the-tavern

[prime pollen]

open arena 24/7

[azure heart]

Just play only arena during arena time and then close the game and forget it exists until it opens, like everyone else.

[latent iron]

arena 24/7 only losers dont want

[latent iron]

u are lame

[timber orbit]

have you ever watched hockey and gone "damn, i bet those hockey pucks taste nice"

[azure heart]

You don't have reading comprehension it's okay , you're probably 16 and grew up on tiktok.

[crude blaze]

no 😭

[plain abyss]

KEEP ARENA OPEN

[timber orbit]

just me? damn. i watch hockey and think of those coal candies my father would purposely put into my stocking. it was like coal chewing gum

[timber orbit]

i miss my father, tails

[warm fable]

tavern table

[crude blaze]

freaky

[timber orbit]

no not really

[warm fable]

[prime pollen]

obviously? in the meantime, ill type to open arena 24/7 in here once in a while too. its okay.

[plain abyss]

KEEP ARENA OPEN

[little flume]

alt f4'd immediately

[prime pollen]

arena closed an hour early too lmao such fuckin jokes

[plain abyss]

BRING BACK ARENA

see everyone next thursday i guess

[final monolith]

meow meow meow i like cheese

i would rate cheese 10/10

[swift coral]

sorry my finger slipped and i accidentally pressed the close arena early button, dont even know how I got access to the button but hey, my bad

[azure heart]

YOU ARE LAUGHED AT BY YOUR PEERS

[final monolith]

sdf will delete all modes except s2r trios and HR solos/trios

[swift coral]

there are no peers

[final monolith]

he means peerunescape

[sick iron]

can i get a current player count check?

[swift coral]

pee runescape?

[final monolith]

yes.

[swift coral]

nice.

[sour isle]

steamcharts says 3.8k

[warm fable]

show us some new perks

[final monolith]

u didnt know u can piss in rs and it it laughs back at u

[prime pollen]

you can piss in scum

[swift coral]

piss into the void and the void will piss back

[final monolith]

facts

[prime pollen]

i might play WoW now that arena is closed

[warm fable]

show us some new skills

[final monolith]

nonono you must solo queue with timbos in s2r and help them survive it is your duty now for the game to survive long term

it is the only way, saving the timbos from chadders

[prime pollen]

id have to be a paid employee to play the dungeon

[sour isle]

youd have to pay me to play this game

[plain abyss]

time to go find a new game to play

[final monolith]

it is like a job, but unpaid

kindof an internship of sort with only the promise of sdfs vision

[sour isle]

SDF did an insane job of killing it

[final monolith]

they gave a full adventure mode with no info instead of making a tutorial q_q

[swift coral]

rogue would have been in a good state overall imo if the community didnt have a big cry about the semi-translucent shader effect in invis

[final monolith]

like how can timmies know how to kite looking sideways and jumping after actions

[warm fable]

show us some new spells

[swift coral]

like it was only full invis if a rogue wasnt moving, didnt even kill landmine playstyle, rogues just got salty about not being able to walk around someone in a fully lit room without being seen

[final monolith]

its true tho i dont understand why they close arena sometimes

[swift coral]

ye i wonder if they gave up on the Sewer map, which was supposed to be a tutorial map

[warm fable]

@proud copper #graysuns-plate is empty! we are starving

[strange cipher]

they die a lot

[final monolith]

im sure they want to remake the loading maps in some kind of mashup of a lvl0 dungeon where people are friendly

like i dunno they are always cooking something completly unwanted and unexpected i think we are gonna see an elaborate friendly pve map

maybe a new class that cant really die when u pvp against it, maybe it controls mobs

[prime pollen]

or they could just oepn arena 24/7 and make that the focus of the game

[final monolith]

new: necromancer: just doesnt die. you can also control monsters! if you die, you respawn after 30secs (OOPS we didnt except people to build buff duration kits omegalul)

[final monolith]

save the game and res them
then give them trash, they love it lk its the only realistic way to help stabilize the decrease in player base

even 1 week before a wipe they will gather offbis badly rolled purples

[strange cipher]

idk I dont think a tutorial will really help much everybody just dies a lot in their first few hundred hours playing thats just how it is

[icy cloud]

Is wipe in a week? Sorry haven't been caught up on DaD stuff recently

[final monolith]

nah its just speculated to be late dec/early jan

[strange cipher]

no

[icy cloud]

They need it bad considering the player count I just saw lol

[strange cipher]

have they actually said anything to make us think that or just how long the wipes usually are

[final monolith]

i think sdf mentionned something

about late dec early jan

[icy cloud]

I saw that we are currently in week 11 according to the leaderboard, and wipes are SUPPOSED to be about 12 weeks I believe

but then again last season was like 20 weeks long

[final monolith]

dont worry about it i think they announce it early enough usually

and its a big season, bigger than 12 week small ones i guess

[icy cloud]

Have they confirmed what is in the new season?

[final monolith]

no

[silk hemlock]

terry making a quiver they promised

[misty ridge]

The Gathering Hall player halls and some new perks/skills

That's not all, but that's some of what we've been told

[strange cipher]

any like general timeline

[icy cloud]

I hope we get it soon, you just reminded me that it's gonna be new skills and perks, which is something I've been wanting since the start of EA. 🙏

[strange cipher]

like within the next 2 months or so?

[misty ridge]

It should be

[strange cipher]

so like by the end of January would be a realistic hope?

[misty ridge]

I'd say so

[drifting otter]

arena closes and the game dies again, gg

[strange cipher]

okay

[heady grove]

only thing thats fun rn

[warm fable]

@vale oar Which class are you most excited to play in Season 8?

[north river]

the monk class in 50 years

[arctic ermine]

monk class in space setup, pretty original i would say.

[supple drift]

and paladin in pyramid setup i supposed...

but i want swamp.

[north river]

youll be lucky to get anything anytime soon

[supple drift]

[north river]

water map is the new content for the next 2 years

[supple drift]

[warm fable]

bro's new

[errant isle]

Whats difficult to understand? In all reality a panther would need to lunge up to headshot me. But this is a game. So does the panther in game look like its leg shotting but in reality its hitting my head?

Also is magical staff a better melee weapon than crystal sword for boc lock?

[lavish mantle]

All those can be delayed with a simple mistake ironmace can make, like always

[warm fable]

yes ❓

[vale oar]

Too early to tell, I think

There may be things that change my mind

[warm fable]

you want bananas or money?

[errant isle]

Reason for the question mark lol?

[warm fable]

staff isn't the greatest mele weapon although it does give the highest BOC damage output

[lavish mantle]

Ye like playing demonlock chunkyus?

[errant isle]

Hmm ok. Ill try it. Ive seen some crazy high damage output with crystal sword, but maybe even more with staff. But of course the staff swings aren't my favorite.

[vale oar]

I've only tried demonlock a few times

Warlock isn't my vibe in general

[lavish mantle]

Ig

[warm fable]

Asking for a season 8 most fun class doesn't seem like a top secret information

[timber orbit]

🤝

[woven widget]

hes adding the fish class

[timber orbit]

i remember when Warlocks first rendition came out, and i really enjoyed caster lock with boc. i'm not sure why but when hydra came out and hydrain became a thing, the context of warlock permanently changed and i just never really enjoyed warlock again

[supple drift]

I know what Chyunkus likes. He likes rogue because you know why? He likes to jump around like a gibbon!

[long mantle]

When wipe ♡

[sweet dome]

Never

[timber orbit]

my guess is january. though there's no telling

[drifting scaffold]

yuuuurrrr like ~1 month

PLZ go back and add modules to older maps 😭

[warm fable]

that's what's happening

[static zodiac]

I don’t think that’s possible to be entirely honest, if it’s appears to be hitting your legs and blood is splattering from your legs, it’s hitting your legs

There’s a distinct tilt upwards when the panthers hitting upwards

[timber orbit]

i would prefer one larger map over random smaller maps. but my idea of 'larger' is even bigger than maelstrom is

[misty ridge]

Hmm, well we'd need horseys to get around

[timber orbit]

that would be cool

i think i'm just very fed up with the rigidity of doors and how they interact with the rest of the game

i enjoyed the one week i could just smite doors i didn't like.

[misty ridge]

Yea doors are sorta tiresome

[timber orbit]

i think i'm on a solid year and a half streak of complaining about doors every chance i get

[lavish mantle]

That's gonna take them 5 semi wipes to done and will end with games unevitable death

A open layer over the Ruins walls

[strange sage]

you can still break doors

[sudden plank]

when is next wipe

[timber orbit]

from one morningstar hit to 3. how often do you see people actually breaking doors with melee weapons nowadays, besides barbarians

[supple drift]

Every person asked when wipe will postpone 1 second of the wipe date.

[strange sage]

i do, a lot

youre acting like 3 is a lot

[timber orbit]

the morningstar is the highest impact power of any one handed melee weapon, and it has the same impact power as many heavy duty two handers so i use it as my frame of reference when it comes to how easy or hard it is to break doors down. as of now it takes so long to break doors down that it's only beneficial of someone is camping the other side of the door. it does not help you chase somebody down at all. and even then, unless you have a second person also hitting the door it takes such a long time to actually break a door that your opponent has ample time to literally plan around the fact that you're breaking the door

[timber orbit]

yes 3 hits of a morningstar against the door taking into account the extended endlag from hitting a wall takes quite a long time considering how fast this game moves. you give up all your momentum to smack a door when it is literally faster to open the door and close it behind you so they can't travel back through it

[strange sage]

you shouldnt be using to chase, thats why they nerfed it

[misty ridge]

Wasn't the purpose of it to help counter the meta of slamming doors in your enemy's face?

[timber orbit]

it wasn't nerfed, it was completely gutted of all viability and practical use

[timber orbit]

yes, it was.

i agreed it was too strong when it was first implemented but i think they went overboard on the change to the point that it was watered down so much i never see it actually used anymore. the main times i see it in use now is in trio play to remove a door from the equation if people are camping and spam closing doors to force a standstill

[forest saffron]

Just make doors faster to open

[warm fable]

wont happen

[misty ridge]

A door that has been opened and then closed should take the same amount of time to open as it was to close imo

[timber orbit]

this probably fixes a lot of what i don't enjoy tbh. or make it much faster to open doors that have been freshly closed by someone else.

