the-tavern

[wind juniper]

do you think that’s a ttk issue?

[nocturne scarab]

Makes you laugh about the concept of balance and how talking about it is insane if you don't have access to their thoughts on it.

Things seem great on paper, then you get loads of hotfixes and reactionary nerfs to things like weapon damage (shout out to rapier in pt3 being nerfed so many times in one day)

I think it's a reaction to community outcry. SDF mentioned the hours he plays this game. Barely and usually at odd hours. Then doom scrolls his own discord.

[wind juniper]

shoutout my goat

[nocturne scarab]

Another insanity about this game - how many of you actually have enough time to sit there and drain enemy archer arrows? I would not care at all if rangers had infinite arrows again.

[stuck vault]

ranger player detected

[next mason]

LOL fr infinite arrows is sickening

[nocturne scarab]

Quivers arent getting here any time soon as far as I can tell and they've increased the quantity stack for arrows. Just go back to infinite arrows lol.

Used to be a double windlass ranger -- havent touched it with exception to occasional arenas since pt5. My old ass cannot aim for shit against real players so I dont touch him anymore.

[stuck vault]

Homie has never felt the wrath of a good ranger player

[next mason]

fr rangers are so powerful he buggin out

[nocturne scarab]

You think a good ranger player is gonna have arrow issues? Or let me make him feel the pain of it?
Clearly you haven't either

You think a good ranger player needs loot? Or doesnt have his entire inventory dedicated to combat?

[stuck vault]

Its more the fact you just said "I would not care at all if rangers had infinite arrows again" tells me everything i need to know

[wind juniper]

rangers are powerful but it's not because of their arrow quantity lol

[nocturne scarab]

And then you follow it up with some talking about what you think a good ranger is while showing you dont even know what a good player is. So validate to yourself in scrubland lol.

[wind juniper]

i know damn well both of you get pieced up in 10 arrows max

[stuck vault]

more like 1 arrow 😂

[nocturne scarab]

"Don't push him he has sho-"

[wind juniper]

found the problem, user stares at man holding bow

[stuck vault]

thats how you win against them. Just stare off contest. Thats secret tec

[wind juniper]

i think shotgun is dumb ngl that's the one critique i really have for ranger, that shit feels bad to die to

2nd highest base agi in the game, the class is notorious for showing you their back as they lead you through every module, it's fucked that they just have a pocket nuke too

good rangers don't even use it cause they don't need to, it's just a pocket nuke for timmys

[nocturne scarab]

Stats these past few wipes have been insane enough to not need it anyways - being able to have 50%+ action speed with bows feels great (without buffs)

i liked to use it as a pseudo reload rather than what most people use it for but /shrug

especially if youre doing meme surv bow leg shots only while naked

[bitter garnet]

what is "md offers" when people are selling artifacts? arent people using db's as currency? whats a md?

[valid harbor]

warlock is tbh

high skilled warlock with right build is damn unkillable

[wind juniper]

i hate warlock with all my heart so i never know if they're strong or i'm biased

[valid harbor]

lol

[wind juniper]

proly misspelling dm

[bitter garnet]

idk ive seen it used multiple times lol

[woeful citrus]

how did i just go against 2 clerics on 1 team in hr

[exotic vortex]

Someone sell me a delirium for ss and a chest frfr

[final monolith]

jesus hell

[red reef]

Has anyone gotten that new trident artifact? I though it was added but I can’t see any sign it’s Been found

[final monolith]

did they send a wave of bans without any dms cuz my ''friend" was banned and got no message whatsoever, also he doesnt know why

[wind juniper]

saw just one clip of it so far, nothing for the warmaul that i've seen

[red reef]

Yeah I’m surprised I thought the content junkies would of run them both down asap

[plain abyss]

I HAVENT SEEN FROST CAVES IN 10 DAYS

literally been queing HR and StR and havent seen frost caves AT ALL

[final monolith]

the team: 💩 💩

the game: 😋 🍉 😋 🍉 😋

[exotic vortex]

.

[frank nest]

i havnt seen frostcaves either

[final monolith]

the team: 💩 💩

the game: 😋 🍉 😋 🍉 😋

[frank nest]

please delete the water map

[plain abyss]

I dont want the water map to be added to the game. Please just work on the current maps and making more levels to them.

Goblin caves needs a 2nd level still.

[final monolith]

some guy had an idea of goblin swamps first level would be cool

[plain abyss]

Goblin town should be the 3rd level like from The Hobbit movie.

[wind juniper]

2nd level water map, no surface it's only deeper and caveier

only a few small air pockets, sharks around every turn, kraken boss

[nocturne scarab]

gc needs a spider boss
and dark elves

[quaint carbon]

hey bluefire what happened to your other account?

[nocturne scarab]

Which one? Hes had like 5 in here, maybe more

[quaint carbon]

he dmed me something that was along the lines of alt f4 yourself irl and hes always toxic and angry in here im not surprised he got banned

[scarlet stirrup]

IM are waiting for the game to have 2 players to release a patch

[last cloak]

does undead dmg bonus apply to player skins

[plain abyss]

no

[wind juniper]

s2r players are not real humans you can't convince me

[west sigil]

who crafts the charm of fortune?

[broken pagoda]

Alchemist

[graceful dagger]

whens wipe

[nocturne scarab]

wdym? this game wipes?

[ember snow]

Does SDF have its own 3D artist or are they waiting for models on Unreal to buy or free?

[dense lance]

waiting for the player base to dissolve

[ember snow]

[median beacon]

i know for a fact that sdf sends teamers on me and takes my kits to sell on g2a

[rancid marten]

Helen Wong is paying off that Nexon debt

[bleak sun]

when does this season end and where can i see that

[turbid elbow]

season will be on for 34+ days; it's been live for 56 days, generally a season is 3 months. when they'll announce it we'll get ingame timer

[red shoal]

yo lads any of you having any issues with server today>

[final monolith]

the team: 💩 💩

the game: 😋 🍉 😋 🍉 😋

[quaint carbon]

how many times you gonna ban evade?

[polar socket]

how much is pesti right now?

[viral spire]

like 2

[ember snow]

what Dark and Darker wanted most:

1. New spells for Wizard, Soc (For water map)
2. Cave map Upgrade
3. Arena reward
4. Warlock Blood Patch rework, Blood Pacth's skills-Perks
5. Cure for SDF's vision

[final monolith]

i dont understand what you mean you have me mistaken for someone else

[wet steeple]

@hexed adderHello, I am a Chinese live-streaming player. I have been playing the game since its third test and up to now. I would like to offer some suggestions to the production team regarding the game. The ranger has been weakened since the internal test and still remains so until now. Currently, in the dungeons, the ranger profession is rarely seen. The multiple shooting of the longbow has decreased from 3 to 2. In the version at the beginning of 2024, the weapon damage of the rare-level armament sword was 34, while that of the rare-level longbow was 45. Now, the damage of the armament sword is 30, and that of the longbow is 36. Including the control time of the trap of the ranger, which has decreased from 7 seconds to 3 seconds, the flight damage attenuation, the physical strength of the spear has decreased from 10 to 0, the number of back jumps has decreased from 2 to 1. Most professions can now use shields, which limits their movement speed. After the split of agility and dexterity, high agility curves have also been restricted. The props used by the close-range profession, the lantern, have added the speed function. All these changes have made the ranger profession unable to survive in the dungeons. In the recent several versions, the official team has been strengthening the warrior, barbarian, sorcerer, and thief professions. There are no suitable new equipment for the ranger. Even if the production team does not play the ranger themselves, please do not weaken it so much. Currently, in single-player, double-player, and triple-player modes, the ranger is unbalanced. I hope the production team can strengthen the ranger. For the game, reduce the drop rate, return the attributes to the previous version, and allow all random attributes to be displayed in any equipment slot. Do not make large-scale changes to the game. Focus on controlling cheating. I hope to receive your reply.

[plain abyss]

you are a ranger and can do instant damage from across the map. Be quiet.

[agile ginkgo]

Anyone know how to fix the "failed to update steam_api64.dll" error when trying to install dark and darker on blacksmith. I just want to transfer my legacy account to steam. It is so stupid that you have to install the game on the old launcher to transfer your account.

[wise valve]

☕

[livid chasm]

yo i just queued a pve game and because im stupid as hell i left it without thinking, is my kit cooked ?

[subtle mauve]

probably

[livid chasm]

bruhhhh imma be so sad

i loaded in just to test damage, got done with testing, then brainrot left the game because im dumb

[nocturne scarab]

oh boy
a legendary dex pendy with 3 knowledge 😐

[burnt citrus]

do you get your gear back if you kill yourself w a spell in norms pve?

[burnt citrus]

update yes u do

[turbid elbow]

cooked o7 sir

[livid chasm]

nah it came back im saved 🙏

[turbid elbow]

gg, how was the emotional rollercoaster? :))

[livid chasm]

bruh i was sad i just wanted to test a bard kit 😭

[red relic]

its so sad to see what this game has become, i loved the first few play tests but i just cant enjoy it anymore, no matter what i play

[opal agate]

yeah this game is really, really bad now

[turbid elbow]

game is bad, BUT, if IM gives me ancient stingray egg in dealmaker, its ok

[opal agate]

the disable of goblin recovery was giga cancer

[dusk coral]

dungeons are empty where is everyone queueing rn

[nocturne scarab]

US-W HR Solos - me and like 5-9 other people maybe™

[outer kayak]

I haven’t played in a longgggg time what’s new?

[opal agate]

sigh USW, nobody wants to play with 200 ping

[ember snow]

more suck :v

[opal agate]

the game is NOT worth coming back to right now lol

[outer kayak]

Sounds about right, it was really bad before that’s why I stopped playing

[red relic]

numbers changed back and forth, weird items added, class identiy still a massive issue, skill gap still an issue, cheating and gold farming even more of an issue

[outer kayak]

Last time I played they removed item rarity stats

So a common item would have the same stats as a rare item, is it as bad as that? Because that pretty much killed the game til they reverted it

[red relic]

ever looked at the change notes for a single class? Barb went from 5 to 7 to 5 to 7 to 6 to 7 to 5

[subtle rose]

Anyone getting crashes with build engine crashes?

[ember snow]

SDF should have a 'listen-communication' class...

[outer kayak]

Incredible truly

I do remember last time I was on this game the main issue was the main dev was like comically random with the patches trying to reinvent the wheel when the game was already good, oh well I’ll be back next year to see if it’s worth playing gl everyone

[rancid marten]

Strong possibility it will not be here in a full year at this rate

[opal agate]

there's nobody to play to buy your items, so its genuinely pointless. you cant really farm

[hard wigeon]

sheesh so they lost more ppl

[opal agate]

i have a unique hand crossbow with phys dmg, +1 weapon dmg, action speed, str, all natural rolls. worth 20k gold easily, listed for 10k. nobody buys it LMAO

[hard wigeon]

is arena ssf>

[nocturne scarab]

nay
legendary any loot state and below

[hard wigeon]

lame

no reason to try the freaks r gonna buy gold n get giga juicy

[opal agate]

i have 20 items listed for more than 3 days, all reasonable prices. not sure what to do about this problem, i can keep slashing prices but even then?

maybe if we made it so that goblin merchant had a % chance to recovery your items, AND even only some of your items, based on favor....that would make it so that more people would feel brave about going into HR. thus having people to actually play against?

[cerulean mountain]

Dead game

[turbid elbow]

can we have arena 24/7 last month of season please mr @hexed adder ? 3 months per season is too long for the current ingame objectives ngl, thank

[thick sinew]

could anyone help me? when i launch dark and darker its just a black screen i played this game 10 months ago js made a new account

[wise valve]

I'd start with a fresh install. If you already did that try updating your graphics driver.

[thick sinew]

i js installed it for the second time

[little turret]

I love crashing when players are pushing me and losing my kit

[wise valve]

Update your graphics driver. @fluid hamlet

[thick sinew]

okay

[opal agate]

you had a player push you?????? bro I've been playing HR for like 7 days straight and I barely, barely, barely ever see a player. let alone one that wants to fight. I see people in graveyard SOMETIMES, and in watermap sometimes

[little turret]

What region

[opal agate]

NA east

[feral dew]

Hello, I am a Chinese live-streaming player. I have been playing the game since its third test and up to now. I would like to offer some suggestions to the production team regarding the game. The ranger has been weakened since the internal test and still remains so until now. Currently, in the dungeons, the ranger profession is rarely seen. The multiple shooting of the longbow has decreased from 3 to 2. In the version at the beginning of 2024, the weapon damage of the rare-level armament sword was 34, while that of the rare-level longbow was 45. Now, the damage of the armament sword is 30, and that of the longbow is 36. Including the control time of the trap of the ranger, which has decreased from 7 seconds to 3 seconds, the flight damage attenuation, the physical strength of the spear has decreased from 10 to 0, the number of back jumps has decreased from 2 to 1. Most professions can now use shields, which limits their movement speed. After the split of agility and dexterity, high agility curves have also been restricted. The props used by the close-range profession, the lantern, have added the speed function. All these changes have made the ranger profession unable to survive in the dungeons. In the recent several versions, the official team has been strengthening the warrior, barbarian, sorcerer, and thief professions. There are no suitable new equipment for the ranger. Even if the production team does not play the ranger themselves, please do not weaken it so much. Currently, in single-player, double-player, and triple-player modes, the ranger is unbalanced. I hope the production team can strengthen the ranger. For the game, reduce the drop rate, return the attributes to the previous version, and allow all random attributes to be displayed in any equipment slot. Do not make large-scale changes to the game. Focus on controlling cheating. I hope to receive your reply

[narrow blade]

HELLO EVERYONE, THIS GAME IS DEAD! o7

[nocturne scarab]

[thick sinew]

didint fix anything

[rocky thicket]

Close steam through task manager after driver update should work

[thick sinew]

blacksmith

but its using a shit ton of cpu do i just let it stay?

