the-tavern

[latent iron]

is the server getting ddos

[primal dagger]

And the kitchen is closed??..

[keen zephyr]

Abomination

[valid topaz]

imagine random hr map yet ruins is 90% of hr now fix it shit heads

[vernal marten]

they donT listen to what the peopole want. its what SDF wants and thats why his game is dying lol

[valid topaz]

yeah dark and darker is the dungeonborne

[latent iron]

just want to be able to play any map i want : (

[valid topaz]

i dont even care if its random but damn at least make it feel random it feels like ruins with the chance of something else

[latent iron]

And allow games to start with only one team in hr

[latent iron]

ruins with a chance of buff barb

[upbeat thunder]

imagine if pvp loot and characters where seperate from pve. and you could pve in a dungeon with your squad being the only one in game

get to actually fight mobs instead of come across open doors and wiped rooms all the time.

[gritty ermine]

Map selection pls. I wanna spam hr stingray

[gritty ermine]

His Hell’s Kitchen is set on fire

[late bolt]

seriously whoever thought adding a 'im seething all game so im gonna third party u as PVE' feature needs to accidently get an anvil dropepd on them

[fresh flare]

If I had a nickel for everytime the devs said they were gonna add something/want to add something and they either never add it or never talk about it again I’d be richer than that fucking nepo baby elon

[tawdry quiver]

gambling on my map choice so i can gamble on my loot

[wet tapir]

Game became good again? Also, is it still a magic clusterfuck?

[sonic oasis]

does true magical damage affect rogue poisoned weapon?

[unique zinc]

who's gonna tell him

[marsh oriole]

why are they limiting players from playing the game? theres only 2500 in dungeon

[gritty ermine]

Map selection asap

[remote nymph]

Game sucks

[gritty ermine]

Facts. You know it’s bad when people even prefer arc

[late bolt]

yes look at the modifier (0.5) tahts magic scaling so it scales for half 0.5

[gritty ermine]

Sdf finna finds himself alone in random dungeons

[desert orbit]

Raise artifact drop rates and let us pick our maps in HR!!! @proud copper

[gritty ermine]

[bright sun]

what is even the point of tidestone stuff

[gritty ermine]

Nothing. Such a beautiful looking crafting that has been ruined. Should have been action speed instead

[broken pumice]

to look like minecraft steve

[bright sun]

:( not even good enough for zirkzis eye

[exotic heron]

dont even know why i look to see if arena is open anymore shits never up and the actual game is dog water man

[cyan monolith]

it has a set schedule lol what

[vapid island]

tbh this game can operate in low player count, especially if they reduced the amount of queues and modes. If they put normals to one que just like HR it would be fine. Solos on SEA for example is where all the best players in asia go play. It's like the same pool of 30 players every game but the lobbies are still full. Japan has a super low player count as well and still full lobbies

as long as your region has like 30-100 players who consistently play, it doesn't feel dead at all. Korea on the other hand, that region is dead lobby in every game mode

[exotic heron]

im not on everyday? lol what

[kindred bluff]

I have been killed by the same cheater 2 times. 127 LVLS ON HIS CHAR, HOW IS HE NOT BANNED

[vapid island]

it tells you what day its going to open

[cyan monolith]

it literally tells you when its open and closed

[gritty ermine]

Map selection pls

[vapid island]

It doesn't matter how they do it, people will complain. They've literally tried every variation of map/que selection possible and there is always a large crowd of people who complain about it no matter what it is

[uncut bobcat]

bcs they don’t know how to keep players they are so bad at PR

[kindred bluff]

theres only 2k people in dungeon. If you place ONE SINGULAR dev to check if cheaters are in a lobby you fix the game

I can't believe an actual cheater can team and cheat REPETITIVELY in EU hr without a ban, he is lvl 127. HOW ARE YOU NOT CATCHING HIM

[covert maple]

im conviced the game literally cant get worse why is water map in HR bro, why cant i pick the map i want in HR and normals is random

[uncut bobcat]

will any of the devs acknowledge the player base does not like anything they’ve done so far

[rapid panther]

yo does anyone know if the intricate wooden figure is a quest item ?

[woven widget]

yeah you need 15 of them for the woodsman's 5th quest

[rapid panther]

@woven widget youre joking right ?

[marsh oriole]

start chopping

[keen briar]

this game is finished isnt it?

[tawdry quiver]

they been doing that and they do not care

[vapid island]

Enough people just have to report. I get 3-5 ban notifications a week for cheaters/teamers, so they do ban people

[lapis star]

i just wanna pick my damn HR maps. Also underwater pvp is a big fat L. the whole map is garbage

[vapid island]

The more problematic and more annoying cheating that goes on is all the file manipulation. It's apparently outside of their scope of competency to catch those, so unless you stream yourself doing it like the one person did, you can go years without a ban. A lot of the so called "top players/streamers" use manipulated game files/settings that you can't access normally.

[lapis star]

how would manipulating something in the files to cheat even work in a game? I thought cheats were all external programs that attach themselves as a child process to the program

[uncut bobcat]

wouldnt really call something they give us access to edit is called cheating, for example, even in Ark Survival, they made it to where you can just edit your ini ingame using the command lines

[vapid island]

There is so much of this game that is client side for some reason. An example is the movespeed reduction from swinging weapons/pulling out your weapons etc, that can be manipulated and reduced. While ping plays a big roll in it as well, if you ever wonder how these people seamingly are able to weave in and out of combat while swinging yet barely are seeing a MS reduction, thats why

Another example is blocking/parrying, there are was to manipulate the settings not normally accessible by the settings window to increase your block/parry accuracy

[uncut bobcat]

oh your not even talking about the files im talking about i have no clue what your on about ngl ^

[lapis star]

I see, tons of fighters I come across do stuff like that. Literally yelled this morning about how a full pdr fighter was hitting me (320 ms rogue) with his weapon out whilst I had no weapon out running sideways and he caught me so easily i had no chance to space myself. i blamed ping

[vapid island]

I'm not talking about that stuff, im talking about literally manipulating client side files

[uncut bobcat]

have you replicated the issue and seen exactly how it was done?

[vapid island]

Yeah the hardest part is trying to figure out is that a ping issue or them cheating, or both. Thats the problem with this game. Someone with super low ping can do stuff like that if your pring is higher

[lapis star]

now that I'm thinking about it I just think the dude was cheating but how would a 600 fame player be a cheater n not be banned? didnt report cause of that

[vapid island]

I mean this is well known and documented stuff that's been around forever. There were was a streamer banned like last month (cant remember his name) because he was publicly sharing manipulated game file packages

[uncut bobcat]

what "stuff" there has to be specifics when your talking about "stuff" such as this

[vapid island]

Yeah that's one of the most frustrating parts of this game to me is how much ping matters. Ping matters in every game, but the way this game is coded, ping REALLY matters.

[vapid island]

I gave you two examples already. Another example is that the bushes/trees in ruins are also client side. You can delete them

[uncut bobcat]

I understand, but what your trying to explain is sort of all over the place bcs originally you weren't even talking about what files I was mentioning and you agreed that that's not what you were talking about, and then in this sentence here you bring up folliage, which would be considered what I'm talking about. You just need to be more specific and more detial oriented is all

[vapid island]

You brought up ark stuff, i dont play ark, i assumed you meant they allow you to change certain things that doesn't give you some significant advantage. I'm talking about changing client side game files that aren't just accessible through an in game menu that everyone can see, which give you significant advantages in pvp

[buoyant venture]

Hello

[unreal marsh]

my game just crashed and when i joined back all my gear was gone and i didn't even die

is this normal ??

this is one of the reason game is dying

[feral kite]

Yup average bug

[minor eagle]

remove water map now

[trim idol]

can we fix the bug that givbes me the most braindead teamates

[storm kernel]

The Ancient Egg drop rate is ridiculous. It really made me hate the water map and the Stingray boss. It's incredibly boring and tedious to repeat the same thing 400 times.

[pure wigeon]

bring back multi class

[trim idol]

nah

[pure wigeon]

yea

[trim idol]

it was fun but really unhealthy for the game

[pure wigeon]

its definitely healthy right now at 2k

[trim idol]

thats why its even worst

[nocturne scarab]

map rotation fixed that
dont worry

[rotund ether]

Has stingray egg become more available yet?

[visual swallow]

multiclass was awesome

multiclass was great, water map is ass, faustian bargain is super ass, pve modes are ass, druid is ass. Too much ass and not enough multiclassing

[lilac tulip]

game dead yet?

[trim idol]

"yet" dawg its been a year

[trim idol]

druid is ass as in broken?

[visual swallow]

nah I don't think druid is all that great right now. The class design is super ass though

[trim idol]

have they nerfed it within the last 6 months? cuz i just got back into the game

[visual swallow]

yes

[trim idol]

ah, cuz i recall a time whereas it was the best solo class and duo class in game

[visual swallow]

they made it so shapeshift mastery disables almost all their heal spells, that was the biggest change

[trim idol]

wait thats huge

sorc still busted?

[visual swallow]

idk they get nerfed like every single patch

[trim idol]

i think we need to revert to before druid was a class era

[visual swallow]

I play wiz and bard mostly so sorc doesn't bother me that much but they get nerfed a lot so I guess they bother sdf lol

[trim idol]

good lol

[visual swallow]

druid is a goober class for goober players. deserves to be in the gutter balance-wize

[trim idol]

yep

[nocturne scarab]

drawing things in your inventory with potions
shit talking the enemy
dying intentionally in rat form while naked

[winged citrus]

I sure hope they remove fighter and ranger from this game. they're pretty much the same class.

[scarlet dragon]

[trim idol]

the line was snapped months ago twin

[blazing gull]

Donkey kong

[wind juniper]

warlock is kinda similar too get them out as well

[spiral quest]

and wizard

[winged citrus]

and bard

[half drum]

wow less then 3k in dungeon game is official dead

[vivid wasp]

When is wipe?

[spiral quest]

idk

[turbid elbow]

33+ days

[glass sable]

EH @proud copper WHERE IS THE HOTFIX FOR THE RUBBERBANDING?? hello?? Its a month old already

[dreamy vine]

give book reposte , cowards

[hybrid sequoia]

almost as if all of the US is asleep and all of the EU is getting up to work, eh?

[shell robin]

that part

[rancid marten]

No, this doesn’t change anything because this is when peak Asia logs in. The usual is 3k in dungeon now regardless of time.

[shell robin]

it looks like there's 5k on rn tho

[rancid marten]

the usual

[warm fable]

Artifact tournament when

[molten iris]

how long is goblin recovery stay, my internet is down for 1hr and i was in dungeon. Cant get my gear back from goblin

[deep musk]

wipe the game and remove water map.

[hybrid sequoia]

and what makes you believe the game is popular in asia?

asians like repetitive, grindy mmos, not games like this

Arc Raiders dips in the exact same time window DaD does

[rancid marten]

Is this satire?

[hybrid sequoia]

its objective reality, you're free to argue it tho

[wind juniper]

@proud copper asians don't like this game, you hearin this shit?

[nocturne scarab]

🐟

[rancid marten]

I work overnights in a lab, EST. If the 5 “larger” streamers aren’t live at this time, the ENTIRE twitch directory is Asian. Whether that’s Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc. it is vastly Asian streamers. Vincent’s servers are densely packed when playing Korean servers (compared to US servers or EU, “densely” is a humorous word choice here).

Japanese and Korean servers are very active and the twitch directory is vastly Asian at this time. Maybe at “peak times” the game isn’t mostly Asian but at this current time, where it is their afternoon/evening- yes; it is highly populated by Asian players.

Furthermore, in my 3000 hours played, and even when the game had 50k players and no marketplace, your best bet at selling BiS was to wait until what we called “Chinese hours” (I.e late night early AM EST) where the expensive items were moving and trading due to the Asian community wealth.

And, early in this season (which debuted with maybe the lowest numbers besides the semi wipes), player count would MASSIVELY spike between 2 AM and 5 AM which can be accredited to Asian players logging in for their evening.

You presented your argument like it was mind boggling that Asian players would amount to the majority of players online at their peak hours, whereas my argument stated that recently the “usual” player count IN dungeon would comfortably (or uncomfortably) sit at 3,000 players.

