game-discussion

[honest niche]

dont have it installed

[quick glade]

is 18k for gimslayer with 2 additional weapon damage 2.1% action speed and 4.1% headshot damege bonus good price or to high?

[swift ether]

Corrupted bandage? What horse **** is that for a demigod reward.

Unless its got a cool animation

[raw frost]

Do arrows count as physical damage?

[devout notch]

Man, this game. I deleted all the files in my dnd folder and NOW I CANT PLAY THE GAME?!?!? what the heck.

[violet basalt]

mmmm swarmyyy

[raw frost]

Are arrows affected by physical damage reduction?

[quick glade]

i think arrows are projectal damage

but im not sure

[raw frost]

Ah, thank u

[indigo valve]

Install it

Also could try Linux

[indigo valve]

Yea ur right

[indigo valve]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-mfw-patrick-bateman-willem-dafoe-christian-bale-gif-15222385828987752987

[honest niche]

no thank you?

[indigo valve]

I mean it could’ve said sumth abt the anti cheat not working

[raven hemlock]

can any body explain why they f over the squer to riches

de dark zone kills rouge in a couple of sec and gifhting for the last 6 portals when ther are 3 teams alive and getting murder by the storm

its crazy

[indigo valve]

They don’t play their own game

Squires to riches was already a free for all

[noble verge]

They gotta push some Ls from time to time they can’t just go full Ws now

[raven hemlock]

yeaa i know i loved the sq mode beter than normals and thats what i loved evry boody has a chance bit i just killed somebody try to loot them and was in de zone just to pick up a cape and i die almost instant

[noble verge]

Yeah like I would play and fight everyone in the middle and if we won we extracted and never went down

Now you need to go down 😂

Why

[warm lotus]

Is max hp better rn?

[raven hemlock]

true but when you kill evry body in the lobby there are not many poeple deeper

[warm lotus]

than standard hp

[tulip pine]

Bug rn where if u use plate lock talent and remove it you can still where plate and be a caster lock without debuff

[raven hemlock]

you almost cant feel de diffence with rouge but with a tank like fighter ora barb yea

[raw frost]

What relations should I have with the goblin for him to return all of my stuff when I play in legendary loot dungeon?

[raven hemlock]

but why mess with somthing that was working

[indigo valve]

Wym

[raven hemlock]

they upped evry body with 10 hp

[indigo valve]

All of it?prob max affinity

[raven hemlock]

yup

[raw frost]

Gotcha ty

[indigo valve]

Fr?where’s that in patch notes

[raven hemlock]

new update today

[indigo valve]

Oh I see cool

[raven hemlock]

Balance Updates:
General
Base health for all classes has been increased by 10.,
Selected spells can now be deselected by clicking the mouse wheel in the in-game spell selection UI.,
Damage reduction while guarding unarmed has been decreased.,
While drinking Ale, Move Speed is now reduced at the same rate as other potions.,
The maximum chance of Goblin recovery based on affinity in High-Roller has been increased from 50% to 80%.,

Classes

[indigo valve]

W

[raven hemlock]

np

[faint stratus]

what is the obsidian armor buff??? i can find it

[raven hemlock]

evry tank is more tank than ever and rouges magic defense lowest ever was

[quick glade]

guys what is good price for 2add grimslayer?

[wind dew]

Why not battle axe 😔

[quick glade]

with other good stats\

[raw frost]

Can battle axe repose?

[indigo valve]

Projectile reduction

It’s trash

[faint stratus]

ahhh thats garbage

[wind dew]

Riposte? Yes and it feels great to hit I wish I could the attack without riposte because it’s normal attack pattern is very linear and easy to block

[wind dew]

You may think it’s trash but now I will build the ultimate tank without wasting rolls on projectile reduction

[raw frost]

Maybe if you run zwiehander or greatsword its good

[wind dew]

And look drippy

[near pulsar]

RIP BARD

[ornate onyx]

Friends been getting a failure to connect to server message the last couple days he’s reinstalled the game multiple times and verified all files but still nothing, through blacksmith not steam if that matters at all

[raw frost]

How do I become a tank with high damage?

Should I focus of armor rate and vigor and strength on my pieces?

[hasty pumice]

How does the scaling work for druid spells? If it scales 0.25 with a 12 second duration, how much additional healing would 8 add magical healing actually give?

[wind dew]

10 per

[devout notch]

This levy guy might be the single most annoying individual on the planet. You know how when youre at an event with your buds and their kids are trying to interrupt you like crazy. Like MOM MOM MOM MOM.

Hes like that except 40.

[plain fox]

IS there any updated interactive dark & darker map?

[brisk urchin]

yo ever since this last update my game is unplayable because of the lag

[lapis quest]

You get 2 more healing

[brisk urchin]

anyone else getting insane stutters and lag since update yesterday?

[lapis quest]

Darkanddarkertracker.com

[raw frost]

Does zwiehander have ripose

[hasty pumice]

2 more healing total after 12 seconds, or 2 more per tick?

[jagged kelp]

I suspect it's another issue of "too many people are having fun in this game mode, we need to make it less appealing so Norms/HR isn't completely dead"

Squires was already a bloodbath, people weren't holding hands and clearing the map together to get free loot. Forcing everyone to go all the way to Inferno before they're able to leave with any loot feels like they're intentionally trying to make the Time/Reward ratio unprofitable so people stop playing Squires and play HR instead.

[plain fox]

Yeah, not that one (sorry, didnt fully explain, my bad). That one is the outdated version without Maelstrom or updated ice cavern etc.

[lapis quest]

It should have it? I used it yesterday

[lapis quest]

2 more in the 12 secs not per tick

[nova onyx]

Bring back random whisper

[plain fox]

omfg, i'm an idi0t. Just seen it, thanks for sharing brother!

[raven hemlock]

yea but they messed with normals the messed now with sq. but maby you are right the just want people to quit the game

[sturdy coral]

this is true for regions and times when there's ppl on. previous to patch ppl were just using it as another free Normal boss

[noble verge]

Yup

[raw frost]

What would be better for a tank? Having agility on armor (taking up a enhance slot) or using the 30% less armor weight (taking up skill slot needed for damage)

[pliant valley]

yeah, i think ur right. Too many ppl were having fun and sometimes making it out with gear. Every major change has to do with forcing ppl towards HR. '

[noble verge]

Why incentivize people to play lower levels when you can punish them for playing the game mode?

[quick fern]

s2r was totally empty on 2nd and 3rd floor it was just free loot simulator if you went red W change

[pliant valley]

HR is dead half the time, and the sweats in there got bored so things had to change to cater to the sweats again

[noble verge]

So fix that don’t totally mess up the game mode lmao

I swear people have the most basic thinking

[quick fern]

they did fix that now you have to go red to survive and it wont be totally empty

if you dont like it just kill yourself to a mob on the first floor

[sturdy coral]

ok so 3x3 goblin caves is next right

[noble verge]

Oh there was a minor problem? Better destroy the whole game mode 😂

[pliant valley]

prob

[hasty pumice]

Sorry to be annoying, I'm building my arena kit so I wanna be sure: what is your level of confidence with that answer? If you're super confident, then I'm not gonna hard focus magical healing in my build

[raven hemlock]

i dont mind hr untill i have the season rewards then i just want to casual kill ppl in sq mode.

[sturdy coral]

balance of risk/reward not minor, one of the core things the devs talk about

[noble verge]

Having less competition on those floors wasn’t some huge issue people were complaining about

Fixing it is fine but offering no extraction on the first floor is big L

[quick fern]

then it wont ever be fixed

w change

[sturdy coral]

because ppl don't complain means it's good for the game? that doesn't make much sense

[pliant valley]

it's not a balance of risk/reward

[raven hemlock]

true but just add maps toghter and you are done when you are the only team add that team to a new lobby where there are more ppl when they go deeper

[nova gyro]

luck finally fixed?

[sturdy coral]

what else would you call it lol lower floors are free its no risk all reward

[noble verge]

Correct it’s not a big issue that required a disruptive change

This is the main complaint from the community forever it seems

[raw frost]

What enchantments increase all around damage reduction??

[raven hemlock]

so true up the anti

[pliant valley]

lower lvls are free bc most of the ppl that joined were looking for a pvp slaughter

there shouldn't even be lower lvls

[noble verge]

Stuff hits harder down there? Bosses have difficulty? Like cmon

[sturdy coral]

it's fucking normals

[noble verge]

Lazy thinking

[sturdy coral]

lmfao why is that lazy thinking prev to patch it was just normals mode

[noble verge]

And you think s2r players are all 2k hr tryhards?

[quick fern]

ghost king is the easiest boss in the game

[raw frost]

What enhance is best for damage reduction

[sturdy coral]

not at all, i play with many new ppl

[jagged kelp]

S2R was my favorite game mode because you got to play all the maps without any of them being dead, the fights were skill based instead of market based, and you could leave and reset after you wiped the lobby if you didn't feel like going down. Having to waste 30+ minutes to leave the dungeon with any loot after you've already killed everyone is not a W change, people are just going to either stop playing or let mobs kill them on the first floor after they're done. If people are opting to die rather than continue playing, the change is not a good one.

