleak coyote]

There is no problem with the hr game being dead if you just avoid playing half of the maps " right. No problem at all

[warm fable]

no way lobbies are dead at the end of the season 🤯

[quaint dagger]

crazy right LOL

[coarse summit]

no one is saying the game doesnt have a population problem but its exacerbated by it being end of wipe

you said yourself you avoid pvp anyway so isnt it a win win for oyu

[lusty maple]

people have preferences what are you saying

[coarse star]

I mean games pop is good first month or two.

Wipes are just way way too long so pop lowers end wipe and there is less player retention for the next wipe

[bleak coyote]

Preferences, like PvE?

[opal knot]

You think wipe every 90 days would be too much, or just right?

[bleak coyote]

Dead modes are not a win to anybody. Just because I don't enjoy PvP doesn't mean I don't want the mode to thrive.

[coarse star]

Yeah, there supposed to be 3 months, they end up being 4 months(this wipe will be almost 5 months)

I think it should be around 2 months even if a ton of content isn’t ready.

1-2 weeks of ssf. 4-5 weeks of dungeon, then an end of wipe even for last week or two

3 months wouldn’t be that bad if it was every actually 3 months

[opal knot]

Yea, dragging it out 5-6 months makes people feel like the game is dying for sure, everyone completes their objectives, gets bored and leaves, and then there's still two plus months of just waiting for it to be over.

Hopefully with some of the lawsuit stuff having been reversed, there's a bit less stress and more time/money on hand for development.

[bronze geyser]

is spec knight invulnerable when hes phasing?

[pulsar cove]

So we gonna just keep tweaking numbers instead of releasing a new wipe with content

[cyan monolith]

So we gonna just keep tweaking numbers instead of releasing a new wipe with content

[flat harness]

The problem is we have a lot of casuals that just play for new content

[sudden hatch]

i mean if they could have like actual content done in between those wipes itd be allrigjt

[flat harness]

So these numbers are inflated, most of them are players that wont play hr lobbies or even try to run good kits

[tawdry heron]

Not playing HR doesn't mean numbers are inflated