@misty ridge ong. i am so tired of door chasing

[supple drift]

was about to say that..

[timber orbit]

i think a strong portion of the remaining playerbase is absolutely sick and tired of chasing people door to door getting one door after another slammed in their face

[misty ridge]

Also, while we're on the subject of players running infinitely, reds should be a channel imo

[timber orbit]

or at least guarantee same matching if you enter a certain period after them so you can find them.

[misty ridge]

I've seen a few people suggest bringing back slow loot but I really don't think that's the play. Imo, slow loot made the game a lot less fun and more sluggish

[queen torrent]

remove insta reds game instantly playable

[broken pagoda]

I hate the MS stacking that's a must nowadays

[timber orbit]

you and me both. i like that it's better than season 6 was, but it's still not where it should be, probably

[warm fable]

remove hide game instantly playable

[dusty smelt]

@proud copper yo when are we getting the new artifacts wanna see em before the game dies

[misty ridge]

Which ones?

[dusty smelt]

War maul and spear I wanna be able to use em but they arnt in the game

[slim moss]

Like what just peaking around a corner or baiting out their spell or arrows when they have either 40 billion spells or arrows? If that’s what your incentivizing buddy YOU are the wizards and the rangers I go up against Also tell me why theirs 422,000 ppl in the dark and darker discord and only 2,718 ppl actually playing the game?

[misty ridge]

They are in the game, they drop from the Ancient Stingray in High-Roller

[supple drift]

th.. they are.. arent they?

[dusty smelt]

Wait ok

[forest saffron]

I love scooping loot. Easy and fun.

[misty ridge]

I genuinely think part of the game is that you need to defend your boss and player kills to maintain that loot

[queen torrent]

this would be fine if we didnt have insta reds

rat body combat log boom

[halcyon fjord]

anyone still stupid enough to play this game?

[queen torrent]

how am i supposed to defend that when i have a whole nother team on my cock as well

[warm fable]

[slim moss]

Anyone who plays any magic caster or ranger yeah

[forest saffron]

I got like a 250k kit from ruins yesterday first floor, went in squire and just followed around a full artifact team. Rogue tried to run red, got killed in the door, SCOOP!

[misty ridge]

[warm fable]

❤️ have a nice day and night everyone

[slim moss]

Sdf doesn’t deserve this ip

He should just go back to nexon

[lavish mantle]

He'll kill it to prove that

[slim moss]

I have an image of sdf but he’s a pussycat and his greasy moderators put a chat filter so I can’t fully express my frustration on how slow this Korean man is

[fresh flare]

alive game

[slim moss]

How can you be Asian and shit out whatever dark and darker is

[slim moss]

Ragebait used to be believable

[fresh flare]

but the game has two thousand whole players

[slim moss]

In the world brotato

[fresh flare]

thats a lot of people!!!

[slim moss]

Get ts guy a medal

[fresh flare]

i dont even believe my own words

[slim moss]

An Oscar

[fresh flare]

i havent played the game since day 1 ocean map

[slim moss]

Let’s put this into perspective when the water map releases their was 14,000 to 15,000 ppl playing

Released*

Now look how many ppl are playing

[cursive rock]

end of wipe is always low

[slim moss]

Even During mid wipe their was like 4K to 6k players

[mighty hare]

Yeah because of water map.......

[slim moss]

That and the ranged meta right now

[broken pagoda]

Wasn't even cause of water map, player base tanked when HR was random map

and now its back but too late now

[slim moss]

And did you see what sdf did last season?

And how many ppl were playing?

It got Down to like 1,500 ppl at one point

[supple drift]

I mean, games will have small amount of people after a few years. so, it's not that surprising.

most gamers will just follow the trendy games. while loyal gamers stay the same game.

[mighty hare]

would rather kill myself than play water map. They should make certain maps unselectable in certain game modes

[lofty scaffold]

what happened to the game, guys?

[misty ridge]

Why would they do that, though? Why not just let people play the map they want to

[hybrid rivet]

when is wipe?

[lavish mantle]

When you stop letting it crust

[mighty hare]

No idea but its awful

[void seal]

anyone have a guess for when wipe is?

[misty ridge]

I quite like the map

[odd compass]

I actually took time to play the game again with my buddy played for like half a day.

And I have not booted it up since.

@proud copper you really need to stop, think, and listen. Poll your community ask them why they left, what would make them return and actually listen.

[gaunt oracle]

most people left because of random maps. people will cope and say its because of water map, but one disliked map wouldn't be an issue if you could simply NOT PLAY IT. Map is fire btw, yall just follow streamer opinions

[floral steeple]

nah maps bad, atleast when it first came out idk how it is now

[mighty hare]

great for collecting loot but its awful for pvp

[gaunt oracle]

the map was never bad. just bad players mad they cant adapt

[floral steeple]

it was bad tbh

[mighty hare]

Love someone high on some sort of self made plateau just looking for an argument lol

[odd compass]

I think your scope is to narrow but i understand your point.

The issue is the fact that this was a hard-core pvpve game.

The gear sucks, the loop is boring, the development is wasted on stuff that is useless. Druid and sorc ruined the game, axe mastrey 3---> 5
5 ---> 3, we need meaningful progression, punishing defeats, powerful items, hideout. Completion of goblin caves floors 1 and 3, ice caves floor 1, and more bosses for those floors. More crafting - enchantments, alchemy, more ore and wood and in map crafting stations that you will at end game be able to get in your hideout.

Risk Vrs Reward

We need things to draw you in like i havr to live this raid.

I have to get this gear

I have to do these quests

The problem is they watered the game down to the most vanilla ass version it could ever be and catered to the casual.

You will have more players if you go back to what the game was meant to be

Im sorry but this was my favorite game and this is the reason I dont play because im frustrated that they fumbled it so hard

My love of runescape died and my love of dark and darker has died

Sdf spark my love 1 more time make me want to play your game

[gaunt oracle]

I think I know what just might do it. Readjusting axe mastery, the return of fog of war, and craftable boss summon items. We're so back! /s

[hybrid rivet]

@gaunt oracle bruh is trolling so hard

[odd compass]

Bro I have 2500 hours on the game i fucking loved this game

I feel like I just watched
Breaking bad, better call saul, el camino. And now I have nothing left

Demi god multiple times, arena top 100, played all classes, used all artifacts seen patch 69 17 times bro please fix the game make me want to play

[gaunt oracle]

the game could do a much better job of reinforcing the core gameplay loop with better incentives

demigod grind feels meaningless... like a half-baked battlepass. the crafting system and hunting loot could use alot more love. like wheres the new hunting loot and craftables with the new bosses? we gotta wait a year like we did with the banshee sonnet/fairy tome?

[final monolith]

my game is dying and it feels bad please help

[solemn swift]

do you keep the skeleteon mage skin forever for the offering reward or just for the season?

[gaunt oracle]

permanent unlock

[uneven swan]

the wizard, master of knowledge and the arcane. knows like 8 spells

[odd compass]

Bro tbh mage arena is fun and all you do is yell fireball so idk is it the amount of spells or that all that really matters is you spam fire ball and magic missle

[summer grail]

how do i enable text chat

[vital roost]

Love that they still close arena for half the week for no fucking reason and only open in the middle of the week when no one plays, really great stuff 👍 fantastic devs btw

[cedar carbon]

is the game still fried

[vital roost]

yeah dont bother theres no point in playing rn

[cedar carbon]

i honestly just had a lot of fun playing longsword fighter, but the meta really killed the game for me
was super anti fun

i miss it but yknow, lost potential

[teal sinew]

How do you fix the bug where you cant equip your weapon, cant interact with anything, cant sit down, cant use utilities , and can only swing?

[gaunt oracle]

you stop playing on sao paulo. half kidding. the only time I've experienced this is on SA servers

[zenith blade]

@proud copper @hexed adder Just booted up thinking, 'hmm, maybe I'll check it out again, it's been awhile,.

That was a mistake, we played one game of water map, this is horrible.
A circle on a map with boats as extracts is cool in theory, but the fact I gotta tgo through stacks of meds to get out is insane. What were you thinking dude?

And the pirannahs... what even is that? Glitchy hitboxes and the grouping is ridiculous.

Nobody wanted this, just give us monk, more perks/skill and more spells. We can be patient on classes but its been enough time. We want actual content.

If we go to the moon I'll be at a loss for words.

[strange cipher]

fishy on the moon

[cedar carbon]

still no monk?????

[strange cipher]

lets be real tho who wants monk its just gonna be worse cleric

[gaunt oracle]

you don't HAVE to ride the boats out, but you'd know that if you played the map more than once. piranhas? you mean pinatas? they do almost no damage and they clump up so you can cleave them. did you actually play the map or watch a youtube short about it?

[cedar carbon]

is rogue and barb still broken or

also yeah fair

[tight shale]

can you pull chests in normals?

[zenith blade]

Are you even a real player?
Look like a new account

[shy linden]

not only barb mele warlock bonk wiz

[teal sinew]

Yeah idk why it's happening, my buddy cant do shit

[gaunt oracle]

lol thanks for that, I needed the laugh

[tight shale]

can you pull chests in normals???

[uneven swan]

i just want more options and to feel more aligned to a DnD style wizard. i want knock to unlock things, cone of cold, lightning bolt, etc. lol

[gaunt oracle]

pretty sure you can pull coin chests in any mode, even pve norms. a teammate linked a coin chest at skull pile WHILE we were in the dungeon, said they pulled one

in PVE normal inferno\

[cedar carbon]

bonk wiz being back is actually peak though

[shy linden]

one shot rogue - bard - and if you see the cleric one shot everything

[cedar carbon]

jeez

so longsword fighter and the other fun playstyles are still unplayable?