[quick fern]

physical damage reduction reduces physical, magical damage reduction reduces magic

[noble verge]

Exactly

[lapis quest]

98% sure

[pliant valley]

s2r was made to lure in ppl looking for EZ loot to be the fodder

[noble verge]

Forcing people down is sooo dumb

[civic lagoon]

So.... luck still broken by my tests...

[raw frost]

Ik that but there is a percent that fighters have

[lapis quest]

How so?

[raw frost]

Is that physical?

[astral delta]

I recently picked this game back up after a long hiatus, do we know when a wipe is coming?

[civic lagoon]

Like, it's not working correctly?

[pliant valley]

april 28th wipe

[quick fern]

i dont know what you mean

[jagged kelp]

End of the month, there's a timer on the Season tab of the main menu

[raw frost]

Ap

[pliant valley]

sorry ganja didn't mean to tag u for that

[lean crest]

You didn't read my original post did you ?

[astral delta]

Thank you

[civic lagoon]

The difference between 0 and 500 luck is non existant

[raw frost]

Does higher ap mean less damage?

[lapis quest]

Ya like what are you looting? Normal chests won't do shit

[civic lagoon]

As per my last message, The difference between 0 and 500 luck is non existant

[quick fern]

skill issue

[lapis quest]

And I'm asking what you are looting

[hardy stump]

nah, not that invested in convo

[civic lagoon]

Gold chests amd lions heads in HR

[quick fern]

does ap mean armor pen ?

[raw frost]

Armor point

[lapis quest]

My friends are hitting piles and have dropped only leg + so far with only 200 luck?

[quick fern]

armor rating gives physical damage reduction

[pliant valley]

ap is agitated prostate

[lean crest]

Fairs

[raw frost]

Also does socketing a gem give a higher number if the piece is epic or something

[lapis quest]

One pulled a chest already and was running a 400 luck kit.

[raw frost]

Like 1% on uncommon but 5% on epic

[quick fern]

no it gives less than if you find an item with it already

[raw frost]

Ah ok

[raw frost]

Tysm

[pliant valley]

i notice a little change sometimes, but my buddy made a 500 luck kit and his luck was the same as my bard with about 200 luck

i think they busted it for 500 luck and u have to find the sweet spot in the middle

[quick fern]

luck is on a curve like other stats and doesnt do much after 300 iirc

[hardy nimbus]

Luck is on curve when it comes to effectivness. 500 luck doesn't mean 5x the 100 luck.

[lean crest]

I've heard luck doesn't affect chest pulls

[pliant valley]

it does though

[lapis quest]

Think at 300 luck it's like a
.25% more for chest or some shit

.05 more at 500

[lean crest]

Idk I heard some mega nerd streamer say it once so idk just hear say

[civic lagoon]

Frankly we will never know since they don't say more than "Fixed it"

They didn't do shit and until they give SOME detail Ill keep assuming the status quo

[pliant valley]

Lol

[near pulsar]

BUFFF BARD

[tardy pelican]

The game is almost full circle now from patch #69 when the game died pretty much LMAO

[tawdry schooner]

why we nerfing jolly time when it’s legit the one good thing bard has lmao

[tardy pelican]

except now we just have -5 hp instead of 15 cause some dumb guy wanted faster ttk. Now gear gap is also squished as well

[quick fern]

op in solo

[tawdry schooner]

ye it was so op that why bard is the least played class in the game

and now gonna be even less

[honest cedar]

Am I missing something, or is the obsidian gear a joke?

[brittle wing]

does warlock's dark reflection cooldown also count as a debuff?

it does, right?

[compact urchin]

luck doesnt work

[edgy sable]

Didnt they just fix it this patch

[obsidian shell]

ye

[brittle wing]

thx

[red lichen]

Legendary patch

[pliant valley]

less ppl on today than yesterday

by a couple thousand

[edgy sable]

Shouldve put in the map genie when they had the chance, I warned em!

[still cypress]

anudda patch, anudda sorcerer nerf to make the game bad

[torpid atlas]

anyone else just freezing in arena?

[dusk meteor]

middle click isnt removing spells

what do I need to do?

[valid yew]

i think you need to hold the spell wheel and then press middle click

[dusk meteor]

ohhh! thanks! I will give that a try

Appreciate you!

[near pulsar]

So real wat the frock are we nerfing bard for

Not no one ever said bard was too strong

[fickle berry]

BUFF BARD

[near pulsar]

BUFF BARD NOW

[quick fern]

everyone in HR knows ale bard was too strong

[edgy sable]

basically

[near pulsar]

🧢

Maybe in solos

[quick fern]

specifically solos

[edgy sable]

Yes

[near pulsar]

Me no play solos

[fickle berry]

Fine but bard is useless in solos without it

[near pulsar]

But ale was the only way to build bard

[edgy sable]

Even then it was so rare I would probably just leave that build in there boo hoo he's drinking ale

[fickle berry]

So give them something else lol

Like bard is only useful in BIS, which isn’t really fair because the same goes for every class lol

[near pulsar]

^

I’m saying

[quick fern]

bards the best class to be a squire

[edgy sable]

That being said I think we all know sorc needed a nasty nerf

[near pulsar]

U clearly haven’t met a barbarian

[fickle berry]

You’re joking

Bard is useless in squire

[wraith egret]

so many trolls and griefers in solo que arena

so cringe

[near pulsar]

So true

[wraith egret]

i wish there would be a way to avoid these individuals

[fickle berry]

Every class should be at least capable in squire solos, they should just tune down the power creep in gear

[near pulsar]

Bard is a straight pve class now rip

[quick fern]

the whole game is about putting on better gear

[fickle berry]

Gear should ofc make you stronger, but not EXPONENTIALLY so so that certain classes in squire are genuinelyuseless

[edgy sable]

totally agree, the game is about gear diffing people and pretending youre not (thats why streamers love it)

[near pulsar]

BUFF BARD

[fickle berry]

It’s so awful for casual enjoyers lol

[quick fern]

you can win with good purples vs anyone

[fickle berry]

Dude nope lol

[edgy sable]

he thinks you can win with purples vs the 500k god kit!

[quick fern]

i know i can unless theyre running a named gear diff isnt that big

[fickle berry]

All classes should be marginally strong in squire, and then gear is just tuned down A LITTLE, so that yes the game is still about gear but there’s also skill expression and it’s significantly easier for the casual enjoyer

There’s no way this is a hot take

[quick fern]

you can always play s2r where theres no gear diff

if you believe gear diff is actually that big

[fickle berry]

s2r is only random trios

[swift ether]

What does everyone think of the demigod reward

[fickle berry]

And now it’a psuedo battle royale lol

And also even so certain classes are still weak af in s2r

[fickle berry]

This is not a crazy ask i promise you

[pliant valley]

is the demigod reward a cosmetic for bandage?

[smoky jungle]

real

[pliant valley]

20 min Q time and counting

[swift ether]

Yes

[pliant valley]

hmm

[swift ether]

Figured wed get a cool weapon skin or emote

[pliant valley]

got prayer.....

LOL

the necrotic imp looks different

[slow grail]

The imp skin is crazy

[shrewd trout]

anyone tried new Luck? anything?

[pliant valley]

i wish the torches were green, =p

maybe next time

[slow grail]

bandage skin is wild for a top rank reward

[devout hull]

it looks green to me?

[slow grail]

nnot hard to get obv but still

[devout hull]

ah desc says yellow

[pliant valley]

it's hard for new players that don't know anything yet

[slow grail]

Youtube

[frail merlin]

Or get some assistance from the Knights in the Hall of Knights discord to learn.

[pliant valley]

LUL

that's kind of a joke right?

[pallid hemlock]

right on the nose for boof and goofer

[pliant valley]

schedule a meeting and then schedule a gametime to play.... cmon

if knights worked better it would be more appelling

[slow grail]

sry but if you need someone to hold your hand through a video game this isnt for you

[pliant valley]

appealling

[pallid hemlock]

nope, thats genuinely how conditioned this community is

[devout hull]

what would you want them to change to help?

[pliant valley]

don't assume it's me i'm talking about. i have 5 demigod characters.

[pliant valley]

having knights logged in and ready to play would be the best. not having to schedule times for gameplay. It should be there for use when a player needs it or maybe just not be there. it's a really weird way to offer help imo

[devout hull]

i mean with the game itself, knights thing is just a volunteer system no? kind of a big ask for the volunteers to just be sitting on standby all the time

[pliant valley]

then remove it

volunteers can be found ingame if it's up to randomness of availability

[devout hull]

remove it from where

[pliant valley]

from existance

[devout hull]

isn't it a community creation?