[rocky thicket]

Close blacksmith I had that problem before drivers did fix after restart client

[thick sinew]

it launched lol needed to wait a little after driver upd

[rocky thicket]

W

I have to get the same update do my driver everyday to launch dnd lol

I have a 5080…

[thick sinew]

its asking for epic games transfer code when i cant launch it in epic games cuz its gone its wtv iil start new one rip legendary status tho

[wispy agate]

what is the vote kick command

[keen zephyr]

There isn’t one

[nocturne scarab]

sv_cheats 1

[terse pecan]

yo when is the next wipe??

im looking to get back into the game but do not want to start this late into wipe

[nocturne scarab]

Check back around new year

[terse pecan]

gotcha

[rocky thicket]

You may as well play this wipe it’s like about half way done super easy to get gear

[terse pecan]

it wiped in april didnt it?

[nocturne scarab]

That's two seasons ago practically

[rocky thicket]

Demi awards haven’t even been announced I’d say atleast 1 more month

[terse pecan]

i havent played this game in over year or more. i have no idea what i missed

[keen trellis]

Arc raiders waiting room another 16 hours of server maintenance oh wait

[rocky thicket]

Same I returned this wipe after a year lots of new stuff

[terse pecan]

im probably going to play it anyways

[rocky thicket]

W there is a pve mode for you to learn again

[nocturne scarab]

They apparently just cleared a big debt - hopefully that means even more content soon™

[tough jay]

Or more parties for them and more inadequate crakokain content for us

[nocturne scarab]

nice, its just too bad i cant have both of those together for free

[rocky thicket]

I am selling a shiny sword for 8db if anyone is interested

[hybrid sequoia]

You can effortelessly get 20k per hour, sit one evening to farm gold and just buy your bis

[rocky thicket]

Type shit

[hard wigeon]

lol game is not worth that lol when 7 dollars gets me over 100k

[hybrid sequoia]

so rmt and risk a ban, you do you

[sudden hatch]

rmt is so BORING yes let me skip the entire game

[outer kayak]

@rancid marten that sucks to hear, it was sorta the goat game for a long time

[rancid marten]

Trust me brother I am with ya, been playing since 2023 im about to hit 3k hours. I didn’t play all previous wipe and hoped that their “make or break wipe” would actually make it, and while it didn’t break it necessarily it sure as hell didn’t do any favors

[dry rivet]

20k per hour effortless? What's your method?

[paper sail]

Squires to riches needs a lvl 40 requirement. Tired of getting teammates who literally die because they flamestrike chests and dont understand that is AOE dmg and keep standing in the fire while looting

[hybrid sequoia]

HR, clear 1-2 modules and bail

[hybrid sequoia]

its literally a newbie pvp mode with no risk

[paper sail]

@hybrid sequoia Its literally the only mode that isnt a 10m queue rn because this games on life support...

[bleak coyote]

"people are playing this mode, lets raise the entry so we get less people on this mode. Also, I play this mode because it's the only one that has people"

[paper sail]

@bleak coyote Norms/pve is for that

S2R is basically Battle Royale simulator. It is not made for progression, which is what a new player should be interested in

[bleak coyote]

s2r is norms without any gear... so people who haven't spend 100 hours kitting yet. It is exactly for new players

[paper sail]

@bleak coyote Again, new players should be aiming for progression. There is no progression in S2R, youre wiped every round. Again, its literally battle royale, which is why is the most popular mode during the week (until arena drops every weekend)

[bleak coyote]

what's this whole no progression thing... you get xp, you get gear if you do not die. you gets quests.
the only thing you do not get are min/maxers sweating on timmy. Timmy got a fair shake to learn pvp on it

[sudden hatch]

just had a minmaxed ranger kit in squires die to a axe trap❤️ life is good

[nocturne scarab]

u drinking?

[paper sail]

@bleak coyote Gear progression. You will never learn how to really play the game if you only play S2R because youre not getting to experience making/using kits, only scraps

[sudden hatch]

no im sober i stick with energy drinks n water

[nocturne scarab]

my other favorite drug, caffiene and etc

[wind juniper]

the only lobby to pvp in where you start on equal footing is inherently going to draw in the new players, if anything the problem is the idea that it's just a tdm game mode where you sprint to the most popular module to fight, realistically the players wanting to do that have more than enough hours to be buying a blue kit for like 2k if that and playing norms

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Do you think the majority of people online rn are new players? The vast majority of people play S2R because its fking battle royale. If arena was open 7 days a week not a soul would be in the main game...

[bronze estuary]

Anyone having issues launching with steam?

[wind juniper]

okay then, what's your issue? if the majority of people you're playing with and against are in fact not new players, why are you trying to restrict the game mode for them

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Because even if its 10% then that ruins 10% of your matches when you're just wanting, in your words, TDM

[wet pelican]

anyone else crashing from game more than normal?

[wind juniper]

respectfully, fuck your 10% of boring matches, the answer isn't to make players have a bad time, we have few enough as it is

[paper sail]

Lvl 40 is not high, it just restricts you to have played enough hours on that class to know how to not die to mobs

[bronze estuary]

My gfs account can log in but its blacksmith my account is steam and it keeps saying failed to connect to server 🙁

[paper sail]

Lmao the solution to "not enough players" is just delete water/ice map, but we know that aint gonna happen

[wind juniper]

also, if you're the type of player playing s2r just to run it down, who gives a shit what your teammate is like? you did what you came to do live or die, in 5 minutes, on to the next one where you're more likely to roll your 90%

[bronze estuary]

People not wanting to learn the other maps is a skill issue not a game issue plenty of people have fun on those maps

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary Lmao i dont hate those maps cause theyre hard, I hate those maps because theyre boring and horribly designed.

[bronze estuary]

Like ice needa a rework and water probably needs a floor 2 but at that rate so does gobos lol

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Cause thats a waste of 20m. Not like im gonna just disconnect when i see my timmy teammate died to a mob

[bronze estuary]

Dont have timmy teammates bam problem solved

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary No one with anything inside their head thinks water map doesnt need an entire overhaul. The water pvp is so slow and clunky, and prohibits half of the classes from even using their spells/abilities

@bronze estuary Right, which is what im proposing XD

[bronze estuary]

I mean originally u said remove tho

Also to my original question no one having issues launching from steam rn?

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary lvl 40 req would solve that problem, aka not have "timmy" teammates. Altho tbh timmys are fine, im talking ultra timmy

[wind juniper]

how is that a waste of 20 minutes? even with non timmy teammates, you're in a lobby that's got relatively equal footing all around and are going to die sometimes, that's a 'waste' of your time too then, you're playing s2r as a battle royale the entire concept of what you're doing wastes your time, you're gaining nothing but levels

[bronze estuary]

I'll be honest relying on this server long term for teammates its rough its nice to gather a bunch u know are good and have fun w.

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Time = spent well when fun, time = wasted when not fun. It is not fun to 2v3 or 1v3 non stop cause you got an ultra timmy on your team. If there was a solo version of it id love that, but were stuck with trios so

[wind juniper]

shouldn't be nonstop if it's only 10% of the time

[paper sail]

Its nonstop for that match is what im saying @wind juniper (hence 20m wasted)

[bronze estuary]

yeah but that modes for new people learning to hr and wanting potions lobbys if you go to HR u get experienced people silly that's like saying you are bored on your switch you just got on fortnight because ur playing with noobs

[wind juniper]

then the problem realistically lies within you having some deep desire to see a lobby to completion, if you have a timmy teammate that dies, run it down and go next

[paper sail]

@wind juniper "Run it down" = 20m of time wasted XD

[bronze estuary]

Like you only run into noobs in noob lobbys no shit none of my friends who been playing 2 years play norms or sqr except at the begining of the season lolll

[wind juniper]

@proud copper hey man we gotta ruin the game for new players, they can't learn pvp at all it's ruining EpicPaceMaker's fun

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Bro thinks a lvl requirement on the battle royale mode is "ruining the game for new players"

Every other mode is dead for a reason, and its not cause thats the "timmy mode"

[bronze estuary]

Honestly they should remove sqr at this point lol no one needs potion lobbys again bro

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary Honestly id be cool with that cause then it just converts to norms crypts pvp, which is great

[wind juniper]

yes, it's a very weird thing to request just because you personally find it unfun

[red shoal]

Guys what’s up with the horrendous servers today- I’m rolling back like crazy and lagging am I the only person with this issue

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Request? Homie this isnt room serverice this is me noting blaring issues with this game. I find it unfun and im sure plenty others do

[wind juniper]

you want to restrict an entire portion of the playerbase, regardless of how big or small, just because playing with them inconveniences you

[paper sail]

@wind juniper God forbid they learn to play the original main game before going to battle royale...

[wind juniper]

now timmys are blaring issues, "god forbid" new people try to learn the game, you're right man fuck em let's just keep the same 2k players forever

what main game? does dark and darker have a story mode i'm unfamiliar with?

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Mhm words in my mouth. I never said timmys are a blaring issue. Im saying that not learning the game in the main, original game is a blaring issue

[wind juniper]

pvp is the main game, you wouldn't be playing it as a battle royale if it wasn't

[paper sail]

The main/original game is the 2 game modes the game released with, before experimental game modes dropped

[bronze estuary]

I mean thats kinda the point of high roller my guy just play that if u want hardcore battle royale

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary High roller is dead. Id love to play it if I didnt fall asleep waiting for a match

[bronze estuary]

It definitely takes awhile to launch but I think thats because they have too many game modes again

[sudden hatch]

300 fame onna rogue!!!

[bronze estuary]

new pve for water map now HR PVE and sqr too many modes

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary agreed on too many game modes. All the more reason to remove Ice/water map. Also idk why tf we added a HR pve, remove that shit. And honestly agree with u on maybe even removing S2R

[bronze estuary]

Ice and water map aren't the issue tho, its the new game modes they should reduce PVE modes tho I agree on that prob should be cut off from the economy like tark imo

[hybrid sequoia]

keep whining on too many modes and you'll get random normals and pve next patch

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary Those maps are a large reason why HR is dead though. No one wants to spin the fkin wheel of shit maps

[bleak coyote]

hr pve doesn't dip in the same pool als pvp modes. Removing it only removes players, does not lead to many more players on the other modes.

[wind juniper]

pve doesn't need a normal mode

[paper sail]

@bleak coyote Thinking there is 0% overlap is asinine

[bronze estuary]

It's a hardcore experience don't be a puss and ur fine I do it all the time bro I've made so much money bossing and looting piles this wipe

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary Homie its not that im "scared" of the shit maps, its that theyre boring and uneventuful

[bleak coyote]

never said there is 0 overlap. But removing pve bumps the pvp pool by maybe 20% tops, while the other 80 go and play arc

[wind juniper]

love gc, what an exciting and eventful map

[hybrid sequoia]

HR with random portals and cancer circle is a miserable experience to anyone who does not have stockhol syndrome and 4 digit play time, I don't even know how you can even argue against it

[paper sail]

@bleak coyote Also never said totally remove pve, said remove HR pve. We dont need 2 fkin pve modes

[bronze estuary]

theres plenty going on idk what games ur getting into dude I think I encounter more pvp on those maps than gobos or crypts tbh

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary Homie what are you smoking. No way you think aimlessly wandering around ice maps hell is more pvp dense than rushing graveyard...

[bleak coyote]

we do. The loot on regular pve is terrible. And a lot of people just do not like the pvp aspect of this game.

