the-tavern

[flat harness]

Imo they should boost s2r loot but maybe make those items selfbound so you cant abuse the gamemode for gold

[round estuary]

norms and hr are so dead rn

they might as well rename the game "Squire to Riches... Actually just Squire"

[shrewd merlin]

Well I've played a lot of PvP games competitively, and I notice patterns fairly quickly, and try to theory craft the optimal strategies. What I noticed is that the game always comes back to two main things... Speed and throwables/ranged.

Of course, many fights are decided by experience, but understanding those two main things is not hard, so naturally the more players you have the more metas arise. Metas always gravitate towards things because of "survival of the fittest" style evolution.

Perhaps there is not enough players now to fully expose these issues with the PvP, like there was when buff-ball was a major issue, and how triple wizard was ridiculous in arena, etc.

What I believe will happen is if the player count was say, 100,000, we'd see nothing but max speed rogues with double crossbow, rupture, cut throat, and infinite throwables and meds.

The game will eventually boil down to the true core of combat: whether you have more speed than the other person, and whether you have enough throwables and meds. - It will simply be an rng battle of who throws in a way that counters the other guy's dodge pattern.

So I'd say the fact that there is less players is actually helping combat variety... But bad for matchmaking algorithms.

[visual swallow]

they should just expand s2r into a ssf hardcore gamemode. you get to make a char that starts at lvl 15 or w/e so you have 4 perks, squire kit, and then if you extract, you can queuee with the kit you extracted with into a s2r+ queue and if you die the make a new s2r char and go again

[dapper pike]

this is what i want for sure

[worn rain]

In my opinion, the problem is the lack of content. Of course, there are many issues with fine-tuning the details, but if there is more fun content, the number of positive opinions will increase.

[visual swallow]

the only part I don't like about current s2r is no matter how well I do, I just vendor the kit and go back to squire

[worn rain]

Probably January. It's in the patch notes.

[round estuary]

I would say timing, knowing when to turn on someone who is chasing/throwing throwables at you, because having throwables out puts said person at a disadvantage if they get turned on. There's a lot more than just that I don't want to list it all lol

[round estuary]

you're playing it for the fun, not the loot

you like the come up within that game mode and the fact everyone is seemingly on an even footing

[dapper pike]

or even just an ssf queue that works like s2r with random trios. so i can continue after a successful run with more randoms

[visual swallow]

ya I mean it is fun, and I often just take the kit into norms, but it would be cool if there was more to it

I pretty much don't loot at all in s2r now though, it would be fun if looting did serve a purpose

[shrewd merlin]

well of course, but every pvp game has micro movement mistakes. I personally think micro-move mistakes should not be the core of combat... It's reliant of ping, fps, etc. and it's not very strategic... I'd add way more gap closers, hooks, push aways, slows, ccs, etc. so it's not just a run away and juke back fight... yeah sure you can have some of that, but if that's how fights are being decided, it's kind of lame.

[dapper pike]

for lots of pvp games, playing solo means youre always on a team with random teammates, and i think thatd work fine in this game. youd want a separate queue for premades though. and we're back to the problem of the game already having way too many split queues

[visual swallow]

solos was a mistake and always has been

[round estuary]

the purpose is to get a gear advantage over everyone else in the lobby

[visual swallow]

ya I just don't bother any more

[dapper pike]

s2r feels like a scuffed battle royale, you drop in, equip whatever you find lying around then go run at other teams

[visual swallow]

pretty much

[round estuary]

ya spacing and positioning is huge as well, also playing around mobs. It is gimmicky but there's so much more at play.

we made artificial depth in simplicity

[shrewd merlin]

True. They're trying so hard to build all this vanity content like maps and new bosses, but they need to be giving you more reasons to load up.

Progression/reward systems, RNG elements, and just plain cool stuff that's for everyone and every dungeon, not locked away on some new map.

[shrewd merlin]

It's another one of the aspects that are highly reliant on speed aswell, if you have low speed you can never catch someone with a juke if they're playing at the correct range with throwables... So once players get good enough at chasing and not making a movement mistake, it all comes back to throwables and speed.

[tacit ore]

This season was the first test of it, and I'd say that it was overall a success. I think i would enjoy a mode like that as well. Who knows how they will develop it?

[tacit ore]

One of the issues has always been that aside from class content for older classes, most of the community is divided on what should be prioritized

[dapper pike]

yeah i came back to the game after a few months only intending to play pve, just wanted to run around the dungeons killing mobs and looting. but the quests are so bad i gave up on completing most of them, and there is a limit to how long the pve stays engaging on its own so now i run it down in s2r. i want to move on to geared lobbies but my options are either solo or try to find people in discord to play with, theres no next step in the game alone

[tacit ore]

I think that's why they wanted to prioritize the gathering hall next. The game really needs ways to build community outside of discord

[dapper pike]

yeah, its a pretty fundamental thing the game is missing

[jaunty kelp]

I've started playing dnd 3 weeks ago, atm I feel like it's the absolutely best game community I ever met, thank you all

[pliant gyro]

Alright chat im back to die repeatedly in the goblin caves phonk walk gif

[earnest night]

Can you get your gear back from the goblin merchant in adventure mode?

[shrewd merlin]

The solo player progression is all out of wack, and the game operates in "bucket" type systems so the difficulty level of going up a gear score bracket or game mode is such a giant jump of skill and gear, that easing into anything is practically impossible for a new player.

The hardest bosses in my opinion are on the first floor, which is another example of bad difficulty progression

[valid moss]

why is there so many mobs in the hell module for arena

can they nerf that srsly

[summer grail]

So they won the court case or wha

[visual swallow]

it seems so, but the last paragraph says something like they're going to appeal again? or something? idk

[graceful wyvern]

would never have played this game but for solos

[visual swallow]

doesn't change the fact that it was a mistake lol

[jaunty kelp]

I love solos

[graceful wyvern]

i dont think forcing 3s would have kept the game alive

or pulled it to its peak

[atomic schooner]

cause its just a normal dungeon room

[graceful wyvern]

the guy talking about how pvp is too simplistic is on some level right, many fights are decided by single positioning or timing mistakes, there is rarely that much back and forth in 1-1 trades.

in 3s you get to play door and doorer

[atomic schooner]

yes. pvp is infact normally decided by one person messing up. thats how it is in most gamesa

[graceful wyvern]

missing the point

[gaunt oracle]

in adventure mode norms, yes. you can buy back what you brought in if you dont extract. in PVE HR tho your gear is gone

[little flume]

I hope whoever put the goblin caves spider map into arena rotation had a horrendous christmas

[gaunt oracle]

bring multiclassing to PVE modes only
make PVE loot Non-tradeable and PVE-Only
make PVE HR drop the same quality as PVP HR
add arena gear + gems
remove mobs from arena, add traps and hazards
buff penguin

[visual swallow]

counter strike is actually really simple because often it just comes down to who gets the first headshot, I am very smart

[misty ridge]

Mmm remove arena

[visual swallow]

[misty ridge]

That's my honest opinion

[mighty sparrow]

Only if PvE goes first

[misty ridge]

Oki doki

[dusty badger]

Remove the only fun thing in the game?

[misty ridge]

I don't think it's fun, I have a lot more fun in the dungeons

[warm fable]

[dusty badger]

Dungeons are a ghost town, I just want to pvp and not kill timmys all day.

[misty ridge]

I think Arena more often than not just makes me frustrated due to bad matchups becoming virtually unwinnable

[visual swallow]

I like arena, it's a nice changeup, I wouldn't cry much if it was removed. I wish the game was more focused in many ways

[shy linden]

when the wipe ?

[misty ridge]

Scheduled for January

[dusty badger]

They need to find a way to bring more ppl back to the dungeons, then I would agree.

[misty ridge]

I used to enjoy Arena a lot more, I think ssf is fine but limiting gear just feels sorta mehhh

[visual swallow]

there's people in the dungeons, there's just 70 fuckin queues in NA lol

[slow ivy]

I don't think it's fun either, that's why I've never played one single match in arena. But just because you don't like it, something you're not forced to partake in, why call to have it removed? That's just...dlckish. lol

[dusty badger]

SSF is kinda cheeks but I can craft decent gear so its not all bad.

[graceful wyvern]

ssf would be great if they kept increasing the gear cap instead of yanking everyone back to purple for no reason

[misty ridge]

Because from my perspective I don't really think it's worth putting in all that thought and effort to balance it when it's always been a secondary mode. I'd much rather time be dedicated to new content additions or base-game balance

[visual swallow]

they put effort in to balancing it?

[slow ivy]

I get that. But to be fair, the devs lack of performance predates the arena.

[dusty badger]

See this makes more sense than what sdf is cookin

[misty ridge]

I meant specifically I would prefer Arena be removed, or receive no updates, than for Ironmace to start focusing on it

[slow ivy]

I can certainly get behind having more minions in the arena and making them all Nightmare level difficulty. lol

[visual swallow]

fair enough

[shy linden]

😄 thats to long to wait man all players allready gone for arc raiders what are you guys wait for

[misty ridge]

I understand it is what so many others enjoy and I am happy for them but the actual dungeon experience has felt neglected to me for quite a while

[burnt mantle]

who has a claw GO IN TRADE PLEASE

[misty ridge]

My main point is: I would prefer Dark and Darker have a more enjoyable dungeon delving experience without Arena than what we have now.

Btw, I don't think it's currently unenjoyable but I think it lacks the depth needed to keep people coming back

I think the appeal of Arena currently is the instant-action you don't get from the dungeons

[dapper pike]

how bout they remove the market and the whole game is ssf again

[visual swallow]

they really messed up adding new maps into their own queue instead of just adding additional levels to a single dungeon

[slow ivy]

And, they should 100%, introduce risk to arena. The losing team/player should be lootable by the winner. No one likes zero risk.

[misty ridge]

Ahh, but nobody likes losing their stuff either

[sinful birch]

how to reduce the player base even more lmao

[broken pagoda]

🇨 🇭 🇦 🇳 🇬 🇪 🇦 🇷 🇪 🇳 🇦 🗺️ 🇳 🇴 🇼

[slow ivy]

It's just fair, the same people who squeal about people running squire gear in HR....I think you get where I'm going with this.