[pliant valley]

it does the same thing as LFG

i don't believe it is, since they earn shards

[devout hull]

well, i think originally it was unless im mistaken. i think IM just endorsed it with an ingame button and shards i guess? i duno, the button seems to be gone now unless only squire accounts see it or something

[pliant valley]

u can turn options on or off for it in menu

[devout hull]

ah

i mean, i guess they could remove it, im not sure that really helps anyone though

[pliant valley]

i'm just trying to say it's as useful or useless as using LFG or just finding random ppl ingame

[swift grove]

"If I cant do the thing I want RIGHT NOW nobody should get to do the thing EVER" is weird dude. Just schedule the knight

[devout hull]

well randoms aren't always going to be willing to help new players out, or even necessarily be experienced themselves. you might get lucky now and then but i guess the knight system is just an option for people who want it, i don't think it really hurts anything by existing

[swift grove]

knights are knowledgeable volunteers; either use their help at their availability or don't

[charred gale]

WHAT THE FUCK THESE SEASONAL REWARDS ARE ASSSSSSSS

[devout hull]

a basic ingame tutorial might be useful i guess, but i think most of the game just gets learned by playing and making mistakes

[pliant valley]

no it's not hurting anything, Lol i guess saying remove it was extreme. but u asked what could be changed and i offered opinions and still met questions of why. I felt more explanation was going to lead to more questions and just offered an end rebutle

[mild nimbus]

Anyone confirm luck is better?

[devout hull]

ironmace confirmed it

trust

[charred gale]

first time getting demigod and the rewards are so fucking awful

torch and bandy skins

like what

[wary agate]

what if the imp skin is short like dwarf

[swift grove]

demigod reward has been awful since season 1

pathfinder is the good one

[devout hull]

i like some of the demigod ones

[charred gale]

i thought they were alright too wtf

[pliant valley]

demigod should be the character skins

[charred gale]

^^^^

everyone who played HR like three times gets the skin

[devout hull]

i liked season 1, 3, 5, and 6 demi rewards personally

[pliant valley]

LUL

[charred gale]

very disappointing

[fringe inlet]

is the frame for arena a nameplate cosmetic or something?

[pliant valley]

maybe there will be some visual effects of green fumes permeating from the bandages when u use them

that would be cool

[devout hull]

i hope it doubles bandage healing

[trail depot]

im so glad i didnt miss out on frost walker or nightmare skeleton but to this day im upset i didnt play to get nightmare crossbowman

[charred gale]

the gilded skely is cool too

[devout hull]

yeah i missed out on og nightmare skele, i got the archer but i like skele more, i also missed skele mage which is sadge

[swift grove]

season 1 was dope. season 3's demi reward you can barely see unless a teammate has to interact with your heart. season 5 is a great PVE emote, and season 6 had an actual decent reward

[trail depot]

i got back into the game last season and didn’t realize skele mage was exclusive to the season, sad i missed that too

[swift grove]

got my path and demi rewards confused on s1 there

[trail depot]

fr i still use nightmare skelly for squire and frost walker for hr

[devout hull]

the heart was more cool at the time because it was the only heart skin, but yeah there's so many now it's kinda w/e i guess, i still use it tho

[swift grove]

you dont have nightmare mummy or dex cat?

[zenith lily]

Anyone know why my chat text randomly changes to letters I never typed?

[trail depot]

i have both but i like the swag

[vivid moon]

i dont get it. now in s2r u have to go all levels straight to inferno and only there u can escape trough blue portal? what if all teams die on first level, i still need to go through all levels till inferno? or what if not all the teams die but few left and we will not even meat each other to the end? its a pve mode now??

[swift grove]

yes, but PVE mode where you have to turbo clear inferno to have a hope at those portals

[trail depot]

s2r has continuous dungeon i thought?

or whatever they call it when they merge lobbies when going down

[swift grove]

I ran 5 games last night without a single name on killfeed in inferno

theres continuous, but you can't tell

[vivid moon]

ooooh. so portals there appear not near last team?

[thin patio]

@zinc sparrow the fuck are we doing patch notes don't say a FUCKING THING about magical healing

actually fucking sabotaging the game

[swift grove]

one stack of 3 portals will spawn in the final circle. the circle closes on a random location. if the portals spawn on a module with verticality on the wrong floor, you're dead to swarm damage even if the module is clear

[vivid moon]

oh i see. good. so they reuined thiis mode

[swift grove]

yes

[devout hull]

tbh it's been like this for a couple weeks now, i almost never see people past ruins. but i think s2r is maybe fully dead now with the new changes

[thin patio]

hit a warlock for 3 headshots he lives he phantomizes and flamewakes me for half my hp in 2 secs

[sturdy coral]

from what I’ve played it’s busier than ever lol

[thin patio]

he full resets in 1 second with hydra lifedrain

[fluid citrus]

you guys have a bug updating the game?

[pliant valley]

i only ever used s2r for Faustian Bargains

[thin patio]

1k dmg 2k healing

[swift grove]

I extracted from inferno in one of my 5 S2R games... most of the time I ran out of time trying to solo clear to the portals in time. once they spawned above me forcing me to run through swarm to get to it. RIP

[sturdy coral]

low key even better for it now, players are rushed

[devout hull]

first floor feels roughly the same, lower floors still dead, it's also a brand new change people are trying out, it will be even more dead when people get tired of it

[sturdy coral]

first floor is way more chaotic from what I played earlier. in the 10-20 rounds, only a handful of people are surviving for the down portals

[proper kindle]

yeah dont get this vile squire animals out of hr

that just ruin the game and dont do anything

[thin patio]

holy fucking shit paul do something about the magical healing are we intentionally ruining the state of the game

[vivid moon]

w8 why u was solo?

[swift grove]

instant queues. I'd rather solo than play with random timmies that aren't down with my game plan

[devout hull]

it's slightly more chaotic because you can't leave circle, everyone just gets forced together a little quicker, but after that intial fight is over there's really nothing left to do on any floor, and there are no blues so a lot of people just run into swarm or leave

[pliant valley]

they prob did fk up s2r bc HR ppl crying there isn't enough to kill in there. i almost guarantee it.

[swift grove]

HR is cooked until people have to run gear there. and im not talking about "gearscore" that was a shitty bandaid

force players to equip an epic or higher grade item in every slot besides sash and util

[pliant valley]

yea, i squire gear all the time in HR

[tardy sail]

is there not going to be a cosmetic quest for goblin/collector this time around?

[pliant valley]

LUL

[swift grove]

HR = S2R without the stupid circle

[tardy sail]

how is this not the gearscore solution? i will just buy the cheapest epic gear for every slot off the market

[pliant valley]

but still.. i think trying to force ppl to do something they don't want to do has proven it's point over the years. and that's why this game is so low pop

[devout hull]

the problem is arena imo, but i feel like we're stuck with it at this point

[swift grove]

good. you drive cost of those shitty epics up, and scrap in the process. players are now excited to loot your corpse. beats squire shit

[tardy sail]

this didnt happen with gearscore though, everything in my inventory is going to be worth vendor price, youll be more annoyed to loot my corpse because its not just a 'squire gear' check, youll have to look at everything

[pliant valley]

over 40 min waiting for team members in ice caverns

[swift grove]

with gearscore you didnt even hold the items. you queued with 4 ceremonial staffs, dropped them at your spawn, and went about your way. if you're wearing purples you're not dropping them

[pliant valley]

Q time is talking shit this morning

[devout hull]

do people even queue autofill outside adventure/s2r?

[swift grove]

also its kinda the point to have players take pause at your corpse to evaluate the items. if they know everything is shit at a glance, theres no emotional payoff for killing you

[pliant valley]

THANK YOU IM!! For ur Pro choices that hurt the community. 🤷‍♂️

[tardy sail]

its worth vendor pricing though, if you want an inventory full of epic gear open a single flat chest; they would never do this for jewelry either because nobody will be able to play HR at the start or they will devalue jewelery again and make epic rings super common in which case opening the flat chest is more gold per hour for you anyway

[mighty aurora]

So whats luck like now since they fixed it being 10% effective?

[swift grove]

punctuate please

[thin patio]

HOLY SHIT @zinc sparrow HIRE ME FOR BALANCING TEAM i think the last guy died or something fire him

[tardy sail]

youll never get what you want, gear score or any gear restrictions will just make the majority of the player base never touch HR

[pliant valley]

nobody is looking for grammar police here

[swift grove]

sure thing bro

[pliant valley]

agreed

[swift grove]

checked your post history. bye troll

[devout hull]

i would be more open to hr purples if arena didnt already artificially inflate their prices

[pliant valley]

keep adding restrictions and watch ppl vanish

ppl want freedom, not restriction

[soft gust]

Are the obsidian cloaks out yet?

[tawdry schooner]

rip bard even more

[devout hull]

only weapons as far as i can tell

[pliant valley]

there's always going to be discontent as long as changes keep being made.

[tawdry schooner]

just delete the class it’s officially useless

[devout hull]

what'd they do to bard

[soft gust]

Some of the armor is out

[pliant valley]

when the game is finished maybe it can grow again

[devout hull]

which one?