[bronze estuary]

I mean yeh I've been playing since playtests but I did say hr is a hardcore experience its supposed to be rough lol

[hybrid sequoia]

when team extracts with kit you came in, you instantly get it all back via gobbo, unless they drop it on the ground, then need to wait for end of the match, and if they drop it for other team to pick up, you lose it

[paper sail]

@bleak coyote Maybe the loot on a no risk gamemode shouldnt be that good..? Or, if you insist on gold farming, they could remove norms PVE and keep only HR pve. 2 modes is stupid

[bleak coyote]

how is there no risk? You are fighting nightmare mobs with a full risk of losing all your gear. For... norm blue dungeon loot

[paper sail]

@bleak coyote Nightmare mobs for blue-legendary loot. Thats free dog

[hybrid sequoia]

HR is a repuslvie experience, it has absolutely nothing to do with hardcore, circle isn't hardcore, random portals aren't hardcore, being forced out of boss and good loot rooms by zone isn't hardcore and you've been forced to sit on a cactus for so long, you learned to draw pleasure from it, that's what I'm saying

[bleak coyote]

no less free than running around with bized kits and a inventory full of trolls blood on hr

[bronze estuary]

Me and my friends seem to enjoy it and we all have 2k+ hours I think its a learning experience

[wind juniper]

idk that all sounds pretty hardcore

[paper sail]

@bleak coyote Bro there is no way you think PVE is just as risky as PVP...
Mobs are literally just animations that you memorize...

[bleak coyote]

it is not... you do not get the same rewards either. You get the norms loot

[hybrid sequoia]

it was a good experience before sdf decided to make it into arena 2.0 even tho we've had 3 seasons without it, because even sdf himself admited it wasn't needed for what the game became

sorry, but HR is just unfun, miserable experience to vast majority of players, the fact that there are couple of players who like it does not change anything

[bronze estuary]

I think the random maps is more of a concern than the circle tho all these maps having exits you can take without being in the circle dude

[paper sail]

@bleak coyote Right which is great money for extremely low risk. And whatever who cares about the free farming, just remove the norms PVE queue then (although id personally think removing the HR pve is wiser)

[bronze estuary]

Like half my HR experience looting piles is in the storm

[hybrid sequoia]

random maps were not introduced in season 5, when circle came back, you can easily see when it was introduced, because the game lost overnight ~4000 players and kept that lower level

[wind juniper]

zone should also not force you out of anything, bring 2 extra stacks of potions if that's a concern, but it should not be stopping you from doing things

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary End of the day theres a reason theres a weird high priced blue gear market. No one wants to play HR anymore lol

[hybrid sequoia]

If HR was actually fun mode to play, people would play it

[paper sail]

@wind juniper I mean if you waste trolls blood sure it wont force you out of something like boss room. Otherwise it makes the fight miserable

[bronze estuary]

I never said they were tho and I never talked about player loss are you strawmanning me rn?

[bleak coyote]

no one wanted to play it before either. People were just AP farming around the edge of the circle. Now the farmers left hr and it's only sweats. With most people done getting demi by now, it would have been dead with or without pve hr

[wind juniper]

you really gotta figure out this issue you have with small inconveniences having such an impact on your life

[paper sail]

@bleak coyote Are you referring to before HR circle or HR random queue?

[bleak coyote]

both. It has been dead for seasons. Some people in the first month for farming ,then dead in the last 2 months. for many seasons. Circle & queue certainly do not help. But i've always farmed hr ice and it has been dead all year

[wind juniper]

i have to step back and sip a potion every 20 seconds, this is miserable all of a sudden!

[paper sail]

@wind juniper For your own sake of a lively hood, please never go into product design

"Bro my new microwave design is fine. It's just your fault you dont want to have to hit start again every 20s when warming something up"

[wind juniper]

bro thinks i made the zone just cause i told him to sip a potion

[bronze estuary]

They have added a water map queue on norms for 4 different queues counting pve norms they added PVE HR so 3 more queues now count this for every server. its TOO MANY for a small community like this it definitely impacts HR in some ways sir plus u gotta count another map for HR u gotta fight a queue for now

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Youre defending the zones. Complicit and white knighting for shit design

[wind juniper]

i'm telling you to stop being a baby about everything

[scarlet stirrup]

Can we please remove zone and random maps like this season was perfect but they just had to ruin it

[bronze estuary]

you can literally play in the storm tho? i really don't understand this complaint tbh you barely lose hp if u chug a pot

[wind juniper]

idk what you're saying to me

[bleak coyote]

Get a delirium, you take 0 damage outside the circle 🐧

CircleEdgeLife

[scarlet stirrup]

Its annoying we are not in fortnite buddy

[bronze estuary]

that was meant for a diff person

[paper sail]

Problem with storm is not “oh no I have to drink a health pot every 20s”, it’s that health pots are essentially nullified. If you do anything that costs health like PvP or bossing, you now have your healing cut in half on top of having to spam health pots, because you are not profiting health off of said pots

[bronze estuary]

the original concept had circle suck it up and get used to pvp timmy

[hybrid sequoia]

no idea

[scarlet stirrup]

Ur the only one who likes the circle its an annoying conversation but in a nutshell 90% oh players hates it

SO HOW ABOUT THEY DO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTS BRO

[paper sail]

90% of us hate circle. 90% of us hate water map. 90% of us hate ice map.

only if there was something that could be done ab all this…

[hybrid sequoia]

you mean the artifact, or mental state of people who like circle?

[wind juniper]

the real problem with storm is that there isn't enough to do in the game, if it was more than just look for boss or pile module then you would have the actual option to not sit in zone to do something meaningful

[bronze estuary]

The random maps are more of a concern but complain about the circle that barely hurts you and a vendor potion can match the speed k

[bleak coyote]

their solution to their own suck situation is always to make other people more miserable. It's very American of them

[hybrid sequoia]

circle makes random maps miserable

[rancid bane]

hiya chat 🫂💖

[hybrid sequoia]

daily reminder ice cavern was designed as a map without cancer circle originally, that's why it plays so horribly with the circle

and circle on water map is just definition of cancer

[paper sail]

@bleak coyote Dude if we put up a pull90% would say delete circle. What’s so selfish about a democratic system?

[bronze estuary]

no one has elaborated as to why its even an issue its simple and easy to avoid every map has permanent exits like ropes/bridges/tunnels/ships its really not that bad you can survive storm damage from a potion its really easy

[hybrid sequoia]

only 1st floors, some of us go red

[nocturne scarab]

i dont mind circle on crypts
can easily agree it has no place on maelstrom though

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary So let’s say I’m fighting boss outside of zone. I use a health pot when I take damage right? But what if I’m in zone and already using health pots to combat zone? Now I have to heal twice as much…

[bronze estuary]

I mean only 2 of the maps have a 2nd floor I also go down but at that point there are perm reds till u get to inferno lol

[paper sail]

Also you gotta spam white pots to out outheal zone on most classes

[scarlet stirrup]

They said before the ice map isn’t designed to have a zone in it, yet they added it, maybe if you think about it their design for the maps sucks?

[bronze estuary]

Its negligable I literally fight spectral in the storm while avoiding crossbow shots bro its not that hard

[paper sail]

@scarlet stirrup I’m not entirely convinced these mfers didn’t steal crypts from someone else with how day and night difference there is between the design lol

[wind juniper]

i'm at the point that my brain doesn't even register the zone until final circle closing and i gotta go

[nocturne scarab]

they fired the crypts guy
(jk™)

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary Your health pots being nullified is not absolutely not negligible

[rancid bane]

[wind juniper]

bro spend an extra 80 gold

[bronze estuary]

It's called bandies bro

[hybrid sequoia]

cool, what about players who don't have 4 digit play time and DaD as their sole identity trait?

[scarlet stirrup]

• HR have become so cancer with every update, why tf we have 80% of mobs are nightmare? Why remove fog of war? Why random portals? These little things have ruined the players experience so much that everyone is complaining on why they can’t find anyone in HR?

[bronze estuary]

stop whineing and grow a pair

[paper sail]

@bronze estuary Right. Normally to heal you use bandages + health pots. So if health pots are nullified you’ve effectively had your healing cut in half. All due to an RNG mechanic

[wind juniper]

maybe go play in the circle and loot mobs and chests?

[hybrid sequoia]

I play HR, I get demigod, I hate every singular second of that miserable experience

[wind juniper]

you want the high risk stuff but don't want to do anything high risk, you just want a walk through a garden while you get rich

[bronze estuary]

Yeah i'm sure if your only goal is to get demi it is, I've been there season 1 & 2 my friend it gets better if u embrace the pain

[rocky thicket]

I run 30k+ kits idgaf I am him I am a destroyer I am coming for it all

[scarlet stirrup]

I remember the fog of war season it was so peak, maybe just revert to that?

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Zone isn’t “high risk”, it’s annoying RNG that just tanks quality of life

[bleak coyote]

Took me a month to hit demi on reg hr.
now i'm almost to double demi in like a week and a half of pve hr.

the sweats will say it's because it is free ap... or maybe, just maybe... it's because it is actually fun to play thus spend time on the game now.
also, the not queing for 6 minutes to spawn in a looted dungeon helps

[wind juniper]

zone makes things higher risk, just because you're an angry baby doesn't make it the boogeyman

[rocky thicket]

Who tf does pve hr lol

[sudden hatch]

yotsuba is so good i love reading!!!

[bronze estuary]

I got demi without trying this season and another characters almost there if u boss a ton it goes by quick lol

[scarlet stirrup]

Exactly

[rocky thicket]

Bossing is the only way to play the game. It’s either that or go enjoy some small oak chest

[paper sail]

Anyone who like circle is a certified freak who likes having their balls tied with a rubber band and stomped on

[hybrid sequoia]

I don't mind nm mobs, I don't mind random map, but the circle is a mechanic I absolutely dread, I don't believe it has a place in game, I think putting it back during end of S5 was a bait and switch for all players who started at steam release, HR circle doesn't even serve a purpose, rats still rat, door campers still camp doors, reds are still camped by rogues, high loot rooms still serve as PvP hotspots regardless of circle, so tell me - what purpose does circle serve? What does it bring to the game? How does it enhances experience and in what way?

[wind juniper]

nobody likes the zone, we're telling you it's a non issue but the tears in your eyes are making it hard to read

[paper sail]

@wind juniper “nobody likes the zone” Cool then it should be removed. Literally why the fuck should something exist that nobody likes?

[rocky thicket]

The zone is still in the game cause they lost their zone guy obviously

[sudden hatch]

sdf is a known fellow for adding and removing things all the time

[hybrid sequoia]

I don't boss regularly, 90% of playerbase don't or can't boss and I hate how circle closes on me when I'm attempting to boss, again, I GET demigod, I have no problem with it, its that circle makes that road miserable experience

[wind juniper]

sure i'm indifferent either way, but i'm not gonna sit here and cry about it until it's gone either

[bronze estuary]

Its definitely a great money maker I didn't really start bossing much till this season myself and I have more money then all the other seasons I had combined lol

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Miserable mechanics should be removed. End of story

[scarlet stirrup]

Its a discord for players to discuss the game how dumb are you?

[floral surge]

To all my friends who have stuck around… this one is for you… 🍻

[wind juniper]

"i'm angry this is bad you guys suck!" what a discussion little gup

[paper sail]

“I’m angry that you want something objectively bad removed and are talking about it in a game discussion chat 🤓” @wind juniper

[hybrid sequoia]

I don't need money maker, I'm not running 30k kits and geared people with expensive kits come to me regardless of circle, so gold literally falls into your hands, further proving the circle serves absoltely no purpose but to disrupt dungeon flow without even a reward for that additional disruption, and no, extra loot isn't a reward, you can't take artifacts or uniques to arena and you can find legos and lego gems on normals just fine

[wind juniper]

idk you just had 2 people tell you that it doesn't bother them in the slightest, that doesn't sound very objective to me

[rocky thicket]

Who got 8db

[paper sail]

@wind juniper You literally said “nobody likes zone”

Pick a side bud

[scarlet stirrup]

Anyone got the new artifacts yet?

[bronze estuary]

I don't run 30k kits tho bro I usually go in naked unless i'm with someone I trust, I've built like 10 arena kits so it is rewarding in that aspect, I agree they should bring uniques/artis at the end of wipe for arenas tho

[wind juniper]

you come from a planet where something not bothering you means you like it?

[rocky thicket]

People who go into hr with no gear have gear fear lol

[hybrid sequoia]

that doesn't justify circle nor makes HR rewarding

[paper sail]

So if we have 3 groups, those who like zone, those who are indifferent, and those who dislike zone, but those who like it is non-existent, then why not remove it? If you’re indifferent then you wouldn’t mind its removal. It’s literally only a positive by your own logic to remove it

[bronze estuary]

I agree but going into HR with someone you don't trust or possibly is new to it is like throwing kits away? like I wouldn't go in with a friend whos been playing 20 hours with a bis kit my dude

[paper sail]

Also you come from a planet where people colloquially say “I don’t like X” and actually mean they’re neutral? @wind juniper

[wind juniper]

yes when you asked the question as if i was pushing for it to stay, that can be the case

[bronze estuary]

HR is super rewarding tho I guess we just play a diff game or u play super scared and get like scraps idk man

[paper sail]

@wind juniper By defending it, you are pushing for it to stay

[south gyro]

Is DND worth playing rn

[subtle mauve]

This game was at its best when zone pushed you to fight for portals (both red and blue) and there was no red statics.