[misty ridge]

I'm more on the side that Arena shouldn't reward winners

*that much

[dapper pike]

i think it makes sense to have a zero risk zero reward game mode, practice with your gear, try out different sets and builds

[misty ridge]

It is a side mode

[slow ivy]

But they already have that...I think they call it Adventure Mode with it's bastardized loot tables. lol

[broken pagoda]

I hope they reward people for just playing arena rather than the people who just win with premades and reach "high elo" fast

[dapper pike]

yeah but arena is kinda like that for pvp

[misty ridge]

I don't think Arena should be the means to high-end gear or items.

That role should be fulfilled by HR PvPvE

[echo gulch]

wipe day info ?

[misty ridge]

It is scheduled for some time in January. We do not have the exact day yet

[echo gulch]

thanks !

[heavy raft]

wipe hype

[valid moss]

they should nerf the mobs, its supposed to be pvp not pve lmaop

the game would be 10x better if they do so

[visual swallow]

arena participation trophies lol

[slow ivy]

I feel arena was slopped together because of low player numbers. Too many people were complaining about empty lobbies. Solution: Let's give them a place to play to stop the complaining.

Then they complained about losing gear in arena, so you gave them a risk free place to play.

[wet tiger]

wen multiclass

[valid moss]

i just started playing this game 13 days ago and it kinda is disappointing that i will lose matches either 1. team doesnt lock wraith, 2. someone has wraith aggro in between battle, and much more reasons. its just so unnecessary IMO

the fact u have so many sub bosses in a small tight module is ridiciulous and whilst trying to fight lol

[shrewd merlin]

There should be no limits to the gear you can find and use in the arena imo, it defeats the purpose of searching for the best items in the game, you just end up crafting every piece instead of bossing

[valid moss]

team can win if u pull hella mobs towards enemy team too, esp in the hell module

[dapper pike]

you can use wiz or rogue invis to try and drop the mobs on the enemy team

[valid moss]

eh i think how gear is set up is good, it forces ppl to play other modes of the game to get good pieces for arena

[valid moss]

yes ive seen this many times LMFAO

😭 its so cheese ffs

the mobs r insaneee 😭

[slow ivy]

Why do you say it's cheese? Sounds like a solid strat to me.

[dapper pike]

it would make more sense to remove mobs from arena and make it pvp only. the dungeons already have pvpve for those that want it

and the mobs massively benefit the classes that can abuse them, while hurting the classes that cant deal with them

[visual swallow]

it's extra stupid in arena because there's no where to go. In normal dungeon you can leave the module, in arena you can't, it's pretty shit

[slow ivy]

The problem is that, just because one class can do a thing that another class cannot, doesn't mean that it's unbalanced. lol

[valid moss]

Lol. no one said that. pls read

theres obv counters

[visual swallow]

in the dungeon when someone tries to dump pve on us we just leave the module and close the door and like half the time they die to their own pve train they made, in arena you can't leave the module

[slow ivy]

You did. You literally said that.

[worn rain]

I think the problem is the number of monsters in the arena. Using Hide or Phantomize to shift the target to my opponent is strong.

[valid moss]

im refering to the modules ^ _ ^

not the class itself, im saying warlocks are having the upper hand in these modules 😄

[slow ivy]

Oh ok, looked like you were talking about the classes...lol. My bad.

[valid moss]

NP

[shy linden]

if they want the people come back they need to focus balance class not the skins . like literaly i spent 10 k a kit and hit 1 tap from bonk wiz or warlock 🙂 or barb can run 330 ms

[valid moss]

yep

[limber cairn]

mob dumping 2 minibosses on the enemy team using invis as wizard lol

[slow ivy]

Mini bosses shouldn't be in the arena...but the minions should increased and they should be Nightmare level.

[valid moss]

the game has so much potential too, i love the fps, movement, mechanics, etc. ive never grinded a new game this hard in a really long time, i hope they can make good changes

[limber cairn]

while also hasting them

[valid moss]

yeah its so annoying

i hope changes will be made soon, this is my new fav game🙏

[dapper pike]

well the good news is they are always jsut testing things out, so they will probably get rid of the mobs again at some point. the bad news is they will also bring them back, randomly, for no obvious reason

[valid moss]

yeah i see. the last i played this game was during its early playtest in 2022

its definitely come a long ways, i stopped playing it bc it was removed off steam, glad its back tho and i like most of the changes except the water map and pve in arena 😐

[dapper pike]

i stopped playing for a few months and just came back a couple weeks ago. was pleasantly surprised to see they have actually made some good changes since then, but they do also make a lot of weird changes that seem to just annoy everyone, especially when it happens in the middle of a wipe

[valid moss]

oof. i hope things change for the better going forward

[tulip isle]

In the dungeon I'm also not forced to try and fight a ranger on bridge or any other super open module.
In dungeon I'm also not stuck in a tiny circular room with 3 melees running me down.

Almost like arena is not the real game

[valid moss]

tru

[visual swallow]

it's a different game mode, well observed lol

[valid moss]

the mobs make the pvp more unbalanced thats a fact

warlocks should have like 2k + rating no excuses bc of it

[visual swallow]

the sub bosses make pvping in a single module incredibly annoying

[tulip isle]

Mobs exist in normal dungeon too btw

[valid moss]

devs should DEFINITELY see that

[tulip isle]

And after first round most mobs should be dead

[visual swallow]

tfw can't tell if playing dumb or just dumb

[valid moss]

there shouldnt be any pve in pvp. thats just me tho, ive played many pvp and never have to deal with pve in mmos

[tulip isle]

Yeah idk why they brought those back esp elite wraiths just giga griefs the team that has it on them

[valid moss]

a warlocks winrate should be extremely high bc of it

and yeah um they should deff nerf warlock

just slightly

[tulip isle]

yeah bro the mobs in arena make lock so op that's why it's like bottom 3 warlord classes

[valid moss]

bc all of those mobs are blood bags for locks + opponents, its so ridiciulous lmfao

[visual swallow]

heal lock is op af first round of arena, but then the mobs get cleared out and they can't kite through multiple modules and they're not nearly as strong

[tulip isle]

mobs exist in normal dungeon too and you don't have to play potentially 80% of the match without mobs since most mobs are gonna be dead after round 1

[valid moss]

yeah but not all time do mobs get cleared

[tulip isle]

Someone with a brain

[valid moss]

look idc if mobs are in arena THEY SHOULD ATLEAST NERF IT

there should be 1 sub boss at least

they need to nerf the hell map to the ground its fkn ridiculous

[tulip isle]

most modules are horrible this szn anyway after most were okay last

Last season none of them had mini bosses btw

and they were way better

[valid moss]

yeah i mean i agree but if devs dont wanna remove them well we can at least fight for less mobs

[valid moss]

or u GET 2 ON U

how is tht even better 😭

erm idk about that one

[gaunt oracle]

mobs were a fine diagnostic placeholder, and a simple addition to just get the mode up and working. they are no longer necessary. replace arena mobs with traps and hazards. it'll be a better experience

its not even a noob vs vet issue. if arena is meant to be DaD's ranked competitive PVP mode, monsters have no business being involved.

[valid moss]

bro im agreeing with u

yeah i get that....ive been saying tht

[gaunt oracle]

I understand. Im not coming for you, just explaining why the distinction matters

[limber cairn]

add faustian to arena already

[valid moss]

yeah thats instant uninstall right there

[visual swallow]

[tulip isle]

First good suggestion I've seen

[gaunt oracle]

bring multiclassing to PVE modes only
make PVE loot Non-tradeable and PVE-Only
make PVE HR drop the same quality as PVP HR
add arena gear + gems
remove mobs from arena, add traps and hazards
buff penguin

[valid moss]

please dont advocate for tht they will surely kill the game

[warm sedge]

so is arenas still SSF or what

[valid moss]

what is SSF?

[visual swallow]

solo self found

[tulip isle]

I play arena and I just want them to add better modules and yeah no sub bosses sure.
If you have any issues with normal mobs otherwise idk what to say like it's normals mobs not even nightmares and you're wearing bis

[valid moss]

bro blingi that sounds like ragebait ngl

doesnt even matter bis, u can be kiting while ttrying to heal, or u get body blocked by a mob, u already have to worry about not getting body blocked by ur own team. mobs ruin a lot of the aspects of pvp on this game

[warm sedge]

I was big sad they made arenas SSF recently. like start of next wipe would have been nice but you know

[tulip isle]

All that is part of the game, if you get body blocked by a normal mob should have had better awareness

[valid moss]

No. there are always parts of mmo's PVP and PVE

[gaunt oracle]

my SSF arena kit has 1 item I actually found in the dungeon. The rest, even my weapon swap options, are 100% crafted. "self-found" If we're using an SSF model for arena (which we shouldn't be), the crafting system undermines the entire premise

[tulip isle]

The module is just cancer there isn't a single module from last season where mobs were an issue. Noone complained about mobs last season

They just picked the most cancer modules with cancer mobs this one

[valid moss]

blingi whats ur MMR?

[tulip isle]

2800

[dapper pike]

even the normal mobs do disproportionately affect the different classes. some benefit from the mobs, some can ignore them, some have no choice but to deal with them

[little flume]

Never thought about it exactly that way but I agree. When a new wipe starts, finding arena pieces makes normal dungeons exciting. With the crafting you really just need to pull a good amulet & can quest/gp craft the rest

[valid moss]

ok well mine is 1.9k i just started playing and the mobs are awful i cant do anything if my team dies to mobs, or theyre not doing lock boss strats, etc. it rly doesnt havve much to come to self awareness so i dont think thats a good counter

[tulip isle]

They should just start having someone who actually plays the game tell them which modules to keep and which to replace instead of randomly changing the entire pool to garbage ones

[earnest night]

So I got the leather smith to 150 affinity, but the frostlight riveted gloves and boots don't show up?

wassup with that y'all?

[little flume]

prob need to wait until merchant offerings reset in a few mins

[gaunt oracle]

people will say "just clear the mobs before you fight" as if thats a valid defense for keeping monsters in the dungeon lol
if everyone's optimal strategy is to first clear mobs, why don't we agree to just skip the need for that step and just remove the mobs?

[tulip isle]

The mobs aren't even the biggest issue but the modules are just so horrible and unbalanced like playing bridge with a ranger in one team and none on ht other team is instant gg. Graveyard vs triple melee or double melee cleric also instant gg

[valid moss]

ice caverns i have to worry about that one skeleton with the axe charging at my team, its so unnecessary

[little flume]

Clear the mobs before you fight doesn't work on the goblin caves spider fest

youll die to the darkness before you clean up all of the shit and filth in that mod

[earnest night]

Where can I see something like that?