[pliant valley]

50 minute wait for ice caverns. Looks like it's another solo match again

[soft gust]

The cleric knowledge plate chest whatever its called

[full plaza]

Should I use barbarian as a beginner if my teammate is also using barbarian

[devout hull]

only cleric obsidian chest is champ armour and i see none on market

[soft gust]

There was 2 earlier

[elfin fern]

squires to riches is cooked, reverse the changes

[pliant valley]

^

[fickle berry]

Is luck actually working now?,

[willow brook]

Stop nerf bard pls

[devout hull]

yeah i agree, they did say it was a test of sorts and may get changed/reverted so there's hope at least

[willow brook]

as a 1700 + hour bard player Ive to say just delate this class

[devout hull]

did they nerf bard? i didn't see it, what was the change

[willow brook]

speed reduce when drink ale

[swift grove]

all they did was make ale have a MS penalty like other consumables lol

bard is fine

[lyric bough]

is the special modifier for obsidian really just projectile damage reduction 🙄

[devout hull]

i think it's just literally during the drink animation lol

[willow brook]

but why purge shot can destory all my buffs

[elfin fern]

if it's the same ms reduce as other consumables it means whenever you have the thing out plus another loss when using

[willow brook]

how can i fight to rangers this time

so painful, painful game

[swift grove]

it always had the -10 when you held it, the only change is now you slow down to drink it

[elfin fern]

for the same reason spell predation remove all your buffs; ironmace thinks bard was a mistake

[willow brook]

true

[zenith lily]

WHAT IS THIS BUG BROTHER, dude do not block with bardiche, I just got insta killed blocking a frozen spider

[willow brook]

Bard always be nerfed since season 8

[zenith lily]

I blocked it and it just spammed me with dmg

[willow brook]

just guess which class always need to jump and switch items, rely on max health and action speed

so hard to guess...

[willow brook]

same bug for traps on season #7

[torpid atlas]

can they fix the god damn crashing in arena already

every other game

[zenith lily]

So annoying, I'm not sure if it was the ice spider or blocking but like literally just took ticks of 20% of my hp in 1 second

[torpid atlas]

why spectating i crash

[pliant valley]

ice kobold archer and axeman just killed jay234. first time i have ever seen two mobs kill the same person in the kill feed

[vale quest]

What build are u going on warlock for pve bossing and stuff like that ? cant seem to find something that is from this season

[willow brook]

lol, enjoy this painful game, thats our grace

[sullen thorn]

Is unique arena going to be a thing this wipe?

[torpid atlas]

crashed 2x in one arena fk arena this week

[willow brook]

whatever perks u want, try to keep distance and get health back

I rather spend my relax time on discord than play a bard in arena, kite all the game and be killed by magic redation and purge shot like a clown

[granite bluff]

As toxic as it may seem, pulling both worms to the bridge in Ruins in norms and then dying so you can Faustian and watch the world burn is hella fun gameplay lmao

[pliant valley]

Lul

[cunning sleet]

are the obsidian armor quests like really hard to do? I dont see any obsidian armor on the market

[pliant valley]

the bonus stats r shit

[granite bluff]

Obsidian is just weapon crafts? Or is there armor too?

Honestly didnt look that hard after i saw +projectile dmg on it haa

[sonic maple]

So can bards not sprint away chugging ale now

[pliant valley]

GG IM it's now a solo game unless u byoF

[willow brook]

true

[indigo valve]

They nerfed the only thing that class had going for it lol

Crazy af

[willow brook]

true

No idea on how to play a bard now

[fickle berry]

BUFF BARD

[cunning sleet]

can you craft them? Ill pay anyone to craft me a peice

[willow brook]

true!!!

buff bard pls

at least remove bard buffs form purge shot

[cunning sleet]

then it would be useless

[willow brook]

only 2 bard players on war god rank now

[pliant valley]

the only thing i can queue for is s2r and it only had 2 teams in it...Wtf?

everything else is over 20 miinute queue

Lol and then the DC

Bye bye DaD

https://tenor.com/view/freddie-mercury-another-one-bites-gif-15132770

[willow brook]

will Ironmace see our feedback here？

How to connect with them

[edgy sable]

Ironmace can't see that's why they don't have a vision. Boom roasted!

[astral atlas]

holy fuck the ale nerf is huge it was so busted

[willow brook]

The vison-less is not about the eyes

I believe its about the brain

[quick fern]

no

[edgy sable]

Yes they will greysun comes in here and steals ideas

[astral atlas]

i mean they have responded to people in here, they might glance over this chat once in a blue moon lol

[edgy sable]

He's like "What if I put in fall damage", stole that one from me greysun

[willow brook]

any way to connect them like other, normal games?

any way to talk with offical like other, normal games?

[pliant valley]

i honestly believe they are trying to kill the game off

like truly

[tawdry schooner]

the ale was rly rly good but now the class is pointless

[willow brook]

nerf every class with no reason

[tawdry schooner]

least played class in the game

let’s take the one thing that makes them kinda playable

[pliant valley]

i play bard without ale and do ok for me

[tawdry schooner]

why

[willow brook]

whats ur rank in arena

[pliant valley]

high mobility

[tawdry schooner]

like why not just play fighter if ur not using ale xD

[pliant valley]

lol

[tawdry schooner]

better mobility on fighter

same weapons

more pdr

better perks and skills

more hp

[willow brook]

less class discrimination

people in party lobby even don't want play with me when they see a bard now

[quick fern]

no game company talks to anyone

[edgy sable]

i love that sorc nerf

[willow brook]

Idk， but I believe most of them have away to get players feedback

[willow brook]

still op

[edgy sable]

maybe we gotta nerf em a bit more!

[icy halo]

i just got booted out of the game

server crash?

[wind marsh]

WARNINGS FOR SQR

WARNING: The circle kills you in actually 4 seconds flat.
WARNING: There is a single triple blue at the bottom of inferno and that's it

No time to rez, no time to take a piss, no time to do anything. They were so close to greatness. :\

[edgy sable]

no time to piss!

thats a violation of OSHA standards

[azure pond]

Bards feel fine

[wind marsh]

Yeah I'm getting the "abnormal disconnection from client" when I try to queue.

[prisma horizon]

skill issue , who play dark and darker without piss jar

[wind marsh]

Anyone else getting that?

[edgy sable]

Increase the match time to account for piss breaks, vote me for dev to see these kinds of changes!

[azure pond]

Some of the best players in the world play bard anyways

[cunning sleet]

piss break que

[sonic maple]

They aren't true gamer

[azure pond]

Did they change the arena to stop boosting?

Because isnt boosting gonna still happen lol

[edgy sable]

ACCOUNT = RANK. FIXED BOOM AND ROASTED.

[sonic maple]

Yup and win trading

[trail depot]

piss pants queue

[uneven cairn]

who you talk to for permanent ban?

[raw frost]

Will looted enchantments always be greater than socketed enchantments

I read the wiki and I cant tell

[trail depot]

an employer near you

[frail merlin]

you would put in a ban appeal on the Dark and Darker website.

[uneven cairn]

i meant temporary

[trail depot]

yes max roll unsocketed is always higher than max socket roll

[frail merlin]

Temp ones you cant appeal, i believe is what the screen says until the investigation is over.

[raw frost]

Then what is the point of socketing gems?

[uneven cairn]

investigation :))))

[trail depot]

getting use out of previously dead rolls on items

[sturdy coral]

raise the floor of bad gear

yea bros right makes something usable

[trail depot]

wsg cquinn

[sturdy coral]

😎 it’s all good today

[trail depot]

🔥

[livid onyx]

The class that opens doors with doot doots? They'll be just fine

[trail depot]

my duo has been running bard nearly all wipe w/o jolly time and we’ve been clearing, it’ll be fine lol

[raw frost]

What is a wipe?

You loose all loot?

And ur stuck with your class?

[livid onyx]

Pick solos, the queue will be instant

[trail depot]

loot, character level, extra stashes

[pliant valley]

i Q up for s2r and we're the only team in the map

...

[raw frost]

Thats depressing

[trail depot]

nah it keeps it fresh, trust

[pliant valley]

and they both died to the ring

it's all mine now

LOL

[raw frost]

But i always work so hard for my items

Plus there are items with memories attached to them

Like this one rogue that gave me my now most used sword

[trail depot]

believe me man ive given up artifacts on wipe, if they never wiped then everybody would be giga juiced all the time

would be half impossible to break into the game as a new player

[raw frost]

100% but why not have the ability to look at past inventories?

If the wipe is going to occur

[trail depot]

that might be kinda cool, though i think the seasonal leaderboard is enough for most

[raw frost]

I dont want to loose special sword :<

[trail depot]

maybe just keep a record for urself

[swift ether]

Screen shot it yourself

[raw frost]

Bc it was funny, literally "kajiit brings you wares for free!"

[raw frost]

Mk, but the most pain is not being able to use it

Because its so strong

And so much memorie

[unique locust]

wanted to play arena today realized 10 out of 10 games was nothing but healer teams busted gamemode

[trail depot]

at least u have teammates to play with lol ive never touched arena to this day because im not gonna solo/duo queue

[nova gyro]

is luck finally usable:

[pliant valley]

it must be like 90% solos rn with less than 4k players on steam

[elfin fern]

wonder how much the squires changes impacted this

[near pulsar]

Had a great thought of for jolly time they should add to the perk it reduces ms when drinking ale

[pliant valley]

there's only like 1-3 teams in squires rn

[raw frost]

I think I know what im going to do about the sword

[pliant valley]

that's including the one ur in

[jagged kelp]

The items aren't yours, they belong to the dungeon, you're just borrowing them.