[soft rune]

u only get gear back from pve

[rancid marten]

also fuck unc raiders for the record that shits a snooze fest I can’t believe it’s as successful as it is so don’t get my points and dooming twisted, I truly want this game to be popping harder than ever

[turbid elbow]

DaD = a long-term decline with a few short-lived bumps, based on the player numbers unforch:(

[rancid marten]

Yeah it’s a wave that has progressively lost its amplitude

[hybrid sequoia]

it is successful, because it is a casual game with all the mainstream corporate game checkboxes ticked off which had great marketing

but yes, its not very exhilarating on the long rum, some of the most boring loot of any extraction looter I ever played and gear feels expendable and unimportant, because it is - you don't get stronger with gear, you just have more options to play with, HOWEVER their onboarding process and tutorial hook players up effectively, while sdf there doesn't think its important for a game to have proper onboarding

[turbid elbow]

we been asking sdf for a tutorial for 3 years; but he gave us PvE, maybe one day chief

[rancid marten]

Which I think is the thing that makes dark and darker shine above all else in my eyes. I truly loved how stupid broken gear and random rolls were back in 2023/early 2024. Getting good gear in DaD is exciting, and every pair of riveted gloves, for example, is different. In my mind that’s what makes loot enticing is knowing that the same item can be significantly different than its counterparts. If another extraction game could nail random rolled loot like this game we may have a contender but nobody can execute it correctly.

[wind juniper]

i think there's a general multiplayer game draught rn, especially with the biggest "heavy hitters" rn being yet another cod and battlefield title, not surprising that it's going as hard as it is

much like tarkov though, i too find it incredibly boring

[rancid marten]

Maybe not surprising but interesting to see a luke warm extraction game have the entire world’s attention right now. As others have mentioned though it makes sense why it got so big

[hybrid sequoia]

True, tho I don't know why gray gear even exists, we do not need that many gear tiers and gray tier seems to exist exclusively to justify existence of merchants, but merchant quests made their stock irrelevant

[rancid marten]

White would work fine as a starting rarity I think

[turbid elbow]

+3 all on everything was kinda dumb ngl, but yea, it was exciting finding a green pair of pants with +3 that replaced your epic

[hybrid sequoia]

luke warm extraction game, I like that term, I've talked to friends who bounced off of DaD who are enjoying Arc right now, and Arc really is a good "first girlfriend" kind of choice, where you learn basics about genre and once you're bored with it, you move on to something else, problem is, Arc is so well polished, it makes DaD look.... wooden and cumberstone in comparison

[rancid marten]

Dude watching back old clips to a ruby silver pair of pants that had +2 all, +3 weapon damage +3 true phys from a fighter my friend and I encountered in duos. I miss that level of insane

[hybrid sequoia]

I don't, that kind of gear diff will actively drive away all but most dedicated players, making sure sub 1000 players concurrency is a norm and not tragedy

[rancid marten]

I don’t know if I agree though because gear like that was when this game was in the golden age, people seemed to like that stuff but reddit crying overpowered the people actually playing the game

[wind juniper]

it wouldn't be so beneficial for the super dedicated if they removed a lot of dead rolls, which to their slightest credit they did do a little bit of, make it so casual players actually have an okay chance to find solid floor loot and not have pvp be so marketplace focused

[rancid marten]

But I may be misremembering or rose tinted glasses.

I played a few hours of tarkov and hated it back in 2020ish, then I got into DaD and even through the complication and struggling to find my first ever extraction I stuck with the game like it was crack.

I don’t know what they could do with gear rolls now but every kit I make is so insanely streamlined anymore. I know I’m capped at 1 true phys across most of my gear, 4 health on other parts, 5 ms on the boots. Although we have random gear and the rolls still make the gear desirable it just feels so disgustingly streamlined with marketplace and knowing how to make meta kits now. Back then we had trading post so good gear was rare to find and there was a few more desirable rolls on items with 1-3 values so it was genuinely more exciting and more “random”

[nocturne scarab]

Would need to turn squire lobbies loot up to reflect this
HR Proper would be a stomping grounds

[wind juniper]

eh i mean you still have a lot of variance with core necessary rolls, i just mean likeee, we don't need 2+ rolls for health/ms/pdr/mdr you can simplify without ruining the integrity of loot

[warm fable]

Artifact tournament?

[wind juniper]

maybe i'm wrong and everything is better with a flat number and a percentage but i think it overloads rolls and makes a LOT of shit just overly worthless, at least in dungeon, obviously gemming fixes this to a degree but with you being forced to gem the less desirable stats at a lesser effectiveness, it's kind of a bandaid to the problem

[rancid marten]

I agree, I’m just clouded by nostalgia I guess. Insane rolls from the old days leave me desiring more with the current kit creations.

[spiral quest]

gear score lobbies could fix some things imo

going into normals without knowing if someone is in bis blues or not while youre in squire, can be off putting for new people. i have tried to bring people into the game but they alwways quit because its too hard ( we run into bis blue teams every time)

[wind juniper]

unfortunately they don't care about making the new player experience any friendlier, there's no tutorial, there's no recommended playlist or discernable UI to indicate where a new player could go to have the best experience for themselves, everything has to be as hardcore and sloppy as 200% hs modifier

[molten iris]

where can i practice cave troll, pve lobby have like 5 hunter at the same time just come and kill b4 i get there

[quaint slate]

rush troll with druid in norm.

[vast karma]

I remember the devs saying something about make or break. I think its pretty aparent this season/how they have been dealing with the season hasn't made anything. The games population is wildly low. Still no word on HR rewards we neve3 know till the last week or so which is really dumb. Let us know what we are working for at the start of the season. Sad to say but idk how much longer the games gonna last like this. Each season it dips lower and lower

A good lesson not to squander what you have.

We use to get regular patches and half decent communciation.

[molten flume]

Im demigod and no ideia what my reward is 😄

Btw. I have no ideia why is so difficulty to fix the game following players feedback

[rancid marten]

Well said. Part of me is holding out on the last tank of copium that December 4th’s ruling will finally allow these developers to move on from the legal battle and work on the game properly.

[lime dome]

This chat used to be filled with positivity and excitement for the future of Dark but yeah Iron Mace has stabbed those people in the back too many times and now the game is toast

[outer aurora]

Please buff the artifact drop rate, feels like there is no point in killing boss anymore.

[finite cloak]

Would it be possible to make it that reds take you to each map so people don’t just leave if the get anything but crypt imagine you start in goblin caves take a red then end up in ice abbys then to inferno make it that the promise is always 3 floors no matter what u start on

I would also love to see a 2nd inferno

[errant isle]

You ever seen the anime Solo Leveling. Lol. Imagine the main characters reaction after killing the boss. Almost dying. And then he ends up getting absolutely dog trash gear. Lol. But every boss he killed gave quality materials and a really good weapon he used. If anything we ought to be rewarded with more in dark because we risk our time and lives bossing, and then potentially have to kill a few more players on the way out.

Id rather there be too much gear than none at all. Id go into HR way more if it actually meant getting or fighting against people with artifacts. Theres also like nobody playing so theres that too.

[errant isle]

Should they just remove the express man? Are you wanting a change to make it so people cant get out with good gear they find? Or you just want to play longer each round?

[outer aurora]

bro I killed 300 Bosses and got nothing this wipe

[errant isle]

Yeah that's absurd. We shouldn't have to rely on "luck". If you kill a boss, it should drop an artifact. At least every few times. Not every 50. Or based on rng. I dont think people would be mad if there were more artifact fights. Sure it could be too much. But we aren't there.

Or bosses should always drop unique level gear and weapons. Like 1 of each. And or an artifact

[outer aurora]

at least add a quest that rewards an artifact from each of the major craftsmen requiring Materials that drop much more commonly off Bosses than artifacts off the Bosses

add some sort of bad luck protection for the love of god

[finite cloak]

so people don’t just smack blue because they don’t like the map if they could get a taste of 3 maps there wouldn’t be so many dngs going as there are players

For me today oce there was like 2860 dngs and 3k people huh

[errant isle]

I liked that the other wipe had quests that gave artifacts. I actually quested. Also, why cant we craft artifacts? Make the materials rare, but not 1 in a million and let us craft the artifacts too, along with finding them. @hexed adder Thoughts? Please and thank you!

[outer aurora]

So far we have gotten 4 Chests and 2 Bags and we pull like 1/20 piles, 0 artifacts tho

[errant isle]

Ahh yeah. Some people want map rotations back too

[errant isle]

Unfortunately this is probably a result of no vision, no plan, and other flaws in the game.

[shrewd pollen]

If artifacts are to common you would have to nerf them tho and they would feel less spechial

[errant isle]

They were probably too common when there were 3 quests to get them. At least 1 quest line should give an artifact. But the person above said they killed 300 bosses and no artifacts. That doesnt seem right at all. And I bet almost all the gear that those bosses dropped was useless and left behind.

[shrewd pollen]

well that seems like really bad luck. Sadly just like with everything luck is still a huge factor. Sometimes you find a 5k gold legendary cloak in a random oak chest and sometimes you dont even get a troll pelt after killing him like 20 times

And sometimes you loose over 10 times in a row in a 50/50

[patent falcon]

Do you know of any data websites that collect resource data from Azur Lane?

[shrewd pollen]

uh? did you post on the wrong server scorpion this is the Dark and Darker one

[errant isle]

Remove luck all together honestly. If not a 50/50 chance of getting an artifact, let it be every few at least. Idk.

[shrewd pollen]

Or is Azur lane just a common topic on the server i missed?

[shrewd pollen]

Well the thing is then their not gona be as valubel anymore and have to be heavly nerfed. Like imagine like 4 pepole every lobby running around in a full unique bloodthrister kit with 330 ms speed kit with its current stats

[wanton juniper]

I was playing a few weeks ago and ended up losing 10k gold to a bug. I reported it in game first, at which point I was told to make a report here in the discord. I did that and since then it has been complete radio silence. -10k and +1 distrusting customer!

[patent falcon]

Underwater map

[errant isle]

How do they make it so bossing is actually rewarding? If you don't get an artifact then a unique every time? Or maybe give a boss material that you can trade in to a merchant for an item of your choice?

[shrewd pollen]

Well i personaly see bosses as quite rewarding they usualy get you a full inventory of high quality treasures and the chance for at least a unique are not that bad if you pull the pile open the chest and loot the boss from my experience i suck at most bossing and usualy just drag a long

If you do get 1 good artifact you are basicly set for your next 5 to 10 high quality kits as well if you dont want to run it

[waxen merlin]

I just came back to the game, i feel like loot has been extremely devalued, or am I wrong?

[errant isle]

I almost never see a boss drops any good gear. But maybe that just goes back to luck which sucks.

Yeah artifacts can be sold for a lot. I still think they are a tad bit too rare.

[shrewd pollen]

Loot in genral was buffed so lower quality stuff kinda went down in price and rolls matter alot more then just the rarity (thers still some crazy expensive stuff out there i pulled a radiant cloak out of a random chest that i sold for 4.5k at the start of the wipe)

[errant isle]

Hmmm. You can definitely find higher rarity items. I think it was buffed. For me though it all gets sold or vendored because none of it fits my builds usually

[shrewd pollen]

Yeah its sadly just luck in most cases also we are talking about HR bosses yes? After all technicly you could be the guy that gets 3 death blooms in a row or win the lottery

[patent falcon]

Do you know of any data websites that collect resource data for "Undersea Map"?

[errant isle]

Yeah hr bosses

[shrewd pollen]

Sadly not even the wiki dosent have the stuff updated yet

[waxen merlin]

I see.. Also, are exits more easy to find now? I feel like back in the day, I would rarely find one, but now it is usually next to my spawn room

[errant isle]

Im not sure what this game needs lol. It has infinite potential. But are the devs taking a hold of it.

[shrewd pollen]

maps are now "randomized" the modules that were static are now randomly cobbeld together (some are static or only have certiant spawns cause of rooms tho)

Also darn midnight stags drop sells for 10k to the collector

[crisp bobcat]

There is a court problem with the devs, long story, you can goggle it, theyre currently being through the law and shit with the big company.

[cedar perch]

Have this game died off completely or can one find servers still?

[scarlet stirrup]

So thats why there was no updates these 2 weeks

[quaint carbon]

BUFF PENGUIN OR GIVE RANGER WAR MAUL YOUR CHOICE

[prime vapor]

or hear me out give barb longbow

[covert kayak]

we had a good amount of players at start of wipe, then they made the stupid HR map rotations, then arc raiders came out then they doubled down on the map rotation with adding the water map to it. cant make this shit up.

literally EVERY time i get icecaves and go instant boat, i see people do exactly the same thing. if you get 2nd or even 3rd boat, there mostly isnt anyone left in the lobby. cause guess what, they all hate that map. gobbo is not that extreme, some people enjoy that, also you get more spots to pvp. but the goat is and will always be crypts.