[sterile star]

ironmace how long is it gonna take to realize that 90% of lobbies in hr are filled with rat rogues with no gear just stealing loot idk understand how sdf can promote this gameplay knowing its part of the reason nobody plays this shxt game

[cedar carbon]

idk why they keep promoting anti fun in this game

[icy cloud]

Hey what is the entry restrictions on arena guys? I haven't played it in a while I wanna make a kit

[steady ravine]

kinda, if ur a longsword fighter run into a rogue(with same quality of gear) there is literally no way to win by trade health, PDR cant do anything against rogue and longsword dont do too much damage(unless u manage to only land headshots on rouge)

[olive kraken]

when does HR season end

[slate hawk]

Legendary at most, you lose nothing on defeat

[cedar carbon]

is it still like 60% deadzone on the longsword
because it still handles badly, its only redeeming trait is the parry mechanic which has always been super counterable

[dim shell]

so why are rangers busted again whatd thy change this time

[misty ridge]

The water map is really spooky in HR late into the round

[plain abyss]

KEEP ARENA OPEN

[final monolith]

yo does infernal pledge (reduce all damage from undead and demons by 40% warlock perk) work against demonlocks

?

[broken pagoda]

Pretty sure perks like that doesn't effect player races/abilties

[wheat smelt]

water map is like you are in a movie lol

[smoky sierra]

I spent 5 minutes looking for portals before the game ended, and there wasn't a single portal anywhere. They were literally impossible to find. I died with a really expensive bis kit. Seriously, @proud copper , before you add a map that almost nobody likes, polish your game mechanics because they're awful. They're the reason so many people quit playing at this point. You're the problem.

[gloomy pivot]

is there an estimate on wipe time

[hybrid rivet]

so where is all the normal pvp at these days

[gloomy pivot]

I spent 5 minutes looking for portals before the game ended, and there wasn't a single portal anywhere. They were literally impossible to find. I died with a really expensive bis kit. Seriously, @sdf , before you add a map that almost nobody likes, polish your game mechanics because they're awful. They're the reason so many people quit playing at this point. You're the problem.

[strange sage]

just take a boat lol

i pray the og writer wasnt being serious

[opal knot]

Being a sneaky thief and pickpocketing people or ripping off their kills was a primary playstyle in one of the games SDF cited as an influence

[elfin burrow]

Nothing quite like just casually going to hell and finding 2 fully kitted unlooted people by the portal.

[rugged wind]

[viral apex]

dead shit game

[hybrid rivet]

@viral apex mad cuz u died

[proud pendant]

Yo idk if PDR + Undead dmg reduction works as intended but adding them up im at 98% on warlock and im taking like no damage and waltzing thru everything except players obviously

[surreal tartan]

pretty sure it's intented

[proud pendant]

I figured as much but damn idk why I didn't thinkof doing this earlier. Warlord tickles and just outhealing getting stabbed constantly by his summons. It's almost laughable. Might recommend it to some of my newer friends so they dont die every two seconds

[surreal tartan]

but you need to invest a lot to reach it no ? How much pdr/udr and how many rolls per gear ? Not sure your newer friends could reach 98%

with infernal pledge ?

[proud pendant]

I'm using the warlock 40% perk and a unique light cassock (300g) for the most part to get the majority of my rolls for undead resistance. It gives quite a lot and just using basic blues that just have decent rolls of like .7% or so for most things. I have rubysilver barbuta, rubysilver plate legs and rubysilver adventurer so far. I have some bottom rolls on the rings for undead resistance but I could've gone as far as to roll magical healing for extra PDR if i needed to.

The kit's a little pricey but about a game a piece you can afford a piece and it makes it much easier to go from there.

It's certainly not good but for the meme build of taking no damage in ruins/crypts and inferno save for some demons i'd have to throw pretty hard and intentionally let them hit me like 6+ times just to even get around half or so.

[surreal tartan]

It maybe but not good for pvp but definitely good for pve

[tight shale]

what map best for trio pvp high roller?

[elfin burrow]

pdr and undead/demon damage stacks multiactivity. 65% pdr without and with is a major difference, etc.

[proud pendant]

yeah, i could easily just phantomize thru them but its nice to just hold m1 and deal w/ them instead of trying to kite, round them up and flame walk or something. Makes getting used to warlord combos easy when it'd take like 7 or 8 hits for him to kill me if i just stand there and let it happen

[empty forge]

<@&988703997378584596> I know there is supposed to be a cheater-reporting channel somewhere in the server, but I've never been able to find it, can one of yall link it please? Thanks!

[desert vector]

You can report it on the Dark and Darker website or in game 🙂

[empty forge]

ohhhh the website, ok, thanks!

[wheat smelt]

to the other lock you suck how you gon let a rougue diddle both us

[long schooner]

[nocturne scarab]

#FreeGobMerch

[cedar robin]

#WhereAreTheQuivers

[vivid wasp]

Hey friends!
How many people in dungeon

[rotund ether]

So are we gunna get the stats page back?

#FreeTheStatsPage

[opal knot]

2663 Dungeon / 2453 Lobby

[icy crow]

I adore just walking around a dungeon playing music.

I had 2 parties come to a cease fire just to dance to Me on a bridge in castle Xd

[opal knot]

Pacifying groups of hostile people is the most fun challenge

[smoky sierra]

I was on inferno bruh

[icy crow]

I tend to walk around plying Chaotic Discord so NPCs can’t kill Me.

Occasionally I pacify players but most decent human beings tend not to attack the random bard.

[smoky sierra]

Like a bot huh, say me what boat can I use no inferno?

[strange sage]

I read "map that everybody hates" and assumed maelstrom.
Consider being more specific.

[smoky sierra]

Yes, it could be misinterpreted, although regarding that new map I did use it as an argument for how they focus on other things before polishing their mechanics.

[empty ginkgo]

yo any mods here

[smoky sierra]

Dude i was in really BIS gear and I seriously spent a lot of time looking for a portal everywhere, the last one I found was in an inaccessible place.

[wary finch]

Has season 7 already ended yet?

[turbid elbow]

nop

[empty ginkgo]

yo

[wintry pond]

i havent played for like year, has the game changed alot?

[royal flax]

lmao I havent played in a year and I just reinstalled. heard they added pve?

[misty arrow]

yoo

[wintry pond]

🤷

There's water now

[dreamy vine]

After getting killed by cheater there is an option by in game report to add evidence from website now

[obsidian gale]

I love dark and darker

[dreamy vine]

and hr pve

[warm fable]

Show us new modules

[prime pollen]

here i am, playing r6 cause you just cant keep arena open 24/7. it's not like it's 1 of 2 game modes we get for BUYING the game or anything.

oh wait, IT IS LIKE THAT

[elfin burrow]

Since arena started, it was clear they hate players that work more on weekends than weekdays. Just how it is.

[prime pollen]

youd think with a dwindling playerbase, they'd listen to requests like this. but no. stubbornness is all we get.

like i love when i tell a friend they should play DaD with me, but then i tell them i only play it on weekends cause that's when the game mode i like is open. it really encourages that friend to wanna jump into something like that.

[elfin burrow]

I mean, the rest of the week is to fund silly builds... i guess. Would still prefer arena open all the time. I do most of my work fri-sun so I can't even enjoy arena most of the time. It's just dumb.

[spark vault]

Ye if arena was open I'd be playing. Got no other reason to play.

Reason arena is only open on weekends is probably to encourage players to play the dungeons. But I'm done with that. Arena at least has a further progression system, after Demigod theres nothing to do except maybe farm an egg which I've also done

[warm smelt]

how long until the next wipe i cant open my game to look right now

[turbid elbow]

not announced yet

[light talon]

i like how one of bladehands attacks is fps drop

[hybrid sequoia]

if they want to encourage people to play dungeon, they kind of have to make dungeon feel fresh, nothing this season will do, but dungeon needs new things for next season, we also need secondary progression systems or new role changing perks and abilities/spells for most classes

I hate how 1 year of development was basically lost for arena feature that doesnt even belong within the genre

[warm fable]

show us new perks

[blazing gull]

how much until wipe?

[turbid elbow]

radio silence

[hybrid sequoia]

about three fiddy

[prime pollen]

TIL there are people with no internal monologue

[proven otter]

finding Bangladeshi player

[alpine moth]

How much an Echo of Screams going for rn?

[stark vigil]

little to nothing because who is grinding this game anymore

[misty ridge]

Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight gamers

[solemn coral]

morning scp

guys im confused af, should i be building agility for panther form or nah? just jumped a squire fighter and he ate like 9 swipes

[remote briar]

can you still do bosses with warlock

[solemn coral]

very easily schnitzel

i did 4 in 1 run with warlock

[remote briar]

just did troll and felt like hellfire did way less damage then it used to be

[solemn coral]

troll and cyclops are resistant to warlock type magics iirc

[remote briar]

oh so thats why

thought im out of my mind after 4min of blasting him without killing it

[solemn coral]

i could be wrong about the resistances there but warlock is my safe pick to do bosses on

[misty ridge]

True Damage + Agi/Dex I think

[zenith blade]

It’s not gonna happen. We’re getting a space map and Druid/rogue buffs. You know, the usual..

[coarse summit]

Does the in game report feature do anything? I reported a user for messages they sent but I just beat them again and they did the same thing

days apart

[misty ridge]

What in the Banshee Spectral Knight Warlord Ghost King

[wet current]

it doesnt cause they dont care

it just makes it seem like they care

[granite surge]

they do infact review those reports, im just not sure of the timeframe on them.