[peak gazelle]

Any word on next wipe fellas?

[valid moss]

yeah and mobs being the cherry ontop,, theres many things they need to fix i thought this was obvious??

[little flume]

That's the fun part... you can't

[molten orchid]

True man this is the most annoying shit about arena

[earnest night]

is there a specific time that it does reset?

[little flume]

It seems to be quick man, like idk 20-30 mins maybe

I guarantee others know better

[valid moss]

🤦‍♀️

[rare socket]

idea: pve but with player versus player combat

[gaunt oracle]

The ultimate goal should be arena having its own gear options, removing the need to enter the dungeons at all. If arena worked how a ranked competitive mode should, you'd visit a vendor with FREE gear of an appropriate power level to your rank. No random rolls. All rolls come from FREE gems that can roll what random modules would have. +attributes included. Build your bis and run it.

Then put that same system on the test server for ALL GEAR like it should have been from day 1

[valid moss]

imagine d&d becomes an esport

[tulip isle]

that would remove like the only progression goal this game has tho

[rare socket]

i would prefer arena be replaced with like rock papers scissors or something good

[long mantle]

i love arena when people grief on purpose.

[tulip isle]

just make crafted gear non ssf so you actually care about finding stuff in dungeon

For next wipe

[gaunt oracle]

demigod, quests, religion, the dopamine of winning a bis kit in PVP... if those aren't enough progression and reward systems to support PVP HR, I got bad news for the longevity of the mode independent of any other game mode

[valid moss]

also add penalities for ppl WHO GRIEF IN ARENA! u should honestly lose more elo for losses, -13 isnt cutting it for some

[graceful wyvern]

best i can do is only being able to report every 5 extractions

[gaunt oracle]

if the only way to make PVP dungeons popular is to gimp the other game modes, PVP dungeons are fucked buddy

[tulip isle]

none of this is a long term progression I got demi in first three days of wipe, religion is sth you finish whenever you have spare gold or are done w wipe, and you stop caring about gear once you have enough sets and gold where it doesn't matter

[sonic oasis]

when is the wipe date?

[valid moss]

i one time told my wizard on my team can you not kill me, bc bro slapped me with a fireball and another spell on accident ig? then when came time for 2nd round he started charging his spells at me

[gaunt oracle]

none of that has anything to do with arena. like I said, if you need arena to be worse to pull players into pvp dungeons, arena was never the problem

[tulip isle]

Main issue the game has rn is the lack of any long term goals it's just the same

[valid moss]

they need to add top 100 rewards

if they add top 100 rewards like skins = ppl will care more

[tulip isle]

at least perfecting your arena set is something you had to spend some time on

[zealous tulip]

@sonic oasis https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/988662112454836234

[valid moss]

ok but emotes arent good enough, they need to add skins for top 100 male and female

[tulip isle]

Wym people would just collect good gear from day one of wipe and make their ssf sets. Why wouldn't u play arena with actual sst

[zealous tulip]

Have they listed the type of awards for arena?

[oblique lantern]

when the wipe ???

[valid moss]

jan

not sure when but its expected in january

[zealous tulip]

I haven't seen them yet. Will we get awards for the arena that we are playing now?

[oblique lantern]

so in 2 dayes ?

[oblique lantern]

thanks

[valid moss]

IDK exact date

[tulip isle]

Should also make ssf account wide btw, been saying that since first arena season and since it was ssf for the first time.

[valid moss]

out of curiosity

[zealous tulip]

Do we get awards for the arena going now??

Or just next season.

[gaunt oracle]

its just an unnecessary hurdle. game companies love to artificially timegate player progress to maintain interest. that shit does not belong in competitive game modes. it shifts the rating system from a measurement of PVP skill, to a measurement of luck, time, dollars spent, PVE skill... your progress in a ranked PVP game mode should ALWAYS 100% be reflective of your skill at that game mode. Nothing else. Otherwise its just a bunch of people roleplaying as good PVPers

[tulip isle]

I remember finding bis leg frost amulet on my lock and bis leg Phoenix on my bard and I'm just thinking why isn't this account wide like no reason

[zealous tulip]

Heard thank you. I need to go read the announcements.

[valid moss]

oh yikes blingi if u play warlock then ur biased

if ur warlock is 2.8k i wouldnt be surprised it doesnt rly require much skill

🤷‍♀️

[tulip isle]

Yeah that's what I thought too like they can record the character they found it but have issues linking it to an account but it's needed for ssf

for anyone who plays more than one class

[tulip isle]

go make a lock then and show me. You're wiz since that's your only role? top 2 warlord class btw

[valid moss]

i play bard and rogue only in pvp, the wizard role is from 2022 playtest

[gaunt oracle]

I'm putting my tinfoil hat back on that ironmace gets money from Hellen Wong. Mid-season arena gear change that makes ore and hunting loot cost 5x overnight when artifact sales are down? Sure, totally organic.

[tulip isle]

more importantly make sashes stay in arena

[valid moss]

it makes since why ur views on pvp is so skewered...

[molten orchid]

In a way I think cool cosmetics are long term. Always fun to be og. Just doesn’t matter if the game is dead though

“Og”

[tulip isle]

bro you're a self admitted new player, I have 4300h in this game and played every class extensively, hit 2800+ on wiz, barb, lock, fighter in previous seasons but I'm not making multiple crafted kits this one

[neon kite]

What is this debate about ?

[shrewd merlin]

A lute is all you need friend.

[tulip isle]

there is like 3 TM locks above 2800 total rn but go ahead try it if you think it's so good in arena

[molten orchid]

Casters are tough

[valid moss]

😂 bro wants mobs to stay and all bc he mains warlock in arena

[neon kite]

You play rogue and bard and you want mobs gone?

[tulip isle]

What's that got to do with what I said

[valid moss]

not just mobs the sub bosses as well 😄

[molten orchid]

Change the modules not the bosses

[tulip isle]

I literally said they should remove sub bosses or the modules w sub bosses but ok

[gaunt oracle]

bring multiclassing to PVE modes only
make PVE loot Non-tradeable and PVE-Only
make PVE HR drop the same quality as PVP HR
add arena gear + gems
remove mobs from arena, add traps and hazards
buff penguin

[valid moss]

ok SORRY 13 days on the game and i dont have 2.8k like u not like i literally was grinding for my gear and quests before i entered arena

[molten orchid]

Ur getting ragebaited bro

[tulip isle]

cool bro play more than 13 days before u think u should voice opinions on balance

[valid moss]

read the room

[molten orchid]

I like this guy

[neon kite]

Y’all having that much issues with mobs huh.

[valid moss]

L rage baits

[neon kite]

Y’all gotta have green kits on for sure

Maybe even squire ?

[tulip isle]

Yeah idk this guy is dying cause of white mobs in a crafted bis kit so they need to be removed

[valid moss]

nah if u enter arena without crafted gear or gemed gear ur obviously throwing

[neon kite]

Y’all the barbarians rushing across the map into a ranger and a wizard aren’t yall

[pulsar lantern]

Lowkey nerf penguin

[valid moss]

I have crafted gear but ok?

[dusty badger]

if we buy gear from the merchants it should count as found by that character.

[valid moss]

a frost amulet with +all attributes but k

[neon kite]

Ryan6daysaweek got tutorials for you

[dapper pike]

make warlock a pve only class

[lean steppe]

they need to add multiclassing back for the one time

[valid moss]

yeah so blingi cant get on here and cry about pvp

[tulip isle]

Only one crying is u but k

[neon kite]

Lmaooo blingi you dying to mobs as a warlock ?!? Tf wrong w you

[valid moss]

i dont have any respect for warlocks and esp one trying to use their implicit bias on the gamemode

[long mantle]

lost 2 matches in placements im 1682 wtf ?

[valid moss]

no hes saying mobs shouldnt be tampered with as a warlock main btw

😂 yikes

[molten orchid]

Blingji you gotta chill out man

[neon kite]

So why are we against mobs in arenas

[tulip isle]

I'm saying there shouldn't be modules w sub bosses in arena but normal mobs are fine

Idk why this weirdo is being so antagonistic

[neon kite]

Bro yall would have hated what I wanted PUT A BOSS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ARENA

[molten orchid]

Now that would be a reason to play arena

[valid moss]

nah i always agreed with ur points in beginning until you said it came down to awareness

now ur just being biased, sorry i dont have phantom like u

[tulip isle]

it does if you get stuck on mobs and die that's a lack of awareness

[molten orchid]

That’s true

[neon kite]

I swear 🤣🤣😭🙏 cave troll fight

[valid moss]

? i never said i got stuck on mobs

im talking in general its something u need to be INTENTIONALLY aware about

[dapper pike]

troll room as an arena module would be great

[dusty badger]

can the devs stop smoking opium too? that would be great.

[neon kite]

MAN we getting wraiths and shxt why not a wyvern chat gon LOVE this

[valid moss]

yeah just add a wyvern atp

👋

[visual swallow]

ya I've been sayin for a while that wyvern platform both with the wyvern alive, but also with the wyvern dead and the low grav floor boost active should be arena modules

[neon kite]

Man I’m not the only one trippin then let’s goooo

[tulip isle]

Here u complained about getting body blocked by mobs

[valid moss]

yeah u guys cant be real

[lofty dagger]

why are we running out of purple diamonds on the market??

[valid moss]

ok u can get body blocked at any point in time in arena? im not saying me personally i lost bc of it, its just facts

[neon kite]

Y’all needa hit PVE MODE fast and not SLOW

[zealous tulip]

I think boss in arena would be killer, but it has to drop bis loot.

[valid moss]

i am no longer interacting with warlock mains 👋

and u should stop typing

[neon kite]

😱

[dapper pike]

what about that crypts module with the treasure pile, skelly champ and wraith

[valid moss]

if u think wyern should be added unironically

[tulip isle]

make HR warlord arena so everyone dies to pve

[neon kite]

Man that’s what I’m sayin

[zealous tulip]

Wyvern is the middle of arena would be amazing actually.

[dapper pike]

omg yeah whoever makes it to the little circle first wins

[zealous tulip]

That's a good idea.

[visual swallow]

wyvern platform would be the manliest arena module

[neon kite]

LMAO

[valid moss]

hope u guys are being sarcastic

[neon kite]

Nah gango we fr here

[tulip isle]

good, was wasting my time anyway talking to a rogue main who played this game for two weeks and thinks he knows everything

[zealous tulip]

I'm never sarcastic. I think homie came up with a great idea.