[gritty ermine]

Map selection pls

[final monolith]

went on ironmace site and cant buy redstone shards, seems like the page isnt loading... is it just me? or do i need to purchase my redstones only from game(i clikc and nothing happens cuz of my adblock i think)

[steady raptor]

Can only buy within game, if steam you need to enable steam overlay.

[final monolith]

im on blacksmith but when i click buy nothing happens
i tried turning off my adblocked but didnt work

not sure i wanna buy the underwater lobby skin before its too late 🙁

[drifting scaffold]

Nope nvm sorry it's not there on the site. Maybe you do have to do it ingame>?

[final monolith]

it seems like you have to do it in game :/

also last time i made a ticket, ironmace just closed it straight up, not sure what its all about

RIP not sure why they wouldnt jsut sell it on their website

[gaunt oracle]

counterpoint: while I agree ice map is cancer (I also take the first and closest raft), I feel like I get ruins so often its starting to feel like ice map. Top level dungeon loot, only like 5 worthwhile POIs which are probably clear before you load in... if you're not hyped on crypts/inferno you're going to have a bad time. I treat ruins like ice map now because over half of my HR queues take me there even tho its only 1 of 4 maps. Just make the maps rotate in 2s every 5-10min and let us select one of them. I'd rather wait 10 min and get water map 100% of the time than roll the dice on it for 4 hours

[hexed salmon]

I hate that lizard vtuber that always comes up on youtube !! I just want to watch dark and darker not a lizard !!!

[quaint carbon]

you talking about @formal dome ?

[hexed salmon]

Yes !!

[misty ridge]

I like lizards 🦎

[sudden hatch]

i like him hes silly

[sudden hatch]

oh me too i got a bearded dragon a while ago its awesome i love my reptiles

[misty ridge]

My friend's sister had one way back when. I remembered being baffled by it when visiting

[sudden hatch]

i love it absolutely awesome creature

[molten iris]

my game keep lagging, 60 fps and down. Normally run at 120fps, i checked the pc and cpu is highloaded( about 75%). Whats problem

[polar phoenix]

game is unoptimized cash grab

[sudden hatch]

i mean i wouldnt call it a cashgrab

[west fossil]

its sad to see a 2k player count

[rancid marten]

The dark grows darker…

[drifting scaffold]

4342 in dungeon 3703 in lobby

[misty ridge]

cashgrabs are not usually three-year endeavors that receive content updates lol

[sudden hatch]

yeah that's what i'm saying

[ember snow]

why?

[late bolt]

whats up with all the constant crashes now

kill 🇨🇳 goldfarmers in gc that are blatantly wallhacking and crash right after... mm rly makes me think

[scenic dawn]

yeah idk does sparky have @utism sounds like somethings up

[gaunt oracle]

I haven't had my game crash like that all season. I HAVE experienced alot of disconnects from the lobby/marketplace/gathering hall/post-match lately though

[late bolt]

never crashed in the past just this season i randomly crash mid game REALLY annoying. im using blacksmith btw

[gaunt oracle]

im also on blacksmith. I havent tried my steam accts this season
might be something up w/ blacksmith

[drifting scaffold]

oh shit they're doing a guild wars anniversary

[sudden hatch]

does he ?? i thought it was just the petester ..

but even if he does who gaf hes still cracked on fighter

[frank berry]

Can someone inv me to the collectors guild disc plz

[sudden hatch]

gotcha

[pure onyx]

Is it worth to grind arena? Does it had good rewards? Or just farm rating for ego?

[severe skiff]

Just ego farming. And youll hit a brick wall every time before you get to the ranks with good rewards. The mmr gain/loss is super messed up. Either go on an insane hot streak or get hard stuck

[celest grove]

It's just for pvp and flexing

[slate hawk]

Farm rating for ego.
I think it's enjoyable to PvP with no risk of gear fear, let's you try out build.
Also allows more PvP per time spent in game, useful to learn how to block or dodge attack patterns per weapon

[outer aurora]

Anyone know what the Stingray egg drop rate is?

[pure onyx]

But you don’t have some rewards system like in hr ?

[slate hawk]

Arena rewards have been asked for a few season, but right now the only reward is the rank icon on your character's nameplate.

[covert kayak]

yesterday it was at like 2,5 k in dungeon shit is more empty than my bank account

[severe skiff]

@slate hawk are they addressing the spawn issues? Spawning in the same spot where someone else had spawned 2 minutes prior? Id just like to hear its a noted issue or if its acceptable

[bleak fern]

what should i build on druid rn

[covert kayak]

another option exists --> having fun.

[slate hawk]

The other day I spawned as Bard, in ruins. I hadn't even finished my five songs buffs that a sorc had blasted the door next to me. Died within a minute of entering the game. Real sad.

[bleak fern]

what should i build on druid rn guys!!!

[celest grove]

#druid

[covert kayak]

you gotta add more info, you wanna build for panther or bear?

[severe skiff]

Well its more of i spawn in and clear a room or 2 and then another guy spawns where i did. So he just follows the path and gets to run around with no pve threat and gets an easy flank. Maddening.

[pure onyx]

I have fun in S2R, arena mode is good competitive mode where should be good rewards to have motivation to play

[bleak fern]

what do you think is the best cuz idk which one is better rn i havent played druid in a while

[covert kayak]

i feel like rewards will push up the toxicity even more than it already is. im getting called all kind of slurs and insults when i just wanna load in and have a good time with some pvp enjoyers. but those guys already act like the life of their firstborn is on the line.

[covert kayak]

nobody did, me included, but on stream at least i saw more bear druids, in which case you gotta build strength, actionspeed and max hp .. but on the other hand, i am not a very good druid player so dont take my word for it

[pure onyx]

Like in every session game with rating 😂 that how things working

[slate hawk]

What would be a "good reward" for arena, in your opinion?

[covert kayak]

yeah i guess it is, just sad to see. but yeah i agree that at least, there would be a goal instead of aimlessly bashing in heads. i guess embrace toxicity and get rewarded for it 😄

[celest grove]

Badges to place on ur profile after season ends
Apex style

[outer aurora]

Now I'm the 200th Boost

[celest grove]

Do u even get anything for boosting?

[covert kayak]

badges, custom weapon styles maybe, or just the normal rewards (bags, emotes, quality meds...)

[outer aurora]

People are more likely to answer my questions

[celest grove]

Lmfao

[spice sentinel]

is there a big DnD comeback incoming?

[drifting scaffold]

damn the karma screen is completely bugged now

[woven widget]

golden pickaxe skin
over a year since achievements and we still dont have achievement rewards as they promised

[pulsar cobalt]

is it down? i cant search

[scenic dawn]

why not make golden pickaxe just another pointless craft

[woven widget]

Because I want skins

give me a shield skin after getting 50 kills on crypts, a lantern for ice caves etc
stag lantern for killing the stag, cape skin for getting a muffin

[slate hawk]

Delicious pear, muffin and midnight stag achievement cosmetics when?

[weak shale]

I really hope so i just got into the gsme this season and ive loved every second of it

Even just last night i think i died like 20 times in a row and no extract because i was trying to get kills with the flutes riposte. Still had fun

[covert kayak]

thats the spirit!

[woven widget]

any cosmetics when, when are we getting lumbering achievements? we got more pickaxe ones this wipe why not new lumber ones? GIVE MY BARB, DOUGLAS FIR TREE A JOB

[covert kayak]

but in 1 year you will be as miserable as the rest of us and curse IM for their decisionmaking 😄

[weak shale]

Ill die on the hill

[covert kayak]

you'll die to a naked barb after they changed axe specialization for the 76th time to +20, or to to a chicken because they forgot to adjust chicken peck damage, or to rubberband incident that puts you between 3 nightmare mummies... so much great stories gathered of the years

[drifting scaffold]

if there's one thing dark and darker players know how to do it's exaggerate

[spark vault]

A trophy that can be displayed in your lobby background.

[slate hawk]

Yeah! A trophy rack for lobby is nice however it's hard to showcase to others, due to how I think lobby skins work.
The idea is great tho. Perhaps for when (if) we get player-houses

[spark vault]

Ye even if its the same trophy 🏆 every season (not too much work for the Devs) that when hovered over shows all details of previous seasons. Also Any other achievements of choice should be able to be displayed in the lobby background 🏆

[lavish mantle]

No.

Never.

[final monolith]

nothing pops up from when i click ''buy'' in the shop for redstones... im on blacksmith... anybody knows a fix?

[covert kayak]

in dota there was (or still is, i dont know) a community tournament format, and if you won one of those tourneys you got a little 🏆 next to your name. and every month, if you win another tourney you get another, till you lose one. one time i had like 5, it was "thelegend27 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆 " shit was scary for the enemy players 😄

[covert kayak]

it should open a browser window with the dark and darker website. unfortunately all real money transaction still only works via the website and not ingame as far as i know

[final monolith]

but the browswer window doesnt open, via the website there is nothing

nobody knows lk too bad for ironmace i guess i wont spend the 20bucks on that lobby skin

[woven widget]

so, when ironmace makes their next game, what do you think theyre gonna take as a lesson from dark and darker?

[fair lintel]

I dont see them making another game, this one will run for many years to come imo

[wet copper]

Next game? We giving them another chance after TS? The lesson they’re taking from dark and darker is that it’s easy to string customers along for years with platitudes and vague promises of content that will never come.

[fair lintel]

you must be waiting for the quiver lol

[civic crown]

is there a maxhp cap?

[wet copper]

Quiver never coming.

[broken escarp]

Why is there all green loot at the top of pirate prison on the water map in HR? smh my head

[drifting scaffold]

10 years of dark and darker

[forest garnet]

Can a mod please mute this guy for spamming?

[wet copper]

Is true damage, invis and circle still in game? If so game is slop trash.

[drifting scaffold]

keep coping

[forest garnet]

me if my name was "greasy"

[broken escarp]

So you don't play but you come here to complain about the game 🤓

[wet copper]

I don’t play anymore, no. But I purchased the right to complain. My bad for thinking they were making a pvpve dungeon crawler I guess

[drifting scaffold]

holding out hope for a fan game lmao

[wet copper]

Holding out hope? No. It’s interesting to watch someone with no game dev experience outflank ironmace though.

[forest garnet]

literally me if i was greasy

[wet copper]

MFs when it’s the only game in town - “it’s the greatest game in town!”

[drifting scaffold]

outflank 🤣 🤣 🤣 hahahahahahah

coughing baby vs atomic bomb

[wet copper]

Look man. Even with the rudimentary stuff they have, you can rotate items in the inventory.

[drifting scaffold]

yea really great work. let me know when they've got some more models rigged up

meanwhile like +5 true damage over a whole kit got you acting up 😭 😭

[daring mortar]

JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THE DEVS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THIS GAME AND YOU WILL BE BANNED BY A WARDEN IF YOU TRY AND SAY ANYTHING!!! TRASH DEVS/WARDENS!!!!!

[rancid bane]

If he was spamming, it is allowed in the tavern 😄

[daring mortar]

CRAZY HOW FAST IM ABLE TO FIND MY CHATS FROM YESTERDAY!! THEIR WAS 80K PLAYERS UNTIL SDF RUINED THIS GAME

[rancid bane]

The game isn't at it's best and can improve alot, we don't ban for opinions chief xD

[broken escarp]

Thank you Dave, you should change your name to GreatGuyDave

[wet copper]

If the problems with DaD were just 5 true damage lol.

[misty ridge]

I'm trash, I'm just not approved trash.

[forest garnet]

I'm prada, you're nada

[wet copper]

I’m cool guy, you’re fool guy.

[rancid bane]

🔥

[daring mortar]

you did not but it has happened multiple times by other wardens, i dont mind you, youve been cool but the pool of wardens are terrible, they suck off sdf hard

[misty ridge]

Dave is a Tavern Master. If you ever feel like you were punished unfairly, you could message him about it

[wet copper]

Punish me fairly please warden.

[rancid bane]

If the rules are broken, then we look into it, there isn't really any bias, honestly and if you could contact me (DM) and we can also look into any thing that is of concern

[rancid bane]

👁️_👁️

[misty ridge]

[daring mortar]

he found old post to ban me after i flamed him in an argument so it wont go anywere, he banned me after that msg i tagged.

[drifting scaffold]

i honestly cant tell who ur talking to

[wet copper]

You got banned? Strange because I can still see you.