[lean light]

wasn’t the #1 speedrun a mag character

[wet current]

sure they do just like they do with the reputation thing

[misty ridge]

For Cave Troll? Nope it was a 14s speedrun on Fighter

[coarse summit]

Seems like it, and I'm not just talking about one message the guy kept sending me messages for like 10 minutes with extreme racism etc

[lean light]

i may be thinking last season or some shi idk i remember it used to be

[wet current]

i became a red name because of people downvoting and i dont even use vc or text often and i dont hit teammates

like make it make sense for me to beome a red name

[misty ridge]

There was a competition held by Ironmace where whoever got the fastest High Roller Cave Troll kill, limited to blue gear, would receive some red shards and irl merch

That one was won by somebody on Fighter who finished it off by parrying the big slam

[wet current]

dont punish people into red name cause people downvote for no reason at all

[lean light]

dope

[coarse summit]

Will a report through the website make a difference? Since its multiple times now

[lean light]

ima do this to my hb every chance i get thank you for telling me this

[misty ridge]

I went from a blue name to a normal one after being forced to TK since the other guy was purposefully trying to kill me so that I couldn't win the match

Anyways my teammate and I proceeded to go 2-0 and then throw the last three

[lean light]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmmm-hmm-hmmm-hm-gif-14945513074205587169

[wet current]

i only teamkilled once ever and it was a mistake, i apologized, and i went to revive them but they left before i could

[misty ridge]

Bruh

[wet current]

that shouldnt warrant me being a red name the next day

like???

[misty ridge]

Red names are -5 rep I believe

It'd be neat if they explained the system more

[wet current]

then people are also downvoting me for no reason

[granite surge]

Im just a discord moderator, so unfortunately I cant say for sure -. But I personally would do it, just incase.

[solemn coral]

yup, 3 phased warlord tho so that took a bit of effort

was still learning him tbf

[wet current]

like im not toxic unless you are toxic first. i dont use slurs of any kind, i dont intentionally damage teammates

[misty ridge]

One phases are still possible on Fighter in High Roller, I've done it very recently

[wet current]

why give me a red name because people dont like me

[solemn coral]

i was playing it careful since i wasn't familiar personally with his moveset, i've only seen him done by streamers a ton

[wet current]

ive also noticed basically every fighter ive met is a red name

like im a fighter and i just became one. i have yet to see a fighter without a red name

[solemn coral]

his moveset is amazingly easy to read tho, the guards and their knife toss did the most to me

[wet current]

people have got to be just targeting fighters to be red names

[sudden hatch]

this is because all fighters are intrinsically evil

[misty ridge]

Honestly name colors don't do much. You can get your friends to upvote you to blue

[misty ridge]

I'm offended

[sudden hatch]

name colours make your name look red and cool

[wet current]

i dont have friends that play to help me get to blue

[deft cobalt]

I wouldn't worry about it mate, I know a lot of people that ask others to down vote them to force the red name.. its more of a thing which adds a bit of flair to your name

[wet current]

ive been getting teamkilled almost every run now just because im a red name

and i cant punish them cause im a red name. its bullshit

[solemn coral]

reds are a risk to trust 😛

its either "did he get memed by his friends" or "is he a tk'er"

[wet current]

well i dont tk

[solemn coral]

would you take that chance?

[wet current]

im justy trying to play the game

im not gonna tk you just cause you have a red name

[next flint]

how'd you get red

[simple aspen]

I've matched with plenty of red names in S2R and they never tried to tk me

[wet current]

ive said it multiple times

[wet current]

I DONT KNOW

[wet current]

i really only play S2R so it has the be people there just like to intentionally downvote

[sudden hatch]

no youre special i like you. a fighter i will spare when my stiletto gets another +1 damage

[solemn coral]

do you play with random a ton?

[next flint]

play a few more and when the people are chill ask them to upvote if possible to get rid of it

[wet current]

i dont have friends that play this.

my friends that tried playing this would just rather play tarkov

[simple aspen]

get new friends

[solemn coral]

if so its either 1. your teammates downvote you for a laugh, 2. you suck so they downvote you or 3. you're actually trolling but lying, not saying you are but just giving you the options

[wet current]

i have 200 hours in the game

im just bad

[solemn coral]

it takes a decent amount of votes to get red too i believe

[wet current]

im sorry im not a sweat like you that has like 3k hours in the game

[solemn coral]

i'm no sweat bro, im a pve main lmao

[wet current]

me being bad at the game doesnt deserve me being put to red name by downvotes

[solemn coral]

not at all, but its just what might've happened

[candid pollen]

are we sub 3k players yet

[solemn coral]

it gets reset per wipe i believe or you could ask for upvotes in a group chap when you're with randoms

[solemn coral]

nope, highest i've seen it this week in fact

[misty ridge]

Yes please my longsword has like -6 and -37.5% riposte damage and -~10% attack speed on the first hit

And even if I hit you, the hitslow is 17% so you can just walk away

[solemn coral]

why don't they add artifacts to pve but lock them to pve only if found in there :[

[brittle oasis]

After the game barely survived your summer psychosis in expectance of the new map which turnend out to be a total embarrassment you srsly Talk about removal of Zone (for the 20th time) and Space map @proud copper please if you truly love this game finally step away from it

[sudden hatch]

havent had a horrible patch slash content change yet so it should be decently high./.. think like 8-12k

[sudden hatch]

yay !

[slender raptor]

water map was kinda cool tho, what are you on about?

[misty ridge]

Water Map is dope, people who disagree either don't like change or played too much Subnautica

[slender raptor]

i mean some of the haters will just keep riding their own hate boner forever

[deft cobalt]

Water map is great, no reds for people to run to when they're low and no doors to close either

Feels like when youre in a fight then its fight until last man standing

[drifting scaffold]

have to choose your battles wisely. tho it seems sometimes ppl just jump right in with reckless abandon

[slender raptor]

only people who hate water map are the rats that cant escape when they lose

[sudden hatch]

i like watermap. it was kinda different from what i was expecting but still pretty cool designwise

[misty ridge]

I like underwater PvP because everyone goes so slooow

[drifting scaffold]

i think ppl who only W key also have a bad time

[slender raptor]

yeah they have to use their brain now

[timber orbit]

frock you too twin

[solemn coral]

anyone mind helping me with some stat building ingame?

[sudden hatch]

#sorrynotsorry

[solemn coral]

also, magic power bonus % or magic power?

[gaunt oracle]

water map is interesting for pvp in that wizards are simultaneously a loot pinata or broseidon, lord of the ocean. if you dont change up your build at all, you're damn near useless. If you build specifically for water map though you're scary af

I watched a wizard spam out magic missiles on a poor penguin and he had nowhere to go. the missiles just hunted him down

[drifting scaffold]

i understand the issue ppl have with wizard on water map but magic missile is so good underwater

[solemn coral]

wew kinda sad that my 52 will curse does 2/s

[gaunt oracle]

magic power bonus scaling took a big nerf a few patches ago and never really recovered. high dmg spells get enough bonus to feel the difference; low dmg spells don't. I think you really need to be stacking true dmg on any magic caster

[solemn coral]

got it, trying to make a warlock build to farm wyvern on

just tried 3 will vs 3 true on a dummy and 3 true did more :l

[gaunt oracle]

true mag and mag heal are you friends. run those up with enough HP and MS to survive and you're cookin wybbler

[solemn coral]

got me some dashers with +5 ms rolled on em

[plain abyss]

BRING BACK ARENA

[solemn coral]

hmm i lack health but im capped on true dmg slots, 124hp, 56 will 22 knowledge

19% spell speed, 102% ms, 11 magi heal

[odd compass]

I miss the days where I could have 189 hp 65% pdr 302% ms and 30% phys on fighter

Make gear great again

[strange cipher]

On future wyvern killing kits build less will more cast speed

[solemn coral]

so knowledge pieces then?

[strange cipher]

Yeah

Your gonna struggle with getting spells off

[solemn coral]

damn

i already spent 5k on my build ;-;

[strange cipher]

Its aight just run it and swap pieces on the next one

[solemn coral]

will do thanks

[magic zenith]

was it the collector or the treasurer who gives the chest from the last quest?

[solemn coral]

damn all that just to do 36 +2/s xD

[strange cipher]

Wdym?

[solemn coral]

my curse's damage on a dummy

[strange cipher]

Ah

Your damage isn't from curses

Hellfire and flamewalk for dps and curse for healing

[plain abyss]

yep and remember every spell on every other caster does more damage up front and instant.

The best up front instant damage for Warlock is darkbolt (20 dmg) which is the equivalent to zap for wizard.

[strange cipher]

W name

With the fuckin unibomber pf

[solemn coral]

im still kinda shit with wyvern so i depend on the curse's damage a lot more than hellfire

[plain abyss]

thanks tyrone

[magic prairie]

game is on life support no one playing it making content or streaming the game 56,000 players to 4,000

[strange cipher]

Okay

[solemn coral]

so many haters hating for the fun of it

[strange cipher]

Its fun

Ragebaiting in here is one of my favorite ways to pass time once its popping

[solemn coral]

lol i don't see the fun of it if its not someone you know

[gaunt oracle]

ragebaiting gives people a sense of control, who otherwise often feel like they lack control in their daily lives. Let them have this one thing; they have nothing else

[turbid elbow]

semi mini wipe this Christmas may be the play IM

[west drift]

paladin when

[zenith blade]

Full wipe, give us monk, give us new perks, give us new skills.

[drifting scaffold]

[next flint]

monk will come later they said, they are looking at existing classes first

[exotic seal]

New wizard spells > new class

[gaunt oracle]

if we get monk before druid gets shapeshift II back, my disappointment will be immeasurable

[atomic schooner]

new wizard spells means new subclass ideas so its basically the same thing

[exotic seal]

Exactly, or even talent trees. I want to play an elemental arrow ranger

[atomic schooner]

i wanna fully spec into the wall

[celest grove]

u cann as is with fighter
was prob my favorite meme kit I made this wipe

[turbid elbow]

New training system under development; hope I'll be alive when this placeholder gets implemented. stay healthy gents!

[atomic schooner]

ik. but i wanna spec more into it

[celest grove]

i was full on perks annd stuff when I made mine tbh
but 65 mdr
70 pdr
50 projectile pdr

[calm basalt]

Just a heads up there's a 6 man team in duos HR Frost map west servers

[atomic schooner]

nah im talking about perks that give a larger block range or one that creates side walls while blocking at the cost of not being able to use a weapon or something like that

[gaunt oracle]

isn't HR always plagued by teamers?