[lusty portal]

Pls let the arena without mob

[visual swallow]

[neon kite]

Fuck it wyvern module w 3 bosses

[zealous tulip]

No mobs, but bosses.

[neon kite]

I fw the vision

[lusty portal]

Free arena

free this game

[zealous tulip]

My only sarcastic thought is that they add Bowser for this new volcano map. Haha.

[tulip isle]

1x1m moshpit with 6 people stuck in there

[lusty portal]

freedent

[zealous tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-bros-fattyaroobian-bowser-aroobian-gif-23068465

[tulip isle]

Im a girl btw

[zealous tulip]

/cue mario music

I'm a girl too. Hai.

[neon kite]

What if I’m half 🫩

[gaunt oracle]

im a primate

[zealous tulip]

Moshpit would be... fire.

[lusty portal]

i'm a Pingoo !!

[valid moss]

🥱

[zealous tulip]

Then, you half. Lol. We dont discriminate here... unless you're dumb. Then, you gotta go.

[lusty portal]

Buff pingoo pls

[gaunt oracle]

bring multiclassing to PVE modes only
make PVE loot Non-tradeable and PVE-Only
make PVE HR drop the same quality as PVP HR
add arena gear + gems
remove mobs from arena, add traps and hazards
buff penguin

[zealous tulip]

Animatronics can be females, right?

[neon kite]

Come on now …. Add bosses gotta be the best thing ever said here

[zealous tulip]

Get rid of the stupid penguin.

[valid moss]

i wish i can react to msgs

[neon kite]

Add gorilla bug penguin add a donkey and make rat a sewer rat

[dapper pike]

with the lava map theyll need to give druid a salamander form or something

[valid moss]

😔

[zealous tulip]

@neon kite You're right. That's genius, Mr. Einstein.

[gaunt oracle]

I want my wisp form. We blindin errbody out here

[neon kite]

Lmfaooo 🤛🏻

[zealous tulip]

They should hire you for the game. Shit may get done around here.

I love lava lamps.

[valid moss]

📉

[neon kite]

Throw traps at every corner of the map nerf loot make arena only found gear no craft

[visual swallow]

"what if druid had another form that was tiny and hard to hit and annoying"

[zealous tulip]

Or if the druid could fly.

[neon kite]

Druid can fly tho

[valid moss]

🙂

[zealous tulip]

Like some stupid ass bird.

[visual swallow]

they have that

[valid moss]

fr just switch panther and chicken fast panther dash

[tulip isle]

Make watermap druid only map and the only map druid can queue on game saved

[zealous tulip]

Hence why I dont play druid.

[lusty portal]

just buff pingoo and make him do little dash jump

[valid moss]

no

[zealous tulip]

I'm talking like a condor or an eagle...but I just had it explained to me by sm.

[lusty portal]

and soe cutez noises

[dapper pike]

theres bound to be a glitch with penguin form that triggers the swim animation out of water so you can free fly around the map. only a matter of time til someone finds it

[lusty portal]

and also set the mob in arena map OFF

[neon kite]

NO

[lusty portal]

[neon kite]

BOSSES IN ARENA

[lusty portal]

go in HR let us have some fun

[neon kite]

😭

[lusty portal]

[neon kite]

I hope a bat kills you in arena

[lusty portal]

nevr happns its just waste of time

[neon kite]

I hope a wraith kills ur teammate

[lusty portal]

never happns too i kill before

but its boring to have to kill it

( what can u do against this )

[neon kite]

Why everyone hate mobs man ….

Moblifesmatter

[lusty portal]

they are in the wrong mode that's it

let create a state for them

near egypt

[zealous tulip]

I'm a dough spender, top dropper
Big watch-er, Bish knocker, better watch er.

[neon kite]

[lusty portal]

free the mob let them get out of arenas pls

[zealous tulip]

Literally me waiting on the wipe and update.

Get mobs out.. let bosses in.

[lusty portal]

no mobs no bosses nothing else than 6 people and suqare map

[zealous tulip]

That would be lame and repetitive.

Especially if it is a square map. That takes away from the game and would probably kill it. M

[lusty portal]

this is the point of arena

close map just fighting

[dapper pike]

how bout they make Four Rooms the only arena module forever

[lusty portal]

everything else can be done into HR mode

the elevator goblin would eb the perfect map

[zealous tulip]

That would make wizards and druids unbeatable. A square map... there would be no hiding... no corners.. no cover. Literally just you and the person in front of you.

[lusty portal]

square map doesnt mean nothing to hide lol

[neon kite]

iS IT just a square map or are there pillars in it

[zealous tulip]

When you say square... I'm thinking just a square.. and that's it.. open land.

[lusty portal]

no i mean not the bridge map for exemple

[dapper pike]

flatgrass from garrys mod

[zealous tulip]

Oh gotcha.

[lusty portal]

Goblin elevator , 4 rooms

no mobs , just skill and mindgame

as it should be and as it is in all other games

[neon kite]

SDF doesnt cater tho

[long mantle]

yea did my placements lost only 2 matches placed 1682 now i get teamates killing each other every other round rip.

[neon kite]

What class?

[zealous tulip]

If anything sdf will add more mobs. I really dont think he listens to his player base. Which is sad.. taken for example Scott cawthon and fnaf. He listened to his fan base and now their are 8 or 9 games... fan games.. and movies.. and he started out with less than sdf did.

[ripe glen]

Happy to see only 3k people are left playing this. It'll never be what it was in the beta and it's probably best it's heading in this direction :]

[gaunt oracle]

you're so cool

[static zodiac]

Five

[neon kite]

OSRS IS TRASH

[static zodiac]

FIVE

[zealous tulip]

Five?

[static zodiac]

Five is the answer to all

[zealous tulip]

Nah that's 6 7!!!!

[neon kite]

89

[lusty portal]

Why 7 8 9 ?

[static zodiac]

Five deniers

[modest raptor]

q b

game is dying day after day

People loosing stuff in arena despite its purple solo self found, great really great

[lusty portal]

arena map rotation + mob is really comic

[paper sail]

day 9 fuckin million of the devs refusing to nerf invis hide cutthroat rogue bullshit

makes half the classes in the game unplayable with 0 counter play

[static zodiac]

Ghost dust

[lusty portal]

bro u stuck in 2021

[paper sail]

Yes let me spam a throwable at every square inch of the game because the devs cant make some shit balanced

[static zodiac]

Or just check your corners

[paper sail]

Yall wonder why theres 3 classes in solos

[vale crow]

Game was peak when fist cleric was viable

[modest raptor]

wtf are you on about
I want it

[static zodiac]

Don’t check corners, get jumped cause you have no situational awareness? you die

[paper sail]

Lemme check my corners against an invisible landmine

[static zodiac]

Situational awareness

[paper sail]

"just check ur corners for the enemy who is invisible, has silent footsteps, and cutthroat"

[dapper pike]

dont die to the invisible man

[vale crow]

Just dodge the attacks, dagger has terrible reach

[static zodiac]

Well they are only able to be invis for so long

Plus rogue has 0 reach, rogue was OP like two seasons ago

[gaunt oracle]

anybody been keeping up with the krampus gold bells? how many have you turned in toward your chest? im at 4

[static zodiac]

8

[lusty portal]

2 years ago u mean

[paper sail]

"just dodge the attacks" "just detect the invisible enemy" "just hear the guy with creep"

[gaunt oracle]

oh cool im not TOO far behind, ty

[vale crow]

Dude its like a toothpick

[paper sail]

the only counterplay is hope the enemy has bad aim and horrible MS LOL

[vale crow]

Or just fight back or wait to toggle skills

[paper sail]

Yes cause a wiz, warlock, or sorc can totally win the mele trade there

[vale crow]

Or use one skill at a time

[static zodiac]

Did the sneak based class, just kill me by sneaking?

[paper sail]

You just get 2-3 tapped and thats it. Only chance is if you heard them before they heard you (and they have a literal perk to prevent that)

[paper sail]

Sneak should be actual sneak, not true invis cutthroat bullshit

[vale crow]

Wiz lock and sorc can all splash corners to check for invis

[static zodiac]

What class you playing

[paper sail]

You seriously dont think you can just splash every corner in the game checking for a rogue

If on warlock that takes ages, if on wiz you have spell charges

[static zodiac]

Yeah you can’t, your right.
Thats why you have to pay more attention to find out if a rogues there

[paper sail]

If on sorc then just cant

[static zodiac]

You will ALWAYS be able to find out if a rogues there via context clues

[vale crow]

Warlock has free heals, wiz can just sit down

[paper sail]

How are you supposed to predict theyre there? Half the time the first time you know they exist is when theyre poppin out of invis to 2 tap

[static zodiac]

They can only be invisible for so long

[paper sail]

Bro thinks you should have to bring 200 clarities per match to fireball every corner. Thats not playing the game

[paper sail]

Right, but they dont have to. Its easy asf to time an invis onto someone when u can hear from farther cause creep

[static zodiac]

Like, if you enter a room and see dead mobs you should know that someone was there

[vale crow]

Or a few campfires, or meditate

[paper sail]

Meditate sucks ass, would have to have a full invo of nothing but camps

[static zodiac]

If a door opens in the room your in, someone’s there, if you go into a room and get comfortable and there’s doors actively open your doing something wrong

[paper sail]

Half the time theyre at the door already dog

[static zodiac]

Then swipe at doors

[vale crow]

Its cheap and reliable

[static zodiac]

It takes like 2 seconds, smack the corners of each entryway

[vale crow]

Bruh doors have windows

[static zodiac]

If you are uncertain

[vale crow]

I think he just wants to cry and complain and has no desire for real advice

[paper sail]

Theyre not just gonna stand in the peep hole LOL

"smack the corner" Dude if you have your mele wep out against a rogue on those classes ur dead

[vale crow]

Yeah but you can see the dead mobs smart guy

[static zodiac]

Not really, they die to like 2 headshots lol

[dapper pike]

regardless of whether or not you think they should be in the game, they do exist and there are ways to deal with it

[static zodiac]

Rogues are super squishy, I smoke rogues so easily as a fighter, two falchion hits and they are sent back to the tavern

It’s a sweeping weapon so it counters that “spin around the enemy tactic” they do

[paper sail]

"As a fighter i have no issues with rogues, so squishy range classes should be able to out mele them too" braindead logic

[static zodiac]

Well, what class do you play?