[broken escarp]

🥀

[daring mortar]

replace the wolf with a pig and itll be more realistic

[desert barn]

Question: how does undead dmg reduction work with pdr? for example, if I have 50% PDR and 40% Undead DR.
a) 50% of the dmg is reduced and the result of that dmg is reduced by 40%
b) 40% of the dmg is reduced and the result of that dmg is reduced by 50%
c) the resistances are 50% plus 40% to result in 90% dmg reduced

[misty ridge]

I believe it's c, but I don't know

[daring mortar]

for about 4 hours yeah...

[misty ridge]

I've seen a video where somebody built a PDR/UDDR build and they took very little damage

[wet copper]

Oh, so it’s not really a big deal. That’s a suspension my dude.

[misty ridge]

Like 3 damage from Warlord, so I think it's c

[rancid bane]

Could you pop in my direct messages please, i'm gonna need more information 🙂

[desert barn]

I was asking bc I have 48.1% UDDR and 53.1% PDR and I still take dmg

[drifting scaffold]

seems multiplicative with PDR not additive

[misty ridge]

There may be a cap to the amount of damage you can reduce in total

[drifting scaffold]

https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Damage#Damage_Formula "Race Damage Reduction"

[desert barn]

oh, ok, didn't saw it in the wiki, thanks!

[drifting scaffold]

cheers 🍻

[agile laurel]

cheers stoners

[daring mortar]

its a big deal if a new player comes in here and says something and off rip gets banned over an opinion, id drop the game if i were him and we cant have that bc the player count is already low...

[proven cobalt]

deadest I've ever seen this chat

[little breach]

prolly a or b tbh, if c would be the case u could just built a 100 percent reduction which is impossible ofc. and if there a cap then it doesnt really make sense cause warlocks perk is kind of useless then

plus race reduction works for both phys and mag

[fair lintel]

this is crazy, just pick up a piece of metal and swing it at things lol

[rancid bane]

🫂 💖

[drifting scaffold]

do you believe the HL3 hype gang

[iron bough]

this discord still alive

[trail edge]

BARELY LOL

[iron bough]

yo keep playing your 3k players game

[trail edge]

i quit this game, but i promise whatever it is youre doing is not any more important at all lol

pronouns are "unit" and anime pfp

[sudden hatch]

i think its got a bit more than that yah

[broken pagoda]

It has less than that 😭

[polar phoenix]

6k players 19 ques qnd half of them are not in dungeon. its almost like actively doing things you know will make people leave was a bad idea. who knew

pretty safe to say iron mace did this one to themselves. now theyre almost out of second chances

[drifting scaffold]

who r u talking to

[gritty ermine]

Map selection pls

[modest echo]

@vale oar patch this week or nah

[humble blaze]

people has been saying the game is dying for like 3 seasons

[cunning ore]

It is dying. It is dead.

[vivid peak]

Agreed, this game is cannibalizing itself. They keep making poor design choices and then when player counts drop claim they can't change it due to low population. If it had map select in the beginning we may not see the decline in the first place.

[cunning ore]

"It isn't because of map select"; "Its a player issue"; "Its normal due to end of season"; "Water map is fine"; "This is plenty of players"; "There isnt evidence to this"

There, just putting it ahead of someone else for meme purposes.

[final monolith]

does anyone know how to fix the bug where nothing pops up when i click Buy in the in game shop for redstone shards?

[turbid elbow]

get on steam

[vivid peak]

Exactly ^^ they are in denial. No. 1 complaint rn is lack of incentive to enter HR for a number of reasons which forces people to norms potentially ruining others' experience.

[final monolith]

is there no downside to going on steam?

[turbid elbow]

nop, just W, steam>bs

[final monolith]

as long as it doesnt reset my hours

[turbid elbow]

there was a way to migrate blacksmith to steam, idk how to achieve that at the current time tho

[final monolith]

rip

[turbid elbow]

ye, searched abit, there have been two periods where they had the migration process available. at the current time there is no way to achieve this yourself, you might need to submit a ticket maybe they can help from their end

[molten flume]

REMOVE RANDOM MAPS AND STP CIRCLE

[azure wadi]

Can you bring golden keys out of the dungeon, its been awhile since i played. i found one in pve and i left and it vanished 😩

[slate hawk]

No, but the keys are more common now, to compensate.

[cunning ore]

That - was actually - a good change, just so they don't say I'm always against the design decisions.

[molten flume]

Would be a nice change if we dont have circle

[cunning ore]

A nicer change, yes. I agree.

[drifting scaffold]

why would circle stop you from using a key? just heal through

[cunning ore]

Why the circle for then?

[drifting scaffold]

to make it go faster and push people together

[final monolith]

sometimes it does fr, if u spawn bot left and its top right and zone is already closing on bot left cuz ur late u cant get there
but it doesnt really matter

[vivid peak]

Prevents bossing in alot of situations. Water map every time.

[molten flume]

Oh, maybe because i took 4-5 minutes to kill a boss (if i kill it fast as sonic) and them i cant use it on same map cause the circle already ATE THE WHOLE MODULES?

[cunning ore]

But there's a million ways to push people together without annoying map closure, and one of them, is like that, by giving people multiple objectives inside the dungeon. Eventually people will cross-paths.

If you reward people for creating traffic within the dungeon, fighting is inevitable.

[drifting scaffold]

but you bossed already the key is the easy part

[cunning ore]

But forcing the player where to go, that's just annoying. Let players decide where they want to go and what they want to do.

[vale oar]

Most likely

[molten flume]

Key isnt even a thing if have a stp circle eating the module it a need to go 🙂

[drifting scaffold]

eating the module? you can walk through the circle storm...

[molten flume]

Sweet, fantastic

[cunning ore]

Exactly, so what's the point of even having a circle.

[molten flume]

Frustates HR players with this BR mechanic and make normal players asking why so many "tryhards" on GC normal

[drifting scaffold]

yea the BR mechanic to push the players in good gear together idk it's not rocket science

[molten flume]

The only thing at hr, atm, that can be worst than circle is random maps. But idk, i really think both r badly in same

[drifting scaffold]

there's better solutions than the circle but if you don't push ppl together they just solo farm their little corner and extract with zero risk

[molten flume]

The only problem is: The place that circle put those players together is on normal GC hehehe

[cunning ore]

But, why do you need to push them together? What's the point, the dungeon isn't that large, people will go to objectives and will meet, this was never an issue before the circle existed. This is a made up problem in SDF's head only, not the players feedback reflection.

[drifting scaffold]

but normals has a cap on it lol they can only take in blue and earn up to legendary

[vivid peak]

Agreed

[molten flume]

For ppl who is learning the game, it really matter?

[drifting scaffold]

ppl learn the game in pve mode and squires tho

[molten flume]

Solution is simple for both: Bring back brackets and remove stp hr circle

PVE modes isnt for learning, do you know a single person who learned a thing there? Cause i dont

[cunning ore]

PVE shouldn't even be part of the game, at all.

[drifting scaffold]

what? somebody who's never played before should definitely start in the modes where gear doesn't matter at all

[molten flume]

Gear should matter in pve, this is why gear is so badly desing in this game

why do u think majory of ppl plays naked on hr?

[cunning ore]

If you want to have a PVE mode, then make it a simulation where you earn nothing from playing it, if its for learning purposes, and I will guarantee you that noone will touch it.

They just go there because its risk-free - which contradicts the whole purpose of the game and divides the almost nonexistant playerbase even more.

Game should be, you are rewarded for surviving, you are rewarded for escaping.

Not, you are rewarded, for existing.

But whatever, who am I to judge.

[molten flume]

If i can farm naked, why should i wear expensive itens? Non sense "to no die to players who wears it." So, if i die to one expensive dude what i lost?

See, gear need a rework.

BTW. Scks play hr atm with so many BR mechanics

[drifting scaffold]

i mean that's the whole reason why loot is so heavily nerfed in pve. it's basically zero risk and low reward

[drifting scaffold]

that makes no sense lol. if you're going naked into HR you're never going to beat someone in gear. Normal is different, the gear gap isn't so large and you can actually beat someone

[cunning ore]

Yeah but its still worth it enough to farm gold and inflate the market even more at no risk at all, once you open that door, its just a matter of time until a flood happens.

Even if its low drops, it will eventually depreciate all other items in the game.

[molten flume]

Why should i care about to "beat someone in gear" if i can farm nameds naked?

[drifting scaffold]

if you can reliably farm artifacts naked, more power to you, but someone will eventually notice and start farming you instead

[drifting scaffold]

i don't totally disagree, but the progression of a new player is to gain comfort in pve mode, take gear into pvp mode, and get more gear as they move up. we could debate all day whether that's really effective or not

[molten flume]

No dude, arty farm naked is easy cheese after u learn boss mechanics, no one is "farming me". One time or other a die to a player.

Not my fault that gear is broken xD

Gears need rework, bossing needs gear to be beating SPEC in hr

[cunning ore]

If, I, was the one who would design this, it would be very simple. High roller is high stakes.

You want to go naked, you pay a hefty entrance fee, the more gear you bring, the more cheaper the ante becomes - basically, you bring value to the table. By default everyone is already much more balanced in terms of gear difference.

[exotic gorge]

They need a gear score cap again like they had before

I don't think the "gear" is broken it's the ability to enter without gear is the problem

[cunning ore]

The High Roller ante is too low, to justify not going naked. 100g is a random chest in PVE mode.

[drifting scaffold]

i have no idea how these two things correlate in your head. if you're on a dead server farming artifacts in solo HR naked, you're just running the risk of dying to the first player you see

[exotic gorge]

They could up the rate of legendary items

But it's still kinda high anyway

[drifting scaffold]

oh i like this actually. you "pay down" the ante by risking more gear

[gritty ermine]

Map selection or ggs

[exotic gorge]

I agree this is a good way of doing things but i personally believe if you don't have gear to go in with you shouldn't be a allowed to go in

[molten flume]

Dude, gear should be needed for map activities not only for pvp. So ppl will start to bring gear. Do you really think "naked farm" is rare? xD

Im just getting boring to no use gear cause i dont need it

[cunning ore]

And, if they wanted to make it more "balanced maps" & still keep map selection, then, the more a map is played, the cheaper the ante also is in underplayed dungeons. We even have this in local bars where, they have 20 beer brands, and the less consumed beer becomes cheaper and the more consumed one is higher in cost, so the price is Live to the amount of demand.

[drifting scaffold]

the speed at which you clear the map in HR with zero gear on vs having good gear on is massive. i have no idea why you're trying to say it's not

[molten flume]

Yeah, i can beat some bosses 3 or 4 minutes faster when i wear gear. Still dont pay the risk for me

[exotic gorge]

Agreed but I'm confused he is arguing the fact you can clear and boss or? Like if ur good enough not to get hit then you shouldn't?

[drifting scaffold]

yeah he's saying gear doesn't matter because he's capable of farming bosses in squire

[exotic gorge]

That seems like irrelevant and not a problem

[gritty ermine]

Map selection pls

[drifting scaffold]

it's like in a vaccuum tho, you won't be able to get away with that on US East lmao

[molten flume]

Im saying that i dont need gear to play. Myself (in my case) dont care about pvp, so i just go squire and farm everything in HR (even arties from bosses), i dont care to die one time or other from a player.

And its no just me (ofc not) So im tryint to say the gear needs a reword, gear needs to be necessary for map activities, not only for pvp (srry for my bad english, isnt my main language)

[drifting scaffold]

but don't you see how that's flawed? just because you don't pvp in gear means the whole thing should be reworked (for like the 5th time)

[molten flume]

No my dude, gears need reworkd because every single boss in this pvpVE game can be soloed without it

[drifting scaffold]

but YOU can solo them, you're in the minority of players

[exotic gorge]

I see where ur coming from I don't know how anyone would come around to making that happen maybe more more attacks from bosses that arent able to be dodged? I personally think the gear doesn't need a rework but I think the entry system does where you can't entry in squire and have to reach a certain gear score the problem is with that people can just put weapons in their inventory

[molten flume]

ppl who play HR is minories at the start...

[drifting scaffold]

it's not like farming artifacts in squire is sustainable

[molten flume]

Ofc it is xD. Do you really think this is rare?

[brazen mortar]

Guess I’ll just start 3rd partying HR bosses

[median beacon]

If ur farming artis in squire ur just getting lucky or playing the system by playing on insanely dead servers

[molten flume]

Yeah, that can also work =D. I mean, a entire bracket system would be good

[median beacon]

I will never lose a fight to someone in squire gear in HR

[molten flume]

thats the point, someone in squire gear, who is farming and know what is doing never will fight you first place xD

[drifting scaffold]

but you just said you're farming artifacts in squire

[median beacon]

How can you avoid a fight if you are fighting the boss? Literally allows anyone and everyone to camp the boss
Room or somehow grief you and if you have no gear you are at the mercy of other players

[molten flume]

But anyways. before a gear rework ill enjoy the circle removal. Hope

[brazen mortar]

must be a BR Server thing

[small gate]

Noobs dead to PVE blame it on the devs

[timber orbit]

there’s nothing in this that isn’t a straight fact. player interaction truly is all but removed from the dungeon and it’s sucked a lot of variability and fun out as of late

[solemn coral]

is there only 1 dreadspine spawn?