[pure plinth]

when are we getting rid of triple rogue in trio hr

[trail nimbus]

Named items can only drop from HR now right?

[drifting scaffold]

yep off HR bosses and skull key room

[errant isle]

Is there a place to post pictures?

[solemn coral]

br circle removed when?

bladehand has been out the circle 4 times in a row

also why dont they make bandages stop bleeds?

[west drift]

mythril wizard when

[stuck widget]

wt the play count rn

we sub 1k yet or what

[solemn coral]

not as long as im here

[warm fable]

show us new spells

[somber plank]

just coming back after 6 monthsish - anything change? any class super op atm?

[fresh vigil]

Mass killings for Warlocks now

Let no Warlock remain

Warlocks belong in the camps

[ripe moon]

there is like 20 players in the game and 2 of them are warlocks

[fresh vigil]

Good, my plan is going as well as I expected then

[solemn coral]

wow... lantern shield parry just got me headshot by bladeboy

fucking stuck in animation till i noticed he was aiming at my skull

[sour stirrup]

cause at the end of the day... jgriffy was totally right about yall

[fresh vigil]

I wish all magic classes a very Merry Shallow Grave this Christmas Season 🎅🎄🎁

[opal knot]

For the low low price of running Spell Reflect instead of Second Wind, you can put them there personally!

[timber orbit]

that’s a steep price, i could have shield bash instead!

[solemn coral]

im gonna go broke bashing my head against bladehand

his low sweep keeps catching me :l

[graceful wyvern]

this is why i got 42k before grinding stingray

[solemn coral]

sadly i have no trouble with him in normals

[graceful wyvern]

ive gotten pretty good other than the occasional wall-zap on pve fighter but i still get rolled in s2r because i cant time the 3rd phase bubble right on a squire kit bard with no mdr

[graceful wyvern]

maybe you just queue into squires to train?

[solemn coral]

i am going squire kits into hr for him

its just a few of his moves are too fast sometimes

[timber orbit]

some of bladehands attacks are super hard to read for sure

[solemn coral]

like compared to warlord this guy is 3x harder

probably a bad example, warlord is a joke, its just his minions are a tedious phase

[timber orbit]

minions are super tedious. i find bladehand much more difficult to read than spectral knight

but i have dozens of hours of time put into spectral knight and maybe like, 30 minutes into bladehand lol. it’s a process

[solemn coral]

idk, spectral is an amazing boss and super easy to read imo, his hr variant not so much and his phase transition still confuses me on what height he does first lol

[hoary hill]

game ded yet?

[solemn coral]

imma try to warlock bladehand

maybe if i just rat and curse spam lol

it did not work

[sterile star]

how the fuck do i hit a wizard 5 times in the head on rogue with 20 power 8 true and the wizard lives and only has 120 hp and i only got him to half

[graceful wyvern]

rogue karma

[sterile star]

rogue karma bro are u serious wizard is the most broken class and its not even close

[timber orbit]

pretty confident it’s a coin flip

[solemn coral]

yeah, i just book it when he does his phases or phantom it if im a warlock

gotta figure out his hr variant but i don't see the value if he or banshee dont drop artifacts

[timber orbit]

i farm HR spectral unironically just for the AP.

[solemn coral]

how much does it give?

[modest echo]

When he’s charging his sword high, it’s high then low. If his sword is low, it’s low then high

[solemn coral]

well duh, but there's not too big of a difference in my eyes so i struggle to tell

[modest echo]

Ahh. It’s pretty obvious that’s why I thought you didn’t know

[solemn coral]

i guess im just blind lmao

[modest echo]

You might be lol

[timber orbit]

just 150. but the pile can get you a full inventory of purple treasure and you can do 600 AP one layer games with relative ease that way.

i was managing this in a duo, not a bad grind at all

[solemn coral]

yeah imma try that, i just ran a pretty good sea map run and i got 441 ap and 1900 looted worth

idk how people are like in ruins hr yet

80% of my sea map runs are super peaceful or there's a crack head hunting down the server lol

[timber orbit]

i haven’t played ruins HR since the first month of the season but as you can imagine, the area around bridge is very scary. just be careful around there and if you don’t feel safe doing spectral, it’s not worth it

plenty of AP to be made in crypts

[solemn coral]

spectral is my boy so i'm not too worried about doing it at least

[timber orbit]

he’s a pretty chill guy as long as you’re the only person in the room

[solemn coral]

blade hand training will be put on hold for a while... i dropped like 15 deaths back to back on him

[timber orbit]

spectral knight holiday retreat

[solemn coral]

pretty much lol

no other mob i can perfectly position myself on compared to him

[minor silo]

When is wipe

[woven widget]

a bit after hype

[minor silo]

No hype

[woven widget]

then I guess no wipe

[warm fable]

the plate is empty #graysuns-plate

[swift coral]

<@&988703997378584596> erm

PSA dont download whatever that links to unless u want ur passwords stolen

[timber orbit]

thanks wardens very epic

[nocturne scarab]

sounds like something he would say

[vale oar]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-banana-fail-gif-27128557

[woven widget]

So is my dog bowl

[timber orbit]

chyunkus epic gif assist

[warm fable]

there is nothing to eat!

[swift coral]

cigarettes for breakfast again graysun?

[timber orbit]

i had a pretty banging egg sandwich for breakfast, there’s this new fangled egg sandwich machine my mother got me and it’s saved breakfast time for me

[limpid rampart]

Dark, darker, and darker. Photon readings negative.

[pallid marten]

How’s the PvE HR

[timber orbit]

if nothing changed i imagine it still kinda sucks

[umbral niche]

@tribal parrot good attemp

[amber flume]

I just got diddled by a cheater so hard lol

lost a kit just like that

his longsword went through my shield 5 times, straight to my head, even on the deathcam lol

bros called xiohiuan390391

[vital roost]

It'd be cool if the devs bothered to play their own game so they could understand how completely shit it is. I'd bet my entire life savings that SDF hasn't played a single HR match since season 1.

[lavish brook]

yeah they dont ban cheaters so hope you enjoyed that kit while it lasted

[amber flume]

it lasted like 5 minutes

i bought it and i was like, yea im losing this immidietly, got bullied by a druid first, and then the chinese guy

his kit was mega turbo doe, all uniques with crazy ass roles. I stood no chance even ih he wasnt cheating prolly

[warm fable]

give me tavern table

[woeful dagger]

Finally heard when season ends

[somber merlin]

i wonder if this game will ever revive

[lyric verge]

No, Ridiculous TTK and ridiculous combat, no skill expression just equip. It could have been the perfect game but they failed.

[minor silo]

Hi guys i cant use the dark and darker ingame chat why is that so

[somber merlin]

it was my favourite game for a long time :(...

[minor silo]

i cant link any items or text anything

[drifting scaffold]

what happens when you do

[lyric verge]

For me too until my patience runs out. Boring fights, you waste more time building your equipment than playing.And combat is just about out-skilling the enemy.We finally quit a few months ago and we're all happier.

[cedar carbon]

same but the meta killed it for me

i wanna have fun not die to the next unfun combo i wanna lose because you were better than me or played smarter not because of your class n kit

[drifting scaffold]

that's maybe the first time somebody said that in this chat 🥹 finally the game is about out skilling the enemy

[lyric verge]

There are never balanced fights. One player always destroys the other.Do you want to talk about the Door meta? This meta exists because the TTK is ridiculous and the only way to recover a fight is to run away and close doors hoping to heal. Wow.

[ancient crow]

hey which merchants quest gets you an artifact?

I thought it was gobo but I was wrong lol

[magic prairie]

basically door and doorer

[drifting scaffold]

wut how is skill using door?? it's really not but you can use an ounce of brain power and outsmart someone trying to do door and doorer on you

[atomic schooner]

theres other ways. its called healing spells they are good at being cast after just breaking off of a fight instead of running behind doors

[cedar carbon]

the sheer joy in pve parrying a rogue

[lyric verge]

Yes, of course, this is just a way to fix a poorly made game. And I feel sorry for them, but it's the truth.Just read the flip flop patches.
Lol I still read patches about the barbarian same as the ones I read months ago. It feels like a déjà vu.

[atomic schooner]

no clearly using doors is all skill. no one knows how to move away from a door and just ignore the door person till they move out of the door

[ancient crow]

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHICH MERCHANT QUEST LINE ENDS WITH AN ARTIFACT. PLEASE LET A BROTHER KNOW

[wind juniper]

i think nonya has one

[hybrid sequoia]

none

[clever cloud]

I havent played this game in weeks. Sdf pleae

[empty forge]

yeah, I was trynna see if they would do anything about a player making youtube tutorials for 3rd-party-software overlays and shaders, I.E night vision, attack pattern overlays, idek what all else. he was dumb enough to show his username while demonstrating them in-game, soooooo

[pine surge]

it is possible to get a chest in HR PvE? sombody told me that

[empty forge]

I think a chest is possible in every mode, its just STUPIDLY rare in normal PVE, incredibly rare in norms, and still pretty rare in HR. IDK where HR PVE falls on that graph, but my guess is its slightly less rare than normal PVE, but less frequent than norms

[pine surge]

thx sir

[misty thunder]

I am once again asking for multiclassing to return

Make the dungeon great again

[gusty oracle]

The plague of druids on east is going make me crash out but when I go to my normal server west it has 1 person every game. This is in gobo caves

like 4 druids in boof third partying or scooping loot

[soft kettle]

dead and deader

i cant believe ive been apart of this game for 3 years and with every update without fail its been worse and worse (with the exception of adding marketplace)

[forest saffron]

Scooping loot is the easiest way to gear. I prefer to do it in a rogue, but same thing.

[gusty oracle]

Honestly don’t even care about any other class but you can never catch a Druid on gobo caves at least I can run down a rogue if I’m running high ms

Rat window tech should realistically be removed

[forest saffron]

They were supposed to be able to run under doors.

[gusty oracle]

Idk makes no sense to me they can hit harder than a barb and when they get low they turn rat through door and keep going pop mending then come back to try again compared to any other class just doesn’t fit

Like idk just when you loook at ups and downs of most classes it’s decent but a good Druid will almost never die

[forest saffron]

Druid has too many tools and not enough weakness.