[raw frost]

Ooo that makes it so much more fun

Like they rot outside of the dungeon

[swift ether]

Ehat are the new obsidian weapons and their unique skill

[raw frost]

And all of the things we gather rot away at the end of the season

[raw frost]

Projectile damage reduction

I will take a picture of the sword the friendly kajiit gave me

Then I will always go for those stats on one copy of the sword

So I can always have the memory

[pliant valley]

LUL

[raw frost]

What funny?

[night citrus]

the cheaters out in full tonight

[feral karma]

Do you have any clips, or videos of that?

[raw frost]

Has anyone tried running their cleric as a rogue?

[night citrus]

of course I do

[raw frost]

Im curious to know how it would go or had gone

How do I gain access to the other channels?

I would like access to the cleric channel

Found it

[full atlas]

yo they really fucked up squire to riches mode

[raw frost]

Sorry all am kinda new to diacord

[raw frost]

100%

[feral karma]

Can I see them?

[smoky ruin]

Are they working on new classes? I heard they were working on the monk class next and that was a year ago

[feral karma]

Monk class is next, it was delayed.

[smoky ruin]

Ty bro

[willow brook]

buff bard psl

buff bard pls

[smoky ruin]

isnt bard strong lmao they have to nerf it all the time

[raw frost]

Can someone help me make a fighter loadout that can run fast for resource gathering?

I can dm specifics of the loadout

[smoky ruin]

Naked and pickaxe only

[raw frost]

No cloth armor with speed enhancement?

[tribal walrus]

what is even the point anymore. I just spent 3 hours grinding a kit looking for keys and hitting piles all for some loser ranger in FULL UNIQUEs to sit on the ledge in bridge room with the torches off watching the red gate to shoot people in the head as they are standing still opening the gate. so glad we removed the cowards running into red only to create a whole new breed of cowards that sit in the dark and wait for you to stand still for 5 seconds

[raw frost]

And arrow protection?

[charred scaffold]

Really wish we had solo Zero to Hero man getting qued with randoms is so weak

[fickle berry]

This

[kindred raft]

yall been getting artfacts from bosses got over 60 kills an got nothin

[feral karma]

Can I see them?

[hidden latch]

I like the new s2r, the portal changes are great and it's nice having fights that aren't just on the bridge, but the rounds feel too short, there's no time to loot so it's just killing people in squire kit to get more meds to kill another squire kit

[tribal walrus]

its not like we can have the crows get mad at you if you stand on the ledge for more than 10 seconds, nah that'd be too intelligent. Unique windless ranger exit camping with true shot is SDFs vision

[willow brook]

BUFF BARD pls

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17932872175128565830/415C172BF1987C9C0B8D1BEC40B55E9DEA89BE8B/

what can i do in this case

[livid onyx]

@silver smelt Camping static exits already happens rn

[next dove]

Bardiche still stacks with ace perks right?

[willow brook]

be killed like a clown

[next dove]

Axe**

[queen acorn]

what fighter build should i make for solos

[noble verge]

Yeah it’s fine except there should be a set of blues and reds on every floor

And a little more time on later circles

[silent crater]

crypt floor 4?

[next dove]

Bardiche still works for axe spec right?

[sturdy coral]

I’m dyin at this bc why did you peek the ranger then surrender 😭😂

[livid onyx]

Yeah squire to riches should have blue portals on every floor as well, forcing a full 3 layer commitment is too much.

[noble verge]

Yeah honestly that would be pretty dope

You can fight for exit or fight to go down

[tribal walrus]

if its happening why not take measures to prevent it. How simple would it be to add more light in those areas or have the birds attack you for staying there (a feature already in the game). or we just dont care about the already dwindling player count. cause the 3x ive been instantly killed because some neck beard wants to sit in the dark and wait for people at the exit really makes me wanna que up again let me tell you

[silent crater]

you can use wasd keys

[willow brook]

dude

im be freezed

and reduce speed by ale

[silent crater]

why would u peek the ranger then stand and surrender

[silent crater]

ale = trash

[willow brook]

stop play barb pls

[silent crater]

im a bard main

[willow brook]

ale is the only way to make bard useful

i dont think so

[silent crater]

your ragebait wont work on me

[willow brook]

do I ragebait on u?

for what?

[silent crater]

there are lots of more useful perks

instead of ale

[willow brook]

add 10 strength to barb?

[wild scaffold]

what is headshot bonus max?

[silent crater]

strenght doesnt do anything on bard

[willow brook]

whats ur rank in arena with bard?

[silent crater]

will that justify your horrendous takes

[willow brook]

dude i mean ragebait barb and add it 10 stength

[willow brook]

what i say

[silent crater]

barbarian is overpowered and nerfs for him are good

[trim fern]

dam whyd they nerf fighter with that shield mastery change

[willow brook]

holy... bro dont be so hostile

[willow brook]

barb's rage goes in your mind

[silent crater]

so in your opinion who would win

[willow brook]

I was #196 bard

[silent crater]

a bard with full eq of ale or other bard with a perk advantage

[sturdy coral]

it's such a funny clip bc they're down 0-2 so you KNOW it's just full tilt off a cliff

[silver smelt]

lets make it more of a problem

[willow brook]

no time on word trap with u

[vast jewel]

wow and i was #345 thief

[hallow sinew]

will barb get buff?

[willow brook]

0 idea why u so rude

[silent crater]

its not meant to be rude

am not offending you mate

[willow brook]

if i dont peek and get info who will do

wiz?

thats the only thing a bard can do

[willow brook]

fine, let is pass;)

[tulip pine]

this game should just be re-named door and doorer

[raw frost]

Is there ever such a thing as too many clerics?

[livid onyx]

It'd be less of a problem if there are more places to extract/ delve deeper. Rn it's a 50/50 shot that whatever red you camp is the right one.

[livid onyx]

I'm down for those areas having better visibility

[next dove]

Bardiche still works for axe spec right?

[silent crater]

yes

[balmy ledge]

Squire to riches? More like Squire to NO TIME TO LOOT FOR SHIT. Thanks for ruining the best mode, ironfarce

[elfin fern]

squires to riches is cooked, reverse the changes

[silent crater]

nah

its a good change

in my opinion

[elfin fern]

for meat grinder fans it's great i guess

[pliant valley]

they want to force the pvp more in s2r, for i don't know why. it already was best place to go train for pvp and do faustian bargains

[balmy ledge]

You must be someone who never makes it to the gold piles. I'm sure of it.

[silent crater]

i do

[livid onyx]

How long is the duration of the match?

[silent crater]

matter of fact i killed u couple of times

[elfin fern]

or always does, this change only benefits masochists and top 1% pvpers

[pliant valley]

if u want gold piles and are willing to engage in pvp then go do HR

it's better loot than s2r

[elfin fern]

hr is cancer though

[livid onyx]

Pretty sure that was the goal of this patch, to get people playing the real game, not the battle royal mode.

[elfin fern]

norms is also cancer just stage 2 instead of stage 4

[silent crater]

i dont even know if i have it clipped

ill look

[pliant valley]

most of this community is cancer

what's left of it atleast

[wicked tusk]

anyone VC not working since the patch?

[elfin fern]

ok, but s2r would have at least given a break from that if they just left it the fuck alone for a change no one wanted

[livid onyx]

What community of a competitive game isnt?

[silent crater]

its a pvp module

[elfin fern]

we used to have white lobbies, and then they just started calling it a "battle mode" this season

literally nothing is improved by this except having a meat grinder in squire kits every floor which, why wouldn't you just do the old way and spam blue

[pliant valley]

we got longer queue times from this patch too

[silent crater]

eddie its a great module to train pvp because everyone has the same gear

thats why they call it a battle mode

[trim fern]

are they ever gonna do a goood barb nerf

[silent crater]

and you have the fortnite storm

to force fights

[wicked tusk]

anyone ingame comms not working?

[livid onyx]

Wdym?

[elfin fern]

cool, and that's literally the same as it was before only now there is no flexibility with what you do once you're in the lobby, and that sucks

[trim fern]

like nerf it a lot

[sonic maple]

You wish you could loot more or what

[livid onyx]

The nerfed barb by proxy by making everyone have more health, and reduced barbs bonus health by 2% from robust, everyone is tankier and barb lost 2% life. That makes barbs job harder because they'll take the same poke before getting in range and still have to deal 10 more damage to kill their target.

[elfin fern]

yes, wipe lobby and/or go down for chill loot time in other maps. it's not like i wasn't pvping in there i just hate when that's the only option

[trim fern]

but barb also gets 10hp

[silent crater]

If you want flexibility go into a normal

and pray that there wont be blue gear maxxers

[trim fern]

so all it loses is 2% on robust perk

[silent crater]

or if you wanna loot just go to pve

[elfin fern]

so you agree that this is a worse experience for me

[sonic maple]

Loot on hr it's faster or go norms it's easier. Bring a luck pot. 📈 profit 📈

[silent crater]

You made it a module for looting "without" losing anything but it was intended to be a battle module

just go to pve

[elfin fern]

i have my demi, i'm just gonna quit. i don't want to play gear lobbies or pve just to get viable bank

[quick fern]

why do u need gold if u just play squire

[livid onyx]

Yeah but they don't have extra damage, everyone now lives more hits and barb being mostly full melee will now have a harder time finishing kills off, Berserker lost 10% damage, rage lost 5 strength and 15 vigor. They lost a lot of survivability.