[south gyro]

Spit oml, zone days were peak

[wind juniper]

i told you to sip a pot and keep it pushing brother you act like i'm laying across a highway

[bronze estuary]

Looting oak chests in the corner of the map doesn't profit for sure looting piles in coontested spots does I've literally pulled items worth 2 chests and they were still worth 48k a piece lol

[paper sail]

@subtle mauve lowkey red statics wouldn’t be a problem if they added a crank system to it like everyone’s been saying, but I’m not convinced these devs know how to make new mechanics anymore. Their “new mechanic” guy quit

@wind juniper dog you’re 30 paragraphs in defending why’s it’s not a problem…

[wind juniper]

he says as his 4th continuous line of message

[rocky thicket]

I pulled 2 chest from pile in 1 day, 3 echo of screams in 4 gk kills and THE BEST FULGOR this wipe from skull key 🙂

[paper sail]

@wind juniper I don’t claim to be indifferent, lil guy

[hybrid sequoia]

I'm on ruins cementary, fighting for these coffins like rabid European hamster on the roadside for its territory

[bronze estuary]

Bro Nice! I've pulled 2 chests this wipe myself no artis yet tho 🙁 I did sell a zirkies my friends got from pvp tho they offered me a cut so I said hell ya lol

[wind juniper]

whole time i've been telling you to dry the tears and figure it out

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Mm seems like you’re pretty adamant on it staying if you’re this bothered by people saying it should be removed

[subtle mauve]

I think a crank system wouldn't fix people holding reds in crypts they'd just leave them open and then look for fights. I think it should be a 5-10 second interaction to enter the static per person

[paper sail]

@subtle mauve I’m talking about a new crank where you have to sit there and open it for 20s, and then it closes after like 3 seconds (and you gotta crank it open again)

[subtle mauve]

oh yeah that sounds good I was thinking of the current bridge on ruins

[hybrid sequoia]

open statics in Arc actually do it right - 30 secs to open, loudly announces someone is opening it, stays open for 2 mins or until triggered to close and extract

[wind juniper]

you live in such a hyperbolic world if me telling you that it really isn't that problematic is me being bothered

[bronze estuary]

i'm the only guy in this dungeon that could be trusted with a zirksies and split the profits fairly lmaoo

[paper sail]

@subtle mauve Yeah lots of people been suggesting it for a while but sadly they don’t seem to care/have the resources for a new mechanic

[hybrid sequoia]

that's exactly what a thief would say

[paper sail]

@wind juniper I live in a world where people sending you 30+ messages defending something indicates an opinion 🙂

[bronze estuary]

I mean they said it not me tho and they did get their cut i got a chest off it cause I love trader post

[wind juniper]

same guy who wants to tell timmys they can't play the game steps into zone and becomes a vampire in the sun, can't write this kinda stuff

[frank shadow]

zone isent that bad

[wind juniper]

shocking development

[paper sail]

@wind juniper Homie my overarching argument is that these changes are why the games dead. If they fixed HR I would play it rather than S2R for my PvP fix

But unfortunately HR is dead and takes a century to get into, because scarcely anyone wants to deal with its bullshit anymore

[frank shadow]

really depends on time and which server

[bronze estuary]

Also I wanna see anyone on here say the same I doubt you could say someones given you 3 db with no worries cause thats what we sold it for

[paper sail]

@frank shadow I play US east, but none of the "times" are really busy on HR anymore for me.

[frank shadow]

try switching to EUW

[paper sail]

@frank shadow 🤢 my ping

[hybrid sequoia]

donno, back in the day when keys had value I've got a key out of GK with a random, I just gave him the key and told him to keep all profit because I didn't cared enough, so it wouldn't be all that surprising if someone would split profits, I just wouldn't count on it much personally

[bronze estuary]

If you know the people for 2 years its different for sure tho the guy who gave it to me lives like 2 hours away he woulda beat my ass lol like all he likes to do is pvp in HR so I sell shit for him a bunch cause I get bored lol

[rocky thicket]

It would make sense for a Katie to not split the loot

[frank shadow]

selling high end stuff is very annoying

[rocky thicket]

Ya tell me about it I have the best fulgor in the game rn

[hybrid sequoia]

it obviously is a very different case with people who know you

[wind juniper]

yeah it's a shame our trade isn't better, and gold storage

[hybrid sequoia]

main reason I don't want to deal with that kind of BIS, in the time you try to sell it, you could just kill couple of juicers and get as much wealth

[rocky thicket]

No

[bronze estuary]

It did take a few days to sell that zirkies but I was doing it off and on lol

[rocky thicket]

I have a Chinese guy working on getting me 8db rn I’m hyped

[frank shadow]

selling nice purp for slightly under is usually the best experience

[bronze estuary]

8 db for what?

[nocturne scarab]

a 2 str 2 dex 2 add wep fulgor
its a nice fulgor
the kind mom warned you about
and the one your dad has a photo of in his car

[bronze estuary]

The fulgor that will ruin your life and put you in a 20 year dead marriage type?

[nocturne scarab]

i was thinking more like casey anthony

[bronze estuary]

oml lol

[rocky thicket]

It’s the best fulgor in the game

[bronze estuary]

you should send me a screen shot

[rotund stag]

imagine remove random dungeon=+5k players

[nocturne scarab]

look in #dnd-screenshots

[rancid marten]

Nah- unfortunately the sheer lack of content and the lateness into this wipe would prevent the 5k player return.

Also it’s sad to think of 5k addition players would be a celebratory event right now. We need +50k and have it feel social again

[thorn stirrup]

Just curious to know, when is the season gonna reset?

[drifting scaffold]

roughly 1 month from now

[thorn stirrup]

Good to know there is still some time left!

[marsh oriole]

Patch #100 is gunna be huge, new class, all new skills every class, new players at least 50k concurrent gunna be sick

[rain pine]

to the guy that gave me 3 full chests because i was "friendly and fun to play with" i love you bro.

[drifting scaffold]

that's very cute ❤️

[mint hound]

guys and i want a no troll answer, how is the game?

is it in a good state?

[turbid elbow]

game is goated, 7k online tho

[mint hound]

soo dungeons are dead? that was the main reason i stopped playing the game..

[slate hawk]

I just died in a fight between like 4-5 trio parties. Quite enjoyable population wise

[turbid elbow]

am on EU myself, I see max 4 ppl in hr solo in 6 hours of gameplay

[drifting scaffold]

yeah that fight was nuts what up halberd 🙂

[slate hawk]

Ah! Enjoyable, till I was stuck in a corner. Getting rez'd now, good luck!

[drifting scaffold]

GL, onto the next

[wise valve]

Morning

[rain pine]

queue time is quick, playerbase is active, just lower numbers than before

[granite surge]

Good morning!

[wise valve]

Pouring the bean water as we speak. Best way to start any day. Am I right or am I right? ☕️

[drifting scaffold]

nectar of the gods

[wise valve]

Coffee gives me +5 strength and agility for 30 minutes.

[rocky thicket]

@bronze estuary peep #dnd-screenshots

[gritty ermine]

map selection

[gaunt oracle]

if I can ever run ONLY HR water map, I'll be happy. ruins selection chance is too damn high

[proven raft]

YO why arena dont give any reward after season ends?

[plush garnet]

good bye D&D im not playing untill i get to select my maps again 👋

[hybrid sequoia]

because its still in testing phase

[drifting scaffold]

alright see you next wipe

[gaunt oracle]

HR isn't?

[desert orbit]

get rid of random map hr for the love of god @proud copper

[bronze estuary]

I did end up seeing it dope bro

[hybrid sequoia]

as of start of S7, according to sdf himself, no, current HR bs is set in stone

[gaunt oracle]

I guess if SDF says so...

[paper sail]

Where can I find a list of the new crafted gear? Seems that the wiki isn’t up to date

[shrewd pollen]

i dont think thers a list but these are the ones i know off
-Tidestone gear and weapons
-a pair of purple heavy gauntlets with true phys
-a purple rariety golden bonk spell book
-a purple craftabel spell book
-A ruby silver halberd
-a new pair of boots if i recall
-2 new craftabel chokers one gives magic healing 1 gives over 100 luck
-a spectral knight themed cloak and longsword
(i forgot if there were anymore)

[narrow blade]

dead game is dead, well ruined ironmace...didn't listen to me, get f'd xD

[drifting scaffold]

Spiked Gauntlets - Heavy Gauntlets with 1 True Damage
Deathstep Boots - 12 + 2% MS bonus, but -2% PDR
Requiem of the Fairy - MDB 5% Spellbook
Spectral Blade - Headshot Dmg bonus 10%
Golden Scripture of Solaris - Bonk Spellbook equippable by anyone

[red shoal]

buddy no one will listen to your 5 viewever having ass-

[narrow blade]

yeah good that you know anything xD

[red shoal]

pardon me 8 viewers counting myself

[drifting scaffold]

bro joined up to shill EVE

[red shoal]

nice moustache, 13 hours of stream can be seen between those chins buddy

[shrewd pollen]

btw did i just never notice this trend or is it new that most normal matches feature at least half of the pepole in Blu bis with gemmed stats and all of that

[red shoal]

gems have gotten exceptionally easy to get, so its way more common to see gems

[turbid elbow]

gear is dirt cheap

[narrow blade]

dead game is dead, glad that the 1000 viewer bobs saved the game ROFL, you guys are REEETAAAARDED

[pure wigeon]

why kill game why not save game @sdf

[atomic schooner]

If the game was actually dead. You wouldnt be here :) dead games wont have an official server

[pure wigeon]

🤓☝🏻

[shrewd pollen]

I wonder if concord has an offical server

[turbid elbow]

a semi in december would hit, put some christmas hats on mobs, bam new content

[neon kite]

How the game dead when i'm killing cyclops?

[celest grove]

Language

[deep lintel]

He has left the Discord Server

[light yarrow]

good

[celest grove]

There's this crazy solution of just not playing the game if u dislike it
Works really well

[drifting scaffold]

bro was streaming and took time out to come chat in here

[formal otter]

So is it standard practice nowadays to just rage quit if you die while geared? 2/3 players I tried to write gg and offer their good kit back for cheap and only 1 was still in game 🤔

[celest grove]

People have crazy gear fear in this game
It's sad
They also could've switched characters before you sent message

[formal otter]

It's not that easy when the game hooks you up with multiple mechanics. With the slot machine looting system, excitement of not knowing what enemy player you might run into and the possibility to amass wealth and progress, there is no surprise people get hooked despite having a bad time in the game and play it compulsively.

Whoever is feeling miserable playing should just take a week long detox and come back to see if they still enjoy the gameplay itself. I did that multiple times and it just keeps drawing me back.

[celest grove]

It is that easy tho?
I'm talking about the people who only complain this game sucks and balance issues

[slim scroll]

This games dead now right?

[atomic schooner]

[formal otter]

I am also one of those people that complains. I think finding people to relate to when displeased with your favorite game is good. It's more reasonable to just shrug it off, but relating helps cope. Balance has been probably the worst pain point of the game, especially for solo players where you see the worst abuse of balance issues.

Also I do believe this game kind of sucks... for new players. I've been waiting for the right time to call IRL friends back to the game for over a year. Maybe if water map didn't have terrible optimization issues, this wipe would have been a good time.

The game is in a state of canibalizing itself. I see ultra blue BIS geared people running normals and clearing entire lobbies instead of playing HR. It's fun for me to fight them but I can only imagine all the new players feeling hopeless.

So less people play HR, more pvp centered players move to normals and new players get destroyed. Well at least trios have squire lobbies. 😅

[urban bear]

Dead game

[digital cradle]

Other people are having rollback issues in hr. With my team, we play in normal mode with no problems, but in hr, it's all rollbacks ?

[static zodiac]

Need gathering hall tbh

[static zodiac]

So many diverse game modes but they are either empty, or half baked

People hardly PvP anymore in HR, norms is just weekday arena

[west drift]

how do be gaem doing lately

[misty ridge]

Gaming

game gaming

[west drift]

is there a cat version of otto yet

[granite surge]

wouldnt that be cool lol

[primal dagger]

Frequent patches use to keep everything alive. We might need a semi wipe

[west drift]

did monk or paladin get scrapped yet

[severe glade]

It would also be really cool to be able to select what map YOU want to play in HR

[daring mortar]

@proud copper can you step down? the game is dead and everyone hates you, @hexed adder give up your position.. you are a horrible community manager.

[static zodiac]

I don’t mean to poke the bear here.. but I’ve noticed a significant decrease in player count in HR since the implementation of random map placement, compared with to how it was before with even less players than we have now when we had the choice in what map to play.. coincidence?