[paper sail]

I just said they make warlock wiz and sorc unplayable

[static zodiac]

I asked you earlier to provide advice but you never answered me

[static zodiac]

They all have utility to check for rogues

[paper sail]

Im not worried ab fighters and barbs. Theres a reason fighters, barbs, and rogues are 90% of the classes played in solo

[static zodiac]

Wizard has THE BEST utility for rogues actually.

[paper sail]

Sure but you cant possibly spam the utility enough to actually find them if you want to do literally anything else that match

[static zodiac]

Well, exactly that’s why you use context clues to find out sus doors

Rooms with empty enemies? Light ball

[paper sail]

"Opens door, gets landmined and dies" Well at least I know theres a rogue there now!

[static zodiac]

Rooms with open doors, or torches off?

[paper sail]

They dont usually sit far in the room

[static zodiac]

Light ball

[paper sail]

Bro doesnt even know the name of the spell but thinks its a hard counter lmao

[static zodiac]

It’s EXTREMELY difficult to sit still a door without killing anything whatsoever so it’s possible to use context clues to find out if a rogues there

[vale crow]

Light ball is easy

[static zodiac]

Grabbing at straws tbh with that statement

[paper sail]

Just dont leave a body at the door and theres 0 indication

[static zodiac]

Well there’s the rest of the room

[paper sail]

And to check the rest of the room you must open the door

[static zodiac]

Oy vey I don’t even know why I’m bothering with this guy, if he’s gonna die to rogues lettem die to rogues

[vale crow]

Break door, easy solution

[supple drift]

I like spongebob. do you?

[static zodiac]

My cat loves SpongeBob

[supple drift]

wowie

[viral oracle]

This game is in such a bad spot right now they have to have continuous dungeon on stop letting people gem gear and i hate running into the same bissed out team 5 games in a row

[supple drift]

squire mode is fun at least

[static zodiac]

Gem gear is not bis

[viral oracle]

basically is when you can get best static roll gear on market and gem the rest

[static zodiac]

Gem Gear is like, High B tier to low A tier in stats but it’s never BIS

[supple drift]

yeah, but it's better than random stats right?

[static zodiac]

That sounds like money to me

[static zodiac]

Agreed, that’s why I say it’s definitely high tier

[supple drift]

ah

[static zodiac]

I don’t disagree with their statement I just don’t want the word being devalued as a term for “good item”

[timber orbit]

who allowed bo7 zombies to be fun at the expense of crappy AI calling cards

[viral oracle]

game felt better without gemsmith dude and continuous dungeon

[static zodiac]

It’s like they had to do something wrong

[vale crow]

Game was peak when I could punch rogues to death as cleric

[static zodiac]

ANYTHING

[viral oracle]

to bad them and rangers just gem true phys now and they op

[static zodiac]

What pmo is all these warlocks dawg

20% of my hp gone cause I got hit by a curse

[supple drift]

ah.. bless and protection. pulls out a torch and bonk on panic running younglings.

such good times

[vale crow]

Love how ranger has the highest damage close range ability

[static zodiac]

While they are like 300 ms book out

[static zodiac]

Easiest to dodge ability luckily

[supple drift]

how to dodge ranger shotgun? teach me

[static zodiac]

Longbow Multishot Door Tech

[vale crow]

Don't forget ale and divine strike, I killed someone in rubysilver once with my bare hands

[static zodiac]

Matrix

[supple drift]

i always end up as a porcupine..

[supple drift]

[static zodiac]

If they are forced to hit elsewhere from the head or upper torso typically only like, 3 arrows hit

[supple drift]

ah

[vale crow]

I struggled so hard to make it work in arena, but it kept getting hit with nerfs

[supple drift]

geez.. thats unfortunate.. 😔

[vale crow]

https://youtu.be/nVRs4slUbBU

[supple drift]

LOL

[vale crow]

The sweet taste of nostalgia

[supple drift]

Maybe one day.. when Monk and multiclass feature come in, your dream may come true 😉

[vale crow]

With Ironmace? Its so over man.

[supple drift]

[tulip creek]

How's the community mental doing

[faint oracle]

bad, remove the water map already.

[timber orbit]

you’re not forced to play it

[faint oracle]

idk, if i load squire it seems it puts me on 3-5 games so far

[willow lark]

Nicholas is missing.....I think he just went to play ARK insteadd m8...

[fallen tundra]

[nocturne scarab]

nicholas is actually on house arrest

[prime vapor]

what the heck is veteren adventurer

[nocturne scarab]

and his aspd meds wore off and he's now on a bender

[prime vapor]

how u doing raggy

[strange cipher]

where do you find shackles?

[gaunt oracle]

on shelves or lying on the ground near pirates

I think theres some on the skeleton island too

[stiff path]

when do we think they're going to wipe

[wintry elm]

end of jan

[stiff path]

ah ok

[dull scaffold]

coming back after a year has game fallen to shit or should i come back

[slow ivy]

Do you like your orange juice from the fridge or room temp?

[dull scaffold]

fridge no ice

[slow ivy]

Then you definitely should play it now.

[dull scaffold]

thanks buddy

[slow ivy]

Glad I could help, I'm here all day. 🙂

[chrome crow]

When will wipe be smh

[supple drift]

I like strawberries. yummy

[simple aspen]

so cool that you can't block the frost shielder ranged attack anymore

good work ironmace keep it up

[supple drift]

It's okay. Just step aside and you will be fine

[signal night]

whats the lobby playercount say?

[simple aspen]

yeah idk if u have to be across the module for that to work now or what but that was also not working for me lol, blocking and dodging it used to work fine but it seems completely broken now

[supple drift]

[errant isle]

Whats with the code 60 error for trying to buy certain stuff from krampus?

[bitter bay]

Where do I find ruby silver?

[visual swallow]

inferno

[round estuary]

you can get it off the golems in ruins or inferno in hell

[gaunt oracle]

Ruins: Golems, Square A module where the golem/worm spawn
Crypts: I believe there is some under pyramid? Maybe?
Inferno: Blood River, Spider Lair, Demon Den, Blood Platforms

[gaunt oracle]

https://darkanddarkertracker.com/maps filter for rubysilver on any map

[errant isle]

Please make reds open in the last 5 minutes

[molten iris]

Can someone ban this guy, so he will not have more stupid ideas in future. Sdf is enough

[neon kite]

Ur a chinese farmer arent you

[visual swallow]

this guy really likes runnin to reds I guess lol

[molten iris]

im not chinese but my family do work at farm

[final monolith]

i like cheese

🧀

[final monolith]

if your family works at a farm youre automatically chinese, check in the mirror the transformation should have started already

[molten iris]

[neon kite]

One of sdfs minions

[edgy breach]

Does ape even play the game? Bro lives in this chat.

[zealous tulip]

What kind of farm??

Like a regular farm or like a sheep farm?

[crystal sage]

can this game hurry up and wipe already

[vernal marten]

ive wiped like 5 times today... im lacktoes and i drank whole milk...

[visual swallow]

you're lacktoes

[gaunt oracle]

you can check whether I'm in dungeon or not whenever you like. Gathering Hall (English). If I'm not there, I'm gaming

[broken pagoda]

lacktoes? How does one stand like that

[upper delta]

What are the most profitable bosses to learn/run? I recently learnt how to do cyclops and troll but the troll pelt sells for triple digits late wipe so

[visual swallow]

ghost king is super easy

[gaunt oracle]

right now? banshee, stingray, wyvern. sonnet and the ores are $$$ cuz arena

[upper delta]

But getting to him takes so long and risk of players

[upper delta]

whats so valuable about banshee though? Does she have a good drop or something

And what is sonnet

[gaunt oracle]

sonnet is used in the fairy tome

[upper delta]

ohhh ok how much is it going for?

[gaunt oracle]

6.5k+

[upper delta]

goddamn

[upper delta]

okay ill learn it thanks

[visual swallow]

eh, you can pretty much just run straight to reds

[upper delta]

Yeah but isnt ghost king contested?

Idk ive never done him before

[vernal marten]

just got 2 tapped from 136hp froma rogue... im a rogue aswell... wtf is this game anymore XD

[gaunt oracle]

its late wipe. if we're being real, nothing is contested. EXCEPT in PVP HR during asia peak hours

[vernal marten]

the guy was chinese ofc lol

[visual swallow]

headshots go brrr

[hollow fulcrum]

headshot multi does still feel too high

especially when you fight anyone with a two handed weapon. whole health bar gone in one swing

[upper delta]

Btw am i just dead meat when i meet someone while bossing as a bard?

Squire bard is so darn weak its nmot even funny its weaker than ranger

two shot by everything and you have to 5 shot to the head

[hollow fulcrum]

well most classes are weaker than ranger to be fair but yeah squire bard does not feel great

[vernal marten]

https://medal.tv/games/dark-and-darker/clips/lNq00CINx_deOny53?invite=cr-MSxjWXQsMjUxMzE4MDg2&v=300 i had 136 hp btw plus creep... def curious how this CHINESE player knew i was coming XD

[hollow fulcrum]

good against squishy classes but fighters, clerics, and barbs are gonna be tough

[full orbit]

why arena queue so long???

[hollow fulcrum]

what was his kit like? had to be pretty juicy right?

[visual swallow]

it's not like you were being sneaky

[broken pagoda]

Did you even look at this kit or just complained that you died in 2 hits?

[visual swallow]

and I mean I do 75dmg+ headshots with castillian in squire kit

[hollow fulcrum]

how? never once two tapped someone with that set up in squire

[vernal marten]

not really. just bs thrown together unique jester kit no good rolls on anthing except his daggers rings and neck. both leggo daggers with add wep on them and then grimmies with true phys and a frost amulet with hp and AS.

[visual swallow]

I mean that's dmg against the dummy, but I 3 tapped a plate fighter yesterday with headshots

[vernal marten]

i looked at it. i was WELL more juiced than he was and i got 2 tapped lol plus i was crouch walked so im VERY curious how he heard me even coming

[hollow fulcrum]

weakpoint or rupture?

[visual swallow]

... you're def not crouch walking in that video

[visual swallow]

rupture

[hollow fulcrum]

he is the entire time, you can even see creep buff showing

[supple drift]

that rogue has headshot dmg pants. probably he hit you on the head. the headshot dmg is pretty high thou

[visual swallow]

huh, you can hear his footsteps clearly

[hollow fulcrum]

yeah i dont think it muffles them from your pov for some reason but i almost never run the perk

[molten iris]

[hollow fulcrum]

were you abler to watch the death cam?