[sonic maple]

Ya im confused most peeps didn't loot in s2r

[elfin fern]

i keep playing with the idea of buying arena bis, but the truth is that i'm a hoarder

[silent crater]

its not that hard to make 20k gold in a single wipe

to get arena kit

[sonic maple]

Arena bis is hoarding

[livid onyx]

Yeah I'm glad they put emphasis on the looting of S2R, it ended up just being a battle for common meds.

[elfin fern]

let me tell you how i played this mode:

• 3s? fight other teams, once wiped go spectral/rusty. go down always, max cash or fight any other teams
• solo? run past the teams all fighting in mid, do bosses, get mad cash from cloth/pelt

there was a great niche there that is now gone for no reason whatsoever except to push people like me into gear lobby or pve

[sonic maple]

Funny how arena is the straight up most pay to win mode with never ending kits feels natural in an extraction game

[sonic maple]

You can boss in norms it's pretty dead

[warped plover]

normals bosses / their piles cant drop artifacts right?

[quick fern]

there shouldnt be free loot simulators in the game

[livid onyx]

Is the spectral knight not in Squire to riches?

[quick fern]

even pve mode shouldnt drop loot imo

[silent crater]

in my opinion pve mode shouldnt allow you to get any loot

[balmy ledge]

HR is free loot simulator. Ever went in as rogue and just picked shit up for free? LOL

[livid onyx]

I'm fine with the current PvE loot, you need a lot of luck to make money, and pelt/ fabric drops is 5% chance 1/20 kills vs HR 1/5 kills

[sonic maple]

Or never ending kits tbh

[elfin fern]

you act like normals can't be a free loot simulator if you just pick the right region/lobby/map. the point is that there was flexibility and now there no longer is

[elfin fern]

of course, what i'm saying is that these were things i could do before today, and no longer can

[balmy ledge]

His argument against anything you've said is so invalid/irrelvant.

[quick fern]

bring back region lock too

[sonic maple]

How is that different from old s2r so why still mad there's not redundant modes

[quick fern]

theyre mad they cant go red and loot up 2 empty maps

[sonic maple]

Oooo with decent loot too

[balmy ledge]

The best thing to do in S2R right now is to steal one of the final portals as rogue and then watch one of the last players just die. LMAO

[sonic maple]

Never thought of that it's like better pve

[quick fern]

yeah every boss and pile is free with better loot

[sonic maple]

Lol 😆

[warm ingot]

SOMEHOW WE STILL DONT HAVE AN ARMING SWORD CRAFT

[queen hornet]

How do I report a t8 for immediately team killing and calling us racial slurs I have proof.

[elfin fern]

norms has a bunch of padding modules, blue minmaxers, and it doesn't have hr "layout" if you understand what i mean. fewer ore spawns different monsters

it's also "too" dead iirc, it's just the wrong balance of things

[fervent anvil]

cutlass cooler

[wicked tusk]

and its not even saturday

[sonic maple]

It had fewer ore spawns!?! OK that needed to go

[warm ingot]

arming sword is an og weapon though

[warm ingot]

escape-support

[fervent anvil]

just cause its og doesnt mean it needs a craft. + it will prob get one eventually

also cutlass cooler

[silent crater]

pve is too broken to grind rn you get more than full loot of golden pile on hr

[sonic maple]

Idk if people bringing picks into s2r are playing the right mode

[elfin fern]

i could be totally wrong but i think since s2r used the hr map "layout" there were more rocks in s2r and fewer on norms. i swear but cant confirm they used to have more ores in each rock on s2r as well, but patched that out

[balmy ledge]

Cool opinion, I guess.

[sonic maple]

Does not seem intended fren

[elfin fern]

i'm telling you, there was not a better feeling than wipe lobby and then cool down by filling your bag, now that is dead

[quick fern]

norms and s2r should have the same loot im psure

just not static maps

[elfin fern]

now you go to blue and youre either in dead lobby or sweating for your life against 20k minmax blue kit

do you see the problem, do you see the problem, do you see the problem

[warm ingot]

bro what are you talking about.

[sonic maple]

I'd rather have it be br sim non redundant non abusable more fun faster

[sonic maple]

Cool opinion, I guess.

[elfin fern]

but it was already that. you could literally just unga bunga mid or graveyard and then take blue

[fervent anvil]

talking about the cutlass being better then the arming sword

[warm ingot]

All the more reason to give arming sword a craft... make it "cooler"

[elfin fern]

like, it is fixing something that wasn't broken, except for the people like qwerty who want everyone to be either top 1% or miserable for their gold

[sonic maple]

Sounds fun But you could just go down for free better pve

[fervent anvil]

nah. giving it a craft wont make it cooler. giving it a purple artifact would tho

[silent crater]

the purple weapons are basically useless just look cool

[elfin fern]

which is totally fine and no different than norms except for possibility of roaming boss

[warm ingot]

give it +1 magic damage so people stop running demons glee rapier. 👿

[quick fern]

when people buy a hardcore game and complain its too hardcore

[elfin fern]

and the padding modules in norms

[elfin fern]

IT'S LITERALLY WHITE LOBBY YOU TIT. we didn't have ANY of the nonsense they added today or a circle

and the game was fine

[grand fossil]

did they not mention in the patch notes that the zone in squire to riches does a ton of damage now or did I miss that

[devout hull]

i didnt see the mention, but yea it does 10 per tick now

[quick fern]

thanks everyone likes tits

[devout hull]

s2r kinda ruined now, it's really just a mindless run it down mid simulator now with no point beyond the first 2 mins of the game

[waxen totem]

as usual they don't understand their own game.

95% of s2r players play it as a replacement for arena while arena is down, or if they prefer equal white gear fighting.

they run it down mid and fight to the death and go next.

almost no one has any desire to go down to castle or inferno, they just want to smash into each other and fight and die

[queen hornet]

Thank you!

[quick fern]

you can still do that

the only people that it hurts were the people farming empty crypts and inferno

which is W change

[waxen totem]

its still going to be empty, it only hurt the noobs who sit around the perimeter to avoid fights. and who cares about them, they suck

[elfin fern]

why?? this doesn't affect you in any way

[devout hull]

when the player count was a bit better a month ago there were team fights in cryps and inferno in s2r

and they were fun

[astral delta]

any reason Blacksmith is updating very very slow?

[devout hull]

i also like to play s2r with my friends that are a bit new but want to learn pvp as well, now it's really not a good ground for learning the game and pvp at all, there's really no mode now that's fair to learn pvp in

[full jacinth]

I just play Squire To Riches because PvP PvE balance was better, and thus felt funner than normal Gameplay. By doing this they are basically making it Arena Lite which just feels weird.

[waxen totem]

just make s2r a small map that funnels everyone into a meat grinder + go next, that's what 95% of s2r players want and do anyway

[elfin fern]

finally someone gets it

[quick fern]

squire mode is the least balanced half the classes dont function without some gear

[fluid hill]

is the necrotic imp the first necrotic type being we've seen? could it be a hint to a new dungeon or a new level to an existing map?

[full jacinth]

@quick fern If a Class needs kit to Function then the class itself needs work. That's a fault of the game, not the game mode.

[elfin fern]

he means the balance between PvP and PvE, not balance in general. s2r was wildly unbalanced just because of the random team comps that could be made

[pliant valley]

wonder if we're getting necro in the future

[quick fern]

no getting stronger is part of the game if you could just run squire and win it would be pointless

[waxen totem]

the balance comes from everyone having the same gear. it gives no reward to CC swipers that are rampant in every other game mode

[balmy ledge]

I literally see them ALL functioning just fine EVERY DAY while playing this mode. So like, what are you actually talking about?

[quick fern]

casters cant use all their spells

rogues do no damage

barb fighter and bard are jus turbo imba with their free stats

its literally the least balanced mode

[surreal terrace]

10 spell druid needs like 30-40 mem cap for all spells

[balmy ledge]

Can't play one build off rip = not functioning. Nice logic gentleman

[full jacinth]

Yes. But if the class requires Kit to be Halfway decent at Spawn. then the class needs work done to it. The POINT of the game originally was to find gear Become stronger, fight better every round. The point of high roller was to have found good gear, BE STRONG, Find even greater gear and be challenged both by geared players and stronger challenges.

[fluid hill]

it would be pretty cool to be able to have like a ressurect mob spell. bone shield spells, some sort of aoe spell, maybe a toll of the dead spell since this game is supposed to be DnD inspired.

[pliant valley]

no it's true. If a lock can't go in with all his spells bc of squire gear, then a fighter should be lacking somewhere also. but it's not like that

[surreal arch]

Why the hell did they screw Squires To Riches?