[slate hawk]

Let's be mindful when pinging Ironmace staff please 🙂

[solemn coral]

ironmace.... please remove late spawns in pvp high roller especially -.-

[static zodiac]

Okay DevilAssassin17

[prime depot]

true, i spawned in and instantly had to fight a rogue

[west drift]

arrrr matey

[solemn coral]

i just spawned into an already visited room with a nightmare gargole staring at me

[static zodiac]

But for real I gotta agree, unless we get some stats saying otherwise, I feel like random map pools killed HR more than it helped like it was supposed too

Because for all I know it could be a issue with matchmaking that explains higher queues, rather than lack of players but who knows at this point

[prime depot]

mannn why not add some cool gamemodes where everyone spawns in with random bis and if you extract, you keep it - maybe like those random perks they did a year ago

[slate hawk]

that would be interesting, with only like 1 tripple-portal spawning at the end of the circles

[static zodiac]

Be a fun end of wipe event

[solemn coral]

anyone notice rubber banding recently?

[static zodiac]

I know they wanna introduce Limited time modes, this would be a really fun one

[west drift]

its only a matter of time before a pirate and ninja class cuz we aint never getting paladin in a dungeon crawler dark fantasy gaem rip

[polar sphinx]

anyone else having issues moving items around? like the item doesn't follow your mouse cursor like it used to

[slate hawk]

Next map desert pyramid? Instead of going down, you go up in height and difficulty, each floor having less and less room until the final room.
Unlike the other maps, if you enter the boss room (top) of the pyramid, there is no escape, you must commit to the fight, but you can't know if there are people bossing, fighting or done with the boss before actually going in.

[light yarrow]

yes

[misty ridge]

So peak.

[slate hawk]

literally

[prime depot]

i was thinking the same thing about the desert pyramid map gahd damn. but genius idea about the levels

[drifting scaffold]

desert gear would be so peak

[slate hawk]

No circle mechanic, but over time the floors get filled with scarabs or quicksand, forcing you to go up eventually if you want to see where you're going

[paper cliff]

how do i fix the bug where i cant open any doors bc theres no prompt

[warm fable]

Pls no more maps rn

[solemn coral]

so a vertical circle? lol

[prime depot]

have you tried lockpicking it

[paper cliff]

i just said theres no prompt

[slate hawk]

You wouldn't take damage, so you can still stay at any level that you want, for as long as you want, but with reduced visibility and moveability (like swiming in water perhaps)

[prime depot]

1. Bread Basket used to be my favorite breakfast restaurant but they closed during covid.
2. Perhaps you must verify integrity of game files or restart idk, very odd thing

[warm fable]

Mid wipe content

[paper cliff]

bless you for letting me know there was a restaurant with my username thats amazing

[obtuse whale]

How can i find giant jellyfish besides the one in the middle

[slate hawk]

There's another one near the bottom-right corner, somewhere above the manta ray

[winged citrus]

Nerf slayer fighter

[west drift]

i would at the bread basket tbh

[dawn fractal]

is there any cosmetic or race or emote rewards for quests this season... and if so? does anyone know who has them?

[turbid elbow]

collector, tavern master, goblin merchant

[dawn fractal]

thank you, i love you

[raw sedge]

nvm im stupid as hell

[broken pagoda]

Don't gotta tell me twice

[cunning ore]

I mean, theoretically, he is your end customer.

[static zodiac]

Wdym

[fresh flare]

At least arc raiders is fun, more than you can say for this pile of steaming mismanagement

[cunning ore]

It's a legit point of view from the end customer who's actually using the product - to which I agree, so why mock it.

There's a reason this shit went downhill to 2k players in game.

[static zodiac]

Because the initiation of criticism is insulting, not constructive

[fresh flare]

It used to be constructive, but they never listen to the community, now nobody cares enough to give constructive criticism and is just watching SDF burn the ship

[cunning ore]

It is constructive, their management is terrible and he's asking them to step down - like any company would - what's not constructive here.

[drifting scaffold]

lmao the mental gymnastics are crazy

[static zodiac]

Lack of common courtesy, maturity, and constructive criticism is why this chat isn’t nearly as active with IM staff as it was in years past

[fresh flare]

The lack of decent developers on this team is more astonishing imo, team can’t even make a good game smhing my head

All right, I’m hopping back on Raiders, yall have fun :3

[cunning ore]

It isn't you who decides what is "constructive", its your end customer. The management in this company is absurd and anywhere in Europe wouldn't be tolerable if you drag a product playerbase down tenfold.

[static zodiac]

I’m not saying i disagree with your views on the game, but I disagree with your approach for clarification

[static zodiac]

I may not decide how you speak, but I can give my opinion as you have yours.
And you are absolutely entitled to disagree if you do

[broken pagoda]

I disagree with ALL of you

[static zodiac]

I’m just giving what makes sense to me, as I’ve dealt with community management myself albeit on a much smaller scale and not professionally

[cunning ore]

I'm not entitled to anything - if I don't like something I leave, they pay the bills with ghost funding.

You either hear the people and design a game for the players, or design a game based on cooked views for 10 players. It's the same for me.

[drifting scaffold]

lmao so you don't like something and you're still here

[cunning ore]

There isn't even "bad" community management, there's just no community management, at all.

[static zodiac]

Well, you misinterpreted what I mean by entitled.
But your point is correct, if you dislike a product you do not have to use it, but as for me I enjoy the game and I want to see it improve.
I do not feel insulting developers and community managers and telling them to quit is an encouraging factor for improvement.

[drifting scaffold]

what does community management mean to you? i come from games like wow where community managers made situations worse every time. seems about the same

[cunning ore]

Nobody insulted anyone, he was saying they're doing a terrible job, which is factual, and he asked them to step down.

[drifting scaffold]

factual? it's a matter of opinion ... we gotta go back to middle school?

[cunning ore]

Player numbers isn't opinion, its a fact, lol.

[static zodiac]

Moreso opinion based, I have seen worse and better cm’s I think our current once’s just need to work on improvement rather than giving up or being dropped altogether

[drifting scaffold]

correlating player numbers to community management is also an opinion, lol.

[cunning ore]

No, its literally, your job. Can't get any closer to player numbers -> community management. Unless you want to manage 5 people.

[drifting scaffold]

got me questioning how you even come along and say this when it's known most ppl playing the game do not chat in here, at all.

[lyric sandal]

Tbh I would say SDF absolutely needs to step down or Ironmace needs to be sold to a competent developer, otherwise this game will always be stained by the poor decisions made by SDF and SDF alone due to his ego, I would love to see this game become great like it once was but with someone like SDF at the helm who basically stole the game it will go nowhere, if you can't see that then it's your choice, just my opinion of course.

[drifting scaffold]

sheer cope of "sdf stole the game" is still wild to me after courts ruled in favor that it was his original game. how else could they have built it from scratch in 6-9 months for alpha

[cunning ore]

If in any other succesful company, my customer base would drop by half every quarter, I would be asked to leave in the first one, let alone consecutive ones.

[static zodiac]

I feel you partially, i still feel it’s rather nuclear to just say he should leave.
He also didn’t steal the game.

[drifting scaffold]

i would rather have this game by sdf than any other kind of game. the level of detail and obsessiveness he has over the state of things is 10x better than some slop built by a 200 person team with everything outsourced

[drifting scaffold]

you have zero idea how a company and business works, then. pulling peaks of 20k concurrent every 3 months followed by lows of min 5k? that's an insane amount of daily active users

[cunning ore]

Yes, the level of detail of wasting resources in design loops every single patch. Add X, remove X, re-add X, remove X, add X.

Yes the level of detail of someone who has no idea what he's doing.

[drifting scaffold]

you truly have no idea what you're talking about if you're trying to reduce every patch to changing numbers

[graceful wyvern]

why do you hate ice map so much? honest question. granted i'm a bard and the map is like designed around us so

[static zodiac]

Especially for a game as small as this one, with close to 0 popular streamers playing this game giving it advertisement, gotta agree it’s kinda crazy

[marsh kettle]

I agree with this man

[lyric sandal]

Wow, I can't even reply with what I want to say, the fact Ironmace is censoring certain words in this discord says enough for me.

[cunning ore]

No that's absolute garbage, you're the one who has no idea how business works.

Lose customers -> Out the door, its that simple and direct really in management positions.

[drifting scaffold]

it's so easy to take 100 patches and go "oh wow look they just flipped numbers around!!" like someone who doesn't even play the game, isn't aware of context, and doesn't mind if they reduce everything to the lowest common denominator

[graceful wyvern]

the game has great fundamentals and there have been some great changes this season, but sdf's bizarre decision making and prioritization continues to bog it down

[honest garnet]

It’s because there’s games out there made by thousdands of people and played by 100ks… so that means this game must do that even with just 100 devs lmao

[drifting scaffold]

tell me again how millions of customers means out the door? you're competing with your own cognitive dissonance. the very game that pulled those customers he made

[lyric sandal]

Tbh I think SDF wanted to nuke the game, that's why he made these very wild swinging changes... or.. hear me out... he has no clue what he is doing because the original plan for the game was not his own.

[marsh kettle]

I firmly believe he had no idea what he's doing and the water map is the first map they've actually made themselves.

[drifting scaffold]

... all the maps were made by themselves ...

[lyric sandal]

Which took over 2 years let's bear in mind.

[cunning ore]

What millions of customers? You have 5k people playing, that's like, my neighbourhood outside... Worldwide, lmao.

[drifting scaffold]

what? do you know how sales work? money, income, dollars?

[lyric sandal]

I really don't think they were which is why they pissed about with "balancing" for so long.

[drifting scaffold]

this is what i'm saying you have no clue how a business is run, just taking player numbers as gospel because your mind is corrupted by streamers (who, by the way, only care about popularity)

[wind juniper]

watching quinn sink with the ship defending it is always an experience for sure

[static zodiac]

Because you’d come here and somebody would be comparing about balance

[marsh kettle]

Exactly, which really proves they have no idea what they are doing.
I love this game so much, but please sdf just stop making choices please

[lyric sandal]

lol players numbers matter massively for a game to be successful, to be honest Ironmace is lucky they still have the numbers they do. Even SDF said he wanted 3000 concurrent players, well it's pretty damn close to that now.

[cunning ore]

I have a lot of clue how a business is run, I've worked everywhere from startup to corporate - hence I know exactly what I am talking about and why I guarantee you that you fail numbers, you're asked to leave.

[drifting scaffold]

the game was considered a success when we had 10k players at wipe

[lyric sandal]

Was, past tense.

[honest garnet]

If the maps were made by nex before IM I’m pretty sure they would have used pictures of those maps in court instead of whatever dog water half a modules they did show…

[drifting scaffold]

yeah no shit, and that was EA on blacksmith. it secured private funding for them for years after. Add that on top of the profit they've already made (remember they paid the nexon fine in full already) ... I really fail to see how they're even WARM water as a business

[lyric sandal]

Let me ask you a question, how long you been playing this game? Have you followed the terrible decisions that have been made? Do you accept that these terrible decisions have wiped out the player base?

[drifting scaffold]

shoring up tech debt from making the game in 9 months while trying to appease their rabid fanbase would drive anyone into the ground

[wind juniper]

“appease their rabid fan base”, like sdf changing axe spec 14 times was our fault

[drifting scaffold]

since I started in goblin caves playtest, i've accepted this as a niche indie game. there's no way they can accomplish what they want chasing player numbers

[drifting scaffold]

what are you even looking for here? axe spec, an easy balance lever, was changed many times throughout the last 3 years?

[wind juniper]

you’ve accepted it as a niche indie game? why? because you’re admitting the developers suck? what makes it an indie game?

[cunning ore]

They didn't lose player base because of deb and trying to appease.

They lost player base because of shit "its my vision decisions", like changing and re-changing the same things every patch and just scope-creeping their entire development costs into undoing the same thing they designed the previous patch.

"HR Circle"; "WATER map"; "Continuous Dungeon"

All excellent decision making. This isn't debt issue.

[lyric sandal]

It is niche now yes, because of poor decisions being made by a guy with a massive ego, this game could've been a whale in terms of it's target market, but because SDF does not know what he is doing he literally threw gold into the ocean and said yeah I am happy with that.

[honest garnet]

I’ve been here since PT1. I’m pretty sure people have forgotten just how much has been added in 3 years it was literally just crypts with only skeletons but y’all go off lmao

[drifting scaffold]

yea now i think u guys are trolling

[wind juniper]

crazy that it’s still crypts with only skeletons

[honest garnet]

Riiiight

[wind juniper]

my fault forgot the 8 dogs and a chicken, really groundbreaking stuff

[drifting scaffold]

i'm starting to sniff filtered players atp

[lyric sandal]

It's a difference of opinion I think, some of you guys seem to think the sun shines out of SDF's arse and he can't do no wrong, then there's those of us who saw what this game could've become.

[graceful wyvern]

this guy is 100% on the money

removing solos, br circle

wild back and forth with equipment and class balance

developer's pet classes, the list goes on

[drifting scaffold]

no I'll be honest I saw this coming a mile away. a gem of a game completely lost to the whims of a playerbase that barely even likes the game as it is

[honest garnet]

Oh there’s definitely things that have been huge throws on the devs side but let’s be real, 3 years ain’t that long. We just got black ops 7 and it’s actually just black ops 1 …

[graceful wyvern]

the playerbase has a ton of valid complaints though

[wind juniper]

quinn blaming the playerbase continuously is genuinely the biggest meat down throat thing i’ve seen in a long time

[lyric sandal]

Yeah, I mean I am literally shaking my head right now, you're not right in the head sir, facts are facts, you live in your own little world of delusion.