[turbid elbow]

tAlEnT sYsTeM uNdEr dEvElOpMeNt

[worthy shuttle]

i know what can fix the game, remove random modifiers again

[slate hawk]

Two, I think.
Blood Prison and Infernal throne

[solemn coral]

ty

[wind juniper]

in like 10 minutes depending on the class, and i’m sure after a decent bit of practice, you’re speaking like this is a common thing for people to do

[median beacon]

Killing bosses is less of a gear thing and more of a “I know how to not get hit by this boss”

[wind juniper]

gear only exists in this case to speed it up

[neat mesa]

and a possible 3rd in that one square arena module thing

[marsh lynx]

Is there one player base for epic/steam and for blacksmith launcher ? or are they all seperate

[spark vault]

Haha nice, dota is actually the only other game I play, just finished a game now

[slate hawk]

All combined, I think

[ember snow]

STUPID GAME KEEP STUTTER

[gritty ermine]

MAP SELECTION PLS

[blazing surge]

when are we completly removing continous dungeon,nerfing zone and giving queues to high roller back so we can have 30k players instead of 8k ?

[blazing surge]

dark souls- very hard game-has gear- can kill every boss while being full naked-with starter weapon

[mighty sparrow]

Every night I dream of stingrays. Every day I spend two hours trying to get the water map. Every day I rat in the corner of ruins waiting for an extract. I've defeated the ancient stingray over 60 times in high roller. His spear, his warmaul, and most of all, his eggs, elude me.

Do I need to sell my soul to @vale oar, lord of bananas to get one drop? Do I need to milk the stingray before slaying it? Please help.

[molten iris]

i saw a guys in pve lobby, bring 2 artifact and an inventory full of unique gem, whats he try to do

[wind juniper]

milking it certainly sounds like a solid strat

[keen briar]

different day, same yap

[late bolt]

make rags to riches a real roguelite mode with 5 maps in a row. its unironically fun cus ppl actually fight u in rags to riches lmao

[wind juniper]

s2r, start squire, actually get gear instead of rushing bridge to get decapitated by the nearest barb, go 2nd floor, it’s HR, boss with your mustered up kits, pull an artifact, cinema

[late bolt]

its just sad everyoen so scared ot lose their pixels in hr

[slow ivy]

"PvE ruined the community interaction." <----This, fucking hilarious. lol And from the most toxic pvp community on the net. Not enough people for you to kill? That's 100% a pvp problem in regards to this game. PvP has, since day one, been a slow swirling whirl pool of shit, made so by the players, and constantly getting worse over the years. PvE was brought on because people grew tired of the epically toxic bullshit that is the PvP community in this game, and IM needed to pump their player numbers. It brought more players to the game. And ya, they don't want to get their boots covered in PvP shit from this community so they don't play it. That's not on them, that's on the PvP community. This game would have twice the player base if players could PvE in actual dungeons, instead of ones with bastardized loot tables.

[molten flume]

Dark souls- a game with certain isnt an EXTRACTION rpg

[spark vault]

No

[wind juniper]

most toxic pvp community on the internet is a laughable stretch

[hazy knot]

@slow ivy pve did ruin it lol. saying the pvp community is toxic for pvping in a pvpve game is comical. giving a place for people to loot without any risk and sell in the same economy is ass backwards

[blazing surge]

so what lil bro

[slow ivy]

How other people choose to play the game shouldn't effect you. But it does....that's what makes the PvP crowd so toxic.

Just look around..."They should put gates on the down portals, players shoudln't be allowed to just escape like that."...this, is your PvP community. lol

[dreamy vine]

dungeon stalkers there if youre in atronarchs with HUGE asses

[blazing surge]

all they need to do it put cage doors on reds and u should be able to open them with lock picks for 15 seconds

[wind juniper]

you can’t call the players toxic because of flawed design decisions what?

[molten flume]

Dark souls is a complete different game genre.

Even compare pubg is closer to realitty cause we have BR mechanics on hr

[blazing surge]

so what lil bro

[slate hawk]

let's stay respectful, folks 🙂

[molten flume]

Thats it. Bigbro

[wind juniper]

it’s not even about just wanting to crazily murder people lol it’s just ridiculous that there are random holes in the wall for people to disappear into in a “hardcore extraction” game

[slow ivy]

And then...you manufacture some outrage over how Joe_Blow got a piece of gear risk free in the PvE map. Sooo...would you say that that particular "risk" is more, or less than buying that piece of gear from the Market??

[blazing surge]

ok lil bro

[dreamy vine]

you are long tan and handsome

[wind juniper]

unreal that killing players in a game where pvp is a major focus is being called toxic you can’t make this shit up

[hazy knot]

if you cant see how farming gear with no risk doesnt ruin the core function of the game its hopeless

[wind juniper]

this guy wants to farm pve for artifacts

[median beacon]

I can promise that outside of stingray egg spawns the gold farming in pve is not a big deal

[spark vault]

I think most of the players farming gear in pve are useless with gear on anyway. Pve is the most boring thing imaginable. I'm not completely against it though, it's helpful for learning bosses. Maybe it needs a rework, like less drops

[slow ivy]

if you cant see how buying gear at the market with no risk doesnt ruin the core function of the game its hopeless <---fixed that for ya.

[median beacon]

Free farming of gold is legit impossible to mitigate. People will just play on the most dead server to have the best chance of survival. Arguably better to do that in HR than any game of pve

[fresh flare]

Tbh at this point this game is just a graveyard for chinese RMTers to make a living

[slow ivy]

Right!!! So why worry about them?? lol

[wind juniper]

cause good gear is generally very expensive..? and it takes more than a squire kit to get that

[median beacon]

I know for a fact that sdf sends teamers on me to take my gear and sell it on g2a

[slow ivy]

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about RISK, not how expensive your new boots are.

[fallen crypt]

that game is such slop but the goon enemies kinda hilarious

[wind juniper]

okay, guess we shouldn’t bring up the market then? thoughts?

[spark vault]

I don't....

[fallen crypt]

Goon and Gooner

[slow ivy]

You do you. I just don't like when hypocrits claim PvE to be zero risk, but never seem to want to mention the Market place in that discussion.

[dreamy vine]

bigger hips = bigger hitpoints

[molten flume]

What market place is being with risks?

[wind juniper]

moral of the story, lower the price of stingray egg i’m tired of farming an empty nest

[spark vault]

Just increase the drop rate and price will drop

[worthy shuttle]

let us pick hr maps

[mighty sparrow]

Devs need to add more male stingrays, maybe shes a lil lonely

[wind juniper]

stingray mating season must be over 🥀

[graceful wyvern]

make stingray pregnant again

[slate hawk]

🪡 🦈 🥚 🥺

[worthy shuttle]

why do i get maelstorm again make it make sense

[slow ivy]

I'm hoping that map timer thing gets updated. Life was good then.

[drifting scaffold]

it genuinely was one of the worst wipes, used to sit in queue for 7 minutes to find a single game

[worthy shuttle]

its better than getting on a shit map 50% of the time and wasting ur time waiting for extract or dying cus ur class is useless on the map

[mighty sparrow]

I for one love getting a gear set made specifically to fight stingray that sucks in actual PvP and having less than a 1 in 4 chance to actually get the map I want, forcing me to sit in a corner waiting for an extract. And then repeating that over and over till I get lucky enough to get my map

[worthy shuttle]

just let people play what they want, why do you let normals pick and choose? same logic, it doesnt make hr harder to have random maps that literally cripple half of the roster in the game

[drifting scaffold]

??? you built a whole kit for a 1/4 chance (even less) ???

[limber bridge]

WHY DOES RIGHT CLICK SUDDENLY DROP ITEMS INSTEAD OF PUT INTO SLOTS ?????? RANDOMLY

[drifting scaffold]

holy dramatic... cripple half the roster is such an exaggeration

[mighty sparrow]

Because I want to farm stingray, and you need more MDR than whats normal for a pvp kit

[graceful wyvern]

it doesnt make hr harder to have random maps that literally cripple half of the roster in the game

it does make it harder, it makes it much harder. but that isn't necessarily a good thing even if we want it to be the game's "hard mode"

[simple aspen]

tap shift I think

[drifting scaffold]

you don't NEED it generally to fight, YOU need it to fight it. there's a huge difference

[mighty sparrow]

Are you just here to defend a shit system for reasons unknown?

[drifting scaffold]

no I literally only said I hated map rotation

[simple aspen]

bro is gonna hate it when they make the maps rotate based on season

[drifting scaffold]

honestly that'll be great. i've been wishing for that for a long time. get ice caves out of here until they're ready to revamp it

[graceful wyvern]

a litany of bad options:

• empty lobbies
• map rotation
• random maps
• continuous dungeon

i think the best of the worst is choose map with no continuous dungeon, with a minimum playercount of like 4 and max wait time of 5 minutes

[gritty ermine]

ADD MAP SELECTION

[mighty sparrow]

If you hate it so much, why is having a timer people can see and WAIT for their map worse? Thats what you're arguing against. Its literally taken me an hour an a half to get my map before. Thats not good design

[simple aspen]

wym they did revamp it

[drifting scaffold]

those are incongruent things tho. with no continuous the min playercount of 4 and max wait time of 5 is impossible

[drifting scaffold]

what? because I played map rotation, nobody would play 2/4 of the maps. you used to wait at least 6 minutes for the map that ppl "like" to pop up

you were lucky to even get goblin caves, you'd just sit in queue while it rotates through until crypts

[mighty sparrow]

You realize people literally extract as soon as possible on frost and maelstrom right now, right? How can you not see the benefits of waiting for your map lol

[drifting scaffold]

yeah that's weakness lmao

[graceful wyvern]

i think sdf or graysun mentioned that they had some kind of hybrid approach to filling queues. I dont remember the details

but the point is if you have to wait up to 5 minutes to queue 4, or otherwise go into what is ultimately an empty lobby i am ok with that. maybe we give people the option to require lobbies where there are people

[simple aspen]

same guy who said he doesn't want to play ice cave until they make it easier

[graceful wyvern]

i dont think it's weakness to just not want to play certain content

[drifting scaffold]

it genuinely is, especially talking about the most difficult mode in the game

[mighty sparrow]

When a significant portion of your playerbase doesn't want to play on half of your maps, thats not a player issue. Devs need to revamp it. There is literally no point to playing maelstrom outside of stingray. Frost wyvern sucks. Middle pile isn't worth going to

[graceful wyvern]

no it's not, if you don't enjoy swimming around checking stuff for loot why would you stay in the map?

[drifting scaffold]

i can't take anyone seriously when their argument is along the lines of "i don't want to engage with content" it's just as bad as people who screech about arena being wasted dev time

[mighty sparrow]

you really dont see the problem of being forced to play a mode you dont want to play?

[drifting scaffold]

idk not even trying to learn a new map is kind of weak to me when you're trying to play the hardest mode and engage with the hardest content

[graceful wyvern]

that'd be fine if the map wasn't untested and bad

[warm fable]

patch this week?