[timber orbit]

none of them do, that was only a thing during the semi-semi-wipe season

[gusty oracle]

Yeah that’s what’s annoying it’s like just limit them somehow I’m okay if bear or panther is broken but then limit movement I’m okay if they a ass if they can run everytime like just something yk

[pale canyon]

MAKE THIS GAME FULLY F2P

ITS THE ONLY WAY

[weak shale]

lowkey probably but how would they make money

[pale canyon]

SKINS

[weak shale]

who buys them

[ocean berry]

goblin twerk emote would make bands

[weak shale]

average player doesnt really have an incentive

[warm fable]

Show us new modules @hexed adder 🙏

[spring meadow]

Dude named bardussyy on US west site in PVE mode all day and tries to steal your boss loot. These people are not real

[vast canopy]

Can you still get artificats from skull key room in hr?

[spring meadow]

Yes

[vast canopy]

how rare is it?

1/100 maybe?

[spring meadow]

Sum like that

[vast canopy]

I see, thank you

[lean osprey]

Played the game once in abt 2 months and its still kite and kiter

[ionic fox]

It’s a 0.5 percent chance

[vast canopy]

So its rare rare

[smoky vapor]

This game is painful boring

[drifting scaffold]

i dont rly feel that way. a lot of rounds i get some action

[worldly vessel]

they decided to base the development of their game around h@ckers because they were farming that room, just like the devs did in tarkov and made all loot trash (which is what ironmace has now done, skull key being the first of many dominos to fall with shitty loot), which is what actively killed a lot of the player base in tarkov and is never a good idea

[subtle mauve]

They made it worse loot and skull key less rare because nobody was running it at all since it was worth more to just sell it then roll the dice for a artifact

[mystic needle]

The only nerf to rats I say is make it where druids who have shapeshift have the cooldown to loot bodies that they didnt kill like back in the day

[fallow umbra]

player count?

[warm fable]

Give us tavern table

[modest quiver]

lowest player count i've ever seen the game D:

[hasty roost]

only 4k online, 2k and 2k........oof

[simple vault]

lvl 200 bigheading esp druid still playing the game still not banned

[rich walrus]

Only because it was Hard as fuck to guarantee a good spawn to get and use the gold key , WHEN THEY HAD SHIT DARK CIRCLE, preventing dungeon exploration, in a dungeon exploring game

Honestly wish they would revert the keys needing to be used in same raid , and keep the drop rates HIGH , that way it would give a challenge to go into a round to do , and more people would push it per map , actually creating a POINT OF INTEREST , which would create Organic PVP

[final monolith]

who likes cheese

[drifting scaffold]

haha that sucks though then it’s just too easy. gold and skull key are great pvp spots currently

[simple vault]

crazy how cheaters can play the whole season without getting banned

[hardy raft]

when dnd "expires" do you guys think sdf will be a good person and publish the games source code or keep it for himself?

[subtle mauve]

Unless the next season is absolute buns I don't imagine dnd will expire anytime soon

[final monolith]

i like cheese

[vale oar]

⬛ 🧀
🫴

[final monolith]

😋 ❤️

[warm fable]

What will be the most fun map to play in season 8

[hardy raft]

sdf plans to add space map, think about it

[dreamy vine]

We need giant amoeba map

[subtle mauve]

i think that sounds sick af if done correctly

[warm fable]

SDF kitchen map when?

[hardy raft]

but its not in games theme how do you even balance things out in that map, especially when they can't balance stuff on ground AND adding more maps means less players in your current map

might as well add monk with 6 dashes and undodgable attacks

[subtle mauve]

I think the game is pretty balanced at its current moment in trios at the very least

[hardy raft]

its not, trio on high end is just buff ball meta, the only balanced part of this game is in squire to riches

[elfin burrow]

Is this like the CS rats map, where players are tiny and fight/loot in the kitchen?

[subtle mauve]

Ive seen plenty of different team comps than buff ball. The cleric buffs were a bit werid in the last patch but I don't think trios is impossible to play if your not buff ball.

[warm fable]

Played on such map

[hardy raft]

you're at huge disadvantage if you don't, the main games problem is scaling, on low end it's fine but better the gear the worse it is

scaling issue

[subtle mauve]

I think the scaling issue is more of a gear issue in general rather than a buff ball issue

[slim scroll]

HOLD THE CASKET REST IN PEACE DARK AND DARKER HOLD THE CASKET

[hardy raft]

that's what makes buff ball strong, if everyone 3 taps everyone, any insta healing makes it op

[slim scroll]

HOLD THE CASKET REST IN PEACE DARK AND DARKER HOLD THE CASKET

[subtle mauve]

then just go 3 tap the cleric lol

[hardy raft]

you can't the game is called door and doorer for a reason

[subtle mauve]

you are the first person ive ever heard say that but also if a team is holding a door just don't fight them then go find a different module thats more open

[hardy raft]

nice bait, everyone with more than 10hours already knows that it's door and doorer

• cleric can tank your dmg with enough magical healing and sanc

[subtle mauve]

Idk man buff ball hasn't been an issue for me this wipe might just be a skill issue on your part

[hardy raft]

have you fought anyone geared and experienced this wipe?

its rare but it's a thing

[subtle mauve]

If buff ball is rare than it must not be that big of an issue lol

[hardy raft]

it's not buff ball being rare, it's experienced players being rare

everyone who is anything quittt

[dreamy vine]

You can break doors now btw

[hardy raft]

yeah, but 200hp 60pdr barb can stand in doorway and outheal your dmg with cleric

while 3 tapping you

[subtle mauve]

Then just kepe hitting him until the cleric runs out of spells?

[dreamy vine]

With your wiz ls him etc?

[hardy raft]

easily, ironwill

if it's true buffball then it's fighter/barb + cleric + healer druid and he's never dying

[dreamy vine]

And you can't flank from another door?

[hardy raft]

gl leaving your team to die

[hardy raft]

full debuf dur druid has his phasing every 1s in high end gear

so you can't even hit him twice in a row

[dreamy vine]

If they guess when you flank and dive ya but that's the game they don't 100% know

[timber orbit]

guys bbno$ retired from making music can we hold a moment of silence

[hardy raft]

try playing debuff duration healer druid, see how ppl can't swing at you more than twice

[timber orbit]

rest in piece Gen Z Eminem

[hardy raft]

thank god, he did like 1 good song and tried to market it for 10 years

[modern glen]

Yeah i WISH he retired

[dreamy vine]

Yo its %$$@*f= in the house time to rock the mic drop this roof down

[sudden hatch]

have you tried not w keying every fight

[hardy raft]

yeah it's called door and doorer or run and runner

[calm shoal]

does anyone know where to find shining pearls?

[sudden hatch]

how it feels to use my bow

[hardy raft]

buff ball laughs at you

[sudden hatch]

how so

[strange cipher]

Then bait out spells or proc some anti heal

[hardy raft]

60-70pdr 200hp + all heals

[sudden hatch]

foreal

[hardy raft]

if they dont know what they're doing sure, but if they do you're fked

[strange cipher]

You just need to learn when its time to fight and when its time to stall

[sudden hatch]

and ur fighting against turbobis buffball with what classes

[hardy raft]

clarity potionst exists

[strange cipher]

If they dont use spells then you can just kill the barb

[sudden hatch]

ur lowkey cucking urself with this mindset

[strange cipher]

Then they are down a player and you can clean them up real fucking quick

[sudden hatch]

my enemy WILL be better than me. i have NO hope of winning

[hardy raft]

you guys just still in honeymoon phase thinking game is good

[sudden hatch]

im 1300 hours in its still p fun

[strange cipher]

Ig understanding how to fight the most popular trio comp in the game is honeymoon

[hardy raft]

I bet you even justify landmine rogues in solo queues

[sudden hatch]

lmao no invis is boring

[strange cipher]

Its boring but also just use your ears

[sudden hatch]

ct rapture any day of the week!!!

[strange cipher]

You can hear their footsteps fine as long as you aren't blasting music

[hardy raft]

creep exists and I've seen multiple rogues in hr just crouching still for 10min

[thorn bay]

What ab standing still or creep?

[strange cipher]

Creep is useless as long as your listening for their steps and as for them standing completely still if you're seeing them for the first time then that's just unfortunate but if youve seen them once before then that's on you

[strange cipher]

Js reduces sound not remove it for a while now

[sudden hatch]

creep is such a waste of a perk

invis be like. ok so you have to spend a skill slot and two perk slots and then maybe i will be good

[hardy raft]

https://outplayed.tv/dark-and-darker/NZoXeO
this is my rogues in games idk about yours

imagine if he had gear

he's playing skyrim

[strange cipher]

You can hear every single footstep??

[sudden hatch]

i mean if landmine rogues r such a problem bring dust pouches check corners like

[thorn bay]

Because all the mobs cleared

[strange cipher]

Getting landmined is 100% a skill issue if they take even a single step

[sudden hatch]

game gives you tools against this bro✌️

[strange cipher]

Doesn't matter learn to filter sounds

[hardy raft]

and this is my norms lobbies
https://outplayed.tv/dark-and-darker/bK4jBJ

[modest echo]

Remove hide

[sudden hatch]

WILL RINGS IN NORMS😭😭😭

[hardy raft]

"I see no problem with the game, sdf is god at balance"

[strange cipher]

That too lol just dont straight w key every room and you will be fine

[sudden hatch]

nobody said this😭

[wind coral]

if you play hide rogue you know what you are 😬

[sudden hatch]

invis is stupid n needs to get reworked

[strange cipher]

No I dont see a problem with the ways your getting killed because they are skill issues

[sudden hatch]

wait what are they

[hardy raft]

he misspelled roach

[sudden hatch]

#ROASTED!!!'

[swift coral]

they tried doing that but the rogues complained and got it reverted

[thorn bay]

So you think invis is fine where it’s at right now?