[feral patrol]

yea a necro class would be dope

[balmy ledge]

Imagine going in with a wrong build. Are you doing that? Why would you do that? Again, one build = whole class functioning, nice logic

[quick fern]

the game is literally been balanced for high gear trios

[balmy ledge]

Literally? Link me the literature which states that.

[pliant valley]

imagine being so narcissistic to not see the imbalance

[surreal arch]

StR - Only mode where you start at same tier and gear as everyone else.
Make it so you can't leave and you are forced to stay there for quite long time.
Zone that everyone hated now deals so much dmg you can't heal through even actively healing.. so bossing if zone is in wrong place = impossible, fights when zone is moving are risky and people die to zone more than to people...
Stupid... my most beloved mode is ducked for no reason.

[balmy ledge]

I do. But it isn't a game breaker. The game works fine with the available builds in S2R, FOR ALL CLASSES. So? Now what?

[quick fern]

Dark and Darker
is primarily balanced around three-player (trio) team combat, with developers actively adjusting class abilities, perks, and GEAR SCALING for 3v3 scenarios

google is free bruh

[surreal arch]

And have to go through filter 5 times until it allows message, this Korean variation of censorship is crap.

[balmy ledge]

Bro copied an AI summary from google and thinks it's ultimate truth.

[quick fern]

bro didnt watch any dev streams

[pliant valley]

bro and bruh should be banned words too since they pretty much imply the same thing as calling someone a Bee itch in most cases

[astral delta]

Does anyone else have extremely slow update speeds with the Blacksmith client?

[elfin fern]

you must now maybe face geared roaming bosses or go to weenie hut jrs pve to make any money, according to the miserable wads in this chat

[waxen totem]

well most of them do neither of those things to make money, most of them swipe their cc

[quick fern]

you literally have to die more than half of your games to have no money

[full jacinth]

I mean from personal experience. US West lobbies are dead with maybe 6 players in a match people in all whites, or US East with full lobbies of which 3/5 ths are running full kits.

[balmy ledge]

Literally?

[elfin fern]

then that just makes us west laggy pve with better loot right?

it is as you said, the balance between PvP and PvE was "just right" in s2r before today

[surreal arch]

That is exactly what is annoying.. I do not mind switching modes...
But as long as there is no GearScore brackets.. where I in my poor ass epic-legend random gear can no longer meet some fully gemmed legend-unique squads that just 1-2tap me O.o
Squires are just most fun.. most cant 2 tap... noone has some crazy things.. even if some builds just do not work from get go..

[elfin fern]

i think these people just want to make everyone sweat for everything

the mentality seems to be "casuals should only have pve" and that's it

[full jacinth]

I mean lets just be honest here. I would rather Just have Gear Score based match making back and call it good. It was easier, and a simple solution that fits everyone.

[surreal arch]

If they are adding nuisances like zone.. or super zone like it is now -_-
And NO ESCAPE....
There should be reward.. max out loot quality, uniques drop from every boss you actually manage to kill.. or something.

[waxen totem]

they don't have the player base for gear score anymore, they have to condense down game modes

[surreal arch]

Ya sad to say have to agree with both of you 🙂

[quick fern]

precisely

[pliant valley]

this game is dead now

[livid onyx]

Why is the S2R zone a super zone?

[balmy ledge]

It ouchies you

[pliant valley]

glad i bought some shards last night for this bs to happen

[livid onyx]

Honest question I haven't seen it yet

[surreal arch]

Did you try it since they changed it?
It literally deletes you in moments.

[warm ingot]

make heals more prevlent if we are going to have to go down 3 levels too

[surreal arch]

Pots or heals? Nah bro..

[livid onyx]

What's the DPS?

[warm ingot]

pots/bandages

[elfin fern]

does like triple or quad damage from before, dont know the actual dps but its noticeably higher

[balmy ledge]

It hurts basically the exact same rate a campfire heals at.

[surreal arch]

DamagePerSecond.

[full jacinth]

Ifs its triple before then it would be 6-8 damge per sec

[livid onyx]

Like 4 damage a second?

[boreal crown]

how much gold coin chest holds?

[elfin fern]

buy more heals and for what, you can't even loot lmao. half the modules are missing and there's like 5 minutes to do anything only inside of circle

[surreal arch]

I said.. pots or heals as.. even druid heals are not fast enough.
Magic, pots, bandages.. you wont survive.

[livid onyx]

Old swarm was 1 damage a second, arenas swarm is stronger than the og swarm

[warm ingot]

not for me... idgaf i can buy whole inventory but beginners playing s2r cant always do that

[surreal arch]

Ya... you can no longer fight boss with pots on your ass to deal with him as his room is in the edge of the zone etc...

[boreal crown]

can someone tell me?

[livid onyx]

25k I think

[elfin fern]

just change squire to riches name to "meat grinder" or "unga bunga" and then delete it when it inevitably dies

[waxen totem]

the reality is most still won't go down. 95% will still battle royal and dc. those who win will dc out/expressmen then dc out, very few who do s2r actually want to do the content in castle and inferno

[surreal arch]

I think you missed point, he meant "it is waste of gold to even try to use pots as they are not strong enough"

[winged echo]

can you reroll jewelery in workshop??

[devout hull]

lol true, i think it will be in a bad state soon

[elfin fern]

ok, but if very few want to do it then why cut it? what is the problem?

we are literally fixing something that isn't broken

[surreal arch]

I want to do all but.. fighting boss when zone is not safe.. is impossible.

[balmy ledge]

"We've changed squire to riches to become less popular"
... next week ...
"We've removed squire to riches due to its low popularity"

[waxen totem]

i'm not in support of what they did if that's what you're suggesting. they should just make the map tiny and a meat grinder and give quick rewards to the victor. 95% of players want to smash into each other and go next in 2 mins. reward the winners of the battle royal and go next.

[sturdy forge]

can we remove clarities from arena

[livid onyx]

What's the issue here?

[full jacinth]

Hopefully when Next season is here. Some better changes will be made for new season update. The chanches they have are litterally the first 4 weeks of a new season. because the player base temporarily increases to 12-16k people from its usual mid to end season of 3-5k.

[sonic maple]

True

[quick fern]

rewards cant be too good or the good players will come and smash the new players

[raw frost]

Guys, is there any way to resource gather while dressing modesty

[devout hull]

you can literally just space people into swarm now and they are fucked lol

it deletes people

[surreal arch]

Literally arena.
They could do arena super tournaments.
Just 4 small arenas, each has 2 teams fighting each other, who gets to the end wins 😄

[livid onyx]

Rephrase the question?

[surreal arch]

Yap.. saw more people die to zone than to people last 2 matches

[full jacinth]

pve mode. Just slowly save up for luck gear, play bard with luck incease. use the dwarf race for faster mining

[waxen totem]

yeah, for 95% of players s2r is a white gear arena or a weekday replacement for arena

[elfin fern]

they already do that for fun and/or if the arena is closed

[raw frost]

I want to move fast and gather but I am a fighter class, I also want to not die in 1 hit

[merry sable]

@frail merlin may we have an arena specific LFG channel? Looking to help noobs boss but the lfg is jst arena spam

[devout hull]

i just fought a 3v3 and cut off the other teams escape with missile spam and they just die to swarm or run through my missiles lol

[frail merlin]

that would be an Ironmace call, but I can bring up the idea to them.

[merry sable]

if you get the chance, I think it would be helpful for the weekend boom. that way PvE enjoyers still do their thing

[livid onyx]

Yes you can play without plate armor and take sprint+ adrenaline rush for move speed

[surreal arch]

Try to bring the idea of not screwing up a patch for whole month for once xd Give us back our StR 😄

[winged echo]

is it possible to reroll stats on rings/necklace in workshop??

[merry sable]

str needed this update imho

[surreal arch]

And here my damn tree or golem is useless.

[raw frost]

Mk! I just want to have something on so im not naked with an axe lmao

[elfin fern]

squires to riches is cooked, reverse the changes

[quick fern]

play bard

[raw frost]

Im f2p

And im dedicated to fighter

[surreal arch]

1 reason that will make sense please.
StR - quick join - everyone on exactly same gear level - no over geared vs under geared.
Only difference is knowledge or.. if you forgot to buy pots as Squire is not clever enough YET (hopefully) to buy some for you.
Already zone was annoying.
Now it is even stronger blocking PvE even PvP...

[raw frost]

But i was reminded by @livid onyx that the adrenaline rush and run skill exist

Thank you very much knightlink

[devout hull]

honestly if they really want to keep s2r anything like it's current state, they should just bring back <25 norms then, should be some regular ish mode without gear for people to play

[full jacinth]

If your fighter, than take the Flag, and Sprint. The bonus attributes from flag make you interact/ mine faster, sprint will help you move faster between rooms.

[raw frost]

@full jacinth tysm

Where were you and knightlink earlier lmao

[surreal arch]

They made great start of the season, to get some players back.
Not near the 50k+ as in past.. but still it was boost compared to past 2 seasons.
And now they just went to try out more bullcrap.

[raw frost]

I was asking so many questions and noone paid any mind lmao

[surreal arch]

What questions?