[drifting scaffold]

as with all genre-mixing games that get some success, you have players which don't care about how it can improve OTHER than their own desires

[wind juniper]

YOU DARN PLAYERS! YOUVE DROVE OUR POOR SWEET DEV INSANE HOW DARE YOU MONSTERS!

[lyric sandal]

lol

[drifting scaffold]

genuinely where have you been bro i've been at this for years

[wind juniper]

you sound fucking insane quinn, see a therapist

[drifting scaffold]

even before patch 69 people are clamoring for end results with not a care in the world about how we get there

[cunning ore]

"Fishing"; "Woodcutting"; "Tavern Lobby"; I could go on with amazing design priorities that is driving this game to success, but I don't even want to embarass them anymore.

[drifting scaffold]

we could have had that semi semi wipe bullshit out of the way back then, but noooOOoOoo just have to revert every change instead of building and improving

[honest garnet]

We got woodcutting xd it’s sooooo fun dude you should try it

[lyric sandal]

It's the fact you are choosing to ignore the mindless and reckless decisions being made by an incompetent developer who sacrificed the game's popularity for the sake of his "vision" I really don't understand how you don't see that.

[wind juniper]

forgot we as players were the ones pushing patches! my fault chief!

[drifting scaffold]

damn man if only we actually got the ingame LFG tool before they tried to remove solos. what a fun game this could have been 🤣

[lyric sandal]

Most people play solo, it's a fact.

[drifting scaffold]

it's really not hard to understand. if you like the game you let the team continue to make the game

[cunning ore]

Instead of hearing and designing for your playerbase who's asking since the game started for a lower level Goblin caves with some lava, golems or old gods or something that actually fits the narrative of the game.

They're wasting resources implementing water open maps, fishing and Hello Kitty Adventure Island mechanics like this is some farm simulator, yes, your player base will leave and ask you to step down.

[drifting scaffold]

genuinely one of the worst things that happened to the game

[honest garnet]

That’s probably why people say the game is so unbalanced, because it’s “supposed” to be balanced for trios, Mr dev said that a lot

[wind juniper]

well hold on you were just vilifying us for us ruining the game, which is it? who’s making the game?

[noble wraith]

why is the lfg bot limited to like 20 calls

[lyric sandal]

Yes, I like the game, what I don't like is the team making the game who have time and time again shown they haven't got a clue what they are doing, now... for the game to be at it's best it HAS to have a competent developer and his team behind it, something this game does not have therefore the game will never achieve it's peak.

[drifting scaffold]

what is its peak?

[lyric sandal]

Ok, you're just rage baiting at this point, I think cquinn just wants to put out ragebait and see where the chips fall.

[drifting scaffold]

no i'm genuinely asking because that's the crux of this conversation

[honest garnet]

No I think that’s a valid question

[drifting scaffold]

we all have had very different ideas of what this game could become, what it was to us, and the experiences we had. personally, I wish it stayed trios and had much more of an MMO experience to it. I regret that it leaned so hard into a solos tarkov-y kind of thing

[graceful wyvern]

i don't know about peak, but i do know that for starters

the game has several fundamental bugs/flaws that don't break the game, but that degrade the experience,

and that have been left in place for literal years

[lyric sandal]

It's not about the game, it's about the people in charge of the game.

[honest garnet]

Everybody thinks they know what will make the game great

[wind juniper]

how? he’s going to endlessly defend the game in it’s current state anyway, and it’s obvious that the peak is not now

[lyric sandal]

How can having a competent developer team be a bad thing? It really isn't rocket science.

[honest garnet]

Because if people actually have some design ideas instead of just saying this bad, bad game, bad devs. Then we would really see the brains waves pumping

[wind juniper]

what is up with you two and this community input shit, we’re not making the game, sdf is

[lyric sandal]

Retro, so what you are telling me is that the decisions made have been just fine for the health of the game?

[honest garnet]

Hell no, but if I wanted to list things I didn’t like they would be different from yours I garuntee it

[drifting scaffold]

but to the earlier points made, they clearly have been listening to the community in the wrong ways

[cunning ore]

But, it isn't our job to have design ideas, our job is to play the game, the design ideas are to be done by the person who's paid to have design ideas.

[wind juniper]

i would say that’s not so clear if people have been complaining for the same things for a very long time

[lyric sandal]

Job? It's a game, not a job.

[drifting scaffold]

and yet here we are chatting away 😅

[lyric sandal]

It's the devs job to make a good game, something this devlopement company has failed to do so.

[cunning ore]

I aint' chatting away, I'm saying the developers of this company are absolute trash and they systematically violate every single software development principle, lol.

[wind juniper]

nah it’s our fault we spoke words, game died cause of us

[graceful wyvern]

i mean, why are we tasked with outlining a vision for the game if the lead developer doesn't even have a coherent vision?

like what are we doing here?

[drifting scaffold]

I'd love to hear your list of "software development principles" lmao

[thick acorn]

I still have fun playing

[lyric sandal]

lol, yeah, player base bad devs good, monkey brain train of thought.

[wet steeple]

Hello, I am a Chinese live-streaming player. I have been playing the game since its third test and up to now. I would like to offer some suggestions to the production team regarding the game. The ranger has been weakened since the internal test and still remains so until now. Currently, in the dungeons, the ranger profession is rarely seen. The multiple shooting of the longbow has decreased from 3 to 2. In the version at the beginning of 2024, the weapon damage of the rare-level armament sword was 34, while that of the rare-level longbow was 45. Now, the damage of the armament sword is 30, and that of the longbow is 36. Including the control time of the trap of the ranger, which has decreased from 7 seconds to 3 seconds, the flight damage attenuation, the physical strength of the spear has decreased from 10 to 0, the number of back jumps has decreased from 2 to 1. Most professions can now use shields, which limits their movement speed. After the split of agility and dexterity, high agility curves have also been restricted. The props used by the close-range profession, the lantern, have added the speed function. All these changes have made the ranger profession unable to survive in the dungeons. In the recent several versions, the official team has been strengthening the warrior, barbarian, sorcerer, and thief professions. There are no suitable new equipment for the ranger. Even if the production team does not play the ranger themselves, please do not weaken it so much. Currently, in single-player, double-player, and triple-player modes, the ranger is unbalanced. I hope the production team can strengthen the ranger. For the game, reduce the drop rate, return the attributes to the previous version, and allow all random attributes to be displayed in any equipment slot. Do not make large-scale changes to the game. Focus on controlling cheating. I hope to receive your reply.@sdf

[wind juniper]

Hello, I am a Chinese live-streaming player. I have been playing the game since its third test and up to now. I would like to offer some suggestions to the production team regarding the game. The ranger has been weakened since the internal test and still remains so until now. Currently, in the dungeons, the ranger profession is rarely seen. The multiple shooting of the longbow has decreased from 3 to 2. In the version at the beginning of 2024, the weapon damage of the rare-level armament sword was 34, while that of the rare-level longbow was 45. Now, the damage of the armament sword is 30, and that of the longbow is 36. Including the control time of the trap of the ranger, which has decreased from 7 seconds to 3 seconds, the flight damage attenuation, the physical strength of the spear has decreased from 10 to 0, the number of back jumps has decreased from 2 to 1. Most professions can now use shields, which limits their movement speed. After the split of agility and dexterity, high agility curves have also been restricted. The props used by the close-range profession, the lantern, have added the speed function. All these changes have made the ranger profession unable to survive in the dungeons. In the recent several versions, the official team has been strengthening the warrior, barbarian, sorcerer, and thief professions. There are no suitable new equipment for the ranger. Even if the production team does not play the ranger themselves, please do not weaken it so much. Currently, in single-player, double-player, and triple-player modes, the ranger is unbalanced. I hope the production team can strengthen the ranger. For the game, reduce the drop rate, return the attributes to the previous version, and allow all random attributes to be displayed in any equipment slot. Do not make large-scale changes to the game. Focus on controlling cheating. I hope to receive your reply.@sdf

[honest garnet]

Same

[drifting scaffold]

what are you talking about? I was responding to him saying "it's our job to play the game"

[cunning ore]

It's pretty easy, go study it. There's plenty of standards, from scope creep deviation, to development plans, business plans, etc.

[lyric sandal]

cquinn you HAVE to be a paid shill, you gotta be man, no way someone can be that dumb and not get paid for it.

[drifting scaffold]

???? bro this is a fun time to me I like the game you guys make it easy

[wind juniper]

sdf sugar baby in the flesh

[lyric sandal]

Ok, just answer this, do you trust the devs? cquinn

[scarlet stirrup]

@hexed adderhey graysun Just a question, Are you guys going to do anything about random maps?

[drifting scaffold]

of course lol I like the game today as much as I did 3 years ago. i've barely gone a patch cycle not playing it

[lyric sandal]

no further questions.

[honest garnet]

Sounds like someone has trust issues, Mr they didn’t even make the maps lmao your right this convo is over it’s just paranoia at work.

[wind juniper]

paranoia lost 2/3 of the playerbase in a month, roger

[drifting scaffold]

i just see it as mismatched expectations. a lot of people playing and chatting were expecting something very different than they ended up getting

[honest garnet]

Nah that’s just ipad, tictok, attention span don’t read too much into it

[scarlet stirrup]

@hexed adder hey Graysun Just a question, Are you guys going to do anything about random maps?

[drifting scaffold]

take the water map, for instance. if you didn't expect to get handed a massive new challenge in movement and combat when playing that map, you're gonna be upset every time it comes on random rotation

[errant patrol]

Player base are just babies when it comes to this map. I think it’s goated and a nice change of pace

[wind juniper]

i can’t even understand the lack of free will it takes to be this hypnotized

[drifting scaffold]

low key I like it better than ice map now. it's so fun once you get the hang of it

[timber orbit]

Homer Simpson dark and darker

[drifting scaffold]

underwater combat is pretty fun though now that I understand it better. it took me a while ngl

[lyric sandal]

cquinn, you are fully entitled to enjoy the game the way you see fit, and good for you. For me, I prefer to play games that actually have some kind of a decent developer.

[errant patrol]

Water combat isn’t even all that different I don’t understand everyone’s complaints. The only annoying this is that you can’t heat people swimming up to you

[honest garnet]

No quiver No ranger nerf make homer go craaazyy

[wind juniper]

what are those fish that swim up urethras

[drifting scaffold]

the other side of that is so funny. trying to sneak up on someone underwater and they hear your 50% breath noise

[cunning ore]

Nobody expected anything because the water map design violates every design principle they have made for their own game. Its obvious by now that the "designer" of this game never studied or touched actual "design" of anything before working here.

Every design justification must come from a seed requirement at higher level which isn't respected in any sense of form in the water map - that's actual design from a professional design.

And all those designs seed even more to a higher level to the requirements of a business plan which I GUARANTEE YOU that in no single business plan you have projections of a player/customer base going DOWN.

So yes, nobody in that studio management ever touched a real day of actual professional development.

[wind juniper]

nah 3k players was intended according to quinn, sdf’s master plan all along

[lyric sandal]

SDF actually did only want 3k players, he got his wish. Good for him... I guess?

[wind juniper]

@proud copper you’re a goofball brother, my fault ruining your precious game though i didn’t realize the developmental power i had

[drifting scaffold]

yeah I can see you’re like a game dev student or something. nobody in actual software design talks like this

[wind juniper]

i can say these things i made this game ain’t that right quinn

[cunning ore]

Yes, people in actual professional design talk like this, its called design standards, that's how professional products are actually handled in the real world.

[lyric sandal]

cquinn... world's greatest professional rage baiter.

[wind juniper]

professionals don’t use those words! they speak like babies slapping each other! are you daft?

[cunning ore]

Yeah, who cares about changing the design of the product already halfway through production.

[lyric sandal]

I think they've consumed too much brain rot on tik tok and transferred it to every aspect of their lives, including here it seems. PUT DOWN THE PHONES KIDS!

[wind juniper]

according to retro the 2/3 players that left the game are the tiktok brainrot ipad kid crowd

[lyric sandal]

and paranoid don't forget

[honest garnet]

At least you guys got the take away lmao

[floral steeple]

Rename game to Dark Raiders, maybe ppl will get confused and come back to play this dead game 😔

[lyric sandal]

Anyway, seems like they've given up, think I'll just delete this discord now. There's never anything constructive happening. Good luck children, continue playing your little game.

[wind juniper]

fire idea

[floral steeple]

its crazy 14 year olds ran bigger communities than this on like Gmod

[warm fable]

Bye

[drifting scaffold]

yeah except not lol it’s like comparing the structure and principles over at Apple to Temu

[wind juniper]

ironmace is temu right? surely

[cunning ore]

Mate if you don't know even the basics of systems design, please don't tell others what is/isn't, its clear you haven't worked or study it a day in your life. You can join SDF in the studio since you're both clueless.