[uneven swan]

the mobs ruin HR

[vernal marten]

yeah but i didnt, i just spectated him to see his gear and then left. thats how i know all this stuff was trash rolls except his daggers, grimmies and neck... everything else was trashed uniques with all bad rolls

[vernal marten]

you could DEF see that creep was active on my bar above my hp

[visual swallow]

my bad dawg

[vernal marten]

my MS was 323 so it looks fast with creep and high ms

idk it is what it is, havent played in like 2 months, wanted to run one and see how it was. everyone was naked except one wizzy and that rogue.

[hollow fulcrum]

dang, might have given you the evidence, but i think he was a little too ready for someone to walk through that door without being able to hear you

if he'd been in the corner i could understand, but he was right next to the door in hide already

[vernal marten]

must have had a $4k gaming chair

[molten iris]

is sdf gonna give us wipe in 1/1

[hollow fulcrum]

no, season doesn't even have a timer yet

[molten iris]

@proud copper i know you are cool, wise kindhearted developer

[blazing compass]

Whats the word? Worth coming back yet?

[wanton stream]

you need to gave them more space to develop they were focused on their dumb@ss lawsuit

[blazing compass]

Eh, I been here since PT 2. I just like to see the responses I get

Yea I saw the post, finally a light at the end of the tunnel

[wanton stream]

i can imagine wanting to be productive but not motivated to because the lawyer is breathing down your neck

[blazing compass]

This game was an amazing concept. I hope they don’t lose it to that legal battle. I saw its down to like 4k concurrent with like a 6k peak. Hopefully they just get arenas feeling good and then they might get a spike in players

[molten iris]

i was play this game when its 2k online (1k8 actually). But as the end of season and no ingame content, event atm. Game has nothing to play, even if want to hop in it so much

so if they cant add any real content, just wipe already

[hollow fulcrum]

the real problem with this game is that its no closer to being finished than the end of the play tests. they've done no polishing of existing systems, almost every system and aspect of the game is half baked, balance is terrible, every patch is a step backward, and instead of doing any of those things they add micro transactions, cosmetics, or more half baked systems that are usually detrimental to the core gameplay. faustian is a perfect example of this.

four entire years is a lot of patience from their dedicated players and it has not been rewarded in the slightest. in fact, they've been punished at every opportunity

[sudden hatch]

me when my loud ass footsteps get heard n someone double headshots me with the HEADSHOT DAMAGE BUILD!!!

what r u even complaining about atp bruh you werent like sneakin around or nothing both of us can hear the footsteps

[turbid copper]

is a baguette i swear

[prime depot]

Y’all excited for goblin caves module 2?

[hollow fulcrum]

he was crouching with creep, quite literally silent to everyone else

[sudden hatch]

creep is NOT that silent???

[hollow fulcrum]

you can hear your own footsteps normally with the perk becasue the game is bad

[hollow fulcrum]

almost completely?

[wanton stream]

imagine entering a room and not looking in all directions first

[hollow fulcrum]

the other rogue is already invisible lol

[sudden hatch]

ok no this ones not a thing he was invis lmao

[wanton stream]

yeah na , video is right there. he didn't even look at the wall

[hollow fulcrum]

you can see the bush thats in the corner of that room dude

you can also hear that the rogue was two steps away from him, where he already looked

[wanton stream]

yeah whatever fruit loop reasoning you wanna come up with. L boz0 either way

[hollow fulcrum]

not sure how you can watch a clip of a guy getting killed so fast he doesn't even get to turn around, with no counterplay because his attacker was fully invisible, and side with the clearly baby easy broken class that's just straight up badly designed

[vernal marten]

i was sneaking?? i had creep and was crouched ... you can tell creep is active by looking above my name and hp bar

[livid crescent]

You can still hear a rogue with creep but only if you’re not moving

[wanton stream]

they've said the same about the isle for ten years

[long mantle]

[gaunt oracle]

bring multiclassing to PVE modes only
make PVE loot Non-tradeable and PVE-Only
make PVE HR drop the same quality as PVP HR
add arena gear + gems
remove mobs from arena, add traps and hazards
buff penguin

[winged citrus]

just delete the core engine of the game

[swift coral]

so long unreal engine 5

[winged citrus]

based

[gray light]

dude is the game playable with people in lobbies or nah
i cbf grinding ever again to meet no one at the end of wipe

[winged citrus]

thats why you dont hold ur stuff till end of wipe use it as you get it fr.

end of wipe always dies out hard and it gets hard to find pvp.

[vivid maple]

[proven cove]

does anyone know when next wipe will be

[long mantle]

mid jan

[worn rain]

[warm fable]

the cycle of reveals for the next season would start to ramp up late december

still no wipe date
will season be extended?

[tulip isle]

Hope not

[glossy skiff]

boars

[blazing gull]

I wouldnt expect a wipe until late january

I would bet it will be delayed.

[sudden hatch]

they added new skulls...

[nocturne scarab]

omg we r so back

[flat notch]

does any1 knows when will be new wipe?

[shy linden]

ggs to late

[keen zephyr]

Around January, but no confirmed date

[sonic lynx]

water map loadingscreani ts the worst i ever see since sdfvision

[bronze elk]

next announcement shutdown announcement.

[sonic lynx]

watchingthat loading screenwhen i am loading on the game make me feel like uninstalling

[jaunty willow]

Yo can anybody tell that did ironmace won the case recently or way before

[void cave]

anyone know a fix to crashing every 5 minutes

[twilit jackal]

Can anyone help with spectral knight pls for quest

I will give 2 Dread hoods for help

[tribal torrent]

what is the holiday haven from the winter holiday bundle?

anyone knows?..the skull with the xmas cap

[lost radish]

do you get your kit back in adventure hr?

[turbid elbow]

nop

[lost radish]

really? adventurer mode?

[turbid elbow]

look at the adventure mode text, scroll at bottom: No goblin recovery - text is there

[gaunt oracle]

only mode with goblin recovery afaik is adventure norms

[quartz comet]

@hexed adder can u wake up and start banning teamers in solos ? i just played against a cleric and barb teaming with chinese names with artifact weapons they stood beside each other not even hitting each other

[misty ridge]

It is a lobby skin

[drifting scaffold]

some of my arena teammates need to pvp in squire to riches. we're losing the sauce

[midnight elm]

dumb question, do I lose my tokens at the wipe?

[drifting scaffold]

reward tokens, yea you do

[gaunt oracle]

bring multiclassing to PVE modes only
make PVE loot Non-tradeable and PVE-Only
make PVE HR drop the same quality as PVP HR
add arena gear + gems
remove mobs from arena, add traps and hazards
buff penguin

[mystic spindle]

Do you know how hard it would be to add multiclassing to just one game made..

[drifting scaffold]

wtf is this

[gaunt oracle]

about as hard as limiting a game mode to a type of gear, or setting player damage to 0 I would assume. Im not a dev. Are you?

[drifting scaffold]

split the game in 2 yeah good idea

[mystic spindle]

Don’t have to be a dev to have common sense. What are you going to do about the class screen ?

[gaunt oracle]

thanks, I thought since we have PVE modes and multiclassing was already nearly feature complete, lets make PVE mode as fun as it can be

[drifting scaffold]

add 8 new tabs to the top of the class screen 🤣

[mystic spindle]

I like the idea don’t get me wrong just probably not the right steps

[gaunt oracle]

Squire: "Uh oh, looks like you've got off-class abilities equipped. You need to remove those before you enter (PVP HR/Arena/S2R)"

[drifting scaffold]

that's awful tho

[mystic spindle]

Squire going to get tired

[gaunt oracle]

awww poor lil guy

[mystic spindle]

PvE is for learning the game, people are going to wonder why they can’t multi class outside of it

[drifting scaffold]

also why their loot doesn't work outside it

[gaunt oracle]

PVE is not for learning the game. PVE is a game mode, people can use it to enjoy the game. Your game mode is not more important than any other. Climb down from your tower

[drifting scaffold]

imagine farming artifact even a 10% droprate from bossing in pve hr just to not be able to use it in the modes that matter

[gaunt oracle]

you know ALOT of players (especially right now) are in PVE mode just vibing and enjoying dark? you don't have to pvp to have fun you know

[drifting scaffold]

what? that's what i mean when i say split the game in 2

[mystic spindle]

Uh.. yes pve was added for new players. Nobody is in a tower.

[gaunt oracle]

talk to me about that in February

finna find out

[mystic spindle]

Pve HR was added so you can learn the HR mobs without getting steam rolled by pvp

[gaunt oracle]

and you earn AP there because people need to learn how AP works? cmon bro. PVE is its own game mode now.

[turbid elbow]

shadow touch, lol, nice perk sdf rly seen it used, thanks

[mystic spindle]

You get 5AP bro 😭😭

[gaunt oracle]

I grinded enough AP in PVE HR to hit demigod almost 3 times over. its not 5 lol

[rare ruin]

second day in EU solo HR goblin caves, "darrkmagiciann" teaming with "idkw1524521" and "NotTheMiyagiWay". Just in middle room blatantly.

[subtle inlet]

Does any one know when the server is wiping

[mystic spindle]

Somehow I think this is false, idk just seems like a typical lie

[gaunt oracle]

dm sent. 2.1x on one character. Im not fishing through my other druids to make up the difference

[tulip isle]

[tribal torrent]

like only one feature of that skull or an entire screen

[gaunt oracle]

the reason I say split the loot is because I want equal loot. PVP players would be rightfully pissed if PVE gave the same loot and it wasn't limited to PVE only. NOBODY would be incentivized to PVP for loot and it would destroy the marketplace value of gear. So... remove it from both the marketplace and PVP. Non-tradeable, PVE-Only would allow PVE enjoyers to get the same reward for killing the same monsters. Feels kinda bad to fight PVE HR bladehand (one example) risking your kit for.... nothing really.

I'd rather the chance to get the artifact, and it be limited to PVE... than have NO chance to get the artifact by playing the game mode I enjoy

[drifting scaffold]

id rather they just give goblin recovery in pve hr too so it can really be a practice mode

[gaunt oracle]

I mean if thats what they want it to be, cool. give goblin. but it FEELS like its in this limbo between a legit fun game mode and a practice mode

[tulip isle]

I'd rather they remove PvE and go back to what made this game fun and popular

[drifting scaffold]

there's no reason to support pve to the extent you're saying and split the game entirely in two, just to give people artifacts who won't add them to the gear pool

well it's obvious from this convo (and what the devs have said) theres players who legit do nothing but pve mode

[gaunt oracle]

PVE mode is floating this player count SO hard right now

[drifting scaffold]

lmao ok lets not get carried away

[gaunt oracle]

I find more people in PVE norms than PVP HR. Whos getting carried away?