[drifting scaffold]

when squire to riches players are adapting better to water map than HR players idk something's wrong

[mighty sparrow]

Its not weak when half the classes dont function on the new map, water combat is ass, getting from water -> land is buggy as hell and the loot generally sucks

[nocturne scarab]

new map is baller
circle on it is shit
wtb map select
bored of crypts ice and gc
just wanna face roll on new map now

[frozen vector]

/w @nocturne scarab hi

[nocturne scarab]

🫲 👁️ 👄👁️ 🫱

[graceful wyvern]

devs: hr is our hard mode, people should enjoy the challenge
players: i want to minmax ap and boss farm

there's the disconnect

[vast canopy]

Does spectral knight drop skull key in HR

[mighty sparrow]

If you go in with a set worth money, frost caves and maelstrom offers very little for these teams to do. You could do bladehand, but he drops the worst artifacts. You could do stingray - you need someone with a specific build for it. You could watch one teammate do frost wyvern while the other 2 afk the entire match because its harder with more people. They need to add something outside of bossing that has equal reward. And golden key / skull keys rooms aren't it

[errant patrol]

Buddy thinks the look sucks, that’s how you know he doesn’t know what he’s talking about

[graceful wyvern]

from my experience in ices the other 2 can clear some pretty decent modules in ice II

[vast canopy]

Does spectral knight drop skull key in HR
Does spectral knight drop skull key in HR

[mighty sparrow]

When did I say the look sucks? water map is awesome, combat is just terrible

[graceful wyvern]

i can confirm it drops skull key even in s2r

[errant patrol]

Loot*

[mighty sparrow]

Its just not worth it. Im not bringing in a set worth 10k+ to loot chests. People are there for bosses and PvP in HR, pvp is god awful in these maps

[mighty sparrow]

I have 65 HR stingray kills, the most ive ever sold a drop from him is for 2k, so yeah the loot is absolute ass

[vast canopy]

Ty

[errant patrol]

Trying for a .1 percent drop rate item that’s why you think the loot sucks LOL

[graceful wyvern]

maybe i'm spoiled as bard but piles, gems, and gold chests add up pretty quick and aren't especially slow to clear

[mighty sparrow]

You realize that he drops items that arent artifacts and eggs too right

[errant patrol]

Which you haven’t gotten because the drop rates are too low. The loot doesn’t suck because you haven’t pulled a 20 chest item

[shy linden]

fix this hr maps fix warlock bop fix the barb nerf and lets play dark and darker agian

[spice sentinel]

admin

[drifting scaffold]

we've finally come full circle .. people asking for warlock nerfs again 🥲

[marsh oriole]

UNPOPULAR OPINION, give everyone double the amount of HP.

[drifting scaffold]

wet noodle fight!!!

[visual swallow]

ya lets not

[wind juniper]

very unpopular, last wipe was not fun

[drifting scaffold]

you're telling me you go straight to boss, only do boss, only loot boss, and leave? jesus

[marsh oriole]

you're right! BRING BACK MULTICLASSING WOOO

[errant patrol]

Dawg you’re just engaging with a single part of the map. Maybe the stingray drops are too rare, but I can make 4k a game just hitting pile. Theirs like 5 piles on the map lol

[nocturne scarab]

i wont be happy until hr gk is dropping greens

[graceful wyvern]

you're suprised people don't want to engage with braindead pve or swim for minutes to get a fight?

[wind juniper]

what would you like to add to the gameplay loop here? are you gonna shame him for not hitting every barnacle on the way to the boss? as if that’s fun, engaging, or even rewarding?

[radiant swallow]

who else rdy for wipe??

[errant patrol]

Ramsey is making a claim that the loot is bad on the map, so yes it’s fair to criticize this claim because he’s not engaging with any other parts of the map

[wind juniper]

he said stingray loot is bad

[errant patrol]

No, in fact he said the loot is generally bad which is untrue.

[mighty sparrow]

Boss spawns in a corner - its in the zone the entire time - this slows down the boss fight because I have to pop health pots when I could be dpsing. Boss isn't a quick fight - by the time im done with boss the match is over halfway done and I have few meds left.

I'm not risking my kits and losing thousands of gold to pick up trash on the way out

[wind juniper]

“engaging with any parts of the map” brother what engagement, whether he’s killing a pirate and crabs or stingray, it’s all the same, except the pirate loot is better than stingray

[worthy shuttle]

ramsey should def be rewarded more for stingray kills

[mighty sparrow]

Make him mod

[nocturne scarab]

stingray should be dropping artifacts every time
🧢

[drifting scaffold]

think of all the unique gems bro has left on the table 😭

[errant patrol]

He’s done 65 bro he’s earned it 🥹

[wind juniper]

it’s not about earning it, it’s more about having a sample size enough to know what he’s talking about compared to you

[errant patrol]

65 kills and only 2k profit what a waste of time LOL

[marsh oriole]

what ever are the new artifcats that they added recently? i havent seen or heard any news about them

[nocturne scarab]

spear and war maul
maul has healing/damage wave iirc
and spear applies wet (-Action speed debuff)+Bonus damage on hit

[errant patrol]

Get off his meat man

[mighty sparrow]

So you agree the loot is bad. Bro just sided with me and didnt realize it lmao

[errant patrol]

Yeah the boss loot mate but that’s not what you said lmao. I understand statistics which is why I don’t sit there killing the same boss on repeat 100 times,

[graceful wyvern]

doesn't it say something that just wandering over to some caskets is much more profitable than killing a difficult boss consistently?

if you "must engage" with the little loots to optimize income something is wrong with the design

[drifting scaffold]

no it's a comment on your efficiency as a player 😅

[wind juniper]

very ironic considering the message i was replying to was you on his meat about his kc

[drifting scaffold]

what? why? there's so many little things to interact with on the map why wouldn't they make them worth interacting with

[mighty sparrow]

Do you think im doing the boss in HR solo 65 times because im inefficient

[graceful wyvern]

what i'm saying is, this dude farmed the shit out of a boss and got like nothing for it. that's messed up

[drifting scaffold]

who plays dark and darker and goes "wow I bet i'm ONLY gonna kill bosses for loot in this game!" it's like playing tarkov and never opening a PC

[errant patrol]

Because you’re a little bit crazy man. That shit sounds boring, but gl in your hunt fr

[mighty sparrow]

The fight is fun, you should try it

[wind juniper]

most of the skilled playerbase because that is one of the only 2 forms of content in the game…

[errant patrol]

Nah I play for fun with my buddies, I’d rather not engage with bosses that drop green loot

[graceful wyvern]

i farm s2r right? i mostly only go straight for bosses and piles, only rarely clear a module for loot.

not because the little stuff is hard or unprofitable, mind, it's just boring. i'm over-adapted

[mighty sparrow]

Gotta get out of adventure mode my guy, youll get there one day

[wind juniper]

let quinn loot his small oak chests, someone has to

[errant patrol]

I know damn well you don’t have any friends to play this game with so you just farm bosses for no loot. Get another hobby bud gg

[zinc beacon]

wtf is all this slop that i'm reading, game's dying, let people play however they fkn want, it's the end of days my boys

[mighty sparrow]

roasted me

[wind juniper]

game’s been dying since its release what’s new

[clever cloud]

Space map outta save us!

[wind juniper]

this game is so influential truly, crazy how runescape saw how successful and fun water was for us and created sailing

[clever cloud]

I was 99 sailing before osrs even thought about sailing

Yarg

[wind juniper]

sailing such a big deal zezima reemerged

[clever cloud]

Zezima would get sauced in the dungeon frfr ong

[graceful wyvern]

i think long-term the game needs:

• ability to accumulate stuff (ssf, not market) between seasons that aren't just skins. trophy rooms and artifact storage and shit
• more game modes or playstyle incentives rather than just more maps or classes
• use the one artifact or gear set i saved from season x to use in fun-mode/end-game boss in season z

get my viola and freeze the shit out of some orcs to save helms deep or some crazy shit like that

[errant patrol]

Give Ramsey artifacts that’s what saves the game dude

[wind juniper]

@proud copper check the asset sites for some orcs

[graceful wyvern]

this will bring back quiver guy

[wind juniper]

crazy how downhill the game has gone since inventory guy left

[brittle oasis]

@proud copper @hexed adder the new map was a big chance for the game to create something different with new game modes something engaging for which the people hop on the game but the water map is such an embarrassing cheap crap

[wind juniper]

water > gc

[brittle oasis]

wow

[graceful wyvern]

i honestly think water map is great as a pve map, but between the shitty br circle (AND ALL THE BOSSES BEING AT THE EDGE OF THE MAP), the buggy get-out-of-water mechanics, and slow extracts, it just wasn't ready for primetime

the main issue is them pushing it on us

[drifting scaffold]

water map rules truly better than ice map and honestly might be better than goblins

[graceful wyvern]

water map rules truly better than ice map
this is bait

[wind juniper]

gc the only map i genuinely hate, at least until another floor is added

[brittle oasis]

it looks cheap the mechanics are a bugfest, players who struggled with fps already cant play the map.. their decision making is just..idk

[slow ivy]

Lots of opinions on maps, which is why they should be a CHOICE...not a forced interaction.

[bleak ruin]

dead game

[brittle oasis]

the player numbers show the appreciation for the new map

[slow ivy]

Yep, you should definately move along, nothing to see here.

[pastel elm]

Ah yes, do i want to play the map with 2 players or 4 players.. the choices.. how could I ever choose

[graceful wyvern]

can you explain what you mean

[pastel elm]

300 maps -> too many ques, so every lobby is dead

They need to stop making new maps

[wind juniper]

maps are not the issue..

[slow ivy]

Some players put map choices as a priority over how many people are in the lobby for them to kill.

[pastel elm]

It is when you have 300 concurrent players and 45 ques lol

[final swallow]

the water map is insanely fun idk how people hate it, its way better than ice map

[pastel elm]

Play pve then lol

[wind juniper]

so your idea of a solution for that is to gimp the content side?

[final swallow]

Only issue I've ran into is solo is filled full of teamers lmfao

[wind juniper]

i promise you having one single map for people to play until the end of time isn’t exactly good for securing replay numbers

[pastel elm]

Yes i dont think we need 45 maps if you want more content add more layers so it's optional to go down and instantly open reds

[slow ivy]

I play on the Test, it's like PvE, only I don't have to put up with the bastardized loot table bullshit. I can take whatever mode I want to and it's ALL PvE. But thanks for your permission....?

[wind juniper]

until what? you have 12 layers and it takes 2 hours to get through them? with this awful questing? you’re insane

midnight walkers coded

[livid rover]

midnight walkers blows chunks..

[pastel elm]

Let them pick the floor when going red, idk anything than 2 people every game

[polar phoenix]

crypt should be before ruins

[ember thunder]

eat dessert first kinda opinion

[pastel elm]

I could care less about the new bosses and maps, my favorite map has always been crypts and they fucked it with 2nd layer

[livid rover]

they fucked this whole game up with randomized HR maps

[polar phoenix]

being able to play the best map kinda option

[pastel elm]

I agree but I dont want 45 ques either tbh

[ember thunder]

ruins->gc, crypt->inferno, ice->ice, remove water map, gg

[livid rover]

I played 1h 23minutes yesterday. I just wanted to go ICY HR and fight wvyn..

[nocturne scarab]

map rotation didnt fix the problem that 45 queues created
or rather, was present while 45 queues were there

[polar phoenix]

not a fan of water map but removing it would probably cost them players. so they probably will do it to make the few faithful ppl leave

[livid rover]

1 hour.. 23minutes.. not a single ICY map. I got goblins 3 times and the rest were ruins and water map. Each time I was in squire so I would leave within a minute. Not once did I ever see a lobby have more than 3 people.. lol

[wind juniper]

we don’t need duos even though it’s the best game mode, remove all of those and we’re down good

[pastel elm]

Never said it did, they gotta stop adding maps and add more characters and the damn skill tree lol

[wind juniper]

the new map is the only thing that brought 10k+ people back this wipe, the game being shit is what drove them all away

[graceful wyvern]

characters won't save the game especially since they don't seem interested in balancing it

[nocturne scarab]

Never said you said it was. See how that goes?

Map select being the live mechanism over rotations is non sequitur if the problem is never fixed

[ember thunder]

Due to the nature of success of arc raiders and tarkov, the next map is north korea streets, and everyone can use an automatic but warlock

[livid rover]

eh, the PROMISE of the new map and the change is what brought people back. after 3 days they realized the map was shit and the change wasnt happening.

[pastel elm]

Yeah and how long did that last lol. The content was shit and everyone left. 10k is really low for wipe day too

[median beacon]

Genuinely curious. Do you see other players? Are you able to use the market place at all?

[wind juniper]

idea being that adding maps doesn’t do anything negative to the playerbase, not adding maps anymore isn’t going to fix us falling to 3k players, and it’s not going to worsen queue times, especially if it’s just thrown in with the other maps on a rotation

[pastel elm]

You kinda implied that with replying to me and saying "map rotation didnt fix the problem"

[nocturne scarab]

I didn't imply shit. Your brain, not mine.

[graceful wyvern]

idea being that adding maps doesn’t do anything negative to the playerbase,
it does if people hate the map though

[half ermine]

where is monk

[wind juniper]

no it doesn’t lol there are PLENTY of games with maps that people despise but put up with because the game itself is good

[pastel elm]

You good bro? That's a universal thing, when you reply it means you are talking to that person

[graceful wyvern]

in a random rotation like this? which games?

if that isn't what's killing the game then what is?

[livid rover]

We all get to see what these clowns at IronMace will do now.. cause they stated themselves.. if this season fails.. it's over for them and so far it's been a failure.