[modest echo]

the dooming phase of the wipes are always my favorite

[drifting scaffold]

surely the lofty principles you're talking about come from your own extensive experience in architecture and process design. definitely not from a professor or a ted talk

[cunning ore]

That's just embarassing.

[drifting scaffold]

in the real world of software development, you get maybe 10% of your time to work on lofty ideas like this

[next flint]

What are their design principles that you feel they have violated. What released games have you worked on?

[wind juniper]

what exactly is the “lofty” idea being proposed?

[drifting scaffold]

i'm DEFINITELY not expecting the 60 person indie studio to have established design principles that 1000+ companies barely have

[cunning ore]

No, in the real world of software development, you couldn't even create a product without them because it wouldn't even function after the first month or you had no clients.

[drifting scaffold]

all of this? I know it's hard but try to keep up

Every design justification must come from a seed requirement at higher level which isn't respected in any sense of form in the water map - that's actual design from a professional design.

And all those designs seed even more to a higher level to the requirements of a business plan which I GUARANTEE YOU that in no single business plan you have projections of a player/customer base going DOWN.

So yes, nobody in that studio management ever touched a real day of actual professional development.

[graceful wyvern]

"you must have worked on your own project to offer any valid criticism"

[wind juniper]

criminal that having independent funding labels you as “indie” cause that’s one hell of a bandaid to allow them to have

[cunning ore]

Yes, the struggles of basic actual professional development.

[drifting scaffold]

I'm genuinely curious what kind of <100 person companies you worked for that had the kind of strict pipeline you're talking about. I had to work with execs and managers just to IMPROVE processes to that degree at a 2k person company

[next flint]

nice strawman, read the type of criticism he's offering. Its pretending to know the insides of the industry

[cunning ore]

The strict pipeline exists because they have to be tied to business plans, otherwise anyone in a company can make their own design decisions and in the end you get a product which serves no purpose. It isn't enforced because management doesn't like you. Its enforced because its been done and reiterated millions of times.

[drifting scaffold]

that's exactly what I'm trying to say -- sdf and terence are the management. even in their experience at nexon you think they've reiterated their process millions of times? ??? are you not aware that other companies do it differently?

huge corporations have business plans set out by management and have teams outlining the business requirements which meet those plans, then transfer over to development teams for feature story development

[wind juniper]

so creating a game where you don’t lose 70-80% of the playerbase is a lofty idea? insane how any video game is popular then, you wanna try and belittle me telling me to keep up but you’re sitting here acting like creating something that MOST people don’t hate is a challenging task for some reason

[cunning ore]

basic companies* even the most basic company, has a business plan tied to their development operations.

[next flint]

Do you realize this game has done better than 99% of all games released?

[drifting scaffold]

but surely that business plan looks very different between those companies right? and the way they implement the plans? and the methodology followed??

[cunning ore]

Or you end up with this mishmash of back and forth design decisions, implement A, remove A, implement A, remove A.

[wind juniper]

i can make up numbers too

[drifting scaffold]

we are talking about ironmace which struggles to even maintain code quality between releases

[cunning ore]

Yeah, so stop defending this shit development and acknowledge they understand zero of development. You like the game, good for you. But there's a reason they're 5k under.

[next flint]

Its a very well known game with thousands of active players that has made millions, 99% is lowballing it.

[drifting scaffold]

understand... zero of development ... bro what they made the game

[cunning ore]

Like, this is Season 7 we're talking about, it isn't their first patch release, I've been here and seen it.

[drifting scaffold]

alright i'm sorry I'm lost now. I'm not gonna try to defend "shit development" I'm fully aware they struggle with quality, timing, build pipeline, qa

building their whole ops pipeline from scratch clearly wasn't anyone's forte

[cunning ore]

If you think a "water map", "woodcutting", "I want to make a lobby where you can walk", "no stats", "sorry, stats again", "no solos", "okay solos", is a good design and product maturity plan.

👍

[drifting scaffold]

that's called agile believe it or not LOL

[brazen mortar]

@drifting scaffold you’ll just never understand that the game is dead because I died in bideo game

[west drift]

dungeon crawler gaem when

[turbid elbow]

space map will save us

[azure wadi]

NEW CLASS WEN

[gritty veldt]

[gritty veldt]

Probably the next couple seasons or something like that? They’d be releasing monk

[wise crescent]

I think they’ve given up. We used to get patch upon patch during wipes. We’ve only gotten one 😞

[graceful wyvern]

and the patch made the game unstable and put us into water map 😄

[nocturne scarab]

the patch made me unstable

[spark vault]

Patch: Increase stingray egg drop rate and open arena permanently

[wise crescent]

^^^

[nocturne scarab]

ive even opened up a channel in my own private discord
I call it raggyskitchen
in there i blame the community

[wind juniper]

careful quinn’s gonna start simping

[slate hawk]

Let's stay respectful, folks 🙂

[nocturne scarab]

i didnt get to throw a stone yet wtf

[wind juniper]

ironmace blaming the community once again classic

[nocturne scarab]

speaking of simping
half sword is a good game

[wind juniper]

speaking of simping
i’m gonna go eat lunch

[nocturne scarab]

eat it near the homeless
for the lulz

[wind juniper]

that’s for the californians, east coasters are much more respectful, we don’t even acknowledge them

[nocturne scarab]

the other speed bump

[misty ridge]

Love Half Sword

[nocturne scarab]

ea supposed 2 b next year
most of the content is "finished"
now ironing out existing systems

[misty ridge]

I like to hop in with the full dark blue armor and longsword and do Brave Stand on repeat

[nocturne scarab]

the avg half sword experience
everyone has their niche and its on repeat
for me its slow mo double sided maul bone breaking in fpv
do a blinker off the pen
chug something
idk we fk around

[exotic vortex]

Someone sell me a delirium for ss and a chest frfr

[cursive frigate]

1v1v1v1 squire arena that takes place over 2 modules

Or 3v3v3v3

[livid rover]

so this trash garbage game puts me into water HR but nothing but BLUES drop..

[cursive frigate]

Mobs seem to drop better

[wind juniper]

pirates and murlocs shit out purp stuff

[nocturne scarab]

for me its legendary galore on water map
rush pirates and go next zzz

[wind juniper]

fistfight a shark it’s a fun experience

[gritty ermine]

this game is dying

[livid rover]

the games dead AF

[solemn coral]

IM when we getting a divine rapier :[

[livid rover]

just killed myself purposely in 10 HR games, including myself there was no more than 3 people... INCLUDING MYSELF> also the water map has a really high chance of spawning you next to the shark .. lol

funny enough I saw the same XuXuPeng61344 in 5 of the matches... yikes

[celest grove]

Ye pirates drop me consistently good jewelery and gems

[worthy shuttle]

i wanna play so bad but i get demotivated realizing 50% of my games are going to be ice map or maelstorm

[exotic vortex]

wtt 2 chest for delirium

[trail arrow]

since when is deli worth two chests is the eco really that bad 🥀

[exotic vortex]

shit ive seen them sniped for lower

[trail arrow]

the shields used to be worth like 20k at most

[exotic vortex]

wait until you see what these crack heads want for dbs LMAO

[trail arrow]

whats db price rn I haven't played since the patch

[exotic vortex]

3 full chests and spec bag LOL

[trail arrow]

bruuuh
whats bt worth right now then?

[exotic vortex]

like 9 to 11 full or like handful of dbs

[trail arrow]

ok now youre lying there is no way its worth 9 full

[exotic vortex]

mhmm eco is terrible this wipe

bad enough dbs are a trading currency like keys used to be LOL

[drifting scaffold]

dbs have been currency for a long time

[solemn coral]

Pve boss attempters have no decorum whatsoever smh

[subtle gazelle]

Anyone one experiencing lag ?

[true summit]

yeah everyone is lagging and nothing is being fixed just uninstall the game

[subtle gazelle]

I'm moonwalking ><

[low talon]

is the cockatrice rewards jsut random ?

[solemn coral]

the struggle to not get a 5 minute late spawn where speccy knight is already dead

[manic condor]

Game is dying

[sleek fern]

@hexed adder Will there be Unique gear or artifact event in final weeks of this season ?

[fallen crypt]

My Watch Has Ended. It Has Been an Honor, Gentlemen.

Everybody is shitting on game now, and I just want to write one last thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Around 2 years ago, I played day and night. I woke up to play, when I slept I dreamed of playing, and when I wasn’t playing I talked about what we were going to do when we play.

Dark and darker we called it darker. Play darker, wanna play darker? Darker? Play? Rdy? Play play play.

Happiness from killing that first Ghost King. Sadness from dying with a bunch of good shit.
Adrenaline when we fought 2-3 teams in trio.
Laughing at some random shit in VOIP lobbies, pickpocketing arrows from some ranger.
Anger when a patch dropped and my class got nerfed.
Excitement for a new map, a new patch, new quests.
Pure joy when you hit that parry.

That stupid frog “gentleman” meme every week or so. Frustration when a random betrayed you we were all cutthroats, thieves, and murderers. I loved it all.

Damn, so many emotions. Gentlemen, it has been an honor holding the line with you.

There is an old saying in my country: when you defend, you don’t worry about the army attacking you, you look back to see what you are defending. And well… it hardens me to say this, but what is behind me is no longer worth it.

Maybe one day I will pick up my longsword again. But for now... my watch has ended.
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[minor ledge]

how are you supposed to farm bosses on maelstorm when the zone is never next to the boss

[hybrid sequoia]

that's the best part - you die to zone

[minor ledge]

why put the bosses on the edge of the map and then you put a zone in the game, make it make sense

[hybrid sequoia]

because sdf believes the zone is fun and challenging experience that adds to HR dungeon
and if you disagree, you're not hardcore enough for HR

[minor ledge]

well good thing that sdf was never right about anything

[wind juniper]

same way you do it on other maps, sip and proceed, certainly bad design though to have them in the corners if you’re sdf knowing damn well you are gonna keep zone

[dreamy vine]

3 full

[hybrid orchid]

when do u fix

dissapearing dead bodies

[dreamy vine]

Nobody calls it darker

[fallen crypt]

for sure. my buddy madfighter is one of the best fighters to every play this game and hes a sword and board expert and id put him up against pretty much anyone that says the game takes no skill lol. have fun with that nightmare

[chilly sequoia]

Yup. Horrible lag.

[wind juniper]

yo who wanna play darker

[chilly sequoia]

It’s lag and lagger. So he who does not lag wins. Not much of skill in that situation.

[dreamy vine]

Buddy did it and now is 60 full chests richer

[chilly sequoia]

Hard to do it solo with lich. Unless warlock with a shit ton of magic heal. One purple curse is ggs with most classes. Maybe cleric too or a beer bard.

[dreamy vine]

If you kill someone on a boat and break the boat their body disappears @vale oar

[chilly sequoia]

Or PagAzzFantherbearpus. He can do it maybe.

[dreamy vine]

Lich is very doable with warlock and exp. But we were talking the artifacts worth 60 full chests the ones from blue maelstrom. Also since they added artifacts to 1st level pirate map, perhaps they add them to gc?

[chilly sequoia]

Idk. I’ve not been in hr for a bit. I don’t like the Druid or die map with my gear on. So been playing normals.

[dreamy vine]

Meh most people in hr are just farmers

[sleek fern]

@fallen crypt you'll be back, becausei know you are addict

[chilly sequoia]

Dummest map ever. Not in the lobbies I get. lol

[dreamy vine]

Are you good at pvp

[chilly sequoia]

Pretty good if I don’t lag. But that’s very rare. I rubber band a lot and such.

[dreamy vine]

You play solos?

[vale oar]

https://tenor.com/view/juleecel-siamang-gibbon-siamang-gibbon-gibbon-spin-gif-1128571653002961984

[chilly sequoia]

Yea. But getting really boring. Been trying random trios a lot in normals and squire to riches. Play arena a lot too. But that’s a nightmare with the lag maybe worst then the game but no damage report. So I really don’t know.

[severe zephyr]

are servers having issues, getting crazy stuttering every now and then

[chilly sequoia]

Bro you’re rippin it.

[heady grove]

chunkus save the game

[dreamy vine]

[chilly sequoia]

Wym he saved it already. See the victory dance?

[dreamy vine]

Ya s2r can be fun but so is bis in normals , min kits in hr or luck kit in hr also fun

[chilly sequoia]

Idk. Too many rogues and such. No lifers waiting for a door to open and hit hide and it’s over.

That or fight Druids and that feels like fighting a siezure sometimes.

[dreamy vine]

Ya I play wiz so I fireball reds ha

[chilly sequoia]

Yea wiz and sorc feel safer then warlock. But still. Just annoying

[dreamy vine]

Make the game miserable again ❤️

[little flume]

@vale oar Why not open arena 24/7? lately the player count is literally double when it's open & it seems the game could use a sustained online player base?