[drifting scaffold]

there's 3+3 less queues per map for pve mode

[gaunt oracle]

if you had to guess a ratio of the origin of complaints, PVE players vs PVP players... how you callin it?

whos having more fun right now?

[drifting scaffold]

what are you even saying

pvp players try harder? they are in the competitive mode? idk what you want here, they're better at the game

[gaunt oracle]

Im saying PVP is down bad. even PVP players know it. every day is complaints of teaming, cheating, dead lobbies/only squire rats. What I'm saying is you're making this weird argument that PVP is flourishing when everything I've seen says the opposite.

[serene arch]

this game has more solo players and pve players than anything else last time they showed data

most people play norms of either type though

[warm fable]

high chance we are getting multiclassing as weekly seperate mode in next season(i think of course)

[gaunt oracle]

hype

[serene arch]

and nah space map is coming just wait

space map with low gravity otw

[trail arrow]

Praying it’s actually gonna be good this time and not just be double jumping rats and barbarians with hide

[serene arch]

rogue with bok

druids with smite paws

[tulip isle]

I have fun pvping and I don't find doing the same trivial pve 10000x fun but you do you

Also playercount from people only doing pve isn't helping anyone, not like it's making hr lobbies more alive

They're jus playing single player game

[drifting scaffold]

if you only see the complaints in this chat (or god forbid reddit) and never play it yourself i can see why you would think this... but ppl are just raging in here, the game itself isn't like you're describing

[serene arch]

i mean neither is pvp lobbies most people just play solo normals lol

hr has always been the least played thing

[viral creek]

do you guysthink im going to regret installing for honor

[warm fable]

for me both things are boring. i think something must be happening to maps mid season

[gaunt oracle]

if they want HR lobbies to have more players they should work to inventivize it. if players have fun there, they will queue there. If you need PVE to be LESS FUN so your mode can have players, I got bad news about the longevity of your game mode. (its going to die on its own)

[serene arch]

I think most people arent at the hr competitive level so its not fun for a good deal of players

[tulip isle]

yeah I've been making countless suggestions that would help but sdf is only listening to the 3 streamers he sometimes watches

in any case PvE is taking away from people who'd otherwise play norms and start getting good at pvp and move to hr

[cunning ore]

PVE is a joke and should have never been in the game.

[serene arch]

if they removed the marketplace i think more people would play hr

[tulip isle]

Also making it so you can make risk free 3000g per PvE run is disincentivizing people playing the actual game, main hr incentive has always been better loot and making more gold than in norms

but why risk anything now when u can grind more gold for free in pve without pesky other players fighting you for it

[warm fable]

will devs add none playable bots to the game? for new players of course

[cunning ore]

[serene arch]

most people tapped out of hr forever ago sadly

[gaunt oracle]

I just dont enjoy the PVP in the game much. period. I've always played as a pacifist/swarm loot goblin even when forced into PVP modes before season 6. Im not alone. Alot of people would (and do) enjoy dark as a dungeon grinder with social interfaces. Its fun helping random players and/or running goofy kits that only work in PVE. Nothing you can do to the PVP modes are going to get me to gear up, queue, and fight. It should be okay to cater some of the game to a more casual playerbase. Games are supposed to be fun, and IRONMACE can make money selling cosmetics to carebears. Why do so many people care so much about PVE modes being NOT TOO FUN?

[serene arch]

I see nothing wrong with pve modes personally

[gaunt oracle]

yeah I got a little heated at the end and realized I was probably wording some of that poorly, directed at you. my bad.

[vivid wasp]

the year is 2022, you're playing dark and dark playtest #3 and just narrowly extracted from a nail biting raid with a bunch of epic items. its the most fun you've ever had playing a game, you move over to the class tab and see that skill trees are coming soon and think "damn, this game is gonna go places"

[serene arch]

anything that brings more players isnt a bad thing for the game

[tulip isle]

The pve in this game is really not nearly hard or complex enough to play this game for any period of time just for pve

The appeal has always been the combination of finding loot and fighting over it with others that's what made the game popular

[cunning ore]

No, games are supposed to be games, they aren't supposed to be fun for 100% of the people.

[tulip isle]

Not the 3 skeletons people fought in pts

[drifting scaffold]

the problem isn't making them "not too fun" ... part of the power curve and the appeal of gear is that you get better gear as the game gets more difficult

[gaunt oracle]

the pvp is not nearly hard or complex enough to play those modes for any period of time
the appeal has always been the combination of player interaction and finding loot thats what made the game popular
see I can make an opinionated statement, too

[cunning ore]

If you don't have fun dying to players, go play another game. Games aren't supposed to be piss-easy garbage wins. If you don't have fun losing - play something else.

[serene arch]

I think the reason alot of people dont play hr mode is how competitive it is the fact this game "allows" buying gear with cash which incentives cheating so players can sell that same said gear for cash and the fact you need to play alot to stay in the curb or get stomped xD

[tulip isle]

4 years later still no skill trees and your gameplay loop is just farm the same pve without any adrenaline and take the same static rinse repat

[drifting scaffold]

do you know how many players ive clapped in arena wearing bis kits... you don't need to worry about losing to rmters

[serene arch]

thats fine im not worried about it but most of the player base has been for awhile

statisics show hr hasnt been well liked since the game came out

[drifting scaffold]

yeah no wonder, it's fuckin hard lmao the pve is cranked up to the max and people can bring in the very best gear the game can dorp

[gaunt oracle]

im not going into pvp hr. I like the environment of it, minus the toxic voipers running you down with their queue-snipe teammate yelling slurs (and you know they've been at it all season)

[weak shale]

hey folks im queueing nae trios the lobbies are dead lets get these filled

[gaunt oracle]

pve hr has the exact same monsters, I'll play there. even if it means the loot isn't as good

[tulip isle]

except you have no player interaction in pve? You're playing a (very bare bones) single player game

[cunning ore]

HR hasn't been liked because this game allows for easy RMT and for 1% of people to just collect gear from community and steamroll everyone.

You can just swipe a credit card and buy everyhing +1 Unique in the market and proceed to steamroll every lobby.

[gaunt oracle]

no player interaction, what? I run into people all the time. we share loot, go kill bosses together, team up after. its PVE mode, not the test server

[serene arch]

^

[nocturne scarab]

wdym, player gets to cry about how portals are missing in pve
they come here and complain and its player interaction
thats "content" 😏

[cunning ore]

And you're able to RMT easily because this game allows for endless farming easily for free. Just put some chinese bot in PVE farming chests and go AFK.

[serene arch]

we used to have friendly players in dad but it hasnt been that way recently though tbh i personally prefer fighting on sight xD

[tulip isle]

dunno I did 5 PvE HR runs to find a purple choker when they made arena ssf and saw 2 duos in those runs total in passing by

[cunning ore]

The more they cater to casuals the harder streamers and swippers will stomp.

[misty ridge]

The entirety of the scene in the "Play" section of the lobby gets changed to reflect a brighter, more snowlit room.

I will put a screenshot in the channel, I have it from last year. One moment please

[gaunt oracle]

you found 4 people and weren't looking for people. how many do you think I find when specifically looking?

[serene arch]

thats the issue with exraction games they arent really for everybody and this game really puts that in your face more than others xD

[tulip isle]

I mean I went straight for the best loot spots (piles) so id assume that's where players would be

[serene arch]

half of players cant even do builds properly

[gaunt oracle]

even on PVE HR water map, I've never seen it empty. there's always 3-4 people running piles/barnacles/etc

[drifting scaffold]

and what do they do with all the money they save up from that

[misty ridge]

@tribal torrent #dnd-screenshots message That is what the Holiday Haven Lobby skin is

[tribal torrent]

oh its the old one from last year kk thx much appreciated

[serene arch]

the game has piss poor balance most of the time as well and isnt really balanced whatsoever for solos requiring trios but that also means you need two competent partners for it to be more fun or risk your set over having two bad players with you

[drifting scaffold]

nvm ur talking about solos

[serene arch]

didnt realize i couldnt say I d iot

yeah solos lol the game is balanced okay for trios

[drifting scaffold]

ur saying it's got piss poor balance and its rock paper scissors

[serene arch]

for solos not trios

[gaunt oracle]

idk about them, but I've earned at least 40 full chests worth this season. used it to finish quests and religion, bought 8-10 bis kits, an egg, a trident, an illusory, gave away a shit ton, and the rest went into my main druid's arena kit

[serene arch]

i main rogue in pvp so balance feels great for me but i know it doesnt for other people lol

[drifting scaffold]

i rest my case lmao there's nothing to spend your money on if you just hoard it

if ur not running your good kits in HR you're just wasting your wealth for the most part

[serene arch]

i mean wealth can also be used for arena

better pots and all that shit youll eat through it pretty fast if you play alot in arena

[gaunt oracle]

whats your point? I had fun earning it, I had fun spending it, and I'm still having fun earning and spending more. But I'm wasting it because YOU say so? I'm not buying whatever snake oil you're selling

[drifting scaffold]

what? I'm saying you spent all your pve money on bis kits you'll never use

[serene arch]

also pve players cant really lose their gear so they can play the forever upgrade sets game for pve modes so they have money to spend it on too

[gaunt oracle]

Ive been running them ALL SEASON lol. never use? what?

[serene arch]

pve has weird af bis kits for it

[drifting scaffold]

u literally just said you have been running pve mode

[tulip isle]

You know there's like single player games with actual story and more challenging PvE, why play an extraction PvPvE game single player number go up grinding

[drifting scaffold]

what's the point of buying an artifact you only use in pve mode? genuinely

[gaunt oracle]

yeah, in my "bis" kits. 52 will penguin, 500 luck trident/illusory, gun knight, immortal warlock, max mh lifebloom support... I built and run all these kits depending on what I feel like running.

nothing has been wasted

[sacred halo]

Balanced in trios ? I don't think. In trio the meta range allow you only to play bows, crossbow and spells. You cannot think to push people with swords because you would die with 2 arrows or 1 fireball and squishy class have 110% of move speed. Actually the melee can be played only in solo

[serene arch]

if the pve players left the game the numbers would drop by nearly half would be the same issue as if they removed solos again

also hr with sdf changes can be somewhat unplayable sometimes depending on your class

[gaunt oracle]

PVE mode != single player

[serene arch]

example sorcs and watermap

though sorc is just garbage in general atm

[gaunt oracle]

fun. you can have fun without competing against someone. you can have fun collaboratively. thats what I do in PVE

[neon kite]

The reality of it is pve mode will never drop artifacts and pve’ers will continue playing the slow game to get money . The best loot in the game and pve’ers have to fight over it to keep it there. Definitely not gonna happen . Y’all debating about an update that’s never gonna happen .