[nocturne scarab]

All of this stuff exists without you - implying anything about you as being responsible for it is dumb. Now that you're on a socio trip - I'm gonna go back to what I was doing. Good luck in life.

[pastel elm]

?? Yeah i dont even know what you are going on about anymore lol wtf

[slow ivy]

I see other players....once in a blue moon. And yes, the market place gets used a lot. There is quite the group there. Entire guilds, with Discords and everything, if you want the company or the banter. I would say...there are probably a few hundred people who play there regularly, with around 30ish at any given time. Sometimes a lot more, sometimes less.

Edit: And no waiting. Ever.

Edit2: And no water map. 🙂

[nocturne scarab]

Now you know how I feel - you started reading things that weren't there and now we're here and blah blah blah.

[pastel elm]

?? Scroll up the message logs are still there, I dont understand lol

[nocturne scarab]

Right back at you? Did you think us making it this far was going to change what I said?

[wind juniper]

if you genuinely are of the mind that everyone who’s left, left solely because they have to swim a little bit, you’re in psychosis

[pastel elm]

But what you said was completely off topic, and all I said was you replied to me so I assumed you were talking to me lol

[nocturne scarab]

No it wasn't. It was perfectly canon.

[graceful wyvern]

i'm not saying that was all of it, but that was definitely part of it

[median beacon]

You guys on the test server guaranteed have more fun than we do on the real server

[livid rover]

just clutched the victory for my team in Night Reign... Augur deep of night

[nocturne scarab]

never played elden ring
stopped playing souls like after ds3

[median beacon]

Elden ring is really good

[slow ivy]

I can't say...I don't know how much fun other people have. I just know how much fun I have.

[nocturne scarab]

have they actually made the series hard or? ds1-2 was disappointing

[sudden hatch]

elden rings fun its been fun idk

[median beacon]

Based on what you are telling me it seems you and others have created an environment tailored to suit you. The environment that the rest of us play does not suit us as well as yours sounds like it suits you

[drifting scaffold]

🤔

[wind juniper]

not really no, if you’ve played one you’ve kinda played them all, you’re still going to struggle for a few minutes learning any given boss but having had the experience of one, it’s enough to clear the rest pretty easy

[slow ivy]

No, the 'environment' was already there. Some people just decided to make use of it.

[nocturne scarab]

i think if thats the case i might pick it up for some pvp shenanigans
download a trainer and go run into some people

[median beacon]

It’s hard if you want it to be but I think you can essentially grind levels to make your stats better which ultimately makes bosses easier. I only played a tiny tiny portion of demons souls when I was much younger before elden ring so i didnt have a lot of fromsoft experience but elden ring is a masterpiece

[wind juniper]

i’m a spectacle and design kinda guy so souls games are right up my alley

[nocturne scarab]

if its anything like the previous souls with the hybrid sp/mp database, ill be able to edit my save np and skip that
i think fav part of that game becomes doing first run as a naked parry only

[spice sentinel]

im quitting the game untill i know these 2 teamkillers are punished

[viscid holly]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-lol-the-simpsons-marge-lisa-gif-8714260

[obsidian gale]

I just fell to my knees in a TGI Fridays, please don’t man

[nocturne scarab]

its true
some of the patrons at my tgi friday also found out
its not looking good

[slow ivy]

Say it isn't so, Joe!! Say it isn't so! <weeps>

[uncut bobcat]

destroy 2 snitches > interact with 100 torches

[warm fable]

add quest:
kill 100rogues

[exotic vortex]

WHO got a mf delirium for trade

[nocturne wolf]

Does anyone know wha the war maul artifact does?

[wind juniper]

people say it sends a wave of water out that heals teammates or smt

[loud heath]

hey, played the game in the closed beta and kinda got bummed with the whole lawsuit situation. been watching gameplay again and while it looks good, i also noticed it's losing players pretty bad. is it still worth getting into at this point?

[final monolith]

100%, game is great rn
we at 7k average but its just cuz of arc raiders and mid season but we shot up to 15k at the start

[loud heath]

wait shit did they update to the UE5 engine? rip. my pc, a high end but somewhat dated now rig, has been having issues trying to run UE5. i am planning on updating stuff on my hardware tonight so hopefully that'll fix it and i can run the game lol

[final monolith]

does anybody know how to fix the problem where when u press Buy in the shop for red stoneshards it doesnt pop anything? i think hes trying to open via my bugged edge, i would just want him to default open into chrome

[tawdry lotus]

Game is fun with a couple good maps to play and lots of mobs and bosses to beat. End game consists of blatant esp, running from pvp and arena

[subtle yew]

Update ur game bruh

[worn bronze]

does arena open today or tommorow?

[final monolith]

scan and repair?

i just wish someone could click the redstone link in the game and copy paste the HTLM and send to me via DM

[drifting scaffold]

Tomorrow, 24+2 hours from now

[worn bronze]

damn, thanks man

[graceful wyvern]

how many tries did it take yall to finally kill stingray? i think ive attempted maybe a couple dozen times and found no success which i assume is normal

[bleak jasper]

this game still active?

[storm kernel]

By the second day, I was able to kill her. With good gear, in PvE. By the third or fourth day, I was able to consistently kill her in normals without gear. I don't remember how many tries made per day, but it could be approximately 12.

[graceful wyvern]

me spending 300 a pve run on bard beer for guaranteed death this is fine

boy though getting to this thing is S L O W. thing i hate the most about water map

[vernal marten]

i was reading graysuns post about wanting more wardens... but for what? lol the game and server are dying

[storm kernel]

Absolutely. I play as a longsword fighter. I've killed Stingray at least 250 times now. I still haven't seen an egg. At this point, I'm listening to a podcast while playing with my dead brain. It's absolutely boring. This quest made me hate the water map

[wind juniper]

meanwhile vincent pulls spear on his 37th kc

[storm kernel]

I really don't understand the decision to repeat the same thing 400 times for a quest. Nobody enjoys it. Ideally, the item would be dropped by any miniboss or boss, whichever is more diverse.

[molten marsh]

can you give me onetruemortys discord?

[slow ivy]

IMO, if it's a named drop from a specific named mob, it should drop 100% of the time.

[wind juniper]

i like the concept, i think it's cool to include things in games that challenge players to do something relatively difficult even if the reward is minimal, in hollow knight you do one of the hardest platforming sections in all of gaming and your only reward is a 5 second cutscene. a lot of people find stingray or bossing in general to be daunting and will end up not completing it, which is cool, incentivizes those people to push out of their comfort zones. but the drop rate being THIS low on egg is ridiculous. for those of us who can accomplish the task of killing it regularly, it's a slog trying to finish the quest.

[median beacon]

I understand but that environment’s purpose is much different than what you have done with it. I doubt the devs imagined that people would want to play the test environment over the actual environment. Either way im happy that space exists for people that want it

[solemn coral]

does magical power +2 affect rogue poison?

[wind juniper]

and then the people who do go for it despite being fearful or whatever and overcome, still don't get it cause shitty drop rate

[gaunt oracle]

counterpoint: it being so rare makes it expensive as hell. I had alot of fun grinding gold chests+deathblooms to pay for an egg. Some farmers have gotten multiple eggs and got richer than ever before

[wind juniper]

is that a good thing though? that's just a rich get richer scenario those guys would've been fine on money this wipe without the egg

[slow ivy]

It's very nice, there's older people there...like me. I'm 60, my pvp days happened when Duke Nukem came out and we found our games on Kali game server and posted our wins/losses on Case's Ladder. My pvp days are behind me, and others are the same, or have their own handicaps that don't make pvp even remotely enjoyable. Yet we still love the game, cracking open chests, looting piles of gold...the fantasy genre, dungeon crawling...it's pretty cool.

[wind juniper]

even then it's not like a slightly better drop rate would completely tank egg prices, they'd definitely go down but i still think it would be high demand

[gaunt oracle]

you assume people successfully farming stingray were equally successful previously. not always the case

[storm kernel]

I agree. After the 50th attempt, killing Stingray is a joke. It gets repetitive, and repetition is boring when it's not even challenging anymore. I understand the excitement of getting a skin with a 0.25% drop rate, but it shouldn't be such a tedious task. It could be obtained from any boss, and that would at least make it much more diverse. In fact, I hate Stingray now. Great idea.

[wind juniper]

i personally think it's much more likely those farming for repeat eggs were successful players previously, sure there are outliers definitely but idk in my mind a newer or previously less successful at bossing or making money player isn't committing to that

[slow ivy]

Imagine how many eggs just end up on corpses, rotting away on the bottom of the sea...

[median beacon]

Incredibly refreshing take

[radiant swallow]

all quest items should be able to be bought so poor ppl can make money farming quest items and rich ppl don't have to

[median beacon]

Also the stingray quest becomes way more frustrating when you realize that skin will be in the store for $6 start of next wipe

[wind juniper]

it's most frustrating to me because it's a butt ugly torch skin but my fomo is kicking my ass and i don't wanna pay for something i can earn

[nocturne scarab]

i cant wait to buy stingray torch
and then queue into s2r and show people who dont care
and say i earned it the hard way

[wind juniper]

i wish it were a better blue torch too

[gaunt oracle]

egg is cheap honestly for how rare it is. ~400k per... I could farm 3 times that in the same time someone playing equal time as me could find one egg

[storm kernel]

My problem isn't with the low drop rate of the egg, but with how to obtain it. I understand that a well-made skin should have a low drop rate to feel exclusive, but there could be multiple ways to obtain it.

[wind juniper]

fuck we doing giving an orangey red torch to something you're locking behind having to spend the wipe underwater for

[median beacon]

Comes down to luck at the end of the day. I have probably only seen two people with kits worth more than 50k this whole wipe

[graceful wyvern]

my strategy is starting to develop, but it's mostly just run away and heal while taking swipes at higher hp and praying i get a read on the attack

[errant isle]

I know about the court stuff. Isn't it pretty much wrapped up though?

[median beacon]

It’s also like, and I hate to use this argument, I could either giga sweat in the game or farm stingray for dozens if not hundreds of hours, or I could spend a fraction of an hour to just buy the skin

And have more fun not caring about the outcome while playing the game

[gaunt oracle]

I mean, I've farmed 18-20 full chests worth so far this season and I don't even queue PVP modes. Its only about luck as far as the egg farmer is concerned IMO

[median beacon]

Yeah it’s just a straight time commitment atp lol

[graceful wyvern]

but then you pay ironmace instead of draining their resources, that is auto lose

[median beacon]

I never queue anything but PvP and if I can’t get the money or egg that way then I’d never get it

[median beacon]

Ik it’s a joke but iron mace is legit swimming in cash imo. They’re not that worried about server costs if I had to guess

[gaunt oracle]

if you're not wiz/sorc, use the free farm time on the 2nd half of water map (after everyone leaves) and just line your pockets. tidewalkers are loot pinatas

bait them into water. S key + LMB, they all die easy

shamans you gotta wiggle right a little to avoid the missile. otherwise, pinatas

[wind juniper]

if IM were ever hurting for money, they should just release a clown skin in game, they'd solve that shit instantly

[median beacon]

Yeah there actually are pretty good ways of consistently making a lot of gold over time I just quickly resort to PvP and I do dumb things because I’m impatient so accumulating lots of gold is not typically something that I do lol

[nocturne scarab]

The great gem purge

[warm fable]

rogue has clown gear
you can wear crafted gear to look like clown

[crude blaze]

@tulip isle >~<

[cunning ore]

2k players online.

[slow ivy]

2K?? Holy crap, that's lower than usual.

[surreal warren]

4.5 online atm

[slim lion]

It's gonna die Brodie. Whether we like it or not. Lol that announcement is drawing near.

[cunning ore]

Yeah but I only care about in dungeon, not afk in lobby while playing playstation.

[copper chasm]

Bring back gs brackets, force geared hiroller and remove circle!!!! Damn this game was good back then

[tulip isle]

:3

[copper chasm]

We cooked

[limber osprey]

Add goblins that dégradé you

[coarse star]

gs is the worst designed system ever lol. also we don't need to split up queues more when the games like 4k players

[thorny stump]

Bring back map rotations at least this randomized shit is ass

[nocturne scarab]

🤔

[haughty crown]

when arenas ?