[sudden hatch]

eh sdf can definitely ignore complaints if he wants to

[swift coral]

got reverted so quick i cant even find recordings of the invis effect in action

[hardy raft]

ofc he does, he never goes to good modules for loot and goes for outskirts of the map

[strange cipher]

Tbh yeah Ive been landmined maybe 3 times this wipe and all of them were due to being pushed into them

[thorn bay]

What did it used to do

[thorn bay]

What class u play

[strange cipher]

I play a bit of everything just maining one class gets boring

[hardy raft]

he doesn't play

[strange cipher]

Probably played bard the most recently though

[hardy raft]

last time he played was at dec 3

[swift coral]

he sure can, the invis shader thing was his whole idea, it may even return to the game with more interaction than previously, at least that's what he's alluded to in regard to the final vision of how invis works with light levels.

@thorn bay for a few days, there was a semi-translucent shader applied to rogues when they move in invis, similar to the predator camo in AvP, it wasnt visible while the rogue was stationary, so landmine playstyle wasnt even killed fully, alas, they still complained & it got quickly reverted

[hardy raft]

not a true day to day gamer, opinion invalid

[thorn bay]

I haven’t really been land mined to much either but I have been fighting them and they go invis and the stuff they pulled goes to me

[strange cipher]

Not playing for a few days because ive got finals to prep for has nothing to do with being good at the game or not lol

[hardy raft]

not a true gamer

[strange cipher]

Yeah it can get a bit annoying js back up and shut a door

[hardy raft]

dnd>finals

[thorn bay]

That’s unfortunate sounds like a good fix

[strange cipher]

You cant force fights with rogues if you do they will just catch you off guard

[swift coral]

yeah it was really good imo, killed a lot of overzealous rogues who thought they could walk around invis in a fully lit room without being seen

[sudden hatch]

unirnoically yeah they need to do a few things. ones reworking hide and making it like a camouflage ability or something not true invis. then they gotta GET RID OF THE MF HR ZONE!!!

[strange cipher]

Unfortunately I have goals and aspirations 💔

[hardy raft]

nice lie, we all know life is meaningless without dnd

[swift coral]

yeah they did that, they just gotta bring back the shader they used, it worked fine imo
community needs to stop being so reactionary to changes to the game also, imo

[strange cipher]

Its oke tho 2 weeks and then I get to go back to dnd

[thorn bay]

Is there still gonna be a patch soon I heard something about one a few days ago

[strange cipher]

Youve gotta balance it, I have to have an academic comeback cause of all the dnd

[hardy raft]

still waiting for sneakpeeks from graysuns plate

[sudden hatch]

yeah lmao

[strange cipher]

As long as zone was gone id be perfectly happy with things

[sudden hatch]

#truthnuke

[strange cipher]

Maybe some buffs to artifact drops so more people were running them

[sudden hatch]

tbh tbh tbh i do want more of this ....

make em a little more accessible...

[strange cipher]

Yeah atm its just not worth it to run them

[hardy raft]

zone stays, mmorpg grind levels stay, new space map is on the way, don't worry

[sudden hatch]

cant be arsed to risk ALL that instead of a bunch of bis kits

[strange cipher]

Space whale will save the game

[strange cipher]

Yeah I only really run nameds if I happen to kill somebody with one I really want to run and get their kit

Too much of an investment otherwise

[sudden hatch]

they #needto bring back gs bruh

[hardy raft]

best thing to do after killing named is vendor it to npc

[sudden hatch]

running crafts in norms is ridiculousauce

[graceful fox]

crafts are very easy to make

[sudden hatch]

yeah and they are REALLY good

[strange cipher]

Its only like 3k to make an almost completely bis norms kit

[graceful fox]

then run them yourself??? get a grip

[sudden hatch]

durr sub roomtemp iq take

[graceful fox]

cant believe people run gear in the game about getting gear 😠

[sudden hatch]

that is not my point run all the gear you want just make it so you cant run full bis against squire timmies!!

[hardy raft]

this game is about holding F on pile, not getting gear, are you crazy?

[graceful fox]

you cant in squire to riches

[sudden hatch]

i want more people to enjoy the game!! right now green and purple gear is absolutely worthless

[timber orbit]

i wish i had to perform 25 quick time events to pull pile

[sudden hatch]

you either wear blues, or legendaries

[visual swallow]

refuse to play s2r mode
run squire kit in norms
get mad you're in a squire kit in norms

[sudden hatch]

dbd collab ?

[strange cipher]

having 224s back would be nice

[graceful fox]

thats not true, a well rolled purple kit can take on a leggo kit easy

[sudden hatch]

lowkey true yeah

[graceful fox]

what we need is a patch

[sudden hatch]

nah dont even bother its just gonna be meaningless numberpushing

[strange cipher]

on wipe not rn

[sudden hatch]

they need to like take some time to actually figure shit out

[strange cipher]

playerbase would be way too split if they added 124s and 224s back

[visual swallow]

34 queues
what we need is more queues

[pearl surge]

How are my favorite lab rats doing today ❤️

[mighty wagon]

I have an idea, lets shit on the game and keep grinding game after game, paying for gear so everyone has a shitty time

[dreamy vine]

Paying for gear?

[trail arrow]

love playing on my home servers and getting rubber banded every time I move

[cedar carbon]

how is barb still broken in melee 😭

[worldly vessel]

they specifically said they nerfed the artificat drop rate for skull key because of cheaters

[atomic schooner]

yeah its crazy that the class designed to be a really strong melee character is actually strong in melee. sounds like thye gotta nerf wizard

[subtle mauve]

From annoucements " We have also reworked the special key system so they drop much more frequently and must be used within that session instead of being carried out to be used as a store of value."

[timber orbit]

where was this stated?

[cedar carbon]

i mean as in there exists limited counterplay against it in a melee oriented situation

youre just boned
like shields are meant to be counterplay but you can just hug and hit over
longsword is meant to be counterplay but its longsword.. so,, enough said really

[timber orbit]

the counterplay is not entering a melee situation against a barb without first wasting their cooldowns or gaining a damage at range initiative prior to entering melee

a barb on cooldowns is typically a fish

[sharp harbor]

unless they have 184 base health 50%pdr without rage

realistically the only way to beat a barb is to never let them catch you LOL

[atomic schooner]

i play cleric and dont have many problems against barbs in melee lol. i just dodge them

[timber orbit]

when they’ve got that much sunk into health and PDR they more than likely have so little movement speed and action speed that you can literally get entire hits in between their swings by baiting them and then just walk away

which is typically pretty easy if you’re playing any standard melee archetype not named longsword

[sterile star]

how the fuck are u supposed to enjoy this game when every single fucking hr lobby is filled with naked rogues stealing ur loot IM is genuinely the biggest group of skinheads ive ever seen

[sharp harbor]

Sadly you just gotta scoop before resetting lol

[sterile star]

then they stab u and die cus u actually have to fucking fight rather then just sitting and waiting

[sharp harbor]

yesssssir

[sterile star]

this game is like actually unplayable when 90% of the fucking playerbase is playing one class and not fighting theres obviously a fucking problem i hope this company goes bankrupt and can never bring the game back

[gaunt oracle]

Rogue: simultaneously the most powerful and weakest class in the game. When other people play it, its busted. But when you try it, its weak. Strange indeed.

[gaunt oracle]

maybe try wizard

[sterile star]

try wizard to get ratted by a barb who sits behind a door all game

[gaunt oracle]

you're right. every class is weak. maybe try crochet

[sterile star]

theres nothing u can do in this game to have fun its ruined by rats because that type of gameplay is promoted by the devs

[drifting scaffold]

solo is almost always suffering

[sterile star]

its the saem kids that rat and love the game then think hmmm whys this game dead

its actually ffucking insane how dumb u have to be to nuke the game in one update

[gaunt oracle]

idk about you but I play PVE. PVP players are often too whiney and entitled to tolerate

[sterile star]

yeah bro well pve is your thing not mine so u enjoy that cus im sure its actually playable

i dont see a point in pve it just feels like ur grinding for nothing

[gaunt oracle]

super playable. I wish the pve was a little harder and we had more useful hunting loot to craft with, but at least its fun

pvp side seems down bad

[sterile star]

yeah that would be cool

[sterile star]

yeah pvp side of the game is just mostly cheaters or people that wont fight unless its a third party and then in every lobby youll have at least two teams of rats waiting to loot

[cedar carbon]

ill give it a shot

im just coming back after a long time and getting bear hugged by meta barbs
sorta was clueless on what exactly to do there

[sterile star]

be ready for rats stealing your loot every single lobby will have them

[gaunt oracle]

always has been; always will be. pvp is played mostly for ego. proving to yourself and others that you're better than someone else. pve is just fun. build a goofy kit and see if you can kill a boss with it. never gets old

[sterile star]

yeah i tried pve in this game and in tarkov i just couldnt find a way to have fun theres just no thrill of worrying about dying or the thrill of insane loot

[gaunt oracle]

yeah so thrilling that everyone who enjoys the mode spends more time here complaining about it

[shrewd merlin]

Loot needs to be same as HR, but characters have to be locked to the mode, so PvE is actually a good game mode.

[final monolith]

1. does infernal pledge work to negate 40% of demonlocks in pvp 2) does vampirism help with drinking potions ?? anyone?

[sterile star]

i agree with that

[sterile star]

idk about the demonlock one but vampirism helps with potions as all magical healing does

[sterile star]

vampirism with potions is like potion chugger on barb

[final monolith]

its 20% but i have 0 magical healing. it does work right

[gaunt oracle]

it would be nice if dark and darker had a PVE/PVP checkbox on character creation kinda like diablo 2 soft/hardcore ladder characters. Then PVE loot wouldnt have to suck. It could be identical in both modes since there's 0 crossover

[sterile star]

yeah like when i play boc lock i always take vampirism

[final monolith]

im curious about infernal pledge tho, would be funny to negate 40% of demonlocks damage in pvp

[sterile star]

yeah they should do it how tarkov does it u just switch mode and its a completely new character with nothing shared

[sterile star]

i dont think it works as the devs absolutely hate warlock but u can try

[trail arrow]

the ability to three tap a club barb on slayer fighter is some beautiful stuff, killed at least three absolute juicers already cause they crutch on club. If they used bardiche I probably woulda lost

[pale coral]

hey guys i havent played in months, is the game still fairly active

[crude blaze]

2 players in dungeon >W<

[dense smelt]

do we know when the season ends?