[serene arch]

melee has its place in trios? you wait near the door for when they push in running out in the open as melee gonna get you killed half the time in solos duos or trios xD

i kill plenty of people fine as melee in trios you just need to know when to move or youll get punished for it

[sacred halo]

A melee without a ranged weapon Is only an handicap for the team

[serene arch]

and i dont think anyone mentioned anything ab out artifacts in pve mode or uniques

[cunning zealot]

Skill issue

[gaunt oracle]

one specific example of some pve artifact fun: demon platelock with maxed out undead/demon dmg redux, infernal pledge, and a bloodthirst. be demon. stay demon. slay demon.

running through the dungeon like its a diablo game is kinda fun brother

[sacred halo]

For sure your brain has a skills issue. We are talking about the move speed meta

[tulip isle]

except barb is prolly the most common class in duo and also v common in trio

[serene arch]

who mentioned move speed?

[tulip isle]

But waaa melee unplayable

[vital violet]

when does this arena season end?

[cunning zealot]

Skill issue

[sacred halo]

Confirmed with this reply lol

[serene arch]

barb is popular af cause all you need to know is spacing and when to move vs alot of other shit

[drifting scaffold]

better than the other main game mode? no sorry not to me. gets way too boring

[sacred halo]

Maybe but you have to dodge a lot to kill someone in trio with barb and fighter and you Need a lot of move speed. Anyway I Will get free loot from wizards and rangers with my landmine rogue until they fix the move speed meta. This Is what move speed abuser deserves

[swift coral]

if only i could
I'd make a deal with cod
and get him to swap our fishes
be running up that pier
be running up that beach
be running up that carpark

[serene arch]

movespeed has been meta for a long while and i dont really see it as an issue personally though i would prefer a set move speed for each class its not really that big a deal

[gaunt oracle]

the only person trying to establish a game mode hierarchy between us is you. I want ALL game modes to be as fun as they possibly could, for the people who enjoy them. I especially want PVP modes to get better so PVPers stop trying to gut/remove other game modes so people will finally queue theirs

[drifting scaffold]

yea again ur just equating "i want artifacts to drop in pve mode" with making pve mode fun...

[delicate ibex]

🐟

[gaunt oracle]

I'll switch my script just for you cquinn

[drifting scaffold]

no you're losing the plot every time just repeating urself

hiding ur personal desires under "oh i want EVERY mode as FUN as it can BE" but what that means is making the other modes of the game essentially irrelevant

pve mode is easier. full stop. while it's easier, there's no reason to make it full loot

[neon kite]

Seems like both of y’all are doing that .

Y’all suppose to have fun why debate about something out of your reach?

[gaunt oracle]

Restrict use of red portals somehow (pull a lever, countdown to go down, require a buff from a nearby shrine.. SOMETHING)
Bring back minimum gear requirements for PVP HR entry
permaban the following:
Cheaters
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming
Those annoying bots that spam in the gathering hall

[tulip isle]

Ngl you sound like someone who doesn't play the game and gets his opinions from reddit or streams. Trio is the mode where Ms matters the least, lots of trio fighters didn't even put Ms on their boots for several wipes cuz it's all about survivability

[gaunt oracle]

after PVP mode doesn't suck I'll go back to advocating for MY favorite mode, k @drifting scaffold ?

[dense cradle]

Playing PVE mode 😂😂😂

[timber orbit]

i am pibble

[drifting scaffold]

i dont think i can ever accept a setup where pve loot is unusable outside pve mode. it's just too bad of a design decision

[dense cradle]

PvE mode should just be removed from the game

[gaunt oracle]

its softcore vs hardcore in an arpg. its been done before, and would suit dark just fine
only in this scenario, "hardcore" loot can enter "softcore" mode so yall PVPers could still test builds safely

[sacred halo]

sound you like talk without knowning nothing. I have 4600 hours on this game and I reached always the score before warlord in arena. Maybe you have 200 hours and talk. I use all the classes in this game and the move speed meta was always a problem 🙂

[neon kite]

Move speed has always been a problem ^

[shrewd merlin]

💹

[dense cradle]

What’s the player count at rn

[obsidian gale]

I love dark and darker count that

[dense cradle]

Under 10k?

[drifting scaffold]

it would not suit dark and darker just fine, that is lunacy lol. it defeats one of the primary purposes of the pve mode and introduces an artifical barrier of entry for pvp mode. Pvp gear ends up inflated like crazy in that kind of scenario

if this was a campaign based game with an endless mode like an arpg i would be more inclined to support a split but it's not

[gaunt oracle]

arpg's don't have seasons?

[gaunt oracle]

idk how the primary purpose of the pve mode is acquiring pvp gear when you talk about it like its a tutorial. s2r -> norms -> hr is the pvp gear and skill pipeline you're looking for, that already exists

anyway, dungeon time

Restrict use of red portals somehow (pull a lever, countdown to go down, require a buff from a nearby shrine.. SOMETHING)
Bring back minimum gear requirements for PVP HR entry
permaban the following:
Cheaters
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming
Those annoying bots that spam in the gathering hall

[timber orbit]

you don’t have to play it! 🙂

[dapper pike]

make it so players cant take a red for 30 seconds after being damaged by another player?

[shrewd anvil]

hey guys, i want to craft gear for wiz for arena. Can any wiz main tell me what to craft on each piece? thank you very much 🙂

[sudden hatch]

i honestly dont understand why people are so against pve,, like i enjoy the concept of being able to test builds and fight bosses and stuff

[dense cradle]

It’s low T

[sudden hatch]

hell yes

[tulip isle]

Test builds against... skeletons? what are you testing there exactly you can kill all PvE in squire.
And you can fight bosses in pvp modes too?

[timber orbit]

i also just think it’s funny the biggest argument against PVE being “muh split queues” is actually just a mask to conceal the real reason, “i want to kill worse and new players with ease”

[molten cloak]

can any1 help with warlord
ill gib items

[sudden hatch]

bro has NEVER gotten ganked when bossing???? its so annoying

i would very much rather not have players making me reset the fight 3 times a raid #thankyou

[sudden hatch]

i think pve is a good gamemode for newer players to get a hang of movement modules and stuff without the risk of getting slammered by a 5 digit hour playtime gamer

[tulip isle]

nah most of the time we see people that look ungeared we don't bother fighting them unless they're like blocking space we need to fight someone else. But if you got ppl stuck in pve perpetually it blocks the natural progression of people learning pvp in norms and moving to hr like we all did

[tulip isle]

No shit, high value pois are contested by other players and you're supposed to fight over them, basic idea of the game

[timber orbit]

you are a minority whereas the majority of people gears up and wants squire gear noobs to stomp every fight

i do the exact same thing when i’m in normals with gear, just leave the people minding their own business alone, but we’ve all been on the other end in a dozen or so game tilt where you’ve got a team of perfect crafted gear in your spawn seconds after you spawn not for your squire gear, but to drink your tears lmao

[sudden hatch]

im trying to LEARN a boss not have to fight EVERYONE in the map to die to a phase change dude

[tulip isle]

Most of the people I know that still play just want good pvp against geared players, there is literally no point in killing some naked gold farmers

except if they arelikely to grief you during a real fight

[timber orbit]

well it’s to stroke their ego. it’s the entire reason geared people spawn rush and two tap squire gear players. not many people like just sitting and staying on the receiving end of that.

[shrewd merlin]

The problem is that the game is purely gold farming for the most part, they need to kill farm routes by fully randomizing maps, so people actually need to traverse and search the map for what they want, and play the game in a more diverse way.

The PvE in this game is basically a snooze fest after a while. And once you know one map well, there is nearly zero point to play any other of the maps, so you just run the same map over and over.

[tulip isle]

None of the good players that have thousands of hours in this game get any satisfaction from killing nakeds.

[timber orbit]

granted my experience is on NA East. The player culture on my server is essentially an overly toxic cesspool. West and EU servers tend to be much more chill from my experience on them

[shrewd merlin]

They still do it though, they know full well a person is a newb and they'll ruthelessly slaughter them anyways.

[dapper pike]

yeah there are a large number of people that just go around curb stomping timmies if they are able to

[tulip isle]

EU HR ATP is just Chinese with either gear or boof and other geared EU teams or your lobby is empty

[opal knot]

PvE also completely changed the nature of the main dungeon loop. It used to be a healthy mix of all types, people on quests, people learning, roleplayers, and every shade of player-hunter. There was a lot of social interaciton content being produced, different types of players meeting mid-dungeon and either fighting or having a moment together.

Now pretty much everyone who wants to accomplish something or isn't a would-be murderer just hangs out in Safe Mode and the only experience in normals is fighting the same dozen dudes in gemmed blues.

Squires to Riches is about the only place you can find a semblance of the old game, and even that isn't the same because of the circle forcing you to rush across the map instead of playing at your own pace and being able to go wherever the adventure- and other adventurers- took you.

[thin pike]

ironmace definitely stole this game. You took a game that wasnt yours and turned it to shit

[timber orbit]

i played some EU HR with my buddy @atomic schooner back in season 6.5 and everybody was either naked or running like Cinder Catice it was so wild

we’d be ressing someone on a shrine and a catice warlock would just come flying around the corner to one shot headshot

[turbid elbow]

mini wipe, best wipe; every game you saw an arti

[shrewd merlin]

Still no rarity backgrounds on items in this game... yikes.

[rigid sigil]

did they turn off goblin merchant recovery for pve mode

[slow niche]

Is this game dead yet

[pearl lance]

when wipe ends ?

[gaunt oracle]

Restrict use of red portals somehow (pull a lever, countdown to go down, require a buff from a nearby shrine.. SOMETHING)
Bring back minimum gear requirements for PVP HR entry
permaban the following:
Cheaters
RMTers (Sellers AND buyers)
Repeat-offenders of teaming
Those annoying bots that spam in the gathering hall

[gaunt oracle]

in pve HR yes. in PVE norms, you get the gear you brought in back from the goblin when the map ends, for a small fee