[copper chasm]

At least force geared hi-roller, tired of fighting squires

[copper chasm]

And remove the circle from hiroller

[coarse star]

it didn't though at all. hr's dead, its in a horrible state, just how it is. Gear score won't fix it

[hollow fulcrum]

remove circle in general, have no idea why they ever brought it back

[copper chasm]

Cause they hate us

[hollow fulcrum]

that does seem to be the case honestly. every time the community hates a feature they force it on us as much as possible. really makes you wonder why this game dropped players so quickly

[thick dew]

Yo whats the best item for protect the value of our gold ?

[mystic anvil]

[covert maple]

28 physpower 4 true phys legendary longsword just parried a wizards mm hit him with both parrys and then headshot with after wards and he still didnt die. Ur game is horrible iron mace

[paper cliff]

none bc the devs took out selling keys

[uneven swan]

i efing LOVE that "opens in 1 day" means 48 hours

[radiant swallow]

I bet if you just circle strafed and left clicked you would have killed him

[long mantle]

when wipe ?

[solemn coral]

55% pdr 31 strength fighters in normals are so fun to have ream my little hole :] totally doesn't suck at all [make rogue great again]

[coarse summit]

rogue is one of the most equipped to deal with pdr

[solemn coral]

not when i'm trying not to spend my entire bank on a kit to deal with it

[coarse summit]

rogue has weakpoint and thrust wdym no kit needed

[solemn coral]

guess i fucked myself using bleed then

[coarse summit]

nah rupture is good, you proc it with hand crossbow then spam knives into them with poison, it works just as well

[solemn coral]

i was trying to rat around with invis and jump people

[covert maple]

it was fucking fred bro and if 2 parries and a head doesnt kill him 2 swings and insta dying isnt going to either

[covert maple]

there is actually no shot ur saying rogue is bad ur just terrible at the game

[solemn coral]

welp i am a pve main trying to switch to pvp

[coarse summit]

chill theyre probably new to rogue not everything is a sweatfest

[solemn coral]

i multi shot 5 hits into a druids chest, hit him with a sword once, he 2 shots me, he's only 50% :] juicers are fun

[modest echo]

Nerf hide rogue

[solemn coral]

funny ass fight tho, 2 of em cornered me and played chicken with who'll get the buckshot

[vast karma]

Nerf the game being 🐕 💩 and make it better.

[woven widget]

🐕 dog2

[pallid moon]

Because they dont know how to develop a game.

[ember thunder]

wait until you learn about programming socks

[nocturne scarab]

how much hp do we think red stingray has? 2500?

[chilly sequoia]

well thats obvious i mean the court argument was we have a small dedicated team to make the game faster then nexon could, yet theyre so passionate they cant see the stupid obvious and developed the playtest in under a year and the dog water map took longer than the game. its quite obvious theyre scheister azz mofos

[stray cape]

why is this game so poop and back down to 4k players....

[gentle violet]

yo 4.5k players rip

[stray cape]

4k players is crazy just let ur poop game die out already....

[mystic anvil]

At least 10,
Hope this helps!

[nocturne scarab]

idk, could be more than that

[mystic anvil]

Honestly, tough call, but couldnt be more than 10 million for sure

[nocturne scarab]

why so little? 🙁

[mystic anvil]

Good point 💔

[nocturne scarab]

time to go make coffee and come back and learn him
3rd attempt and im already confident to bring in gear
trying to make use of his orbs for oxygen and struggling (in squire at least)

[mystic anvil]

You got it! 🔥

Egg coming soon! 🔥 😎

[timber orbit]

you find any cool tips out, ping me and send them my way in all caps so i can read it in The Voice

-# no but really i'm probably gonna end up learning stingray before end of wipe

[mystic anvil]

And if he sends you any cool tips, ping me so I can begin to finally learn the boss!

Awesome plan team! BREAK! 🤜 🤛

XD

[timber orbit]

just have him ping you too so you can read it in Gilbert's voice

[mystic anvil]

Im lost, whos Gilbert 😭

[timber orbit]

gilbert gottfried, the voice behind the parrot from aladdin featured in raggy's pfp. whenever he types in all caps you're intended to read it in that voice lol

[mystic anvil]

Legend hahaha

[nocturne scarab]

Fighting stingray so far is easy -- with the use of the Ironmace ancient technique of "Get on top of it and rotate"
The issue is drowning.

[pallid moon]

They could have implemented so many amazing game mechanics that would keep people hooked on this game. Instead we have an insufferable spaz making the most backwards decisions possible.

[nocturne scarab]

in fact
i might just anti magic plate lock with shadow touch face roll into stingray w/ longsword and riposte farm

[timber orbit]

ah yes, gonna be busting out the ancient lich techniques for this one

[wind juniper]

if you want a real forbidden tech penguin makes the fight laughably easy

[nocturne scarab]

its more important to me than ever to be killing baby turtles
i need those blue potions

[white slate]

i feel like rogues just win every fight

[nocturne scarab]

what do you think happens when two rogues touch each other for too long?

[wind juniper]

they combine into one super rogue

2 landmines combined is how you get the non hide DJ demons playing rogue as a ranged class

[nocturne scarab]

we can push them off a cliff right?

God I hate the Yankees baseball team.

[chilly sequoia]

King me. 😂

[wind juniper]

only person in baseball that matters is ohtani

[halcyon relic]

Idea on how to make hand cannon better:
-Squire can give you common/uncommon tier and a stack of leadballs on 25/75 affinity with weaponsmith
-Increase max stack to 6
-Alt action now smash people with your gun

[wind juniper]

how bout a laser sight instead

[chilly sequoia]

There is a laser sight. It’s on the center of screen.

[wind juniper]

that's not cool though i want them to feel like they're being sniped at

[nocturne scarab]

I dub thee: King Eager Bottom

[chilly sequoia]

I shot a rat running away before the buff. It was fine before. It’s better now. Idk why it needed or needs a buff.

[wind juniper]

what if we made it automatic

[finite flicker]

when patch

[solemn coral]

fuck pvp, i juice up, still die to a cracked out fighter

[lavish mantle]

If it isn't this Thursday, 3 weeks for patch

[halcyon relic]

It's still trash compared to other ranged weapons

[solemn coral]

as a vigor barb i really just die to 3 hits of an ignite wizard?....

i run crush i find casters, i run iron will i find fighters, the universe hates me

[flat harness]

if hes full melee and did headshots on you, ofc
vigor doesnt scale that much if youre already a barb, focus on pdr
and always run iron will stop trolling

[wind juniper]

yea there's a ton of stacked power in melee wiz, plus hsm them boys tear you up

[simple aspen]

if there's no patch soon god help us all

[solemn coral]

at this point im just tossing myself into runs in squire kits to learn some pvp but every first fight i have are full blue runners

[halcyon relic]

We need a optimization upd if the game must be saved

[obtuse harbor]

all they gotta do is add more perks and skills, delete the vagina rogue players, add back map rotation/selection and were back

[visual swallow]

do people really play barb with no iron will

[proud blaze]

I'm smoking on Elven shadow garden grown dark evil pack. They watered this with the blood of 36 trolls. Shit's so purple Jack would sell it for 25 candy. My brother in the arcane, this shit will turn your pacemaker off. Nuclear levels of sour. Lung slaughtering warlock kush. This shit got diamonds on it so you know the thc to cbd ratio is fuckin swag my brother. A whiff of this shit?... yeah this that nefarious evil druid moon grass this shit straight out of lizardman swamp. This shit is what killed the Lich. RIP my brother forreal dawg

[wind juniper]

smokin shit in a glass pipe blowing the lord's bubbles

[trail nimbus]

are there arena rewards?

[fresh vale]

its sad to see that the fan base is hanging on a silk thread for this game to come back to life again. games ded boys has been since they stuffed it with the trios only. sdf will only break your heart. its time to move on lads

[nocturne scarab]

why does it have to be silk? whats a regular thread made out of? where is the pamphlet for this sort of stuff so i can be more informed in the future?

[simple aspen]

hire this man immediately

[fresh vale]

i mean hanging on to ass hairs my bad

[wet copper]

Choking on ass hairs.

[halcyon relic]

Guys i have an idea
Add smaller hand cannon for rogue

[fresh vale]

this guy gets it

[simple aspen]

agreed but make it so the barrel is backwards pointing at the rogue

[solemn coral]

37 knowledge wizard just ROLLED me in a lil duel in under a second

[halcyon relic]

Its called the "escape plan"

[solemn coral]

crazy cast speed for just blue kitted

[nocturne scarab]

whats this weird small thing hanging next to the hairs?

[wet copper]

The lich? Troll cheese?

[fresh vale]

sdf

[solemn coral]

i've grown too old and washed up to keep up in this game

[nocturne scarab]

who's under my desk rn then?

[fresh vale]

him

[wet copper]

I just wish he didn’t use an AI translator. A human would have known the difference between wanting more depth of gameplay and a water map.

[wind juniper]

water map is pretty deep tho you seen that hole in the middle

[fresh vale]

probably uses chat gpt to make game breaking decisions lol

[wet copper]

Asking chat gpt if there’s a number between 3 and 5 before changing axe mastery again.

[gritty ermine]

Map selection pls or ggs

[lyric urchin]

what affinity do you unlock deathstep boots craft

[fallen crypt]

i’ll donate 5 copies of the game if this rmt participant kills a hr boss

new build. thoughts?

[modern rock]

Who using rx 9060xt and how much fps you get from it (sorry for bad English)🐟

[muted magnet]

Only way things will change if everyone actually stops playing

[wind juniper]

they already have gang, 2k players playing your game is not a sign of life

not when you just did a rivals event and had someone relatively big like summit on here just last week

[solemn coral]

rant, speccy knight's spin after a thrust is 💩 made and 2- cockatrice's bite is extra 💩 made lmao

[trail arrow]

servers are so bad oh my god why is it lagging so hard

[lyric urchin]

@wind juniper yeah i mean repeat bad decisions over and over and over again the player count is their own fault

[summer perch]

can someone please tell me what to go with on healer druid? also does will stack with the heals on druid or how does that work?

also when are they gonna remove SDF from the company?

pretty sure thats the only way to save the game
at this point people dont even care if they fix majority of things, they just want SDF gone

[gritty ermine]

I secured the world’s first highroller stingray kill. What did you achieve other than holding right click on that longsoy? You overestimate yourself. Keep being a coward in plates. You are basically a nobody outside of fighter chat

[wind juniper]

only mheal for heal potency not will

i think will does increase it but it's so little in comparison that you'd be wasting rolls

[pure echo]

why tf everybody in announcements reacts is such a d

i remember it being this way on lunch but not nearly as bad

[carmine nacelle]

arc raiders server down time to play this game again

[uneven swan]

i dream of riding my horse along a travelers road on my way to the goblin caves to train my mining profession in a dark and darker style MMO. sigh.

[unique zinc]

there's a possible world where dark and darker is open world, and I wanna be there

[uneven swan]

i would never play anything else. immersive gritty first person dark fantasy open world rpg or MMO, with guilds and skills and so on

[summer lion]

They can’t even make the most basic QoL changes and or progression system how the hell would they make an MMO lol

[gritty ermine]

Map selection please or ggs

[unique zinc]

we're dreaming, that's the point

[tawdry lotus]

ragnar owns goblin duos na west rn

[unique zinc]

[summer lion]

Fair my dreams I’m using in the game ryan6daysaweek wants to make. Maybe he makes ur dream come true too someday

[unique zinc]

😔 🙏

[kind field]

arc is down

[icy karma]

😥

[azure delta]

The downfall of dark and darker needs to be studied

[kind field]

dark and darker is doing great what do u mean?

[summer lion]

Generational fumble one might say

[dreamy vine]

Just give him all your money

[summer lion]

Already did my dmbass bought 2 accounts to trade with myself back when shared stash wasn’t a thing

[dreamy vine]

His game isn't out

[summer lion]

Oh mb lol I thought u replied to the generational fumble message

[paper sail]

Does any1 else ever experience a bug where occasionally when u vortex blast someone on Sorc they dont go flying and just slightly bob in place...

[long mantle]

remove druid from the game

[naive geode]

Maybe they are too fat

[vast karma]

Ngl its sad to say it but Arc Raiders is more fun than Dark and Darker.
We get 🐕 💩 communication
🗑 patches
Delays
I miss when D&D was good

[long mantle]

was fun before druid.

[keen briar]

I did it! I installed arch Linux

[paper sail]

@naive geode Good theory (Jokes aside its kinda fking stupid dying because of that bug...)

[deep lintel]

Please be friendly to other users and try not to cause conflict. 👍

[dreamy vine]

What's the build

[paper cliff]

when was it good bruh they always been awful devs

[gritty ermine]

Bring back map selection please

[paper cliff]

"failed to connect to gamer server please quit game" like 5 times ina row