[crude blaze]

nuh

[dense smelt]

thx

[crude blaze]

ofc twin ;3

[ionic fox]

maybe cause its a melee class like what are you yapping about

[graceful wyvern]

i think people would have fewer problems with barb if it was winning required more things than "tap ability in range and aim for head"

[limber cairn]

wogue

[timber orbit]

u and me

[little geyser]

WTF LATENCY SERVER TOO HIGH

[crude blaze]

true..

[zinc bison]

Thinking bout loading in to die with my large coin bags and dealmaker currencies. Is there any queue that actually allows me to launch in with those items?

[forest saffron]

Been this way for weeks, Akay still argues with me and says game is not dead, and everytime he looks, there is 4k-6k in dungeon. Not a chance.

[vapid island]

Game can feel dead or full just depends on what queue/region combination you are doing. I play SEA, Japan, US W, US E, and EU, and they each have their own particular lobby types that are always full and always dead

[forest saffron]

If you think that 2k in dungeon is healthy, you might be confused.

[vapid island]

STR for example, in asia/eu you will wait in a 10 minute queue just to find 2 team members and go in to a dead lobby, while US W and US E STR is almost instant. Arena is pretty much instant in Asia but long queues in NA. Some maps for solos are more popular in some regions and not in others

[forest saffron]

17 queues, 8 regions, 2k in dungeon. Math does not add.

136 instances.

[vapid island]

As a whole, yes player numbers are down compared to previous seasons, but you'd be surprised how few players this game needs to have enough action if your region just decides to only do a few queue types. Asia for example has always been a small community even since the start, but we get full lobbies just by only doing a few queues

[elfin burrow]

Can we fire whomever is in charge of goblin/ice caves? It's clearly the same person. There's no reason in a game to have to wait 23835792652756 years for every enemy to finish dying to be able to loot them. It's just waiting.

[fleet cape]

How many players in total online rn

[vapid island]

lol yeah that is annoying. I'm convinced whoever did the PVE for goblin caves was just trying to come up with as many ways as possible to add as many little obnoxious annoyances to the map as possible

[elfin burrow]

Should technically be enough to have full matches, but instead of waiting it launches in like 15 seconds.

[vapid island]

To be fair, if you watch player numbers daily every week. the first couple days after arena closes the numbers always drop to the lowest point that week, and then start to come up again a day or two before arena. Arena grinding just burns people out really fast

[fleet cape]

Can u just tell me how many in lobby and how many in dungeon

[vapid island]

you can log in the same as i could and check

[elfin burrow]

People clearly love arena. It should be here more, not less.

[fleet cape]

I don’t have it installed 🫡

[vapid island]

Perma open arena would just kill the game. you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out

[forest saffron]

The game can't support arena 24/7 with the player numbers.

[elfin burrow]

Except player numbers would likely rise if it was always an option.

[vapid island]

it wouldn't matter if there were 100k players, you wouldn't want arena open 24/7. I love arena but it's basic game dev 101 to know that it would hurt the game and player numbers long term

[forest saffron]

Opening arena 24/7 would bring more players to arena, which kills an already dead dungeon experience.

[candid lagoon]

when are we going to know what are the rewards? season ends in 2 weeks

[elfin burrow]

I mean, I kind of don't care. I mostly work weekends, which means I can't really enjoy it for the most part. RElegating certain modes to certain days guarantees screwing over some players. Also, whenever I go into pvp anything, on any day, there is plenty of fighting with people. I'm guessing the people complaining about low numbers are in areas where not many people play games like this.

[vapid island]

There's no progressive game loop to arena and as it stands the way it is currently the rating is completely meaningless. 24/7 Arena would just burn out all of the arena players and instead of going back to the dungeons they would just take breaks/quit the game entirely

[slim scroll]

the "make it or break it" season arrived and is on its way to be concluded. i expect announcements to either hugely resize or abandon all together. this game has not been profitable for a loooooong time and many games have come out that either compete or outright replace.

[vapid island]

Yeah it definitely is unfortunate for people who dont game on weekends but it is what it is. I rarely game on weekends so I also rarely get the chance to play arena but i get it in when i can fit it in

[misty ridge]

I disagree. I think we've yet to see a game in the same genre that can compete

[worldly juniper]

is it done?

[slim scroll]

the pvpve games are a dozen and more is sure to show up.

[vapid island]

lol as someone who has tried every "competitor" and "replacement" that has released since DnD alpha, and always hoping and praying that one of them can replace DnD so i can quit DnD and not have to hate IM dev's anymore, there has yet to be a game that even comes remotely close to competing

im still praying one will come out in the future

[slim scroll]

but focus on the important part which is profitability. ther might not be a middle ages dark fantasy replacment yet but the other pvpve games are syphoning most players.

[elfin burrow]

Right? All the attempted copies are somehow worse, usually have trash servers, and just have worse balance. It's like they are trying to get on the hype train but have no idea how to make games.

[vapid island]

the combat system is what is usually terrible in the replacement games, as well as the pve

dungeon borne or whatever that game was called, the concept was super cool and i had high hopes for it but the pve was so bad and the combat wasn't smooth

[elfin burrow]

The pve was bad, and the pvp balance was worse than a joke. Warrior spin-to-win autokilled any caster because they couldn't block, and the skill was balanced around clicking block.

[vapid island]

if there is one thing that IM does well its pve. I'd bet they could make a really cool solo/co-op type game, where they lack is pvp

[misty ridge]

Yes I agree

[vapid island]

the creation of druid is a prime example of that. that's such a single player/co-op type game mindset to thing that is a good idea. they clearly dont understand the basic game dev questions you have to ask yourself when you are making a pvp game, which one of the most important questions is "is it fun to play against?"

[misty ridge]

Particularly, I think if blocking/parrying was more consistent, and more weapons had ripostes and incentive to block then it'd feel a lot better

[elfin burrow]

Dude, blocking hasn't been right since release. Axe mobs STILL literally go straight through shields.

[vapid island]

Blocking is player dependent. One of the worst parts of DnD is that your ping is everything. Playing on low ping is almost like having built in cheat codes in this game. If you're playing on super low ping you can block almost everything without a problem and you don't get the problems that you just mentioned

[elfin burrow]

Actually no, and yes. Through testing, you have to block in an abitrary direction rather than where the actual weapon is. You don't block the, "attack," you block the direction which is often far away from the weapon itself. It's just bad code.

[swift coral]

For sure.
real skill expression, unlike the 'skill expression' that some people claim desync blocking was, bhopping, curse spamming, etc.

I'd much prefer genuine skill expression in the game, I understand that people think that there's not much skill expression outside of aforementioned unintended mechanics, I just think that people get really tunnel visioned and angry when things like that are removed or fixed, claiming it's removal of skill expression.

But IMO if the blocking actually was consistent and felt good, then there'd be room for a new, real avenue for skill expression, far less gimmicky than exploits, use or abuse of unintended mechanics. and far more fun to actually pull off in practice.

[vapid island]

Ping effects your MS, action speed, equip speed, hit swing slow duration, interaction speed etc etc etc. almost everything in this game is tied to ping. You might think you're headshotting someone with your felling axe on your screen but in reality as far as the game is concerned your hitting their shoulder/arm

[elfin burrow]

Blocking would also be far better if aiming/movement was disabled mid-swing. I've done swordfighting, and I've never seen someone have a seizure every swing hitting 57135 points. You can't just rotate your body mid-swing to hit all over the place or change direction anywhere near what this game allows.

[vapid island]

if i understand what you are talking about specifically, i'm pretty sure that's intentional when it comes to over hand weapons. they can still chip the top of your head and hit your shield at the same time if you dont position your shield right. it looks like you are positioning it right but from the player perspective it can still hit your head

[elfin burrow]

If you put the axe blade in the middle of the shield, it hits you. It you aim straight up and objectively don't block the actual blade, you can block it.

[vapid island]

just get the invisible shield cheat like many fighter mains use and you'll be fine. no need for them to make an artifact for it, it already exists for many players

i dont even think that one is something you have to DL, pretty sure that is just done through game file manipulation

[elfin burrow]

Links for this? I'd love to see what you mean. Not to use, just to know how downhill this has gone.

Also, I've tested this with 65% pdr and 50% undead DR, standing perfectly still to prove it wasn't lag. Blocking is just wrong, plain and simple.

[worldly vessel]

The skull key loot nerf was MILES before this change lol

[still dome]

they shadow nerfed barnacles

no patch notes

[misty ridge]

Those were adjusted a good bit ago

[static zodiac]

Stop looking at released games as “dark and darker killers” with this dumb “us vs them” mentality, even when majority of these games fill their own niche within the genre and are good for the gaming scene as a whole

[still dome]

nah it was today

[static zodiac]

It’s a game, people enjoy it that’s fine.
So silly to see people put down other devs because their game has potential to do better than dark and darker

[still dome]

i shouldnt be getting blue and green gems in hr

[static zodiac]

What map?

[still dome]

malestorm

[static zodiac]

Where are you getting them from?

[still dome]

barnacles

[elfin burrow]

They aren't good for the gaming scene if they die off in under 2 months because they are just that bad.

[static zodiac]

Agreed, because majority of people hop on this bandwagon of “oh this will replace so and so game” rather than devs try to build their games up from the ground, look at forever winter and how they built their own community instead of trying to cultivate based off another’s

[static zodiac]

Yeah it makes sense, another good spot for them is the multitude of lions heads and surprisingly the piranhas

[vapid island]

what are you even talking about? you must not have read the conversation cause you're interpretation of what was being said is all out of whack lol

your*

[static zodiac]

If that’s the case than I was over emotional about a load of nothing