O.o

[raw frost]

Mostly questions about maxing movement speed xd

[surreal arch]

If you want "near instant answer" quite often with graphs + pictures + videos.
Ask on the class specific channel 😛 sometimes you get more than you wanted 🙂

[full jacinth]

That's all I'm really lookin for Tbh, I pretty much only play after work. I don't want to have to waste time kitting up or waiting for sales in Trade to then lose the kit just because I play badly before I warm up the first few matches. I just want a level playing field that I can just enter after buying 2-3 pots and bandies and call it good.

[raw frost]

But I forgot about adrenaline rush, run, second wind, sprint, and armor weight reduce

[surreal arch]

If you asked on the Fighter channel, i'm quite sure they would love to give you all the hints and tricks you would want.

[balmy ledge]

I actually just saw the last team on ruins all die to swarm because the portals were VERY unfortunately placed in the corner module. (I escaped easily because I was rogue with double jump)

[raw frost]

The weird thing about this game is there is nothing about maps on google

[surreal arch]

Quite often people post vids of their tricks.

[raw frost]

I figured youtube has nothing on this game

[surreal arch]

There is not 10vids every day, so some guides are outdated... true that.
Still ask on class specific channel here and someone will answer, or post some clip 🙂

[full jacinth]

I mean google, yeah worthless for this game. Youtube is pretty much the only place you can find answers besides watching Twitch streams. Or you can read through patch notes religiously.

[surreal arch]

There is interactive map... but that stopped being updated when they moved to completely randomized maps..
+
It was during season when players dropped from 50k down to 20..

[devout hull]

Yup, it served a pretty good purpose, and was an ok way to learn the game (not just pve) but there's really nothing for that now

[surreal arch]

A lot of support content creators - wiki - quest hub - maps.. just stopped working on it.

Map still works, just does not show "new rooms", which is sad .. at least that you can pick to check for some mobs if you need for Q specific ones and such.

[raw frost]

I wish there was a map ping for players

Or was that the interactive map

[balmy ledge]

I wish teammates were on the map. But no, that would be too cool for this dev team.

[livid onyx]

Sheesh I'm in the camp of removing name tags for high roller again, let there be chaos

[raw frost]

@surreal arch I thought it was that

[surreal arch]

Ya..

[full jacinth]

I mean I understand why not. It's because your supposed to move and coordinate as a unit. Good for Pre-mades but bad for randoms because Typically at least in my experience. half the time your randoming with rogues or barbs that sprint to mid and die, or let the team die because they are jus there to scavenge gear at the end of round when others dive down and don't contribute to the gameplay. Or I've run into players that will bait their teammates into killing them to just get players banned by trolling the report system.

All my friends quit so I pretty much run into these folks all the time.

[dusk meteor]

How do I change my class discussion?

[raw frost]

I got this one giys

[coarse sequoia]

man, why are these repeat cheaters never banned?

[surreal arch]

To be fair.. at least we see names above our teammates 😄
When they removed that... I stopped playing for quite a bit... it was just unplayable.

[raw frost]

Ill tell chip how

[raw frost]

Look at bottom right of screen

While you are in the main area

[coarse sequoia]

love being hit by a morning star from a cheating cleric from a solid 15 feet away

[raw frost]

I believe its called "lobby"

The lobby area

[raw frost]

The thor of holyness

[frail merlin]

id:customize

[full jacinth]

Because they have to have a case built against them typically, or so many instances of them being caught with proof. thing is not everyone runs recording devices to do the offical report. I don't either because then i have to delete excess footage and go thru a tone of footage just for one guy when i could just be playing the game.

[raw frost]

I dont play pvp, but use medal

Medal puts most recent clips on top

And you can clip the last 30 seconds

It helps alot

[coarse sequoia]

just annoying, seen this dude a dozen times, every time sketchy shit. ran into twice just now, this one was ranged hack, previous he just walked through a closed door like it wasnt there

[dusk meteor]

Dang I can’t find it. Might be because I’m on mobile

[raw frost]

Oh u mean discord

[coarse sequoia]

can only see it so many times and it just starts to get to be too much

[raw frost]

I was talking about in game class change

[surreal arch]

If game had something of sort like.. World of Tanks? Every game is clipped in small file.. you could just report and send that file automatically in game, no need to make video - get to discord - fill the dumb bot with info and liks...

[dusk meteor]

Yea on disc for class discussion

[balmy ledge]

So we're supposed to move and coordinate as a unit, like you said. But then they hide information that enables that. Makes a lot of sense.

[hasty stirrup]

tf iss thiss doodoo patch

[frail merlin]

on mobile, if you look at the top left hand side of the discord (next your dms, you should see id:customize ) if this is what youre meaning.

[surreal arch]

To be fair... if you use VOIP and you actually can see their names even behind walls, that is generally 99% of times enough.
Could be on minimap.. but I do not think it is that big of a deal compared to what else is happening 😄

[night nova]

lmfao

[hasty stirrup]

why is shsield mastery getting shat on

[full jacinth]

Trust me I get it. But honestly I play on a pretty much outdated computer. I don't have the leeway to save for upgrades when I have more important things to worry about. Running medal sometimes makes me drop frames and slows down my computer. So I don't use it typically. Plus my games are on an External Storage drive, same with D.A.D I just don't have the read/write speed to run both the game and have medal writing video into storage.

[balmy ledge]

QoL is always a big deal. Thinking it's not is why games get too little too late.

[surreal arch]

I mean this game was supposed to be kinda hardcore-ish.
It has its weak points, but that one.. never thought about it as major flaw.
You can see names, you can hear them.
If you can see them on minimap and hear steps from behind you, you do not even look, while if you cant see them on minimap and hear steps, you actually turn to check if it is a rogue or friendly.
Well..

[full jacinth]

I mean Trust me I get it. but if you are working together you should never be more than 1.75 rooms apart from your team. You can see Teammates names at almost 2 rooms away. Also adding that information to the map would give hackers another easier avenue of access. As wallhacking is a serious problem in higher tier lobbies.

[brazen perch]

are the severs fucked?

[balmy ledge]

That hacker argument is just piss poor. ESP would already give them full detail of location and orientation.

As the person above stated, even if your team is close, you can't tell the sound of feet apart for enemies and friendlies. Why force comms or diverted attention to determine that when it could be on the minimap?

Oh because it's a hardcore game? Then why even have a minimap if it's so hardcore?

[raw frost]

Lmao

[raw frost]

Best sentence + pfp combo ever

[full jacinth]

lol

[full jacinth]

Fair nough. Maybe just remove the minimap.

[surreal arch]

Really.. out of all the problems game has.
With current patch or problems in general...
After 1,4k hours I just do not care at all about minimap.
The fact now we can see ress points and do not need to remember whole map or have interactive map on the second monitor is nice..
As that requires really remembering each damn room and such.
But seeing people on minimap, today it is see friendlies, next "why cant I see enemies too, that would also be QoL" for some.
Not seeing even names at all is one thing.. that just turns game into unplayable mess without dedicated team you know, so no random teams.
I would focus on.. gameplay more a bit.
Problem is.. maybe more than half of the problems could be solved easily, if there was enough people playing...
Like by some mentioned gs brackets..
Now we just lack numbers to get such fixes.
But why do they "fix what does not need fixing" is the question 😄
Did people cry for change in StR?
Outside of getting Water map 10times in row?

[balmy ledge]

"My complaints need to take center stage, and nothing else" ahh ego

As if we can't talk about multiple issues at once.

[surreal arch]

"What makes players stay -old or new."
Will seeing players on minimap gain people or keep them in game?
Will changing popular game mode keep or lose players? - yes, there will be change.

Sure, I do not take it from you.
I dont mind if they add it, but I really do not see that as issue that would change anything.

[frank marsh]

try grinding arena solo with 4 days open is a f joke lol

[full jacinth]

I stay just because the gameplay feels unique to itself tbh. reminds me of Morrowind or Oblivion gameplay from way back when. Also the fact that there aren't many similar games to fill the niche this one feels.

[balmy ledge]

Both will help. Let's also consider the effort:reward ratio. How hard to do think it is to implement minimap things? (it's pretty simple by comparison)

I can point you to some unreal tutorials on this showing how simple it is, if you must know.

If you think this can't get fit into any patch just as effortlessly as some of the meaningless balance adjustments they've made, then I don't know what to tell you.

[fathom dock]

would a chest get me a decent pulverizing prayer

[full jacinth]

but after 1.4k hours it's hard to stay excited for the game when it feels like they change it, but don't play it. or have enough dedicated play testers playing it.

[surreal arch]

Fixing or updating squire would do way more for people than adding 2 dots on minimap.
That alone should take even less work I would expect..
Or Auction house adding ability to select how much attributes you want on the item 🤷‍♂️
That gets me from game to game faster with less wasted time in the lobby.

[balmy ledge]

No shit. So now it means we can't do both? Because they can. What is your point right now?

[surreal arch]

That they took 3 years to fucking add an Altar on minimap, so I would rather get them to change something better 😄

Instead of waiting 3 decades after they finish creating nice markers for players, cause they will do it 😄

The dots will look beautifull but will take them probably couple of years each.

If they said that the team is 2 dudes in the cellar I would believe them.