[nocturne scarab]

give wpa back its damage

[chilly sequoia]

Seems pretty miserable already. Dropped a few thousand daily players when they announced you’re forced into the shitty Druid map in hr.

[dreamy vine]

Because it's not miserable enough!

Its just hardcore enough to turn away pve players and just too ez to turn on hardcore audiences

[chilly sequoia]

Who wants to bring in a zerksis or any casters named weapons into hr and be at a high disadvantage cause you got the water map and can’t cast half your spells? Putting you and your team (most likely with named weapons) at a high disadvantage. Like a 2 year old thought of that.

Funny how the water in the other maps are normal. Dungeon crawler like. Can still cast fireballs and wind spells. Also dum how the lightning spells work. Also dumb that the Druids flute works. Dumazz devs are trying to hard to be unrealistically realistic.

And a plate fighter can swim.

[earnest garden]

SDF: "Nobody plays my map, so I put it in HR rotation to force it on them" genius

[chilly sequoia]

Idc. I roose the lest of the playels. They wirr pray my map.

[dusty thicket]

i quit the game because of random HR map

[hardy ibex]

Gg games dead

[gritty veldt]

Wild

[humble blaze]

dude just go play something else and stop overdramatizing everything

[chilly sequoia]

Yea. Who would bring a named in to hr. To donate it to anyone who’s not a caster. And also if you play the caster. You don’t want to be the reason everyone lost their gear cause you can’t cast anything.

Thought I got banned there a min. Was in a bad spot maybe. lol

[chilly sequoia]

It is wild right?

[hybrid sequoia]

and it'll never change as long as HR is miserable experience with no fun attached

[wind juniper]

i'm curious where the fun is in the rest of the game and why you're trying to make it an exclusively HR issue

most people in hr straight farming are scared of confrontation, it's got nothing to do with it being a "miserable experience"

[molten flume]

Because in HR we have some problems that players who plays it is almost begging for removal (like stp circle and random maps) and in other hands, devs make all on INVERSE.

"Oh, why ppl dont play HR?"

[wind juniper]

it's wild that a little zone really scares you all off the game mode that dramatically

[molten flume]

No dude, the circle dont "scare" anybodie, its frustrates. So pvpers go to normals with mega gears, farmers stay with squire gear jumping to boss to boss

"omg, why normals is filled to gemmed dudes?" "omg, why hr is filled with squire dudes?"

[slow canyon]

prob because it an extraction shooter not a battle royal. imagine if they added a circle to tark.......

[slate hawk]

Insert Davy Jones gif: "Afraid to get wet?"
Water map isn't that bad. People just like to complain. I agree that being forced to play it isn't great, but if you can prepare for it, you can get some good fun and loot.

[wind juniper]

i wonder how many people are crying in the mistfall hunter or hunt showdown discords about a zone

[molten flume]

Nice, nice. But we are playing an RPG+ extraction. If i wanna play a shooter with circle ill play fortnite or pubg, both make great with circle btw

[lavish mantle]

"prepare for it"

[slow canyon]

ah yes prepare for the 1/50 u get it in hr or prepare for none of ur spells to work or sorc? or prepare for the terrible hit reg on the pve they half assed?

[wind juniper]

get your stories straight fellas, one of you tells me it's a shooter now i'm being told it's not

[lavish mantle]

tavern has ton of bad opinions lowkey

[wind juniper]

and you're allowed to have your opinion on the zone, i'm not telling you to like it, but for you to quit an entire game mode over it is a new level of fragility

[slow canyon]

idk either of those games but im pretty sure they are brs.... so idk what u are waffling about tbh

[wind juniper]

not to mention if it did get removed, with this amount of players, the tears would just shift to "empty lobbies wtffffff pls fix papa sdf"

[molten flume]

"oh no, ppl still get to much geared on normals."
" oh no, low pop on hr"
"oh no, hr filled with squires."

Start with removal of circle and random maps on HR booooom 3 major problems fixed

[wind juniper]

"i don't know what those are but i'm pretty sure this is what they are because it aligns with my point"

without hurting your brain too much, i'll just tell you both of them are in the exact words you described this game, "an extraction shooter"

[molten flume]

LOL, calm down and read again what i wrote, i never called dad a "shooter".

I said if i want to play a "shooter" with circle i should to choice other games

[wind juniper]

wasn't talking to you

but to address you, this game is closer to a hero shooter than an rpg extraction game, the most popular game mode right now based just on queue times is s2r and that is played strictly as a battle royale simulator

[kindred elm]

Whats the current playercount in game

[wind juniper]

2.5k in, 2.2k lobby

[nocturne scarab]

games saved
thanks map rotation

[drifting scaffold]

can’t wait for next season they add back map choice and you guys find something else to complain about 🤣

[kindred elm]

fact that we need to wait a season to be able to pick the map we wanna play says a lot

[fallen crypt]

it’s a copypasta i even included the forward bro like

[drifting scaffold]

it’s not really wait a season, it’s the fact of the sparse HR playerbase. idk what they’ll do next season, whether it’s HR1 epic limit, map choice, or no circle

[humble blaze]

oh damn

[slow canyon]

ah so u understand that a br is not a extraction shooter maybe ur not as cooked in the head as i thought. at no point did anyone call this game a shooter other than u shiczo it is a game genre u brick

[wind juniper]

ok

[drifting scaffold]

bro called him a brick 🧱

[wind juniper]

called me a shiczo too

[drifting scaffold]

really chic person with the phrenia

[solid drift]

just me or game has a constant jitter lag since last update/

[fresh flare]

Imagine thinking the playerbase ruined the game when the devs have 100% control over the “vision” at all times lmaoooo the cope is so incredibly strong

[devout flare]

can someone tell me who drops the 2 new artifacts? ik one is the stingray who is the other

[hexed quarry]

All we needed was 3-4 skills for every class, but no, let's make a water map. Has there ever been good water combat in any game? No. Let's make a water map.

PvE and high roller are opposite concepts. Ironmace keep fumbling the bag again and again

[quaint carbon]

Buff penguin

[fresh flare]

The water map is actually so sick thematically, too bad they only play tested it for like an hour making the map an absolutely slogfest to play on “hey let’s have 80% of the map covered with something that slows all classes by 60% and have all the land areas be so open that only ranger fighter and druid are worth playing”

[outer aurora]

My team has pulled 4 Chests and 2 Bags before a single named

[drifting scaffold]

pulled a named?

[rustic jay]

whens wipe day?

[drifting scaffold]

i guess you missed all the treasure under the water? and the huge vertical on all the land areas?

[timber orbit]

when someone sends an entire paragraph and i hope to read something productive but it ends up being buzzword soup

[fresh flare]

Nah im missing all the players that play that map, its dog you dont have to cope about it. The only reason people go on that map is to loot stuff lol.

[warm fable]

release some class content in this season to catch bugs earlier ❌
release all class content at once in season 8 and make game unplayable for everybody ☑️

[timber orbit]

i might be incorrect but i don’t think you can pull nameds from piles. only ever heard of them dropping off bosses and in certain key rooms.

[drifting scaffold]

idk I haven’t played it much on HR yet bc solos sucks booty but it’s a blast in squires

[timber orbit]

yea solo HR ain’t it. most of my AP on cleric so far is just in duos and trios farming with holy pur. they put water map in tho and that’s a big hit to Cleric HR PVE clear

[fresh flare]

They should nerf the characters more imo, I’m sure it feels great for returning players to come back and realize their class is gutted in three different ways and now theres a whole new meta. Who wants new interesting tangible stuff to balance the game anyways? Lets just gut the characters we have with repeated asinine number changes

Sad how far these room temp iq devs have fell, saddens me this game I love is always going to be held back by a shortsighted number focused dev team. I don’t see how this game ever bounces back again.

[hexed quarry]

Just remove all the water from the map and it might be good then

[nocturne scarab]

the shark has developed ultra long and muscular legs + bonus appendages for increased leap distance and cushion for fall damage
plus similar arms w/ akimbo shotties

[wind juniper]

guys i need opinions which tidewalker color to buy

[hexed quarry]

This guy gets it. Stingray crawls through the sand and barely does damage

[fresh flare]

Or just make the water not such a slog to fight in, they could literally fix a huge part of the frustration just increasing your move speed in water, and making it so stats affect move speed in the same way they do on land (so that fighters and barbs wont be just as fast as rogues inwater)

[drifting scaffold]

rogues are much faster than barbs and fighters in water… that’s why bard is goated on water map plus aoe isn’t nerfed

[hybrid sequoia]

I like how the guy who admitted to be neutral on circle is still going on about defending circly for last 14 hours, truly, most neutral opinion on the internet right there

[wind juniper]

another poor soul who can't tell the difference between defending something, and calling people who quit a gamemode because of said thing whiny children

[dusty jay]

Anyone know where the cemetery is for the legacy of pain quest from the treasurer

[hallow lagoon]

"Failed to connect to the server" three times in a row. 🙁

Look like some steam cloud outage

[crisp ember]

super laggy rn anyone else?>

[drifting scaffold]

pretty sure that’s the crypts one? yeah the crypts one with the 2 rooms up top? skeleton mage and some spiders in the one. it's got blue portals in Normal mode

[dusty jay]

thank you second floor right?

[dreamy vine]

Ja

[daring mortar]

coming for another ban @proud copper youre an absolute joke of dev and @hexed adder do your job and of a mommunity coordinator! their has not been 1 word from you about the state of which the game is in.

[daring mortar]

they are running out of money bc everyone left bc of sdf

[pure onyx]

how about delete most stupid attribute in game true dmg, what a point have in game resists if they just not work

[daring mortar]

theirs also deads stats like debuff dur, it negatively affects you so a warlock spell last longer on you.

[visual swallow]

wut

[daring mortar]

if you have debuff on your gear a warlock spell last longer on you

[nocturne scarab]

its an old troll from early play test days

[visual swallow]

it has to be a troll lol

[daring mortar]

i think sdf is a joke is all

but let me calm down before another dumb +++ warden bans me again for talking down about their boyfriends

waiting on discord to shut down now, they dont even use it to communicate so it doesnt matter

[lethal lagoon]

Does anyone have a really good BONK cleric build?

[upbeat thunder]

anyone else not able to connect to the game and have to quit on launch

[waxen bay]

anyone else having big rollbacks ?

[median beacon]

thanks for adding the water map sdf. it is awesome fighting underwater when hearing is impossible and you can just grief anyone that is swimming

[nocturne scarab]

Is it shortly after a squire match for you? You might be getting karma voted during interactions with merchants -- this is a lag bomb and often causes rollback.

[waxen bay]

I was in hr and suddenly my mate (that live in the same city and have better internet than me lol) started to tp back when he was walking

[molten marsh]

how do i check my account name

[mint rose]

the beginning char select i think or in the friends screen

[waxen bay]

You're on steam or on Blacksmith ?

[wise valve]

go to shop then account name change. It will show you

[untold harness]

do we still do wipes on dnd? i just started again

[upbeat thunder]

so how long is the game down for, still can't log in

[misty ridge]

This is not true.

[daring mortar]

it is 100% true, it does not affect anythiong else\

[misty ridge]

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[misty ridge]

"Debuff Duration

How much longer/shorter a debuff lasts on you."

Any status effect that is marked in red gets affected by this duration.

[daring mortar]

so a curse of pain when you get hit with one...... crazyyyyyy or a barb achilles strike....

[misty ridge]

Yes? It reduces the duration that the debuffs are on you?

It also applies to weapon on-hit slows

[molten marsh]

black smith

[daring mortar]

it does not reduce... its +debuff duration

[misty ridge]

It does reduce.

[waxen bay]

you can do as Sterling told its the easiest to go on shop and account name change it'll show it

[misty ridge]

If you have an item with a +debuff duration roll and equip it, you will see your debuff duration goes lower.

[daring mortar]

its okay to be wrong baby boy, no one is going to take your warden status away.

[misty ridge]

Just trying to make sure people have the correct information is all. I can promise you that what I have said is correct, and you can verify that for yourself in game :)

[drifting scaffold]

no they fixed debuff duration like a long ass time ago

u can just equip the one cleric perk to see it in action

[misty ridge]

what does this mean T_T

I mean I know you're referring to PfE but fixed what about it

[west fossil]

2k players is sad

[lament pond]

Is the game down?

[molten marsh]

RMTing is bannable right?

[fair zinc]

Does spectral knight drop any named weapons?

[chilly sequoia]

Yea just don’t put a lot of that on when you fight lich. lol

[vernal marten]

nope

[nocturne scarab]

thats the whole point
put on pfe, stack debuff dura
burst lich asap, stop dps, pray for double blue curse, and stand on your teammates

[glad cipher]

Which creature is falling into the Rotten Lump?

[nocturne scarab]

mom

[vernal marten]

4k dnd vs 300k arc raiders

[nocturne scarab]

iTs ThE qUaLiTy ThAt CoUnTs

[vernal marten]

sdf hasnt drop quality for shi XD

[nocturne scarab]